Why hasn’t STAR WARS ever done this with LIGHTSABERS?
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- This one thing would make STAR WARS lightsaber WAY more dangerous.
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Back before Disney threw it all away, there was a whole series of books called Jedi Apprentice, following the adventures of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon before episode one. In it, it comes up several times that lightsabers have adjustable blades, and can go from a tiny dagger up to the full length of the blade being just under a meter. They can't get longer than that in a hand-held version because the magnetic field generated by the grip collapses. The blades will also shut off if they come in contact with water unless they're specifically designed to handle it (such as Kit Fisto's), but those blades drain the power cell very fast when actually used underwater.
There are actually larger versions. Things like disruptor beams, as well as the laser walls in Episode 1 use the same principle as a lightsaber blade. They just require power supplies that are too big to be man-portable.
There's also another book set much later. In "I, Jedi" Corran Horn builds a lightsaber with multiple crystals and ends up able to adjust the blade into something resembling a spear. The only problem with that, interestingly enough, was that the blade had no weight and it made it extremely unwieldy and dangerous because you could flip it around so casually.
Came here to basically say exactly that. 👍
im pretty sure vaders saber also canonically has a dual phase so it can extend
I was just going to mention Corran. What a boss.
Saved me the trouble, this is why you need to read up on the lore of an IP.
Its the same in canon, in rebels it's stated that lightsabers usually have a thing that allows you to adjust the length
Yoga class instructor: Welcome. Uhh, why are you carrying a lightsaber?
Me: Misread the brochure I have.
The correct sentence order would also gave it away.
😂😂😂
"Next door you go.
Jedi academy there is."
"Thank you Master Yoga."
"May prana be with you,
🙏 Namaste."
XDDDDDDDD do not wear your sith clothes to his class thinking of defeating his dojo lmao. edit unless the instructor is hot. then it may develop in interesting ways hahahah
@@MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk uuuuhhh! 😏😂
In the Jedi Academy Trilogy, Luke's first student that he recruits to the New Jedi Order was name Gantoris, and he constructed a lightsaber that could extend to 3 times the normal length.
Yes! Came into the comments to look for/post this. I haven't read those books in literally 20 years or more (but they were excellent!) but didn't Kyp Durron build a Dark Side version with a purple blade when he met Exar Kun's Dark Side Ghost?
I remember back in I, Jedi Corran Horn had an adjustable lightsaber for about half of the book. It was explained that to extend his blade from the standard to the almost 2 meter length he had to bring an additional focusing crystal online. When he did in the warehouse fight, it blew up because of impurities in the second crystal. Of course, Luke Skywalker in the later books against Darth Lumiya built a shorter parrying lightsaber to counter her lightwhip. Of course, we can't forget the Dark Jedi with the first Double bladed lightsaber Exar Kun, both could shorten to as short as half a meter and as long as a meter each apparently.
Gantoris also built an adjustable length lightsaber as well. Exar Kun's ghost did him dirty.
And dont forget the young Kyp Duron who performed the same feat as corran on yavin 4 at the academy. Its from some of the more obscure books, but there are a few examples of lightsaber pikes and the like througout the extended universe
Horn actually had an adjustable lightsabe in the new jedi series, he had replaced the original faulty crystal
Lightsaber length was actually addressed canonically pre-prequels in the expanded universe books. "Corran Horn" specifically is a recurring character in many novels who built a "dual-phase" lightsaber that could extend to (exact lengths vary but approximately) 3 meters in length by twisting the handle to use a different focusing crystal. The length is defined by the crystal the light is focused through - so to change the length you need a different crystal or different geometry of said crystal.
The main down-side of the length is that when hit with an object it can't cut through, such as another lightsaber, the longer lightsaber yields mechanical advantage to your opponent and is much easier to push out of line. Extremely long swords have this issue somewhat - but they also have a lot of inertia helping them hold position. You have to remember that the lightsaber has no mass or inertia to help it hold its position - they are very vulnerable to being deflected by anything they can't cut.
I can't blame you for not finding this lore however, since it is sadly no longer official cannon, and they've done some strange things since the canon went out the window. But it WAS addressed, surprisingly in depth. And I'd imagine the basic physics probably haven't entirely gone out the window even with the new canon.
"The length is defined by the crystal the light is focused through"
You also need a magnetic containment field that can manage it.
And the normal, highly efficient field has a limit of around 1 to 1.5m. Beyond that, you need the next step up in fields, which is MUCH bigger and heavier and uses MUCH MUCH more energy to function.
However, IIRC about Horn's superlong model, it was a one off experiment and deemed a failure?
And burned out on the first use i think?
"he main down-side of the length is that when hit with an object it can't cut through, such as another lightsaber, the longer lightsaber yields mechanical advantage to your opponent and is much easier to push out of line."
Good point. I forgot that in my own post.
The old EU, or as it is now called Legends is the true Star Wars canon. Disney had their chance to execute either Lucas's vision for Star Wars or bring Legends stories to the big screen, they failed.
Oh I see I'm not the first to think of Corran Horn and his Lightsaber. Haha
That's good to know.
@@DIREWOLFx75 The proto-sabers had a backpack power generator that connected to the lightsaber's hilt by a power cable. Obviously the Star Wars galaxy has advanced enough power generation to generate enough energy to create a lightsaber blade that would allow you to joust star destroyers. Worse comes to worse, strap the power pack to a small hypserspace drive and ram it into the enemy flagship.
Don't forget it also has to do with the size of the components as well. a massively larger saber would require a much larger power supply. As Direwolfx75 points out, not only does it need to generate enough power to create the plasma loop that allows a lightsaber to function almost indefinitely, but it also needs to power the magnetic field that contains all the heat and keeps it going in a loop. Oldeskul has a good point with protosabers, they technically only got sabers to their functional form that we are used to relatively recently in the starwars mythos. After that blaster tech followed along very quickly and improvements to saber design were no longer seen as necessary. Add on to that the individualism and ritualistic viewpoints that the Jedi had centered around the lightsaber and any real progress was seen as defiling "an elegant weapon for a more civilized age." Not to mention the Sith often mass producing sabers and making their own improvements which the Jedi would scorn as dark side influence.
What about… LIGHTSABER NUNCHUCKS!?!!
instant Suizide lol
Genius...
It’s perfect anyone dumb enough to try to use it looses their hands instantly.
I thought that was cool until i thought about it 💀
You gonna have no hands
Way too dangerous. Plus, they wouldn't even have all the functionality of normal nunchaku because martial artists who use them will grab and hold them by various spots along the... I guess I'd call it the pole?
If I remember, Kilo Ren's Lightsaber only has a cross guard due to the crystal that was used in the creation of the blade being unstable with too much power, and the cross guard part was made to bleed off the excess power.
The real world reason for the darksaber's appearance is it was originally supposed to be a cortosis vibrosword but someone didn't like a physical blade blocking a lightsaber (even though it's not rare outside of movies).
So it's a physical blade recolored.
that someone was actually Lucas. He never liked the idea of Vibroblades
@@prettyrellos3502yeah makes sense he always liked Star Wars also being kid friendly and laser swords are far more kid friendly than actual swords and especially knives
To be fair I hate when physical weapons block lightsabers in media. Especially when they don't explain it. Gundam drives me up a wall when Heat Swords (Heated metal) block Beam Sabers with no effort.
He didn’t like cortosis-I thought: the idea that one metal could block lightsabers. (Then why wouldn’t everybody have it? he asked.)
@@JoeKawano I thought cortosis was rare? Why wasn't that the knee-jerk response?
In Rebels, when Kanan first hands Ezra a lightsaber, he shows a dial that can chang ethe length.
Imagine being able to change the length during a lightsaber duel. That would change the game 🤔
@@jonafen5504 theres already a technique for turning off and on our blad during a duel, but its not used because even the sith dont like doing it
@@jonafen5504vader canonically does that
@@leonrussell9607 Well, Vader was Anakin the war crime enjoyer, so makes sense why he'd do it
I think even as "young-lings" they are shown how to adjust it back when Yoda and them was teaching them in the temple as it would really stink if they had to remake there light saber just because they where growing.. After all they start learning the moves when they are Yoda sized and grow to be a normal human height so what 3 or 4 Yoda's tall?
It's called a dual phase blade, it's a modification Darth Vader had on his own lightsaber. Lightclubs also have longer blades, but are usually used by larger species. But it's not very common for a few reasons. One, Jedi are very traditional, and struggle with breaking the mold to make themselves more dangerous because taking life is supposed to be a last resort. Two, because they have so much cutting power a longer blade can cause too much collateral damage, potentially to something important that could blow up or cause explosive decompression.
Corran Horn in legends had a dual phase lightsaber initially
I don't buy the collateral damage part. You can train to be aware of your blade position at all time. Even without any kind of space magic. For a jedi who is agile enough to deflect projectiles it's nothing.
If it is super long you can't block incoming fire nearly as much
@@alexmin4752 Pobodies nerfect. Shorter blades being safer to handle in space is a perfect reason. Logically and epistemically consistent.
@@alexmin4752 True.
In the original EU for Star Wars, there were stories of Jedi who used sabers that could extend their blade, Corran Horn being one of the newer ones who trained under Luke used this technique to enhance his reach in combat.
Imagine fighting in a corridor or amongst friendly troops with a 10 foot lightsaber blade... I think sometimes the length is based on the height of the wielder. You'd be hitting the ground at the very least with some of your swings if it's too long for your height.
Blade adjustment definitely appears early on in rebels
There could still be an upper or lower limit.
@@RequiemPoete true
It’s probably based of the crystal. Think about it, Maul used I think it was 4 crystals in his saber and as such he had 2 blades that looked pretty long compared to others or Cal Kestis who has more than 1 crystal in his saber and as such can increase its length. To me I think that having more crystals gives you more potential length but comes with the drawback of needing more crystals.
@@jackcunningham9177 that's fair, and idk about Kanan's, but Ezra's lightsabre adjusts and he only has one crystal.
@@5sibROBLOXthey can all adjust but bigger crystal (or more) means bigger blade
In Star Wars Rebels, Kanan is training Ezra on lightsabers and during his training he showed him how to adjust the length of his blade to his body. I remember it's the first season but I can't remember which episode.
I was pretty surprised they didn’t discuss this.
I’m fairly certain the only reason it exists is to explain a VFX error in ANH where Vader’s lightsaber blade looks noticeably longer in one or two shots.
@@DrFranklynAnderson That is it, also Doku's blade length changed a lot in cannon too.
@@DrFranklynAnderson Everything in Star Wars exists to explain a previous mistake, that's about 75% of the entire lore of the universe lmao.
@@thenerdyarab7622 They probably haven't watched too much post DIsney SW and couldn't refference it.
Before Disney de-canonized it, the EU had dual phase lightsabers. Corran Horn, former Cor-Sec turned Jedi Master and part of the Halcyon lineage, used one to great effect. With a twist of the hilt to align a second set of crystals, it could extend up to 3 meters in length.
Also, there is a lightsaber technique/form, Trakata, that involves turning on and off the lightsaber during strikes.
There is a Lightsaber form called Trakata (I may have misspelled that) that was focused on turning it off and on in combat but it was not popular because the Jedi saw it as deceptive.
Just for clarification Shad, the Darksaber is wholly unique, and was constructed by the one and only Mandalorian Jedi thousands of years before the movies. It was built using secret techniques that the Jedi didn't approve of, and thus was never replicated.
It's design is based on ancient Mandalorian swords from before the Lightsaber's invention, which is why it has a crossguard, and why the emitter was forged narrow, forcing the blade to be flat like a sword's.
After its creator died, the Darksaber became more of a symbol, and more of a myth.
The "first" Mando Jedi is rather questionable given expanded universe material and the "only" is laughable. SWtOR has plenty of Mandos falling on both sides of the Sith/Jedi fence. The reality is that people forget that Mandalorians are a culture, not a species. There are human Mandos and there could easily be MonCal Mandos.
@@pwrserge83 Yes, they're a culture, and that's why it's impossible in the High Republic era for there to be a Mandalorian Jedi. Culture isn't your parentage, it's how you're raised. Jedi take younglings into their ranks, before their culture has had any imprint on them. They can't be raised as both a Jedi and a Mandalorian.
But yeah, Tarre Vizla was canonically the first Mandalorian Jedi, not the only.
@@pwrserge83 Swtor is an MMO that is not canon, even to the old lore. Thanks though, for that wholly unhelpful trash you typed.
@@dyent yes, and the the youngling thing was only a thing in the late republic. Previously, Jedi recruited sentients of all ages.
@@graysonb_designs lol... it's more cannon than the vomit the Darth Mouse has been trying to pass as Star Wars.
Well, we can assume that for the standard lightsaber, the default length is the maximum length. Canonically, lightsabers use a containment field, so we can assume there is a maximum length. We also have to remember that the vast majority of Jedi are never going to fight another lightsaber user; most opponents will be blaster users, so blaster deflection is far more important. A longer blade doesn't really help with that. By the time of the Clone Wars, lightsabers are a more ceremonial weapon than a practical weapon anyways, so comfortability with a shorter hilt is a bigger concern.
I would say in the time before the Clone Wars were more of a sidearm like a Pistol for Police. You wouldn't wanna go to war with these. Kylo's lightsaber design and the darksaber are from times of big Jedi vs Sith wars, were Lightsaberbattles were common.
The one issue with that is the force technique that allows telekinesis that has been used in both legends and current cannon to block things, which now that I think about it would also render Shads need for a guard kind of pointless especially since 9/10 times there fighting blaster fire.
@@Bratwurst481 Wasn't Kylo's lightsaber only designed this way because he screwed up during the creation, broke the crystal and now needed a way to vent the excess energy?
Couldn't you have a bigger power supply in a backpack or something?
A lightsaber with a 100 foot blade would be an objectively better ranged weapon than a blaster anyway...
Just imagine how fast the tip would be going when you whip the handle around...
@@BlooCollaGal The originally had a separate power supply backpack connected by a wire back in the early days of the jedi and once the wire was cut the light saber was useless
I remember that in the days way before Disney it was Canon that Lightsaber had a pushing force against the hilt from the blades containment field. Not that high in air, but quite substantial in Water or solid Matter. Besides the power draw and focusing issue, that is why blade length was not endlessly large.
In one of the earlier Comics Luke Skywalker was ejected out into a space debris field with just an emergency space suit and his Lightsaber. He had quite some speed from the Air that pushed him out, so landing without something breaking his fall would surely result in him being killed or at least heavily injured.
And he used his Lightsaber and this pushing force of the Containment Field to break his fall by simply pointing the Saber down, into the Asteroid he was going to smash into.
I remember a pic of another Jedi in a comic using his Saber to slow his fall down a cliff/wall by pushing his Saber into the wall.
When Qui-Gon jabbed his Saber to cut open the doors and they close the blast doors on his Saber, he would have had to use to much force to cut through, so he had to resort to melt them down
I think it's like holding a jet engine in your hand that gets stronger the longer its blade is. At some point it will be more hindering then helpful.
But I could see some of the Jedi sword forms use that as part of the style
The idea of off and on with lightsabers is actually a secret, shunned style of combat that you can learn in the canon, called Trakata
It is also (if I remember correctly) heavily frowned upon by the Jedi and Sith, since you can’t effectively defend against such a technique. Jedi see it as dishonourable, sith - as a threat they rather would not have
@@user-cd4dp6jy7g Jedi see it as dishonorable, Sith see it as a petty trick that is beneath them, but yeah
It's a "secret technique" that the blade only needs to be turned on while blocking or attacking?
Couldn't you like, use the Force to only activate the blade when it's in position to be striking?
Why do anything else?
@@BlooCollaGal You presumably follow martial arts to some degree as you're on this channel, so you're well aware that people over the thousands of years that society has existed have adapted many different methodologies to fighting with weapons that don't have a "the blade disappears" button. While accepting this, you're put off by the idea that fictional martial arts would have its own fighting techniques surrounding the nuances of turning off your lightsaber mid-combat?
Also, why do anything else? You mean, "Why would you ever need to do anything besides mutually assured destruction?" Remember that turning off a lightsaber is turning your ability to parry - most of the time it's going to be more advantageous to have it active than inactive because it's how you stop yourself from getting cut up.
@@Yawyna124 dawg, jedis have superpowers.
2:10 - in Splinter of the Mind’s Eye, Luke adjusts the length of the lightsaber to be a small knife so he can break a lock without anyone noticing as the blade is much smaller. So yes, the length can be adjusted.
Alright, you can make the "blade" smaller, but can you make it bigger than the "standard" length?
@@Herandro_just_Herandro In Jedi Survivor there is a longer lightsaber with a cross guard as one of the 5 selectable "forms" but for some reason it's slower to use.
@@Herandro_just_Herandro There must be a maximum length, and it would appear that the default length is indeed the maximum length.
@@Herandro_just_Herandro my assumption is that the power cell that provides energy can only output so much at a time before having issues with stability. Keep in mind that in the EU (ie. legends, which Disney pretends doesn’t exist) the original proto-sabers were charged not with an internal battery, but by an energy pack attached to the saber by a power cord which hung on the belt. It’s very possible that as saber tech evolved, keeping the device lightweight and ensuring there was no need for an outside power source took precedent over blade size.
@@Herandro_just_Herandro Yes. A standard lightsaber can be adjusted to either shorter or longer, safety and intensity, narrowed or wide, and for focus and magnetic stability. Safety and standard length, width and intensity are the most stable and efficient and the easiest settings to maintain. However, those with more expertise have made lightsabers have made sabers with capabilities. Corran Horn had a dual phased lightsaber, with two crystals for the standard length and great sword length.
I was big into the Star Wars EU when I was younger, and I have vague memories of someone toying with the length. I think it went out to something like 3 meters, and the character said it was too unwieldy in a fight.
Yeah! Corran Horn. Compounding the issue was the fact that he hadn't actually tested it before he used it the first time, so when he tried to catch somebody off guard with the sudden increase in length, it broke.
kip duran has been swing his 3 meter lightstick since 1994.
He used it to good effect in the Yushong Vong arc.
@@Attaxalotl Correction he DID test it. The crystal was a fake one so it lasted long enough for the test but then finished burning out when he went to actually use it.
@@revanninja oops! It's been a while since I've read it.
For the flat blade vs round blade argument, its not just about blocking, they often deliberately direct the blasters back at targets, thats a lot easier with a consistent blade
This is a huge point. The flat blade would make it infinitely easier to redirect blaster fire.
1) Angle determination. With a flat blade, determining the needed angle needed to redirect in the desired direction is just simple math. With a cylindrical blade, it is a far, far more difficult calculation.
2) Aligning the blade at the calculated angle. Again, the flat blade has a huge advantage. Even when deflecting at an angle, you often have over an inch to intercept the laser. With a cylindrical "blade", you have literally a single point on the blade that would redirect the blast at the desired angle. Since a point technically has no width, that would make redirecting a blast at the exact angle you want literally infinitely easier with a flat blade.
Now in practice, it is not quite infinitely easier as the target of the redirection isn't a point, but does have width, so there is an very small arc around the round saber that would redirect the blast to hit the desired person. Also, the size of the arc is inversely proportional to the square of the distance of the target from the saber. This means that the portion of the blade that you could use to redirect a blast at a target is 1000x smaller when trying to hit someone 50 ft away vs someone 5 ft away.
So in summary, a flat blade would be a HUUUUUGGGEEEE advantage in redirecting blaster fire.
The death star uses kyber crystals to extend an energy beam; the death star is a light saber with infinite length.
Not infinite. Anytime there was a deathstar they were constantly going on about targets not being in range
@@koboldsage9112 Your right, but even a couple of parsecs is practically infinite compared to a normal light saber. :)
Because you'd take out more innocent alien vermin in the cantina. When they're just trying to enjoy the music.
🖐️Decent Point!
🖐️Doesn't account for Sith ethics.
Adjust the length according to the battlefield you are in.
Eh, they all have the death sentence on twelve systems.
To correct shad, there are lightsabers with much more length. The issues with it is they required a special saber lens to get more length, as referenced with Darth Revans lightsaber. Then for even longer ones then that we reference star wars jedi survivor for the greatsaber which is a a greatsword turned into a lightsaber. This was mostly used during the High Republic era when the sith we're believed to be fully beaten.
All Saber adjustment lore originates in the Books which came out before Episode 1
don't mean to be that guy but that fact you spelled "were" as "we're" is killing me rn.
@@hia5235 fair enough, most of my lore knowledge comes from the movies and games, which mention these.
@@lordender_kitty_official I did not even notice, tbh I wrote this on my phone so we can blame autocorrect 😂
@@hia5235 That doesn't mean you could ever adjust the lightsaber lenght or width without any restrictions, pretty sure you could only do limited adjusting with those, so the two are not at all mutually exclusive.
In the Legends continuity (Star Wars Expanded Universe before Disney took over) when Luke opens up his new Jedi Academy at Yavin IV, one of his students actually builds a lightsaber with many crystals and it can actually change lengths and give the fighter extra reach and also shrink for close quarters. The bloke’s name was Gantoris.
This idea was explored in the Jedi Academy books. The blade's length is limited by the crystal used. Using three crystals, Jacen Solo built an adjustable lightsaber.
Technically, the Death Star was a giant lightsaber.
In Jedi Survivor, Cal can get a cross-guard lightsaber. In that mode, the blade's length increases to be more similar to a great sword. Though being a video game, the blade somehow weighs more, with Cal swinging it like it suddenly had a huge increase in weight. But that's for gameplay balance more than anything.
That was one of the reasons why I skipped that game. The main reason was The High Republic. I reject that cringe 100% From the gameplay I've seen, it wasn't for me anyway.
@@finfrog3237you rejected a game because of a singular combat style that your aren’t even forced to use? Well that’s a new one
Oh why he's using a heavier attack style is that its how to use the blade properly as most of the styles are remenencent of katanas or Demon slayer styles where the crossguard isnt a factor plus Cal isnt trained for the crossguard limitations.
@@Grim-Owl if you had read my comment, you would have seen the main reason. But yeah, the cross guard lightsaber is cringe and dumb. (See Kylo Ren)
Not as cringe and dumb as the High Republic though. If it wasn't for the High Republic content, I might have bought it at a highly reduced price. But, I can't enjoy Disney Cringe writing.
Its less so the blade and more so the hilt is heavier. The blade thickness can be adjusted but i dont think the blade gets heavier, though given the Dark Saber Lore, it could be the crystal within, but keep in mind his saber hilt was originally meant for a lasat
I think the perfect explanation for this to fill in plot holes would that, it gets unstable after a certain length so this is the max length they can do.
Yes that is one of the precise reasons it doesn’t work. Disney just came in and said no to it all so now nothing makes sense
Indeed the logic thing to assume is that like metal blades factors of ergonomics and metalurgy combine to create a limiting factor on blade length. Just because the blade is not metal but some weird plasma stuff we should assume that their are still limiting factors to the technology which made longer blades impractical. Energy consumption, a loss of rigidity (I hate it when I get my Swartz twisted), loss of cutting power etc etc.
Another reason would be that you need to be able to use them inside a spaceship.
Doesn't do you any good if you accidently vent yourself.
well lightsaber are "force" bend to the user, and adding other cristal to get more power will be like viruses, they will be destroying each other.
Presumably, there is some sort of energy or material cost to having larger lightsabers, otherwise they would just make mile long ones to cut through entire armies
A longer blade can help, but it can also be a very big disadvantage if you are going against a fencer or a professional swordsman. That is why I like the katana, it’s length is not too big and it is short enough that you can easily recover from someone parrying your attack and you can parry their repost.
Corran Horn does this, or tries to at least. He doesn't bother testing it the first time he uses it, and his lightsaber shorts out as a result.
And as to why the Jedi never made lightsabers with Crossguards or longer lightsabers: They _used to_ but they stopped when they thought they had defeated the Sith.
1. Lightsabers are not weightless, they are beams of condensed plasma in a magnetic field, not a flashlight.
If they were weightless you wouldn't see all those intricate lightsabers techniques, people would just spin them like Grievous does.
Yet they can't because they are heavy, and he's a cyborg, so he doesn't care.
2. Lightsaber length can be adjusted, but you can get so far as 1 meter with your standard kyber crystal.
People used bigger crystals for different weapons, like Death Star or Luthen Rael's Fondor Haulcraft beams, those were massive.
3. And we actually saw blade with different length modes recently, in Jedi: Survivor.
Cal's main lightsaber is 1 meter long, but his shoto blade can be, well, short, around 0.7 meters in standalone mode, default in double blade mode, or can be redirected into main blade with crossguard emitter for a 1.5 m blade.
But, back to square one: It's heavy af.
I would also add about darksaber that its a unique blade for a reason: it was made by jedi-mandalorian. And if you know anything about mandalorians it shouldn't come as a surprise they tend to have their weapons "unique".
The fact that it has edge alignment does make it harder to master, but also gives a slight advantage, so it's one to one.
And even if we skip the fact that it's a unique blade, the answer to "why jedi don't use X modification of a lightsaber / X superior weapon, etc." is always the same: Jedi were symbols of hope and peace across the galaxy, not the warmongers. They probably can master some lightsaber nunchucks , lightwhips, kyber-blasters, etc - but that's not what jedi represent.
And usually the only jedi who deviated from standard image of jedi with single blade are either because of alien physiology, darkside tendencies or survival need.
condensed plasma in a magnetic field is nearly weightless. In fact, plasma is hydrogen gas so it is going to be lighter than the air surrounding it, even if it is condensed.
Much of the restrictions mentioned here only apply during the end of the High Republic Era (aka the movie saga). Many of the ancient Jedi had unique lightsaber styles/colors/sizes. Especially in Legends, there is a massive variety of sabers. I recently finished a re-read of the Darth Bane trilogy and was amazed how many times lightsaber length was mentioned. Specifically at one point it mentioned a human jedi knight Sarro Xaj carrying a nearly 3 meter long double bladed blue saber, as he was over 2 meters tall. In the fight scene he faces Darth Zannah who has a double bladed saber herself, but each blade is .75 meters as she is average human female height.
There are also jedi mentioned with dual sabers as well as a former jedi who uses a lightwhip in that series.
@@marshalwhite92 correct, yet still aligns with what I said: jedi only resort to fancy weapons when they have to fight for their lives.
High republic, late republic and even clone wars jedi were not in a grave danger to go for such measures. You don't need a two-phase splitsaber with shoto and crossguard modes to slice up clankers.
Grievous had rotating hands, of course people couldn't do that with their fixed joint hands. Also if can use the force to move around i.e. jumping, then they can use the force to make it easier to swing.
@@FablestoneSeries and It's the same as saying "gas has no mass", yet the more you pressurize it the more tangible values it gets. LNG for example already weights up to 0.5 kg/litre. Not as negligible value as in a lighter.
If we compare lightsaber from star wars and the closest we got in the real world - hacksmith propane saber: the difference are night and day. And it's pretty hot, yet it's not nearly as dense as a lightsaber. You can't clash two blowtorches against one another, and you sure wouldn't cut someone limb by briefly slashing a person with it.
I'm not even talking about other ways to add "weight" to a swing: gyroscopic effect or sci-fi magnetic fields, that can hover entire tanks over ground - basically a gravitational force.
Holy shit shad, I actually got recommended this video, its a bloody christmas miracle
probably already been said or might get mentioned in the video:
Jedi Survivor has a lightsaber called the cross guard lightsaber, it's bigger and has a cross guard and honestly has one of the cooler lightsaber designs I've seen.
Exar Kun's double-bladed lightsaber is supposed to be a one-off, so it's understandable that others haven't been able to replicate it. Maul's lightsaber is literally two lightsabers welded together.
and it has four crystals, most sabers used 1 crystal but if you wanted a more versatile weapon, say one you plan to use in a double sided bo staff style saber, you use a second crystal wich allows more precise control over the blade length, size and strength among other thigs
Exar Kun was pretty much one of the chosen like Jedi hoped Anakin to be, basically a cheating Gary Stu as far as average force users are concerned. Maybe he just had superior connection to the force that allowed him to find better grade of crystals and tune them better, maybe he simply wanted a double bladed saber and the force went "yes bwana, altering laws of physics to make double bladed saber possible right away sir!". Kun could also have found an ancient Sith technique that he used and then hid or destroyed the record of, as Sith were not in habit of sharing knowledge.
@@AnalystPrimeFrom what I can recall, he actually used other Sith texts to figure out how to make that blade.
@@ca_kay Want to bet the Sith who wrote those didn't include all their best techniques?
Jedi might focus too much on navelgazing but Sith teachings seem to aim specifically for being able to tell their student "I taught you everything you know, but not everything I know!".
My understanding of lightsaber physics is that they have a weird "gyroscopic" inertia created by the plasma and containment field that limited their physical mobility. With a longer blade, that inertia becomes exponentially more problematic to deal with, and while a double-bladed saber like Maul's was more balanced, it still took much more strength to swing.
This seems to be not only old, deprecated, non-canon lore, but also conflicts with some other old non-canon lore I see people talking about here, so we do all have to bear in mind that Star Wars is VERY soft "sci-fi" (Space Opera really), and writers are loath to mess with the status quo, and when they do it inevitably produces lore contradictions.
I remember that, too. I think on an old Making of Episode 4 vhs, they talked about swinging the lightsabers as if they were heavy, like 60 lbs, due to that gyroscopic plasma field.
Then they realized for the next movies that faster lightsaber battles were more exciting, so they did away with the weight.
I remember part in the canon that the Kyber Crystal was also a limit to the size of it. It became too unstable and hard to control if too big. Lightsabers required the force to wield and wouldn't operate for anyone not in control of the force. The larger the weapon, the more control it took as well.
In the EU Corran Horn had a lightsaber with two crystals, a silver blade that was normal lenghth, and a purple blade that i believe was 2 or 3 times the length of a normal blade. He used it to spear a Yuuzhan Vong through the eye socket in one of the New Jedi Order books
In Star Wars Rebels, one of Ezra’s first training sessions with Kanaan, he shows him how to adjust the height. It’s also worth noting that the Death Star had a near limitless range with the the laser, and it was powered by kyber Crystals. I believe it’s reasonable to assume that you could make a light saber 10ft if you wanted to. 2:25 time stamp
Okay... only one criticism to Tyrinth. (I hope I spelled your name correctly. I'm sure I didn't) You said, when talking about bigger swords, "... and maybe they are harder to make as well." The lightsaber is, even by fantasy standards, probably the hardest personal weapon to make. In Star Wars lore it requires months of preparation to imbue the crystal with the Jedi's own force power. Plus the actual construction is complicated and rarely known outside the Jedi or Sith. So I imagine the lightsaber will continue to be rare and a daunting task to create.
Maybe in the new lore, but in legends they were just regular weapons with a power source and a crystal. It didn't involve the force, so in theory anyone could make one with the proper parts. It didn't even need to be a kyber crystal, a synthetic one worked just as well.
If I remember correctly, in legends, in the final phase of construction, the Jedi would go into a meditative state, and using the force would align the crystal inside the lightsaber perfectly. Otherwise if it wasn't perfectly aligned, the lightsaber would explode on activation. In one of the legends novels, after Luke's first fight with Vader where he loses his father's lightsaber, he builds his first lightsaber. It shows basically what I described with him wondering if it's gonna detonate when he turns it on after completing it.
@nathanmartinez7823 If that's true, the existence of droids and tech means you still wouldn't need the force. Machines would be just as capable of aligning the crystal. That said, this is the first I've heard of that, so I'll need to check it out. By any chance, do you remember where you read that?
To add on, in legends, while the Jedi didn't imbue their force into the lightsaber, you couldn't just slap one together without it killing you when you turned it on. Hence it took a force user who was attuned enough to the force to perfectly construct it.
DAYS to imbue the crystal, not months. Darth Maul needed 4 days of non-stop meditation to create and imbue the 4 synthetic crystals in his double-bladed lightsaber.
Months to construct the entire lightsaber, not just to get all the parts, but to machine them, modify them, etc.
Oh boy, time to get nerdy
I think the most obvious explaination with the Lightsabers length is a more historical one.
For a very long time in the Republic era there was basically very little Lightsaber to Lightsaber combat apart from the training among the Jedi themselves. In later eras it was also far more likely to encounter opponents with Blasters rather than Lightsabers.
Blocking incoming fire from Blasters was simply way more common and there was no real reach advantage in these kind of situations by having a longer blade. A shorter blade might actually be more useful here because you dont have to worry about accidently cutting other stuff around you while quickly swinging to stop a Blasterbolt.
And with the blade profile: First of it has probably somthing to do with tradition of the Jedi and diversions from the norm were not well recieved from the Jedi (you can see that with count Dookus Lightsabers curved hilt)
And secondly, the Darksaber is a huge outlier in many regards, due to its special Cristal inside it and its (for the Jedi) really unusual Design. For example the blade (although its material should be) is not weightless to the user and it seems to also have some sort of inherent cutting direction preference, wich might have dictated/influenced the shape of the blade. When the user tries to wield it differently and without the proper willpower and concentration it almost seems to have some gyroscopic effect (as seen in the Mandalorian). The Lightsaber is after all not just a simple tool, but the cristal inside is on some level alive and connects to the user via the force.
Simple practical explanation is that you need to be able to use it inside of a spaceship.
Don't want to breach the hull by accident.
This was a super fun video, love the content, Shad!
Big Lightsaber slows you down, having to wind up etc. They are 1-hit anyways so being able to quickly change direction and react faster is a must
When you get parried, it takes longer to pull a longer sword back and strike again.
The best lightsaber attack is so rarely used... Poke.
longer handle?
Lightsaber fights are based off of KENDO with BAMBOO STICKS so no they aren't heavy smh
@@MaxRamos8 no one said that they are heavy
In the expanded universe there are several instances of people using unusual length lightsabers or various other kinds. There are lightsaber pikes, with extremely long handles and shorter blades, effectively a lightsaber spear, there are lightsaber clubs, wielded by the few jedi of large enough species to use them, and various jedi and especially sith who alter the length of their blades in mid-battle to confuse opponents. There are also various blade widths that come from the type and size of focusing crystals. Some are known to produce larger blades or more unstable blades, or are more heavily attuned to the light or dark side of the force, etc. The main reason for there being a roughly standard length is simply training. Most Jedi and Sith will stick to a single length because it fits what they've grown used to with lightsaber training.
Something I don't understand is why *no jedi **_ever_* carried a ray shield, and the only way to survive any lightsaber fight was with blindingly fast reflexes and making zero mistakes!
For Christ's sake, they had ray shields in the Phantom Menace - used by gungans of all things!
I mean, being force adept enhances their perception and reaction. It why they can't deflect blast bolts back at the shooter.
Because most of the time Force sensitive usually have both hands either occupied or one hand free so they can use the more physical force abilities such as Force Push or Force Lightning.
Same reason why they stopped wearing armors. Ruusan Reformation i guess
Remember that Jedi are not soldiers and fighting is not their primary function. They usually do not wear armour and don't carry any weapons other than their lightsaber. Violence is supposed to be a last resort for them.
There were blade length adjustment knobs on Anakin/Vader’s lightsaber, and was apparently something of a common feature to have. I also remember reading somewhere about the size of the blade increasing, not just in length, but width, through some kind of expansion of the field that is generating the blade. This required more power and drained the battery quickly, so it wasn’t used often. The Darksaber, as it is shaped, isn’t a lightsaber, it’s a vibrosword with a beskar hilt, however, since Disney has taken over, the way things classically should and shouldn’t be done has been thrown out the window, and suddenly there’s a black-bladed lightsaber with a blade that isn’t round like what a magnetic field would produce, and you get the other questions that were asked in your video. Classically beskar caused lightsabers to turn off, so the Darksaber couldn’t be a lightsaber because it would continuously be powered off by its own guard. The armor the Mandolorians wear would make them virtually immune to lightsabers, and very deadly opponents to Jedi and Sith. Disney has since modified this to where beskar is just hardy enough to “repel” lightsaber strikes and blaster bolts, “fixing” an error that they made for themselves by not following the original rules and cannon in the first place. Go figure, it’s Disney. They’ve messed everything else up, why not this?
canonically the blade of a lightsaber has a ton of gyroscopic inertia
Dooku had an adjustable blade that he would use to catch his opponents off guard by extending it when the opponent thinks they're out of range.
Pong Krell had specialized loghtsabers to cover his entire body because he is one tall and beef SoB.
The single blade, long sword style, in the Jedi games does the same thing with the stab special move. The Saber will stretch out a more to extend the stab range.
"no downsides"
SW takes place where space flight is old hat. With LOTS of action happening in buildings(with more than one planet like Coruscant, where the entire planet is a city) and on spaceships, where tight corridors is the norm.
If your weapon is too long, trying to fight within a corridor-like space and inside buildings becomes a magnitude more difficult.
And 2nd, barely any weight and inertia means that the longer blades you have, well, becomes an accident begging to happen.
And as someone else already mentioned, once you go above a certain length, the normal, "small" magnetic field is no longer enough, it doesn't work beyond that length, and the next bigger type of magnetic field, requires drastically more power to function, you would basically need a small to mediumsized backpack to power it.
And as a corrolary to that, blade profile is ALSO limited by the technical limits of the magnetic field. Making a non-cylindrical blade just isn't worth the effort as it draws more power without actually being capable of doing anything better. Because no, a flat blade is not more capable.
"energy available to make it longer","if you have enough energy for that, you have enough for a little longer"
No. If a blade length X draws Y energy, 2 blades that together makes 2X length still only draws 2Y energy. But to make a SINGLE blade that is 2X length, you're looking at something like 100Y, maybe 1000Y, because you have to use a completely different version of the projection technology.
And that's before looking at the fact that the tech making the containment field supposedly jumps up in size and weight a LOT as well.
Essentially, you want 10cm extra blade? You're probably looking at something like 10 times bigger and heavier handle, with less than 5% as long batterytime.
"adjusting the length of the blade"
Considering there's a whole art of learning how to fight with switching the blade on/off during combat, but NOTHING about adjusting the length of the blade, obviously, there's a blatant limitation to that, most likely in how quickly it can be done.
Corran Horn's saber was adjustable up to twice length. I don't recall anyone ever mentioning he needed a giant hilt for the power consumption, though I could be wrong.
@@matohibiki I think it was one of those times of "this guy can do this, but noone else can replicate it".
There's a fair amount of that in the SW-verse due to all the authors involved over time.
Still, there was that about it burning out right away, that would definitely support a serious power issue.
@@DIREWOLFx75 T'wasn't. It was one kind of dual-phase lightsaber, and it wasn't unique. Hit up wookieepedia, you can check out all the various appearances in the series.
@@matohibiki I know duals are not unique.
I was referring to being unique in regards to maximum blade length.
@@matohibikiand Corran rarely used it, as another said and IIRC, because it drained the power cells. He had a longer handle but it was more for the dual phase mechanism and not batteries. The few times he used it he'd twist the handle for a quick stab or slash, then twist it back or shut it off.
IIRC, Vader actually uses turning it off and on in the last duel with Luke, but he doesn't use it to bypass guards he instead does it to like show off how he doesn't need to keep it constantly on to effectively defend himself from Luke, like a flex.
On the darksaber conversation.. on regular lightsaber, add adjustment for cylindrical blade thickness. Go thin for cutting power, go thick for deflecting ability.
Remember that High Republic had one girl stab into a tree and somehow ride it down. It’s not like they understand how lightsabers work.
They do that same thing in Jedi: Fallen Order
You mean like the “ride your knife down a sail” trick in “Pirates of the Caribbean”?
I personally think it’s a reasonable analogy. Why don’t you?
Welllllllll.... to be fair... Luke did something similar in legends but if I remember correctly, he shoved one hand into the cut and held his blade underneath making a vertical cut then after a few meters he changed his cut sideways to stop his fall. The key thing was the blade effortlessly cut thru the wall he was sliding down.
@@markfergerson2145That’s the idea, but I don’t think it’d work for the same reason it wouldn’t work with a blowtorch.
the question would be how strong is the magnetic field, and how does it interact with the surface in question
Because if you can have magnetic levitation, surely under SOME circumstance, you could use a magnetic forcefield (intended to hold in a bunch of plasma) to support yourself by hanging from it or digging it into something..
Guys, they adjust the length in the very first duel. Both Obi-Wan and Vaders saber shrink to effectively disengage from their opponent. The idea was mostly lost in the prequels because it didn't fit with a more active style that they were using
how'd they do that since they were using actual practical prop blades in the first one?
@@KairuHakubi I don't know, but look at the actual movie. At one point, Obi-Wan's saber is barely a spark
Are you sure that's intentional and wasn't just weird editing that was retroactively explained? Because that happens a lot.
That was more of a visual glitch that they explained away by saying lightsabers can change lengths, but it was not the original intention
Thank you! I was afraid I was the only one.
I remember in the old Wizards of the Coast Star Wars RPG there were “dual phase” lightsaber modifications that lets you switch between normal length to a length of 3 meters. Basically became a spear.
"Only imperial Storm troopers are so precise. But, Only during the moment of Order 66. Every other moment doesn't count Luke."
There are larger lightsabers for larger species and Vader adjusted his lightsaber length during the fight with Luke in Empire.
So adjustable length sabers have been a thing in the Star Wars universe for quite a while. One of my favorite examples comes from the old Legends continuity. Jedi Knight Corran Horn (one of the post-Return of the Jedi members of Luke's Jedi order) that has what is known as a Dual-Phase Lightsaber, essentially having two crystals that with the twist of the handle can swap out one for the other. It was built using the twist throttle of a speeder bike as the handle to allow the swapping feature. The saber had two different length blades depending on which crystal was "active", with the main crystal having a normal length blade while the alternate one had double-length blade. During one particular duel against an alien warrior clad in lightsaber-resistant biological armor (long story), Corran realized that his blade was struggling to get through the biological armor and came up with a trick to take the warrior down. He got into a moment during the duel where the two of them were circling each other just out of measure and he had his saber pointed right at the warrior's face in a guard stance before twisting his hilt and swapping the blade. Suddenly the blade was twice as long and pierced straight through the gap in the warrior's face gap on his helmet and killing him instantly. (Funny enough I typed this out before Shad mentioned doing this exact thing at 14:00)
Other examples of different sized lightsabers would be from the game Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight. Two of the Dark Jedi you fight in the game (Gorc and Pic if you want to look them up) are of different sizes compared to regular humanoids, one was tiny and one was far larger. Pic, the tiny one, used a smaller saber similar to what we see Yoda use while Gorc, the massive one, used a "light club" which was a massive lightsaber that produced a blade about as thick as your arm.
As for the Darksaber, it's a problematic addition I've always hated the inclusion of. The original intent of the scene in the Clone Wars where it came from, the Mandalorian warrior using it was supposed to have a Beskad, a sword made out of Beskar that was a common weapon for Mandalorians at the time in the extended universe. George Lucas shot the idea down since it would be visually confusing for kids to see a metal sword stop a lightsaber blade even though the material the Beskad was made out of could do it. So the Beskad became a lightsaber, but to make it stand out and be more unique for a Mandalorian to use it, it was made "sword shaped" and became the Darksaber.
About turning the lightsaber on and off mid combat, there was a lightsaber style that did that. In the lore they said that it was incredibly dificult to master and the jedi forbid it because it was considered too brutal
There is already a lightsaber type that can quickly adjust its size without fiddling with a bunch of knobs its called a dual phase lightsaber
Tl;dr the lightsaber is probably built the way it is because of conflicting needs in combat. It needs to be good at deflecting blaster bolts and dueling, making it compromise. Although there are some genuine upgrades that would make it better (such as Crossguards).
“Why aren’t lightsabers bigger?”
Primarily because they don’t need to be. Lightsabers were a weapon built to counter the abundance of blasters. And in most of its history it was used against blaster wielding opponents. Even during Sith/Jedi wars, lightsaber dueling was still pretty rare and most Jedi/Sith were accompanied by non-force users wielding blasters. Clone Troopers, Separatist Droids, Sith Troopers, Bounty Hunters/Mercenaries, etc.
If a lightsaber was too long you’re more likely to injure allies or civilians around you. And if you’re fighting with other Jedi, it’s more likely your weapons will be entangled.
Imagine trying to parry arrows with a greatsword while your friend is also wielding a greatsword 3 feet from you. It probably won’t end well.
Although they do make overall bigger lightsabers with thicker blades for bigger alien creatures. Called a “Great Lightsaber” or a “Light Club”. Which was most notably used by Pong Krell in canon and Gorc in Legends.
“Why don’t more characters change their blade length mid combat?”
Those kinds of lightsabers are called “dual phase” lightsabers. They would have a mechanism that would switch between different crystals (which would change the length and sometimes even the color in the old old EU) or would focus the energy through a different facet of the same crystal (like in Darth Vader’s lightsaber).
The reason they don’t do it mid combat is probably because fiddling with a nob while you’re fighting someone is a guaranteed way to get killed. There are some characters who are confirmed to have buttons with pre-set lengths (such as Darth Vader) but Shad is right in that it’s never actually used mid-combat. Which is a shame considering that the whole damn point of dual phase lightsabers was to be used in combat.
Plus to get a little meta, “dual phase lightsabers” was introduced as a retcon to explain why lightsabers are different sizes, or would change sizes randomly in say a comic book between panels.
“Why not make lightsabers thinner for dueling/thicker for parrying blaster bolts.”
There were actually crystals called compressed crystals in legends which would allow for a narrow thin blade which was favored by duelists. Afaik they only appear in the first Force Unleashed game as a cosmetic option. Which is a shame because it would make perfect sense for the Sith to use. Especially Rule of Two Sith that were rarely in open combat and were primarily dueling Jedi (like Count Dooku).
Although there is no reason why they can’t use thicker blades, I imagine it’s probably because you’d need a bigger crystal or a larger battery. And the weapon would become unwieldy or at least more difficult to wield.
“Why not have a lightsaber with a normal length handle that emits 2 blades?”
Because it was an ancient Sith lightsaber design that either the Jedi didn’t know about or looked down upon. Exar Kuun uncovered the knowledge, modified his single bladed lightsaber, and used that trick to kill many Jedi. Although he was eventually killed, and the knowledge died with him.
I don’t understand how adding an emitter to the other end of the handle is such an advanced concept that it was “lost to time” (especially since saberstaffs still exist) but apparently it was.
Although there is sort of an exception in canon. Cal Kestis wields basically a “Bastard Sword” lightsaber. A hand a half hilt that can be split into a normal handle length a smaller shoto off hand lightsaber, that is specifically shown to be only powered by a single crystal.
“What’s up with the Darksaber?”
The Darksaber is specifically noted to be created by the only Mandalorian Jedi to ever exist. Perhaps there was some sort of Mandalorian technology and method that caused their lightsaber to be different. The Mandalorians are a warrior culture with an emphasis on weapons. But ultimately I’m just throwing pasta at a wall and seeing if it sticks.
Why does it have an edge? Because it looks cool. That’s it.
The flat side can cut things because the entire blade is a plasma weapon. Plus if only the edge was hot enough then it would drag immensely whenever you tried to cut through something, as the sides would immediately absorb the heat of what you were trying to cut through and cool it down around your blade.
The Darksaber is purely a thing because of “rule of cool” and you aren’t supposed to think about it. The creators of TCW wanted a lightsaber that was a katana and made a half-assed explanation. Which is dumb, and I wish we got an explanation for it.
“Why no Crossguards?”
In both canon and legends it’s known as an “ancient” or “archaic” design, implying the knowledge was either lost to time or for some reason seen as outdated.
Just like with Exar Kuun’s lightsaber, this explanation is just kinda dumb.
“Why not turn it off and on during combat?”
They already do do that. It’s called Trakata. It’s noted to be an exceptionally rare and difficult to learn fighting style that almost no one mastered or even attempted to learn. With the only confirmed master being Darth Traya.
Culturally it was looked down upon by both Jedi and Sith (although it doesn’t make any sense why the Sith look down upon it. Sith are famous for using underhanded or scummy tactics to win). But that’s not the main reason despite what many fans say.
The real reason why it wasn’t used (even Traya. A master of the form almost never used it) was because in lightsaber combat every. Second. Counts. All force users have some level of precognition during combat as well as enhanced speed and reflexes.
Every second without that blade is a second you’re completely defenseless. Because unlike greatswords, there is (almost) no armor that can stop a lightsaber. Meaning when you’re using Trakata you are effectively running the gamble of slicing your opponent in half or getting slice in half yourself if you miss time it. It was a very very dangerous art to use in live combat even for the strongest masters.
I’ve spent way too much money on Ultrasabers lightsabers in the past. I do need an Obi Wan Revenge of the Sith hilt. XD
Mauls light sabre had a ciber crystal for each blade I think the reason they haven’t fond this is due to the limit of the power one ciber crystal can output
There was an old (now “Legends”) novel where Luke’s new Jedi Acadmey novel fell prey to a spirit of a dark Jedi who influenced one of the apprentices to go bad. This elongated lightsaber situation was one of the things he did in his final showdown.
Dual phase lightsabers in the legends books are a thing that you guys would likely love. Such as Corran Horn's which could more than double in length with a specific movement of the hilt. I believe they were introduced in the jedi academy trilogy and I, Jedi.
Vader was able to adjust the length of his lightsaber during his duel against Old Obi-Wan if I remember right.
Speaking of interesting lightsabers, why hasn’t anyone made a “lance-saber”? A lightsaber that basically has a large diameter (that can double as a cross guard) which also has a long length. The trade off would be that it extends from a wide diameter to a smaller diameter which (lore-wise) could be due to the reach of a kyber crystal. Don’t ask me about the hilt… I myself cannot comprehend what would be required to achieve such a feat.
if the blade has an edge alinement and a wider flat of the blade, then use the wider flat of the blade to block any incomeing blasts.
The longer blade would be harder to block blaster shots in quick succession.
Except that's not true at all. It just makes the tip faster with longer blade. The blade still has NO mass.
Why? As long as the blade doesn't slice into any obstacles, the length shouldn't matter, since you can move the portion used for blocking shots at the same speed as before.
Light saber..... all the wieght is in the handle.
Dual-phase lightsabers are a thing. It had multiple crystals that the user could switch between standard length and twice as long. Typically, they were frowned upon as too aggressive and could lead the user to the dark side. Mostly they have been seen in Legends, but Count Dooku used one, as did Darth Vader.
Turning off your lightsaber to get past someone's defenses was also a thing. Corran Horn did just that while dueling the Yuuzhan Vong Shedao Shai.
Turning off your saber to bypass defenses is an excellent method to produce two corpses.
On PS1 there was a game, Jedi Power Battle, where ajusting Lightsaber size was possible (even thickness in fact, round or sharp, even without dark saber, Anakin/luke Lightsaber in episode IV is blade shaped.). And in movies/show, Yoda's Lightsaber is shorter, and Ahsoka have also a shorter lightsaber on her secondary hand.
Knights of the Old Republic game had offhand lightsabers that were slightly shorter. Jedi survivor had two-handed variant and his lightsaber actually adjust length when changing fighting styles.
The EU explanation is that "dual-phase" lightsabers require multiple crystals to get their longer length (two crystals to double length to 3 meters). Those are rare and precious enough items (even the raw materials and machinery needed for artificial crystals are costly) adding more of them isn't worth it. I'd also assume that you're going to increase the overall length to fit extra crystals inside the saber. Double bladed sabers also need an extra crystal.
i feel like if they googled long lightsaber blades before making this, they wouldn't have put (ever) in the video title.
No on the longer length for the handle Corran Horn who had a Dual Phase saber had his specifically as a Speeder Bike handle. Exar Kun had both a Dual Phase and a Dual Blade Lightsaber and it was the size of a normal hilt specifically to prevent people from noticing and thus catching them off guard which the misdirect was a large part of his lightsaber fighting style.
No you dont need to have a longer handle but you do need to make the hilts inner parts more complicated increasing the points of failure which Corran found out by a faulty crystal.
@@revanninja Corran chose his handle for disguise and material availability reasons. It doesn't really tell us how long the handle is (bikes have all sorts of handle lengths), other than probably longer than his hand.
@@kanrakucheese It wasnt for disguise purposes though he did use it for that after the Hutt roast. No he choose it because it was the resources he had on hand while keeping a low profile.
As for it he doesnt ever describe it as super long or anything like that. He never compares the hilt length as being too long or short and Corran has used his grandfather's lightsaber which was as basic as you can get just a tube with a recessed button plus he fights several other lightsaber users and never comments.
Thus its resonable to say his Lightsaber hilt is a fairly normal length and not longer or anything like that.
And it further runs into Issue as the most complicated Lightsaber Exar Kun's which was Dual Blade and both were Dual Phased inside a normal single blade hilt length and that IS Directly commented on for the hilt length.
You dont need to make the hilt longer for a Dual Phase or a Dual Blade just more complicated.
The European Union explanation?
Darth Vader's lightsaber did actually have the ability to extend the blade if I remember right. That's why it would appear as longer in screenshots from Empire Strikes Back.
I'd be inclined to assume that it was originally just a mistake, and that was canonized later to make it make sense.
@@vision4860Watch the duel with Obi Wan. The original. He uses the shrinking function effectively like a disengage
@@Benjamin1986980again, a mistake. Explained later in a way that makes sense
Besides the length/width adjustment knobs in regular Lightsabers there was thing called a "Lightclub" that basically was a longer Lightsaber that bigger races used (like the Shoto for smaller races like Yoda), but that was in the original EU now Legends. Jedi didn't kill unless necessary (unavoidable), having a blade that long would facilitate accidental kills, now a Sith would absolutely abuse that and Darth Vader did use his Lightsaber on max length settings.
I can only think about two cases where lightsabers were longer in the old cannon. The "Light Club" was a standard lightsaber built for much larger species, bigger crystal bigger power cell, etc. The other is when a blade could double in length, but those often required the weapon to have two crystals.
There was mention of lightsaber blade lengths being adjustable in an episode of Star Wars Rebels. Also, I believe that a book mentioned it as well, but I don't remember for sure.
Closest to this to ever happen comes from No More Heroes 2 where the protagonist gets a longer beam katana. Unfortunately, it's treated as a heavy, slow-moving sword despite it being a lightsaber twice the length of a normal one. Though, the game also has dual beam katanas with one being the size of a wakizashi.
Edit: Alright, I didn't know of the comics, but I meant seeing the lightsabers (or beam katanas) in use. My bad.
I was just thinking of that! it was fun using different saber styles.
Lightsaber adjustments was actually shown in episode 4, Vader adjusts his saber when facing Kenobi. The visuals at the time didn’t show it very well but you can clearly see him making the adjustments before the first clash
If it hasn't been done, it usually has a reason. This could be anything from "The beam becomes more erratic and begins to break up", to "The size needs to be a harmonic of a certain wavelength."
I think there's actively extendable lightsabers in some of the books, but they fall out of favor or are lost to time by the time of the movies.
Ahh good ol' ,,elegant weapon for a more civilized age", 👌🏻😌✨✨✨
I do remember reading something about the reason people can't use light sabers very easily is because there's a sort of resistsnce similar to centrifugal force and the energy being generated actually has a repulsion effect which requires a lot of strength to move or cut through objects. All this in mind if you have the Force to aid your movement you can use it more effectively. Now with length you have a lot more centrifugal force and this requires far more strength or force use to move fast enough to be practical.
Imagine a jedi running around with a 3m lightsaber, slicing the hull of the spaceship...
Size, my good men, can in fact matter.
Shad. I know you want the lightsaber to be a true laser sword. I feel like your two major points could be solved by giving the saber a "thickener" dial and a "enlongenator" button. That gets rid of the narrow blade profile argument and length problem.
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I like the concept of a lightsaber with a fixed and adjustable length modes. The lightsaber always defaults to fixed length when turned on and has a additional switch to alternate between the two.
Double bladed lightsabers vary in maul's case it was basically two lightsabers permanently joined together and huntress's case. She had two lightsabers that could clip together to form a double blade and in some cases it's one lightsaber that can be ignited from both ends. But like you can't ignite both ends at the same time. So you just switch from one side to the other
I do believe that the blade has weight since they are used like true swords instead of flashlights
The original idea was that the blade had weight comparable to a normal sword. Later iirc they said that the blade has no weight. However, the more logical solution may be that they have *some* weight, just very little, especially compared to normal blades.
(And this is all ignoring the strange weight mechanics of the Darksaber since that's an outlier.)
That's more a limitation of filmmaking. You can't have a sturdy rod that weighs nearly nothing. The rods they had in the OT still broke a lot.
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In the extended universe books, there is a series that focuses on Han and Leia's twins studying with Luke to be Jedi along with other teens. One time when Jayden is sparing with another girl, she goes to block his attack but her saber fails and shuts down mid-swing cause Jayden to slice her arm off near the elbow. I'm pretty sure that is why they don't turn the sabers on and off mid-battle, risk outweighs the reward.
_"I see your schwartz is as big as mine"_
I scrolled & scrolled, but couldn't find the requisite SpaceBalls quote. So, there you go.
May the Force be with you.
I own a ‘longsword’ (or hand a half) length lightsaber as my own custom saber, which I prefer to use in something that mixes Form I and longsword style.
Or I did when I practiced a lot, anyway .
:-)
However, as far as reasons why they’re not made that length as standard, or why people don’t use light-pole arms. Moving aside rule of cool, I’m going to suggest that there’s a limit to the maximum blade length before the energy field generated by the crystal is unable to form.
A game where you can "change" the length of your lightsaber is un Jedi Survivor, when changing the stance to a double handed with crossguard the blade extends a bit further compared to the single handed stances
I just wish Star Wars was good still
Why don't they make more swords like the Darksaber with edge alignment etc... because Jedi are a bunch of prudish traditionalists who don't like change.
The codes and treaties of lightsaber combat are adhered too as doctrine, forbidden knowledge is sealed away, the Darksaber was one such forbidden item.
What you guys are talking about is the *"Dule Faze Function."* It's a function that dictates how long a light sabers blade is, notable users if I remember correctly were, Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker, Darth Maul, Darth Tyrannos, Voulo Creash. It's a feature most oftenly used by light saber duelist, like said characters mentioned. Force users who dedicated themselves to using Light sabers in combat or sparing.
* swings the Washing Pole-sized lightsaber *
* wipes entire enemy platoon *
Shad, I give you the answer: it would be TOO CONVENIENT for wiping out entire rooms of enemies, worse still because there would be no delay in switching to a defensive stance to deflect laser shots as it has no weight no matter how long the beam is. Collateral damage, on the other hand...
Sorry to burst everyones bubble but lightsabers would be useless against conventional ammunition... try blocking a round only to get showered in molten lead and copper... lmfao...
Imagine protecting your home or even robbing a bank with a lightsaber?!
You can do a ton of stuff like cook and even some sketchy welding 😂
It's good in universe because actual bullets are expensive and energy based weapons are dirt cheap