The FORBIDDEN Force Ability ONLY Jedi Sentinels Were Allowed to Use
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Sentinels IMO are what an ideal Jedi is. They strike a balance between combatants and scholars while broadening their horizons and interacting more frequently with the galaxy’s population.
Agreed. When ever I play a Jedi game, I usually go for Sentinel.
@@CameronHuff - I'm writing a Sentinel Jedi character right now, and I
Imagine how unstoppable you could be if you were able to use both the dark and the light side effectively without fully commiting to either.
@@toastiesburned9929 - Generally we refer to those as Grey Jedi.
@@tearstoneactual9773 just that even grey jedi can only tap in both sides. The ancient Jedaii where able to use and master both fully, but no grey Jedi has ever been able to gain that level of power since the Jedaii broke apart into the Jedi and Sith 25.000 years ago.
The Jedi shadows sound like a good series, book and live action.
Yes, I feel the same way. Why are we not following their stories???
This is how they're classed in Star Wars: The Old Republic. Jedi Consulars can either be Jedi shadows, or Jedi Sages. Sage uses the force for attacking. Shadows can cloak, and pull sneaky attacks. On the imperial side its the same but instead of consular, they're called inquisitor. Inquisitor can either be a Sith Assassin, or a Sith Sorcerer. They're the coolest classes in the game to me. & The story behind it makes it all that more better. But theres a way you can explore a story based on any of the classes of force users just playing that game. Edit: Also the character they chose to use as the cannon main character is the sentinel. So for full immersion into legends lore, id follow the sentinel storyline. Theres playthroughs if you wanna see all of it. Including dlc and whatnot.
@@_ybabruh My primary toon for SWTOR is a Jedi Shadow as a tank role.
@@valenrn8657 Nice. Glad to know that too. I only started playing a little over a year ago, and i played thru the shadow to begin the game. I ran a tank spec first since it had a simple learning curve and survivability. Wasn't until after i finished that i noticed how many people were unwilling to do the story because it was the "worst". Sure it wasn't action packed but i love stories about healers and sage-like figures. Now i have 2 shadows i play on dps , ones stil lvl 50 (taking it slow) and an assassin as well. Made a sage between time and i love it. I main a Sorc, so its nice having its mirror on the light side. All together, consulars and inquisitors are my favorite.
@@_ybabruh ye my main jedi knight is a female miraluka combat sentinel, you know when you make a character and it feels just right
It's funny knowing now one of the sentinels duties in basic terms is to seek out the sith and put them down before things escalate so that means when it came to Palpatine the sentinels really, really and I do mean really drop the ball with that one.
I mean they were never really good at the job with the rule of 2 Sith running around the galaxy for years without the sentinels knowing
While this would seem to be the case, it could also be pointed out that the Jedi order generally did not like the Sentinels and underutilized them. So, they would more often than not be relegated to guard duty, or not placed on missions where their skills are actually useful, as long as the council was involved. Thus, they rarely got a chance to hone their skills, and were therefore not effective. If you don't use it, you lose it. So, the sentinels are a concept that would seem to come with extreme effectiveness, but if they were rarely used to capacity, they are basically functioning with their hands tied behind their backs.
Well they're basically the brute meatheads so it makes sense. Lol.
@@killermouse01 would you send me examples how the Jedi order didn't like sentinels? I support the idea that my favorite Jedi class (sentinel/shadow) were under appreciated or relatively looked down upon by the typical counselor or guardian, but I would like a list of examples on how or why, or at least lead me to where I should look.
I like to add Palpatines massiv plot armor to the discussion. Not to mention that much of the star wars lore was added later on. A lot of people tend to straight up ignore or foregt this fact.
There is also force crush, that is lightside when used on droids and magically turns darkside when used on fleshy things!
Example being that one Dark Trooper that Luke used it on in the Mandalorian season finale.
Ironically some droids are just as alive
@@leafboye33 The thing in Star Wars is that true sentience in Droids in Star Wars is rare as it develops over time-based upon the Droid's experiences as it develops. Droids like Artoo and Threepio are rare in that they are almost never memory wiped. In fact, As far as I know from the novels and movies, Threepio has only been mindwiped once when Bail Organa took custody of him to prevent the blabbermouth from divulging anything about Leia's relation to Padme to anyone listening. Artoo has never been mindwiped. This makes the two some of the only droids out there to pass whatever threshold defines sentience in the Star Wars universe. Among other fully sentient droids in Star Wars history I can recall are HK-47 and IG-88.
It isn't force crush when used on droids it's force compress
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Plus Sentinels have by far the coolest lightsabers. Yellow
It's funny, yellow is one of my least favorite colors but damn does it look great on a lightsaber
Anakin: *chokes Padme*
Padme: Oh yes, harder
Anakin: Um, you realize we're on Mustafar and Obi-wan is watching?
Padme: let him watch, it'll be even hotter!
Anakin: TF?!
Anakin: Aight, Snips, you're in too.
@@jeremiahkivi4256 she wasn't around, but I'm sure someone can make a fan fic where she's there.
@@Frodo_Shaggins it's a joke. Though I gotta say, Ahsoka is definitely the better looking of the two, but then again, I might be a bit of a Captain Kirk in that regard. It's like a universe full of Pokemon, if the Pokemon were hot humanoid aliens. Especially the Togruta and the Twi'leks. I think old man George might have had an alien fetish.
And that's when Anakin surrendered to obi wan and the both killed palpatine
My one problem with all this is that we hardly ever see the Sentinels doing anything, despite the lore like this implying them being in the forefront of the battle with the Darksiders.
Actually I think by the time of the prequels they had been in a long state of decline most of them were posted to watch over specific planets, guard the Temple, do some support work for the Order. The Jedi shadows were one that sought out Darksiders and they were never many of them probably only a handful at any given time
When your paper is due tomorrow and you are trying to make the minimum word length you end up with the script like this video
Huge build up and crappy release you knew was coming? Been there , done that
That's LITERALLY this entire channel. Filler, loop backs, rewording, etc
You know for a group of Jedi's so mysterious, powerful, and connected to the force, why are we not following their stories??? These people should have been the ones to confront Maul and Palpatine. Really feeling like these were missed opportunities.
To be fair, they wouldn't be mysterious anymore if the story focused mostly on them, but I get your point
Cause all the lore is tacked on to the movies
Both cases make a fair point.
Palpatine was just too good at that force shrouding trick. Literally none of the Jedi had the faintest clue despite meeting him face to face on several occasions. These shadows where probably out searching the fringes (or just tied up with the whole war business), not the Jedi temple and senate chambers. No one suspected him until he choose to reveal himself and after that they didn't waste any time summoning a Sith hunter squad. Mace literally just grabbed any master he could reach at a minutes notice and ran directly to confront the threat without delay. A mistake perhaps, but he knew Palpatine knew that they knew so he could not afford to delay. He must have known plans against them where in motion, even if he didn't realize just how screwed the order was at this point.
@@Sherool i feel that makes some sence and once vader was turned he started hunting the rest with his inquisitors
Hmmmmm... I wonder if the failure of these “shadows” will be used in canon to explain the inquisitors.. as in, the majority of the inquisitors were Jedi Shadows that actually successfully tracked down Sidius, but were then defeated, tortured, and eventually turned to the dark side... Seems plausible to me...
They had a list of people who were possibly Sith. They got fooled by Palatine, but they always had their eye on Darth Jar Jar
May the Force be with you all, always.
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The Jedi Sentinels have Force Chock because they gain Force upgrade points more often in KOTOR.
The fact that when you really think about it in detail makes a lot of sense why it’s forbidden to the Jedi. The force push compared to the force pull definitely shows in itself during a fight, were force pull is super aggressive, leading for a kill with ambition, where the force push is more to defend your allies or yourself to stabilize the situation of the fight
Powerful the sentinels are.
Indeed.
@@JEDI_MASTER_OBI-WAN_KENOBI hello there..
They failed for a thousand years
@@cameroncruz7875 they were smart and there intelligence is powerful not all powerfulness is moving rocks and force power you know.
@@Bejej that’s not what he means, The rule of 2 sith were in the shadows for years and the sentinels didn’t know or do anything
Disney should make a series on Jedi sentinels like they did with the mandalorian
Force choke is an interrogation tactic, they can use it because they don't use choking as a murderous intent. More so, they use the method to where the victim is completely unaware they're being choked as to weaken them for a killing blow much easier should they have to.
I just have to ask the question. Were there any Jedi sentinels that were protecting the temple in ROTS? If so, I'd love to have seen the footage showing their showdown with Vader.
it would be nice if this gets depicted or mentioned in The Bad Batch.
I think the Grand Inquisitor killed them all before Anakin and the 501st marched on the Temple
@@LateNightBoba I'm still intrigued to know who rescued Grogu, and how and when.
There were, but they were either killed or joined the empire. There were a couple that escaped tho
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 some people say that Anakin didn’t actually kill the younglings that were hiding, but idk about that
Sentinels were critically under utilized by the jedi order and that was one of the jedi council biggest mistakes of many
Main job. Never let the sith come back..
Nice job fellas 🤙
The force choke always seemed like Force 101 shit, really elementary.
so although Anakin turned to the dark side, he was a Jedi sentinel as he seemed to master computers and worked to assemble/figure out how best things would work
I don't think so,since he mostly uses his lightsaber and he didn't hone his force abilities.Being a sentinel also means mastering lightsaber duel and force abilities.Anakin mostly used his raw power instead of training it intensively.
@@nadiahapsari3359 i think if were a Jedi id probably be a Sentinel, I love military equipment but yet id probably rather use the force to do things, like where yoda used the force to pull his lightsaber off its clip to fight dooku instead of just grabbing it? That would probably be how I'd do it lol. So I wonder which class id fall under? 🤔
Jedi: You can slice people to pieces or impale them with this plasma temperature energy sword.
Also the Jedi: Choking people and electrocuting them with the force is evil.
This was a favorite of Anakin an i wonder if Anakin had decided to be a Sentinel instead of basically a Jedi Soldier/Warrior if he'd have chosen THAT path if he'd have to struggle an hide using it much as he did? An if he'd been one of these if he'd walked such a fine line an still fallen KNOWING in such a scenario if he'd elected to arrest or even felt he had to skewer Palpatine an others that were clearly on the Darkside if anyone had much cared if he'd been a Shadow???
Though when he offed Dooku he felt conflicted an Kenobi didnt even care probably thinking he'd had too for some reason.
didn't Anakin use the force choke thousands of times? (before he fell)
Yeah idk if he ever got the memo that jedi weren't supposed to do that
Yeah that's probably part why the Council didn't trust him
@@Doritochi i guess. its make them dont trust him that much. they say hes d chosen one but they treat him like a fool haha
@@darthvectivus1782 Well Quigon said he was the chosen one and they brought him in out of respect for his death.
Most of the jedi council didn't believe that he was and didn't want him to be a jedi in the first place.
This was one of your better videos. With s lot of details and info to backup. Good one! 👍
I fell in love with the Sentinels after being introduced to Celeste Mourne---one of the most beautifully tragic stories of ENDURANCE in anyJedi lore. (Of course, Master Fey's is also a BRILLIANT story---having never used her light saber for over 2 centuries?!)
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Cant get enough jedi sentinel/ temple guard content!
So then who would win in a lightsaber duel; a guardian who fought during the clone wars and honed their lightsaber skills fighting many battles against the CIS or a shadow who actively sought out and most likely battled dark side adepts(if not stronger)?
I suppose there is no clear answer to that. It's like in the example (from KotOR): A Guardian would blast through a door and thus most spectacular announce himself while a Sentinel would pick the lock (silently) and thus keeping the momentum of surprise. So, I'd probably say that if you want to take down a single Sith with no urgency, Sentinels had the advantage because they could strike when the Sith is completely off-guard. If, on the other hand, you need to get the job done very quickly or face superior numbers, Guardians are more suitable.
I personally believe that if I was a Jedi, I would take the Jedi Temple guard path or Sentinels... I'm the protector of my brethren and of the sacred Temple and its artifacts... plus I love the yellow lightsaber, favorite color next to purple, green and white.
I would be a sith 😂😂😂😂 they sleep with whoever they want. U can’t tell me I can’t get any pussy and think I’m going to be okay with it
Probably closer to my own life path, out in the world fixing problems, fixing things, building things, etc. But then again there weren't exactly a lot of organized Jedi Temple options out there either. :) (In universe I don't really tend to think your lightsaber has much to do with *favorite colors,* though presumably you'd like your own lightsaber since it resonates with you in the Force. :)
@@OllamhDrab again not being able to have any women is enough for me not to want to do something 😂. I like women too much to give them up. I can learn to let someone go but that’s about it 😂
@@sethswint1396 respectable i think
I have never been sith nor jedi, and i continue to not be. I continue to adventure and explore to find answers in the world. I choose to forge my own path devoid of any particular specific philosophies besides vague ones of my own. I am not a gray jedi, i am not a sith, or jedi. In the end there is no correct path as far as I can tell, so i would wish all my fellow force users the best in all their different diverse views of the force, the night sisters, the jedi, the sith, those who view the original ashla and bogan. I have only interest in learning about our universe, i have no interest in debating which ones are right. Only in the many possibilities and potentials of all the different views. Such is the beauty of star wars to me.
They were the watchmen... living in secret, helping those around them as they can in a kind of long-term mission.
Someone probably already mentioned this, but Luke used force choke on the guards in Jaba's palace. And that was just a slight movement of his hand. And how is this technique and different than lifting an opponent and slamming them into a mountain at 70 plus mph or so? Or playing with an individual's free will with the mind trick. OR ... Simply beheading an opponent in battle, or a kill thrust with that plasma saber that would begin to boil the insides of an enemy before they died a moment later? And it goes on and on. The weapon is merely a tool, be it the Force or the Saber or a handgun. It only does what it's user requires it to do. And so on
I'm a member of the Jedi High Council and just got assigned my Mandalorian Jedi Padawan.
It all depends on how it's used. If you use it in emotion, or to intimidate or belittle, obviously you are using your anger to commit it. Though if it was used as a utility or a means to incapacitate safely, you wouldn't be using it from a place of darkness.
as always the more you tighten your grip on something, the more aggressively it will squeeze through the gaps of your fingers
Uses Force Choke, evil bad Jedi....Drops a rock on his head crushing his skull! Nice move bro.
We NEED a Jedi Shadow video game. Could you imagine? Lock picking, hacking, yellow lightsaber, force choke, stealth missions, etc… I think it would be a masterpiece
Best Jedi Practice has to be Battle meditation
Ya know this topic would be a great live action series!
So if the sentinels were throughout the galaxy, then some must have survived the purge, unless it was orchestrated. But sentinels would have seen the clones murderous intent and could have used force choke to get away at least.
Disappearing was something Jedi were good at. They might not even have had to kill them. Just make them pass out.
This is an idea, Many of the Jedi died because they were friends with the clones. At least this is my observation.
I love Star Wars, but tell Disney to stop being the Emperor's pawns. They have fallen to the dark side, and are having problems with reallity.
I'd love to get an explanation, ideally in canon, but the expanded universe is good too, on how it was that the Shadows didn't kill Palpatine long before he was really dangerous; and, if there are any stories of the Shadows attempting to undermine Plageus/Tyranus/Sidious' rise to power; or even Sidious & Vader in the Galactic Empire - complicated of course by the Jedi Purge... it just seems odd that the Shadows didn't go after Sidieous and Plageus, especially since Palpatine displayed Sith themes and artefacts in his chambers, publicly mocking the Jedi.
I'd guess it's a combination of three factors:
A) The Jedi as a whole - when compared to the number of worlds and number of beings in the Republic - were just way too few. So simply the chances that Palpatine would have crossed paths with a Sentinel (a small faction of the small group of Jedi) early enough in his training were ridiciously small.
B) AFAIK, Palpatine had mastered the ability to mask his strength in the Force. Remember, he sat on a couple of occasions with even Yoda in a room and the later didn't notice it.
C) Simply a legal/ political reason: After Palpatine had risen to political power, they couldn't act against him legally just on mere suspicion. Yes, he had those statues in his office and maybe they might derive from that the fact he could be someone worshipping Sith philosophy ... but that was entirely legal. Besides, again, see A): Was a Sentinel ever in his office to even notice that?
If anything, Palpatine was just as good or probably even better than any Sentinel at this sort of game of cloaks and daggers.
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In all reality Force choke, though more grotesque in appearance, could be more benign than cutting someone down with a light saber. Force choke could be used to subdue someone and knock them out without killing. Cutting from a light saber is either permanent damage or lethal.
Can force choke/ grip be used on like hand or a limb, I mean we saw maul pull a clone troopers arm when the door closed, why don't Jedi just use it like a telekinetic hook? Or even a tether.
"jedi allowed to use force choke" excuse me what?
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I kinda wish i know where you got this data from. I love sentinels and would really look to look into anything i can about them
All those fancy titles and abilities - destroyed people with numbers for names, standard issue blasters, and basic military tactics.
It makes sense that it should be used. In all honesty, in a fight, you can only fight if you can breath. Thats why cardio and and physical endurance are so important, even in the real world. It's crucial for soldiers and swordsmen alike. So... If you can choke them out thats not inherently evil or even angry. Its just... Tactical
Gonna need some citations on this information.
So, when Yoda rolled into the emperor's office in EP 3, what did he use on those guards? "Snap neck"?
They weren't around to apprehend the Chancellor.
I would love to see the jedi use green yellow white and blue lightsabers and the sith use red purple and black lightsabers
he forgot about when luke used it in rotj to rescue han
Love the references to kotor
1:10 nice KOTOR reference buddy, fuckin love your channel.
Do I look enough like a Clone Trooper? Considering a no-helmet cosplay. 🤣
It's because Force choke is like Force Push but is more condensed to a more refined to the neck area so
Best SW channel x
Yis another great vid
Sounds like the Sentinels were abolished by the Jedi High Council some time prior to TPM.
By TPM, the Jedi had all but lost their ability to see the future and seem to have fallen back to the security of the temple.
During this time, combat training suffered greatly- as evidenced by the slaughter of many overconfident Jedi in the Geonosis arena as well as the awful tactics used the following battle (charge straight into the robot army's gunfire!).
There is nothing inherently evil about using the force to obturate a foe’s breathing. Rendering ab opponent unconscious by asphyxiation is certainly less destructive than slicing off a limb or impaling them with a plasma blade.
I feel as if Obi-Wan adapted out of his Role of a Supreme Jedi Guardian, High Jedi Council Master...very easily into a Sentinel. I feel as if Qui-Gon was a blend more towards Sentinel, but a true genius in the living force...Which gave him an invitation to the table and a seat on the Council if he ever said yes.
Hmmm, well I would have to conclude... 🧐 That they really dropped the ball on that one man!!! I mean Jeeesus.... 😆
Huh, that’s unusual. I figured it was heavily frowned upon plus I would keep in mind the repulse technique as it can counter it.
I kinda view choke as a neutral ability. You can easily use it without hate or malicious intent and could use a non lethal version of it just to subdue your opponent. I think Kyle ketarn (however its spelled) philosophy is pretty good "a force power is not evil, but its how you use it"
Can you make a video about the mind trick: Force Fear or Force Insanity. Does it requires train to do that technique or based on the force Sensitive person’s fear and angry
Jedi Shadow is my class of choice in Star Wars the Old Republic
I would love to see a video about the Jedi Shadows during the time of the return of the Sith
Basically a jedi inquisitor in some aspects.
Interesting. I never even knew that Jedi used this
I wonder if the (Shadow Jedi) might of had any offsprings?
I also wonder if a person who has mastered both sides of the forces, that has figured out a way to bring proper balance to the force; If that person might have the ability to use the (Force Choke) power ability amazingly great with barley any problems in handling it?
A tie fighter's laser fire be red and purple
see the funny thing of the whole dark side and light side when it comes to skills their are a few jedi that have use lightning without being angry or hatting their target
It's dumb that they get to use it but not us but good explanation.
Awesome
We need to see sentinels active during TCW and maybe around the time the bad batch takes place. Just sentinels hunting sith and slaughtering inquisitiors along the way.
I haven't watched this yet but I am willing to bet by the time the vid is done I will still not know what this "ABILITY" is. ok here we go!
Well I just watch the video and the ability the Jedi sentinels were allowed to use was force choke so maybe next time you should watch the video before you criticize it.
What is the name of the character on the miniature? Or in case of being a fanmade, wich specie is that elven-like? I wanted use it as inspiration for a dnd game-like character, but in Star Wars Universe
They did a wonderful job preventing the return of the Sith and detecting any attempts thereof.
Makes me want to watch the episode of clone wars again where Anakin and Plo Koon go to rescue Asoka.
Quick question if the Jedi shadows were like special forces or whatever what happend to them after order 66. It’s unlikely most of them were within clone killing ranges so what happens to them?
The space elf jedi on the thumbnail looks shed be doing a Ahego face at comic con
I wonder if a force user ever accidentally killed itself by force chocking while geting off.
And a stormtrooper's laser fire be red and purple
It would appear that the Jedi Sentinels were a lot like Luke Skywalker's Jedi Knight in the new Jedi order post-ROTJ era in Star Wars Legends.
I agree that force choke shouldn’t be off limits for just the Jedi shadow/sentinel class lest they become vulnerable to it!
Sentinel is what I gravitate towards. But in Knights of the Old Republic it was a scout/consular that became my build. Sentinels are the hardy kind of build. But Scout is the hardy regular build. Sentinels are wordly jack of all trades but also good at resisting force powers and poison. They're good at Jedi bindu. But they are abit boring as far as KoTOR goes.
I thought it would be mechu deru or something. Interesting.
Who were these shadow Jedi and where were they in the movies and books we bought ? Why did we hear of them before ?
should count duku have been a sentinal seems it would have fit him well?
A x wing's laser fire be green yellow white and blue
i think if were a Jedi id probably want be a Sentinel, I love military equipment but yet id probably rather use the force to do things, like where yoda used the force to pull his lightsaber off its clip to fight dooku instead of just grabbing it? That would probably be how I'd do it lol. So I wonder which class id fall under? 🤔
Where do we get the jedi shadows from in a canon sense? I know they're in the old republic game, but i'm not sure if that still holds as canon or not.
Were there any known Jedi that were the Shadows
I guess that means Qui-Gon is really a Jedi Guardian?
He didn’t knock in the Phantom Menace.
"... and then there is the less rare of the three..." . . . so, the more common...
Sorry, just felt the need to point that out... must be the Dark Side reaching out to me.
I think he forgot guardians were the ones with the blue lightsabers, not the yellow ones.
The Sentinels are definitely the coolest looking Jedi
1:59 before the ability is mentioned
What about the Force Got-Your-Nose ?
I meen I always thought what if you used force lightning on a Droid would that be acceptable would basically be a advanced version of ionize and wouldn't that be okay cuz ionize is "electricity" but not out of "anger"