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MSI GT77 - How to Undervolt i9-13980HX and Overclock RTX 4090! LIVE!
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- How do you undervolt the MSI GT77? How do you overclock the RTX 4090? We'll be doing both in today's livestream! Pushing the MSI GT77 to see what kind of performance it can do! It features a i9-13980HX, RTX 4090, 64 GB of DDR5-4000, 4 TB SSD, and a 4K 144 hz 1000 nits HDR display. You can find links to buy all RTX 4000 series laptops on my 2023 Gaming Laptop Ranking List: listium.com/@G...
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00:00 - MSI GT77 Overclocking the RTX 4090; Undervolting i9-13980HX Live!
06:29 - Cinebench R23 Stock Baseline Benchmark (avg of 5 runs) i9-13980HX MSI GT77
13:25 - How To Enable Undervolting The i9-13980HX MSI GT77
22:05 - 3D Mark Timespy Stock Baseline Benchmark (i9-13980HX + 4090) MSI GT77
29:15 - MSI GT77 BIOS Functionality and Advanced Options Enabling
37:13 - Cinebench R23 -150mV (P+E) Undervolt Benchmark (avg of 5 runs) i9-13980HX MSI GT77
45:10 - Cinebench R23 - 10-minute Benchmark on -150mV Undervolt i9-13980HX MSI GT77
01:03:32 - Cinebench R23 -150mV (P+E+Ring) Undervolt Benchmark MSI GT77
01:12:05 - Blue Screen Issues and Windows Repair Bootloop MSI GT77
01:21:33 - Pinhole CMOS Reset + MSI Factory Settings Reset + Windows Reset - MSI GT77
02:03:52 - Cinebench R23 -150mV (P+E) -75mV Ring Undervolt Benchmark (avg of 5 runs) MSI GT77
02:14:35 - Cinebench R23 -150mV (P+E) -100mV Ring Undervolt Benchmark (avg of 5 runs) MSI GT77
02:22:44 - Cinebench R20 -150mV (P+E) -75mV Ring Undervolt Benchmark (avg of 5 runs) MSI GT77
02:32:18 - MSI Afterburner Setup and Overclocking the RTX 4090 MSI GT77
02:37:45 - 3D Mark Timespy Benchmark (i9 [150/150/75UV] 4090 Stock) MSI GT77
02:41:50 - Afterburner Testing Overclock Peak Limit For RTX 4090 MSI GT77
02:55:15 - 3D Mark Timespy Benchmark (i9 [150/150/75UV] + 4090 [+1400mem]) MSI GT77
03:00:40 - 3D Mark Timespy Benchmark (i9 [150/150/75UV] + 4090 [+150core+1400mem]) MSI GT77
03:18:27 - 3D Mark Timespy Benchmark (i9 [150/150/75UV] + 4090 [+225core+1400mem]) MSI GT77
03:24:55 - MSI GT77 Overclocking and Undervolting Summary
for anyone wondering, on my GT77HX, MSI used regular thermal paste on GPU and CPU, and something like K5 pro on VRAMS instead of thermal pads. After repasting mine with MX 4 temps are bit cooler and i'm getting similar/slightly higher cinebench scores after following this undervolting guide. Heard good things about kryonaut extreme as well, might try it out.
Very useful!! Thanks for sharing! Was repasting hard?
@@WorldsHealthiestPerson nope, i left the old white paste on the vrams and just cleaned and repasted the gpu and the cpu
Gc Xtreme is the best thermal paste imo
@@n.m.e5787 didn't like the kryonaut extremes, so went with kingpin Kpx which i like so far
Thank you very much for a detailed guide. I am an owner of this beast, and I was seeking guide to undervolt it, but i was missing the bios part to unlock it. You made it clear and now i will get lower temps. I don't care about these extra 12%, the main goal is to prolong the life of my system by lowering temps without sacrificing performance. Great channel!
@48:30 Regarding the Core + Cache undervolt- The CLR (Cbo/LLC/RING) Voltage Offsett is what as referred to as the "Cache" offset in things like Throttlestop. Sadly the Bios Undervolt we did was only for the core offset. If the Cache undervolt was done as well, it would further boost performance and lower temps.
Edit- I see @ 58:00 that Gizmo also undervolted the Ring("cache") as well, awesome! I'd be surprised with that much of a cache undervolt it didn't crash though. Back in the day with the 9750H I was able to get a -150 Core offset, but not more than like a -120 Cache undervolt. With the 11800H i was only able to get like a -070 MV cache offset. From my experience and understanding, its usually much harder to get higher Undervolts on Cache, and those are the ones that primarily cause crashes.
Edit- @1:01:45 Yup the crash. That was too much of a cache undervolt lol. Probably -100 will work though, maybe a bit higher.
@1:11:20 "I'm guessing that the Ring is more sensitive " Yes that is correct. Going -125 on the Ring/Cache has a much higher chance of being stable than the optimistic/aggressive -150. Good idea to just do a minimal one on the GT (Igpu). It marginally can help if the integrated graphics are used ever, but don't want to go too overboard with that. Touching Uncore might have been dangerous, that could be what caused issues. I never touch it.
Yep, the ring/cache undervolt really boosted performance too
-175mv core & - 145 mv cache 9750H here ...
@@SALTINBANK Yeh I had similar ubdervolts on my 9750h back in the day.
Liquid metal would really make this thing go even more insane.
Also Kudos to Gizmo with the comprehensive guide to Undervolting these. He is handing over the cheat code to better performance and temps on these beasts! Here is looking forward to some Gpu Undervolting (possibly with overclock as well) in the future, using Msi Custom Voltage Curve. Double Undervolt= Double the Awesome.
Edit- 2:19:30 Undervolting with stock clocks on the gpu will boost performance a bit since it won't Power Limit Throttle as easily/if at all. Ofcourse the main advantage is much better temps and lower power consumption and lower fan noise. To get max performance one would want atleast decent Silicon Lottery to be able to get a respectable Undervolt AND be able to Overclock the Gpu simultaneously. That is how the highest benchmarks (on Laptops) are achieved, as well as the best performance in games.
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I wish you could do the same undervolt comparation with M16 13900HX
I managed to get a stable undervolt on my GT77 Pcore -150 Ecore -150 Ring -115. Solid.
Congratulations 👏🎉 you won-
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What bios do you have on your system? If it's an older one could you upload it?
Should also check cpu temp and fan noise after undervolting which are more important than a few % performance increase.
Do that on your channel..oops 😬 you don't have one so you need to 🎤 s🎙️t🎤f🎙️u🎤
Very helpful. I followed, tuned my GT77Hx and improved the scores. Very close to your range and happy!
What did you settle at for P/E core offset + ring? And what were the stable 4090mobile offsets?
Hey sorry i no longer have this laptop with me anymore so couldn't really answer your question. I *believe* i got 140mv on P, 100mv on E and 70 mv on ring. Could be wrong@@louisugbade-campbell8012
My results on my MSI Vector (Cinebench 2024, max performance Windows power plan):
Stock: 1472, 3.6Ghz, 95C thermal throttled
-200P/-100E: 1622, 3.9Ghz, 95C thermal throttled
I also have a custom curve on my 4080 in Afterburner which dropped wattage from 155w to 95w while keeping 80% of the performance. +280mhz, caps at 1.9GHz, +1000mhz on memory. Overall a much quieter laptop now.
Afterburner ayarlarını nasıl yaptığını daha detaylı anlatır mısın lütfen
One thing to be cognizant of with undervolting and OC'ing is that just because a particular undervolt or OC works in synthetic benchmarks does not correlate to that undervolt or OC working in real-world gaming or real-world applications. This is why I don't put too much stock into synthetic benchmarks. Any under-volting and OC work should be tested real-world.
100% agree! I believe I mention this in the video a couple times. That is true for both cpu and gpu OC. But I think benchmarks can be a fun way to measure potential performance gains, which is what I am trying to do here.
The gpu spiked once to 2640 mhz😮 but it stayed usually in the 2200 -2300 range so it can go up to 2640 MHz that means it could go as high as 51.3 tflops of fp32 gpu performance 😮… on a laptop that’s about half of what the future desktop GeForce rtx 4090 ti and titan rtx Ada can do
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I'm have MSI Vector GP78 HX 13VH (13980HK+4080+64Gb-5600MHz)= BSOD on P-core -110 and E-core -150, SO I set to:
P-core -100mV
E-core -140mV
and it run well! 32k pts multi-core performance in cinebench R23 1 run. And 30401 pts for 10 minutes
Bios in balance mode. (not performance) Windows power also set - balanced power plan
I swear I used to watch this guy destroy phones back in my highschool days
You did… lol
Can you please review Hp omen 17 (rtx 4090). This laptop is the cheapest one (with i7 = $2800)
That BIOS setting "Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost" is one of the few differences in the i9-13980HX vs the i9-13950HX chip. If you read MSI's promo page for these high end gaming laptops, they say that Only the 13980HX can utilize their new "Overboost Ultra" technology. But we know that what they are really talking about is this new Intel boost. It adds even more wattage boost on top of all the other boost types that it has (turbo)... but does it while maintaining thermals?! This allows this laptop to draw 250W from CPU/GPU combined. I've actually been seeing my MSI laptop pushing the limits of it's total TDP, they don't tend to shy away from operating at 100% of it's GPU TDP like the ASUS G17 i tested. That thing claimed to have a 140w 4070 but never peaked over 110w that I saw.
So I have this laptop and did the -150/-150 and it was fine, but as soon as I touched the ring (started at 100 and then tried 75) it game me the BSoD over and over until I set it back to 0
Now comparison with 13900hx and 14900hx the CB Score is amazing high, but the Timespy CPU Score is weird low. With 13900hx I had 18000 CPU (CB 31000) and 23500 GPU, with 14900hx (CB 34000) 20000-21000 CPU Score. Both with XMG Neo 17.
A very underrated channel
I could not undervolt my gp68 with 12900HX at all. Even at very very small increments it did not work and set it into multiple power cycles until inevitable bios default. I couldn't even do 5mv offset. Would love to see you do a video on that, if possible.
honestly, these cpu's are too powerful and run too hot to game with on a laptop. that's why the 1% lows are horrible... disabling the e-cores and hyperthreading is a much more smoother gaming experience. all core turbo 5ghz+ 8 cores 8 threads is more than enough for gaming. if the game can't differentiate the cores from one another it just uses whatever core is available. if it uses the e-core, it will cause low performance. unless one is doing video editing, photo shop, etc. 8 cores 8 threads will get the job done for the average user. for the majority of people outside gaming and content creation, 4 cores and 8 threads is more than enough
Jeezus!...this is more involved than BRAIN SURGERY!....LOL! I think I'll just stick to regular gamiing on my PS5?...and leave my PC for learning Pythoin!...
Really Helped me out optimizing my Laptop. Thanks.
I’m about to order this. The 4700 dollar 64 gb ddr5 with the 4090. It’s just hard to part with the money. I’ve been back and forth but I don’t wanna buy another laptop for a few years. Any good reasons besides price that should keep me from buying it
Mainly, just the slower response screen if you play e-sports
@@GizmoSlipTech I’m also looking at the Asus strix Scar 18. It’s about 1k cheaper. I just found one online for retail so I think I may go that direction. It’s actually a 800 dollar difference but 800 bucks is 800 bucks
Been waiting for this! Thank you!
You got it!!
Did you lift the laptop up for more airflow during all of these tests? For more performance I think you can try repasting both cpu and gpu with liquid metal and using a laptop cooler (my recommendation is the GT500v2 or GT600 is the current best laptop cooler out there, I have the GT600 and it helps reduce my Alienware X17r1 by 15 degrees compared to not lifting the laptop up)
The laptop was lifted for most of the video, but yes, a laptop cooler would likely improve performance a tad, and yes, I suggested liquid metal in the video a couple times I believe, so I agree. More performance could definitely be had with more optimization
@@GizmoSlipTech msi really left some performance on the table for those enthusiasts
@@GizmoSlipTech Just imagine one day msi and all other brand finally decided to bring water cooling on their product like XMG and Oem brands did. Thing will change for sure, after water maybe come liquid nitrogen on laptop?
Very cool ideas!
@@thaibinh6585 it will probably happen in the near future no doubt about it!
He needs to be focusing on lower power consumption inside of HWInfo, and also disabling TVB voltage optimization, he has adaptive voltage on which will slightly over ride his undervolt even though he has an undervolt applied, the cpu is still pulling what it feels it needs. I imagine the 13980HX silicon is great, however that laptop is still thermally limited with and without his undervolt. However, less power and less heat is always always always better! I would love to tune in a machine like this. I’m tempted to buy one. But the price is a bit crazy lol. I’m a desktop enthusiast my self.
I am pretty sure adaptive voltage calculates an offset based on the VF curve, and applies that to the CPU. The undervolt he did in the bios will also be applied. So, he isn't really overriding his undervolt, as the core voltage is always changing. But I could be wrong.
@@youxtubexisxgay see? He didn't respond because he doesn't care 💅
@@n.m.e5787 see? He didn’t care either.
bruh can msi gt77 overclock memory use xmp?
Hey when are you going to launch the International prices in Listium? Iam waiting for those prices to compare
I currently am not planning doing international pricing, but I am integrating more and more affiliate programs and covering international sales sites, including several i have applied to that are outside the USA, but adding multiple currency support wouldnt work well with the listium website formatting at this time. Maybe in the future.
Is that the laptop fan noise we hear while you are talking? If so, that's loud!
I also have a floor fan blowing and another 2nd laptop running, but yes, the main fan noise you hear is the laptop fans.
This laptop is for men, sounds should not be a concern
Very nice stream.
My colleague has 12th gen i9 in his laptop. He bought it for work without knowing what he's getting into in terms of power draw. He says "it is so loud, I look like a clown in the office", lol. Plus he gets 1/3 of a time from battery compared to mine Ryzen 6800h based computer.
I wish 7800x3d-m existed for gaming laptops. Not gonna happen anytime soon, I'm afraid.
In an office in normal desktop use cases, the machine is not very loud. Obviously when gaming that's a different story. I'm very happy with mine so far. Trying to figure out how to get HDR working properly is the one thing I'm currently fiddling with.
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Hello, thanks for the great tutorial. I went through all the steps on my MSI Stealth Studio 16 with i7 13700H but couldn't change anything. Even if I change the voltage settings in the bios, they weren't applied. (I couldn't see the changes on HW Info). Is there a way around or H series are just locked by default ?
im getting the gt77 tomorrow mostly i play in 4k , i really dont want to do anything with cpu but gpu i want to try to overclock...it is worth it? like 1000 on memory and 200 on core clock? thx
i like the GT series but they've watered it down so much... for the retail price they should still be adding a blu-ray dvd drive combo and a proper sound card so i can plug my surround sound into it
Why did this laptop not come with lpddr5x? Also, really hope a ryzen edition pheonix is developed with lpddr5x.
Anyone having issues with the SSDs below the GPU heating up? I put in 2 x 2TB Samsung 980 pros in the extra nvme m.2 slots and during gaming they temp goes as high as 75C degrees on hwinfo and crystaldisk info. Tried putting copper heatsinks on them but didn't make much of a difference. Games are not installed on those SSDs. I have the 4080 version and GPU itself is 65-70C.
not impressed with the 23 Strix G17. It's "mux switch" is completely driven by windows power plans. It's BOIS is not much different than the 2020 G15 that I have, so there is no physical switch that the user can toggle. These MSI laptops come with much better options as a desktop replacement. Plus they have a physical mux in both BIOS and MSI Center.
I tried to undervolt this laptop and now I can only start with battery. When charger is connected it keeps turning itself off and on with no picture. I tried resetting bios and it didn't help.
I didn't undervolt by a lot, -100 p/e core and -25 ring was stable, -50 ring is when it bsod and started causing issues. Works fine when I start with battery and then connect the charger.
Any idea?
Great video. I really enjoy your content. Quick question: How did you unlock the power limit slider on MSI afterburner? I have voltages working but not power limits.
I believe that was related to the graphics driver version
@GizmoSlipTech That makes sense, thanks. I got the Scar 18, absolutely blown away by the performance of the unit, and it's undervolting/oc headroom. 😀
Congrats! Enjoy!
@GizmoSlipTech Thanks, Gizmo. I definitely am. Upgraded the ram to Kingston Fury Impact 32gb 5600 and with your excellent guidance on the undervolting. I'm averaging around 34600k Cinebench stable. The Gpu is the 4080, timespy around 19404 with a mild overclock. 😁
temps are amazing
Thanks for this video sir
Are the fans manually controllable on this gt77? Can you get it to where it’s relatively quiet under gaming and not in the default silent mode? On the scar 18 you can get it quiet and barely any performance loss on manual.
Ssshh nobody cares. He knows what he's doing. Scar 18? We're talking about the MSI gt77 what are you on about?
With my Raider GE78, I had to do individual undervolts. I am -150 on the P-cores, and -175 on E-core clusters 1, 2, and 3. E-core cluster #0 had to be -110 or I would see MCE (machine check errors) and occasional segfaults (linux) on CPU 8 or 9. So, you may be able to get better performance doing individual undervolts. I don't know if Windows supports process affinity (I only ran it long enough to do sone Cinebench R23 runs, with a best 10-minute score of 33,500 (TIM changed to ptm7950)) but you can do single-core benchmarks on each (or a multi-core on groups of 4 e-cores for each cluster test) and see where your stability is.
Nobody cares 😐
My CPU starts with all core frequency of 3,3GHz and then after several seconds drops down to 2,1GHz all core and the overall score that I get is around 17k in cinebench. I have Aorus 17X AXF with RTX 4080, 2x16GB HyperX 5600 CL40 DDR5. I have no idea what the hell is going on can someone help me? This is the first time I am using a high end laptop after 10 years I have no idea what is the problem. I have tried all presets from Gigabyte Control Center and it simply doesn't want to go above 2,1GHz all core. Temps are quite acceptable at 60 or even below that.
I just got 33077 with a -150uv on a 13900HX. I feel good. However, I got a bottom of the barrel 4090...I can only OC +200 core and +300 mem before it crashes. :(
What bios do you have?
I have the exact same model. I installed w10pro because I don't really enjoy 11. My bios is on factory settings and I have 30 fps on full video settings on for example Doom Eternal. When I disable rtx it goes up to 144 but when I press any movement key it drops half almost but when I stop and just move the mouse around it's 144. I am not able to find a way to fix this. I am about to lose my... The device is behaving like it's not some premium device rather a potato build... Help a dude out please...
I've just got my MSI GT77 13Hx Titan. Could anyone list the fastest stable settings from this live stream?
Try 150 on both P's and on the ring 110 to be safe
Does this CPU have integrated graphics if so is it on par with the 680m?
Boa! é isso aí.
I do I get an older bios for this laptop? Where can I download it?
The e-core undervolt barely does anything, it's like 5 watts...
Would these BIOS settings work in a MSI rtx4080?
Doesnt work for me i am msi katana b13vgk core i9
With the latest 1.08 BIOS I am getting around 28000-29000 stock setting in Cinebench R23 single run. I haven't undervolted yet. What BIOS revision were these tests made with?
I heard the latest bios reduces power limit. I am guessing it’ll reversed, but i’ll ask MSI.
@@GizmoSlipTech I can get around 31500 with -150 P and E Cores and -.75 Ring. Didn't want to push ring too much like you did and blow up windows. Lol. The latest Nvidia drivers caused some locking up of the system when I wasn't over clocking. Really strange, audio would keep playing from youtube but the system would slowly stop responding and then die. I rolled back to the 4090 drivers from msi center live update and it seems stable again.
@@GizmoSlipTech what did they tell you about new bios?
@@GizmoSlipTech bro could you upload the older bios??
Should this work on the Blade 18 as well?
Some of it does apply, unlock intel XTU and it is a different interface. But pricinples of it applies. I was undervolting and overclocking the blade 18 earlier tonight to test it. Was pushing 31,500 in Cinebench R23 single run and over 30k in 10 min test.
I’ll be showing this tomorrow, during unboxing
I would not waste my money on the 16 or 18 in blade. PC Gamer tested a Legion 7i with a 4080 and in several tests it beat the 4090 in the blade. I don't think Razer will ever have their thermals under control enough to be competitive with other manufacturers with thicker laptops.
plz help me, my msi gt77 13vh cpu power limited on 120 watt and never mortan 145 watt in oc mode !!! my cinebench23 score is 27000 , i updated my bios and drivers to latest version, plz help me
Have to switch to Integrated on the MSI control centre, then reboot. This unlock full CPU wattage. Unfortunately with the new BIOS versions (after 105) the Dedicated Mode is limited to 120W PL1 / 220W PL2
Doing the Lord's work you are.
can you oc the cpu
is there any coil whine noise?
is that gonna work with scar18?
Intel XTU works on Scar18 now, with the new bios
i have a hp elitebook 8470p it sucks
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Here you dropped this 👑
3:30 hours for this? 🤡
But sadly even if one of the highest clocked if not the highest clocked rtx 4090 mobile on a laptop like the GT77 titan , can’t give you NATIVE 4k at at least 60 fps on the most graphically intensive games like CP2077 with all maxed settings including max path tracing without upscaling/upsampling from a lower resolution to 4k which is not the same as native resolution, but if a desktop rtx 4090 and future desktop rtx 4090 ti that can go over 100 tflops and titan rtx Ada can’t get there what makes you one think a mobile laptop gpu with half the flops as those can do?😂