Tracks vs. Tires on a Polaris Ranger
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DirtTrax Television Co-Host Luke Lester equips a mid-sized Polaris Ranger with a set of Camoplast 4S tracks and runs some durability testing against another mid-sized Ranger outfitted with its stock rubber. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Well, we know who sponsored this segment
So, this is a commercial for tracks.....
I'd like to see a comparison of turning radius, in heavily wooded areas is makes a big difference.
Great video. Those tracks would own the terrain in deep snow
Looks nice, but I would like to see how they perform when heavy mud and rock enter the inside of the track.
I duck and goose hunt all the time and I've seen Rangers with tracks just bog straight down in rice feilds and Rangers with aftermarket mud tires go right through it I think it's the weight of the tracks and lack of floatation.
The low position of the front idlers seems to add impact stress to the suspension.
you should have put the tracks on the 570 so it shows how much the tracks really do help as follow with the 570 and if it makes it through everything even with less power it'll show how great tracks are.
I have been looking into this track system if my current travel speed is 30mph with tires what effect what speed would the track s reduce my machine to?
Wait...... you should be testing 2 800s not 1 800 vs a 570......
Yeah but thats a downside to tracks.
Sam Martin I agree with you they changed too many variables for this test it's inconclusive in a way. It also seems biased since they didn't say anything bad about them
Nardor also did you notice the tracked 800 did not go thru the hole the 570 got stuck in and check out the tread on the back tires of the 570. They are half wore out where the tracks were brand new. This was a loaded test if you ask me.
+Sam Martin - When he explained why they used an 800 and a 570, I thought, "That makes sense. Someone will buy according to power vs work load." And then I thought, "If they didn't adjust, there's be the guys in comment huffing & puffing about "You can't put tracks on a 570 and compare it. It changes the power vs the work load!" But look now... we still have the comment experts huffing and puffing anyway.
Nardor every "test" dt does is so obviously biased it's downright shameful. They're the type of organization that will pit a maverick x3 with every available option against a rzr 570 just to tout how affordable the rzr is.
Not a new ranger 6x6....why don't you test one of those monsters???
Great vid
have a ranger w camoplast and gos any where had it in 4 foot snow once did not get stuck
Good off road but tracks would wear away on roads and paving but nice u can fit them to both ATV and side by sides
I love your vids on polaris ranger vids
How you get the yoke off?
He said any machine from 400 and up i couldn't find tracks for my polaris scrambler 400 4x4 ¿
How much do they cost?? Will they fit a Kabota 1120D? It is Diesel power at 25 hp or more and lower rpm but you still turn that tire/track.
I used my canam xt1000 commander with apache tracks to pull out my stuck f350 diesel truck. I was Very impressed that the side by side could pull out the four door long bed truck with my wife driving the truck.
The only way to roll you say? Have you tried Polaris airless tyre before that statment? I'm curious.
Great video thanks
My boss had a setup almost identical to this, it was 25k all said and done, UTV and track kit, and it was AMAZING!!! For about 15 minutes, right up until we got some rocks and dank mud in between the tracks and drive wheels, and shredded the track to bits. Then we had to walk 5 miles out, fuckin suckfest good luck carrying a spare track, and at 1000 per track its all ouchies all day. He sold it a few weeks later for a lil more than half what he spent!!!!
With all that money he should've protected his investment and not run tracks in muddy rocks. Tracks are for snow. Run a snowmobile in mud...see how that goes.
Exactly...the ridiculous cost of these toys then the additional cost of those tracks is a huge waste. I had a Yamaha Rhino 700 that I had in far nastier places than they ran that Ranger with tracks and I didn't have tracks on the Rhino and it didn't have any issues at all. Its all in knowing how to drive and paying attention to where you are going and not heading for the middle of a damn swamp that anyone with common sense would simply drive around rather than try to drive through...doesn't matter what you are driving once you lose traction and start floating your tracks or tires aren't going to do any good. I got rid of my Rhino and just bought a compact 4WD pickup for $1,000....Came with a cab, heat, ac, power steering, 5k towing capacity, radio, and best of all a manual transmission. For what one of those toys cost you can get a damn nice used pickup or SUV. Granted I had to do a little work on my $1,000 truck, but nothing you wouldn't need to do on a used vehicle, just regular maintenance items and added a winch and new all terrain tires, goes everywhere my Rhino went but a hell of a lot cheaper and I think I get slightly better fuel economy than what my Rhino got...people think those ATV's and UTV's get pretty good fuel economy, they don't, in most cases they get worse than a full size truck...my Rhino was lucky to hit 10mpg and that was completely stock with the factory wheels and tires and no load in the bed, pretty pathetic even my 88 F250 pulling a trailer can get 10mpg.
I was disappointed in the step up of engine size. I want to know how MY machine performs different with tires or tracks...not my 570 vs an 800.
I have a hustler mdv with Kohler diesel engine I want to put track s and pull a medium sized ice house approximately 850lbs. Would this handle the load. Not sure if any ratings load weight restrictions apply for your product please respond advise thanks in advance
Are they harder on axles, differential and transmission?
Where can I get them at
Maybe they should also do a drag race on flat ground. Everything I've been around with tracks is super slow after you put tracks on it.
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Comparing $5000+ worth of tracks to $100 stock tires??? Why not put some good tires on the other one and try it again? Also lets see some mud results with some Outlaws on one. At mud nationals a few years ago a tracked quad got stuck entering the mud pit..lol
and about speed too,wonder how fast you can go with that...not sure about that
I was on a sxs forum. the people were discussing about the tracks popping off and leaving them stranded on the trail, not good.
It does help if you tighten them just sayin' not tryin' to start any shit here
thanks for clarifying that. I was thinking about getting some but not sure. If that all it takes then no prob.
Yea but to place these on your side by side you also need to upgrade your steering rod's .. hell even in this vid it shows flexing in the steering rod's .. there alot more to it just installing set of tracks ...
How about the triple unsprung weight wear and tear on suspension and steering components. Gotta rebuild these things every 3k miles on these as it is, much less when you triple the weight and torsion on em.
Nice they should compare a outlander XMR 1000 with apache tracks vs polaris with camoplast tracks
Mike Nagelhout aell, seeing how they demographic they're aiming at won't be the xmr owners...they'd be better off sticking an 800 commander on apache tracks and doing the test. Problem with that is camoplast is paying for this episode (see commercial/ad/advertisement) so if a brp product with brp accessories on it outperforms the camoplast equipped pilaris...
Tracks can't go over bigger logs you lose half your vehicles top speed burn twice as much fuel and they cost a fortune.
Very valid points here, but dont forget your commas next time!!
Ryan ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, xd
davidbrennan5 but in the snow there is no comparison! I got a set for my UTV and it turns it into a snowcat! With the tires on I kept getting stuck at my cabin with several feet of snow. With the tracks the UTV floats on top of everything.
Tracks are the most efficient means of prematurely destroying your atv or sxs. They put excessive stress on suspension, steering and driveline components.
I hope not...I feel that if they are setup right, maintained and only used in snow - AND if you drive to preserve your machine...all you're doing is burning more gas and possibly a bit more stress on the belt.
Well don't tell that to the people who have way too much money and absolutely no brains, let them find out the hard way how much those tracks really cost when their transmission, axles, and differentials fail.
would like to upgrade my tires o a 570 ranger, any suggestions
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What if I want to ride from a street to a trail? How long can tracks last on the road?
Tracks don't hold up to running on paved roads, even gravel roads and rocks eat them up pretty fast, and for the ridiculous price for a set of tracks you can buy many sets of tires. If you are in nasty stuff all the time a set of tire chains is a hell of a lot cheaper and pretty simple and quick to install and remove unlike tracks. At least with tires if you have one that gets punctured it can easily be fixed on the trail, break a track or otherwise damage it beyond just putting it back on and you are stuck there.
does anyone know how the tracks do on rocks
+Evan Hasson They do fine, but I wouldn't recommend running them on rocks too much it will chew the tracks up pretty quick.
Let me do some testing here at fort Hood
To be fair though those are stock tires being compared to 4000$+ tracks. For that much money I could have an atv to complement my utv, 4 or more sets of really aggressive tires, or if I really needed tracks, I could have just bought an argo and saved a bunch of money. Idk, I'm sure that these are super useful to some, but that's just it, it's an extremely niche market.
my neighbors just bout a 2014 with cab and tracks but even though the price was steep it was worth every penny. But I still question why the tracks and he said because he goes ice fishing. That would be a good reason and even when i ride around on their yard with them that thing is literally a mini tank. Going up and down 20 ft ditches that have a 40-45 degree incline, 3 feet deep of snow, and 3 people in the cab and 3 in the bed. IT IS A TANK.
Yeah I think the tracks are just too expensive, I don't think they will sell very many of them, which probably doesn't help lower the cost either. There are very few people like your ice fishing buddy with enough money to buy them or really need them. For most people, tracks zap too much power and make a sporty vehicle like the ranger 800 feel like a big turd. If you want to go faster than probably 25 mph, then you have to go back to regular tires as the tracks have no high speed stability. They're so limited in what they can do and although they do it very well, there's just no versatility. You can buy a set of very aggressive tires with wheels for probably around $1000 and that will be sufficient for 99% of users and will be much easier to change out as well, simple as removing a few lug nuts. Honestly, how many people REALLY need to get through 3 feet of snow. If you do manage to get it stuck, then you probably will need a larger vehicle with tracks to pull you out like a Caterpillar or an actual tank.
I have both tracks and tires. The only places tracks are better than tire are in deep mud and deep snow. The rest of the time, like on trails and crossing areas like big logs, etc. tracks are a nuisance. And yes, I burn MORE than twice as much gas with the tracks on. And, the loss of SPEED and extra strain on the engine by high revving trying to get to top speed.......... well I won't even go there. My machine is a 660 Grizz. but it doesn't matter, even with a 450 or anything, the same problem exists. That center wheel (on the tracks)that bolts on the machine with the cogs on it is too small and it has to turn too often to get any speed. Kinda like putting tiny wheels on the ATVs. They have to turn too many revolutions for the machine to get anywhere. DESIGN FLAW!!
do the tracks get stuck in some mud or do they pretty much go through anything? very interested in that
Ryan: What you are watching here is just an advertisement. I haven't used them in mud, but I would say that unless the machine bottoms out and the tracks can't reach bottom then they will go through anything. I have only used them in winter and just for FUN!! At $1,000 per corner and (I imagine) the parts would be expensive too, I don't want to destroy them when it is not necessary. Besides the most fun without snow is on tires, much more maneuverable, quicker, faster, etc. etc. Have fun!
Ryan: Like all advertisements they don't tell you all the bad, mostly the good. EG. I was crossing a marsh on my machine and I came to a tiny stream that had not frozen over and when I tried to go down and up the other side the nose of the front tracks dug in. Also, if a tree has fallen across your path, with tires you cAN JUST POP THE FRONT WHEELS OVER THE TREE, and drag your bottom across (some times). But with the tracks you can't do that. If the tree is either bit high at all, it won't climb over it. (carry an axe, I carry a chain saw). If I didn't have a snowmobile and had $4,000.+ to spend, I would buy the snowmobile first.
My brother has tracks for his Can Am Outlander 650 and they are a pain in the ass. They are 4 season but way too rough to ride in anything but snow. He's broken or lost more idler wheels then he cares to mention and they are expensive. He originally purchased them so he could use his atv more in winter but with low snow conditions here quite a bit, he thought the 4s would be OK. Not so. Biggest money pit ever. They are very hard on steering, suspension and driveline components. He's on his 3rd cvt belt, u-joint are gone again, some suspension components are getting sloppy and because they have smaller sprockets then the quad has tires, you are running around all the time in what feels like low gear. Low gear is ultra low. The weird thing about it is the can am is actually set up for the track kit from the factory with a square channel made into the chassis but it's still very hard on the machine.
Will A Polaris Ranger 570 have sufficient horsepower to run tracks?
Solid question. We'll look into it.
I don't see what it does that I cannot do with my 4wd Ranger. They cannot drive on the highway legally.
Here in Idaho you can drive them on the roads, not on the highway but people here do that all the time, and as they keep increasing the top speed of these machines it wouldn't surprise me to see people flying down the freeway at 80+mph soon either...heck can't be any worse than the people in their little Fiats and "Smart Cars", actually I think most UTV's are larger than those anyhow.
whats the purpose of having tracks on a atv
most get them for using in the snow where tires could never take you. That's what we did. Our 2013 ranger with cab and tracks hauls a 1000lbs maple sap tank through 3 feet of snow without any issues!
People with more money than brains.
Tracks hands down help ,But do a straight up fair comparison.
Look at a tank. It's with tracks unstoppable because you have a road with you every time
It has skateboard wheels for bottom rollers. Sure to leave you stranded on a trail. Now snow....... snow might be a different story.
Using factory equip tires is probably not a fair comparison to tracks. Since the comparison is upgrading the ground contact piece of this machine.I still believe tracks are the better way, but I font think the void would be near as large. A more rugged tire would have less susceptibility to puncture because of the hire load rating and would do much better in the mucky marsh with some actual tread vs. stock tires.
You should get tripp pullen to be your spokesman.
I'm gonna stick with tires
As I'm sure these tracks are very good and a lot better in some situations , this was not an apples-to-apples comparison or at least not in the video ,more of an ad
Wait.... You didn't even do a real side by side comparison....
The only thing you really need tracks for is getting through deep *snow*.
I called the company they are located nearby me they changed their name to camso. They do not answer the phone I am not sure if I want to get involved with a company that does not answer the phone. I was wanting to see if the product would fit my utv and the price(hustler mdv). I seen another company provides track s from Canada I might go that route I would not need to remove the tires it fits on my existing tires just not really sure about the tipping point center of gravity concern s.
You guys are using cheap stock tires vs expensive tracks. Also use the same machine, it doesn't mean anything if it will balance out, that's unfair and it's a downside to the tracks, also tracks make you lose SPEED NOT POWER. At 5:18 the ranger drove THROUGH the rut and the tracked one drove around it, you can also see there is more rocks. If you are comparing 3,000$ tracks against tires you obviously have the money so why not get good tires?
Polaris Ace more like $5200...not $3k.
It’s going to suck when it de tracks
i have a polaris ranger 400
Get a good set of tires. You won't have to take 3 hrs changing them.
I have a 96 jeep with a 4 in lift a lunchbox locker and 33s that will do everything that side by side w/tracks will do outside of (excessive) mud and snow plus take me to the grocery store or work and total invested is about 2500 bucks not 20+/- thousand you can keep your sxs I'll keep my jeep and my money
Should be tracks vs over sized black mamba tires.
you cant take a 800 compared to a 570 wich is lower than the 800
AOC needs to go along with her squad
to be real, those tracks are only for hard offroad, those tires arent, you could have put some more agressive offroad tires, the difference wouldnt then maybe be as big as it is now
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So basically there is no downside to having tracks according to this video
Who else agrees there should be a youth ranger???
No just me??
You guys should work for Pziefer because this testing sucks!
this test is inaccurate, he's using stock tires, which are a thinner thickness, to be compared accurately he'd have to put better tires on
If tracks rob HP then ppl want to see the comparison between the same machines not a 570 vs 800
If you don't buy tracks to run in snow only, you're doing yourself and your wallet a disservice.
A set of chains will do the same thing for a hell of a lot cheaper.
Thumbs down : you just told me it did well in mud, not show me !
Why don't they make a decent track machine that is reasonably priced,Hell I can buy a piece of construction equipment cheaper
Without finishing the video I will guess you’re trying to sell tracks.
Actually put the tracks fully in the ruts. This is biased
Spends $22,500 on a UTV, another $25,000 on “wooded land in the country” plus a trailer, truck to pull it all, log splitter, chain saw and works all weekend cuttings trees, another month splitting, waits 3 years, then puts the wood into a fireplace as claiming savings $200 on heating bill.
It's all a hobby any way!
You can use more than for logging. Plowing snow, carrying dirt for new grass, pulling a car that isn't working but want to move to a new spot, tearing down old shed( using a winch instead of a hammer). List goes on and on.
The 800 won because it has a bigger engine
Keep talking about the stock Polaris like that and you’ll lose your sponsor boys.
🐾🐾🐻🇫🇮 Moi.
I agree trax are beneficial in a lot of situations, but still your giving a biased comparison, and the horsepower loss with the trax should be considered, as part of the cons they have.
nice undisclosed advertisement
are UTV's fucking awesome or what?!?
Buy a used small pickup or jeep, put big tires, low gears, winch and a locker and have something just as capable, compact, reliable and more versatile for the same price as a utv with tracks. Why would you buy 5000 dollars worth of tracks that will definitly break your 15,000 dollar machine while destroying all aspects of performance save for traction?
yet no mention of stearing restrictions Lets give a correct and informative review if your going to publish a review give a all around one.
With tires it's easier to move. In free
Tracks are simply amazing
They make practically any vehicle off-road worthy by themselves you can put them on a car and it makes them a off-road worthy vehicle just like that, no other system has does this as effective as tracks not even 4x4 and these are not even full tracks these take the place of tires
If you had full body length tracks (like a tank) stuff like high obstacles become easy and everything the tracks already improve upon is improved even farther the biggest drawbacks of tracks are fuel economy, loss of speed added complexity and cost but if a vehicle is designed will the tracks in mind most of these cons are lessoned quite a bit
Overall if you want capability off-road tracks are a over century old proven solution that very little has come to rival and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon
This was a pretty lop sided test. Must have paid you well to do a review like this. The wheels are tiny on the test vehicle, and it had to go through soup, while the track went over a little mud.
Also, the drive wheels are too flat. There's no climbing ability. Run it over logs. Deep mud. Swampy.
I came heee with a Crypto bit coin ads...
AT LEAST put an 800 to am 800 AND give the other bike better mud tires...
Get an APC and be done with it.
Not really a comparison if you comparing fancy tracks to stock tiny tires put some proper tires on it then compared them. The tires you have there are hardly bigger than the tires on bloody yard tractor.
Tires coast 200$ tracks coast 7000$
$4800 actually for the 570
800 versus a 570, bullshit buddy, you should have used 800's for both
Ok... not saying Tracs aren't good... but you should have compared 570s or 800s not 570 vs 800. HP to the Trac to match the 570?? What about torque? Suspension?? The 570 has stock tires... put an upgraded tire on it if the tracs are SO NARLY!!!
Losing confidence in Dirt Tracks. Unfair comparison if you ask me.
It also helps to have a good driver. You could tell they purposely slowed down to get stuck...if they didn't slow down the machine with regular tires would have gone through that just fine...its all in knowing how to drive.
BAD COMPARISON
1) The machines are different sizes!
2) At 4:08 he claims a lower center of gravity with tracks. Tracks increase the height of the COG!
odes is better, have had both,,,,,
But I don't want to spend 3000 dollars on tracks
Then you really won't want to spend what they actually cost, +/- $5,000
Don't pretend it's a contest when it's not you're just working for that track company
Tracks are for snow. It’s that simple.
big fail
biased. they used a 570 with tires and a 800 with tracks because of the tracks downfalls. yes tracks can go better places but with a outrageous price of 5000. and yes while the tracks don't go flat. they do rip and tear making replacing them harmful to once again your wallet.
Laughable testing, start with the same UTV.