S is for Super - Porsche 991.1 Carrera S vs. Base
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- čas přidán 27. 09. 2019
- A lot of you advised me to go for the S or 4S models when I was searching for my Porsche 911 991... should I have listened...? In this video my friend Mario and I take his 991.1 Carrera 2S out for a spin and set it against my 991. Carrera 2 (base). My C2 puts out 350 hp @ 7200 rpm where Mario's C2S with its PSE puts out a whopping 400 hp @ 7200 rpm with more torque, PLUS is has been tuned by EuroCharged (giving it potentially upwards of 425-450 hp), has an upgraded performance air intake and #SoulPerformance sports headers.
I hope you enjoy this video even just a fraction as much as we enjoyed making it! As ever, thanks so much for watching my videos and supporting my channel. I do all of this because of my passion for cars and interacting with like minded car enthusiasts. Keep the comments and chat coming! More videos coming soon. Cheers!
#AutoAmateur
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If you had the rear wiper it would be a different story.
Haha! I know!! Rookie mistake. 🤦🏼♂️
Brilliant😅
Love this video.
I’ve just been looking at the 991. S and the sales guy was saying I could have the 10K and get the 3.4 as most people won’t notice, watching this, you have defo saved me from hating myself 😅 in a weeks time. Great fun, relaxed cool video. Nice work
Haha, that's awesome!!!! Good for you. Cheers!
I can't believe how hard the S pulled away. Definitely looked like at least a 75hp advantage.
Just the smile with the acceleration throughout the video makes it worth watching it! Love this car.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video as always.
The drag race was superb and answered a lot of questions I had
Thanks so much!!
I was just watching another video of Marios AMG, posted in Feb 2020. I had to laugh in this one where he said he’d keep it another two years. I am the same way, I swap bikes and cars too often! You only go around once!
Yeah, I agree with one of the earlier comments. Unless you are directly racing another car, they are all fun and exciting. My 1999 996 cab stick shift when I bought it new, was super exciting and fun to drive. I sold a 1987 Ferrari Testarossa to buy it, and although a totally different style, it was no less exciting to drive, and Porsche has such a retro sports car feel, that is hard to capture with any other brand. Now I have a 911 Turbo, and although it is faster, I really don’t think other than driving it really hard, that it is any less fun than my 996 base seemed back then. Appreciate what you have today, even if it is an old MG, or any other real sports car, and be satisfied until you are ready for the next one. It’s more about the journey than the arrival.
Totally! Thanks Rick!! 😎👍
Incredibly well said
Makes me want a 991 Carrera S now 🤔👍 another great video James!
Thanks mate!! 😆👍
Many thanks for your super videos Mr Auto Amateur. Having recently bought a 991.1 Carrera 4S, but yet to pick it up, I'm hanging on your every word. Now it may be just the time of day, but the traffic in your neck of the woods appears somewhat less than you find in Inner London.
Congratulations Tony!! Enjoy! 🥳🥳🥳
The thing is, where does it all stop? I sold my 993 just over a year ago & have missed not having pork in my life ever since. Constantly watching your channel & others like it plus keeping in regular contact with the Porsche world through forums, 911uk, many local members upgrading their cars regularly, hasn’t helped my state of mind. So I’ve just traded in my daily BMW640d GC for a 997.2 C2S Manual Cab & I can’t stop smiling.
Hahahaha. That’s very true David, where does it all stop?! Hopefully just right here for now, for me. 😆 Congratulations on your new 911. That’s awesome!! 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
I have a 991 C2S and it's a super car. I don't track it so it's way too fast for public roads... seriously! By the time i get the sensation of speed, i could be on my way to jail. i wouldn't say you made a mistake. Everyone can go fast these days. You have a wonderful car. Some would argue that the base Carrera is the best car to really get the 911 experience. Maybe if you had the manual you would feel more of a connection.
OMG now ya the best channel for these cars i run every car i encounter from light weight but dem gt3's and 2 OMG Great vid man I'm still saving for my replacement (but I'm not sure they can be daily driver stuff
Thanks!! Appreciate it!! 🤩🙌👍
Wow that 991 s sounds incredible.
The difference in speed would not be nearly as much if the S was stock. On a race track the Base car holds its own against the S all day
Hi James. I told you in a previous 991 video that you WILL end up with a 9924S. I did a Porsche Day at Silverstone in a 992 4S......
OMG!! Blows away the 991.2. So enjoy your 991. Keep making the videos. And in 6 months, do the 992 ......... You will thank me.
Also one last observation: PDK is the way forward!
Hahahaha. You did and I remember! 😆👍 Thanks JP. I can’t wait to try the 992. My wife is hoping it’s not for a while though... she knows me all too well. 😂
Great video! Love the Porsche comradery! If you ever make it to Chicago, theres a .1 Turbo with a Cobb Tune waiting for you to try out. (That is as long as the Vikings don't beat my Bears tomorrow--then I might be too bitter. ; )
Hahahaha. In which case I’m routing for the Bears!! 😆🙌🙌🙌🙌 Thanks Phillip! I’d love to take you up on that offer one day!
@@AutoAmateur Routing doesn't help us, apparently. We need to start praying....
My dad has a 2017 991.1 carrera s convertible white with the red roof such a beauty
991.1 was only up until 2016.
@@nanobot2k i meant the .2
You’re missing out on the S. That makes two of us 😉 Greatly enjoyed the video. If you want to experience enthusiasm, watch this video!
Thanks so much Mike!! Appreciate it!
Just bought a 2012 Carrera S 991.1 Cabriolet and PDK with 47000 km. Your video seems to indicate that I have made a good choice. Just to let you know that I installed a CarJoyece Apple Car Play and and Nakita backup camera. It took me some time, but I am very happy with the final result. I plan to install a grill in front bumper to protect the radiators and aluminum pedals. I washed and decontaminated the car (chemical and clay bar), corrected the paint and polished, and then applied a ceramic coating. The car looks good and it is stored in my garage for winter. Thank you
Awesome video as allways James 😀
Thanks mate!! Hope you’re well! 🤩👍
@@AutoAmateur everything is ok, as we speak i am jumping in my 997 S for a evening drive in this beautifull autum time
Really nice video, I’ve enjoyed your channel. After many years with BMW I finally picked up my first Porsche yesterday (2018 718 Cayman S). Can’t wipe the stupid grin off my face 😀
Hahaha. That’s awesome Asif! Congratulations!!! 👍👍👍👍👍🥳🥳🥳🥳
Putting that drone to work in this episode!
That’s right!! No crashing into trees either this time. 😆🤦🏼♂️
Another great video! I was hoping the base would have held up a little better in the comparison. Though, as far as price, there is probably a $7.5k difference in options that add to the wow factor of the S ($3k sport exhaust, $3k headers, $1.5k tune). I’d love to see a stock vs. stock rematch ;-)
Hold that thought!! Another C2 vs different C2S video coming soon.
Ps. Thank you!
Auto Amateur thank you! Given the number variations and owner customizations, I know it is almost impossible to get a perfect comparison.
Having had 4s, 3, and s, I decided to go base cab for the first time. I went from a tuned m4 550hp to 350, but my M4 was not practical and I had to stay in eco mode. :) Did xpipe, side muffler mod and she has come to her own. I love the rag top! Thank you for the videos!
Nice job!
This video was awesome
Thank you!
Are the price paid even real? 991.1 carrera s is about 70k~80k on carfax nowadays.
Pre pandemic these were way more affordable. I remember thinking in late 2019 "oh I'll just wait till these fully loaded 991.1 Carrera S dip down into the high 40s" fully expecting that to happen. Now you would be lucky to find a nice base 3.4 for 55k.
991s has plenty of power and great sound with the sport exhaust. It really does not need any aftermarket tuning that could take away the factory smoothness. I have mine stock but did tune my S4 daily driver to well over 450hp.
And with torque at 390 it is a monster and you have step lightly on the throttle. It takes away the factory smoothness and it is actually slower accelerating from a start on wet roads as there is too much torque. Sometimes spins the rear wheels or all 4 wheels even when the road is dry so it cannot just be floored from a start.
I wish I could by a 991.1 S for $54k right now
The 991 has appreciated by quite a bit since this video was made. (8:35 mark)
Porsche exhaust on = always! Seriously, after watching your vids on your 991, you have ruined me. A 997 just doesn’t look as attractive as it used to. Always fun to watch your videos!
Ha!! Please tell my mate Michael Bath that. 😜 Thanks Jonathan!! 🤩🙌
Auto Amateur No way! I follow him, too. Great guy with a great car.
997 is still a more 'old school' Porsche driving experience. 997 steering is hard to beat. And the size is more sportscar than Grand Tourer.
MrElnuno All true points. 997’s are wonderful.
Buy a used 911 turbo S and get it over with. Porsche is such a great car as they have few problems and more dealers around than any other high end car company. I bought one in 2018 and you run these cars so hard and they never skip a beat. The punishment they can take is unreal. There are quicker and faster cars out there but i would never trade off the dependability for a couple extra ticks on the timer. Plus if you tuned the turbo S it could be up around 700hp with allwheel drive. Totally awesome.
James !!! Take the day off tomorrow.. run down to the bank and refinance the house then put that GT3 in the garage.. us poor 997 poor stricken owners don't seem to have these issues. Don't want to be anywhere remotely close to your house when the wife sees this vlog. 😀😃😄😅😂🤣
Even though I would of liked the S too I went for the base as i really don’t think the s was worth the extra ! Especially if the base has all the correct options !!
I'm very happy with my base C2 too, but WOW. The S was so much fun to drive. Haha.
S. ALL DAY LONG!
You should get a tune and exhaust also. Prolly bring your base to about 380-385 hp
Yeah, I’m thinking about it. I can get an extra 25 hp up to 375 with a tune but that’s $1000. Is that really worth it? I can’t decide.
Auto Amateur yes it is, obviously
@@AutoAmateur let me know if you decide go get the tune. I recently sold my 991.1 base and I have the Cobb tune for sale. I'll give u a good price.
There is always someone bigger and faster. It is nice to know you have the power but when you cant use it fully its a waste. Just 10 years ago 350 was a 5L v8. Today everyone thinks less than 400 is slow...... Its impossible to keep up. More fun to drive slow car fast.....
Our chevy V8 back in 1978 used to do only 135hp with 5 litres.
I’ve had a rule for some time now that I always buy the biggest engine available- that applies to lawn mowers, washing machines etc etc and cars. My theory is that larger engines are less stressed, last longer, perform better and are worth more if you decide to sell later. With cars the larger engine also often brings a high level of spec. For those reasons I have a 3.4 Boxster S and don’t regret paying a bit more.
I like it! 🙌
What? The 911.1 base has the same engine as the 3.4 Boxster S...
Nah, you didn't make a mistake. Actually the S, even with its mods, calmly walks away, but does not "blow away" the base. Just seeing this video alone makes me prefer to keep my 991.1 C2 for a few years and save up for something actually significantly faster like a 991.2 or 992 base, with a tune. I'm sure by now you have had a few very enjoyable years with your C2 !
Hello.. I am looking to buy a manual 911 Carrera, I have driven the 911 Carrera S and was in love with it. My question since there are very, very few for sale of the S. Is the 911 Carrera (2014) different in suspension and How much the performance is noticeable, since it is 50 hsp less then 911 Carrera S??
No major differences between the suspension but the power and performance of the S is noticeable above the base Carrera. With my new headers and engine tune, my car is maybe putting out 375 hp now but the S will still smoke me.
To reiterate, the 2CS here has been souped up, so it would beat a standard 2CS let alone the base model.
There’s always a faster Porsche. I’ve a C2 and yes I’d like a 2CS, but if I had that then I’d want the next one up, and so on. Not trying to big up the base model, but it still looks stunning, sounds great and goes like shit off a shovel. It’s still a fast Porsche, just not the fastest.
Bollocks, got my C2S and 2CS mixed up. You get what I mean.
My research indicated going from a base 997 base Carrera to a 991.1 base Carrera only increased horse power by 5, from 345 to 350, and that going from a Carrera S 997 to a 991.1 increased horsepower by 15, from 385 to 400. Also, I saw another video comparing the 991.1 base Carrera to a Carrera S had 0-60 times of 4.3 versus 4.2 (practically no difference, although one was a PDK and the other manual and this was from the UK), so I'm not sure about the assertions made in this video.
When you floor it... why not shift with the paddles yourself to increase your involvement in the driving experience. Thats the best part of PDK.
That’s a great point. I do usually but between trying to drive someone else’s car, keeping an eye on the cameras and engage in chat I think my simple mind goes on auto like the transmission. 😆👍
I’m blown away by the chart (8:45) where you show avg price paid (used) at $46k and $54k for 991 base vs S. I would have thought the price would be at least $30k higher! Now I’m seriously considering getting one. Do you mind sharing where you obtained the avg. selling price data? Thanks in advance!
Hello! Sure thing, I took the average between the pricing data provided by AutoTrader.com and Kelly Blue Book.
@@AutoAmateur Aha, thanks!
You bet!
I paid 84k for a 2015 C2S with 17k miles so I wouldn’t pay much attention to those average numbers unless you want a high mileage, low optioned model.
I don't know when this video was made (I'll check in a minute), but those prices are at least 10k if not 15k below what I've seen. (Admittedly, I look at low mileage vehicles, but aren't most Porsches?) Although prices are coming down, so maybe I'm looking at a spike which almost all used cars went through during the Covid supply shortage era?
If I can make a suggestion, the way you're going, I would suggest putting a deposit on a GT2RS.
Lot less agony that way, than going up one model at a time! lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I love it. Haha. Thanks Mario!! 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
With a good exhaust on your base, I would think you would no longer feel like you need the S. I'm thinking maybe the S just sounds better to you?
It sounds better but the power and kick you feel behind you, when you hit the gas in the S, is very different to the non-S. It’s a very different experience.
Did you not see the difference in power?
You will get a terrific uplift in power with a stage 1 tune; e.g., Cobb, $ 1,500?
I’m looking into a couple of different options along those lines. Thanks John! So far I understand I can get a max uplift of 25 hp that would take me up to 375 hp.
Question: if I did an ECU tune to bump up the hp on the base 991 to match the S will it void the warranty?
Yes, most likely. In fact yes, almost definitely.
Your roads are like ours in California to bad! Those cars should have proper roads.
looking at those prices 3 years ago vs now... a little sick to my stomach
Haha. RIGHT!!
Hello Mario and James, I have a question. With who are you guys getting insurance? I am in MN too and got quoted $350 a month with statefarm. I had talked to other guys in chat rooms and some are getting a full coverage for $110. I am 52 and no accidents. Thanks guys
That’s what I’m paying with State Farm for my 2018 991.2. Progressive was much better to be honest. I only switched to SF because my wife’s friend started with them.
power-wise the base 991.1 isn't that strong, especially there are tons of powerful cars nowadays, unless you get a turbo version , but it doesn't have any less fun
0-60 in 4.3 is still very fast..
Makes me want a lawn mower , lower maintenance cost
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Come on Auto Amateur you should have known, base models are for dentists. NOT enthusiasts!! :)
Dentists?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's hilarious...the previous owner of my Targa was an Orthodontist.
HEy dont forget us IT security guys lol (takes that like a compliment and i'm betting ya have more money than driving skills lol but cheers!!
Nope. Any dentist worth his salt will daily drive his 911 Turbo to his clinic. Never the base carrera. Nor a GT3/2 though either.
I don't get why Sports Plus doesn't activate Sport Exhaust, but oh well
It does on my 2016 GTS
@@SpoiledHeeb is it a GTS thing?
My sport exhaust activates when i activate the sport or sport plus
Get a 991.2 Carrera base and be done with it. Mine is quicker than the 991.1 4S I had before
Porsche is the worst for upgrade/model/accessory envy. At some point it never stops, there is always an S, GTS, Turbo, RS3, PASM, Black headlights, Crest in the seat backs - If you gross compare every car, it can drive you nuts.
You have a nicer car than 99% of America - don't let romp with another test your love for the current car. We kill ourselves going to these "Cars and Coffee" and always think that other ideas are better. Man, just enjoy, bank your excess cash, and get another in 2 to 5 years......
Totally agree! Thanks George. 🤩🙌
Definitely true. Even the guys buying what they thought was the top of the mass production models, the GT2RS. Then they come out with a Manthey Racing Nurburgring version.
So his car goes faster in a straight line...so what? Too easy to get caught up in Porsche's escalator of trims and additional tens of thousands of dollars. I hope you can enjoy your car to the fullest anyway.
I don’t believe the pricing numbers. That’s what I’m seeing 997.1 to 997.2. Maybe. The .2s command more and the .1s are about $45K (give or take depending on miles, options). Now I don’t track 991 prices, so there is that.
Now if those prices are accurate... I prefer the style of the 997, but conventional wisdom says buy the newest 911 possible. If they’re accurate I’d go for a 991. Maybe.
They’re just average prices according to Edmunds.com. They have the 997 averages a little lower. You can find 991.1 C2s as high as $80k or more. All depends on mileage and spec of course.
5:25
It’s pretty clear the base Car was not tuned and not PDK. I enjoyed the video but the comparison was kind of pointless..
The base car had PDK. The S was tuned yes, and had PDK.
You are botching Mario’s name
It’s my accent. That’s how we say the name in England.