Why Russia Isn't Using Stealth Su-57s, How Many They Actually Have, and How Effective They'd Be
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2023
- No sponsor, times are hard. But With Russia losing several aircraft in Ukraine lately, it's made me wonder why they don't use their Su-57 stealth aircraft? After all, that's what stealth is for, to avoid radar and being shot down! So we explore why they're not around, how many Russia even has, what they'd even be able to achieve, and all with the latest satellite imagery
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The stealth tech of the SU-57 and T-14 Armata is off the charts. No one has even seen them on the battlefield, it's just too good.
LOL
More hollow bragging. It is easily disproven by the fact that they are not dominating the sky over Ukraine. Russia is always saying the BS that you're repeating. And if the Armata was the wonder tank you claim, again why are they not using them? Because if they did the world would see this is all more false boasts. The proof is in the pudding and they are afraid to serve it up.😆
@@YourMentalDamageRussia is a pathetic joke compared to what the Soviet Union was, Russian pilots are ducttaping smartphones to their planes to use Google maps for God's sake
To think that everyone thought they would take Kyiv in 3 days.. LMFAO keep coping comrade
@@YourMentalDamage The US isn't going to give the raptor to anyone, that was the situation from day 1. There have already been Abrams seen in Ukraine.
@@YourMentalDamage yeah like the US is gonna hand over Raptors to Ukraine, a plane that they never shared or sold even to their closest allies. Anyway your argument is moot, the Raptor is operational just like the latest versions of the Abrams, on the other hand the T-14 and the SU-57 are no where to be seen.
In 2010, India had plans to purchase 216 SU-57s. They even paid 295 million USD as initial engineering costs. The program required India to invest a further 5 billion USD down the line as development costs, with Russia spending an equal amount.However when the first prototype was out, the Russians denied access to the aircraft. The Indian Air Force was not convinced of the effectiveness of the stealth fighter. They finally abandoned the program & left the Russians in limbo.
yeah because the russians did the same shit with their carrier lol
Yes, but Russia just made a new offer to India. India is thinking it over. They would probably like to buy a few just to be able to take them apart and copy anything worthwhile to improve their domestic AMCA jet project. It worked for the Chinese.
@@keithhoward4069 lol, Indians are operating Russian/soviet fighters since early 1960's. they never copied like the Chinese! be it Mig 21,25,27,29 or Su 30. Yes they bring in new better improved components replacing Russian components. This will be usually homegrown by DRDO or direct parts from Israel/France. The max they do is co-develop with a foreign partner or ask for TOT as part of the deal!
Yes the indians initially INVESTED in the SU57 project before it was even in the prototype stage, but the reason why the Indians pulled out their investment was twofold: 1. They did not want to wait for way over a decade for initial delivieries to start (though with Indian money the project would had gone a bit faster), but the MAIN reason was: 2. The Russians did not want to build a factory that would produce these planes in India itself or even produce the spare parts locally.
@@keithhoward4069 "Thinking it over" = "buying from France instead"
T-72 turrets have more flying time than the Su-57
At least they don't crash so often as the fail 35 😂😂
Despite being the most advanced fighter jet available, the F-35 has been involved in 29 crashes since it began flying 17 years ago. With over 721,000 flight hours and more than 965 delivered F-35s, the aircraft has a relatively low crash rate, with fewer than ten confirmed destroyed planes and one pilot fatality.
@@elpupuserothe SU 57 is garbage cope Trollboy
@@elpupusero Russhkies can't even build the Su-57
@@omital-ittna1200 from what European country your family is from?
@@omital-ittna1200 keep crying dumb F, 😆 🤣 😂
Friendly reminder that the US has more operational Super Carriers than Russia has 5th gen stealth fighters.
That might be the burn of the year. Like, WOW. 😂
@grantbarday5760 I had another one a few days prior that the Su-57 is such a poor quality aircraft for a 5th generation fighter even the Chinese don't have a knockoff version of it.
@@gibster9624 ok, also a good one XD. How about this:
“There aren’t enough T14s for a single tank to kill and become a tank ace”
Friendly reminder: the US is led by Biden and Russia is led by Putin.
@ignatiusmoriasi4991 AKA if you are in visual range you are probably already dead.
Despite having an order for "75" Su-57s, and the Russian ministry/Sukhoi constantly claiming they'll be delivering 2 dozen "soon" for the last like 8 years, the fact is they're highly dependent on foreign components. Allegedly they've delivered all of 4 new Su57s this december (the total for the ENTIRE year), I really wouldn't be surprised if they just took 4 of the test aircraft, polished them up a bit, and slapped new numbers on them.
Russia has literally been caught bolstering it's number of vehicles by changing numbers before.
The rule of thumb when it comes to counting Russian assets is "If they say they have 30, or 200, or 1000 of them, but you only see 8, it's because they only have 8". They famously LOVE showing off their number of assets, be it tanks, ICBM launchers, aircraft etc. So the only reason to have so few in a picture, is because they don't have that many.
when they literally drive their tanks around in circles at military parades or have their bombers fly in circles so they appear to have more of them lol
The stupid thing is that some of their weapon systems are actually very capable, but those aren't the things being hyped and shown off to the world at every opportunity. A good example is the R-29RMU2 submarine-launched ballistic missile which is reliable, has been in service over a decade now, has a very long range and makes use of some seriously impressive technology and engineering in its engines. It's a really good missile that showcases what Russian engineers can do with the right resources but you never hear about it and it's virtually unknown in the West outside of military circles and hardcore rocket nerds.
Why doesn't Russia shout about R-29RMU2 when it compares favourably with the latest Western missiles? - Because it can't sell them since they're strategic nuclear delivery systems.
@@trolleriffic their rockets engines in general are absolutely world class. Its a shame the RD-701 and RD-0162 will likely never get built. Until SpaceX came along, no other country except Ukraine had built hydrocarbon staged combustion engines.
For every Su 57 there are 300 thousand Marxists college students and professors who demoralize the West. Who do you think had the real advantage?
@@chriskerwin3904Why would they bring out all of them?
Of course they are using them, we just can't see them because they're invisible. Just like how they are using the T-14, and it's just so effective that there is no evidence of it being in combat. /sarcasm
Lol not sarcasm
@@menwithven8114the funny part is you raging about it. 😂
@@menwithven8114pretty funny
Damn. I think he deleted his comment? You guys roasted him harder than a Javelin roasting a T72.
You guys wanna hear my joke?
Which can fly higher? SU57 or a T72 tank?
The answer is T72.
I only came here to state this exact obvious fact.
“This stealth plane…..is it in the room with us right now”?
Well it has the radar cross section of a barn so you would know
😅 да, черти, срите в свои памперсы, разрешаю
That the hull markings are blurred makes it clear that they're previously existing jets. There has been no precedent for concealing those hull markings in the past.
Вхвххаххахахахаххааххаха. Что мешает изменить номер, Господи? Что вообще у вас в голове.
@@user-qg8lk8sb4w Зачем блурить номера тогда?
@@markvorobjov6185 Секретка потому что. Формальный подход (бюрократия) - во-первых, сокрытия реальной численности и того что и куда перебрасывают во-вторых. Определить наличие самолета на аэродроме со спутника можно, а вот увидеть его серийные номера нет. Это может быть связано с множеством причин начиная от отчетности (так положено или вышло такое распоряжение), напромер ВСЕ советские учебники для военных кафедр в которых содержится специальная техническая информация находятся в "ограниченном доступе", их нельзя выносить из библиотек и чтобы ими пользоваться нужен 3 уровень допуска (хотя они все давно есть в интернете и естественно никаких тайн там нет), тоже самое с телефонами в военных частях. Если бы было желание обманывать и показывать что произведено самолетов больше чем на самом деле, то собрали бы все выпущенные самолеты, каждый год меняли бы номера и делали вид что сдают их партиями в 10 самолетов пару раз в год. А то что показывают по одному и всё блюрят, как-раз скорее говорит о том, что их действительно производят.
@@markvorobjov6185 Кстати на всех видео министерства обороны их зоны СВО серийные номера самолетов и вертолетов тоже замазывают. Там они тоже ненастоящие чтоли?)
Also, being able to detect a stealth aircraft does not mean you can target said aircraft. Stealth aircraft can be detected with low frequency(longer slower wavelength) radars but that return isn't good enough for targeting. The high frequency (shorter faster wavelengths) radar used for targeting can't "see" stealth aircraft.
That's why countries like China and Russia say "they can detect the f-35" or f-22. They can but they can not target them. But they like to play on people ignorance about how stealth aircraft and radars work. They play the same game for hypersonic missiles too.
"That's why countries like China and Russia say "they can detect the f-35" or f-22. They can but they can not target them."
Russia can do both. China can do both, but at shorter range.
Some other nations are also capable of this, but Russia is current leader in antistealth tech. By a big margin. China is probably 2nd in line.
And because USA specifically disallowed such research up until 10-15 years ago, USA and most of Nato are FAAAR behind.
"The high frequency (shorter faster wavelengths) radar used for targeting can't "see" stealth aircraft. "
That's a misconception and wrong. The RANGE they can be seen is REDUCED, not made impossible.
And there's a number of tricks for improving both range and chance to detect.
"They play the same game for hypersonic missiles too."
And yesterday, a Ukraine commander Ignati admitted that Ukraine's airdefence have NEVER even hit a Russian supersonic missile.
Supersonic includes hypersonic in case you don't understand this.
You forgot a "not" so you said the opposite of what you meant to say lol.
It happens to the best of us 😁
@@DIREWOLFx751) Yury Ignat is not a commander, he's a spokesperson for the Ukrainian army.
2) that comment was not made yesterday, it was made March 9, 2023 BEFORE they received patriot.
Russians and their lies: they think if they include a kernel of truth no one will check them. What they forget is that they've lied so consistently that people always check them now, and once again, you did not disappoint!
@@wilfdarr 👍
@@DIREWOLFx75 Russia barely has AESA radar on any of it's fighters. Almost every American fighter now has 2nd generation AESA radar. And China has a 10-20 year lead over Russia in stealth and radar technology at this point, they're mass producing J-20s and most of their fighter fleet is being equipped with AESA. And so far the US is the only country testing aircraft with IR reduction coatings- look at the chrome F-22s and F-35s. And neither China nor Russia have engine nozzles that passively cool engine exhaust to diminish infrared signature. I don't know how you got the idea the America is behind in Low Observable, IRST or Radar technology.
Russia struggles and fails to build the number of 5th gen fighters in an entire year with the Su57 that the US pumps out in a single month with the F35. Russia might have managed to build 6 Su57’s in 2022, meanwhile the US now builds 120 F35’s a year with the total built approaching a thousand.
Diference is Us have help for other contries Russia doesnt
We could give all our F-16s to Ukraine because our entire airforce has been replaced with F-35.
The Neeherlands has more F-35 than Russia has “stealth” aircraft.
@@miguelafonso9970 It is technically correct, but very misleading what you are saying. Russia did have help from India, but India bailed from the project. And while the US does have help, the vast majority of the F35 program is done inside the US itself.
@@rogerwilco2 We are at about the hLFWAY 2/3-rds mark. I suspect that eventually we will give all our F16's to Ukraine, at least the ones we didn't sell of before the war.
@@miguelafonso9970 And whose fault is that that they dont have allies?
The first production model crashing while being transferred from the factory is the most Russia thing ever
Because it's so big, with such a large surface area, the Su-57 just has that much more stealth per aircraft. Therefore due to that fact, it's SO stealthy that it's completely invisible.
ok bud lol :)
@@derek8564 Someone's sarcasm detector is broken.
@@AgentX2006 if it's a Russian Bot, they fully believe in their sarcasm. It's national policy that Russian Irony is Truth.
@@eminencerain848 this is the most obvious joke ever, stop being a goof
jokes aside, the difference in size between f22 and su57 is so small the effect of the rcs to the the difference is practically close to none.
Russia seems to have a lot of AWOL 'next gen' systems. T-14, Su-57, etc etc.
Because the T-14 is still in trails. theres a lot of hardware Russia trys to show as being in mass production but realistically are still in trails. Eg the Kurganets 25t, T-14. We've recently seen them actually push the Bumerang APC, an APC heavily inspired by western designs, into actual service. Last time i heard that the T-14 was officially ready for production (before the war) but then they were talking about redesigning a T-90M turret to fit a new autoloader that can hold Vacum1 and Vacum2 shells that the armata use. So theres clearly a lot of bs regarding producing that tank if they still considering a cheaper alternative
Because Russia can't actually afford the risk of losing systems that are basically propaganda pieces.
@@cherrypoptart2001What happened to Bumerang APC? I saw in telegram that it was supposed to be deployed yet seen no video of it at the frontlines
Since when "a lot" means 2?
lots of the next-gen stuff they have announced is nuclear weaponry in nature, dotn know you but I would prefer if that stuff stays in the silos or armories.
All the Wunderwaffen, usually you don't make these before you in reality defeated, but Russia made them some years ago!
People make fun of the f-22 not having a single kill (except a balloon) ignoring that USA hasn’t been in a war with anyone with and actual air force with planes to shoot down in decades. If USA was in a war like Russia was in with Ukraine and the f-22 sat out of it, then everyone would be first in line to call the raptor an expensive failure.And they’d be right. However with su-57 these same people have nothing but excuses.
No air to air kills. Its has been dropping bombs since the war in afghanistan and also syria
Wasn't F22 engaging the Wagner guys in Africa?
probably@@marka7759
@@marka7759no old school c-130. You don't need anything high tech to wipe the floor with that second rate outfit.
lol, literally the f22 didn't shoot down an f4 because it wasnt necessary it got to meeters of distance without being detected. Look at the sand storm operation. Im not american so i don't have a bias, but dude don't compare US and Russia they are on completely different levels. Look at the hitts of the Patriots, 4 su34 down in a single attack, simply put russia has cold era technology. They are literally 40 years behind and its showing by their lack of progress in a small country like ukraine
With Russia, if you don't see it, it doesn't exist.
We've seen 8 T-14's in their May Day parade.
They have 8 T-14's.
We've photographed or have intelligence on 10 Su-57's.
They have 10 Su-57's.
They also have 10k nukes so yeah don’t mess with them clown
I've seen footage of T-14s in Donets so they are there, just not in the front lines.
Apparently they are used by battalion commanders using the new computer networking systems to coordinate operations.
@@stevebuckley7788 bs. if it had been in Donets, it would be destroyed by know
@@richardschipper5989ive seen em too , everyone who uses telegramm to get real footage , but you stuck here knowing sh it and talking bs
as we say in russia, "coach experts".
The SU-57's are probably where all the T-14 Armata's are .... Super power my ass!
just a sovereign country with its own opinion.
The T-14 took part in combat operations in Syria when the main terrorist group was destroyed.
Ukraine is not Syria, T-14s there will light up like Christmas trees.
10k in nukes says otherwise and undetectable subs off the coast of Cali ur gone
You clearly dont know what u r talking about. If Russia was weak, USA would have already arrested Putin like they did to my president and his brother for selling drugs.
You sound so ignorant as F,,, the Fails 35 have more crashes than any other plane
Despite being the most advanced fighter jet available, the F-35 has been involved in 29 crashes since it began flying 17 years ago. With over 721,000 flight hours and more than 965 delivered F-35s, the aircraft has a relatively low crash rate, with fewer than ten confirmed destroyed planes and one pilot fatality.
It's hard to show off new equipment when you have exaggerated their capabilities and have less then 5 operational aircraft. Just like the T14, it's overhyped to try and make Russia look like a super power when we all know that they aren't.
The US has been the lone world super power since '91.
T-14 isn't overhyped per se. It "only" lacks the engine.
Also I'm sure Russia wouldn't want footage of a modern 57 being hit by a 80's manpad all over internet
How is Russia not a super power if it can turn the whole US into ashes within minutes.
Bingo. Look how embarrassing it was having the F-117 shot down by a '50s SAM system. Russia doesn't want to deal with that PR disaster, especially when they intend to sell these planes.@@superdidly1
I subscribe to the Lazerpig principle of "if you don't see the Russian equipment, it doesn't exist". I think it's perfectly plausible that they don't have more than 3, possibly 4 Su57 production airframes based on the evidence in this video.
They have somewhere between 5-7 units for sure
Based on this video and rest of the western videos Russia has nothing they are fighting with showels and washing machines , and still managed to take uk size Ukraine territory with showels against western magical weapons. Wake up west is behind the third world
I wouldn't doubt that they have at least 10, but it's certainly not very convincing that they've started blurring out the numbers on the "new batches". Like you said, Russia lies constantly, so I wouldn't be surprised if these are old Felons posing as new ones
And if you don't see it doing what it says it can do.. it can't.
Lazerpig the guy that says stupid sht and gets humiliated frequently.
It's pretty obvious why the Russians aren't using them. The final engines, which produce more power and are more stealthy, haven't even reached production yet. Currently only low numbers of aircraft are being produced and they will almost exclusively be used for training and testing. It's still quite possible that they don't even go ahead with mass production. That's actually what happened to the Armata tank. They did some field tests, looked at what they had learned in Ukraine, sent it back to the drawing board for a redesign and in the meantime the Armata production line has been shifted to other vehicles.
Trustworthy information regarding how stealthy the Su-57 really is doesn't exist in public. The only thing we can 100% safely assume is that the materials are not as good as the western ones, but that doesn't actually affect low frequency radar all that much so it's more an issue regarding targeting radars and active seekers. So we can't really say how far away we will be able to spot it, only that it's somewhere between a gen 4-4.5 aircraft and a western gen 5 and that once we do it will be easier to lock on to. Ukraine has one of the most densely defended airspaces on the planet and when it comes to SEAD, if that is their main goal, then it would probably be a lot more resource efficient for Russia to just produce more long range anti-radiation missiles.
It's important to remember that Russian doctrine and western doctrine are different. If we evaluate their equipment based on our own usage methodology we are bound to misjudge them.
Well their claims about avalibility and the numbers that were going to be produced were so far removed from reality it is hard not to take everything they say with a massive grain of salt.
Russian doctrine in Syria is to have air supremacy within it's area or denial, so there is an overlap with western doctrine, yet they don't have air supremacy over Ukraine territory. Not using a so-called stealth aircraft to achieve this alludes to the Russians either not having faith in their aircraft' abilities or they don't have many/any to spare....their pilot numbers may also be a factor.
Exactly and first of all they don't need Su-57's to deal with Ukraine. Secondly, Russia has only just now managed to get the right engines for them so they can fly at supercruise. As you know, you can't be a stealth jet without supercruise.
That is not even the reason. The jet is simply undergoing state trials and occasionally launches some cruise missile or weapon at Ukrainian line near the border. It is foolishness to send an airframe you are not a master of to a combat ground out of pride. Russia is still learning the platform. Simple as that. Aside from that, everything else Russia has does the job they want.
@@rick7424 Those numbers are still going to be produced. As it stands 14 have been built for the Airforce. And another 52 are to follow in the next 3 years. (Most likely 30 or so, due to bad planning and supply chain delays for no apparent reason)
They have a seemingly never-ending supply of flying T-72 turrets to compensate for the lack of SU-57's, though...
I can imagine how you would shit yourself if you were taken by the scruff of the neck from your stuffed sofa and sent to Ukraine to fight against t72.
@@user-zz8pu5yu2x I’d have no problem fighting against T 72s. Not difficult at all. The trick is figuring the wind so you can avoid being hit when the turrets land
@@dhowe5180 do you think that Ukraine will mobilize an additional half a million people, because all the operators of the FPV and others are alive?
@@dhowe5180 Ukrainians seem to have problem enough.
@@user-zz8pu5yu2xloo.ruzzia already mobilized 1m and had 1m before war and gonna mobilize more. Waht are u talking about?😂
Please do a video about their fighter aircraft fleet, like the one with the attrition of the tanks.
Do you enjoy being spoon fed disinformation?
They don’t need to use the SU-57 because the T-14 Armata is currently flying stealth missions in Ukraine.
Your channel is pure quality. Wishing the CC team a very happy new year! Cheers dude!
Good, simple explanation of a very complicated topic. Thumbs up!
I hadn't realized just how little stealth the Su-57 offered. Getting detected at more than half the distance of a fourth-gen aircraft makes me wonder if the Su-57 might be better classified as a 4.5 gen aircraft.
0:42
"..and Russia has one, Su-57..."
**Su-57 on the screen smokes up like Kuznetsov
you just can't make this up
Tell me you don't know anything about Russian engines without telling me. The Su-57 uses the same engines on the Su-35, then being "Smokey" is a common and known thing.
Lol cope much? those are t-50’s not even actual su-57 production models and that’s just oil burning in the combustion chamber it’s actually quite common lasts like 3 minutes so doesn’t even matter
@@infinitetk4165 There's no cope involved in recognising that those engines are a previous generation of Russian technology and that the new improved engines to replace them still aren't ready for service.
Little known fact: Su-57 is the only stealth plane engineered to run on 100% mazut.
It's an affectation of old Soviet and later Russian engine designs that they burn quite rich (hence the soot) on startup. I've had the pleasure of seeing a MiG-29 taking off and it is one smokey bird. I initially thought an F-15 had suffered an engine fire until I noticed the tails were too far apart and this chimney with wings got airborne.
Curious....
I'd have expected that _at least_ one of the reasons for not using them would be that Ukraine now has NATO radars and AA missiles.
And flying it over Ukraine would be a _valuable_ date collection opportunity for the US and others.
Cuz if you can figure out what signature to look for, you can reprogram the radars to (hopefully) pick it up sooner/farther.
NATO has been operating AWACS and ELINT aircraft over the Black Sea and all along Russia's European borders so there's a good chance their long range radars and sensors have been monitoring Su-57 flights over Russian territory for some time now.
Russia has had them stationed in Kaliningrad, NATO has thousands of hours of radar tracking of the SU-57
@@johnlarsen0512Hell, they got unknown swathes of information from their deployment in syria as well.
@@johnlarsen0512 ah, I didn't know that yet - thanks! :)
(and a great 2024)
They aren't that low observable, when they get detected by western radars they'll know what they are from the start and be able to lock them up at long range.
Russia isn't using them in Ukraine because they have so few of them, they are reliant on parts that are made in the west so any losses can't be replaced and they still haven't worked the bugs out of the system. Russians love to talk about all their new wonder weapons, but the people in charge of these programs are usually from the Siloviki and are part of the state security apparatus not the military. Which means they are skilled in deception not weapons R&D. Which is why Russia seems to be producing so much vaporware under Putin.
Aaah, the Su57, the T14 of the sky 😂
Always very informative and thought provocing videos. Thanks and all the best for the new year!
incoming russian bots saying “they’re stealth!” “you won’t see them” as if footage of them being used wouldn’t be a staple of propaganda 😂😂😂
Thank you. Always well researched and professionally presented. Happy New Year!
In terms of them masking the tail number, I wonder if the digital camouflage is unique? Like the no stencil it’s just a person making squares. If so, might be able to identify from the camouflage. Like how they id whales from tail colour and bump variations.
Great thought, but at 7:45 it looks to me that the camo is identical.
The reason for masking the tail number is much more obvious. Those are not new aircraft. This is russia we are talking about. They fly planes in a circle over a parade and have tanks rotate around the square to make it seem that there's more of them.
General rule of thumb with muscovite tech/numbers - if they say they have dozens but you see 8, it's because they only have 8.
Annual production of the F-35 is 156 Units. Over 200 units have already been produced as of 2023. All delivered aircraft have a complete complement of pilots and support personnel.
soon that numbers will increase, a lot of countries especially Europe have just put in a massive orders the last 2 years to replace their old ones. Finland placed an order for 64 F-35 a year ago
450 units will be delivered to NATO partners by 2030. By 2030 the US will have an inventory of about 450-500 working airframes.@@youwho6692
This is why it kind of doesn't make sense to me why so many NATO countries are holding back major parts of their military inventory from being donated to Ukraine. Keep enough stuff to fight the next "south china sea" war if it happens, but the chance of Russia conducting a meaningful conventional war against NATO members is absolutely 0%.
They haven't got the people or equipment they need to make progress in the war they are *already* in, so going conventional war against NATO is implausible.
Almost 1,000 F-35 have been built and the US alone plans on having over 2,000 of them. It is far stealthier than the Felon and a better fighter all around.
💯💯@@julianbrelsford
The Su-57’s RCS isn’t even smaller than our 4th gen jets when they have RAM applied. Also, LO and stealth are interchangeable terms, except LO is the official nomenclature.
Source please? would love to read it
Souces trust me bro😅
this is nonsense. the us navy believes the opposite. they don't think they can detect the SU-57 with a F-35 (latest gen AESA) until they get within 40-50 miles of them. the vast majority of stealth is just geometry. and if they ever make the IR sensors a little stealthy with a better housing look out. you can see 4th gen fighters from hundreds of miles away with very old school radar ram or no ram.
now the navy rekons they can get within 15-20 miles before the f-35 can be resolved but there's nothing that can take out the su-57 but the fth gen American fighters. everything else in the world loses 1000 to zero. and since Russia doesn't go pushing its ideology all over the world and attacking everyone who doesn't fall in line with liberal-capitalism it's good enough for defense when they have ground radar to help them. f-35 is so small large wave radar can pick it up and vector in assets.
real RCS F22 in front projection 0.2-0.3 side projection 0.5, Su-57 approximately the same values from the front.
To protect against meter waves, you need a stealth coating thickness of at least 0.5 meters. You probably need at least half a decimeter from decimeter waves. As you know, F22 and F35 do not have a large thickness of stealth coating. The only US stealth aircraft was the F117 and it was useless and therefore discontinued (as was the F22).
As for Ukraine, then this video does not tell important details that sometimes lead to incidents. So you are being lied to everywhere here.
@@killianjudemisagal9754cant paste links here but google the official Sukhoi patents for the SU-57
i like the no bias of this channel, TY
Have yourself a Happy New Year Covert Cabal. Hope we both will celebrate this event for a many years to boot. Peace vf
The U.S. keeps deploying F117As in Iraq and Syria. It helps to have a deep bench of low-RCS options.
What? Why would they, especially since F117 has been retired.
There is no proof. Recent strikes against Iranian backed groups have been carried out by F-15Es, F-16s, and AC-130s as far as we know, but there’s no way they’d pull an F-117 back into combat since pilots are training against them in the states.
@@TB-zf7we That was during the Persian Gulf and Desert Strom.
Chocolate rain guy? The hell you doing here man LOL
@@BullGator-kd6ge His talking about the Persian Gulf war and desert storm.
5:40 - akhem - JDAM was also bolted on. That's the beauty of the idea.
You have a very honest, and what seems like a non biased take on these matters. I like that.
Thumbs up for using CMO, my favorite simulation!
Because the SU-57 exists primarily in Tom Clancy novels…
You spelled F22 wrong.
@@Xaq235 F-22s actually exist.
@@rick7424 the SU-57 is actually being used in combat. The F-22 was canceled and they're rushing to fill the gap with the F-15EX but I'm sure you'll parrot the USAF line of "it's too good; which is why we have to replace it with an older design until we can get something better"
Tom Clancy never wrote about the SU-57, and no the last one was 2003's Teeth of the Tiger, the 5 that followed were co written in part, mostly or in whole by other authors. All Tom Clancy books after 2013 were written by other Authors
bro f22 is actually good, its being replaced because its expensive AF to mass produce unlike the f16 f15@@Xaq235
You have to be careful with the numbering. It wouldn't be the first time that Russia has changed the numbers on their planes to give the illusion of more than they really have. That's what happened back then with the Yak 38
Probably blur the numbers because its too expensive to repaint stealth surfaces.
Nice video. keep them coming!
That you for the report, keeping it honest and based on facts.
I can tell you, the reason they are blurring out the tail numbers is not because the numbers are so embarrassingly high!
That su 57 climbing away towards the end of the video had engine problems with that left engine
Thanks, always great content.
Excellent analysis as usual! Thank you.
@CoverCabal I would really love quick analysis of the possible number of pilot casualties for Russia during the war, how that possible number compares to the available number of pilots Russia had pre-war and how sustainable those possible losses are, I would think that the limitations for Russian aviation, with its soviet legacy aircraft's, is skilled pilots not aircraft's..
they all suck or are dead/retired.
Think again
@@felipe-vibor about waht?
@@gawkthimm6030 pilot limitations. That's your thinking. If you watched Dubai airshow you'd know Russia has a pool of trained pilots in all it's ranks
@@felipe-vibor how large a pool? - numbers please
Glide bomb is also external carried and increase RCS, which make the plane not stealthy
Excellent, non-biased video.
Love your dedication mate, well done 👏🏾
The SU-57 is the stealthiest aircraft in existence because it never leaves the hangar.
The ñame of the game is CORRUPTION.
THE MONEY WAS USED BY PUTIN & Friends, enormous mansions and ships, light ladies, etc
If you use the SU-57, and it's not as stealthy as claimed, then your sales pitch evaporated overnight.
Without overseas sales, Russia will struggle to build more for itself.
P.S. I wrote this near the start of the video.
Love your videos. Unique to anything else I’ve found on CZcams.
I wanna say I appreciate you trying to give the most non biased approach and not jumping on the Su-57 rivet train.
LOL @ "non biased approach".
@@BenVaserlan well it's better than most so
@@Nero-Caesar Try melenium 7 star. Aerospace engineering degree and coder.
@@BenVaserlan yeah I love melenium 7 I'll have to check out the others thanks
Out of touch with reality comment
The SU-57 is just like the Armada T-14, both are JUNK
If you watch the Su fighter take off with the blurred numbers on it you will see the turbine on the left side flickers constantly
Starts at 8'07" and I was never an engine troop (avionics) but I have watched a lot of various jet engine runs and takeoffs and they ain't suppose to flicker. But bugs n glitches are to be expected with any new project and the Felon is a big project with a million things to be sorted out before they go to the RUF.
Private Kovalenko, i didn't saw you on the camo training this morning!
- Thank you, sir!
I think your videos are really good, i'd just wish you uploaded more often
Same reason they are not using the T-14: afraid that they will be made to look bad to potential customers.
They are in the same hanger where all the Armata’s are
The Su-57 does not even have S-shaped inlets that even some 4.5gen fighters (like the eurofighter) use to minimize RCS. It’s RCS is likely quite bad, also because it is quite big and only optimized for one radar direction.
Reportedly it has the same RCS as a clean FA18
You really don't know what you are talking about but it sounded good eh?
@@TheRealBillBob tell me where he is wrong?
I've seen photos that show that they install grates inside the inlets. Not sure if how widespread that is, or if its universal.
Your problem is you are stupid. You think there is only 1 way to solve a problem. The Su57 has RAM coated mesh doors that keep radar waves away from the engine blades. And the engines are placed farther back in the housing to reduce the intensity of the reflections. Learn the physics and stop with the assumptions..
Thanks for you work!
8:06 look at the Port (left) engine is it flickering or is it just me? I'm not an expert on Jets. Is that normal? Is it okay?
the Su-57 at ~1m2 Radar Cross Section isn’t really stealth, arguably just “low observable”, it’s an artisanal production line, no 2 aircraft are identical and don’t have the exact same spec
08:20 that engine sure looks healthy!
The fact that nobody want to buy this plane in a market that stealth is in hot demand speak volumes.
Meanwhile, my country has replaced their entire airforce with F-35 and given our F-16s to Ukraine.
Because they struggle keeping all 6 of them in working condition
something to keep in mind is that by russia's own published numbers the SU57 has an RCS comparable to an F/A18E/F super hornet. it's an improvement over a flanker but even by the standards of 20 years ago it's not particularly stealthy and isn't really trying to be despite how the ru MOD markets it.
Nobody has published ther RCS "numbers": First of all RCS is not a number, but a spectrum that changes with the attitude of the plane. Secondly RCS is top secret for all planes, even non-stealth oenes. Let alone most modern stealth planes. So ALL the talk about RCS this and that is pure speculation. The ONLY thing that can be said for certain is that USAF uses much more expensive RAM coating in the F35 (and to extent in F22), but that RAM coating has also drawbacks like being very averse to rain and does not work as well against large waveband radars.
@@user-dp4ok9ox5w thanks I wondered where people were getting this idea from. seems like pure propaganda.
Su-57 may have a frontal radar cross-section against airborne radars similar to a B-2 stealth bomber or 4th gen Gripen C jet fighter in a clean configuration (0,1m2) but Su-57 will have a much lower side profile than Gripen and its detectability would be further lowered one way or another due to a rather comprehensive jamming suite utilizing multiple radar arrays. In fact, as far as I know, no Western fighter is comparable in this regard, not even dedicated US "jamming" planes like Growler, not to mention that just flying low will make you invisible to the ground radars of most nations unless you got some early warning radar in high altitude, and even airborne radar has reduced detection range against low flying jets due to ground clutter.
So, all this trashing troll talk about the incompetence of the Russian aerospace industry is rather pointless. In all seriousness, the Su-57 can have the potential to be superior to the F-35 or even F/A-22 in direct AA combat due to its kinematic performance with new engines, multispectral sensors, and active radar/IR missile jamming because producing 5th gen air superiority jet fighter not capable doing so 20 years after the introduction of 5th gen jets of opposition would make little sense, especially when Mig 1.42/1.44 5th gen project was canceled as likely not good enough but due to lack of new missiles, questionable training, and overall lack of resources to get the most from their Russian tech, you can see how Su-57 can end when you look how Mig-29 performed with the underfunded armies of Middle East using export models with short-range missiles, and how Mig-29 performed in Ukraine, where it's flying to this day despite Russians operate arguably superior jets. These are among the reasons why Russia will not be in a hurry to send their newest tech into harm's way, not like there is a need for that against what Ukraine has...
@@ShortSpanChannel Yeah its pointlesss because Russia has only 4 planes big oof for midget vlad
THANK YOU for another great video!
Keep in mind that the Raptor RCS is the size of a GNAT. LOL! So ten times that with external weapons would be the size of a fly! 😨
Happy New Year, I'll see you'll on a frontline soon.
Remember the days when Ukraine didn't have western air defence? Russia supposedly has anti-radiation missiles too and they know what exactly a Ukrainian S300 can do, yet no Su-57 free rein. That tells me Russia doesn't have a 5th gen fighter. They call the Su-57 a 5th gen but of course there's no 5th gen police, I can call my paper airplane 5th gen because you can't see it on radar.
Rodger, correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that you think Putin is trying to destroy Ukraine. He's not. It's a joke to think that Ukraine can go up against Russia and win a protracted war.
more of a 4.5 gen then a true 5th gen like F22 and F35. China J-20 is probably way better than Su-57
But they will lose to NATO if Putin lives that long.@@desertodavid
Is that what it tells you? Is that your gut talking? Maybe you need to see a doctor for that gastro problem? 😂😂
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SU 57 is a stealth fighter only in Russian dreams 😂
Outstanding presentation 😊
Right on good video
My guess is the SU57 is not stealthy at all. It's a Hype-fighter, a naked emporer.
The old saying “It’s impossible for America to take out a squadron of Russian SU-57s……because Russia doesn’t have a squadron of SU-57s”
great work
Not a fan of this thing since the beginning, but my god what a great shot at 9:04 when this 57 takes off from the snowy runway.
Does the irregular flame pattern visible at 8:08 indicate poor engine performance? It occurs in only the port side engine.
Because only ten 10 test aircraft and 22 production aircraft were ever built.
So far only 10 of them have entered service with the Russian military.
It's kind of hard to deploy a squadron of SU-57s when you don't have enough of them to make a squadron.
There are 7 serial production aircraft and none of them are combat ready...
@@TrevorSachko I suspect they only exist as a demostration aircraft for potential buyers.
So if one of them is shot down , or just crashes from pilot error or malfunction over Ukraine , that will pretty much end any chance Russia had for exporting these planes...which isn't looking good to begin with.
@@glennchartrand5411 They will never export them. :)
@@TrevorSachko It's a 4th gen being passed off as a 5th gen
India backed out of the program when Russia refused to let them test the aircraft before buying it....because didn't want them to know how big the planes radar cross section actually is.
It's not a stealth aircraft , they only managed to reduce its radar cross section by about 50%
@@glennchartrand5411 Really? I would never have guessed....
The massive sarcasm quotes around the Su-57's "'stealth'" capabilities are probably why they are not being used. Can't sell them to other countries if they get blown up every time they go out, and Ukraine has been known to move a Patriot system or two around now and then. And Ukraine would absolutely prioritize taking one of those down if they thought one had been launched.
Great video !
I thought everyone knew by now that the SU-57 and SU-75 are both Potemkins
The Su-57 isn't stealth by the standards set by the likes of the F-22 and F-35. At best it's considered "low observable" tech.
Aside from the general shape of the airframe, there's an issue with the passive IR detection gear on the Su-57 in that it's only stealthy/low observable when it's inactive. When the sensor is inactive, it rolls over and the exposed part has RAM applied. Once it's active, and the sensor is facing out and can detect IR radiation, it becomes a large reflective surface to targeting radar and massively increases the cross section to opposing radar.
The F35 adopted a similar passive IR detection system, but it's much superior in that it's stealthy when active, and unlike the system on the older MiGs and Sukhois, it provides a 360 degree spherical coverage zone, where the Russians only face forward.
And, yeah, the Russians don't even have a full squadron worth of Su-57s, either production models or prototypes that might be pressed into service.
you forgot the engines suck
@@ruskiessuck3337 They just announced the start of serial production for the Su-57 stealth engine.
Why is ram not applied all over?
@@ibrahimmekonnen8259 Yeah but the Su-57 won't be mass-produced, they want to focus on the Su-75
@@gingernutpreacher if they knew how to do it they would. this airframe is 1980's...
Thanks!
Question, at 2:42. Is this just detection (low frequency RADAR) of an F-22 at 20KN, or is it tracking (High Frequency Radar) at 20KM? Because if tracking can't see it (and that would include the missile), it can't be reliably shot down.
After that SU-35 that was shot down and Ukrainians somehow got lucky and managed to capture a completely intact radar that survived the crash, i dont think Russia will be eager to send SU-57s into Ukraine. There was a video a while back claiming a SU-57 shot down a Ukranian SU-24 to the East of Kharkiv with a long range missile while remaining within Russian bordars but its honestly hard to believe .
really hard to believe 50km airshot lol
@@graymatterialist7076if the Su24 didn’t know another aircraft is hunting it, then 50 km shot is very possible. especially since Su24 may not have modern missile warning systems.
@@xsu-is7vq it was sarcasm, mate
What's the point of recovering it's radar?
@@chilbiyito Stealth aircraft make use of low probability of intercept (LPI) radar technologies that make their radar signals very hard to detect and jam because they constantly change frequency, use multiple frequencies at once and employ various other techniques that make radar emissions seem like background noise. Because of this they can operate in places where using older types of radar would light them up like a Christmas tree and negate the advantage of having stealth, and it lets them operate in environments where there's heavy electronic jamming.
Capturing a radar can reveal exactly how it hides its signals and defends against jamming so you can figure out how to detect and jam it. It can also give useful clues about other radars from the same product family or manufacturer. Radar tech is one of the most closely guarded secrets in modern military aircraft and maintaining that secrecy can be the difference between totally dominating the enemy's airspace and being unable to fly anywhere near it in case your planes get shot down.
The SU-57 is hiding away in the same shed as the Armata T14 tank.
These "wonder weapons" are so precious, so expensive, mostly still prototypes and Russia can't afford to lose any. That's why they've not even been allowed out and definitely nowhere near Ukraine.
I’ve loved your videos over the years. Always like will start to comment because you fell out of my feed
Thanks Covert Cable......
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They're SO stealthy, even the Russian pilots can't find them.
That's actually pretty good 🤣
Yup, there were 2 squadrons of them on the tarmac in the first satellite 🛰 photo. Russian stealth is awesome!
Nice breakdown man ! Much appreciated !
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@@TheRealBillBob Ironic considering how many comments you've made on this video. Keep defending the motherland, comrade
Many thanks to the author for the great video!
this video, like so many, think stealth is a material - thats only about 40% of what stealth is - the biggest diffeence between the F35 and F22 is what is emitted from the flying a/c (what its systems emit in the form of electro-magnetic emissions - radar, internal systems, comms, etc) - the F22 is designed to play on its own, its nickname is the 'little awacs', as it needs little help externally - the F22 uses a passive RWR to detect, it uses something akin to multiple super-computers onboard to fuse intel into usable facts - its RWR sees others radar, comms output and other noisey internal systems to detect another
but part of this stealth feature on the F22 is its mission systems computers, utilising all its fused intel into a means to help it get closer - if you can see a ground radar and identify what it is, then using detected frequencies (modes of use) you can calculate your RCS return to that radar and get much closer - the F22 uses something akin to CLOAR (Common Low Observable Auto Router) to calulate a stealthy approach onto a target or 'thread the needle' through a nest of ground / airbourne threats - this feature alone is probably worth 40% to stealth with the remaining percentage being keeping emission from onboard system to min - all these factors also take into account manourvers from your a/c, where the mission computer gives the pilot options - early prototypes of this mission computer came from the Pilots Associate Programme from R&D done back in the 80/90'see - the UK had its MMA programme
this is probably what the russian's are missing - this mission system capability for on-mission stealth - modern NATO computing whilst hidden in securey, probably utilises modern GPU computing (you can buy versions of todays NVidia GPU's for airborne military use), where a nest of these processing elements could run 10's of thousands of RCS predictions against a emittor to calculate a possible route to get closer
the US flys at 5k alt, whilst the Uk plays at around 50m+ (or lower) using terrain to mask its approach - the US has numbers, whilst the UK has far less numbers - Storm-Shadow shows this effect, as it is designed to fly very low using terrain masking to hide its flight, the US launches high
even UK and US cruise missiles come with mission systems to calculate mission profiles, were these need to be done before the weapon can even be used
whilst the SU-57 may have stealth material in its makeup, we do not know if it has an effective on-board mission system to utilise these capabilities - i think NOT - why do both the UK and US train so hard and so constantly - we just do not see this from the Russian pilots - and why are there so few SU57's - i suspect an indication came from India when it pulled out of the SU57 programme quoting tech exchange issues and not coming close to what was advertised by russia
Russian does not produce its own computing tech for adv computing - its rumoured to be around 80nm, whilst just commericial computing in the WEST is around 4nm from home grown industrys, so god knows what military levels are - both the UK and US use federated computing (distributed computing) around the a/c to do adv computing, then factoring in new AI computing tech into the mix on these computing systems
Russia may have AI computing tech understanding, just not as much hardware to implement it on for flight system given sanctions - this was one of the best decisions that the US / UK / EU made in limiting such adv computing maufacture to be shared outside of their regions - Russia can buy, could have bought once such computing boards, just not in any great numbers anymore
They have mastered the art of invisibility!😂
Well, for one SU-57 is only a stealth aircraft in propaganda, in reality they have a +1.5 meter radar cross section, so they are clear targets at 160 km range, meaning they are destroyed before registering they are targeted.
They're so stealthy that you can't even see it with naked eye.
Great vid. Put it this way, They're not blurring the tail numbers to make us think they've got fewer than they really have.
One thing I will say for Russian planes, they give them really sexy paint jobs.