The Cheating Situation In Rocket League
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- Hackers and cheaters in Rocket League are getting so common that it's actually a serious issue at this point. Pro players in the RLCS are talking about it every day now. Psyonix definitely needs to do something fast. There are 3 different kinds of hacks/cheats we're talking about today.
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I am so baffled and disappointed at the fact that Psyonix and Epic Games still haven't done anything about most of the cheating situations in Rocket League. They have been slowly getting worse and worse over time and this past month was the true tipping point for it all. The top 100 leaderboards are filled with cheaters of all sorts. Psyonix is banning some of them occasionally but missing others entirely. Rocket League used to be one of the only competitive games out there with no hackers or cheaters. Nowadays, Rocket League is filled with cheaters and hackers, particularly at the highest rank. It's even preventing pro RLCS players from practicing how they want. Psyonix and Epic Games, please do something about it and communicate with your community.
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At this point, its time as epicgames to take the rest of psyonix devs every paycheck!
And epic games should let fall this game to its ground 0!
idgaf what u thinkin!
They never were so far away of listening to community as of todays age!
only shitty skins, more skins, look new car, more trash skins, skins, skins, another trashcar with the same bs hitbox, skins skins....
@@DYNAMiXRap you good bro? You can delete it but that doesn't mean everyone else is going to bc you're upset with the game. We are too, we hear ya.
I guess there is a benefit to me being stuck in diamond 1. No one's cheating to stay there. 😂😂😂
Same and I’m on Xbox with cross platform disabled
Plenty of Smurfs in Diamond. It's obnoxious.
Diamond is pain on pc
@@hsharky8437 now imagine being champ 2 and got servers dying one by one
Fr im in champ 2 and havent seen any of this ingqme
Remember when it was 2020? playing rocket league at home, looking for someone to trade, no cheaters and exploiters, Justin garrett squishy are still together, RLCS are booming... ahh good ol' days...
now screw today's rocket league
Ah yes, the good old NRG
Nothing will touch the earliest era of 2015 and early 2016 before Flip Resets.
Game played entirely differently and was such a laid back experience by comparison. So much more magic to the game bc we could still be surprised.
These kids thinking they’ll become streamers or go pro is just…meh. Toxicity is INSANE today lmao.
What’s crazy is I’ve spoken to a few of these hackers and they’ve been doing this since before free to play, the just kept it low key. Apparently there was some beef, codes got stolen and sold off so then it finally hit mainstream
Yeah but back then we didn’t have items “also available in Fortnite” so… yeah.
:(
@@tiestofalljaysThat's why you I quit playing this game in 2023 and with this BS glad I did
How psyonix and epic are gonna fix this:
1- Keep getting as much money out of this game as they can with 20 dollar cars
2- funnel out as much of RL as they can into fortnite
3- let rocket league die
4- start over with a new game and repeat
Why am I afraid this may happen? This take on the situation may be more insightful then many realize. Hopefully, we are all wrong about it.
Exactly, just ask yourselves why did they acquire Psyonix? It's not because they wanted Rocket League so badly, it's because RL was a competitor they had the opportunity to take out while also trying to funnel as much of the players into fortnite (or at least that's how those execs would think it works). They're doing some cross-promotion nonsense for a while until it's time to pull the plug on RL and tell everyone to move over to the fortnite racing crap. They bought RL for the user base.
@@grandpahgamer3526 🤖
At this point, its time as epicgames to take the rest of psyonix devs every paycheck!
And epic games should let fall this game to its ground 0!
idgaf what u thinkin!
They never were so far away of listening to community as of todays age!
only shitty skins, more skins, look new car, more trash skins, skins, skins, another trashcar with the same bs hitbox, skins skins....
You missed a vacation or two in there.
It’s truly sad what happened to Rocket league. Took away trading, cheaters every where, no new content for years but hey, at least I now can see the boost from my teammates… so sad what this beautiful game has become ever since Epic bought it
No new content? then immediately complains about the new content??? what do you want they literally just added team boost visualizers and a whole new region for NA servers lol? both are new things that ppl have been asking for forever...
Its a comp game, what brilliant ideas do you have for new content? because every single time i see ppl complaining about this they never have any ideas to add, they just kinda cry. And ignore the fact that new content has definitely been added. Knockout? The other new modes that basically nobody plays? Tournaments? all added after epic bought the dev studio.
Trading change sucks but the vast majority of players were not trading regularly. Cheaters are not everywhere. I have over 16,000 games played. I would know lol, yall really are like lil kids dude stg, over dramatic about everything.
also post ur tracker so I know im not wasting my time arguing with a braindead plat about the integrity of a comp game. Because ur takes really make it seem like it.
@@TheOhWulf both these things aren’t new content imo but things that should’ve been in the game a long time ago
@@arminbilalic5691
Its new? No?
Its content that is actually meaningful and has a decent sized impact on how the game plays? No?
But yea its not new content because you think it should have been added at an earlier time...but wasnt. Makes perfect sense.
How do you only address a single part of my comment and still mess up so bad wtf
Also just going to ignore this entire bit just like I predicted you would?:
"What brilliant ideas do you have for new content? because every single time I see ppl complaining about this they never have any ideas to add, they just kinda cry. AND IGNORE THE FACT THAT NEW CONTENT HAS DEFINITELY BEEN ADDED."
and no tracker either. Amazing. Either braindead plat like I thought or cant read and thinks to just change the definition of what really qualifies as new content because.....? they should have been in the game before? WHAT?
Patch notes are on the RL wiki. You can find all the updates since Epic bought the game and then after reading tell me there has been no new content "for years" plz.
@@arminbilalic5691 They are not new or major enough? Because they should have been in the game earlier? WUT? Boost on team8 names is a major change for comp play in 2s and especially 3s.
You say you want “Hackers deleted” yes just like every single game that has successfully deleted heckin hackers! Which games are those again?
Obviously! Duh how could i be so blind to not think of such a great idea. Thank god we have amazing minds like you on the case! Just do something impossible! Delete the hackers who are not even hackers! Even though real hackers infest nearly every other comp game in existence. Players abusing a few bugs is obviously an issue but its not as big of a problem as the copium addicts in this comment section would like to believe.
Invis car players are not hackers. Its a bug. Its been in and out of the game for over 3 years. Check yourself.Youll find posts years and years old about it.
“Ddosers” are not hacking either btw. Sever crash exploit/bug. Epic has ddos protection, some of the best around. And ddosing is a fel0ny offence. The scabs crashing servers are not hacking anything. It will get fixed.
But the delusion that all of a sudden theres thousands of players with access to b0tnets the size large enough to take down Epics servers on a whim is hilarious.
Like just think about it for half a min. What is more likely? People abusing an exploit in the game to crash servers or...there’s just all of a sudden, tons of ddosers all who emerge from the shadows within weeks of eachother and can take down servers worth hundreds of millions and they use it to win a few ranked games… against actual bots like you?
Ya know just casually risking ten years in fed and a half a million fine. No biggie. Against Epic Games. A company notorious for ruining the lives of multiple actual hackers with lawsuits and legal fees…
Also, Youre never getting UE5 rocket league. How do you not realize this by now? The entire UE5 leak and rumors were all about rocket league racing. You know in fortnite, the game with ue5 support and a brand new rl mode? Again, hilariously cute that you think that though. Any day now…
Creation tools would be nice but lets not pretend like custom maps on pc are widely used by anyone for multiplayer. Nor would be even if baked into the game itself. Its a barebones comp game. Theres not much to experiment with, people hardly play the extra modes…because most of players play for the comp side of the game. Rl is not a sandbox and really wouldn’t work well as one. How do yall not get this 9 years into a games life span?
Also both yall should take a look at waytons rl tracker. The dude hardly even plays the game anymore.
Go free play if you’re so scared of the “hackers” by the time they fix the problem maybe you’ll actually have improved slightly.
@@arminbilalic5691 Wait… those new features added recently don’t count as new In your “opinion”? Huh…
Because they should have been in the game at an earlier date, but even though they weren’t, but should have been according to… you? So they’re not new? what? You should try reading sometime.
“New: not existing before; made, introduced, or discovered recently or now for the first time. “
Do you know what an opinion is? That is not an opinion. Thats a literal delusion youve made up entirely in ur own head.
The content is new content… because, get this, crazy difficult, totally wacky concept:
They just came out Meaning, they are factually 100%, undeniably new!
It’s literally completely time dependent on the release of the point in time the content releases. It’s new because its been in the game for a few weeks and the game has been out for 9 years. Meaning its not only new, but brand new!
None of this AT ALL is based around your terrible and objectively, factually wrong “opinion”. Of what qualifies as “new” i think you need a dictionary and to repeat the 1st grade.
You don’t just get to decide what is new based on whether or not YOU think it should have been added already. That’s actually insane, that thats the level of mental gymnastics you have to go through just to come to terms with your own horrible takes on factual, objective things like … time?
My opinion?: Seek professional help, youre actually batsh*# craaaazy or have a brain injury. Either way should probably get it checked out. Gl!
I honestly quit rocket league 3 months ago, and with this im even MORE glad I quit. Rocket League just keeps going down, it's sad because it was a great game at one point.
i believe in the comeback
@@gbamuchukwu6775 No, we need competition, without a competitor Epic will keep being comfortable with these terrible conditions.
I did the same thing
I quit as well when Fortnite started becoming really popular again and I’m glad I did. Rocket league killed itself, and I don’t see it coming back.
Yeah stuff like this makes me want to uninstall for sure. Unfortunately there's no game like it at all even remotely. So I just queue up and play for fun.
Imagine being so bad at a game that you need to hack/cheat
That’s not why hackers start tbh. They find enjoyment in breaking games. If epic didn’t take away the white hats and trading I doubt this woulda happened to the extent it has.
@@billyrussell8684yea but these guys are just losers
App jack played one that was pretty good
@@Lynix27 ok
@@billyrussell8684 there are two different groups of people, the hack creators who find breaking the game fun and or want to make money selling hacks, and then the hack users who are no life basement dwellers
there werent as many cheaters before because RL still had a purchase price, now they can just remake an epic/steam account and keep going
There has been cheaters long before f2p.
@@anubis7589 Yeah but then these people can't blame epic lol
@@anubis7589 There's more now
@@anubis7589 Read what he said before replying please.
True. There also wasn't as many smurfs! Going f2p was a stupid greedy decision in a game that doesn't work well with that model.
I have played since day 1 and this is the 1 game I can say that was light years better before "improvements".
1. Hitboxes used to be specific to the car, now they make no sense.
2. Crates were an awesome part of the game.
3. MAPS had octagons, valleys and ramps
4. Trading between friends
5. No cheaters
6. Rare items that could only be rolled and not purchased
Game is ruined and I quit about 10 months ago. I still keep up with these videos because I played for about 8 years, but really don't understand what devs were thinking.
I know that epic eas thinking: maximize money at the expense kf everything else
I'm convinced that Epic wanted Psyonix for the team and not the games, even though they ended up firing a huge portion of it. It's a real shame
hitbox standarisation was a good thing
you're just a crybaby it's literally the same game as before nothing fundamental has changed
@rossovergmd obvious bait (or youre just stupid)
bro... getting airdribble cringed while invisible is absolutely hilarious xD
That play has to be one of the most satisfying things that has ever happened in RL.
It’s such a big “fuck you, you suck, go outside and play” to the hacker 😂
Imagine using the Term airdribble cringe. Its a normal mechanic to bump someone in the game, git gud to Defense it or score more goals
@@knucklesmusic7590get good at spelling 😇😜📚😊
@@SealsOnMCcringe
@@farexponent9173 😉
Cheaters are in rocket league now because they stopped rewarding players who found exploits/bugs with White Hats (good hackers are known as white hats), which were super rare and extremely coveted. Now they’ve got nothing to do with what they find so they just do it in ranked
They've been here since Epic bought the game, these invisibility hacks are not new to RL
Take it off free to play and see how many people still cheat. That was the biggest mistake.
the community agreed to make it free to significantly increase the player base. people didn’t use to cheat because the a.i needed to cheat was absolutely garbage. but then a few nerds decided to have a competition on who can make the smartest and mechanical robot and they uploaded it for public use.
I'm an old TF2 player with experience of the devs abandoning us. The joke over there is that it's a single janitor working on the game. Guess it's starting to apply to RL as well.
thanks for standing still wanka
how? use ur brain plz the devs abandoning us by adding a brand new feature to the game with boost meters on team tags? new servers? wut are you even saying? actually a 4head moment.
there's no way broseph got angry that someone commented about devs STARTING to abandon a game on a video about devs abandoning the game, which is showed by the lack of care and action taken against hackers
"use ur brain plz"
@@TheOhWulf oh yes, nice new servers that have been requested for probably 8 years now. The boost meter for teammates is a great feature, that could also have been part of the base game 8 years ago.
Did we need them right now? Not necessarily but it's definitely nice.
What do we actually need now? Hackers deleted. New unreal engine to bring back more players + ingame creation tools. The return of trading to make the game feel less like a complete moneysink.
It's just that the timing of this update makes it feel like a bandaid that is covering a festering wound which requires surgery.
@@supercyberdigi theyre not new or major enough? Because they should have been in the game earlier? Wtf? Boost on team8 names is a huuuge change for comp play.
You say you want “Hackers deleted” yes just like every single game that has successfully deleted heckin hackers! Obviously! Duh how could i be so blind to not think of such a great idea. Thank god we have amazing minds like you on the case! Just do something impossible! Delete the hackers who are not even hackers! Even though real hackers infest nearly every other comp game in existence. Players abusing a few bugs is obviously a huuuuge issue.
Invis car players are not hackers. Its a bug. Its been in and out of the game for over 3 years. Check yourself. Youll find posts years and years old about it.
“Ddosers” are not hacking either btw. Sever crash exploit/bug. Epic has ddos protection, some of the best around. And ddosing is a felony offence. The rats crashing servers are not hacking anything. It will get fixed.
But the delusion that all of a sudden theres thousands of players with access to botnets the size big enough to take down Epics servers on a whim is hilarious. Like just think about it for half a min. What is more likely? People abusing an exploit in the game to crash servers or…..there’s just all of a sudden ton of ddosers all who emerge from the shadows within weeks of eachother and can take down servers worth hundreds of millions of dollars and they use it to win a few ranked games…?
Ya know just casually risking ten years in prison and a half a million fine. No biggie. Against Epic Games. A company notorious for ruining the lives of multiple actual hackers with lawsuits and legal fees…
Youre never getting unreal engine 5 rocket league. How do you not realize this by now? The entire UE5 leak and rumors was all about rocket league racing. You know in fortnite, the game with ue5 support and a brand new rl mode? Again, hilariously cute that you think that though.
Creation tools would be nice but lets not pretend like custom maps on pc are widely used by anyone for multiplayer. Nor would be even if baked into the game itself. Its a barebones comp game. Theres not much to experiment with, people hardly play the extra modes…because 90% of players play for the comp side of the game. Rl is not a sandbox and really wouldn’t work well as one. How do yall not get this 9 years into a games life span?
Also both yall should take a look at waytons rl tracker. The dude hardly even plays the game anymore. How would he know? The hackers have obviously been preventing wayton from playing too this season…. And the last and also the one before that. Clearly he couldnt be over exaggerating anything for views and ad revenue. Right guys? Right???
Go free play if you’re so scared of the “hackers” by the time they fix the problem maybe you’ll actually have improved?
After 4,000 hours, I quit a few months ago and have no regrets.
I quit 1 year ago with 800 hours and I have no regrets either
6k hours here quit a year ago xD cant even stand 5 mins of it now before turning it off
same i quit with 2k hrs in, game was dead a long time ago lol... no regrets
Me too and it feels really good
Same but i come back just to see how the game i used to grind a lot is going and its not looking so well
Lol, Epic Games giving a shit about Rocket League? LOL. They have been spending too much time making Fortnite “great again”
they’re making fn worse
People still play that? I though that game was just a gimmick.
@@shaddr_4975 you’ll be surprised. Said no one ever.
Fortnite is struggling with cheaters too and epic still hasn’t done anything about it
@@darkmedos8452 Imagine if Epic sold Rocket League and it went back up on Steam, I’d be overjoyed, it’ll never happen but Epic have always been dogshit with Anticheat systems.
I remember when you found an exploit you used to be able to report it in exchange for a white hat which was valuable because you could trade it.
Real. Now you get a dunce cap for thinking Epic would actually do anything about it
There is a similar situation in Apex Legends right now. There is a guy who keeps taking #1 Apex Predator (#1 SSL in translation) by miles from ending the game in approximately 2 minutes.. the games take 15-20 minutes usually. interesting to see it in other games too
Exact same thing with r6 on console, the top 50 are all elo trappers or dossers if you will
Great video Wayton! The documentary that will be 30 mins long will feel so fresh since you don't usually post long videos. Keep it up!
man i love the way you edit vids keep it up i’ve been subbed since 2022 every vid has been a banger
epic doesn't care, thats all i have to say
Agreed, I uninstalled rocket league, been playing since 2016, best decision I’ve ever made. I’ll wait for rl2 from a real company.
@@FalseDwightScrute lol
I'm not that high in 1s (c3) and I'm not even from EU or NA, but I still played against a cheater who DDos'd the server. These cheaters are really getting out of hand, doesn't matter your region or rank, they're everywhere.
When u ruin a game completly people eventually decide its more fun to cheat than to deal with the garbage game its become. They ruined ranking, they ruined trading, smurfs are worse than literally ever by double, horrid serveres, and a speghetti code that makes it lag randomly. Epic games is a garbage company
Yeah, it happened to me in a game of hoops last night. I'm platinum in hoops. It's unreal
i should mention that c3 is rather high in ones tbh, its so much harder to be higher mmr in that mode that unless you main it you're usually one whole rank behind your 2s rank. im 1600 in 2s but my 1s peak is 1048 (c1) (from a couple of seasons ago but ive taken a break for most of that time so it doesnt really matter) i could 100% be c3 in 1s rather easily if i actually played it but no way im getting gc anytime soon
My guy c3 is high in 1 😭 you’re probably GC in 2s you’re being modest
@@keivinizaguirre9961 imo a high rank in 1s is gc1 or above
i highly doubt epic cares about any of it as long as they can still make money
But if it gets outta hand, people will leave, and then epic will start to help cause they'll make less money with all the loss of players
i think they care but it can be a hard thing to fix. We dont know
they actually dont fix it for obvious reason ; Actually content x)
They don’t care unless you’re Fortnite
if your a game dev, you'll notice the problems in your games. (devs don't make games and then not pay attention to them.)
if your a game dev, you'll notice that the biggest thing to worry about is money to keep funding the game or the time you need to keep working on it. and you'll do almost anything to keep getting those funds. especially if its a big game like rl.
if your game has cheaters and nobody talks about it, then people usually just leave and don't play the game.. unfortunately then the problem is the fact that your game has cheaters in your game and is not good for business.
BUT!... if your game has cheaters and youtubers find out that there's tons of content to be had(making them money), and the devs see that all this does is brings more attention to the game (making them money) while players keep playing it, then why rush to get rid of the cheaters?
Amazing video as always🙌 Keep up the grind Wayton
Looking forward to the Documentary! Sounds really interesting!
And god damn... hope they find a way against the wintraders and hackers. :-(
Thanks for the update on the doc Wayton, looking forward to it big dog!
The game will die if they don't act up. No one wants to play an unfair game
There's a lot of people who already feel it is unfair when you can make a new account on a whim and the ranks are a joke now.
@@Icabod-os6rg im pretty new but im move up and down between gold and plat. one game we walk over people the next game a player does air drippling madness.
@@ReDHaWko Yep. There's too much variety in skill at each rank. I see champs who still wiff and make dumb mistakes
And this is why free-to-play is terrible for gaming. If people had to pay money to create a new account each time they did something like this, it would stop pretty much overnight.
That's not really true though, CS:GO had massive cheating problems even in lower ranks way before it went free to play, and I'm sure there are more examples. Hell, CS:GO still had cheating issues in the paid queue after FTP was released.
@@Lasair517 That's a problem with enforcement then. I don't deny paid gaming can still have cheaters, but then that's on the devs to crack down and actually go after those people. Plus, if people stop buying the game because of cheaters, that creates an incentive for devs to reduce cheating possibilities. In FTP, it's basically impossible to stop, and there's really no incentive for the company to do anything about it.
@@steelerfaninperu I think you're wrong about a lot of that, but most of all I just want to mention how in a game you pay for, there can be a perverse incentive for the owners of the game not to crack down. Because cheaters buy the game again and again after banwaves. Unlike normal players.
In the end I don't think the issue is FTP, not when it comes to cheating anyway. As long as there is known methods to cheat in a game, there will be cheaters.
@@Lasair517 yeah but people were just buying csgo botted accounts or from Argentina peso for 0.5/1$
@@Lasair517 FTP was a terrible decision, thats just facts. and they would have every incentive to crack down on them so that they would have to keep buying the game since obviously the banwave isnt strong enough
Had a Ddos hacker recently, casual players won't recognize them but i instantly knew something was up
how could you tell? I have 16k games played over 4k hours and a college education in IT, Networking specifically. There is no way to tell, if the server is getting DDoSed vs normal regular server issues, a third party would have no way of knowing outside of tracking your ops on leaderboards or tracker. And even then there is no 100% way to. Especially on a game with servers this bad. But plz do share your great wisdom since you just "instantly" know. Gooofy bro.
@@TheOhWulfdisclaimer: not a RL player.
Sure you can't be 100% certain it's a ddos unless you've got server logs, but a ddos attack does follow a pretty typical pattern of service degradation quickly ramping up until no traffic makes it through.
I do wonder if it might be some other DoS attack though since the server seems to crash very quickly. It could be something like a buffer overflow that people misattribute to ddos.
Either way the result is the same for gameplay purposes
@@nolifeorname5731 In the case of RL the only way to really know if the server was crashed by someone intentionally is to look up their other games and see if this happens regularly with them in the game.
If it does it's intentional, if not you have nothing as evidence to say it is.
Another great vid dude, thank you!
The crazy thing is to keep playing this game, as fun as it was (i spent 2k hours on it), the devs just abandoned it a long time ago and it just felt like they where laughing on the community face, i quit like 6 months ago or so
Thanks for the update! Cant wait!!!
Great video, ive been running into smurfs and people D dosing ever since they opened up the new centeal servers. Its getting ridiculous and less fun to play
Your videos are so good ❤
Makes since, it’s sad to see this game dying but unfortunately all things must come to an end.
Still lots of people playing it
Yall are soooo crings I stg, game is "dying" with 35k people on steam?
Almost TEN YEARS after release????
Not including Epic launcher, and all console players?
Steam charts is a free resource.
You mfs act like actual drones, the only thing dying is your critical thinking skills. "makes sense" LOL??????
Dont make excuses for Epic being dogshit
game is dying? steam charts is free you drone. "come to an end" so dramatic holy xD stg you people cannot think critically AT ALL. Actual NPCs in real lmaooooo
It really breaks my heart. Rocket League was my favorite game of all, I've started playing in 2017, spent 3,400 hours in it (that's A LOT for me) and was in the top 2% in 3vs3. I stopped playing in season 1 after epic games took over the game. Long before the nexto bots. I see that epic games left this game to die, they don't have enough profit from it to fix such an extensive cheating problem. What a shame
Great video updating everyone how bad these situations are. Let’s hope epic sort this out asap
Honestly I believe RL is a learning experience for all of us understand that games will be traded from company to company and then you will see the companies that actually care about maintaining the games or just milk it for cash. This isn't the first time and it wont be the last. 343 Killed my childhood game Halo and there's no updates to DLC, nothing but now we know 343 is a trash company that only cares about milking us, just like epic.
Direct correlation with the game going F2P unfortunately. Now people have throwaway accounts, so cheating and toxicity have skyrocketed. If you aren't spending money, then no big deal to start over again when you get banned. I realize they aren't going to remove F2P at this point, but that's a shame.
first 2-3 years were golden in RL, everyone just played. Nowadays...community changed a lot. Quiters, afkers, trolls...its waaayy too toxic there.
And when RL went to epic/F2P, that was last nail to the coffin.
Wow man great video! You earned my subscription!.
Explaining LJ is the mmr recordman in 2024 is the most NA bias i've ever seen.
Wintrading in 2s works like this. U have 3 accounts that will be gaining rank, and 1 account that always loses. Then u just rotate each account to the dead accounts team and snipe yourself with a VPN. So account 4 will be our dead account, so 1-2 vs 3-4. Then next game would be 3-1 vs 2-4. Then 2-3 vs 1-4. It's a 2:1 win loss ratio so u still go positive. I did a test and I got 3 fresh accounts to ssl with rewards in 2 hours. It wouldn't be a hard fix at all either. Just add a simple filter patch that won't let 4 players on the same IP q into the same lobby😂
yo bro, can u give me ur discord name
i wanna add u. teach me
@@ChumBucket65 for what?
@@Packedburrito to teach mee
@@ChumBucket65 aint no way bro sucks at video games so much he gotta cheat in car soccer. go outside man, its not worth it
@@zhlvk I do go outside lil bro. I don’t sit on my az everyday like u do lmao
Recently I’ve had MANY many unplayable servers where everyone would start lagging and my team would be lagging while the other team can freely love and score. I’m in the C3-Gc2 range of the game. They need to make it so that if it’s a 4-0 lead, and the “server disconnects” the winning team gets their W. Tired of losing 10 mins of my life to a 1 trick pony.
i remember a few years ago playing rainbow 6 where ddosing was happening in basically every single high level ranked game. was absolutely miserable and you had to actually pay money to some sketchy 3rd party website to keep your IP off the software. sad to see it's coming to rocket league. besides that weird period where you'd face nexto every once in a while, it's been great to have almost no cheating in this game.
Smurfing wont ever be taken care of because the amount of alt accounts being crrated everyday makes their game look popular to partners/sponsors for their pro events when they submit their qaurtley numbers.
Look 7/11 look ally see how our game is becoming more popular every week all these new players! Give us money please
smurfing isn't nearly as negative as cheats tho. also keep in mind that a lot of people are forced to play on alts to have an enjoyable experience with their lower/higher ranked friends without ruining the ladder. it's not something often talked about but that's a bigger part of the community than you'd expect
@@swagie_ but it does ruin the ladder at the start and end of every season atleast for my rank.. people r carrying their lower ranked friends for rewards which in turns ruins the ladder for people actually trying to climb
Ive had my champ rewards for like 5 seasons and im not so sure about this one because every time i party up the other team always has someone on a unranked fresh 800mmr account while they r sitting at 1097 or similar in diamond lobbies its terrible and will never get fixed.
Mmr disparity doesnt work with unranked accounts and they wont tighten up the mmr average between lobby match ups
Smurfing is present in any online competitive game and is really hard to prevent, it's not something exclusive to Rocket League.
The only way I can think of to fix this is to require phone number verification for every account you make.
@@leodaweeb6969 The point is that they won't take any steps to prevent it. Because it affects their bottom line. You know that's a business. And I get it, but I guess it's just more prevalent in this game
It's like you have to play at a certain time of day on certain servers to have better odds like est after 8pm at diamond rank its like every other game there is a fresh account if ur in a party with someone
Its like u cant play in parties because the average mmr gap is not tight enough
And unranked accounts have no rank disparity
@@leodaweeb6969how exactly do you distinguish between a closet cheater and a "Smurf"? I'm honestly convinced that Smurf is a term cheaters created to gaslight legit players. The websites that sell steam accounts also sell cheats so I find it very hard to believe that people buy accounts with botted hours but not cheats
For some clarity coming from a cybersecurity perspective, DDOS stands for Distributed Denial of Service. This is an attack style that usually incorporates potentially hundreds of servers, IoT devices, etc to overload the bandwidth and processing of any victim node.
If the attacker is not "distributing" the connections via other methods, then the more standard Denial of Service (DOS) attack makes more sense.
I know most gamers use Ddos to refer to server crashes, but just want people to be aware of what these terms actually mean. Ddos's have been common in video games but it seems unlikely to be used here. If bad actors want to take a whole system offline I can see a Ddos being used, which should immediately pop up on Epic's radar.
My expertise is in a field adjacent to cyber, but from the looks of it these bad actors are using a more subtle disruption method.
Yap yap yap
there was one person on Twitter who discovered that their washing machine was being used as part of a server lmao
I guess people use the term Ddos as a universal term for server crashes, like you said. I'm assuming most people don't even know what it stands for in the first place so it's mostly just used as a universal term since most people know what to expect when you say Ddos, that being the server going down.
Looking forward to that documentary you got going on, looks pretty cool!
Wild how they consistently hit rank 1 lol, imagine how many less blatant cheaters are just chilling in top 100 or so without pushing the limits and not getting banned.
Rocket Leagues downfall really needs to be studied. How do you fumble such a masterpiece of a game.
Because its epic games. Thwy fumbled fortnite fir fk sake.
@@ithmiths second grader spotted
Nah im joking lol
@@ithmithsthey fumble everything they touch i miss chapter 2 fn
2:19 the mmr record is 2700 by zen...
I think he was talking about the record at the time
@@ste2586_ might be true but Zen's record was at the end of last season and we are already in Season 14 f2p which Wayton was talking about.
Key words "somewhere around, give or take" .........
whats funny is you all finally acknowledging and admitting there are cheaters and then actually believing 12 year olds are playing legit
Haha, thanks for the update. After the announcement when you released the hitbox video, I was already kinda disappointed and thought, that's it? Excited for the release in summer =)
Would it be worth having a live stream release party on twitch? =)
I noticed a pattern a while ago, where servers would jib out after a goal and wouldn't realign until another goal would go in. I often thought that maybe there is some method to destabilising a server similar to a DDoS attack. I originally thought that if everyone is affected, it is only beneficial when a goal is in favour to the attackers or against the attackers if the odds are clearly stacked against them. But seeing this video, and how they boot the other players, this method definitely makes sense. Its sad really that people hijack tonnes of others fun for their own distorted gain.
witnessed this happen to omarmaton about a month ago on stream, he was actually beating the invisible hacker until he got booted offline, stream froze and then abruptly ended. everyone in chat was telling omar to just ff and leave but he was hell bent on beating him😂
I laugh at any hacker that stops me from playing the game.
Use whatever crutches you need, kiddo. I'll still have fun learning to beat you. But kicking me from the game? That's just sad... you won't even try to win. That's how little confidence you have. You can't even try to win with every advantage in the world.
Halo 3 had a system where you wouldn't gain rank if you're playing the same opponent 3+ times in a row. Something like this could help discourage MMR boosting.
But at such high levels when getting a queue is so rare you are more likely to get lobbies that are just the same over and over again cause there just aren't enough people queuing
@@redvic83 ^ great point to add here. Man, instead of nerfing the game we should nerf humans. They're too op and predictable
@@xdeep_freeze3684 lol, I think they need to implement some sort of hardware ban so it's not easy to just make a new account to evade the ban
Woah.. Shooters are my main game type & I’ve NEVER seen spin bot.. You literally learn something new everyday.
Thanks for the update. Take your time on the documentary. Take as long as you need to make it perfect. We’re all excited for it.
I'm glad someone is pointing out the proof of Lag switchers\DDoSers in Rocket League, I've been pointing it out for years and it's crazy the amount of people saying it's not possible and it's just lag etc etc
I typically have ping between 15-45 depending on servers. We were up 2-1 and randomly our cars went weird. Both my tm8 and my ping spiked to 200+ for the entirety of the match. Next game our pings were back to normal. Sickening especially when they say "EZ" after the game
hi wayton
I quit about a month or so ago and honestly I’ve never been better.
Soo many times I think I can hop on and play but ultimately I deleted it for that exactly.. it’s not easy to redl & play instantly and by the time it would take to play that feeling to play is fleeting.
lol remember when the game was less than 2 GB.... now its what like 37 GB? and nothing in the game changed LOL... make it make sense please ive been begging
If Epic is gonna let Rocket League die, AT LEAST RELEASE THE SOURCE CODE OF THE GAME! This... is all so sooo damn unprofessional from Psyonix/Epic Games.....
I went from C2 down to plat in a matter of about 80 minutes because of cheaters and smurfs. Every game had GC tournament winners and Champ tournament winners on the other team, my teammates are usually boosted bums that need to be back in silver. This season is terrible for trolls and smurfs. Nobody in champ, diamond or plat is doing flip reset double taps.
"went from C2 down to plat in a matter of about 80 minutes because of cheaters and smurfs."
This everyone, is delusion at its absolute peak. A single c2 could 1v3 a team of plats.
you want us to believe you ran into SOOOOO many cheaters AND smurfs that in 80 mins you lost THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY MMR?
if you lost 10 MMR a game, (even being overly aggressive with this MMR loss just to prove how dumb this all sounds) it would take you 38 games straight of losing to achieve that huge of a de=rank.
AND,
We would even have to assume you FF every single game at exactly 1 mins 30 seconds into each game exactly when you are first allowed to. Doing this 38 times with ZERO downtime between games and countdowns gets you to 60 mins.. and you lost all that MMR in 80? hmmmmm
A full game for context is easily 6-9 mins. Que times at C2 can easily reach 2-5 mins and it takes 15-30 seconds to connect everyone and load them into the server once a matchmaking has been found. you couldn't have played even a few full games while losing that much MMR in such a little time. And allllllllllll to smurfs and hackers too, who of course all had rank tags? even if you were TRYING to lose that much MMR in that time frame in you straight up couldn't lol. Physically impossible. Fully delusional.
But you can prove me wrong by posting a few replays? Or simply posting ur RL tracker.
Both are super easy options, But you wont and we both know that. :D and plz don't bother editing, SS'd already for the lulz
@@TheOhWulf I'll add something to the math, when a new season start, the gain and loss in mmr is greater than just 9/10 point, going for 30 and decreasing(it's not 30 for sure, but around that ~), I don't know the exact math behind that, but I usually just have to wait under 30 seconds to get a match, it greatly depends on the playercount at the hour you are playing at, and also the region.
if we assume the dude was in losing streak since the start, got a bunch of smurfs (that's old news, everybody knows they are in a lot of games), go a tilted mindset and started forfaiting as soon as he thought it was cheater/smurfs/unfair.
I don't see it as that much of a stretch, but I'll also add that when we are playing, times flow differently, so I don't see it as impossible to lose that much in 120 minutes,
I could also question his 80 minutes ? did the dude use the addon to see the number of match played and just added 5+5+5 minutes ?
I personally have a terrible experience with the game this season, it's borderline unplayable, smurf are a part, but, the amount of times that server played against me and my mate, going to lag for only one of us, but not everytime the same person, ghost touch, rubberband, fifty going insaly crazy directly in our net.
add to that the amount of people actually scripting, the games when you end up against a champ and a plat in the same game, making it horrendous to understand since one of the two is dogshit, so the play is one time fast and the other time clunky and slow.
it can kill your nerves to end up on the same type of match again and again, and strangely, now everyone knows how to flip reset and do perfect wall drag while being starved to death and with terrible rotations.
I'm not trying to defend the op, but the state of the game is terrible, and we are all just watching it sinks to newer low
still no tracker, he wont ever post it and if he does there will not be an obvious 400mmr dip. Someone who rage ques 38 losses straight and blames outside factors entirely? they couldn't possibly be lying! right?... they obv just had the worst matchmaking luck of all time and def dont need to work on mindset or anything dumb like that...
Are you a top 100 player? do you run into ddosers and invis players regularly? I have SIXTEEN THOUSAND games played on my profile. Est. 2015. Guess how many blatant cheaters ive ran into? with nexto, invis car bug (which has been in the game for literally years btw its just public now and assuming will be fixed soonish) and ddosers included? zero. none. not one.
The servers have ALWAYS been pretty bad. they're 60hz servers on a comp game where fractions of seconds matter. They're bad at their very core lol. Smurfs are an issue on every comp game to ever exist. Especially in f2p. You can still improve even with the existence of smurfs, bad servers and even hackers. :D
We just got the most impactful update in YEARS since flip resets were added with the whole boost meter icon update, we just got new servers in USC both things ppl have been asking for for 8+ years...There's not much to add to the game, there's not much to change.
But pretending the game is in a bad state when player counts and recent update history say the opposite? Is it the game that's in a bad state or the youtubers who have milked it for all the possible content over 8-9 years and now have literally nothing left to address or be original with?
The problems in this video are not things that the avg player runs into regularly. It happens, but not as often as the garbage cans in this comment section would like you to think. But hey what do i know? ive only got 4k hours :D
@@TheOhWulf I was just arguing about if it was possible, very unlikely, we can agree on that, but still possible.
I'm not top 100, but I don't get why it would matter if I was or not, I'm at thirteen thousand games played and Est. 2016, and I got some, but it's not invisible players or ddosers (I got a few ddos tho, like 4 or 5 last season)
but the cheaters are a real thing, I encourage you to look at "gos loader", it's not blatant obvious cheats, but more like a wallhacking dude in a fps could be, scripting is a real thing and I thought strange that now a lot of average players are doing way better than before and still be at lower rank.
what I mean by that is that I've been hardstuck at c1 for a long time, but I've always been improving, so the stagnation was more because I wasn't going that much in ranked, but this season and the last one my rank sunk because the playerbase is doing crazy shit in a majority of games, like plats tagging whith their friend in champ, but the champ is normal, the plat in the other hand, can double/triple flip reset without sweating, but strangely enough, unable to defend simple balls going straight.
the game IS in a bad state, I agree with you on the youtuber's rant, but that doesn't change the fact that the game is stagnant.
showing the boost on nameplate was a nice addition, but why didn't they add that in 2016 ???
new server ? cool, why are they so bad then ? going from 70 to 60 ping for a lot of people doens't change shit (when they are stable, but they are not)
what about porting the game on ue5 ? having a better netcode ? map making/game mode with specific rules made by players ? fixing bugs that are still persent since the beginning ?
you do realise when you say that the addition of the nameplate boost is the most impactful update we had in years is telling so much about the staleness of the game ?
epic doesn't give a shit, psyonix is just a shadow of what it was, they kept doing bullshit update one after another, doing pretty much nothing, even deleting og features, but because there isn't any alternative and the playerbase is decreasing slowly we have to say the game is fine ? keep living in delusion then mate, but don't ask me to think like you do.
there is so much wasted potential with rocket league, and if you think they can't add anything to the game, then take a look at the hundreds of Lethamyr's concept/maps.
yes I agree that the video is pointless, I'm used to it, I came here because I hoped he would have talked about the scripting cheaters, but I guess, youtubers are proving again that they are clueless on the matter.
ps : yeah I have thousands of hours too, so ?
ps 2 : at first I just wanted to nitpick at the math lmao
@@TheOhWulf @TheOhWulf player counts are high because of so many alt accounts ;D
and besides opponent smurfs in party, boosted teammates in solo q also ruin it D=
There have been modders, scripters, cheaters, and all other types of hackers in nearly every game from plat-champ for the last 3 years. It's good to finally see mainstream youtubers finally admit that there ARE cheaters in this game. Hope it doesn't take another half decade more to get this solve, or admit all the problems in the cheater column.
We see it in GTAO too.
What plays in the background, is the legal issues behind penalizing actions like bans and erasing accounts.
When the laws/countries caught up, more actions are possible, and do happen.
If no laws were there, the game server owner can just see who is using artificial input and erase them.
The intricacy thus lays within the legal backgrounds and insufficiency of player database management.
i thought the game would die after the trading ended and after many youtubers quit, did the playerbase drop or am i the only one affected?
Just a guess but the vast majority of people probably dont trade so the impact of removing trading was vastly overrated. I myself have thousands of hours but have never traded.
Cheating is a huge problem with almost all of epic’s games
Not Fortnite. I’m frankly surprised that in every match I’ve been I haven’t found any hackers at all
@@teenageapple3788 Fortnite’s anticheat is very strong, but there is a big problem with hackers in tournaments right now
@@teenageapple3788 Correction, you haven't found any hackers you know of.
There's also a way to attach "semi" macros to your controller for many of the more complex moves while not getting banned.
I won't say how here, but it's not the most complicated.
Stalls, mustys, wall dashes, double resets, zap/wave dashes, etc... Have been using similar methods to teach my bot mechs.
All can be contained down to one or 2 button presses, just makes me wonder how many people are using something like this in game.
I absolutely love everything about your videos. From content to editing to scripts. Yours skills in this field are in my humble opinion...... unmatched. The subtle things we don't recognize at first like cut's and transitions are some of the best I have seen with regards to this sort of content. Know I, and I have no doubt thousands x 10 more appreciate and dig your stuff my friend. I will forever be a fan.
P.S. I am afraid I am over hyping myself for the "big project doc", but I know it is in the best hands and I cannot wait to watch it. If you are looking for a pre-release opinion, I am always open to giving you mine. I mean....... Not that I am just hoping to see it sooner or anything selfish like that. 🤫 Just trying to help. 😋 Appreciate you King.
Well done on Liking the Thing
i dont care about top100 players getting cheated
99% of them did smurfing earlier and nowadays a normal gc1 player has at least 25% smurf opponents wich they cant beat
but when a pro gets matches he cant win, everyone is crying
smurfing = cheating
and besides opponent smurfs in party, boosted teammates in solo q also ruin it ;(
@@CactousMan639 yep, thats the result
Epic buying out psyonix ruined rocket league
Lol - Thanks for vid. Tryed DDos So many times now. Really hate it.
I'm at c2 and I've seen a lot of people with ssl tournament tags. That's super weird, because they are playing at the same skill level as me.
Wow the bro said "first"... No one care, better to listen about this serious shit with cheaters
First
Blast there names don’t blur them out.
whytho?
@@carllson6054 why would you protect cheaters?
@@theginganinja-_-7695 hes not protecting them, hes just not trying to give them advertising in his video dude
Their* names are blurred so that they aren't getting free publicity
i actually experienced win trading a few years ago on twitch. someone was legit just livestreaming themselves doing it
I gotta respect someone still out here making RL videos
Yall still play this game?
Yessir the best game in the world 🌎
Yea
Fuck no gave up in December
Hate it but still play it more than I should
Only real ones still play the game
under 3 minute gang
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Looking forward to the documentary! And getting these hacks solved..
A couple days ago, me and my friend was in the finals of a champ tournament, about to win the first game, when we noticed that one of the other players on the other team had a consistent red 380 ping not moving at all. With around 1 minute left i guess the hacker screwed the coding up ended up doing it on themselves. The match ended but it didn't say they forfeited, it just said it ended like a normal match when the ball touched the ground with 0 seconds. The same thing happened in the second match and we luckily ended up winning. They was also super bad at the game, so we could only guess they made it to the finals using that method. The semi-finals was honestly the real finals here
For every like this comment gets I will free one cat from the hands of my grandma
What lmfao
No the birds need your grandma
@@WaytonPilkin wat
Nice video as always, a few things that are inaccurate tho:
2:16 Zen holds the world record now and not LJ.
6:40 I think this tweet is about connectivity issues and not the DDOS hack. The servers in EU are garbage right now, I lag every other game or so and those issues seem to differ depending on ISP.
Anyway, hopefully they do something about these things soon as this is truly getting out of hand. The game really wants us to not like it right now.
I just a few days ago ran into a bot in ranked 1s for the first time since their original appearance. It didn't play too similar to Nexto, so perhaps Seer, or another bot? Regardless though, after seeing that I wouldn't be surprised to see a resurgence of bots as well. It's actually pretty impressive how many exploits are happening all at once, considering how long it was before the first ones. I tried posting about it on Reddit, including video footage, but it got removed for some nonsensical reason. Makes you question how much they really care, but I guess that's it's entirely own thing.
I haven't played rocket league much lately because of school and other obligations, but it stinks to see a game I love so much fall into the trash and become a cesspool for the worst kind of person out there. I feel bad for those who cheat, because they don't have the skill or resolve to get good, so they resort to ruining the game for everyone. They're not even having fun because being top of the leader board doesn't mean anything when you cheated to get there.
Great job for not giving the cheaters clout
I appreciate you blurring all of the names, not giving them the attention they live off of
Can't wait to see the doc!!!
I appreciate you making a documentary about me and the struggles of silver in RL.
I started to notice the ddos hack/cheat in c2 and up. The past week I’ve been trying to get c3 back, but the last 2-3days I’ve seen more ddos affected servers than any other point in the games history
It's out of control everywhere lately. I recently quit 2 of my long-time favorite games because reporting the cheaters doesn't do anything and it's getting worse to the point that it ruins the games.
documentary let’s goo🔥🔥🔥🔥
bro the ddosing cheaters happened to me couple days ago in a champ tournament we were tied in OT and all of a sudden server went down and they ended up scoring... shocker. Looked back at the bracket and they ended up winning the whole thing.
Experienced the invisible hack years ago. Interesting how it's only just now becoming more popular.
This reminds me of Flatout Ultimate Carnage.
In leatherboards there are MANY cheaters before you found one legit guy.
But FOUC is old mostly single game this problem is in RL much bigger
I think the hacking is only affecting high lobbies. I've never experienced anything at c1. The only thing that's annoying is the ranks are so messed up. I took a break for multiple seasons in the past 7 seasons so I dropped a bit from where I was. I first got c1 in season 3, but now everybody is lit so good and I cant rank up lol, even though now in season 14 I'm SO much better than I was before. I'm like how in the world do u get to gc now a days
A similar situation happened in CSGO in 2022 where hackers were kicking people from servers but were able to remain in themselves making the game automatically win for them. They sent valve servers fake TCP requests on a loop and forced the game's timeout time to go from 25 seconds to 3000 seconds only on their client.
I got around 4k hours in RL but stopped playing games over a year ago. Now I spend 99% of my time in freeplay oder custom training just messing around with some freestyle shots while listening to audio books. Once a month I play 1 or 2 games but that's it. Really brought back the fun for me.
You know this gets me curious. I'm in D3-C1 MMR and some of my games (very rarely) disconnect exactly like those ddos ones. I wonder if any have been ddos attacks or just the servers actually dying. Regardless, whether it's caused by the hacks or not, the game has been extremely laggy lately. All the streams I watch I see them going through the ball occasionally, clearly getting bumps and not connecting, and it's in my games too. Super frustrating when you have 30 ping and clearly hit the ball but it just goes right through the car. We can only hope they are working on everything that's been falling apart this season.
Its sad to see that that epic/psyonics dont do anything about the obv. issues of the game.
And on top they removed trading...
The invis hack is exploiting a bug that exists in the game already, so if they patch it, that hack is indirectly removed from the game, the ddos hackers are a bit trickier and I understand why that one may take a bit longer, and win trading should be fairly simple to fix especially with the pros spoon feeding epic the solution. Really the only hack I see that could potentially be difficult to deal with is the ddos hackers, but I’m a 20 yr old college student so I could be wrong lol. Great vid wayton I always like ur takes in content like this
RL did not have these issues until it left steam and went to epic.