NEW Intel 13th Gen i9 w/ RTX 4090 - Does M2 Max Get DESTROYED?
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This is the MOST powerful Windows Laptop money can buy with the FASTEST i9-13980HX mobile CPU AND the BEST RTX 4090 GPU. Did you expect the M2 Max to do SO well? Comment below!
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Hey, where is your deep dive into the new Mac Mini that we were promised??? Full review of the Mini (Base vs Pro, different storage sizes, everything)
Try the test for chrome. This is not apples to apples. Edge is optimized for windows and you’re using safari on Mac. If you’re gonna do it apples to apples it should be chrome for both. But real optimized performance should be edge vs safari
This is not a laptop computer, is portable computer.
I have noticed that you were using CHROME and SAFARI. The test is not fair. You should be using EDGE and SAFARI, or CHROME on both.
Apple should bring M2ultra to MacBook to compete with intel laptop
Apple moving to its own chips for ultimate optimization was an absolute killer move. Suddenly Apple laptops are insanely competitively priced.
Can't run games
@@samejima3859 At this point most games are available on macOS. And for the few which aren't you can just use parallels…
@@The-Rest-of-Us 3000 dollar for 35 fps gameplay
@@The-Rest-of-Us totally biased review dude comparing gaming laptop without playing game 🤡
@@samejima3859 Depends on the game. World of WarCraft for example which is Apple Silicon and Metal optimized gets like 200 fps out of an $1800 MacBook.
I love that consumers have options not only for max performance but also efficiency too!
Sorry man, the youtube comment section is not a space for this type of smart and reasonable opinion
Yes, BUT, I’d like it to run Kaiser but cooler. I don’t understand why or how Apple decided that running at 100+ degrees is normal. It is extreme thermal stress on electronic components
I totally agree, you may as well get a pc for more performance and a lower price if the laptop just stays plugged in.
@@Perceptence no they didn’t
@@Perceptence programmed degenerescence?
Not having to have it plugged in is beautiful
stop it bro that's the only thing apple fans can brag about
@@yashas1322 I am rarely at home and travel a lot and not having to be on life support every time I take it out of the charger is a very nice feature
@@yashas1322 what’s the point of it being a laptop if it always needs to be plugged in… efficiency is way more important than performance..
Agreed!!
U r correct
36W vs 200+W tells everything I need. Intel is just not an option if you plan to keep the laptop unplugged and get something done.
Intel actually raised tdp much higher than it should be, that cpu is only 55w but ti draw up to 200+ watts, while AMD capped their new 7040 cpu to only 45 watts (with igpu) while still maintaining a speed of a blazing fast i9 12900h or i5 13400F speed
@@MTN1601that’s quite an interesting point. Intel seems to be doing what AMD did 10 or so years ago. How times change!
@@MTN1601 intel has done this in the 13th gen. They basically have an unlimited power target and the wattage will keep going up and up till it hits the thermal throttle limit of the cpu cooler. So the better cooling you have the better performance you have , cpu would remain pegged st 100c no matter what you do. And i think this will introduce a lot and lot of premature cpu failures in intel 13th gen laptops and desktops. Any cpu running at it's thermal limit will not last long, it could potentially last over it's usable lifetime but the chances of failure is greatly increased. Amd traditionally had this issue where chips would fail prematurely due to improper thermal solution and running at tj max all the time. Macbook pro's from the 2013 era with ati graphics are well-known for this issue.
Some ryzen 3000 ando older cpus used with stock coolers and overlooked have similar issues this is why i have a thermal throttle limit set at 70c for my r7 1700 , incase some fan dies or something happens to the cooler the cpu would stop increasing power draw as soon as it hits 70c. Many has killed their cpu running too high of an overclock for few years. Such issues do not exist with the 5000 series. Or atleast i have not heard of one.
@@MTN1601o, the AMD 7040hs will not be as fast as the i9 12900h. They said 30 percent better than M1 during their presentation . Where are you getting your numbers from? Mind you I’ll be buying a 7940hs laptop but gotta realistic.
@@mariozamora9684 Which chip are you talking about there? regular M1? M1 Pro? M1 Ultra?
30% faster than M1 Ultra would be significantly faster than a 12900K
Loved the comparison! It's amazing to see how fast laptops are progressing, and its great having so many options based on personal needs and mobility. The 4090 mobile (aka 4080 desktop version) is shockingly powerful for a laptop GPU, but apples power consumption and optimization for video editing are world class. Great video, I really enjoy your though testing and graphs! 👍
@@LawsonEnglish pasti dapat mengejar... Intel pake metode bypass . Tak akan terkejar. Sedangkan m3 hanya mengandalkan optimal nya mac os 😅
4090 mobile is more closer to 4070-ti desktop other than 4080 desktop
Watch "ben g kaiser" he has also tested on battery and off battery
You mean software integration?
4070 ti or even 4070 NOT 4080
I wish you had done a benchmark on the number of rainbow flashing lights on the exterior
The mac would obviously win this
And, is there any way to turn them off? This is the second review I've seen of this thing and no one mentions that ability. MSI seems to think anyone who would buy this thing would want to see the RGB effects all the time. So, I guess, 14 year olds are the target buyer?
Yeah, what’s up with the lights? Do people think it’s attractive? It takes a serious machine and makes it look a toy from 2005.
@@vileforfeit Yes people do think RGB lights as not only cool and attractive but also sophisticated and funky especially with the ARGB controlled ones. But this laptop's lighting effects look nothing good to me to be honest.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat I would find it utterly distracting. I guess it’s one of those situations where I have to say “this product is not made for me.” I am not a gamer. From a marketing standpoint, it takes a powerful machine and makes it look gaudy. But then again - I notice that gamers like things that light up. What do I know. Thanks for the feedback
Well this just simply shows how the most important thing could be OPTIMIZATION, not raw power and spec sheets, this is why I'm loving this Apple Silicon era and I've been a hardcore PC guy.
It think of it like a fight where the question is: does size matter. A well-trained smaller fighter, vs a much bigger fighter with next to no training but relies on brute force. Who would win?
Same here, ive always been on windows but recently caved in and bought an m2 macbook pro. I gotta say, its probably one of the best devices ive ever purchased. The performance is crazy for how lightweight the macbook is and the battery life is absolutely killer, and for me personally, macos is amazing for productivity and work related things aswell. 10/10 honestly.
@@yungface4572 Apple offers great laptops to satisfy the rank and file. That's their market, and they built laptops and tablets that appeal to them.
Conversely, Windows goes well beyond that and offers extreme performance, specialized, apps specific laptops for the 20% of users that operate outside of the Bell curve.
A gaming laptop, for example, is probably the most popular specialized laptop. But there are many others with applications that are certified to work reliably on these types of machines.
If you need a laptop to run simulations or that can withstand a harsh environments (MIL-STD, Getac IP 65/67) Apple doesn't offer anything to fill that market. Rest assured, when you need a desktop replacement or rugged laptop or pad, you will know it.
You're so hardcore. 😂
@@krane15 thats crazy but i dont need any of that, i need a lightweight and decently powerful laptop with a good battery life and the apple silicon macbooks have all of that, i just have a windows PC at home lmao
I think M2 14inch + Windows RTX Intel Desktop works out to be ultimately the best combo. I have been like this since m1 came along, most of the compositions are done on the go and when I am at home I do all the exporting/rendering via the desktop.. onedrive and having 1gbps internet helps immensely!
basically what i got, m2 air is very nice and i got a 12900k 3090 at home
There is no such thing as best. Best depends on usage and the type of work. Is a Ferrari the best car? After all, it has a beautiful silky smooth engine. But not if you need a vehicle for construction.
@@awadbuisirme ryzen 5500 with 3060Ti plus mac air m1 base model just for go browsing in coffee shop/ with friends
@@tiiiooooooo nice, i prefer windows but mac easily is the best laptop
yeah i have m1 pro and 3060 Ti with Ryzen 7600X and am pretty happy with both
this is the comparition I was waiting for! Very well made! Depending on your needs and software suite Mac, could be better even in the budget side. But it's very hard depending on your exact software
Why doesn't he try AMD?
Seems you forgot to enable the Dual Encoders the 4090 has. You have to enable it for Davinci in the Export settings. I suppose your just not used to it since its new.
Yep, it for sure wasn't enabled. Hopefully they correct it. I'm really curious about the real export times.
I’m also curious where the Intel iGPU is. I didn’t see it in the task manager clip. Some programs will use Quick Sync for decoding some clips and codecs. In theory there should be 3 media engines in the Windows laptop, one QSV and dual Nvenc.
Don’t count on them enabling it. They ignore any comments about windows device performance. I’ve said on several videos they need to use Unigine heaven or valley for a gpu/gaming benchmark.
still needs 5-10x more power, so a bit faster speeds, who cares if it runs like a jet engine and needs to be plugged in all the time?
Macbook Pro ftw
@ImpactSpace they why do the comparison at all? I do think this is a weird comparison as the one is a true portable desktop, but if you're going to do it, you should at least use them both in their best performance modes.
You know a Windows laptop means business when they tack on casino lights.
Windows laptops are trash.
@@DustyKing And still they don't crash MS Teams 100 times a day.
@@Hardcore_Remixer I know Windows doesn't crash MS Teams 100 times a day when they crash MS teams over 200 times a day. Windows os is super limited & can't do so many things.
@@DustyKing MS Teams crashing many times on Windows? I used it during the pandemic for online schools and I can't even remember it crashing. Sometimes even 10 hours a day and still no crash. Also, I hibernated my laptop, so the up time also reached huge amouts of time.
Even after I followed a lot of tutorials to reduce the idle RAM and CPU usage. I even stopped Windows Update (yes, it can be done).
Also, without any spite, may I know what can Windows not do and MacOS can? I'd like to know what I'm missing as a Windows only user.
@@Hardcore_Remixer Can a windows machine work seamlessly with other devices? Can Apple Pro apps/software work on a windows machine? Does windows machine have iMessage, Airdrop, Continuity Camera, seamless synchronization with other devices, handoff, focus modes & reminders synced across? Can I unlock a windows laptop with my Apple Watch Series 7 45MM? Can I use Apple Pay on windows? Does windows support Keychain passwords? Does windows have the Bear app? And Bear app is not made by Apple.
These are just some things I listed (software) related, but we can talk about laptops too.
I can list so many other things that I can't do on a "limited" windows machine.
These step-by-step buying guide videos are my favorite. Thank you.
No matter how powerful Windows Laptops are, I'll never buy them ever again. I used to have a high spec one that is dead in around 1h without the plug, and it sucks when I want to work outside without power outlet like some coffee shop.
This is the video I've been waiting for. And I'm really surprised by performance in DR18. Seems BMD really optimized their software for Apple Silicon or media engines are smoking fast there. Thanks for showing you rendered it on NVIDIA encoders.
Mac M2 seems like the best bet for people doing video editing on the go. And I'd say even for studio work might be better to have Macbook pro since you got this option for mobility and using 1/4 of power (which is quite expensive nowadays). Only missing thing in Macbook is 10Gbps network port, so you need a dongle or hub.
Watch ben g kaiser comparison of Galaxy book 3 pro vs m2 pro.
Galaxy book 3 pro faster in video editing even unplugged.
He is using free version of daVinchi. Only studio version supports hardware acceleration(media engines) in Windows for encoding and decoding.
@@HDRPC Thx for the hint. Based on the review Galaxy Book is almost a M2 killer :D (at least in Davinci).
i jus said "screw it" and bought myself a m2 pro mac mini
@@JoATTech wait for meteorlake, Intel core ultra, in September 2023. Huge uogrades are coming. I don't want to spoil things. Just wait and see.
@@heyolorenns I got normalm M2 Mac Mini and send it back. Got RTX4080 for my PC, and M1 Air as a laptop :D. Best combo ever for Davinci Resolve (although I would prefer M2 MBP :DDDD).
Always enjoy your reviews and breakdowns!
Make sure you enable the igpu in the windows laptop as the cpu has built in encoders for h265 and will double the video encoding performance. You may not have an igpu in that laptop and therefore video editing will be only done in software which is really slow.for video editing on the pc always use an Intel processor with igpu. It really helps.
yes he doent know maybe
Hardware encoding is fine with either a high bitrate or if you don't care how the output looks but for video editing (which is, presumably, a source for upload/distribution elsewhere) you'd want the highest possible quality. Software is slower but it objectively looks better, acceleration isn't free and a lesser source leads to an even lesser upload post compression.
he used that RTX 4090 encoder, RTX has encoder/decoder for H264 and HEVC, Intel Quick Sync is only for machines without discrete GPU
I've pitted the Apple M1's H265 encoder and the RTX 3070 Ti, the results are on par. But if you want to work with AV1 codec then RTX 4000 series is the only option because the SoCs out there don't support it yet including M2 series
@@quynhvir which application. The 13th /12 gen Intel cpus have some support in resolve and the rtx3080 runs a lot better with h264 and h265 if you enable the igpu in bios. Have not tried 4000 series, but in the reviews they only shine in VFX. Sadly and cannot combine their igpu with the rtx cards in resolve. Have not tried premier yet
If apple had stayed with intel until today, this 13980HX would be the macbook pro CPU of 2023. Since Apple always opts for low power consumption, it would perform like the unpluged tests, which were better than expected in my opinion. But Mac GPU would be Radeon 6600M, which is at the middle of M2 Pro 19 core and M2 Max 30 core. So, Apple succeded in that. We only need Metal and codeweavers to catch up!
13980HX*
Not sorry to break it to you
But apple MacBook don't have enough power to run it
Underclocked, of course, as they always did with high end laptop intel processors@@hodayfa000h
I'm loving these comparison videos keep them coming... Good job
Great video! Really in-depth and helpful for making a buying decision.
Keep in mind that the GT77 is like an overbuilt workstation desktop replacement hence the insane price point and weight. You can actually get something more portable with equal performance for a lot less. Pricing is very competitive this year. The Asus scar 16 which is only $2900 has the same CPU, slightly slower but still beastly 4080, and miniled screen. Don't forget Intel is still on their 10nm+++++++, so this level of performance and efficiency is mind blowing. Can't wait to see what apple is cooking up for the next gen. Great job team pc!
all of the 4090 laptops are very expensive. Nvidia is charging an arm and a leg for these laptop GPUs.
Efficiency is nah have it unplugged and it’s gone after 2 hours of video editing at max
lol after Intel finally switched from 14nm+++++ to 10nm and now 10nm+, you think they would be stuck at 10nm like they used to with 14nm? 7nm (Intel 4) is production ready now. lol
@@MendAmar they already delayed the switch to the new process node.
Nonsense.. show me a more portable GTX4090 laptop for a lot less? Not happening
Gaming laptop on battery is always limited to only 60 FPS to maintain longer battery. You can disable the setting usually on the laptop settings or BIOS.
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It's not the unified memory on the MacBook for the web based performance. It's the javascript accelerators (not sure exactly what hardware that would be but it is heavily accelerated both hardware + software) on the apple chip. Apple saw the mobile future and invested big to make sure web stuff runs great.
A 2018 Ipad pro gets a better speedometer score than one of my desktops and I know for a fact that desktop runs circles around the iPad in literally any CPU compute benchmark. The wonders of ASICs! Like I would never in a use an 2018 iPad pro to develop stuff but the benchmarks for web stuff say it's faster than that desktop! Defining the end goal in a nutshell. Apple chose the stuff that their users would care about and tackled that while intel is solely focuses on enterprise as they can sell one their chips for $10k to them. For enterprise stuff that can leverage AVX512, the intel chips (the ones that have full avx512 hardware) would absolutely demolish the apple chip. It wouldn't be close. They would also pull ~350W in the process.
The biggest issue is the fact that a maxed out 4090 laptops costs $5k. That's unacceptable. $4k I could see, but 5k? For such a large and heavy machine? Just build a desktop, it'll be faster, much quieter, and cheaper.
But the high power consumption, you say.... This is a desktop.... That you would spend $4k on. As long as it runs cool and quiet, power consumption should be the least of your concern. You'll spend like $200 max on a power bill for that system unless you render stuff 24/7.
dave 2d has video asus 2080 for $2500 that would be best bet.
Nearly everyone misses the entire point.
Apple focuses on creating the best user experience for the masses (who are casuals when it comes to tech) not nerds. The more people you can attract to your product, the more money you can make. Simple
I think I’ve just come up with a new benchmark for y’all. A VERY CPU intensive one: astrophotography image registration and stacking. It takes a while and pins the CPU at 100% for quite a while so it would reveal thermal issues as well.
Watch hardware unboxed
Interesting comment - what kind of Hardware are you using?
very in-depth, as always!
Amazing job! This is great comparision.
Just wanted to point this out about the web-related tests. The performance of those depends A LOT on which browser you use. On my laptop on the speedometer tests, the results can vary close to 15% on different browsers, and when loading websites, some browsers load them 4-10 times ( literally ) than chrome did. I'd say the browser tests weren't so fair
so which browser is good on windows?
@@aibi5532 I'd recommend edge. Opera is good but after a while it got laggy for me. Edge is refined and has a lot of features. And I realized that a lot of browser performance depends on how clean ur os is. I installed ghost spectre, my laptop which was getting 150 (around that) on speedometer 2.0 went to getting 250 just from a os change. using Edge with ghost spectre windows 10 rn, probably 3x faster than opera on windows 11. (I've got a budget gaming laptop, 1650 and a i7-10750h)
The lengths some folks will go to in order to say, "our products beats the Mac".
If it has to be kept plugged in then it's not really a laptop is it? More of a Desktop in a laptop shaped enclosure.
Love your videos!! This really has been helping me.
I can see the appeal for both machines. The mac you get a consistent, energy efficient package. The MSI you get flexibility at the cost of weight, size and noise. I'm hoping for a slightly more "normal" laptop with one of these Ryzen 9/i9 16/24 core chips. I'm happy you show unplugged performance, since it is a laptop and being unplugged is a reality for me.
I just want a macbook-sized laptop with a Ryzen 9 and a 4070/4080 like GPU.
Looks like these newer laptops need to have options to undervolt; they don’t have as much control with the BIOS but apple doesn’t give any control to SOC so theres that to think of
Thank you for this... very helpful and surprising! Please consider adding some After Effects tests into the mix : )
That would be glorious
Thank you for all in info you provide
Thanks for the reviews and benchmarks, very helpful for buying decision!
Watch m2 pro vs galaxy book 3 ultra or 3 pro 360 in "ben g kaiser" channel.
General knowledge is Intel QuickSync is a beast in the 13000 generation. You should have tried Resolve with only Intel QuickSync enabled, and Nvenc disabled. TechNotice did a test where for Resolve QuickSync is even faster than the desktop 4090.
The M chips benchmark, workflows, and efficiency are amazing, but when games are introduced. It'll struggle (granted the laptop need to be plugged in to get all its power).
So it's much better when you use it for creative and productivity.
Intel i9 13980hx or 13950hx scores 20k cinebench r23 in 55 watt limit, on battery power, unplugged. Watch "jarrods tech" review of Asus scar 18 2023.
Watch "hardware unboxed" review of i9 13950hx.
youd actually be surprised, my pc cant run cities skylines as well as my m2 mbp 14'
Wow... Such a detailed video. Thanks
Thanks for this very detail and comprehensive comparison.
Many thanks.
Last year I work from home using a dell precision.
That laptop is a beast, but I really hate its energy usage.
Its adaptor is around 250 watt.. My current laptop adaptor is only 45 watt.
5:01 Are you sure it's because there are two SSDs in it in RAID 0? If I'm not mistaken this MSI GT77 Titan is the first laptop to have a PCIe Gen 5 SSD, I think that's why it's in the 10-12GB/s range. I think it's a safe bet to presume that the M3 Pro & Max MBPs will have PCIe Gen 5 support and therefore 4 lanes of Gen 5 going to the SSD as well, or to otherwise expect the SSD speed to increase since their competition will also make the switch to SSDs that can hit 10GB/s+.
With the 330W power brick (1.3kg), that MSI laptop (3.3kg) weighs in at over 10.1# (4.6kg) carry weight, not counting case or accessories. The MBP is 4.8# (2.2kg) + .5# (.28kg), and because of the battery life, you often won’t need to carry the power brick. Makes the 16” M2 MBP ~1/2 the carry weight.
And what’s hilarious is I see kids saying they won’t even touch a MacBook Pro 14” because it’s too heavy….and they can literally only use a MacBook Air….guess they would think the MSI is like lugging around a dead body. That said, anyone who lived in the age of actually carrying books around in backpacks, would find the MSI still manageable….
@@NOT_A_TOP_FAN Not really. I’ve been carrying laptops since the mid 90s, and never have any of them been as heavy as that MSI, and some of those were still heavy enough to be physically uncomfortable to carry for more than the 3-5 minutes it might take to get from car to office. Lighter than books, yes. Light enough to actually be portable? Not exactly.
Now, if you spend the money for dual power adapters, and leave one home and one at your office, maybe it’s manageable. Of course, that’s only viable if you have just a few fixed work locations. If you actually need to be mobile, you’re back to carrying the power brick, and/or dealing with reduced speed and battery life issues.
But even my current work laptop (Dell Precision 7520) is a pound lighter (6.2#) than that MSI, and the power adapter is about half the weight of the MSI adapter, total wt under 7.5#, and it’s still uncomfortably heavy to carry for more than 3-5 mins. And that’s with a lightweight carrying case, and the only other thing in the bag is a lightweight Logitech M325 mouse.
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Great content!! I’m getting so much info to help me decide what to purchase.
You need to redo with dual encoder enabled. As a casual gamer the new Mac is golden because “we" finally can live with out fan noise ❤
Watch hardware unboxed for same laptop
I would wish for both, M-Soc being three times faster in 3D Rendering and a 4090 maybe a little slower but at least just draining 45 watt. Which would still be the double of the M2 Max GPUs. Then we would see some real competition. As it is these two seems to have different purposes in which neither am I to find. Hah. Want and need MacOS and want and need 3D Rendering Performance. Haha.
Watch hardware unboxed
I appreciate your works. Thanks
They're both very powerful machines, it just depends on the purpose a user wants a laptop for, that's it.
Surely the main purpose of a laptop is to be portable. Not needing to be plugged in.
this wasn't helpful at all, psychobabble.
@@CT-vm4gf Everyone has different needs to a certain degree. Just because it doesn't work for you, that doesn't mean it doesn't work for someone else.
@@CT-vm4gf the main purpose of a laptop is that it’s not a desktop. What that means to you depends on you and your use case.
@@CT-vm4gf I want to also game on my laptop, can the macbook do that? See, it depends on what you want to do. I own an M1 Max 16 inch Macbook pro, i wont waste my time frying to game on it, thats why i use both windows and mac, they dont satisfy my needs on their own.
Nice video, but could you use the same browser when using Speedometer?
No, that would not make sense, he use the browsers people use. Yes Chrome is slow as f*** on Mac.
Excellent overview as always!
I must say I like both a gaming laptop and a macbook completely different tools, ones great efficiency for editing and the other good gaming machine. They can't be compared because they offer different options from another
But they do crossover in a multitude of use cases. They’re multipurpose machines made for a lot more than just strictly video editing or strictly gaming. That’s why it’s good to see benchmarks in 3D rendering, code compiling, ai compute tasks.. there’s plenty of people and industries that can benefit from the strengths of both machines
Watch ben g kaiser comparison of Galaxy book 3 pro vs m2 pro.
Galaxy book 3 pro faster in video editing even unplugged.
He is using free version of daVinchi. Only studio version supports hardware acceleration(media engines) in Windows for encoding and decoding.
@@technochookcould you link some video about that comparison
the issue with all non-Mac laptops now, is that they're not *really* "portable computing" because for full performance you need to be plugged in. so all comparisons are ultimately apples v oranges and not just because of the OS
Actually those Windows gaming laptops are " transportable " rather then portable... They are power sucking machines and when you need the max power that can be delivered you must plug them in to a power socket. An expensive toy for gaming addicted persons...
The limitation on maximum power comes from the fact that the battery cannot deliver the same power as the power supply. Apple's microarchitecture, rooted in smartphones, is energy efficient. The x86 microarchitecture always assumes that there will be a power supply.
Chips made in the same factory, only at the expense of microarchitecture, cannot have a dramatic gap in performance per watt on the diagram.
If you want Apple to make a chip equal in performance to the 4090, on the same nm technology and consuming 50 watts, I have bad news for you.
@@vifvrTtb0vmFtbyrM_Q you were quite eloquent until you mixed x86 with the 4090 GPU.
@@xeon2k8 why ? SoC vs x86 or SoC vs x86 + external gpu. which is fairer ?
@@vifvrTtb0vmFtbyrM_Q ARM vs x86 is just a matter of efficiency in the architectures. As you well explained. But GPU on both computers is just about size of the chip, that's all. So doesnt make sense to talk about neither of the GPUs here.
This is why I love your channel. Spectacular reviews
I reckon you’ve helped me hit the nail on the head with my options. I think I’m gonna have to go with the MacBook for what I wanna do. I’m still concerned about the slower SSD in the M2 Pro model though; how to get around this I’m unsure.
Upgrade the storage to at least 1tb and you will get full speed ssd
@@artemis1747 is that all it is? So 1TB plus drives run faster?
@@tomrandall6539 yes, the ssd problem only applies to base models, so 512 gb 14 and 16 MacBook Pro and 256 gb m2 air and MacBook Pro 13, anything above is getting full speed ssds
It would be cool to have a comparison with the new razer blade 16, since probably is a bit more portable than the msi and has also a 13th gen intel and a 4090... obviously in terms of fans noise and heat I don't think there is competition against a m2 max
Watch hardware unboxed
Excellent comparison as usual, but I'm used to have the laptop unplugged now, and that's a very, VERY big purchase factor for me.
Great video!!! Keep up the good work :D
I love how the MacBook Pro is the thickness of half the MSI gaming laptop and you guys stacked another one underneath!
it's also reason why it still runs above 100°C while consuming fraction of power :D
Can you game on macbook?
@@amirmousawi9156 yes, but not as many games as Windows.
@@TazzSmk I feel like if the MacBook Pro was the same thickness as the MSI gaming laptop, it would run a lot cooler.
@@xXWillXx yes it would, but Apple is apparently not able to do so....
Wow, I didn’t know that rtx 4090 laptop exists
Btw, it’s weight is the same as the cheap gateway laptop with pretty decent gpu from 2010 (gateway nv54)
The chip is actually basically a 4080 chip and it’s powered lower too. It would be more accurately named 4080m or something like that. It’s quite a bit slower than a [desktop] 4090.
just released
What software does he use on the MacBook to check temperatures and package powers?
nice one, keep up a good work.
Optimization is Apple’s not-so-secret weapon. Having a tightly controlled and balanced hardware/software environment really gives them a leg up. Imagine what intel would be capable of if they also had the same control over the operating system level of optimization. Not saying they’re entirely incapable of optimization but it helps ALOT to have proprietary systems when it comes to efficiency.
The problem is that's the states exact reason PC users despise Apple. The entire point of a PC is YOU own it, therefore you can customize it how you will. The entire problem with apple is they made it clear they don't want you to be able to own what you purchased. You purchase a MacBook you can guarantee when a part goes bad you won't be allowed to fix it. The only thing saving apple from being worse than John Deere is they can't set an alarm to go off when you try to make repairs.
yes true, especially on the video he unplugged the computer and it lowered performance by a LOT
that performance drop is not even the hardware's issue and is completely Max Tech's fault he should've used an optimized OS or did registry and etc editing for it to run as fast as possible even when unplugged on windows which isnt so hard ngl
It is not so Optimization but the legacy support that MacOS don't need to deal with. MacOS does not need to worry about ISA support and basically use the fastest instructions available, not have to worry about someone still using a HDD as a their boot drive or remain compatible with countless old device drivers. You are also at the mercy of Apple on OS support. Typically, you can get anywhere from 4 - 6 years of OS updates. After that you are basically forced you throw away your perfectly working mac. Windows11 is an odd ball in that it required TPM, but you can upgrade to Win10 on a Pentium 4 system from 20+ years ago.
Is laptop gaming optimizado En gamming 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 el driver de Nvidia es la versión de estudio 🤔🤔🤔
No, it is solely due to ARM chips. They are far superior to x86 for laptops period. For desktop it is still clearly Windows, but laptops... Apple has upper hand there.
4090 laptop has 2 media codec (dual) just like m2 max, but, 4090 shows 125fps when exporting while m2 max showed 165fps and that 4090 usage was near 100%. I think these new rtx 4080 ( it also has dual codec while rest of the rtx 4000 laptop gpu's has only 1 ) or 4090 laptops need optimization to take advantage of that 2 media codec🤷
It was pointed in comments that author forgot to enable the Dual Encoders the 4090 has. You have to enable it for Davinci in the Export settings. So probs double the speed but can't be sure
@@Squizz11222 he conveniently forgets some stuff when it comes to windows. he wouldnt even pin the comment . Shame 1m followers and still biased and misleading as before. I still remmebr when they wrote the weight of the LG gram on screen wrong by mistakle ofcourse making it look like it was heavier then Macbook Air. its literally called the gram its right there in the name the whole marketing was based on how light it was , but apparently they made a mistake and macbook air was much lighter in the comparison video... LOL
Yes 100%
Even av1 20 to 40% more efficient than hevc.
Watch hardware unboxed of same laptop
thanks for sharing this video 🎉 as always, awesome
Doesn’t the MBP have a Performance Settings too?
With a fraction of the raw power the Mac was still faster in several tasks, which shows the superiority of the architecture and software stack.
Just curious…In the task manager clips, where is the Intel iGPU? Some video editing software will use Nvenc and Quick Sync for different clips and codecs.
Love these videos! Keep it up
While it’s great that these products exist and an impressive feat of engineering, I struggle to see the appeal of a laptop that large, for which being plugged in is basically a requirement. I just can’t think of many scenarios where you wouldn’t just be better off with a desktop PC that’s much cheaper, upgradable, can have any size display you want, and have money left over to buy a functional laptop if you really need one.
If you need to keep working on your project and can do it at office, home or hotel room, but cannot really edit on train. And when you really need the speed. Both laptops are other use scenarios.
@@Squizz11222 i dont think you would lost that much time by choosing m2 though. losing 2 minutes of render time for portability rather than transportability is fair enough for me i guess
@@nhs.14 Don't forget the MSI support up to 16 TB of SSD storage, the MPB tops out at 2 TB. That's a major difference for anyone working with large video files.
@@SweBeach2023 you are talking about 0.0001% of laptop user here. I bet someone who need more than 2tb on laptop ssd is a lot lower than someone who choose msi because they have.. you know… something like rgb? Because most video editor can life with using something like nas or something. How many people need to edit more than 2 tb project on the go?
That's because you don't have an application for it. Reminds me of the same logic when choosing a vehicle. Take the Cadillac Escalade for example. A single person would look silly driving it. But if you have a family of teenagers or need to pull a boat of trailer, then it makes perfect sense.
Thank for the review...
Great review and comparison.
The fact he present the computer with the cable plugged in, while the mac is unplugged kinda tells you the whole story.
Yeah
Intel i9 13980hx or 13950hx scores 20k cinebench r23 in 55 watt limit, on battery power, unplugged. Watch "jarrods tech" review of Asus scar 18 2023.
Watch "hardware unboxed" review of i9 13950hx.
If it has to use that much power and needs to be plugged in to maintain that much power, it’s more of a desktop than a laptop. As impressive as the power is, it’s much more expensive which you hope it would be better. I wonder if it matters that you have the macbook on top another. Also, knowing that the intake vents are on the sides of the macbook, why then do you have the laptops next to one another? Spread them out a bit, the camera can still get both if they’re have some space between one another.
I've been saying this since the HX series was announced, they aren't laptop chips, they just aren't, as much as Intel might dress them in laptop clothing, they use desktop amounts of power so they are desktop chips.
I doubt the MacBook was thermal throttling in this comparison, the 16" thermal system is well equipped to handle a full load on either the CPU or the GPU, or a mixed load on both. It only really throttles if you are stress testing both, which isn't a real world scenario.
the word is "transportable."
Though they keep misstating the price difference- if the apple was normalized to 64/2tb, it was nearly identical.
@@jasonorourke8316 a Mac mini is transportable too, but it’s not a laptop. If you can’t use it for what it is intended in the form factor it’s in, what’s the point? It’s all great if you have an outlet nearby or a large enough battery bank, but even if you have that, that laptop guzzles power up.
@@nitsugazemag no, a mac mini requires a keyboard, mouse, and display, and can NEVER operate without access to AC power. A transportable does not require those components, and can operate on the road, just not at its best.
@@jasonorourke8316 I know. I do understand. Just my opinion. I wouldn’t want to lug around a giant laptop to be constantly tethered to an outlet to edit videos. It’s an impractical laptop. What I was getting at was that a Mac mini can be transportable too, but it would need all its accessories to work stationary. However, that is by design. A laptop that is as you say transportable is more stationary if you need to be in close proximity to an outlet. I was making the comparison for the literal sense, it was a slight joke.
thx, really helpful
Been a while nice review
Max: unplugs the machine
MSI: turns screen off
It is a windows thing Apple fan boy. When you unplug it it will go to 60hz turn everything off that doesn't has any use etc.
Stupid fanboy appoh
@@user-nq5wd6oj5u the aggression is crazy bro calm down, it was just an observation lmao
@@sorrai facts most of the time hurt buddy, so don't be surprised when someone got triggered over it
This guy used a gaming laptop in a comparison and didnt play a single game to check its performance and viewers and applauding to keep up the good work, what happened to these people? Strange
A lot of graphics intensive works like 3D CAD rendering is heavier on GPU than most games.
@@weiminn so in windows u can create and game, Apple only create then play on windows? 🤔
@@zonejvm What I'm saying is video games are not the only way to compare Graphics performance of 2 systems, you child.
@@weiminn got it, thanks for the clarification adult
I love watching these videos even though I’ll never spend that much on a machine. Made the switch to Mac a few years ago and I don’t see or family ever going back to windows.
thats because you dont game or do demanding tasks on your laptop
When I was in school, Mac was the sole machine for professional audio and video. People were completely invested in them and their peripherals with no intentions to ever leave. Then suddenly, out of nowhere, Mac abandoned FCP completely. Leaving all it loyal fanboys, eating cake. Point being? Never say never. BTW, remember when Sony made the Vaio?
Hey I got a question I am thinking about buying a laptop. Right now my top 2 are: asus rog 18 highest specs 4tb, 64gb ram for 4700€ or Msi gt77hx 2tb, 32gb ram for 4700€. Which is better in your opinion? Also can I reach the max stats if I uograde the msi with kingston 64gb ram set or should I just wait and buy the more expensive version? If you know anything that would help me decide I would really appreciate it. Watched nearly every video from you and other youtubers but still cannot really decide.
Well at least you can also game in 4k with that MSI and get photo and video performance close to the Mac. This way you don't need two machines, for work and gaming compared to a MacBook, yes the windows laptop is heavier and bigger but it also does more things so I guess it depends on every individual's needs.
This computer is for people who need a desktop. People who would most likely be better off buying a cheaper desktop with equivalent or better specs, and using the leftover money to buy a laptop that actually functions well as a laptop.
Good to know.... But I have a hard time going Windows route. Apple Eco system is just so good (having multie apple devices)
hank you for this video. Very nice...
It's so refreshing to see that they're more neck and neck, I mean, better competition between products means better results and products for us the end consumers 🔥
thats just not neck and neck sorry I have been a windows fan but macbook smokes this laptop.
@@abhinavacharya4287 how lmao
Did you even watch this video?
It's Mac who got smoked
Neck n neck on these tests. I'm sure there's others where there's not contest. Games would be a good example. Scientific simulations where double the RAM (and faster) is essential is another. The MSI is a gaming rig.
I would love to see the full tests run only on battery to see the performance and how long the machine runs.
Watch ben g kaiser comparison of Galaxy book 3 pro vs m2 pro.
Galaxy book 3 pro faster in video editing even unplugged.
He is using free version of daVinchi. Only studio version supports hardware acceleration(media engines) in Windows for encoding and decoding.
The answer to that should be obvious. Mac are optimized for long battery life over everything else.
You should've compared the max with ryzen chips, especially the new laptop ones
Thanks for the review love how the Mac book is half as thick as the MSI titan
Very useful information
High performance Intel laptops are at a point where they only make sense if you work a mix of in the office and from home.
Watch ben g kaiser comparison of Galaxy book 3 pro vs m2 pro.
Galaxy book 3 pro faster in video editing even unplugged.
He is using free version of daVinchi. Only studio version supports hardware acceleration(media engines) in Windows for encoding and decoding.
That's their advantage. Its more of a professional grade. The Mac is a full-size truck. But the Windows machines are heavy duty and beyond.
@@krane15 i am very excited for meteorlake🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Most incredible reviews amazing as always, keep up the great job guys.
Good job, Thanks
The MSI weighs exactly 50% more than the macbook pro, not double!
Well this channel is Apple biased so obviously they will trash everything else
+msi have 17.3 inch display and full size kayboard. Macbook 16 inch display. And listen them when he speaks on prise. He makes mistake or he is lying.
@@shotachocheli3820 noticed that too, he did everything to trash msi and it still handled everything well. I was waiting for the gaming part but forgot that Mac’s are trash…
@@Super01041994 He never talks about the negative sides of the MacBook. worst channel ever.
It's actually nice to see the MacBook wiped out in some parameters so Apple have something to aim for.
Still, I don't think Apple have too much to worry about as their sophisticated coffee shop clientele would not be too impressed with something that resembles Times Square at night.
I mean the mbp is still a far better device in terms of being a laptop.
Thank‘s for the great comparison
MSI: “Ha ha I win in benchmarks”
Mac: “See you at the finish line hot shot”
(smokes MSI in nearly all real-world tests while using 1/8 the power)
Yup that’s pretty much how it always goes. Man I love Apple silicon.
Most beautiful thing about MacBooks are they performs the same plugged or unplugged !!
But finally good to see windows catching up the competition….
Catching up 😂 nice joke apple fan boy
@@theoneonly5368 let me know when macbook can run minecraft 😂😂 windows is better and more popular stay mad
@@theoneonly5368 windows is better in every categories
@@theoneonly5368 ahhahaha in your dreams stupid appoh fanboy
Apple 8% in the world Windows and PC 90% android 90% Windows PC and android total 180% Apple 8 - 4 iPhone = 4% MacBook ops .... Sorry.... Stupid
@@eibarmanpessi1142 you do understand that you will have to plug in the msi machine all the time to use all of it's power right? remove that and it will die before the test even finishes.
love the content, but i find it somewhat interesting that if the macbook wins it's because of the 'unified architecture' or 'the efficiency', whereas when it loses it is because the app is poorly optimized. The entire adobe suite (and probably some web-based applications too) are very badly optimized for windows. If we talk about 'real-world performance' almost everything depends on optimization for both machines. One app will he better optimized for one machine, one for the other. The raw performnve of the msi is clearly higher though, as you have shown.
And so is the power draw.
But in the end optimisation matters. It’s a big part of performance.
So people need to know what programs they use & chose accordingly.
A lot of the stuff that isn't optimised for apple silicon is such because Apple silicon is relatively new, whereas the Windows combination has been established for decades. There are really no excuses for not being optimised for Windows/Intel/NVIDIA - at least, there isn't much hope of something that's unoptimised for them becoming so any time soon, which is not the case for Apple silicon, which is getting new ports and optimisations all the time. It's less of an excuse on Apple's behalf, and more of a caveat that "this performance is likely to change".
@@thebuddercweeperperformance likely to change maybe decade or so ...or 2035 to catch up with Nvidia Intel and AMD? ( on that time intel AMD Nvidia has bleeding edge ) M series just go low power CPU for portable machine with weak IGPU no matter marketing gimmick try to push the user about unified memory architecture to eat Nvidia GPU capability? Did the test running on Nvidia Studio or Geforce driver?even with ML software such as Pytorch /KERAS Kubernetes will eat apple lunch even -though apple try hard with their METAL API ... the best example we can see here with the Tomb Raider game with inconsistent frames rate ...nah that game METAL optimized api ... your argument is blunt...
@@D0x1511af welp you won't find even 4090 enough if you talk about pytorch/keras, we use at least 8 stacked DGX A100 to make it even worth the talk. dont push your luck to talk about deep learning in desktop environment when AI data center exists, thats not what they are meant to be used for
Please try both laptops unplugged and plugged in at the same time while doing all of these processes. It will be fairer if all circumstances are the same for both laptops. I'm also curious about which device lasts the longest.
Are you really unsure which will last the longest?
@@buymac Just for fun.
This is a fight between a desktop replacement/portable desktop vs a laptop!
I am wondering what is the battery life for the MSI system.
Watch hardware unboxed
Still prefer apple Mac any day of the week I am too invested into their eco system to change
Omg that laptop looks horrendous
Yes, i wish they a more modern gaming laptop that looks slick and basic, it looks like my 2010 gaming laptop
@@nioxity the razor blade has always been deemed the macbook of windows gaming laptops because they look sleek compared to most other laptops out there
Would love to see the blade 16 against the m2 max. A bit closer in terms of of size and thickness.
Yes! We are planning on testing that!
@@MaxTechOfficial awesome! Can’t wait. I got the m2 air and absolutely love it. But my wife loves her Blade 15 and she’s been eyeing up the new Blade 16 now lol.
@@MaxTechOfficial cant wait!
@@MaxTechOfficial Do you know what is the thermal paste material for blade 16/18 this year? Liquid metal or silicon paste?