BIG Roster Changes, Caedrel Reveals His Earnings For Finals Day & Is Co-Streaming BAD?
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1:38 : Recent roster changes
6:38 : Costreaming Discussion
9:01 : Caedrel's earnings for finals day
22:34 : LCS BO3
Should really learn to make timestamps imbeded in the video :D
@@gustasceponis7931 I prefer it like this otherwise I'd need to timestamp everything (hard for reddit videos), if not the timestamp for a section would carry on for the rest of the vid until the next timestamp
@@gustasceponis7931 god damn just be grateful for mr editor that he even bothers to do this
If it matters, I actually prefer non embedded time stamps. On mobile it fucks up the skipping 10 seconds forward/back when there are embedded times
Props to you for showing your twitch revenue for that day, really interesting stuff.
Yeah, I don't think people really appreciated what he was trying to say about streamers' revenue unfortunately. 5 figures for a big event is not insane for the top 0.1% of streamers covering it and it frankly should be what on-air talent is making for being on the broadcast via contract.
I didn't care for competitive league at all and it was really daunting to get into understanding it because of how different it is from ranked. Caedrel makes it really easy to learn and incredibly more entertaining than main broadcast. Caedrel is literally singlehandedly growing the audience for the game and that shit never gets mentioned.
So true it was the same for me!
I don't really like playing games that much but I have always wanted to watch league. However the game just looked really complex when watching it and I just felt dizzy really, so I gave up on it (maybe around 2018?). The only reason I started watching was because I came across a random Caedrel video on youtube. I've been watching for like a year and a half now maybe?
So true, i quit league in 2016 and still dont play. Thanks to this guy i can watch and understand the pro scene and enjoy it. Which i never did before
Most of the castors are low elo and don’t even understand what’s going on, but they definitely dumb the game down, but Caedrel dumbs it down but can actually explain most of the high level gameplay
Co-Streaming isn't bad, what is bad is RIOT thinking that LEC or LCS are indipendent business endeavours rather than marketing operations, they aren't, they arent big enough for audience and sponsor to cover the cost of it long term, they are a marketing operations, the exposure of LEC and LCS which happens through Co-Streaming as well pays for itself in increased in games sales.
this is a great insight yeah
Yea. They keep the increased skin sales for themselves without making in-game content for teams. (besides worlds skins ofc)
Montecristo recently made a video about costreaming and league revenue and the fall out of LCS. Its a pretty good piece. He said that the LCS fall out is inevitable but RIOT is fine with it as long as the gamekeep making profit from selling skins and RP, he also said that probably in the future there's gonna be a merger of the LCS with the CBLOL and maybe the LAL because it worked in VAL.
The whole co-stream debacle is interesting to me cause at the end of the day they DEPEND on the main broadcast. The casters, camera crew, studio, players. If they're not there, there's no content. If the main stream is losing viewership they should simply sell the co-streaming broadcast rights to the people profiting from it. Lease it, if you will.The let them broadcast over the main stream all they want, whilst they get a piece of the pie they're baking.
I would not be watching main broadcast if it wasn’t from caedrel, he’s the only reason I follow competitive league. I used to be a worlds finals only andy but after watching some of his videos on the main channel before I knew it I was following LEC and LCK
Just keep in mind that there are 200 viewer streamers that make more money than 2k viewer streamers. You can drastically change how much you make based on things like how many whales you have watching, how often you take sponsoships, how many sub goals or subathons and such you do, what incentives you give people who sub or donate, etc.
I actually appreciate that Caedrel doesn't go that hard on all that stuff, he mainly just reminds people about subbing to avoid ads. But he definitely could be squeezing a lot more money out of those streams if he really wanted to.
guy has so much viewers he doesn’t need to do that. Pretty sure he has enough money, surely he makes at least 5 digits a month with twitch, maybe even 6 digits if you include other things, and he doesn’t seem like someone who spends money on luxury stuff like watches, cars etc. Im happy for him he is someone who deserves it
@@chris8543 Considering how much he made on just finals day, he easily makes 15-20 grand a month even without finals.
@@chris8543 Streamers with 15k average viewers will make over 150k/month. Escape From Tarkov streamers easily made 6digits with 8k average viewers.
Seems pretty simple to me.. riot should negotiate terms with co-streamers for a percentage of the revenue from ads during co-streams and have rules so that co-streamers don't obscure advertising. I would have assumed that this sort of thing already existed.
he is such a loveable guy and defends himself so well and am so proud of him for addressing these sorts of things. He really didn't to but my man did.
i dont understand the issue with co stream , fair enough it takes away from the casters but iv watched more league than ever because of caedrel
It's just not sustainable, but the issue is not with co-stream, it's Riot. They are using co-stream as a reason to cut the main broadcast production budget and everyone is blaming the costreamer when in reality, they should be pointing finger at Riot.
Hell dude, even $1000 a day is crazy….
bro didnt even get paid 2p per viewer imagine how much twitch milked off him
two things can be true, co-streamers can exist and also be destroying broadcasting. I know it must suck for him to get the hate, it's not his fault he's popular. medic also mentions later that if riot paid better they could keep the talent.
I think if Riot wants to keep their main broadcast but still keep investors interested with costreamers, they would have to force costreamers to turn up volume and mute their mic when all broadcast ads are playing...I know NFL allowed a few costreams and that was their stipulation because then the costream viewers could count as broadcast viewers as far as advertisers were concerned
then it does potentially (idk) kind of run into the topics of what is being talked about on the costeams as well being ok for advertisers, but I still think it would be a better solution than what they have now
so roughly 1M hours views equal to 10-17k usd. last year Caedrel have a total of 45.7 Hours watched so he probably earned around 450k to 800k usd. (subs and bits/donates aren't that stable, also tax aren't counted).
I don't think it works that way, he is probably getting a lot more money when he is reacting to Faker stomp people vs him playing League or browsing Reddit.
@@MartinWasTaken like I said donations are not stable. but I believe ads are the main source tho, also since he have such a viewership he should have relatively stable donations than smaller streamers
Don't forget that he lives in Germany and probably pays around 50% taxes.
@@kein_humor3933 I got curious at some point and actually looked into taxes in various places in the world compared to the US, and the real cost to the average working-class person tends to be fairly similar, surprisingly enough ┐(´д｀)┌
for rich people, the US has super-lax rules and loopholes at the moment, though, so that'll probably be different in other countries.
Well, 500k-1kk $/€ per year for one of the biggest League of Legends streamer in the world rn is quite alright imo
They're just jalous about the co-streaming Caedral don't let them take you down, keep up you doing well, one of the best casters ever ❤🎉
If youd start on the caster desk again i'd watch the LEC stream again xD
ive watched more league this season than any other season, and I've been watching since S3. Usually i just focus on LCS (where I still watch the main broadcast), but I watch caedral costream LCK, LPL, and some LEC. I would never go out of my way to watch those regions without caedral's coverage, and I think a lot of people are in that same boat. It only helps grow viewership, they just need to find the right balance so the main broadcast doesn't flounder too hard
Ye Baus has a more consistent $/h earnings I feel. He averages about 13-14k viewers everyday.
Even on days LEC is on, or it is the finals, he still has 13k. So thats another rich boi
It's funny that he mentions how much he made for that mega day on Sunday, but like he says, he's always the one who's called out for co-streamer culture. It's laughable how Monte and Thorin are obsessed with him, saying he make MILLIONS from this.
Caedrel didn't explain it well but he was trying to say the 17k figure is on a fantastic day. It's rare, so his usual profit it prob way below that, by a lot.
22:00 no you were using ethernet to stream, but on the finals day on sunday, to switch to the studio PC on stream, you unpluged your internet. If you look at other redit recaps you are connected to ethernet and not wifi
honestly i've been having the same issue. random lag recently
It's interesting in a sense that getting 15k / 13h / 73 = 15,8$
So if you stream to English speaking audience of 1k people for 1 hour and your earnings per single eyeball are same as Caedrel you get whopping 15,80$ per hour of streaming. Which is quite a lot or not enough to pay a rant based on where in world you live.
I wonder how much higher that revenue number would be if he enabled alerts/donos during those co-streams. It would obviously be mega distracting and unfitting, but it would probably easily add another few thousand bucks to the list.
Oh wow the salary is really interesting.
I guessed 50k for that day since it was probably the most money day this year
Between 10-17k dollars. Lets make that 14k. Scale 70k viewers to 10k is a factor 7 down, then we are on 2k dollars a day. It was almost 14 hours, lets scale that down a factor 2 to get to 7 hours for a normal stream and we’re on 1k a day. Work ~20 days a month as a streamer and thats a 20k dollar income per month, for which in germany you’ll probably pay ~30-40% of the whole in taxes leaves (rough estimate) ~ 12-14k a month. And thats a big time streamer folks.
Yes he’s young blabla, a lot of uncertainty as well. For a pro player to go to streaming he’ll probably take a paycut at first.
Since they were looking at Korea and its someone we would be surprised by I imagine it has to be someone known rather than a rookie. My guesses would be (in no particular order) Canna, Summit or Ssumday.
Hopefully canna
@@grrumakemeangry The way it's looking the rumors would suggest Ssumday was the one being talked about, and Caedrel saying it made sense is probably due to the other rumor that Abbe is joining alongside the already confirmed Closer meaning 100T topside from 2022 is reunited.
Would have liked to have seen Canna as well though I'll admit. It was only when I looked at possible names it could have been from 2023 LCK teams that I realised Canna wasn't on any teams. Think he could do really well in a western team.
@@grrumakemeangry Looks like it was Canna after all. Still think of the 3 he was the best choice though I could have seen Ssumday working well if Abe ended up being the mid laner. Hoping he can step up and be another top laner who can compete with the top 3 top laners.
did he do the reddit recap for everything he missed or did he skip older stuff?
i checked your vods but it doesnt show u were on wifi
i mean if they wouldnt make the broadcasts so fckn boring maybe ppl would watch it but sure blame the co-casters for actually being more entertaining to watch like what
Thiss
i saw Mizfif do a Video about Twitch revenue thing was pretty good PeedroTime could do the same?
It has to be Ssumday for KC btw. He is a free agent atm and they have 3/5 of the 100t team
I would start watching LEC, if it's Ssumday
That’s what I thought as well when he suggested it would be an out of region free agent korean player.
casual 13k for peak day
Ye thats like someones 6-7 month pay
@@ANon-Eemus I wouldn't call that casual. "Best day" != casual.
@@GeeiJhoi said it’s peak day, getting that much on a peak day is insane
And he pays 6k tax for that day + insurance. leaves him with about 5k that day. which is still an insane amount of money but still way less he actually gets.
in my country its average incomed persons 6.5 years salary.
The korean LCK broadcast on CZcams had like 600k viewers on final peak. You also need to have been subbed for 3 months to be able to type in the chat there, which makes chat bans so much more effective. and guess what? the chat was more civilized than a 2k viewer english stream on twitch.
going off what he said he makes about 187$ per hour streamed with 10k viewers on average. assuming that earnings per viewers scales linearly. So lets say on a 5 hour stream with 40k viewers he earns about 3.7k. or 750 per hour (these numbers are all speculation and by no means exact.) That being said on a good day our ratking makes more in a day then most people make in a month.
I don’t know man people blaming costreamers are really out of touch with what the people want I feel like people are pointing to Caedrel and blaming him do not know anything about the scene behind closed doors, I think most people who have been league fans for a long time like myself rather watch a co-streamer like double lift or Caedrel because they’re just more engaging and bring a different view. there are some casters I absolutely love like Azael or Captn Flowers, but idk man being in a Co-Stream with chat and a community just makes it more fun.
Nobody is blaming him for anything, they're simply pointing out it can't be good for business on Riot's side. Riot gives him permission if people want to be mad at someone or point fingers it should be Riot he's just being smart. The only people who are giving a damn about co streams are people who want the league to grow. Nothing to do with the streamer itself he's just the prime example no one can deny that he has done a lot for the league, no one is mad at him for making money because he has the right to and permission from Riot.
@@kevinrobichaud8560 def agree with you, but I've seen people actually blaming Caedrel either in chat or on reddit
Bro earns more a day than me a year and i mean literally. Thats kinda sad, but i am happy for the rat. Good job🎉
where do you live?
@@noirekami3941 i live in slovakia
@@Blackstar197x oh i see yeah wages must be low there. do you at least have a good living condition. I hope you do
@@noirekami3941 its actually pretty average pay around here 😀 , so its fine.
Why not just live view? Audience would have to tune in to both broadcast like every other watch along
Some people can't watch two streams at once. Literally. If it weren't for sneaky and caedrels co streams I wouldn't have watched a single pro game in the last year or more.
@@bloodyzayne I get that, I also enjoy Co streams too but from a business stand point it can't be good. Main broadcast does a fantastic job, if you can't enjoy the product you don't really like pro play you just like the streamer. I just want the leagues to grow, not saying co streaming is bad, but it's common sense that Riot is losing on potential viewers, because the viewers that won't tune in don't support the league they support the streamer which is fine I like Caedrel too but it's not good for business imo.
How is there not a revenue split between costreamers and riot??
Am i smoking or did Caedrel not unplug his ethernet for the LEC Finals thing so that his stream would swap to the studio? I swear to god that he said that he unpluged his ethernet from the pc for that
Pretty sure what makes streamers money isn’t the stream itself but brand deals & ad streams
Also in Caedrels case CZcams. If he puts up a 90min video with 200k+ views it should have enough combined watchtime to make some serious money. But the same goes for bigger channels with shorter videos.
I think people here forget that that money is before taxes, in germany you pay 40-almost 50% to taxes. Plus living cost in germany specially in Berlin is expensive. My coworker pays 1.5K rent for a 2 room apartment in the shitty part of Berlin.
How that even work, so u have higher pay right?
@@gusa13 I dont understand you question? Are you asking about the tax system in germany. Its like this If you earn more then i think 280K a year and lets assume Pedro does, then he has to pay 45% of his income as taxes here in germany. German has very high income taxes but it provides you with health insurance m, unemployment insurance and many more
45% is ridiculous
@@cringeginge7663It’s there because you’re paying for more social services than america like universal healthcare.
if the broadcast was good people would fucking watch it. but we lost deficio and quickshot. we lost 2/3rds of staff. there are broadcast issues every day. we get 1 competition per year at an actual arena.
Bro made more money in a day than me in 3 months working 8h a day
Did medicc? Leave LEC broadcasting?
Complaining about the 40ms soloq experience, meanwhile I have never played with below 47ms in NA
mine is constant 110ms sometimes it reaches 88075421, lol
Cubby has a point though that Riots ego is letting this happen. LEC should shovel out the money for Caedrel to be on broadcast. Why isn't Doublelift on LCS cast? Because Riot has some they are above everyone ego that is losing views quickly.
Idc about the video. I see my Lithuanian🇱🇹 brother in thumbnail and I came here to support him! Love from Latvia bralyukas! 🇱🇻
wasnt even following league esports besides worlds before caedrel streams tbh
15K€ before taxes = 73K average viewers & 13 hours streaming.
Then in a rough estimative lets say:
Assumption: Stream 8 hours a day with 10K average viewers.
Then ~ 15K / (7 x (2x3))
So in a normal month and being consevative you'd make 3.2K/day
3.2K€ x 30 = 96K€/month
1.1M€ /year.
Make sure you hire someone to help you avoid the taxes as much as possible and invest your money for your retirement!
I'm sure this is not right but I would assume you have some days off, also some peak days and unexpected events that prevent you from working.
I would say in a good year you will be around 1.2M€ and 1.7M€.
He streamed 1695 hours across 250 days last year, and averaged 15,317 viewers.
If we were to assume all the other variables are the same he probably makes close to 800k per year. However, there are many factors at play so he probably makes between 500-800k before any of his sponsorships.
@@sadakoaria9479 anyway Im a Finance Manager and I'm poor in comparison to that kind of amount ahaha happy for him though! :D
Caedrel Just do it
Well is wooloo shared it then you probably can’t trust it
People dont realise caedrel will be making milliona if he took gaming sponsors. He doeesnt do that because he cares about the viewers fr. Big respect rar king 👑
Idk how twitch earnings scale, but If we assume linear scaling we'll get somethings like this:
Assume 15000k for 13 hours at 70k viewers is 1153$/h
so for 10k viewers it would be 1153/7 = 165$/h
Assume a working day of 8 hours and 5 day work week... 8h*5d*4w = 160 hours of streams a month
So 165$/h * 160 h = 26k$ /month or 316k/year
But then again, that is assuming the scaling is linear, which is not necessarily true
Please stream Lcs next split ❤
xddBusiness
It’s actually insane that the higher ups in EU see costream as a reason to make less investment, cause in brazil our viewership keep peaking with costream this year so they keep investing in the CBLOL product so we’re always getting better things
I think it’s insane to blame someone like caedrel who is helping the viewership grow, blame the higher up’s cause if they did a proper job the league would only grow
Riot has to realize, people don't care about RIOT, they care about the game they loved(loved because riots slowly ruined the game patch after patch).
We're not here for riot, were here for the game and the players. Riot is delusional talking about how much money they put into the streams, and blaming people for layoffs. 1) don't try to run dumbass narratives 2) last years worlds? Damn near every steam til now? Observers are mediocre compared to other regions. The broadcasts are glitchy full of visual bugs and other shit.
How many pro players and streamers who loved the game, been around 8+++ years, have left the game? Quite a lot. That's not some accident, that's on riot being shit at their business.
Literally. If it weren't for sneaky and caedrels co streams I wouldn't have watched a single pro game in the last year or more. Get rid of costreams and gl with viewership.
so something like 60-70k a month - i don't think it's completely insane or anything considering the hours you put in an all? your revenue is entirely based off of others' interest in you and that can change at any time. the high 5 figure monthly isn't all that crazy considering how everything can crumble after some time
edit: although it is crazy to me that someone who makes more in a month than people do in a year can be such a down to earth and friendly guy on the internet. thank you for existing el ratone
probably Ssumday
"Rogue and MAD the last to get out of groups" G2 played 3 BO in the double elim stage last MSI, took 2 games from GenG and BLG and clapped MAD who went home 0-6 after not even playing in groups, what is bro smoking?
Calling out Caedrel as a leech makes zero sense. Pretty sure if there were no production and only raw pro games, he'll have the same results. He's a one man show. From hot takes, memes, to the spot-on analysis. Plus a pretty nice guy.
still have the dc problem since new season
Honestly, riot has steadily reduced support of various regions and fired people involved in the more complex elements of production. So, losing viewers to entertaining streamers is inevitable.
11:03 the real money was always on CZcams...
Honestly 17K in one day is absolutely absurd money though. You could work 35 hour weeks with a job requiring a masters degree and make less than double that in a whole year (25-30K). If you were to even make 1000 per stream, streaming the same hours, you'd still make 220-260K assuming 0-40 days off/year, roughly the amount you can make in a decently paid computer science role. The perspective and insight is nice to have, but I do think that making over 200K for streaming IS a lot relative to other career paths. Not at all to say it isn't well earned and worked for because your dedication and talent shows, just that you can put in huge effort in other careers to make a lot less.
Though you are a fringe cases of high earnings in the streaming world I suppose, and if you look at the highest paid in other careers then making more than 200K becomes a lot more common
You forget one thing, there are a lot more people who can show up at a random job for week then there are people who can consistently do a stream of that insane size.
Co streamers arent the biggest issue but you cant deny that they are an issue. When the costreamers get big enough its just those viewers not watching for the actual broadcast at all. The people making the decisions see that happening and they take away funding from the broadcast because they want to buy their 3rd yacht or their 2nd beach home in Italy. Its not entirely the streamers fault of course. Riot saw it as a solution for a dwindling view count in the west and they went for it. A long term solution needs to be found or else more people that work on the broadcast will just lose their jobs and its not just casters at risk either because I know some weirdos will be cringe and say "I dont like x caster so im glad their jobless xdd"
Open circuit sounds like a cool idea tho and Id like to see it happen but I dont Riot wants to let go of control like that so Sadge
They gotta be able to control and push their narratives
Never feel bad about your success. Many people watch the league thanks to you and your analysis that you give. Co-streaming also allows you to express yourself more openly, which is often much more interesting for viewers. It seems to me that the expression co-streamers are leeches can only be used to those who watch the main broadcast in silence. People like you with such enthusiasm for the game should not feel bad because there are many people who are willing to share it. (hell im nor reading all that!)
when bjergsen streamed he would hold 40k plus viewers back in the day
I bet it’s kcorp canna or khan
For a breakdown of Caedrel's earnings:
Assuming the upper value of his range is his true earning, because why is he choosing 17k as the limit (LOL kinda random)
Hourly rate = $17,000/13.283hr = $1279.80 /hr
Hourly rate per average viewer = $0.0174 /hr/viewer
So his hourly rate is pretty damn good but as Caedrel says, getting that many viewers consistently is challenging for most. Also, for some reason I always thought that Caedrel did his own management, but realising he has a manager and probably a broader team behind him, that's a fair amount of cost if he's paying them reasonably. Still, he's doing very well for himself and it's thoroughly deserved!
To extrapolate an "average" day for Caedrel, assuming an hourly average audience of 20,000 and a 12 hr long stream, he's earning around $4,200 a day. Not too shabby at all!
You look like McLovin from Superbad
70k for 13hrs +-15k, 7k viewers for half of the time is about 750$, if you stream for 20 days its about 15k€.... pros earn about what? 8-10k a month and you need to actually have average of 7k viewers...... pro still pays more than streaming
Streaming has much more room for growth and other incentives so there is benefit to both, 1 may be better short term and the other long term.
@@vPzWalkerx streaming has also more factors, you have to be entertaining, have interesting content, build community, videos etc. its more than just put on twitch just cos you pro and viola 10k viewers
@@ono1113 Which is why there is benefit to both
streaming is prob better because you are your own boss and can choose whatever schedule u want
a 7k viewer stream makes on average way more than $750 in a 7-8 hour long stream. It does not reduce linearly like that. One reason is that not a majority of those 70k are subbing, while the majority of the 7k probably are. You're also completely disregarding sponsors, other sources of content/income (youtube, socials, etc.)
Large streamers/content creators make vastly more than pros on average, only exception being the top-tier paid players in the east (people at the top in LCK, LPL like Ruler faker knight chovy). And even then if you were to compare them to the top echelon of streamers, again it's not close (absolute top streamers are making in the 10s of millions per year, no single league pro makes that).
Caedrel is right about riot hurting league esports by wanting to control everything. CS2 Open circuit is so much better than leagues closed off 1 actual tourney a year schedule
a league pro should be able to pull in 1k after some consistant streams, if you made 13k with 73k avg for 13 hours, meaning you made £13 per hour per 1k views, £13 an hour is a decent wage
This math makes no sense brother, what are you even yapping about? Ads aren't the same for everyone, sub deals aren't the same for everyone and nobody is gifting shit load of subs to random pro playing League with 1k viewers. You are comparing Top 5 League streamer doing a massive co-stream and scaling down to random pro playing League for 1k. Are you okay? Also 13 an hour being a decent wage depends where you live.
You need to have twitch partner plus to get that (they give you 70% of the total cost of each sub instead of 50%). And partner plus is only if you got 300 tier 1 subs for 3 months in a row, and a 1k viewer streamer is not one that has 300 subs each month. And you have to consider the add reveneu because it will depend 100% on whos watching you. Sadly a south american or african viewer is not worth even a third of an european viewer moneywise (This is based on the CPM of the viewer). Definetly a ton of variables to consider. getting £13 per hour seems way too good to be truth
@@MartinWasTakensmaller streamers get way more subs per viewers than larger streamers. It’s not odd to see 1k avg streamers with like 3k subs. Especially for costreamers, they get fewer subs per viewer because the people watching aren’t “loyal” fans but just showing up to the pro game.
£13 an hour for a career that depends entirely on a platform, that could be shut down, on which you can also lose hype depending on ur character and the game, that has "skills" that dont really transfer to any other career, that probably takes a year of doing work without being paid is actually extremely terrible.
Bro wtf is this cringe hate dude???caedrel is doing a fucking good job and ive learned more from him in like 1 year than from all the years i watched the normal lec! His content is crazy also on youtube and you can also recognise his love to league ❤ greetings from Austria
Caedrel said "there is a perception" implying that people think streamers make way less money than people think. He then asked what people think how much that stream made, most messages in the chat were saying 10-20k though. He said it made 10-17k, so its actually spot on.
He clarifies later that the perception he's talking about is people thinking he makes like 50k-100k on a huge stream like his finals one. He's not implying that people think streamers make way less than he actually does lol.
Thats without sponsors or multi streaming and other income revenues. If were going to judge what streamers make and the perception around that i think 1 13hour stream probably isn't enough context.
Caedral would comfortably be a millionaire if he focused on making as much money as possible without question. Most likely already is
@@ImFataI Yeah but the perception isnt wrong. The chat guessed correctly.
Personnally I started watching lol esport again because of coStreams, I would have never watch otherwise
It's funny to me that Riot isn't prioritizing broadcast and esports in general (except worlds). Instead, tons of money is wasted for the skins, constant patching, new champs/reworks that 99% players (including pros) hate so much.
Riot should be ashamed that co streamers are able to get as much, if not more viewers as their channels do.
Europe alone has over 2-3 million active players and yet twitch barely gets to 100k viewers per game, unless popular team is playing.
Excluding China, there are over 9-10 million players around the world and if T1 isn't playing at MSI or Worlds, viewership gets fucked.
It's awesome to see Caedrel get 100k viewers, because he deserves it. It's awesome to see T1 get millions of live viewers because they also deserve it, but it's sad to see majority of games don't even get 50-60k viewer around the world.
Most of the revenue should go to esports. There is no better advertising than that. There is basically 0 competition between Korea/China and rest of the world. And yet, nobody is trying to fix that. Nobody is punished for not trying their best. Relegation doesn't exist, LCS and LEC are guaranteed to have 3 spots at worlds even though they barely get out of groups.
Who would want to watch the broadcast after that? Of course many people will go to Caedrel's stream, because he makes games fun to watch, whether it's his analytics, jokes or funny reactions doesn't matter. Casters are not even allowed to swear. They don't even understand game as much as some other co streamers.
Esports is the reason any online game gets big. There is no other way around. People who don't play league do know who Faker, Caps, Doublelift, Bjergsen, Rekkless and many others are and have heard their name at least once 5 or 10 years ago. Reason is very simple, it's fun to watch someone that is good at something.
Many people don't even play football and yet it's the most popular sport around the world, because it's fun to watch how games are played at the highest level.
If we asumme that the money dosent decrease per viewer when you have lower viewers he would make roughly 1,8 k per stream he usually streams roughly 2 times per week. That means Cedral on average makes 14,5k per month before donations and sponsors thats 174 k per year from Twitch subs and adds
Didnt think about the time streamed so these numbers are probably in the higher ball park
I make 4.5k a month. That’s still an insane amount in a single day.
If it's really Ssumday who joins KC ima start watching LEC just for that
The day KC understands that the problem was the fact Bo and Upset are proactive players and mid-support (arguably some of the most strong game changing roles in competitive league) were fucking NPCs, maybe we can talk about replacing the right players. Hell even Cabochard was fine
Btw what is bro yapping about 17:43. Last worlds fnatic had a better run, it like LEC is one thing but international is other
upset was afk this entire split what are you talking about "proactive player" lmfao
UPSET PROACTIVE XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
explain
Yeah, y’all would be saying the same shit if KC adc were some chinese mad psycho adc that only press flash forward, if both ur support and midlane are NPCs, your role as an adc is relegated to doing nothing
I only started watching LCK LPL LEC because of Caedrel. He is the product here, without his analysis and reactions it wouldn't be as fun to watch. do not compare esport with mainstream sports its not there yet and costreaming may bridge it to become that. without enough friction the league will die then there will be no broadcast left all together
nice
still 11-17k$ is about a years salary and that dont include the donations and thats for one day? and avg stream is 10k people watching then it would be 1k per day its still extremely comfortable earnings and its enough to retire young i do think not being aware how much money that actually is in eyes of working class people is are quite ignorant. I am not trying to bash caedrel for it, but it's true and i wish him the best!
Let’s say that average number between $10k-$17k is $14k. So he made $14k that day.
73k concurrent for that day. 13k usually.
73k/13k = .178 x $14000 = $2500
$2.5k average per day. I don’t watch caedrel that much but I assume he streams like 300 days a year. 300 x $2500 = $750k
That’s not including sponsorships so let’s just round up to $1m. He’s in the highest tax bracket so they take like 40%-45%.
He prob makes like 600k-1m a year
It doesn't work that way. Peeps are less likely to sub if the series is whatever.
medic is right at the end of the day what co streamers are doing IS leeching, but as a viewer I prefer the way caedrel talks about the game because I dont play LoL I just like watching pro play. The idea that co streamers are ruining "the product" is ridiculous imo because its not caedrels fault people would rather watch him than the main broadcast. Its up to the people in charge to be more creative and produce something viewers want to watch
Caedrel is 100% right on 3rd party running lol esports. It is cheaper, equal or higher quality, and it brings exposure to a bigger audience if lol is on stage with or at the same event as other games with big followings. That's how they grew initially, and then they went to franchising and everything went down from there.
It wouldn't be hard to have higher quality... They pay so much money for all the theatrics and performances(that nobody cares about), to have a glitchy buggy stream since last worlds?
Would not be hard at all to outdo the broadcast quality by massive leaps(in game viewing)
Riot needs to make more finals, so Caedrel can have 70k viewers consistently.
sad that he forgot all about league history, do hope he does it eventually tho
About the money thing. While 17k for 73k viewers for 13 hours is not a lot for the amount and time, low-mid tier pro streaming every day for 6-8 hours to like 7k viewers would still probably make more money in a year than their pro contracts. if its 10-17k for those viewers, making like 2k-4k every stream is still really insane.
Thing is that I can probably count the number of pros averaging 7k viewers on one hand.
When I see the non-superstar pros stream, they have like 1-3k average.
I watch your youtube costream. I dont watch twitch. I like to watch in my free time. Never have time to watch live. Love listening to capt flowers n kobe n all the other great broadcasters as well. I think people are watching you over riot cast is the fact youre allowed to be uncensored and are allowed to be biast n call it like u see it. They cant call someone a rat inter or show support for a specific team/player and rip off their jersey mid game 😂😂. Youre hilarious and genuine and thats what bonds your viewers over corporate bullshit. Gg madafaka
6:15 and CS doesnt care
So is he the 17k/day leach king now? 👑
If it weren't for Caedrel I wouldn't be watching live league.
15k average and not even including subs and donations!
He prob made 3-4x that easily as commercials pay next to nothing
I love how caedrel shows that he made 10-17k in a day so twitch chat could stop bringing up how much money he makes?????
sure bro, thats what I make in a year. gg.
Eu should sign prince he is so good.