The City of Secrets in Flames: Broken Realms Kragnos Lore
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Grungni is low key the mastermind behind order, but he just lets Sigmar take the glory... and the fall.
Well, when you’re superpower is building cool stuff, you get stuff done
@@TheCrimsonSpork Also you learn to make change from in the shadows. Because your best use is away from the battlefield.
Well he did say in "Spear of Shadows" that that was Sigmar problems. Trying to solve everything with a hammer and not being willing to go down to your enemies level. Grungi has no such qualms.
Lol grungni is suspiciously much like azula.
If that's true, how come most of the Order is represented by Elfs?
A dwarf giving a pass?! And that to a dark elve?
Bring me the book of grudges!
I think the reason the Stormcast didn't leave that Troggoth boss alone to die of his wounds is that Troggoths are known to regenerate lost limbs and otherwise fatal wounds. They need to make sure he's down for the count!
That's my guess anyway.
actually something that Doug left out of the previous video was the reason Skragrott put the troggoths in front instead of the gargaunts was because they can regenerate and survive near fatal wounds better than the gargaunts and allow the city to waste its initail shooting volley. With the description showing that they could grow back whole arms and legs as long as they were still alive.
If the Stormcast backed away from the troll, he would regenerate his legs. If he is so dangerous without his legs imagine if he had them.
And besides, he could’ve just crawled after them if they fell back.
The scene between Morathi and Lord Kroak is actually the same scene from Kroak's model trailer. You should check it out.
"Kroak of Lustria, the truth is clear: That which we cannot kill, we must redirect."
Morathi-Khaine
Yes, though the way it was phrased i had initially thought she was talking about Kroak himself.
@@gwell2118 I suspect that was intentional, considering how untrustworthy she is. But I always thought that she was beseeching him directly, I mean, even the Dark Elves of the Old World somewhat respected the Lizardmen (albeit grudgingly), and Kroak's a pragmatist. He'll work with Morathi even if he doesn't like her, so long as she's useful
The end of the lore passages in the DoK battle tome alluded to Celestant Prime and Morathi coming to some sort of agreement in Dauntless Hall after Sigmar tried to reclaim Har Kuron. I’m guessing that is where she agreed to come to the aid of Excelsis.
That is almost certainly why. Because I doubt that she gave a damn about the Aelves living in Excelsis.
@@adambielen8996 Yeah there is no way she would show up personally unless she gained something from it. And I can't imagine she gained anything from helping defend Excelsior.
Maybe she was trying to kill the twins. They share a piece of her essence right. Maybe she can sense them.
@@placeholdername3818 more than likely she was trying to get some good credit back after Anvilgard by coming to Excelsis defense. Well i am very happy they didn't go "all is forgiven" and showed that she can't just flatter her way out of everything she does. I am very confident they will force her to make some form of concession in the future. Especially if they were about to execute her.
Itd hilarious. Even Be'lakor thinks the Twins campaign in Excelcius was a little lacklustre. Which is making me think that was the point. A little more thing that Doug kinda undersold. The Celestant Prime and Morathi weren't just bickering. The Celestant Prime actually had a force of Venators that ambushed Morathi and he was literally about to attack her with Ghal Maraz. So Grungi broke up more than just bickering.
And i highly doubt she was there to take the city herself even if Kragnos wasn't there. That would have been too risky even for her. And more than likely her only true goal was to get some points with the other Order factions by helpingout. sHE has shown more than once she does not value Aelven lives at all. Unless it benefits her.
Definitely! This was an attempted trial and execution of a god
All that build up of the Newborn just for them to get murked in their first battle lol.
Games workshop scenarists are the best....
With Grungni popping up more and more has me really hoping that there is more to his “secret project” than just the new stormcast armor. I’m really hoping for a new dwarf army that has the same old world feel that the Lumineth Realm Lords have. 🙏🏼🙏🏼
He made literal Plot Armor
Man GW really likes ogor mercenaries who turn on their allies. I’m pretty this same kind of thing happened during the end times where ogre mercenaries turned on a dwarf army as part of a plan made by a goblin war boss.
There was also the Frostlord from 1st edition BR battletome that kept switching sides in the Nurgle - Sylvaneth war. You'd think with a track record like this people would stop hiring Ogors
What i want to know is where Sigvald and Glutos went considering they were heading to Excelsis. Edit: The new short story "Premonitions" explained why they didn't show up.
I think Korak didn't do much, because he was just there, so he could protect that big shard of the old world, which gives prophecies if you touch it. That's all he cared about. Not the city, not the people. The shard is just so much more important to prepare the end battle against chaos...all part of the old ones plan :D
More than likely, having the shard fall into the Twins or Gordrak or heaven forbid Skragrotts grasp would have been a disaster. Kroak sees the big picture too much to not come to a cities aid unless there is a really good reason.
"He's a brand new model, They're not gonna kill him"
More like, he has a model, They're not gonna kill him. Characters with models are never gonna die.
Unless we get a second end times.
I find it more likely that Morathi showed up to calm Sigmar down. She doesn’t actually care about anyone except herself, elf or not. She wants to have her cake and eat it too essentially.
I was thinking the same thing. Her arrival in Excelsis was mostly to keep other Order factions from turning on her. Honestly, I felt she was the only character in all of Broken Realms who I ended up respecting more than when the story began. Don’t get me wrong, she’s super evil but she was the only one who wore it well. They ruined Negash and turned him into a joke as a character. The Slaanesh twins turned out to be kinda lame. And Kragnos just made me shrug. Kind of a letdown. Morathi owned being evil.
Well it honestly almost didn't work. They were about to put her down if Grungi didn't step in. But yeah this is likely her taking her sons advice into account " You can't just keep them drunk on the honey of your voice" if she actually wants allies shes actually got to pull her weight a little.
@@beastmendelegate1946 Speak for yourself, the twins are awesome in my book, kinda showing that they really are new borns, they don't know what their doing. And Kragnos has a lot of potential but he needs to be fleshed out more. He needs a novel to himself. And the problem with nagash is he's got a case of Skelator syndrome. He's gotten his ass kicked so many times its hard to take him seriously anymore. Morathi is fine too but i was starting to worry they were just going to basically turn her into a Deus Ex Machina character were she just does whatever she wants and there are no consequences. This book did a good job of rectifying that. Honestly the one who ended up winning the most was Be'lakor.
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I was clearly speaking for myself, lol.
I'm genuinely shocked the Dwarf God is back. I wonder where he's been.
He was playing Warhammer Fantasy Battle in his basement.
He had been hunting down Chaos artifacts and either cleansing them or repurposing them.
Realmslaying
The novel Spear of Shadows covers it mostly. Very good read.
Like how every book the main character wins big, Morathi, Teclis, Be'lakor than destruction gets the loss lol
Always the dumb faction. Lots of talk about Kragnos for nothing.... slaanesh twins was a joke
I heard mixed signals for this series but having finished the last part I can say with certainty, you can not call age of sigmar a stagnant setting, there is so much happening and I love it! Also thanks for the summaries Doug I really enjoyed every second of it and hearing someone else’s opinion is really great
I like AOS, but it still annoys me than nothing with a model ever dies. The books Keep trying to make a big deal out of a city being completely wiped out, but if the city is connected to a playable faction, then they just ad "There were some survivors, whatever".
Factions keep getting almost wiped out over and over. And if a god gets defeated, they always come back. Sure, Nagash is the god of Death, so he shouldn't die permanently, but it happens too often.
I still really like AOS and i get excited when new stuff comes out, but it just feels like nobody ever really wins.
I'm really excited to see what they're going to do with the reveal of the Seraphon, Grungni, Alarielle and Kragnos. Just like GW said, it's not just Chaos and Destruction that are getting stronger, Order's also stepping up their game. Darkness rises and the Light to meet it. Also, as a request, can you do a Kroak video, as the only major Seraphon character, your playlist is a bit lacking without him.
Yeah, one of the things there pushing is that Order overall was far too passive during the 2nd editionl The time has come for fresh crusades to go forth and actively try to retake the realms.
@@gwell2118 I think it's time the Seraphon came out of Azyr in full force, and for Malerion to finally come into his own.
I get what you're saying about Grodrakk, but in the context of the Orruk Wartribes and when compared to other Orruks - he IS more cunning... but compared to a character that cunning plans are his bag (hello Skragrott) he some dim witted in comparison. It's not hard to be a shinning star when the sky is so dark.
everythings relative.
I loved the doom style "im just going to walk in here and deal with all this that I really shouldnt be able to" of the witch hunters. I cannot wait for my versions of the models to come in
"Like something from a modern Kid Rock video...."
This is why I love you
You are a legend sir! I truly enjoy being able to listen to your summaries of the narrative. Keep up the amazing work man 😀
I listened to this while at work… loved it. Keep up the great work.
You, sir, are a great storyteller. Your enthusiasm for this material comes through and makes it more enjoyable to listen. Thank you.
Thx to Doug because the story was bad..... worse and worse
Many thanks Doug! That was amazing. I'm super hyped for AoS 3.0 now.
It could be grombrindal, in the spear of shadows book he and grugni talk to each other
Indeed. He is in Realmslayer talking to the avatar of Grimnir
The newborn being defeated so easily is so incredibly disappointing to me. They were supposed to be scary and yet are banished by some witch hunters? Not impressed at all that was very anticlimactic
Aos lore is so bad, really..... this book is a mess (BR kragnos). Its too much, destruction, stormcast, slaanesh, the skavens, the seraphons and morathi in the city..... unreadable, bad writing (just finished reading mine). Pfffffff disapointed. Time to move on version 3 for the best i hope....
@@gwayawan you joking? This book rocked! And loved the siege of the city. The Twins getting banished was a little anticlimatic though i get it as they wanted to focus more on Kragnos assualt.
@@gwell2118 best case this book looks like a bad Marvel. Sorry the story is beyond chaotic (my point of view). Glad you enjoyed it
Loved the whole list great work and can’t wait to listen to more
very awesome audiobook to build dexcessa and kroak to, i love br so much! awesome summary!
With all the stress in The city of Exelsis, the white reaper probably feels liberated after being zapped up to Azyr for reforging. He may even take his time.. :D
No kidding. If i were him i would ask to be transferred to the frontlines. Its probably safer.
Great stuff, really enjoyed it, but I didn't quite get the Slannesh bit. Felt like a lot of build up but then the whole army got killed by 3 people
From a fellow writer, good use of perspective on your narrative, mate.
Also, Morathi-Khaine is bloody awesome.
*Describes the after effects of Slaanesh torture*
“Not having a good time.”
2+ Tough is the unmitigated master of understatement and that's why we love him.
So this along with the other Broken realms books were great but this was my 4th of 4. I am happy that Gordrak didn’t get buried.
This book felt like it was introducing a lot more than telling. Setting a lot of stuff for 3rd’s main arch stuff.
Solid 4 book series. 7.8/10 on a whole
Any chance you'll be doing a lore video on all of the recent dwarf stuff going on that was in white dwarf and broken realms and waht it could mean?
So every year in January/February in San Antonio (except this year because COVID) we run the Port Maw event, which is a massive game, up to 4v4, a siege on a city in Ghur. This story is everything I want that event to be, lol. We were even already talking about incorporating the Warcry players with Catacombs objectives to sabotage under the city walls, to open up paths in the main big game
I love that Morathi doesn't feel like she needs to justify anything. And she doesn't.
Gods are like States. They exist in a state of anarchy and are beholden to no one except for other gods that can confront them.
If she has enough power, which it seems like she does, then the rest of order can rage all they want. They can't tell her what to do.
quick nitpick, Morathi actually created an illusion of the draconith empire, which he charges forewards to smash. but not without essentially saying to morathi "This aint over"
The way the newborne were told, they sure don't feel like a threat.. Two greater deamons with a deamon host taken down by two mortals and a single stormcast.. Why should any army or city fear them?
Well they are literally newborns. Like an infant fighting. I think we’ll get growth stories showing them come into their powers
@@Ortoreus i don’t know.. Sadly greater deamons have a sad record of being more banished with no real damage being done :(
Atleast in 40k that’s the case
They are NOT greater demons
@@tobi2174 in 40k yes, but look at what Skarbrand did in the realmgate wars. AoS treats it’s big bads with some more respect imho
to be honest that was a little anti-climatic. Though my hope is they will get their due in the new edition.
"Titillating" I see what you did there XD
@2+ though, you should really read eight lamentations: spear of shadows, a lot of grugni and other fun god stuff in there
I reckon Morathi was practicing Bismarckian realpolitik, whenever he took something through war from a major power he would offer them a diplomatic concession to avoid lasting animosity. Morathi strikes a pretty major blow against the established Order order, so some magnanimity with that newfound power was a good tactic diplomatically.
I loved it. Thank you. :)
About that fight with the troggboss. Even without legs, it likely would have crawled, or walk with its arms. Still an active threat that needs address considering the damage a troggboss can do.
I vote we change the name to Warhammer Age of Morathi. Definitely the coolest character. ;)
Excelsis is having a really bad day
This book left me very disappointed. We got all the named destination characters together leading the greatest distribution army every. They spend so long building this army up and it got completely destroyed by a city of sigmar with a few other order factions helping out.
Aww I like all the crazy faction fighting in the game actually, there are all these fronts and different forces are fighting for the city. But I hope the free-guild get a real chance to shine eventually. I have this image in my head of orks falling to traps and ambushes set by the guard. The soldiers probably take a lot of that stone that tells the future so they use that to it's fullests effect putting traps where they need it most.
We got a new edition release date! More preorder details on June 13th. Actual preorder date for Dominion box or just the corebook itself will begin on the 19th of June. The dominion box will be physically sold in-stores on the 3rd of July.
Also (sorry for double comment) croak seems to have more to add in a future story as seraphon have started to show up, alarielle is definitely being set up for her own story, mannfred still has some sorta scheme going that I don't thing was resolved (intentionally losing against nurgle) grugni seems to be making an appearance. Lots of new threads to be pulled at from this point on which is very exciting
Alarielle was supposed to have her own story. The fourth book was supposed to be about the Sylvaneth, Skaven, and Beastmen, with the first act of this book now instead covering what was supposed to be the contents of that book. They canceled it to accelerate the AoS release schedule and crammed the rules from it into this one.
The Slaanesh army rising from within the city to attack Excelsis while the Destruction army fights against the main city defenders in the siege kind of reminds of the fighting for Altdorf during the End Times. While the main army of Nurgle was attacking the city from the outside and fight the Empire and Bretonnian alliance Ku’gath Plaguefather and Festus emergency from within Altdorf to destroy it but they were defeated by an alliance of King Louen of Bretonnia, Wounded Imperial Troops and an army of undead lead by Vlad
The whitereaper didn't die if I remember you said he was poisoned and asked for someone to get the seraphon.
Wish GW would let a different grand alliance win for a change. Would be cool to have a "reconquest" of Excelsis later.
I'm not a fantasy battles player so I've got no attachment to all the old names, but I think it's kind of a bummer the old Dwarven gods are still around. I thought the KO had a whole 'the gods didn't save us so we saved ourselves' thing going, but it turns out the gods are still here? If they did help the KO secretly it undermines their independence, and if they *didn't* help the KO secretly then what were they doing!?
Let's keep this thing going its an amazing break down lore video
Thanks for your excellent coverage of the Broken Realms saga. It's been great to listen to!
I feel like BR: Kragnos was the weakest of all the BR stories. There's a lot of sound and violence, but in the end the only things that has changed is some new models are now in the game, so it feels much more like a marketing push than a satisfying story.
Despite the mixed bag there is a lot of dynamism here and in the series as a whole that makes me excited for 3rd edition. Something happened for every faction I follow and enough happened for Orruks to cause me to want to start that Greenskins army I always wanted.
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SAY IT ISNT SO THAT ELVES MADE THINGS WORSE
It's justified Doug! #MorathiDidNothingWrong
Why didn't lord kroak send him to chaos hq/ all points?
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Belakor is right. Newborn has bad start. Who knows mb Belakor will teach them some tricks.
Newborn parts feel like they acknowledge how poorly hedonites do on tabletop when two humans and a lone stormcast destroy them.
Slaanguffin 😂😂😂
To be fair, when is town not in flames? In the Callis and Toll books, it almost got consumed by Tzeetch.
I don't know if the Celestant Prime has an ace up his sleeve or if he's just gone crazy; challenging Morathi like that.
He couldn't even defeat lady Olynder in their previous fight. Hopefully he had some upgrades, otherwise..Eck.
I'm not sure Morathi cares much about whether other elves live or die. Maybe Morathi was targeting the city of Excelsis to make it part of her empire, but Kragnos beat her to it. I can't tell. Maybe more info will pop out the in the future.
The implications for the future stories are interesting.
Well to be fair the Celestant Prime was winning against Olynder and was the more powerful, she just got a lucky shot with her hour glass. Better believe he's not going to let that happen again. In addition its heavily implied she was weakened from getting her ass handed to her by Kragnos, and with the CP having Ghal Maraz and the back up forces it is concievable they very might have killed her. Again gods are not immortal and can definatly be killed. And given her performance against Kragnos she doesn't seem to be the most effective fighter.
As for Morathi obviously not, more than likely she was just trying to earn some good will after what happened in Anvilgard. Its very unlikely she was trying to take the city. The Daughters of Khaine don't have nearly the forces to truly threanen Sigmars empire directly. Even she wouldn't have tried to take a city that large herself (for those wondering Anvilgard as far as cities go was actually quite small, it was considered more of a border settlement).
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I have a question. Where is GorkaMorka?
No one knows.
Lord Kroak flings him further into Ghur? Why not into the void?
Fuck this ending.
Morathi got to win in her book, Teclis won in his book and while Be'Lakor didn't win in his book, he still basically succeded with everything he wanted to do.
Kragnos just straight up lost. Destruction finally got their place in the spotlight, but they are still just "the dumb ones". I thought they were building up Kragnos' revenge on Lord Kroak, but no. He was just tricked again. And Gordrak got his ass beat over and over. Champion of Gorkamorka my ass.
And The Newborn!!! They were built up so much to be "More than just a Greater Daemon" but an actual personification of Slaanesh! I thought they would be on the level of a god, especially since they were so similair to Morathi. At first i thought they were gonna get to fight Kragnos, which sounded awesome. But then i thought they would fight Morathi, which sounded even better! 2 souls fighting eachother with 4 bodies! They could tell Morathi that "YOU MADE ME!!" basically. It would have been awesome. But NO!!
They got killed by 1 Stormcast and 2 Witch Hunters.
I don't care if it makes me sound like a stupid gamer, but Be'Lakor was right. That debut was freaking sad.
Soooo the twins are wimps that two humans can punk.
Kragnos is also a little lack luster.
“Scrap and trash modern kid rock video” hilarious
the ork always lose, it's tiring
Hehe…. Titillating. 😂
I don’t know I like the idea that they used a misdirect to the Kragos out of there, but I guess my only hiccup with that plan is if you’re going to throw a distraction God into a hornets nest why not just throw him right into the middle of the ever chosen’s chaos keep in the eight points. I mean if you want to put chaos on the back for it just seems like that’s a great way to start is just hand them up walking earthquake and see what they do.
I but I do like the idea that There is Miss trust between the elves and the rest of the order races because that was one of the things that always kind of rubbed me wrong was how willing the elves were able to play with all the other order races it just makes sense that there should be some miss trust their.
But I still go back to this idea if all it takes to become a God and AOS is to eat some room stone and some souls there should be a lot more gods walking around
Well there is inevitably going to be issues with different people living together, but i don't really see the Aelfs having more trouble working with other races than the Duardin, etc. As for the whole god thing, gods in AOS aren't really gods the way we think of them. Its honestly more of a title to denote a powerful being. They aren't all powerful or even really immortal. And really to reach the level Kragnos did is honestly not an easy feet and even he almost died several times on his long road to power.
@@gwell2118 No I understand that it’s a way to denote a powerful being my point being that there should be 5000 of these beings running around the mortal realms right now and they’re not. It’s kind of the Fermi paradox of ASO. If gods can be creatives so “easily” then why are there not thousands.
@@Phox532 Well again Kragnos rise was not particularly "easy" and the story makes it clear he was very likely the most powerful of his race. Or atleast the most skilled in combat. And technically there actually are many beings with that power. You have godbeasts, dangerous monsters. And quite frankly very powerful servants or allies of existing gods. I mean there are certain greater demons that can probably go toe-to-toe with a god. And Gordrak literally fought evenly with Kragnos, so he could technically be called a god. Again godhood is more of a title than entity. And there are godbeasts that even Sigmar or Gorkamorka couldn't beat.
And all that aside the story makes it clear Kragnos rise to power was a little unique, and likely doesn't happen very often. What with finding all those unique artefacts and winning all those battles without being killled long ago. In addition being able to inspire such belief in Orruks is not easy.
@@gwell2118 That’s why I put easy is in quotations. But again my point still stands there should be thousands of beans that are as strong as Kragos or Any other member of the pantheon
Wait so if Be'lakors dark cloud is still in effect then how are those new stormcast from the Dominion box still able to resurrect?
I feel like BR needs a subtitle. like, Broken Realms: It's all Morathi's fault.
Jokes aside, Broken Realms was awesome. 100% better then the psychic awakening.
I can't help but feel that this was a total throwaway of kragnos, I enjoyed your story telling but they shouldn't have bamed this book after kragnos. I know nothing about his motivations, his speech, what he thinks of the new world around him, even gordrak was an orruk but was cunning and it made him interesting.... but This guy is just really powerful and it takes another God to tangle with him...so uninteresting. Oh well great video anyway!
Morathi wins Broken Realms. Kragnos was shrug-worthy. Negash was thrown into the trashcan. The Newborns were anticlimactic. Kroak was “Slaanguffin”-(perfectly said) as per usual. Skagrot was pretty cool. But Morathi wins.
Runner up: Belakor.
I suspect we're not quite done with Kroak yet.
Sorry im gonna have to give this one to Be'lakor. What did Morathi do? Take a relatively small city that she was basically already secretly running anyway. Be'lakor literally shook the whole realms.
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Morathi betrayed her allies to become a god, stole from Archaon, stole from the Deepkin, then allied with them. She took control of an allied city through force, then rolled up to save the day in Excelsis. All the while suffering virtually no consequences.
Belekor made a cloud and got lizards to fight chaos.
I’m kidding. Yeah, he showed up too. But I still say Morathi wins. She became a god. That wins.
Not gunna lie, the slaanesh demons sound super weak. Doesn't make me wanna buy the model. I'll stick with sigvald leading my armies
I dont know about these broken Realms. I am getting kind of sick of hearing about order and stormcast just getting super stomped.
But they still somehow win every time. Every fucking battle is a pyrric victory.
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Yay! Finally first! Also great video!
Edit: Morathi’s appearance was unexpected but welcome, Kragnos is an idiot, Kroak and the newborn content was disappointing. Oh also they are supposed to announce the preorder info for dominion today so keep your eyes peeled.
GW should enlist you really. You are able to create some interest for every stories they propose through their books. But to be honest, the lore is poor and not immersive as WFB but you do your best and thanks for that.
Please don’t, he would be locked behind a paywall just like the creator of Astartes and we would lose the most down to earth warhammer yter
You mean better than WFB in every way and GW was dumb not dumping the old world sooner you mean. Imagine describing an old world story. Halbadiers die in droves but get saved by some regular human through the power of plot armour. They end. WFB had terrible lore.
@@gwell2118 WFB was far from perfect but it was a coherent aggregation of all nordic, european myth, even some orientals lore are present. I like the concept of the 8 points, the varanspire, the cosmology, etc.... but the stories are bad, the writing is terrible for most of it and its too fast!!!!!!! Doug here is magic really, because hes able to make things epic but the thruth it is not. The slaanesh twins, what a joke, kragnos: pschitttttt, nothing just a dumb big guy. Be'lakor plot in the precedent volume was good but they killed it instantanely with the brand new Primaris. Is there any good scenarist within Games Workshop??????
@@gwayawan so you didn't like some aspects of it. That doesn't make the lore bad, and honestly a lot of Kragnos was pretty good. The twins were meant to be portrayed as inexsperienced, everyone just assumed they were god-tier. And Be'lakors actions were not undone it set up the next narrative event. Sorry you don't models but the Stormcast new units are greatly recieved. These stories have been greatly recieved and honestly Broken Realms is honestly better than 80% of WHF stories that are just nonsense battles over no-name hills because they couldn't alter the map.
And the old world of course it was coherent in that regard, they just took medieval history tropes and just changed the names. But the writing for the old world was nothing special, it was sword and shield non-sense and they tried so hard to make it grim-derp that it was a miracle that for example the empire even survived as long as it did. It just kept getting saved by plot armour and bad writing mixed with one mary-sue after another. People just overpraise WHF because of nostalgia it was a boring setting overall.
And honestly most of the nations in the old world weren't even fleshed out really, Cathay? rip-off china with little lore for years. Tiliea? Whats that GW says. Araby? Rip off crusade era Arab stereotypes that we never see. Only the actual old world and the elven lands were fleshed out really the rest of the map was just nonsense. Older lore doesn't count that was retconned years ago for other lands. And most of the characters in WHF were boring clichés. With a few exceptions. You think Kragnos was boring? He is basically just like every Ork character ever concieved by GW, and most Ogres.
If you preferred WHF thats fine but don't try to argue it was better written. AOS does a much better job of creating engaging narratives with real imagination that don't stagnate for literal decades.
@@gwell2118 as i said before FAR from PERFECT but i expect more from GW at this stage. For the twins killed by some witch hunters really? They are supposed to be demi god....
For the rest i agree with you.