This marker will change the way you work with sheet metal
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Plasma cutting is incredibly useful. Paired with bending and welding it is often the fastest and cheapest way to build any kind of mechanical structure or enclosure. Results that might take a day on a 3D printer or on a CNC mill can be achieved in minutes on a plasma cutter. Not to mention the cost of sheet metal is a lot cheaper than 3D printer materials or billet for machining. I'm constantly making folded and welded structures with my plasma cutter and every time I have the same problem. I will design a complicated folded part and then when I go to bend it I can't place the bends accurately. I'll spend a lot of time trying to measure them out but the plasma cutter can make any arbitrary shape which can make measuring difficult.
To solve this problem I designed and built a pen plotter head for my plasma cutter. It allows me to first draw all of the bend lines then cut out the part. This gives me perfectly registered bend locations that make folding the parts really easy.
This video details how I designed it and how it works.
These videos usually take a ton of work and a lot of money in tools and materials. I've made a patreon if you're interested in supporting the creation of these projects: / stuffmadehere
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"This marker will change the way you work with sheet metal" well i dont work with sheet metal, but thanks for trying youtube
I think he means "spend a lot of time & effort & money to not bother to accurately mark out the job"... 🤣 But an interesting project, nonetheless.
@@skysurferuk it has helped him a lot since
What happens when you eat foil? ....
You Sheet Metal
Is it you dad?
How IRONic?
I hate you so much for this lmao
What do metals call their friends?
Their chromies
Hehehehe....that was good😄
One thing I learned going to school to be a sheet metal worker, was having the plasma cutter pause for a minute at the point where you want to break so it creates a small notch, All you have to do is line the notches up and boom a point to bend at.
Yup, that is how I've been doing it.
Figured that would be better than this. But now he can cnc marker drawings.
@@mattaomartinez.9817 that's pretty much its best use. That sharpie line isn't really thin enough to be super accurate but he could probably figure out a way to fit a scribe pen into the same mechanism
@@mattaomartinez.9817 is your name as satisfying to write as mine?
@@MMattes lol we are gifts from god.
10:00 a tip I learned from an electrician. At the beginning run a rope through the rig to pull your cable. Instead of pulling just the rope and cable through, attach a second rope behind the first with the cable. Then you will have a rerun rope every time for the next pull. Assuming of course the conduit isn’t full.
Seems like you could just have one big rope in a loop, and then temporarily attach any other cable to it and pull it through
@@_Stormfather that works. We used pully sustems like that to pull cable in data centers where we had to run cables down tray over and over.
Sometimes you can use a vacuum to get a pull line through conduit if you put something on the end for the air to catch, like a bit of cloth or something.
@@sbsftw4232 I was going to say the same thing. Of course it only works on a solid conduit and one that has a lot room with no friction.
How odd... in the Netherlands any kind of electrical conduit is sold with a green nylon line already inside, specifically so you can pull cables through. That always struck me as such a no-brainer, that would just be irritating not to have. All the company would save by not doing this, is a few feet of nylon line costing fractions of a penny per meter.
Ok, I subscribed, but only on the condition that you put up something... anything.. about that christmas light hanging robot.
OK deal. I'll do a video on it for my Christmas special :)
@@StuffMadeHere meh.. I have to wait that long?? How about you make two videos on it and get twice the viewers
@@StuffMadeHere Pls I beg you make that video I don't care if I have to wait tiill Chirstmas
Ryan Rose yes, please
@@StuffMadeHere
Please don't wait till Christmas time to do the video....some of us might want to try building or designing one based on yours a bit before Christmas so we can actually use it for the upcoming Christmas holiday
It's amazing to see how much he evolved, and how his shop expanded with so many more tools. He came a long way, and I think all of us are proud of him.
Was thinking the same thing. One thing I noticed hasn't changed is his ability to share knowledge.
Most people that smart tend to say incomprehensible things. He literally worked for FormLabs to make that resin print, and when explaining it he doesn't mention any technical terms, not even resin. He really is remarkable
It is admirable that he does this for a living and then still has time and energy to do fun stuff off hours. Thank you for sharing your skills!
this is what he does for a living
That was some high-quality word play. "This made the problem of decapitating the pen retractable."
"De-cap-itating" 🤣 take my subscribe, you've earned it
Really wasn’t that funny. He earned my sub because he makes a lot of cool shit.
Just got it 😒
@@aallalalalallalalakakakaka4999 you earnt -1 points
@@aallalalalallalalakakakaka4999 -99999999 social credit
Note, you can just put springs inside the bore of an air cylinder, and not have to worry about a separate mount. The end caps should just thread off and let you stick it in there. I used this trick building a pneumatic 3-speed gearbox and it saved a lot of space and mechanical complexity.
This is a genius little hint.
True but not adjustable.
Having the intelligence to do something like this is extremely rare. Having the will to do it almost never seen. I wish I had the will and the resolve that this man has. Thank you for your hard work.
You don't need willpower when it's just fun. Do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life! Doing these things is easy for guys like us... and it doesn't take an engineering degree or the need to have a job in machine design. You don't even need to be a machinist, you just need to be willing to learn even if you do so slowly. It's more like playing with Lego blocks when you're a kid - you just figure things out and get faster over time. Best wishes!
- Max Giganteum
A tip for your energy chain, most times commercial electricians will pull a piece of nylon string through the conduit with their wires in case they need to pull more wire through in the future. This way they can tie the new wires (and another nylon string) to the old string and then pull through without having to struggle too much pushing wire through a run or trying to get something like a fish tape through.
This channel is what I wanted William Osman's channel to be.
cruel and harsh, but i kinda agree with you
fuck that hit hard. this is what William Osman’s channel was originally.
Osman kinda has gone to shit now you point it out....
@@GummyBearRacing to each their own, I enjoy both types of content.
Williams videos have gotten crazier in quarantine
Very interesting video. Enjoyed every minute
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what about the last 58 seconds lol
Eh, at least one or two in their weren’t that good.
Which minute was your favorite?
Jake Vote
I would have to say the second minute was my least favorite. Mostly close to the half way mark.
Destin sent me here and I thank him for that!
Me too.
you misspelled his name; it's 'Dusty'
@@reid-dye no its pinhead
Dusty sent mee here too
Destiny sent me here I thank it for that!
There’s a five way, 3 position valve readily available that might have saved you some effort lol
All your videos so far have both interesting content and a funny tone to them.
I like them a lot.
Glad to hear it! That's my goal :)
getting some thisoldtony vibes from it
I echo this sentiment
Your videos rock. So much goes into them -- editing, thought, humor, troubleshooting, more editing... -- amazing!
It is so fun and interesting to watch you state a problem and then work through it. Great work!
The This Old Tony influence is strong here.....and I love it. Watch out Mr. Old Tony, Mr. Stuff Here is coming for you.......with a plasma cutter.......and a pen.
There's no way he's not sub'd to This Old Tony. Just call it a homage.
@@Brian-mp2mv with a Sharpie?
ThePenIsMightier
I came to comments just to see if anyone has mentioned This Old Tony in the comments :P
@@LithiumLogica ThePenisMightier
This video is like a tutorial on VR. “Gosh this would be so useful if I just had 30 grand laying around”.
If you don't want used, VR is between $400 (if you go the oculus/facebook route) or $500 to get i to (assuming you have a gaming PC, otherwise add $600-??? Because GPU shortage)
I bought a used HTC Vive when I started, and it was like $400. A friend of mine got a nice $250 headset used to start.
So that's over a factor 100 cheaper than your estimate.
@@Fs3i plus its differentiates in other countries for better or for the worst but VR becomes cheaper the longer its around
Even an Index + nice PC is maybe $2.5k to $3k. In my case, I had the nice PC anyway, so it was $1k for the Index and it's a pretty great setup. The stuff in Shane's shop, on the other hand, is probably at least in the ballpark of $100k. Likely more for those of us who don't get awesome machines donated by sponsors.
@@Fs3i oculus is a scam. If you make an account for it you got a 50% chance your account gets banned for being considered a bot because you only made the account for VR and facebook wants to brick your shit for not selling them your personal data.
Nice "This Old Tony" vibe going on here. Always enjoy your content, keep on keepin' on !
Indeed! :) Well done.
Ok, I'm subscribed. I love seeing how people go about solving these types of challenges. Also, you've probably thought it out already and solved it the way that works best for you, but in my line of work, we often use a second cylinder to shuttle an intermediate stop into position.
IDEA:
You could score the metal with a pointy tool, rather than drawing on it with a Sharpie.
That would probably simplify the mechanics needed to make it work, and eliminate the "thickness" of your lines.
that'd be loud which he said he's against but good idea nonetheless
@@benfillman4049 It's not a chalkboard.
Scoring metal is actually rather quiet. Unless you decide to go Hulk on it and scratch the hell out of it.
@@benfillman4049 I believe he was talking about having problems with noise in the signal wires of the electronics, not sound noise
Pneumatic actuators aren't very quiet themselves XD
@@brown56765 then you could extend/retract the pen with standard kinetic wiring, like "muscle wires" and also use the flexible sleeve I described earlier to solve the cap problem which really wasn't a cap problem it was just a feature deficit in your design as applied.
I think I just redeisgned this to have no moving parts. YAY! NOTHING TO BREAK EXCEPT THE PEN!
I’ve been trying to work out the best way to do this myself. Thank you. It was a great video and I just subscribed and looking forward to watching all your videos.
From the land down under 🇦🇺
Your brilliance is equal parts inspiring and intimidating!
It’s amazing how much the recent videos have come on in terms of production ambition and narration!
personally, this is my favorite build of yours.
Like, an explosive baseball bat and a basketball hoop that refused to let you miss are super cool, but they exist for the sake of existing. This video shows the process of making something that will have more direct, tangible benifits in your future works. Same can be said for the video where you upgraded your coolant drainage system, but I personally found this one to be cooler lol
That being said, I love all the stuff you make and put out. keep up the good work!
You invented the Cricut plasma cutter! You'll make a killing licensing this to them and cosplayers will be upping their game 😁
I just found your channel and watched all your videos. Your one of the best new discoveries I've seen in quite a while. You have a great presentation style with just the right balance of explanation and demonstration. I'm looking forward to seeing what's up next!
Thanks! I really appreciate the feedback. You're totally right about the cricut - I wonder if I can put other heads on this machine...
@@StuffMadeHere Screw post spot welder maybe?
You forgot humor. His balance of humor is getting there. He needs a TOT time machine.
@@StuffMadeHere possibly a mill? you couldn't do hard metals but it'd do plastics and such easily i'd assume.
@@StuffMadeHere
Hello there, I have a question. How does the system know what is defined as a bend?
Unless I missed it, you didnt go into details about the software at all :(
The fine tuning you have to make your projects efficient just proves you’re a genius
When I was a CNC operator at a fabrication shop, I would use a Sharpie to layout the cut locations on sheets prior to cutting. I'm loving that someone else does this on a whole different level!
Loving your videos so far.
This Old Tony has some serious competition now!
I'm not an engineer, I just had a heap of casual jobs in steel fabrication through my life.
You can thank Dusten for the collaborate baseball bat video for me finding your channel.
Great content. Keep it coming :)
Can you include cad videos? I love watching projects that yield final results in the videos. A readable timelapse that's not too fast would be amazing.
That was an excellent video, with a very good commentary too, especially because you spelt out exactly how you worked out each and every problem step by step.!.!.!.!.
So I am going to be looking out for more videos from you.!.!.!.!.
Clever stuff I'm impressed. I have used a manual plasma cutter before but these machines are pretty awesome.
New maker channel! :D
Love how overengineered this is :)
Really enjoyed the 3D printed forming series!
Just discovered this from Destin’s channel. Been binge watching. So COOL. The amount of times I went “oh wow that’s ingenious” at every single little solution in each video is too high!
You know I never watch videos without skipping or upping the speed. However, I watched every minute of your video and didn't feel the need to skip once. I also rarely subscribe, I just had to subscribe halfway through the video because I will watch pretty much anything you make from now on. Not only this is a freaking genius idea, but you're also very talented in making videos. Thank you!
Keep em' coming, please! You have a very bright future on YT.
I did something similar on my table but with a carbide scribe with replaceable inserts. It has a compression spring on the z axis to compensate for material height inconsistencies. On 304ss or aluminum it works great. On hot rolled steel I need to run the g code a few times over to get through the mill scale. It makes for a very accurate bend line. Love your channel, you are one smart dude!
Can't you just turn down the laser and etch a line?
@@sbsftw4232 I don't think some plasma cutters support that... 😔
Nice! I've put a sharpie in the toolholder on a mill (or the live tooling on a lathe) too. CNC line-drawing comes in super handy for sure.
Nice! Very clever workaround to get what you wanted from the air cylinder.
I had a spring loaded peice of chalk/soapstone for this purpose on my cnc flame/plasma cutter.
I have been watching your channel for years and this is one of the most pure engineering solutions you’ve done. Also, one of the most accessible for us mere mortals. Keep on making wonderful things that your lovely wife doesn’t seem impressed with… 😉
"Accessible" - Just need a CNC Plasma Cutter :)
@@SomeGuysGarageif you want to upgrade a car, you need a car, that kinda makes sense
Yup, markers in a CNC or any cutter honestly is nice. Makes it so much easier to be able to see where you need to do the next steps
Initially I didn’t think the motorized aspect was an issue and thought why not just use a cam to “click” the marker. But this way is great. Love the videos, excited to see more of your content
I keep re-watching these videos because I find them super fun and inspiring and even though Shane posts regularly there just isn't enough new content fast enough :)
m2
about those wires in the wire guide, when i used to do networking cables for a server room that kept changing, i always had a piece of rope put through along with a new cable. i could use that piece of rope to pull another cable and piece of rope in the future without undoing ducting. might be an idea for you on some machines. nice vids you make :)
This is awesome. At my job we often do projects which involve cutting hundreds or thousands of unique parts. Sometimes they can be engraved by a cutter to mark part numbers or index marks. but depending on the material, sometimes this is not possible. If only our cutting suppliers embraced your tech!
I really enjoyed this, but compared to your more recent videos I see a HUGE difference. You should be proud of how far you came, you always had the talent to make great videos, but now you have the skills dialled in to edit them too. :D
I am perplexed. This guy is so talented. Humanity stands a chance with people like this being in existence. Also what a channel with a tiny amount of videos so far!
I’m just amazed at the way his brain works. Like I understand that once anyone becomes very knowledgeable about something they can do great things, but this seems different. It’s the awareness that it’s unnecessary, but the cleverness to make it legitimately useful or something like that. Idk man I’m not even smart enough to explain how I think he’s smart😂
Bro, you might be a genius.
Your vids are so interesting and I'm not sure why.
Keep em coming!
You just know how to build all the things I wish I knew how to build. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, these videos are great.
The correct valve for that would be a 5 way 3 position with a center exhaust. The center position with no voltage applied to the solenoids would let the cylinder float letting the springs do their job to center the cylinder.
The correct valve is the one you already own :-)
Hi... your videos are truly inspiring, innovative and with a crazy amount of engineering .. one very small suggestion is that you could use a 5/3 mid position exhaust solenoid valve + check valve crosspiloting (to stop wherever u want in the middle using just logic) instead of a 5/2 and not worry about using external springs totally... I can draw up a pneumatic circuit if you would like ..
Anyways thanks for all the creative videos.. :)
Awesome as always dude. Everyone needs a neighbor like you!
It’s nice seeing things made where I work get used outside on youtube
9:50 As a fellow CNC operator there is a simple solution to this particular problem. Mine just so happens to be 250 lbs. fly line backer. Fly line backer is braided line perhaps 3/32” in diameter and is relatively slick in nature. It is super easy to install also. Just tie it to one of your previously installed cables in the cable tray then disconnect and pull out the cable. Mark the fly line 4” below the point where the line stopped feeding back into the cable tray. Then pull the additional line out through the tray until you get to the mark. Tie a small weight to the other end of the line. Reattach the cable to the fly line ABOVE the mark on the line and pull the weight to ‘fish’ your cable back into position. Installation of this line should take less time than me typing out these instructions. I use a bent paper clip to secure the one end to the flex cable tray and a simple bread tie to gather up the excess at the other end of the tray.
Elegant. Very handy!
I'm hoping to see that tree climbing gizmo.
This needs more likes.
I was watching your videos on the explosive baseball bat really enjoyed them and about a month or two later saw the collaboration with Destin. Easy to see why he was interested I love your videos! Keep them coming!
I do this on my CNC as well sometines so I know how to position a part on my fixture plate.
For bending, I make small notches where the bend lines are, so my benders can use as a reference.
This is amazing that you have all this at home 🤯
new subscriber here. definitely diggin' the content here!
Awesome! Super happy to have found this channel, it has everything i like: (Over)engineering, chill narration that isn't trying too hard, and interesting builds that teach me how to solve problems i will probably never have.
That addon is so satisfying!
Great idea. Thank you for posting this.. I didn't know those pens existed.. Had been recapping at the end of sessions. Have been using a spring loaded holder to moderate pen pressure. Pneumatic retractor
Is simple yet effective. Nicely done.
this guy deserves more subs he should have at least 15-20 mil
Yay. This made it to the Hackaday podcast :-)
the amount of detail in the video, congrats man. subbed for sure. now if only i could make stuff like this outta metal, most ive done is wood and 3d prints
Amazed by all the engineering here! One quick tip that might help with future cable routing in your cable guides. Use a flexible sheet metal fish tape. You can attach various heads (small plastic 3d printed ball for example) so that it won't catch in all the crevices. Then use it to pull a nylon pull string. Whenever you pull something thru with your pull string, attach a second pull string along with it - so you still have one for next time!
You could’ve subbed in a scribing tool for the sharpie and wouldn’t have had to worry about the whole opening and closing aspect.
Exactly what I thought. Could use a diamond or carbide tip scribe with the same spring action. Less consumables and a much more robust marking on the material.
That likely would require surface following to a greater precision than the marker, and also, the drag force might be too high and the “breakaway” could trigger.
Also, easily removable line.
But your point is valid...maybe a spring loaded scribing tip?
That’s what I was thinking; just mount the scribe on a spring mount.
Then make air brush part with the blue dye
When was the last time you scribed a line at 90 degrees to your work? The tip wouldn't last 5 mins.
Thank you for making stuff, your builds are amazing. Over my head, but amazing. For more bracket and captured nut madness check out guys at Bad obsession motorsports, specifically project binky - let's just say they are the analog version of your work.
This is who you want your children to be around and learn from. Writing code, machinery, technology he does it all... and I’m actually amazed just how brilliant he is...
My new fav fabrication channel!
Great video. Very interesting idea, extremely well executed. I guess I'm going to have to subscribe and binge watch your back catalogue...
*sigh*
Edit: Stunned that you've only been on CZcams since March. Awesome.
Sadly, not a huge back catalogue...
You're a smart fella. You and Mr Rober should build a funky time machine, along the lines of the Rod Sterling (?) movie, and deliver us mere mortals more content.
Like pronto!
Mate, you should do a vid on who you are and your backstory. I'd be utterly fascinated to hear that, as I'm sure many others would.
I dares ya!
what program are you using for your plasma table? Is it as simple as adding another "tool head" to the program and having it activate the switch for the air line anytime that tool head is used?
I would love to know how you made the dxf side of this to work.
Also, I want to see the tree climbing robot as well. Love the channel. Subscribed! I plan to start making some videos in a year or so after finishing Mech. Engineering degree.
late reply, but im pretty sure what hes doing is just adding the offset to the precise coordinates it needs to start/cut
this was a awesome project. thank you for sharing..
first video i seen was the STUFF lock.
I add a pierce point to mark the folds. We are under so much pressure to get work out quick. Taking the workpiece straight off the plasma and directly to the folder saves valuable time.
Are there stl files for your pen holder design.. I really like this and totally see the value in time savings in an over time spent on projects.. the added value is you can visualize if/where will sit/fit on your stock.. great job!! Thanks
I'm an engineer and you make me feel like an idiot lol. You're so smart it's scary. It's like you're an engineer in basically every single discipline you can be an engineer in. You inspire me to keep learning so when I start having weird crazy ideas I can just do it myself like you are doing. Also, I want to one day be able to make things with Wife Prank Mode installed.
there is a engineering field for that mechatronics
@@killernat I'm a mechatronics major and yeah this is more or less what we do. It's all highly intersectional in terms of differing disciplines.
@@pivotnuke Mechatronics is so fun. But I do feel intimidated when watching Shane’s videos, especially knowing he is only 10 years older than me. He is working on projects that would take me months or years to complete.
Great mod! I've ben jamming sharpies into the plotter at work for 17 years to generate neon bending patterns. A full sharpie doesn't fit- you can put almost a 90° bend into the reservoir before it splits, but they also make the shorties.
Just found your channel today... Outstanding work! Can't wait to see what'cha got going forward!! 👍🏻🥃
How about a rundown on your plasma table ? I see ball screws. Did you build it ?
I'd also like to see something on the dies you are using on your bench vice to bend the sheet metal.
Are you using the sheet metal toolbox in FreeCAD ?
I actually made a Sharpie pen plotter on a CNC plasma cutter back in 1993 for a commercial kitchen equipment. It was very similar to this and used for the same reason.
I only just saw this one even though I've been subbed for a while - I made a sharpie plotter attachment for my CNC as I wanted to change over the wasteboard and needed the effective cutting area. While yours is a lot more fancy than mine and I am able to change the height of the Sharpie in the CNC, I did add a small spring into the sharpie holder so that if there is a height difference I don't prematurely ruin or break the sharpie.
"I love all my tools equally, that's what I tell my friends and family when they ask."
The question was: "Do you love us?"
That moment when your sharpie has a more legit bearing setup than the rest of the plasma cutter
Awesome build! If you tie a string to your green ground wire and pull it back thru the wire track you can route a fishing wire to pull multiple wires back thru instead of removing the caps .
Great Video! I have the same type of marker set-up for my CNC router.
The term that spontaneously comes to mind is "Practical Genius."
The request that I have is "More!"
2:13 that galvanized, be careful the fumes are toxic :D
So complex, yet so simple. Amazing, really.
Awesome system! Such nice work. Greets from Eastern Canada.
"I love all my tools equally" - that is what we say when the other tools can hear us.
I can see a Dremel like tool for engraving going in the maker holder.
That’s just called an engraved... lol
Loved it! You should have a part in the video where you go into details... Many of us like the nerdy part
I can't subscribe enough times to match how much I love these videos.
You might consider putting a spring loaded diamond scriber on there instead of the pen. An industrial dressing diamond might be a simple/cheap way to procure something tough.
This is a good idea. I have some carbide scribes that I was thinking of using but they are super pointy and draggy - they will definitely move the material around. If they make a blunt scribe that could work well. Do you have any recommendations on diamond scribers?
Great idea
@@StuffMadeHere I did a search for "spring loaded diamond drag engraving bit" on Google and it returned some useful results. The USA made unit has a much more shallow tip, like a dressing diamond would have, the cheaper unit is a bit more sharp. What I was originally thinking of was a "diamond dressing tool", these are cheap and blunt, there are some good examples on eBay.
@@StuffMadeHere as a general rule you want to avoid scribing any lines you aren't cutting as they are excellent stress raisers. Of course, fatigue failure isn't likely to be an issue in many applications but it's best to avoid bad habits! See pg 112 of Engineer to Win by Carroll Smith for a reference.
@@justarandom1 That was the point I was about to bring up. Robin and Stefan would have your head for scribing a bend line. That said, probably not a significant issue for a bracket.
"the cad is the boring stuff"
me: damn I wish I could've seen the design in cad 😂
The cad to cam conversion is what interests me.
Very happy that I found this channel