HD FPV: Why DJI ARE the bad guys
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This is a bit of a different video for me. It's not really a tutorial or review. But more just passing along some information to dispel some mistruths that are going around. In particular, this video comes as a result of seeing some of the comment's in Mads Tech's (@MadRC) video "DJI Goggles 2 & O3 FPV Do Not Buy - They Just Don't Care" ( • DJI Goggles 2 & O3 FPV... ). In this video, Ian makes a lot of harsh, but fair comments about DJI, and this whole mess with their firmware.
One guys' comments in particular caught my eye, stating: "INAV devs CAN fix this, but they are stubborn and just won't bother. Why not blame the INAV devs?" and "Yeah, INAV devs can fix this, but they want drama in the community." Other than the INAV developers and community being the least likely to cause "drama". The INAV community is genuinely one of the most helpful I've been involved with. It is showing that some people don't actually know what's going on here.
The INAV devs did a lot of work to get even a basic level of OSD for O3 pilots. Something that they should not have even needed to do, if DJI had done things properly.
Hopefully this video will go some way to show exactly what the problem is. Why it is 100% DJIs fault, how INAV devs are actually going above and beyond to support O3 pilots, and why the font is so important. TL;DR, it isn't just about the characters looking different!
✈️ Contents ✈️
00:00 Introduction
01:46 All about MSP DisplayPort and why this isn't the problem
04:43 The differences between the font sets
05:21 Comparing with BetaFlight's base font
06:20 Comparing with ArduPilot and INAV
08:30 Is INAV just causing drama?
09:14 What is the real fix, and why DJI are the only people who can do it
09:53 Why you shouldn't by DJI!
11:03 Why don't BetaFlight pilots understand the issue fully?
12:30 Conclusion
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Very informative and well said. For a lot of people the OSD information / feedback is a big part of the flying experience of their wings, planes, long range quads, cars and boats. The lack of proper DJI OSD support made me decide to buy a system with proper OSD support. We are lucky that DJI is not the dictator in this market and we have a free choice.
Well said. I just feel sorry for the O3 customers, who were promised a full OSD. Then were let down with the same level as in their original FPV system.
Amen to that
Good to see you make a video about this frustrating issue Darren. Hopefully more honest youtubers (non Dji agents) start calling out their BS too
Thanks. Yeah, unfortunately DJI have gotten away with stuff like this for years. It’s about time they actually did things properly and listened to the community. The thing with just letting it go all the time is that DJI won’t stop doing exactly what they’re doing now. The OSD on O3 was exactly the same situation as the original system. If they had paid notice and seen what WTF had done. They should have worked to make the O3 system work at least as well as WTF. They didn’t. They just repeated what they did before.
@@MrD the dji business model is:
1. Sell them something, promise updates on the way
2. Ditch the product, stop firmware updates and support
3. Go back to step 1.
Sounds about right to me.
You sir, in the first minute of this video, nailed it. This is *exactly* my point why I don't support DJI.
Thank you. Maybe one day they’ll learn. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
Darren comes out with Gloves on ready for action😂😂😂well done my friend,a new side we see of you.👍
Thanks Mark. It just annoys me that DJI are still refusing to give pilots who have paid a lot of money for their system, a fully working system. They need to sort it out, or people should go elsewhere. They've taken the piss for far too long!
Fully agree, thanks for the detailed inside regarding the route cause of this issue, OSD is an issue but I didn't buy DJI since it would cost me around 1000£ for the goggles for me and my 6 years old son, I'm using walksnail vtx and a splitter, not ideal with cables dangling from the goggles but is around 700£ cheaper. Many thanks
You both get to enjoy the HD experience. Walksnail are listening to the community too. Which means the products will only get better.
@@MrD since you mention... I'm still waiting for an HD system that will send audio to the VRX/goggles, hopefully, walksnail will be that system.
It had been requested. I think the issue is bandwidth. But Walksnail are aware.
Spot on Darren, the developers at Inav and WTFOS are propping the likes of Dji up and doing all their dirty work for them. Nicely said. 👍
Thanks Terry. Yeah, WTF really showed DJI how it should be done. It’s a shame they paid no attention or just ignored it.
Great info and I totally agree with you. I stopped using DJI O3 and started stocking up with the Walksnail HD system.
I think long term, this will be a good choice. Walksnail are listening to the community, the hardware is as good as O3, the future is looking positive.
Great video Darren. Well done explaining the differences.
Thanks mate. Hopefully one day DJI will have the ability to use Sneaky fonts 👍🏻
Wow, I really appreciate the effort in making the video and the dignified but firm way the message got across. I am happy with the Goggles V2 after the WTF upgrade. I use a lot of useful data like wind direction and more. The fonts are small and pleasant and in color!!! I purchased the Goggles 2, and I am so disappointed that I don't fly with them anymore and am looking to sell them. Many of the fonts are missing. The fonts are big and ugly. Crazy contrast between the delicate and sophisticated design of the goggles and what you see inside them. As of today, I'm back to the old goggles and no one at my club even thinks of buying the new ones, after seeing the picture in my goggles. Thanks Mr. D, hope you make a difference...
I’m glad you’re getting to enjoy your DJI system, thanks to WTF. It’s just a pity that DJI doesn’t provide that level of functionality from the factory. Which is really the whole point of the video. It should be better for DJI pilots.
Great Video... I really appreciate the fact you're taking the time to share this!! I'm honestly sorry I didn't have such a large investment on dji... sad but true!!
I'm just happy I get to wake up each day and feel the sunshine on my face. Anything else I get, well is extra toppings on my ice cream! I do enjoy the entertainment about DJI. Just unboxed 3 new O3's 5 minutes ago after getting home from another day of self employment! I hate DJI! Maybe they will come around some day and give us what we want and stop coming out with another action camera.
I hope they do bring out some updates to resolve your disappointments JD.
Yeah.. I'm using vista ,o3 with google 2, and inav, very frustrating, I have to remember what osd in my feed, what kind , and what fuction on it when they appears (??) Mark, sometimes dissappear too, I'm thinking about WS,,,,
Loved the closing statement. No holding back!!
I think it’s harsh, but fair 😁
There was always something that bothered me about DJI, even when I put on my buddies goggles; something i didnt really like, and thanks for putting it into a video! because its exactly what is wrong with dji.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching 👍🏻
They are more willing to develop photography/filming/industry products, and they are so good at it. FPV market in China is tiny compares to the camera market.
This isn’t really the point. The point is that they are making an FPV product. So it should work properly. As it stands, they aren’t meeting their own advertised functionality. They say it works with “Canvas Mode”. This misnomer is MSP DisplayPort. Which is not fully working.
Very well said, and as usual, explained in a very understandable form!!
Thank you. I’m glad it came across as fair, and not just having a go. The point was to highlight the problems as they actually are.
Nice explanation of the situation Darren.
Thanks mate. Hope I didn’t come off as too much of an asshole.
But DJI are the leader and everyone else should conform to the standards *they* set. 😛(removes tongue from cheek) ha ha ha !
Analog for the win!
You’re right Bruce. I don’t know what I was thinking. I guess I should just ignore that they don’t meet the specs they set out, by saying they support “Canvas Mode” 😉
Thanks for watching Sir 👍🏻
I’m still with HDZero - would possibly have moved to DJI but for the INAV font issue- unfortunately they are probably too big an organisation to care about ‘niche users’
I really don’t get the niche users argument. People are using that a lot. But, DJI chose to make the FPV system. Nowhere in any of their product pages or specs does it state it’s only for BetaFlight or only for quads. It is a limitation that the community are kind of granting DJI, to let them off the hook. All they state is that “Canvas Mode” is available. This is MSP DisplayPort. Which is a cross platform API, and DJI aren’t supporting it fully.
Not to mention that dji change their product range more than some people change their undies...their product lifespan is woeful
Even worse because the new products are hardly ever backwards compatible. For example you can use the new Mini 3 Pro controller with the Mini 2 as an upgrade. The batteries aren’t the same either.
I use googles2 with og air unit, the ? symbols don'nt make me happy but I can live with them. Hope fix or solution will come soon, but if not, I still will be a happy Inav user.
I really hope they fix it for you. They are letting down their customers. This is what annoys me. Happy flying 👍🏻
Very good video Darren.
Thanks JD 👍🏻
I don't like DJI for 2 reasons. First, they don't listen to their customers. Second, they are trying to monopolize the industry by getting a foot in the door with legislative lobbying their competitors into noncompliance (thus a large percentage of our community).
Yes, their whole enforcement of remote ID is a different issue. But, another reason not to support them.
Funny to think we have multiple digital systems to even complain about. I have this old TBS vtx (still works) "small" 40*50mm with built in OSD and the giant 28*28 camera. I took it to my robotics class and was the coolest nerd for like a week.
Analogue is still great Ruby. But I must admit. I am enjoying all this digital goodness too. Technology has progressed a fair way. You’ll always be the coolest nerd 😉
I haven't purchased another DJI non backward compatible product since my P4P+ and Mavic Pro... and never will for the reasons/issues Mads Tech, you and other refer to...
I have a Mavic Pro too. But, I won’t be buying any more of their products.
WTFOS has all the osd stuff but where the hel is the sound? I want to hear my airplanes flying. What can we do to get sound?
Does anyone know where to get parts for volantex asw28 2.6 m ?? one of my wing tips fell off
I believe sound isn’t on HD systems because it will use up valuable space in the data stream. To get the image and data back, they needed to make some sacrifices. I did hear something about WTF looking in to sound. And I know Walksnail are also aware that people would like this. But wherever anything will see the light of day is anyone’s guess.
The later WTFOS firmware does support live audio with the full size air unit.
@@tomjenson9053 I just flashed it last month and they said audio was gone because of licensing arguments, is it back now?
Awesome Tom. Thanks for sharing the info 👍🏻
@@embededfabrication4482 I haven't looked at the last release.
I've been using live audio for the last couple of months.
Perhaps their was a licencing issue.
That shouldn't stop you from using firmware that contained it. Or making your own build with it.
Why can't inav/bf/ardu work towards a standardized MSP/OSD implementation that they all share?
I guess you didn’t watch the video? That standardised MSP DisplayPort implementation is what has been used for a while now. DJI just aren’t fully implementing it.
Are you listening, DJI?
Unfortunately not 🤣
Im STILL flying only analogue! I just cant personally justify it. My cam/goggle views are plenty good enough for me with Ratel cams and Dominator gogs. Thats just me though (I dont even fly current BF & iNav FW lol)
There’s nothing wrong with analogue. I still have most of my models on analogue. The Ratel cameras are excellent.
@@MrD I need to properly get back into flying. I bought another AR wing to retire my previous ole trusty one and even a full size Goblin since I LOVE my nano-Goblin (prob my fav fixed wing). I built the models just haven't finished with electronics. Do you have a NG Mr.D? Great vid btw. I didn't know about this issue but its interesting.
I actually have two Nano Goblins. Unfortunately, neither are flying right now. One I had an unfortunate landing, and punctured the spar through the wing. It was repairable. But I decided to strip it and use it as a base for a speed NG. The other one is new in the box. I’ve just not had a chance to build it yet. They are awesome little planes though
Probably my favourite small plane so far. I also love my AR Wing, so know you have 2 great aircraft there.
Well said!!
Thanks Geoff 👍🏻
This is like Zune complaining it's not supported by Toyota's Carplay implementation. Market share, guys. If you become as big as BF, things will change. Also Betaflight doesn't directly compete with DJI but both iNav and Ardupilot do.. to some extent - they have autonomy features and can even be set up for vision based position hold. So, even less reason for DJI to make user experience better for their potential competition.
Um, no it isn't. It's like Toyota saying CarPlay is fully supported, but the Apple messaging app not working. I think you overestimate the share BetaFlight has over other firmware. Someone posted 95% the other day, which is a wild exaggeration. 60-65%, maybe. But that's still no excuse.
The facts are that DJI state in on their web site that "Canvas Mode" OSD works. Canvas Mode is a misnomer, but means that the flight controller decides what it displayed on the OSD. In other words, it's MSP DisplayPort. Absolutely nowhere does DJI specify or even mention specific firmwares that they will work with. So therefore, their "Canvas Mode" should support all OSDs that communicate with it. It doesn't. They are missing some fundamental parts of MSP DisplayPort, namely firmware detection and font upload. I also don't buy the competition thing. It's not like quads with BetaFlight haven't been used in some commercial applications either.
So the betaflight startup logo will not be shown in o3 system...
FC firmware developers deserve their logo to be shown in the osd.
dji might did this on purpose for marketing reasons. Pretending they are the lead in fpv drones.
No, the logo is not in the DJI font. There’s lots missing 🤣
get in there say it how it is
Taking a leaf out of your boo mate 👍🏻
Dollar wise as they supposedly are why ignore fixed wing and not listen to requests of users?
💯
Sorry, but this is FAR from the worst problem DJI has, IMHO. What really makes me angry is the incompatibility between products. Got a set of FPV Goggles V2? Sorry, they don't work with the Mini 3 Pro. Get a compatible Goggles Integra, you'll need to also buy a Motion Controller 2. The RC Controller won't work with the goggles on a Mini 3 Pro. The original Motion Controller isn't compatible either. Want a DJI Air 3? Get used to the idea your older RC Controller and RC Pro Controller aren't compatible. You'll need the new RC Controller 2. Which is not compatible with any previous drone...
Maybe not the worst problem. But a problem that has been misunderstood. I just wanted to put that right.
But 100%. All those compatibility issues in their own ecosystem should not exist either. I can understand if there are quite a few years between. Sometimes the hardware changes will dictate if something can be backwards compatible. But that list seems excessive.
how nice masterpiece,;)
Thank you very much 👍🏻
I can see why this bothers smart people who can make their hardware do things. On the other hand if a person would just so happen to be dumb like me and cant figure most this shit out anyways, dji tells me my battery and my video signal and im flying.
Great video
HEY DJI don't make me say "Fok DJI"
give us font uploads..... Is that really that much to ask?
It really wouldn’t be much work for them. Thats the frustrating thing.
100% makes walksnail even more attractive
Walksnail are listening to the community. Their products will only get better, and more useful for their pilots.
DJI was great for FPV, haters been haters, Walksnail is a ripoff copy of DJI, people forget that if it was not for DJI we would be flying Analog, and would not have walksnail or so, they are a business they aim for profit, profit makes them innovating and the circle goes on
People defending a company that is only interested in your money and not your satisfaction. What's wrong with you? Buyers bias at its best.
@@MarcFPV I’m being pragmatic, that’s the truth, not defending anyone, just sayin people tend to spit vertically up!
Sorry, but this is not totally true. DJI was good for FPV. They mass produced an HD FPV system. It was the first system to hit the mainstream l. But, it did have problems. Including the OSD, which WTF fixed. WTF also added extra features to the system, including recording the OSD for DVR. The problem is, DJI didn’t pay any attention to this for O3. They stuck with the old model, just with better visuals. This isn’t innovation. If they were innovative, they would have not only improved the visuals l. But also seen WTF did, and at least include something at the same level, if not improve on it.
Walksnail isn’t a copy of DJI. It uses different hardware. The hardware is at least the same level as the O3 system. AFAIK, the original DJI hardware couldn’t do H.265.
I don’t believe that if DJI hadn’t brought HD to the masses, it wouldn’t have come from someone else. Before DJI, there was FPV Blue. That system is actually pretty impressive. The problem was at the time, it was expensive and produced in low numbers. No doubt, another company would have released an HD system. It was only a matter of time. DJI just had the advantage, due to the photography drones.
@@MrD sorry, but I’m saying about HD digital transmission and goggles, the extras os mother story, the best thing we would have today if was not for DJI is Sharkbit or HDzero that are low quality, like a good analog, digital system! DJI opened a great big gate of evolution, I’m not found of DJI but we NEED to be just
Not true. Before DJI and SharkByte, there was FPV Blue. This was a good quality 720p HD FPV system. The picture was better than SharkByte by miles. It was also running on 1.3GHz and (I believe l) 2.4GHz. So it could out range all the current HD systems. This is an HD system that could do around 200km! DJI weren’t the first for HD. They were just the first to get it cheap enough and mass produced. Other systems would have existed without them.
The best mass produced system we would have today without DJI would be Walksnail Avatar. It is not a DJI clone. It is a system in its own right.
lol awesome
Dont complaining about DJI - DONT BUY their products - thats all u can do. Maybe - if they dont sell any units anymore - they start to hear ^^
Exactly. DJI only care about sales!
I think many folks are misunderstanding who DJIs target market is. If I'm to be honest, I'm a fan of most of their stuff because I want to buy a system that is ready to go when I get it, and it doesn't have a big learning curve. The drone for me is tool and not a hobby. From that perspective, they have a great lineup of products.
Not at all. Sure, they have a whole photography drone sector. These closed products work well. But, the FPV system is made for DIY, FPV pilots. There would be no reason to produce an O3 airunit for one a Mavic for example.
They don't provide what their customers want but they are the largest and most successful company in the space... make that make sense?
They might not provide what YOU want but apparently they provide products that the majority do. What's so hard to understand about that? Buy products from Walk Snail or HD ZERO and be happy. Why vilify DJI just because they don't cater to your specific needs?
because people fall for false marketing and fanboyism. That's why this video is out. To prevent disappointment for people who actually care about these things.
If you don't care, that's fine. Then ignore the recommendation. It's that easy.
@MarcFPV DJI never promised to support this or any platforms when they launched their FPV system, WTF are you even talking about? They're system was, for all intents and purposes, a closed system requiring use of their goggles and controller. Then all of you have demanded that they support the use of Betaflight. The
They accommodated. Then it was Canvas Mode. They accommodated. Now it's this and the story is always, "DJI EVIL, THEY NO SUPPORT"... Seriously just don't buy their products.
Actually, they promised “Canvas Mode” OSD. This misnomer means that the OSD provided by the flight controller will be displayed on the goggles (via MSP DisplayPort). They didn’t specify specific firmwares. Therefore, any FC firmware that provides OSD data via MSP DisplayPort should be fully supported. They are not fulfilling their own advertised functionality.
@MrD Aww, come on, that's such a reach. Um, isn't there Canvas Mode? Besides, here's my biggest problem, do you not know the limitations of the DJI system BEFORE you purchase it? Are you all really stupid enough to buy into a system, any system based on what they might provide later? Just don't buy it. You've laid out that there are two other systems that support your needs, just buy them and to hell with DJI. Why focus your energy on the 1 of 3 that doesn't give you what you need?
Besides, you guys will be sorry if DJI ever gets serious about FPV. They'll run those other companies right out of business. Don't believe me? Ask the dozen or so GPS drone companies that no longer produce consumer drones or are out of business entirely. The feeling I've always gotten from the DJI higher-ups I've spoken to, it's that FPV is kind of a side gig. It's made them some profit, so they are looking at it more closely, but no one expects it to ever be on par with camera drones... I hear they made more money on Mini 3 Pro sales than the entire FPV division. Once FPV becomes more trouble than it's worth, they'll drop it like a hot potatoe. I remember half the FPV community panicking when DJI had Caddx start making the Air Units... "OMG, is DJI leaving the FPV space?!?" Hahaha!
They're probably not very interested because the majority of their customers aren't either. You say quad pilots are 'just a part' of the hobby, which is true, but I suspect they are still about 80% of DJI's customer. The other 20% of which is shared by the action cams and gimbals, software etc.
I think things are different once you reach the scale they are at. I can kinda see why they wouldn't put development time (which gets more expensive the bigger you are) into something like this - especially when it opens their closed system up and the justification, on paper at least, is so marginal. It's probably just not as clear a win for them as you think it is.
Saying 'fuck DJI' is fine. But how different is that to any other situation where you don't buy something because it doesn't do what you want it to do? Why the fanfare?
Im sure one day they will come up with a new integrated system of their own or something, who knows. Just use what ya got until then 😊
I think you're overestimating the percentage of DJI's FPV customers that are purely BetaFlight. I'd say it was closer to 65%, 70% at a push. But still, that is not an excuse. DJI advertise functionality that isn't fully working. On their website for Goggles v2 and the O3 air unit, they state a "Canvas Mode" OSD. This is a misnomer, but in essence they are saying that the flight controller passes DJI the OSD information, and they display it. This is MSP DisplayPort. Absolutely nowhere on their product or spec pages does it mention compatible firmware. Nothing saying BetaFlight only, nothing listing compatible FC firmware. Therefore, "Canvas Mode" should support all flight controllers that talk to it. It doesn't. The reasons why are in this video. Therefore, they are not providing the features that they advertise. I have seen posts from people who bought this system pre-release, then were distraught when it did not work. This is not a cheap system. This is why "fuck DJI". They have stated that something works. It doesn't, and they have shown no intent on fixing it.
I don't agree entirely with the development costs either. This would be a pretty easy change for one of DJI's developers to implement, and pretty quickly. It's not something that requires a team, or even much research. WTF basically showed them what the system should do a long time before O3 came out. The fact they will have a team of multiple developers, compared the the one or two developers for Walksnail and HDZero, means that it will have less of an impact on the rest of their projects too. To me, it's a no-brainer, and something that should have been there at release. I don't care if it's a clear win for them. I care more that their customers are being hung out to dry.
Thank you for the message though. I do appreciate that it is coming from a neutral perspective too.
@@MrD their hobbyist FPV business, in entirety, is a relatively small part of their business. Even if that small part of their business is represented by 30% non-betaflight users, that is a tiny minority.
As far as development resources - it's not about the implementation. A single person could write and implement the code cheaply.
But that isn't how big companies work - everything has to go though rigorous costing, testing, signed off by multiple people and departments, legal, marketing, everything. The costs overall add up very fast - big companies aren't efficient in this way. That's why changes are slow - dev resources are competed for by different teams and different feature requests, so even if you're a developer convinced that x is a good idea, and you've basically made it work, you have to have a completely sound business case before you're even in the running.
Then you add in that a company like this will have a 'roadmap' where they have planned ahead several quarters - if something doesn't fit into that plan, it's at the back of the queue.
I'm not saying they shouldn't have this feature. I'm just saying I'm not surprised they don't.
@@big-smoke-rc I don’t understand why you keep bringing up BetaFlight? DJI do not specify BetaFlight anywhere. It is a restriction that quad pilots are stating, but is not specified by DJI.
As far as the development goes. It should have been defined in the first place. They already had negative feedback from their first FPV system over the OSD. They already had WTF showing how it should have been done. They either spent no time at all researching their pilot’s requirements, or chose to ignore them. Neither are good.
I understand your not saying they shouldn’t do it. But my point it they should have done it already. Or at least they should have been transparent enough to say what it works with. I have no respect for a company who are happy for people to pay £800+ on a set of goggles and a single airunit. Only for them to find out that it doesn’t work as advertised.
@@MrD yeah but it wasn't defined in the first place. If it's false advertising you'd be able to return the units, legally speaking?
Again - those pilots are a minority within a minority. And judging by the success of the new system release, I doubt they are kicking themselves.
Sorry, but the minority within a minority just doesn’t stand.
1. Sure, FPV is a minority market, compared to their main market of consumer photography drones. But, they chose to release the FPV system.
2. There is no sub-minority, because DJI do not state that the system only works for one discipline or firmware. They advertise that it works with a cross-firmware APi. Yet it is not fully implemented. The whole “it was only made for BetaFlight” is a limitation that the community are implying. It’s basically them giving DJI a get out of jail free card. DJI do not state that it is only for BetaFlight or quads on their product pages or specs. The community really needs to stop putting those words in DJI’s mouth, to let them off the hook.
telling people to not buy dji is redundant and stupid. its like cutting your nose off because you smelt your own fart, wow i think i just mixed a metaphor so hard i opened up a portal to the underworld.... wait!.... no...... aaaaaaaaggggggghhhhh
That’s pretty funny. Hope you got out the portal.
But seriously why? I don’t see it like that at all. DJI weren’t the first to have HD FPV, in many ways they’re not the best, they don’t listen to the needs of their customers. So I would have no problem with DJI stopping making HD FPV products. The only thing DJI did, was be the first to mass produce this stuff at a reasonable price.
@@MrD they were first, denying that is insanity, they are the best in almost every way, denying that is insanity. if dji didnt create hd fpv would we even have at all? i doubt that very very much. dji exist, for good or bad, they pushed the fpv hobby forward, and while they dont listen to autonomous fpv'ers they did get the basics sorted on the g2's, although i'm not happy with 16-9. they arent aiming at racers, they arent aiming at freestylers, they arent aiming at long range autonomous flyers, they are aiming at cinematic freestylers, and theyve nailed that to the wall in a way only a huge company can. so, saying dont buy their stuff cause they dont listen, just sounds like insanity. did fatshark put an on off switch on their goggles, did tbs ever sort out the late telemetry warnings on some systems, did gopro make a session 6, no. so singling out dji as not listening is just stupid, no company can please all of the people all of the time and none of them really care about every single aspect and niche of the fpv world. they all specialize a bit. the digital hd systems before dji werent very good in any way, the image wasnt as good by a long way, the signal was horrible, the hardware was laughable, and the price was deal breaker. nobody was trying to make an extremely low latency hd system, except maybe the military, all other uses dont demand millisecond latency, so for dji to get close with their autonomous drones, and then push it further for fpv pilots to use, with epic signal quality and multiple pilots at once was nothing short of a miracle. nobody even believed it could be done, that was the consensus. and now here we are a few years later with two more viable systems chasing the quality dji came up with. fpv is so small, we should probably think ourselves lucky dji even knows we exist. i would respect hating dji because they are a large corporation with questionable worker practises and intrusive product registration requirements, but the fact remains, they blew this hooby into the future and as much as i love the tinkerer philosophy, telling people not to buy their stuff is like telling people to go back to wagon wheels because pirelli dont make the size of tyre you want to use on your amish racing buggy..... amish buggy racing doesnt matter enough to anybody. and those beards are a safety hazard when you go fast anyway.
Sorry, but you're wrong about so much here. This is probably why DJI are defended undeservedly by so many people. But just to clarify your points:
- *they were first, denying that is insanity* : Actually, no. Denying that is fact. DJI were not the first HD FPV system. Before them was Connex Prosight and even better was FPV.Blue. Infact FPV.Blue still beats DJI in some areas.
- *they are the best in almost every way, denying that is insanity* : Sorry, that is far from the truth again. Best for range, not a chance. DJI in the best configuration for range just about hits 30km. HDZero and Walksnail can both go over 50km. FPV.Blue, which was around BEFORE DJI, can go around 210km! Best for listening to their customer. Nope, DJI absolutely fail here. The best thing about DJI is their image. That's it. Pretty much everything else can be matched or beaten by the competition. Latency, penetration, cost, support.
- *if dji didnt create hd fpv would we even have at all?* : DJI didn't create HD FPV. As already mentioned, FPV.Blue and Connex Prosight existed before DJI brought out their HD FPV solution. All DJI did was package it better and made it more affordable. So of course there would have been other HD systems if DJI hadn't released theirs. I think it's crazy to suggest there wouldn't have been. Especially as they already existed.
- *did fatshark put an on off switch on their goggles* : Yes, check out the HDO2 goggles. They have a power button.
- *did gopro make a session 6* : Not really relevant. GoPro have never made a product for the FPV market. It just fitted. DJI's HD FPV system is made for the FPV market. Also, nowhere do they specify which areas of the market, or even firmware that it's aimed at. So saying *hey arent aiming at racers, they arent aiming at freestylers, they arent aiming at long range autonomous flyers, they are aiming at cinematic freestylers* is stuff that quad pilots are making up to justify DJI's incompetence. DJI do not specify any such limits.
- *the digital hd systems before dji werent very good in any way, the image wasnt as good by a long way, the signal was horrible, the hardware was laughable* : Really!? Have you actually flown any of the pre-DJI HD systems. Or are you just repeating what you've heard? I have flown with FPV.Blue, and can tell you that the image is very good, the hardware and firmware is extremely well thought out, and the signal beats DJI by a long, long way.
The rest is basically making excuses for DJI. A lot of what you are saying, DJI don't say at all. Again, this is just DJI fans putting words in DJI's mouth to make the product sound like it fits. They really aren't innovating for the FPV community. How can they innovate when they don't even listen? The FPV products are basically beta testing for DJI's off-the-shelf drones. The whole niche market doesn't have any traction at all either. They chose to make a product for that niche market. They did not specify a sub niche of that market that it will only work with. They state the it works with "Canvas Mode". Which is them badly naming MSP DisplayPort. Then the product fails to support MSP DisplayPort. If you want to count yourself lucky that DJI exist, so that you pay for only what they want to give you, and be a guinea pig for their consumer drones. Be my guest. I won't be a sucker for that. I hope more FPV pilots follow suit. Especially with better alternative, who actually do give a shit about their pilots.
@@MrD connex didnt even make goggles, do you remember the antennae? connex was a fail, the latency wasnt good enough they didnt have goggles. it was a fail, the other systems suffered the same. the first people to come up with a low latency fpv system was dji.
@@TheMadmacs where did I say the Connex system was good? FPV.Blue on the other hand was good. They latency was no worse than DJI. What does making goggles have to do with anything?
I still don't get it, and probably never will. It still seems like INAV could rewrite their code with DJI's font? I mean, at least for the basics, like battery voltage and rssi?
But honestly, it does seem like a bit of cancel culture drama. I mean, DJI doesn't owe you, me, or anyone else the right to modify their products to benefit yours.
For now I'll just rely on my battery timer and rssi from my radio. DJI still has the best video on the market. I'm not going to cancel them and label them the devil because I can't have my way.
INAV has made changes to give DJI pilots a limited OSD. The problem is that DJI’s font doesn’t have the symbols needed for a fully functional OSD. Just battery voltage and RSSI might be fine for a quad. But other disciplines require much more data. INAV has done everything it can to support DJI’s customers. Something that DJI should be doing in the first place.
The thing is, DJI does owe their customers a fully working OSD; Which they are not doing. Their product information and specs on their website state that “Canvas Mode” OSD is working. This is a bit of a misnomer, as what they are doing isn’t Canvas. But, what they mean by that is that they can display the flight controller’s OSD in their googles. This is using MSP DisplayPort. They do not specify any particular flight controller firmware works or doesn’t work. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that all MSP DisplayPort OSDs should be fully supported. They aren’t. This is false advertising, and pilots bought their systems early, expecting it to work.
I agree, full osd would be great. For me as a newb to the hobby, the characters already suported is good enough. Thank you guya at INAV for all your hard work you do for all of us out here🙏🏼
Maybe stop buying stuff is not the answer, maybe more petitions like the one for backwards compatibility would be more succesfull in sending a message
Sorry, but the only way to make DJI take note is to hit them in the pocket. They won’t care about petitions. I’m glad you’re getting what you need from the system though. Welcome to the hobby 🙂
The arrogance you have thinking a company like DJI owes you something is astounding.
You don't have to buy their stuff if you don't like it.
DJI don’t owe me anything. But, they owe their customers a FULLY working system.
@@MrD No they don't.
Unless they sold it as being compatible with INAV or Ardupilot, but they never did. All of this is very clear when buying this system. Off course we all want it to be compatible with everything out there, but DJI doesn't owe us anything.
Actually, they don’t state any firmware compatibility. Not even BetaFlight. But that is ridiculous and not clear at all. Absolutely nowhere in the product pages or specs is a single flight controller firmware mentioned.
However, they do state “Canvas Mode”, which is not true. The only canvas OSD so far has been the PixelOSD from FrSKY. “Canvas mode”implies MSP DisplayPort. It is not fully compatible with MSP DisplayPort. So does not meet the advertised functionality. Thinking that DJI are above this is just giving them carte blanch to get away with it again and again.
Why would you want to use anything apart from DJI the rest is normally rubbish
The rest is far from rubbish. Walksnail’s hardware is at least as good as O3. Why would anyone want to use DJI when they are selling an incomplete system? The more people ignore this and let them get away with it. The longer it will take them to do better. Their customers deserve better!
Normally rubbish😂😂😂😂😂you flogger