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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
- The Corsair i500 has its work cut out for it trying to cool a 4090 and a 14900k... let's see if I can get this thing under control!
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14900k under a 120mm AIO? Corsair is turning into Alienware lol.
Ha! Very accurate
You either die Starforged or live long enough to see yourself acquired by Dell
@@Takintomori Starforge died? The OTK brand? Or do you mean Artesian?
A single 120. Are you kidding? I’m sure they are using refrigerant instead of water?? 😂
I'm running a 14900K with 720mm of the thickest EK rads I could fit in the case and it's still a barely controllable mini plasma reactor.
I'll never understand how an SI thinks it's okay to ship a customer a product that is throttling...
You saw the pop. Call customer service!! It brings in the bacon after the sale..
Pre-M1 Apple: 😶
iNTEL throttling in all aio coolers no matter how big case air flow is... and crashing bugs and after get damaged. And u can not repair..
They all use the excuse “it’s meant to do that. Or it’s safe the coy will save itself”
Amd gpus that like to cook on idle at 80c without fans..
I had a 240mm AIO on my 14700K and it couldn't keep up, my 360mm Corsair H150i barely keeps up with it. For Corsair to put a 120mm AIO with a slim fan is mind-boggling and a slap in the consumer's face to then place a $5000 price tag on it...
Well, I think half of the blame is on Intel.
@@fajaradi1223Why? They knew that the cpu is running hot before they put it into this configuration.
A lot of this depends on the case, layout, fans and setup being used. I run a slightly overclocked 13700k on a 240mm AIO in a mini-ATX case running all cores maxing at around 85 degrees running Cinebench.
If you are just gaming disable HT. It is of no use and makes heat
i have 2 360 rads (slim) on my 14600k and it runs under 50 degrees cel all day and its quiet. hottest its ever gotten is mid 60's on a stress test
- corsair : '' let's go for the specs list''
- cooling department '' Nope ''
Jays overheating his system again😀😀🤣🤣
chat gpt
I’m only a minute in but the best part about this video so far is that it’s about a Corsair pre-built and the sponsor is NZXT pre-builts lmao😂
Exactly - although I suspect Corsair paid a fee to be on as well.
It’s beyond stupid that Corsair went with a 14900K instead of a 7800X3D. Just beyond dumb
they get paid a lot of money to be a blue house!
"Nobody ever got fired for buying Intel"
Don't forget about your 3D printer!
Print spacers to lift that top shroud enough to fit bigger fans under it while still keeping it looking decent from the exterior.
I hope those ridges on the top are meant to act as cooling surfaces. Because if not, they wasted space that could be used for cooling.
I second this.
@@HappyBeezerStudios so that things that get placed on top do not completely block airflow, and for style points because reasons
tbh i would try to print a whole new top shroud. ;) gives you some customization options
Great idea
Wonder why not 7800x3d, its half the price, power usage, runs much cooler and is within like 5% performance of intel.. its silly
I agree. The 14900k is not worth it for the average person. A cpu pulling the same wattage as a gpu is insane
Aimed for not the average person? Maybe as a semi portable workstation for productivity?
@@l_aggy 7950X3D has the extra productivity cores, but also has half of them downclocked and thus thermally limited to support the V-cache, a 120mm radiator would still be a bad idea but not as insane trying to cool a modern Intel performance chip with a 120mm.
@@TylerP223 ??? This is about the 'why not 7800x3d' stop making useless rants on CZcams
@@Bdot888"Not worth it for the average person" Haha. Well, the average person is not buying a 4090 and a 14900K, you may not realize but this is specific audience you're selling that to, and they care about 5%.
Hot AF cpu in a blanket. GENIUS😂
Its insane. Why they thought stuffing a 120 AIO, something that demands clearance by its very nature, into a fucking shoebox lol These guys want to sell consoles but just can't admit it to themselves.
When aesthetics take precedence over practicality and functionality , it often means that the appearance is considered more important than efficiency and productivity which seems to be the "case" here.. no pun intended
that is basically my main issue with those full glass cases. All aesthetics, no airflow.
@@HappyBeezerStudios What full glass cases are you talking about? The 011 fishtank designs? They have side and bottom intake. NZXTs h510 elite? Yeah thats pretty much a GPU cemetary.
Videos of people getting stuck in dryers huh Jay? I see you... 😂😂😂
Help me stepbro! I'm stuck!
What are you doing Step-Jay!?
You beat me to writing this comment 👍
Man the astetics of the front of that case gives off an old atari console vibe and from a distance the corsair logo almost resembles the atari logo
It would be a fantastic case....if it were an AMD build
Jay's face on the thumbnail has drunk dissapointed father energy
A 120mm AIO for a 14900k is crazy lmao...
I don't know much about this PC model. But I am guessing this is a design that has undergone upgrades over time and the CPU has just outgrown the cooling solution for that case? Either that, or they designed it for an older, or lower spec CPU and then decided to put a top of the rage CPU in it. It probably comes down to if they wanted to redesign the whole setup just for the CPU.
I definitely think the main thing I gained from this video is not putting a 14900k Inside of a case that’s smaller than a jug of milk. lol
The case is not the real, the issue is the AiO is to small si cannot handle the 14900K TDP
@@GHOSTERING well of course, that too. It’s just a bit of a sleight to pop such a high power part into something so restrictive.
You can tame these parts in even smaller cases. Highly dependent on cooler selection and case layout. @@Lief3002
@@GHOSTERING The Case IS too small, and ppl need to understand that with performance you need cooling. I despise idiots who make i-ATX builds and then complain that stuff isn't working properly. 14900k with a monster GPU and and a single 120 AIO.....seriously?!! Ppl just don't know how $$$$ smells, or never made an honest buck to be doing that, but I guess these are the same ppl we're in the hardware prices we're in!
P.S. that's like an office piece, but why go overboard in components!?!
Not without PROPERLY set up liquid cooling. (Hell I wouldn't cool any intel chip from 10th series and up on a single 120 rad). I hope the moron who thought of that was fired, the person who approved it was fired, and the person who failed to stop it from getting into production was fired too!
Didn't everyone already know a 120mm AIO wouldn't be enough to cool a 14900K? What's next? Asking your pet hamster to blow on the 4090?
Looking forward to the air cooled & custom loop version of this chassis. Yay content!
7:01 what kind of videos are you watching where people get stuck in a dryer? 😂😂😂
Something with a (step)mom and a helpful (step)son.
Sounds like some vids I've been in 😅
I also want to say, thank you for testing XTU and realizing the flaws. I am glad to see you are setting processor speeds through the BIOS.
On the top, run a rubber gap sealer for doors to raise the roof an keep it sealed and aesthetically pleasing. Thicker fans , done. Give it a try.
5:25 I used the same logic when I put a 120mm AIO on the rear case slot for my RX 480. I had an Antec LanBoy Air case, though, which was already designed with intake from the rear. I did so with the same supposition of stronger flow for intake over exhaust with the fan positioning.
It speaks volumes to the incompetence of Corsair when they put in inferior parts that are incapable of the load they're intended for...
Probably done in a malicious intent. They want computers to die to sell again.
Typical for them given most of the things they sell. Only exceptions might be some of their RAMs and PSUs.
They just ship it with BIOS set to default TDP. If customer increase / unlock it, then it is their fault it overheat.
@@losslessthoughtsits an unlocked cpu, its capable of overclocking. They shpuld assume people sprnding money on an unlocked component will utilize it.
@@az_tinkerer_gamer I'm not saying I agree with it, I just know that is probably their thinking.
They should have put a 7800X3D in there. It would have been FAR more effective.
That would be an awesome idea... If not for the fact that it throttles at 89 degrees, and not 100 degrees like the 14900.
In this case, with that AIO, it would only have made the problem worse, if not outright killed the chip.
In a real case, with enough space and airflow, yeah the 7800 wins hands down. But here? Absolutely not.
@@The_Keeper 7800 Throttles lower but uses less watts so less heat. 120MM AIO is ambitious though I have a 360 in a big case for mine for a reason!
@@The_Keeper I have a 7800X3D with an AK620 air cooler and it doesn't go over 82C with Cinebench. It should be more viable to keep it cool than a 14900.
@@francistaylor1822 Yes, a 5 Watts lower TDP.
Makes little to no difference in this case.
@@Immudzen Sure, but you probably also have it in a proper case with room for real fans.
The problem wasn't the CPU, it was the absolute shit design of the case... And an AIO completely unsuited for the task.
You the man, Jay
14900k+120mm Aio... what could go wrong?
It was real good seeing you today in Hawaii. Hope you have a good vacation and keep up the awesome content
Always love your videos Jay and team, have you thought about doing a guided video about corsair ICUE and how to set custom fan curves, I haven't really found anything decent to explain all the different settings and info is sporadic at best...thanks in advance
did not expect the clip from one of the Boosted Bois to get used when equating tests to a dyno runs. perfect clip to use honestly.
Jay, it's not just the subjects you pick for your videos, it's your clear explanation of the results as it's happening. Even though this experiment wasn't a success, and the 14900k is a bugger to cool, your commentary is easily understood by new PC builders and veterans alike.
Great job, Jay and team.
They should have made the case ever so slightly longer to fit a 240 rad on that swingout panel. With how much they are charging it's frankly insulting that they didn't.
It's insulting that they put a 14900k instead of a 14600k or 13700k having only room for a 120mm. Obvious Corsair knows nothing, or just don't care, about tech...or don't care about their customers whatsoever.
@@GrySgtBubba All of the above.
Definitely all of the above.
If they made it slightly longer, they could've put a 360 rad at the front. There is that huge surface that does nothing functional.
@@HappyBeezerStudios But then it wouldn't have that sweet wood finish!🤣
They should have done what large OEMs are known for and made some weird custom L shaped 360 rad for the side panel. Perhaps then their $1000+ markup would make some sense.
@@Sgt_SealCluber Listen... given how easy it is to just pop in in sketchup (or any program of your choice) design yourself a wooden exterior and have those panels cut from a local CNC... this case makes zero sense.
Try Fan Control, maybe it can detect the fans and stuff.
I'm so glad I ditched Intel for the 7800x3d. Yeah, benchmarks are lower but who really cares about synthetic results. It is much easier to cool and gets better real gaming performance overall. If this PC is geared towards productivity/not just gaming, they could throw in a non-x3d, non dual ccd AMD chip to avoid scheduling issues (like the 7950x). Or, they could delay the launch and wait for the Zen 5 CPUs that are around the corner. Should be debuted next week at Computex.
Same! I got a 7800x3d last November in my new build. I love it. I have a 360 aio on it and have zero issues
i think you need to mount a whipple supercharger on the side and change the boost to 18psi, that should improve temperatures and performance ;-)
I remember when Jay told us viewers that a rule of thumb was to account for 120mm or radiator space per component when not overclocking. And now the 120mm radiator space isn't sufficient any more. Love this tech making the world a greener place.
its 120 mm per 100 watts not per component
You should have 3d printed a spacer for the top panel!
I use 2x Silverstone Air Slimmer 15.6mm 120mm fans on the back of the HDD cages in a Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO XL (I have hot WD Gold drives). They do up to 1800 RPM, but can also double as silent fans when slowed down.
The Dyno Diesel explosion Corsair box was my laugh of the day. Thanks, guys!
Sorry this is off topic. i have a dell inspiron 24 5459 series
when i turn it on it just beeps a spot of light twice every few seconds and doesn't go any further.
Try putting both AIOs in series. That way either component has access to whatever cooling capacity the other isn't utilizing at that moment.
A 'Frankenstein 360' rad for the entire system should still be better than a 120 for a 14900k.
The edit of the pc being exploded on the dyno run haha nice Phil
Jay,
This video touches on fan speeds and sensors and it got me thinking about what I did for my custom loop.
I currently have GPU temp as a trigger for my pump speed, not fan speed. My thought is that it will push cool water over the cold plate and cool it faster.
Radiator fans react to coolant temp so fans ramp up and down in a more controlled / less noticeable way.
Does this make sense? Any reason to NOT do it this way?
Could be a fun video idea, IDK .. I'd be curious to know what other people do as there seems to be many schools of thought but I just figured this made the most sense.
Are double thick radiators like the Corsair H80i still a thing? Get more radiator mass in a 120mm form factor.
I had the Intel 2500K Sandy Bridge on a Z77 Sabertooth mobo and my cooler of choice was a downfire Noctua and it cooled everything like a champ
For the fans you could do a combo of 240/280mm AIOs + a Corsair link. That's what I ended up using my PC so I could replace the stock case fans with Noctua ones and do some fan speed/temp control.
Jay, I think the SpaceX phrase was "Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly".
I would like to see this next step to improving this case
Hmm, could you fit a second 120mm rad beside the first one? The hinge might not let it swing but you might be able to screw it down in place. You could then have to mod the AIO to loop through 2 rads. Or just go with 2 copper 120's and use the AIO pump and block, no mixed metals, easier to refill. Did something similar years ago and just put a T in for filling and a very small reserve of water.
i'm all about this video series. jay "fixing" shit. aww yiss
I re m remember back in the day of heat pipe cpu coolers .. I used those Sunon brand fans.. they had insane air flow.. and keep the fingers away from those fan blades .. I'm old school gamer . Putting together piece by piece nother computer using 13700 k cpu and MSI 4080 graphic card .and 64 gb Kingston ram. ..just got to get power supply and case .then install windows .. thanks for your educational videos
If SFF PC's existed in 1974....
Maybe not the prettiest but I kept wondering... If you grabbed another 120mm rad, and then just stick it in the open spot and have a little bit of tubing as a jumper between the rads. And just keep the integrated AIO pump/block pushing into the original rad and then pulling out of the additional one.
Fuel injection screw clamps (not the spring style) make for a pretty reliable connection too for fiddling with AIOs that have been opened up lol
I also suggested this in the first video, but here I noticed that the second rad might not fit because of the GPU power cable, because if you look closely, it seems to come up under the second fan and I don't think there's room if a second rad is installed, so unless he can route the cables in another way, then it seems impossible.
What is the name of that gpu benchmark program Jay is using? I recently got a new rig with a 4090 aio and 7800x3D and would like to see what it can do
What's your PL1 and PL2? MSI's "water cooler" setting put my friend's at 4k+ watts and when we changed the PL1/2 to reasonable settings (256w I think?), our temps plummeted.
there's some nice thin fans from noctua or scythe, you could do a push/pull configuration on the 120mm aio.
might not improve TOO much but with a nice fan curve you might get some
Just wanted to ask... Could you do a build with the new Lian Li box? The SUP01with user built liquid cooling? Kinda interested how that would look by one of the best, you sir.
I have a pc fron NZXT BLD. DO NOT RECOMMEND! They sent me 4 DOA pc’s and removed all my custom parts (trying to find the issue) which was clearly the power supply. And the 5th pc they sent me had none of the parts or manufacturers that i chose when i ordered the pc. Ultimately making it a waste of time and money. (Pc was bought during the 3000 series gpu heist)
Sad
No proof then it didn't happen
@@ratedRblazin420 because companies never fail...
Some excellent replacement fans for this case would be some *_Sythe Kaze Flex II 120 Slim._* They revised the previous Flex model at the end of last year, and upped the speed to 1800rpm - which is extremely fast for a slim fan. Its currently one of the best 15mm fans that money can buy, and there is a *HIGH speed* model. They are fairly quiet, but unlike the competing Noctuas they are tuned more for air flow that silence. I have a bunch of them for different ITX builds, and swear by them - the price isn't that bad either. So far the are the best 15mm fans I've tested, and I have some of the Noctuas A12x15... the Kaze Flex II utilizes sickle-style blade similar to the Noctua NF A12x25, and as a result the Flex II clobbers the older style Noctua A12x25 slim fans.
You have a sweet looking space heater Jay.
Is there enough tube length to attempt switching the AIOs around? Could be an interesting comparison if they could be switched.
I wonder if either of the 240mm radiators from the Corsair One would fit into the i500?
The tubes on those connect at the sides of the radiator, not the end so it might make it short enough to fit.
Could you recommend a case that has good cooling, the motherboard mounted horizontally, and that can hold a a large air cooler?
@JayzTwoCents Couldn't you 3d print a bracket for the top fans to raise it up so you could put in larger fans?
Jay, why don't you try a push-pull config on the 120mm aio with the 15 mm fans, and put 2 25mm as side intakes?
I'd swap those top fans on the 240mm AIO for the GPU with a couple of Arctic's P12 Slims. They are high static compression fans made for use with AIOs in compact cases. As a bonus, you can daisy-chain their cords. They're the best slim fans that I've used in the past and don't break the bank, either.
Love how you put in the UCC run from PDD! Their 3k attempt didn't end well.
regarding the fans at the top, could you not 3d print some that would allow you to raise the top of the case a CM. something like a small block with a couple screw holes that you could insert where the roof tabs would go, then the roof tabs insert into the block?
Is the AIO radiator for the CPU upside down? I was always told to have the rad intakes above the pump for air bubbles?
So i have a 14900k and love " Chivalry 2 " it was thermal throttling my cpu for 5 min at a time . Then i installed two coral edge tpu's in the m.2 slots , dpwnloaded some software . And with only my word and observations to prove it , run that game steady under 70c with no other changes
8:00 I bet you could do a 3d printed extension for this top cover for it to fit the 25mm fan
Curious if a be quiet dark rock tf 2 would be a worthwhile upgrade to reduce cooling concerns
I wonder if attaching some suitable size heatsinks to the GPU AIO copper plate would help with the VRAM? Should add some passive cooling given the extra airflow from the bigger fans.
I put my 14900K into a NV7 case with 12 fans and a 360 AIO. Keeps it nice and cool.
I know it would take a whole lot more work, but what it you made the GPU into a 120 aio and put the 240 for the cpu?
JayzTwoCents is my spirit animal.
Hey is it easy to get a different "cooler" for your GPU? I'm not watercooling but I have a 2 fan configuration 3090 and the fans are super loud. I don't see many "cooler" swaps
Is there room for a 60mm on the back panel? Maybe 2 or 2 50mm? Check fan curve in Bios
looking to buy a new case as my corsair 5000x has had day sadly so what do all recommend thanks.
Silverston Airslimmer 120's i have a corsair h150 with 3 of these added on the top of my Corsair 5000T under the top shroud on the outside of the case to make it a push pull, i wonder how well they would work in this thing,
63.67 CFM 2.4mmH2O 31.7 dBA
Yeah I’ve seen those videos where someone get stuck in a dryer. They always need help getting out.
I wanna see options for air coolers and see if 2 custom 120 rads can fit in there. I'm still interested in the case itself.
Try putting a 240 at the top with no fans and those 300 rpm mag lex fans you did a vid on a while ago. And tape over the perforations in the back of the case to help force all that air through the fanless rads up top
I have a 14700K with the noctua NH-C14S running two fans. A cold R23 run hits thermal throttling in 4.5 minutes with the side panel off, so rethink this idea. 13:56
Hear me out: Daisy chained 120 mm radiators. If they don't overhang the slot side to side it should work.
Do they make just a thicker 120mm rad? Not hat you have the room but more cores on the same footprint
Jay its so awesome how you have made my hobby/"favorite thing to do" a job, good on ya lol a little jealous
I saw on another channel somebody put a second normal size fan on that 120mm aio. It will work.
Thank god I still got sturdy and spacious big tower cases back from the early 2000s. They handle whatever hardware I throw inside and offer more than enough airflow. I'm not even using all possible air inlets/outlets right now. I don't understand why anyone would want to deal with such over-compact cases, let alone ready-built complete PCs.
jay what would you recommend graphics card wise for max 1080 p settings gaming or at 1440p? i am looking at amd graphics cards online on ebay preowned and all since ive used them a lot which tier of navi would you suggest would give the best bang for the buck in performance but still be able to fit a microatx case? current rig is a ryzen 5950x 32 gigs ddr 4 3600 all ssd storage and an rx 5500xt 8 gig version. im planning to replace the cpu and motherboard and also the power supply as i need a clean build for these and i had a possible issue with weather a while back that may have caused some issues but i wanted to get your opinion on the graphics card upgrade path. i was thinking of an xfx brand but i wanted to get your opinion on which brand does the best bang for the buck when it comes to amd graphics.
I would do a full rebuild and repaste on that PC. Maybe even de-liding if the temps still aren't under control. If that doesn't work I would cut the top of that case off entirely and bolt on a thicker radiator. It won't look pretty but would perform better.
Could you do a video about deshrouding newer gpu's and putting third party fans on there to see if that still is a viable option to decrease temps and noise?
There was a decrease in temperatures when I upgraded my college friend's CPU from a 2600 to a 3500X but it may have had more to do with the KPX compound I replaced his dried compound with than the fact that we reversed a couple of his fans from their previous positions. At first we thought we bricked his system with the upgrade then he realized he might have accidentally hit the BIOS switch on his motherboard and it was trying to use a non working BIOS.
You could whack a few Zalman fan mates in that thing and crank the fan RPM's and see what happens before comitting to re-wiring the fans to the motherboard headers.
"those videos where someone got them self stuck in a dryer"... Jayz been on the Hub.
looking forward to see what the Noctua down fire air cooler can do.
3D Mark is using (customized, I think) GPU-Z and CPU-Z packages to get the hardware data from the system during start of wach benchmark. I saw it with System Informer showing me the corresponding services being enabled and then disabled/removed after the benchmark.
Would it help control CPU heat by somehow strategic adding more aluminum or copper to cpu cooler where cooler base touches cpu . Adding more thickness of aluminum to the base of the cooler where heat pipes emerge from cpu cooler.. just a idea to help cpu processor not get too hot
Don't you have 3D printer? Can you print an offset for the top fans to increase the fan space? Print it in modular sections as your printer will not be 3big enough1
You have a 3D printer. Build a shroud from the down fire air cooler to the side wall, where the CPU fan can pull the most fresh air with the least recircling case air. It HAS to be flush on both sides, so plan in some foam as well.
Shrouds have proven to be effective, especially custom built ones.
I'm having same issue son hp victus 13700h I tried changing paste and used mx4 but no help it getting very hot thermal throttle while gaming have 4060 mobile along with it any ideas.
I have also noted there is a white putty on vrams rather than thermal pads so not sure what type is that and should I change it to thermal paste or pads?
That AIO would be better used on a i3 or i5 14gen, that said other reviewers have said air flow was not a design consideration for that case so not a suprise i9 is getting hot & bothered. How hot is the air exhausting from case?
Is Port Royal looking for the special cores that have a boost added to them.