MSI WINNER LOCKS WORLDS | Caedrel Reacts To MSI Format Explainer
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He tried to sneak rogue in there lol
He thought he was slick đđ
Talk all you want but they eliminated TES đđ
@@noonythelessy1648Nah that was GAM
@@noonythelessy1648 still can't accept the truth that LEC sucks?
@@noonythelessy1648lmao does bruh even watch the worlds himself
Win MSI and become the UNKNOWN
I did a double take on the slogan... đ too. It is word salad for me.
This right here... Even riot is saying MSI doesn't matterđđ
Become the UNKNOWN to win MSI.
Unknown strategies and tactics.
@@jentele1 Nope, they released the MSI trailer today. I understood it better after seeing the trailer - It is "Enter the unknown, become the darkness". Vibe is so evil with Nocturne. They released the Empyrean skins too. "Become the Unknown, Light is Fading". is it an appeal to the "Darkside"? Since "Gods" were launched last year... It would make sense if there would be an opposing side/force (darkhorse).
â@@abhisheklokare7798 They LITERALLY are trying to emphasize the importance of MSI by rewarding the top 2 spots. The whole argument for Valorant being a better tournament esport is due to the format and 3 tournaments per year system. If riot wants to bring back the viewership, they need to emphasize other tournaments other than World. Potentially slot in the third tournament in between.
Would have agreed to the rat's point in the end but he tried to sneak fricking Rogue. LMAO.
2:14 I have a good guess about why "Become" was used for Unknown
So in Chinese, like many other Asian language,
a lot of words are used for different nuance in different sentences.
I suspected that this phrase was a translation from Chinese to English
,since the MSI is held in China, Rito is US immigrant in China now, and all.
Then it all started to make sense to me.
There's this word that is never used in real life, but always used in certain field, äžćŻè§Ł .
äžćŻè§Ł: inexplicable , insoluble
(dumber word unknown)
This word äžćŻè§Ł
is used quite often in KR JP CN to describe something that is just
impossible to beat
or
with level of skill one cannot even imagine
, especially in medias like game/novel/TVshows that involves competitive mindset.
Hence, the phrase Become the Unknown
Just a guess from someone with Asian background.
Thanks, makes sense now.
They could've went for become the unbelievable / impossible (incomprehensible is too long)
Even just become a puzzle would be... less obvious at making no sense.
Ahhh, makes sense now, though if you're right then they totally botched the translation lmao then again, it sounda like there really isn't a good word for it that would also sound catchy.
Honestly to me as a Sci-fi fan it's pretty logical even in english. Humanity's nr.1 fear always is the unknown. So you becoming the unknown just means you're becoming the thing everybody fears and doesn't know how to beat.
It makes no sense to me. Iâm a native speaker and I have no idea what you are talking about
Bro is cooked. This is a horrendous slogan for a tournament that is supposed to be the second best tournament of a whole year.
Mandarin is my mother tongue and this slogan makes no sense in Mandarin & English.
Faker solo name hide in bush, so his position is "unknown", hence become the unknown means becoming faker, who is the GOAT,hence become the GOAT. RIOT big brain.
how is it unknown if he tells us where hes hiding
love the stretchđ
â@@Choob1bcz he is not telling which bush
@@abhisheklokare7798 Yes, you have names for each every bush in the summoner's rift. Smart guy.
become the unknown
fade into obscurity lmao
Heh good one
Quickshot not explaining feels so strange
If there was double elim in worlds we wouldnt have DRX godlike run imo
They would reach at least grand finals so it is one BO5 away from winning so not that unlikely tbh
and wbg in finals lmao
why not? other games with double elim have had crazy underdog stories all the time.
They just win from winner bracket. They didnât lose in knockout stage
Maybe we would. They won EDG, GenG and T1, 3 strong teams, unlike the wbg frauds who only won blg
Such a good change to get the whole region behind their teams even if itâs not their usual team
Thatâs such a good reason actually. Iâm liking it more now
for additional info
the default slots for Major region are only 3
Le's say T1 win MSI they guaranteed themselves at Worlds and LCK got 4 spots (T1+three LCK teams)
second best regions also get extra slots
Yeah, itâs not the 2nd place team, itâs second place region. Still 4 seeds each. Would be cool if LPL/LCK had to duke it out for the others seed.
Idk first thing i thought of was how people fear the unknown. If that's what they were going for then whoever wins becomes something everyone fears. The problem with that is that you aren't really unknown if you win an international title đ
I think there should be a series reset if the team from winners bracket loses in grand finals. But scheduling would be a nightmare.
Its the same its always been with the only difference being that the winner auto qualifies to worlds. Its always been the 2 best performing regions at MSI get 4 seeds.
When worlds tickets announcement ? During MSI ?
"double elims remove miracle wins" That is the actual point and exciting thing about tournaments, DRX potentially would not have won worlds if that was the case and thats what made their win special. "I can see more games, more best of 5s" yeah thats whats boring about LOL tournaments now, you get burnt out of 50 matches of random play ins teams boring you before you get to the actual balanced matches.
"before you get to the actual balanced matches." Last worlds T1 went 11-1 against the 4 lpl teams in a row, that was onesided as hell, but you will not hear me say it was boring just because it was onesided. (And they stomped all their games except Games 2 and 3 vs JDG, so 10 out of 12 stomps)
Exactly, why even have the tournament then, we already know who is winning that. Just watch asian rift rivals or something. Thats what is the problem with msi for me now. Last year felt bad, because it was already known that its going to be t1 vs jdg or what was it in finals. Thats it. Sure as a pro player as a masters plus player it probably is more exciting to watch more quality games, but for 99% of us other plebs with jobs and limited time for entertainment i better take the worlds format, makes it more exciting
@@tomsrudzitis4942 bro nobody is forcing you to watch it. Pro players grind 15 hours a day for whole year and they deserve double elim at the biggest trounament of the year. Just look at the last years shitshow, JDG literally lost 1 bo5 whole year and they didnt get a chance for a revange vs T1 and there are bunch of ppl calling them failures/chokers. Imagine yourself in their shoes.
@@azrrrrrrrr and also without spectators there would be no pro play, so quite shit argument if what you are arguing is that a shit experience for spectators is necessary to make it a LITTTLE BIT more fair for the players
@tomsrudzitis4942 shit expirience? Absolutely not single elim is shit expirience. Nobody is forcing you to watch extra games while lots of fans would love to see those extra games. Especially when worlds i premier tournament and we only get 7(!!!) Bo5s ina month long tournament. LPL playoffs go to 7 bo5s in 10 days.
I laughed so hard when Caedrel said GenG winning an international! xDD
the red filled the scream really make my eyes uncomfortable
for anyone confused the top two performing regions both get an extra team, but only the winner locks worlds. so yea it would probably be 3 LCK, 3 LPL --> 4 LCK, 4 LPL
Really excited for chovy's son
The good thing with worlds' format is that we can have an upset, a lower team (but still a good one) can win
i guess you have a point, but then they should at least swap parts of the msi format with worlds, worlds is way more important and serious, so its format should be more serious about who is actually best
Why worlds have the bad format and MSI has this godlike format, like winning MSI is actually harder and more prestige than winning worlds.. it should be other way around, plz Riot make worlds atleast double elim plz.
Why is this good that a team which is not even the best in the world gets to luck out in the right time and be called the best team in the world by pleb cretins like yourself? What even is the point of having international tournaments if not to determine the best. The point should be to have the best format to determine that. From a competitive standpoint ofc. But clearly business wise and for having shits and giggles its better to have a dogshit format that can generate storylines and narrative for the ppl since they dont give a fuck about anything else apparently.
Worlds has that format because riot wants T1 to win. T1 hasnât won double elim internationally.
â@leevimasalin2301 it's been like this
Oh god...the Aurelion game...
champion and runner up region gonna be LPL and LCK, it will definitely happen
Double elimination is good but it also punishes the team that wins all their matches if they lose finals the one best of five they donât get a rematch kinda sucks for that team since every other team got another chance. The team in finals should get a rematch or a one free win in the best of 5 to make it worth it.
100%. I love double eliminations for the reasons Caedrel stated, but the team fron the winner's bracket not gaining a meaningful advantage is bad. And before anyone says it, another day to prepare and side selection aren't nearly comparable to being able to drop an entire series.
This is why I like bracket resets to give the winners bracket winners an advantage
@@maleldil1 They do gain a meaningful advantage, they play less games, and thus both have less chances to lose and make it harder to prep for them, whereas the losers brackets teams have to show strats to beat more competition.
If there was no meaningful advantage, then you might as well lose the Winner's Final game and just beat the other team in the Loser's Finals to get momentum.
This is actually because here they are using a "wrong" double elimination bracket, I believe dota 2 also uses a double elimination bracket but the winner of the top bracket gets a second BO5 finals if they lose. Which would mean every team would have to lose 2 games to be out. However probably league/riot doesn't want to do this since it can lead to 2 bo5s in a row with the same teams.
â@@megamert2848yeah double elim is trash without bracket reset since before going to grand finals everyone has extra life while the team that wins only have 1.
The tagline is clearly is a China 1st tagline and translated to English
basically the biggest argument against double elim is that the team who won all the BOs to the final only had one chance compare to the team climbed from losers bracket (they have 1 GA), unless you allow a rematch if the winner bracket team loses, but that would be a big turn off to the audience if it doesn't favor their supporting team.
Thatâs exactly the issues it punishes the winning team. They need a rematch or they need to be give advantage point in the best of 5 basically one free win.
â@@Prominence237 the winning team plays less games, have more time to practice and have more information on the enemy
@@shahzaadshaikh871 thats a normal thing that double elim has. its not a fair advantage, u can also argue saying - playing more stage games makes you better then just watching and practicing- no team is taking that over being able to lose 1 b05 hahahahah. would you rather play less games or not be hindered by losing 1 BO5 ?????????
You don't understand the format. The winners play less games which automatically increases the likelihood of winning. It is still a best of 5 in the end. All teams have one chance to win the tournament in the end. But the must prove that they deserve the chance and the winning team proves it in less games.
@@robertmusil1107 U by definition you dont understand what double elimition means. 2 GAMES TO GET ELIMIATED = DOUBLE ELIMINATION, u imbecile. BUT THIS FORMAT IS BY DEFINITION NOT A DOUBLE ELIMINATION BECAUSE ONLY THE LOWER BRACKET TEAM GETS THE ADVANTAGE THE UPPER BRACKET TEAM PLAYS SINGLE ELIMINATION.
Double elim is good for co streamer since they got the viewership, but single elim is healthier for the environment or whatever it is called.
Well Play in is a nightmare for those team fight against t1 and tesđ
Become the unknown is refer to "Become Poby the goat" because he became unkown after the 1-7 incident
I missed the old Msi events and all star.
So its gonna be LCK, LPL both 2nd Seeds and COPIUM for FNC and something else
flyquest is better than FNC and TL is better than G2 this year
@@warvex8079 ok xd
@@warvex8079âTL is better than G2 this yearâ xdd, bro this TL lineup lost to a literal minor region at worlds, dont even put G2 and TL at the same sentence. G2 is fighting in different league, trying to beat asian teams like in worlds, G2 could win games against GEN G, BLG, DK and WGB, while NA lost to a literal minor region without getting a single win against the east, the whole region, got zero wins against the east. Never put G2 and NA at the same sentence.
â@@leevimasalin2301g2 lost to nrg
â@@MZGael1 it's funny bc this is the NA vs EU discussion ender until EU prove themselves again
The best way to make double elimination bracket finals fair is if the winner of upper bracket gets to have one extra game to comeback if they happen to lose meaning it turns into a best of 7 and upper bracket team has to get 4wins from here on, it would be total 7 games played if it goes all the way.
example : Team A (upper bracket) vs Team B (lower bracket)
Team B 3 : 0 Team A (Team A now have their one game chance to make it into a bo7)
Team B 3 : 4 Team A (Team A did a reverse sweep and won)
The chance to turn it into a Bo7 is only viable for the upper bracket team meaning if Team A won 3:0 3:1 3:2 then they still win while lower bracket basically need 4 win games.
This should probably make everyone feel that its fair for both the winners and losers as theres no legit excuses to be made.
lil bro forgot Damwon
I kept thinking that double elims is always better at every aspect than single elim but will have one flaw if a bracket reset isnt added. Lets say for example last year, t1 won everything and that would be upper bracket finals, everyone in the lower bracket gets a 2ND chance and JDG would then proceed to beat t1 or heck even gen g in the finals. Now keep it in mind these 2 teams(gen g or jdg) had 2 lives to have an attempt to b the best in the world and t1 only gets 1? that would reduce fairness in the game now there is the argument that upper bracket typically always wins, an example wwould be JDG msi last year they win upper finals and grand finals but who is to say that it would be fair if on the chance a lower bracket team wins having 2 lives essentially and while the one on the upper bracket only has 1 chance, plus in this case as caedrel said more bo5s is better so why shouldnt there be a bracket reset then if the upperbracket team lost? that would add another bo5 wont it?
I agree that double ellims is always better but iim just saying it would be more fair to the teams participating if there would be a bracket reset if the team in the upperbacket loses the grand finals 'once' agtainst the lower bracket team as the lower bracket had another chance for a run and the upperbracket doesnt given the current way riot implements it.
I am not taking into account broadcast schedules i know but riot should just embrace whole day broadcast rather than a few hours for a grand event. but idk i havent looked into broadcast details so i cant say much in this, but my focus is more on the tournament format.
Yeah , i think they should add a BO1 match if the upper team loses the grand final , it would make things fairer in my opinion
bracket reset is hard because it would be a lot harder to 1) manage schedules and 2) sell tickets on grandfinals and another grandfinals that might or might not happen
works for fighting games because they can just play another set right after but for a game like league itâs extremely unprobable to have a bracket reset
So by your logic T1 shouldn't be at MSI right now right?
I think at worst they should have losers bracket team need to win 4 games
Double elim are always gonna be less exciting then single elim tho. Since the losing team always get a second chans.
3:47 bro caedrel don't sleep on estral
Maybe if weâre lucky the implication with there now being new possible slots from MSI is that the worlds format will also be in some way different
Worlds format is same as last year, there will be some small tweaks to seeding but they aren't gonna change it massively again like hey did last year.
Pretty on brand that he managed to pause a 2 minute video 14 times before completing it
Whatever is hiding in the bush is always unknown
ojito con estral
I still don't like that it's only double Elim until grand finals. Seems weird that you can lose a set against a team and then beat them once and win the tournament
They mean the winners of MSI get to play 'tHE unKNOWN' in the Willy Wonka event.
Wait, so now already there are 4 LCK and 4 LPL, so if we will have LPL vs LCK finals, in worlds we will have 5 LPL and 5 LCK? So how long it till worlds will just be purely LCK vs LPL?
3 slots for each major region by default. Extra slot is for the fourth seed like every single year before. fourth one has always been the extra seed.
3:13 this was the exact same as last year. what is he trying to hype up lol
Imagine winning every bo5 until the Grand Finals
And then lose to somone that already lost 1 bo5 while you lose once and you don't have a second shot
Lowkey they should just put 2 lec and 2 lcs in wild and then put all LCK and lpl in the normal bracket. Itâs basically guaranteed that east makes it out and itâll be more fun to see more lec vs lcs
5 LEC spots we are getting MAD Lions at Worlds AWARE
Bro imagine GenG, T1, HLE, DK, KT at worlds
You have to believe Laure paid off riot cas she know KT gonna choke and get 5th đ
I imagined it, dk and kt are getting rolled by g2 even and hle is kinda beating them while competing with lpl 3 and 4. So wtf are we so excited about again?
@@Alejandro-xk5ej 1 step at a time dude, G2 needs to get out of groups first.
It can't be 5, 2nd best region gets one more spot for Worlds.
Bro has no comprehension for being called "logicman" xD
2nd best region btw, there will not be 5 teams
unknown teams
unknown plays
unknown players
The slogan is weird but I think they mean become something nobody knows about, like picking fucking Taric mid or some shit and winning
âBecome the Unkownâ so you dont get DDoSâd LMAO
where my lco seed
Estral va a ganar el MSI
Josedeodo gankeando y tilteando a Faker en la final del msi
@@castel7421 JosedeoGod enseñandole de lol al sobrevalorado Faker, se dice y no pasa nada
đ si me rei
This double elim. is a joke , not match reset in finals
My only take from this is more "low quality" games. More games sure but not exactly the top of the table kind. Also kinda dumb that the one that losers can have an upset potential and the winners are one-and-done should they lose once.
0:00 Bro am I the only one mistakenly heard "loli sports video" đđđ
Become the unknown = cursed to not win world
It's actually so sad worlds doesn't have double elim
I actually think that's better because Worlds is the biggest and grandest prize of the year for League E-sports
@@legendaryplatypus Yes but the current worlds format doesn`t allow for the best teams to make it to the finals. Hence we get completely horseshit series like Weibo vs T1 last worlds.
@@noahg1121 I like your take, WBG may have won against BLG but it doesn't mean that they're the better team overall hence the double elim bracket is good too but seriously, Worlds being a single elim format puts so much at stake because if you want to take the trophy, you gotta become the best at every game. It's like pushing every ounce of your soul onto the limit to win and yeah, double elim sounds cool and is definitely a good system to add at Worlds.
So who was more deserving then weibo then? They beat blg who beat geng g jdg lost semis so your point?â@@noahg1121
@@legendaryplatypus I mean, I can see your point, but single elimination is just inherently flawed due to the random draws and unbalanced brackets. Take last years MSI as a case study. If BLG was eliminated by JDG and didn`t get to go through the lower bracket, they never would have made their incredible run against the LCK, and all Western teams were out instantly. Single elimination is just inherently poor for the competitive aspects of Worlds, since you aren`t guaranteed to see the best teams in finals.
,,Become the unknown"? Wtf is this đ
No..nooo... Let me mention the lock for worlds,so does that mean.. whoever teams win locks world? So it's an unbiased ticket...so if for example LJL wins which only bring one team at worlds manage to lose in summer in the LJL it would come down to the ticket given in MSI so there would be a 2 seed for LJL? But what about the counterpart if the first seed of LJL is the winner of MSI and win the LJL summer does the ticket is still have any meaning at all? Like does it still allowed one more team from your same region to go in worlds?, because like caedrel said there could be a 5 lck or lpl on worlds if it can still be redeemable if they won summer
In that case the second seed LJL would also qualify for worlds
hehe, I don't want to tell you both what it happened to the LJL.
Also, you don't really pay attention to the videos, right?
Nice now we would have 5 lpl/lck teams in worlds
We should, NA and EU needs to be abolished if they would keep playing the way they do... Like bruh, is it that hard to train their players? Problem with NA and EU is that they dont think long term, they are always superteam this, superteam that without caring about team chemistry which results to underwhelming performances...
Riot thinks they're elsa or smthg with that slogan or what
ahh "Double" elimination format. When one team that wins every series except the grand finals xdd
Double elim, esp without a bracket reset, is one of the worst formats in competitive anything and the fact so many people love to see more games from terrible teams just for the 0,001% chance that a non LCK/LPL team manages to win off lower bracket is beyond me.
Double elimination is trash. Maybe the best team ends up winning sure, but there should be a penalty for getting bounced early even if you are the best team. It's what makes it exiting.
Its trash to the people who likes underdogs that get a miracle run like DRX fans when they won, It is good for the people that want to see the actual best team win rather than a team that gets lucky...
Imagine being a playins team and your opponent is the reigning world champs lmao.
Looking forward to Faker smashing all the minor region mid laners
Yeah double elim good until the finals cuz the team from upper bracket cant lose while every other team had the advantage of the second chance and learn from their loss. Its just not fair
Or you could have another MAD
I still don't get hoe double elimination is fair. Let's say team A blasts team B 3-0, then team B get's a second chance and goes to losers bracket. Then they win and meet again team A at finals and they win them 3-2. How is that fair to team A? They won 3-0 then lost 3-2 but no second chance for them they are second. How does that make sense???
Explanation: Let's say T1 wins MSI. This means KT Rolster (currently 4th) will get a chance to participate which means this specific team is the unknown. Same applies if for what reason FNATIC wins MSI.
If Faker wins MSI.
The slogan would be incredibly ironic.
G2 vs Geng
5 sees is unbalanced, u cant give that much adv to a region, tbh riot already gives SO MUCH adv to china and corea (super servers, many teams, private server for a small country, 2nd tier league with resources, etc etc), NA and EU will never reach them bc riot doesnt want them to do so
Become the Unknown... Even riot is saying winning MSI doesn't matterđđđ
cant help with braindead people like you who are so eager to lay the excuses for T1 if they fail.. They literally emphasized the importance of msi by rewarding top 2 and here we are talking about MSI doesn't matter.
Single elimination is better for two reasons. A team who wins all the way to finals should have equal opportunity to lose as the team who has already lost. Winning should never be punished like that.
Second: losers should be out. Double elim is only a thing in esports because viewership dies if good teams lose. Every actual tournament teams should show up to win on the day, and if you don't you don't. You're done.
Pretty much this, less stakes are less fun. Unless you are always rooting for the favourites.
my PSG will destroy ur fnatic my guy
maple will carry (copium)
MYREGION PCS will devour their Fraudnatics xdd
Doesnât locking in Worlds this early ruin a bit of competitive integrity because that team knows they go to worlds no matter what happens in the rest of the year?
double elimination is bad af
5 LEC spots đ€Ąđ€Ąđ€Ąđ€Ąđ€Ąđ€Ą
Double Elimination format sucks for League because the Upper Final team has to beat the same team they already beat to make finals twice to win the trophy. Whereas the other team only has to beat them once to win the trophy. Games like Valorant balance this issue by giving the Upper Final Team 2 map bans and the Lower Final Team 0 map bans. But League there is no such advantage you just play one less series and get extra time off which imo isn't even an advantage cause you can get rusty from not playing and the other team can build momentum from their previous series that they take into the finals.
They get side selection game 1.
They get side selection which is very good since we have sometimes literally 5 blue side wins
â@@WilliamLloydBevanside selection that you can get on coin toss?? đ thats not a huge advantage than having another life. Look at worlds finals 2023 blue side really is good đ
@@radekhruby142 nah to make it even remotely comparable they would need to get side selection in 3 games at least
I agree, that shit of "become the unkown" is dumb as fuck tbh. I dont know why or who decided to name this MSI that way, but they must be the same people who created Kasante, just dumb.
Wait, so if LCK wins MSI, the worlds rep for LCK would be:
T1 (4x worlds champ)
GEN.G (4x LCK champ in a row)
GEN.H (a.k.a. HLE)
DK (2020 world champs + Showmaker playmaking maker)
KT (Frauds) --> if Finals are both LCK
And LPL would be:
BLG
TES (?)
JDG (?)
It's doomed guys, Copium supplies running low.
If you have a single brain cell working properly, you should know 4th seed has always been the extra seed. There will be no 5th seed. 3 teams for each major region. Top 2 performing regions in msi get 1 extra slot for 4th. Best team locked for world.
@@martin32074 why so hostile mate lol? I guess i tunnel visioned, thought i saw and heard "2nd best team", guess it was "2nd best region"
"Become the unknown" is for the LOSING TEAMS đđ
hot take: whenever i se a series that goes to 5 games i already know T1 is going to lose, 8 times our of 10
Mark my words the cblol team (probably is going to be Loud) will beat FNC
Anyone arguing against double elimination is just stupid plain and simple
double elim with no bracket reset ??????? only lower bracket teams benefit from double elimination, if you win every game from the upper bracket and lose 1 game gg.
Bracket reset is bad since it would take too long unless Bo3 instead of Bo5, and if u want the reset on another day, that means the organizers will have to prepare for smth that isnt even guaranteed. A Bo5 or even a Bo7 w/ a free win to the UB Finalists is the best choice
@@Kyong008 it doent matter if itâs bad or good. By definition it would not be double elimination for the upper bracket team, itâs literally single elimination for them.
DOUBLE Elimination but upper bracket team loses 1 bo5 and goes home
lower bracket team loses 1 Bo5 stays in the tournament.
how stupid does this sound ?
hate the fkn redness
Does T1 become a bunch of randoms if they win đ€Ł
look i love fnatic, but if estral beats them im gonna be so fking happy lmao
Fnatic won't lose to LLA, that's a feat only G2 can accomplish
single elim is great for worlds, I love the stakes. I dont care if the best team wins
No even with single elim the Best team does win, its just that the 2nd 3rd and other place are very unclear
Yeah, so great. Worlds finals were so awesome!
thats the worst format ever so many match ups that are never gonna happen now with all this 1 match changes
ruined another torny roit good job worlds was a joke now msi is following it
caedrel!, double elim makes the team that didn't lose a single match suffer or have unfair treatment, unlike the other team that have 1 chance to continue
Exactly , it would be fair and maybe better to decide the best team if they had a match reset in the finals as any double elim. game competition , like fighting games
well no, the team that didn't lose a match still had the extra chance just didn't use it.
The day that worlds has double elim playoffs is the day where a lot of the previous worlds winners get an asterisk placed on them.
*I only started watching LoL esports in 2016, which is why 2015 and previous arent on here.
2016: ROX could have won instead
2017: LZ or RNG could have won instead
2018: KT could have won instead
2019: SKT could have won instead
2020: TES or JDG could have won instead
2021: T1 could have won instead
2022: JDG, EDG, Gen G, or DK could have won instead
2023: Gen G, BLG, or JDG could have won instead
All the teams I mentioned were eliminated before finals, which is why I didn't say DK for 2021, G2 for 2019, SKT for 2017, etc.
Also, I'm not saying that these were better outcomes, I'm just saying double elim could have opened a lot of doors for other teams to win the tournament.
True
No one cares about what could have happened. Tons of sports have regulations, points tally and format changes, no one cares about "if then".
@@falinestixiaolong9691 "no one" is a bit extreme, no? No matter what, every sport has historians and a fanbase supporting that historian.
For example, in the NBA, a lot of people like to tarnish Steph Curry's or Kevin Durant's legacy because they said one needed the other. Or how a lot of people say that Michael Jordan's rings don't matter as much because of the drastically low level of play at the time.
I agree that League doesn't really match that to an extent, but it's fun to discuss the "what if"s when talking about the history of League esports.
Is it just me or their attempt at reproducing Valorant style announcements mixed with league gameplay looks like dogwater ?
Also, become the unknown ? Really ? Go from a known team to randos, yeah that sounds great.
Double elim is so good. MSI will give us a better finals than Worlds
the double elim is cool but isn't realistically that much better than worlds. yes, teams have more chances to show their best performance, but you talk about worlds format being about momentum when the lower bracket is literally a momentum builder in itself. a team can have a randomly good day after lower bracket redemption, it doesn't necessarily determine who's better overall either. "who's better on the day of competition" is a thing in every competitive sport. literally the same thing, but in a different package.
Double elim removes a part of the randomness of "who was the better that day" since you have to lose twice to be out
This is shit is so fucking braindead its almost equvivalent to the "since when are we using our eyes to determine good" take
Except that finals is single elim? You lose finals, you lose finals
You only get double elim if you actually lose prior to finals..
@@johnkirk1772 well we cant change that without removing finals, which isnt really an option. Also the team that didnt lose before finals has the advantage of side selection in game 1 usually
It depends what you want. If you want the two best teams and the most exciting finals, then double elim is the best. If you want upsets where underdogs can have a better shot and higher stakes, then single elim is the best.
It's crazy to me that League fans are the only people talking about double elim. In the NFL, you play 1 game and if you lose, you're out. The UEFA CL is a BO2, and the NBA and MLB are BO7 single elim, and I don't hear anybody crying about double elim. Like, you have 5 games (minimum of 3) to showcase that you are the better team. I get that anyone can have a bad game, but if you have 3+ bad games, then I'm sorry, you deserve to go home. People talk about competitiveness or competitive integrity; do we really want to reward the teams that gave us subpar performances? In fact, it ruins competitive integrity by not rewarding the team that never lost (side selection bitch pls). Imagine if the damm FIFA World Cup was double elim - how long and boring would that be knowing that some hype matchups have ZERO stakes. There's a reason why the T1 vs JDG series at worlds was WAYYYYY more hype than the one at MSI, even if the series at MSI went to 5 games; it's cuz loser is out, and both teams brought their A game for it.
u cannot compare physical sports to esports lmao. The only things getting tired in esports are brains and hands, in physical sports, it's the entire body
What are you yapping about
What are you yapping about. Physical sports are very different from esports. They arent comparable. Almost every prestigious esport besides LoL has double elim.
@@harish5724 they have double elim the fair way lmao, lol double elim fucks over upper bracket team and allows the lower bracket team to lose 1 bo5. upper bracket team cant lose. where is fairness ?
@@robelbeyenemayzser5312 They get side selection and can play fewer games while other team has to play more, reveal more strats, and doesnt get side selection. Just look at dota. They have a much much better format with double elim in a moba.
if one region reaches finals, then wtf we could potentially get 5 teams from one region theoretically--
it says best and second best performing region so that means the slots will always be awarded to different regions.
im sure it said "second best placing region" in the video
@@sabujghatak1884 Let's say hypothetically it's G2 vs TES and T1 vs BLG in semi finals and both LPL teams advance to finals, any clue on what the decider between LCK and LEC would be?
I'm thinking Lower Bracket Finals would lock it in, as the loser in that series determines 3rd place. Whichever among LEC or LCK that is in there. Assuming both LPL make it to Grand Finals, whichever region lost in Lower Bracket Finals is 3rd place, giving the slot to their region.
â@@omarjafar846that cant happen. Loser of the upper bracket semi finals plays in the loser bracket finals, so you would only ever have 3 teams between the upper bracket semis, upper bracket finals (or overall finals if you will) and loser bracket finals
This is a terrible slogan