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- Jalen Rose debates Mina Kimes and Laura Rutledge on why Michael Jordan should be considered the all-time best NBA player over LeBron James.
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Damn... Im not sexist and all but damn. Those ladies need to actually understand the game and play before even pitching in on this debate. “Why did he play baseball?”... 🤦🏻♂️
Pissed me off!! The frickin nerve! Insensitive bitch! She asked why'd he leave basketball!!!
They got the job for being female.
pissed me off to
Jalen aRose looked at her like wtf. Then remembered he was on tv and just answered the question
AverageBrino yeah that was just so sad
Jordan never asked for another superstar and nobody felt like they’ll be traded when they were playing with Jordan
Yep it doesnt matter if lebron plays for 30 seasons and wins 10 rings he will never top Jordan
@@Quack_attack_ What
Jordan asked for Denis Rodman
@@abunemasu1290 After he won 3 titles MJ asked for one player. LeBron asked for 2 Superstars before he could even win he did it twice.
Islamia TV Jordan ask for a rebounder they wanted Jason Williams he said he’d get back with them so the bulls traded for Rodman
*"why did he go play baseball?"*
America, is this the kind of sports reporter/journalist you have? What a waste of air time watching this girl. I'm sorry.
Shes just there for the eye candy, she only knows popular players in the NBA, she probably cant even name Nuggets' starting 5 without saying "that Jokic guy" first
Why she laugh when Jalen said MJ left to deal a personal matter (fathers murder), show respect women
MrKing8050 because it shows she knows nothing about sports. She had no clue his father died.
It’s because they don’t know the reason. Hey should just stick with what they know and that’s not much.
Jalen being attacked by everyone for knowing MJ is the goat reminds me of me of me at school and trust me it feels lonely
@@johnnymartinez762 knowing about sports is know the personal life of the athletes?
That's because she didn't know.
2 kinds of people in this world; those who know MJ is the GOAT, and those who are wrong.
Preach my brutha! Nothing but respect for ya...pure genius!👍💯🔥
How about those who dont understand basketball
Winnie the Pooh
That would fall under the category of Those Who Are Wrong.
Thank u
Kareem
I’m so sorry jalen that they’re making you actually have this discussion with these two 🤦🏿♂️
Eddy Dede facts they look like they started watching ball as soon as they got hired
that white girl need to go play volleyball
He's a married man. So it's good practice lol
Typical bimbos who don’t know jack shit about sports lol
I felt the same way lol. There are some serious women analysts who know ball and would have been plenty worthy to have this convo with. These two however are clearly not it. Fucking clueless
Blondie: "numbers"... ok, here we go:
MJ vs LeBron
This is a silly debate. Clearly Michael is better. It's not even a close one. But let's go to the facts. Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more help
•Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals..
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
All of this accomplished in 13 seasons
Lebron is in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago"
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 STRAIGHT scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan didnt with scrubs on his squad. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP slam dunk title regular season MVP and Defensive Player of The year something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shootimg 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did.
All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career...
And before you criticize me for copy and pasting just know that it doesn’t matter if it’s copied or not, truth is truth.
Montażownia nr1 like mark Jackson says may I have this dance ?
As the great Maximus states in gladiator “ R U ENTERTAINED”😂facts
However, it’s easier to do those things with way better teams.
JR S lebron picks his own rosters
You’re pretty ignorant if you think Jordan didn’t. Jordan also picked his coach. Regardless the bulls teams overall were significantly better then LeBron. They were more like the warriors that we just saw. LeBron Miami teams would have lost in gentlemen sweep to the bulls
How these women got their jobs, I’ll never know 🤦🏻♂️
Nino Bobis take a guess haha
have you guys never watched wrestling before?
that's called a "setup"
jalen now makes television happen by giving the audience what they want.
Women base their judgements on status and popularity -- and what's in right now. Same reason they all obsess over one "current" movie star.
MoneyMo absolutely. Not all but majority.
it's very easy for hot women to get any kind of jobs in this world...if u sexy and hot women u get any jobs, PERIOD!
One 3peated twice.
The other got swept twice.
Go use your advanced analytics.
One never lost in the first round , the other lost three times in the first round , 🤭🤭🤭🤭... Dumb argument ..
One of them won a championship at age 34, the other missed the playoffs.
One never miss the playoffs in his early and prime years while the other one didn't get to the playoffs in his first 2 seasons
One played against garbage teams in each finals he played against, the other went up against some of the greatest teams of all time and beat some of them.
@@enterzync2630 60+ win teams.. yeah that's garbage 😂😂😂
The biggest questions Jalen should answer is....Why are you here?😲
Sorry didn't understand your comment
His abillity to miss FT,and cry and accuse other players for losses,and run from teams when he see that other teams are better is THE BEST EVER. He is GOAT at this.
No clown
So your just going to ignore everything he did against the warriors
@@javathehut3593
Everything?
U mean Kyrie 😂🤣
Growing up in MJ's era, compared to the big boys era, I agree with you. Bron is really the goat in these categories. 😂
That is you lizard useless
Those young girls are PISSING ME OFF! What do you mean “why he played baseball” his father passed away and his father always want him to be a baseball player. So he left the league to do something for his father. That’s what’s up. If he didn’t leave he would won 7-8 fosho
yo they work for ESPN and they dont know that?! OMG thats like being a sailor and not knowing how to swim
Right...His father wanted him to retire after the 1st championship as well.
MJ23 : _I want to win and be the best._
LBJ : _I want to chase MJ23's stats and i am still._
Is that such a bad goal, though?
Johnny Walker
MJ23: I want to win and be the best ever.
LBJ: I want to have the best stats ever. I shall be lazy and not play defense. So be it if I lose more finals than winning them because my fans will always say I have no help even though I have.
@@phillips8566 3-6 is no goat, Billy goat maybe, LeBron James will go down as one of the best ever, just not on Jordan's level, then again who is?
MJ23 : I'm glad I didn't have to play against those warriors. Poor LeBron.
Johnny, you almost made PHILLIP S cry!! hahahaha
The same GM that just signed Melo to get them a finals win? 😂
B Fresh The same GM who successfully almost beat the Warriors while everyone else cowered away.
B Fresh lol exactly
If you can add Melo at the minimum, you do it. Low-risk high reward. You’d be a fool not to.
Daanish Gupta did you say almost lmao
Wayne Grace II chris Paul was hurt n the rockets did go ice cold in the 2nd half n barely lost
When you have to ask why MJ left to play baseball, the debate is done. Advanced metrics? People, please...
Lebron has better stats lol
@Big Chung MJ has better achievements.
And stats? Wanna go deep? MJ has the best player ranking, and the list goes really far, kid.
@@Bungycbnope. Put down the crack pipe. Because you're high af if that's what you think.
he also choked six times when it really counted. Stop it. @@Bungycb
@@mistameff3528 1-9 without pippen
To many female presenters ESPN, they don't have a clue what they talking about.
The young nba fans just to need to search youtube "Jordan bad boy pistons rivalry", how the Isiah Thomas led Pistons punk Jordan in playoffs with hard fouls, which are flagarant fouls now. But Jordan worked on his game with determination, hit the weights, and came back to sweep pistons and didn't go leave for a better team when faced with adversity.
Facts! Jordan faced his demons - looked it square in the eye and slayed his dragon. Lebron ran away from his - took the easy way out and tried to buy chips in Miami. MJ GOAT!!!!!!!
Jalen knows what he's talking about. Ladies you're committing NBA blasphemy.
Jordan's competition was weak in the 90s...jazz, Knicks, and rockets..that's it for the whole league.
@@UFOsAreRealArea51 Dirk Nowitzki with not one all star not one HOFer and a 40 yr old point guard shut down and exposed a supposed GOAT with 2 all stars and a HOFer ohhhh my cant excuse that can we.
@@mudguts6785 jason kidd isnt a hofer? Peja,Barea,Marion,Stevenson,Tyson chandler,corey brewer,jason terry not good role players?
@@imhim3433 against Chris bosh, dwade, bron and ray Allen they ain’t
LBJ will never be on Kobe's level,let alone MJ's...
They trippin for saying that he better then mj but he better then kobe
@@rahtatpierre7611 LBJ is great ,no doubt,but 5>3 so...
@@danititus6150 he ain't finished playing yet. I believe that he'll win this year and he might go back to back. And LeBron lowkey got more fmvp and accolades
Nailed it....don't get me wrong, LBJ is great, but I'd take Kobe over him and I'd take MJ over Kobe
dani titus didn’t Kobe have a prime Shaq in three of those
GOAT respects the game of basketball, Lebron made flopping and travel as a career. Period. MJ, Kobe > lebron.
You can't be serious right?
@@ldrsmjcr3504 hes seriously right
6× NBA champion (Back to Back 3-Peats)
6× NBA Finals MVP
5× NBA Most Valuable Player
14× NBA All-Star
3× NBA All-Star Game MVP
10× All-NBA First Team
All-NBA Second Team
NBA Defensive Player of the Year
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team
NBA Rookie of the Year
NBA All-Rookie First Team
10× NBA scoring champion
3× NBA steals leader
2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion
Michael Jeffery Jordan
Soji SideQuest gud lawd that's alot of accomplishments THE GOAT
And LeBron resume don't come close to that
ipitythefool97 Lebron plays princesses then
Soji SideQuest You can erase all thise all star appearances because those aren’t based on statistics, they are based on likability. Dunk Contests... are you serious.... the only stats that matter are individual stats... Wilt STILL owns 71... mikes not even remotely close. When you argue the best, you can’t factor team accomplishments, only individual... Mikes not the best individual stats or team stats...
King Eric Neither is Lebron
Laura Rutledge knows nothing! She was 5 years old when MJ won his first title! Mina Kimes was 7 years old!!
When Rutledge asked - "Why did Jordan go and play baseball?" that's when it was completely clear that she does not have a clue what she is talking about!
If you asked former players and true fans of the game, which player would they least like to see their team face in a battle for the title - the answer would be MJ.
jakkeday1 I love the NBA but they’ve become very annoying with how they’ve included these women talking about it who clearly don’t give a fuck. If she cared as much as she should then she should know that MJ’s dad got murdered and he wanted to try baseball. Playing with minor leaguers and seeing their love of the game reminded him how much he felt the same about basketball.
Dude im 7 yrs old when mj got his first title.
I grew up watchin' him play. My father have videos of his documentaries and highlights . I played backyard basketball with my older brothers because of mj. I know his story. I'm still an nba fan, watch the game every now and then but not like in the 90's when i will wake up early in the morning to watch mj play with my dad.
I guess what im sayin' is those 2 girls just dont know what they are talking about or not a basketball fan. They sound and look so dumb to me esp when they say lebron is better than mj.Im a girl and not even an american but i can give you mj stats and reasons why he is all time great. They just need to put someone in there who dont talk to look pretty and for the love of every one holly someone who's not spewing rubbish.
Nick Canor yeah I might have sounded insensitive when I said women. They need to get rid of all these people who don’t know the history of the game. But there are obviously women who know their stuff like Rachel Nichols, Jackie Macmullen, Jemele Hill, Michelle Beadle, Doris Burke, Kristen Ledlow. But the blonde on here was beyond annoying and I would say the same for any guy making the same points she was making. Nick Wright on FS1 is even dumber when it comes to NBA. He just recites stats and doesn’t even watch the game.
And yet just the following year he doesn't even make the playoffs. 🤦
Darryl Morey can shut up until he wins something
Can we get these girls outta there ASAP please??!
No knowledge on the subject at all.
#HUSH
yes it was painful listening to them
Yea i don’t understand how they even got there jobs. It’s not even a close debate who the GOAT is. I mean come on ladies. Jordan will always be the GOAT.
MJ, Bird, Kareem, Magic, Russell, Kobe, just to name a few ahead of Lebron. Not in any particular order. and there are so many more in the conversation
Kerry Bickham I would also include Duncan ahead of Lebron. Lebron got swept by a Duncan led spurs team in 2007. Then when Duncan was out of his prime, Lebron struggled to win in 7 and lost by a record margin in 5.
All of them, but not Kobe
definitely Duncan
Gotta throw wilt and Shaq in there too
Bingo
The league was savage back then. Can you imagine the #'s they would put up in today's league.
She has the balls to ask: Why Michael Jordan went to play baseball? Are you serious?
And that's what pissed me off!!! No class!!
Come on if lebron did that for the same reason, he would have been criticized as a quiter... By the way Jordan lost in the 95 playoffs
@@christiancramp9192 wow solid argument. mike lost his dad to a murder, and he wanted to fulfill their shared ambition of baseball. he came back mid season. but his next 3 full season was never swept in the finals, instead he ended all before game 7.
@@zescapegoat all in saying is if Lebron did the same thing he would be criticized not praised. Lebron gets more heat for everything he does... more than any other athlete.
@@christiancramp9192 that's not what u said. u were comparing if lebron left n played baseball, he would get criticized more. Well if his mum/dad passed away ppl wont be so brutal to criticize him. and you brought up 95 playoffs.
Jalen: "Ohh you millennials......"
As a 36 year old man from Detroit remember sitting on floor 89 90 watching Pistons win Championship knocking MJ out on the way then to see him come back dominate league on way to 3 rings leave 2 years come back 3 more rings be the best offense and defense 2 guard the whole time play hurt sick and dominate the strongest era of NBA so far this LBJ shit starting to piss me off. Jordan GOAT no contest
Anthony Gordon you got pissed coz u know the argument is really an argument!
Anthony Gordon strongest era? Name a 5 players that could guard giannis in that era
@@kevinmoney9233
The Dream, Dennis, Scottie, Charles Oakley, PJ Brown, Anthony Mason, Horace Grant, Buck Williams, McKey, Larry Nance, David Robinson, Michael Jordan, etc...
LeBron can't even hit clutch free throws. That's basic Clutch 101. The debate should end there and not even go beyond to where only NBA assassins roam.
Dr. Know ctfu Ewing no Dennis no Scottie no dream no Micheal Jordan Fuck no
Only people who never seen Jordan play day theses things. LeBron has zero killer instinct, fouls were fouls back then, and Jordan played defense.
Exactly. Michael Jordan was a true competitor when he played in the NBA. He would do whatever it took to win. Lebron visibly gives up during playoff games. It is ridiculous that some people will ignore these facts to push this agenda of Lebron being the GOAT.
Killer instinct does not make you the GOAT
@@TemoPlaysOfficial What are the criteria?
@@whoisfish it's hard but the accolades are indeed accolades etc etc. But when were talking about the best *player* it's LeBron. He dos more on the basketball court than Jordan
@@TemoPlaysOfficial I believe you need to layout the criteria before claiming Lebron is the best player of all time. Is it scoring titles? Defensive player of the year awards? Championships won? Stats in the final 5 minutes of a game? etc...
She said “it’s not controversial, LeBron is the best ever”
Jalen almost walks off then he gives her the factual facts
I actually think the advanced metrics support the argument of MJ being the greatest ever. But whatever.
Jordan's teammates were great, but I believe it was Jordan who uplifted his team to another level, that in my opinion made/make him the greatest.
Jordan’s teammates were excellent role players but he didn’t have one player helping him with scoring as talented as Wade, Kyrie, Bosh, or Love.
Scottie was a good facilitator. Not great just good. He was an all time great defender. But MJ carried the scoring load every night and there were many games where he had to also assist the ball.
They had no choice you had to live up to Jordan level of competitiveness or he would run them out of town he wasn’t bullshiting at practice either they knew if Mike was going hard in practice they had to cause he wasn’t playing around which made them better players because one thing MJ hated was losing
@@omieg89 why did the bulls only lose 2 more games when Jordan retired the first time? Quit acting like Jordan was the only reason the 90s bull were great. He got a great team at a perfect time for him to reach his peak in basketball... Jordan fans are toxic for the game.
@@spoonu9 shut up dude you don't know shit about basketball just like that girl
jerad potter, what did the bulls win in MJ absence?? another SHIP?? NO Did they even get to the SHIP??? NO So please tell us young dumb millennial who was the reason the Bulls became a dynasty?? blind witness Bron fans like you are whats toxic for the game. you lift up a 3-6 fraud as the best ever? lol You do know the reason the heat lost to Dirk and the miracles, is becuz your hero failed to show up and play like the best player in the world right? You know nothing about the MJ era so speak what you know youngster. And thats not much of anything.
The only reason this is a topic is because the nba still NEEDS Michael Jordan. The fact that she had to ask why MJ left hoops for baseball proves she's Not qualified to sit on that or Any show! Jalen couldn't really give it to her cuz she's a girl... Imagine if a dude said that to Jalen! She should be ashamed and embarrassed.
I don't know her but I laughed and knew she was stupid from the beginning. But at the end, I fuckin hated her for what she said and kicking out that smile.
@@izell9464 Michael had a gambling problem and was put aside by David Stern, the nba comissioner. That was the real reason why he left the league
@@andreadg5429 i dont understand why people still dont know this
Why is that question even relevant?
Jalen already schooled Jayson Williams.. These 2 millenial girls don't know anything about basketball. Go cover the WNBA.
It’s all different eras
1980s/ Larry Bird, etc
1990s/ Micheal Jordan
2000’s/ Kobe Bryant
2010’s/ LeBron James
Shaq is better than Kobe.
Everytime i have to hear this Argument My blood pressure goes up and I need my asthma inhaler for asthma i dont have.
MJ is TBE.
people that actually watched BOTH players say jordan was better. the only people that think lebron is better are millennials
ZombieZifiction false I'm 41 he's definitely better.
Namebrandjones And who's your favorite team? I honestly doubt you watched ball in the 90s.
Isiah Thomas thinks so? Pippen thinks so too until he started getting hate lmao
Kev3004 you right even Isiah Thomas, colin herd, jamie Foxx, alot people in the media & celebrities that's in their 40's & I Know alot of people that think he's the goat like myself. Not to mention even if u think he's not the goat he's going play 5-8 more yrs lmao this definitely want be a argument by the time he retires.
Celtics Fan Since August 23, 2017 KySexual #11 I'm a Detroit fan, now I didn't watch cause I said LeBron was the goat dude get a life, if you really think people who watched Jordan play don't think LeBron better you're out of your mind. It's ok for Jordan to be your goat. All I'm saying is LeBron my goat Jordan was the goat. But let's be honest if LeBron was on those bulls team they have 12 championships. Stats say he's the goat, I say he's the goat. An the GM that seen Jordan play says hes the goat lmao stop with the hate.
If you even have to ask why Michael Jordan went to play baseball, you do not deserve to have any say so in who is the best of all time or the goat arguments or debates point blank period
Exactly!
It was such an irrelevant question.
Thank you Jalen Rose. If Jordan hadn't retired, he would have won 8 in a row. Jordan was that great!
Don’t mean to burst your bubble but he would not have won that title in “95. He was on the team in “95. The magic beat them 4-3 in a playoff series.
@@avs5839 yeah after not playing basket ball for 3 years. I hated Jordan, always rooted against him but hands down he is the 🐐
LeBum is not even top 5 all time.
Tim Duncan has 5 rings , never had to switch teams or recruit all stars to win them
"Why did he go play baseball?"
This is me checking out.
because his dad died and the sport he wanted him to play was baseball
Rose with the reality check.
Do you even watch basketball? And not just the nba finals
Does anyone know where I can see this whole clip??
The sad thing is is that when you look at advanced analytics they show that MJ was actually a better player than lebron on offence, the stats they are talking about are just box stats like pts reb ast. But advanced metrics say my was better on offence, and it’s not close on defence anyone who has watched lebron play Defense knows that. You don’t even need to bring up the 6 to 3 rings thing when statistically MJ was just a better player
He’s better just from my eye test lol
@@EE-ie9gm wilt the goat
Why is jordan better on offense, what stat did you get that from?
uh, no. Lebron beats MJ in advance analytics in efficiency for both 2 and 3 pointers, in rebounds and assists. When you add Lebrons assists and his points together, he brings more total points than MJ EVER did. You dont know what you are talking about.
@@rafaelmendez8588 What about player efficiency rating ? How about defensive rating ? How about defensive box plus minus ?
Jalen Rose Bodied this segment. Now 80% of the comment section will call him a Lebron hater.
Jonathan Liddell
Everyone already knew he was a LeBron hater from like a year or 2 ago.
Jonathan liddell- STRAIGHT FACTS. people just don't seem to understand the points Jalen is making. Its quite vexing to listen to people pump up LBJ so much over MJ. Two different leagues...two different players...but if if had to pick one...it'd def be MJ. dude was a stone cold killer.. the best two way player..undefeated in the finals...never jumped ship.. TWO 3 PEATS?! C'mon Son! why is this still a debate.
Tenacious Zen a stone cold killer that couldn't make it out the 1st round
We need more Jalen Roses 🌹
Jordan much better defender and better scorer too. Check how MJ career average is still higher than lebrons even tho he played at almost 40 yrs old
Poor youngsters only saw MJ’s highlight reels. I remember watching game 6 against Jazz. He was so different and it stayed with me. LeBron is amazing, but not like that.
Daryl Morey is 45 years old wtf
Yea that push off anybody else offensive foul
Saw both, Lebron's better.
saw both too and MJ is so far ahead.
IMO LBJ is great, the most verstatile player of the game, his longevity at the top is amazing but not the GOAT.
it's not about 6/6 vs 3/9 rings but about win.
MJ never disappeared even when Pistons kicked his ass, he always carried his team ON BOTH sides of the court all of his career. Watch the games kids.
LeBron did it in 2011 (FACT), he did it in last finals (specially in G1 OT - FACT) and in 2017 too. We can discuss about rosters, but in 2007 and in 2018, he should had done what AI done against '01 Lakers, took at least ONE game on his own.
BTW Lebron was at his peak on both sides of the court when he was at Miami. Since 3 years, he's what i expected from him on attack, but on defense, he's not really a good defender .
@@MakingMovesMajor LeBrons overrated. Next!
The man that couldn’t guard Jason terry ? Cmon man
We love the production crew in the backs reaction. It really shows others can emotion on a topic other than the desk crew.
You can't say LeBron dominated an era😂 he only has 3
K Will well bc lebron wasted half his career on a bad team. Kobe lakers lost to the no all star pistons and Boston which bron beat both on a less talented team. Kobe’s lakers would get molly whopped by these warriors that argument is trash.
DaLegendCj Always was in the top 5 in scoring
Always was an mvp candidate
No one can literally guard him despite people saying when he loses his athleticism he’d be nothing
Adds to his game every year
Stars defer to him when playing with him
Has been the best player since 2009 so basically a decade
Avg like 31+ points in the postseason
No HOF coach
Has one of the weakest bench and the only reason they were top 10 this year is cuz Lebron didn’t sit down for 82 games.
Role players can’t hit open shots, completely Lebrons fault he only has 3 when he’s been the best player in the playoffs not just the finals but PLAYOFFS since 2012.
Malik Fortune a weak eastern conference its garbage
K Will lol Kobe was also Drafted 7 years BEFORE LeBron....
kobe lost in 08 to celtics that same team lebron toook to 7 games if lebron had one other all star from 07 to 10 kobe would not have those two rings
This is exactly why women get a bad name in the sports media industry and why really no one takes what most of them have to say seriously.
Do you think blondie here has ever watched a full game of MJ's in its entirety? Doubtful. She probably hasn't even watched much of LeBron. And the other one, saying advanced metrics support LeBron's case?? Where is she looking? Because almost every single metric used today favors MJ in every category. And spare me the metrics talk anyway because the only people who care about that are the people who don't want to face the fact that LeBron is 3-6 in the NBA Finals and couldn't even take his Cavs teams that had the best record in the NBA TWO YEARS IN A ROW to the Finals.
LeBron had to team up with the second best player in his conference and another all-star to ever accomplish anything significant. And for those of you acting like Pippen was the second coming of MJ, if you read any literature on MJ's career you will realize that MJ almost single handedly created the machine Pippen became. Who has LeBron created? Every player he has ever played with has stayed the exact same player and disappears after LBJ inevitably leaves. MJ won championships with a bunch of white boy bench warmers and was able to do that because his assassin-like approach to the game bled into the rest of the roster.
This isn't a debate, not by anyone who actually knows the game of basketball. This bantering is just what the media uses for sound bytes because they're too lazy to think of original ideas. If you think LeBron is the GOAT, you are an idiot, and you need to spend a lot more time watching basketball pre-2000 era and less time touching yourself to LeBron highlights.
Very well said, Real Talk!
Best explanation I read in a while... very well said!
Preach!!!!
100%
You talk too much. Lemme rephrase your dissertation. LeBron is better than MJ.
Never send a woman to do a mans job. 🤦♂️
There are plenty of players better than Lebron James
Raiden The Mortal okay and? It doesn’t matter about that because LeBron James can get on a 19-63 Cavs team and lead them to a 1 seed. It’s the legacy that matters. Players like KD, Steph, and Klay will never have a legacy like Lebron.
Wtf CZcams dude the lakers had same damn record as last season with him and without him nigga made no impact they was the same team 😂😂😂😂
Damn man, does he even surpass kobe? MJ is GOAT
there cant be a single definitive great theres many greats
They need to stop LeBron is not the best NBA player ever...this agenda needs to stop.
Nelly Davis you a bitch
Bro G @ it's show your very ignorant and cannot accept someone's opinion, because you are one of those fools who worship lebron.....Calling someone a bitch is an obvious term you should use for yourself because you are so sensitive like lebron....now go kick rocks you imbecile.
Bro G use some proper grammar please.
Agent Apples shut yo bitchass up
Bro G someone’s mad😂
Ppl like bringing up advanced metrics into their argument to favor the king without showing the numbers. I see many videos online showing those metrics with MJ beating lebron
Jordan abosolutly positively no question this isn't even an argument goat
I hate how people who've never played competitive basketball are having their opinions weigh more than dudes who actually played in the league at the highest level. You gonna take these 2 women and Poindexter of the Houston Rockets who've never played high level basketball or in the NBA word over Jalen rose ? NCAA, and NBA player whose played at high levels and know how it works. You guys wanna throw in all the numbers to make your case if that's all that matters, all these participation medals . Numbers mean shit if they don't result in something and elevate you higher
Jefferson Moore-Bellerande and yet when Isiah gives his opinion he’s jealous? When Clyde gave his opinion he’s jealous? When Oscar gives his opinion he’s old?
Pappy Tron- Right! people always bring up rings! Scottie got 6 too and Robert Horry got 7! Lebron will be Jordan in every category but steals because of no hand checking now. 5 LBJs vs 5 MJs, who wins?
Blackrahk 5 mjs
Pappy Tron bill played in the worse era of basketball. Nba players don’t even call him the goat because they know he played a lot white People stop it
Pappy Tron an I am not sure why you being up this people who avg 7 points. They are talking about superstar players
Im gonna listen to someone who actually played against both players. I think Jalen knows what he’s talking about
Shuts down???pffft hardly. Its still gets talked about EVERY SINGLE DAY!!! But shut down?? Mmmm yeah ok.
I was watching the Finals in Chicago back in 96. Payton was talking trash to Jordan. Jordan comes down the court, tells Payton "I'm faking left then going right Detlef Schrempf is going to help, I'm going to split you, then tell Sam Perkings I'm not switching hands this time". He did exactly what he said he was going to do. That's more amazing than his 6 rings.
These women have no idea what they're talking about. I highly doubt they watched Jordan play and they have no idea why he went to play baseball. Don't get me wrong, LeBron is a phenomenal basketball player and has incredible stats to back it up. However, he is playing in an era when players will do absolutely anything to get a ring. His team-hopping places an asterisk on his legacy that will never go away. Loyalty means nothing to most players anymore. Jordan stuck it out during some of the most physical basketball ever played. He was determined to make his team the best and he did it; 6 times. Like Jalen said, he probably would have done it 8 times in a row.
What stats guys fail to understand is the X factor. The killer instinct. The super saiyan.
royaltree1204 they also ignore the biggest stat ever....Wins!!!!!!!
KnifeNovice he faced 4 all stars he had none u lebron haters somewhat delusional but ok
Ballin Too Excuses. If he's as great as everyone thinks he is he would have won more rings. Wins are a stat. He's 3-6 get over it. Don't hate him. He's a great player and fun as hell to watch. But to say he's Jordan level is ridiculous as hell.
But stats show that Jordan is better to. Lebron will have bigger totals because he played longer but most of Jordan’s averages are still better🤷♀️.
Another X factor is skill. Which Jordan was way more skilled than Lebron
Let em know
Jalen: Lebron left to Miami for what reason?
Blonde: "yes he had to win championship" ...they say blondes are stupid, now I understand
"It's not a debate?" Yeah yeah.. 3-6.. a dude who is bigger, stronger, faster.. with 3-6 record? No DPOY award? And a freakin BRONZE medal in the olympics? A meltdown against an old ass Dallas Mavericks team? Nahh..
Numbers are trash without context.. compare their best games, compare an equal number of years, compare them with an equal number of games.. Mike comes out on top..
Facts, Daniel! Yeah, Lebron fans will say he was young in the Olympics, but he had the most stacked team in the world vs players that wouldn’t make the NBA. And if he’s the GOAT, and was benched, that’s his fault for not being good enough. Jordan won gold twice, including a team with college kids in ‘84.
The BEST don't get swept😒
Chi'mere Faison “the best” got swept in the first round. Nice try kid
Clayton Wilson You sound stupid as shit He got swept by the greatest teams of all time with zero help. What he is saying is goats don't get swept in the finals with at least 1 all-star on their team. Its all LeBron's fault he got swept anyway in 2018. He could've won one of thoes games
@@trayculton6945 i wish there was an nba police of youtube your argument is so one sided..... Lebron and Jordan were in similar situations yet people side with jordan... you have to side with neutrality
your argument is so ignorant*
Chi'mere Faison ....its a team game dear...nobody could fade lebron one on one !
LeBron is the GOAT😂😂😂. Reminds me of an old Bud Bundy joke:
Why do blondes wear panties???
To keep their ankles warm!
Notice that it’s always media people that advocate for Lebron while actual NBA players say Jordan’s better
Blondie had nothing.
This is why women should not speak about sports.
@@unjoevikay7064 but no brain you dumbfuck :D
Why are we even having this debate ? If MJ was playing in this league with the soft defense he would be averaging 35 plus. Today's game is nothing compared to when Jordan was playing .
35? Thats pretty low considering he avg 30 most seasons :D
@@BeMyPacman yeah I know I was being a little conservative, it would probably be higher.
He could avg 35 plus but is he beating GSW in the finals?
50, 60 a game
With today’s rules, MJ would salivate at 50+PPG
Actually, most of the major advanced analytics support Jordan as well.
Even in my country name Michael Jordan = basketball
6 - 0 vs 3 - 6 analyze that!
Facts. These are the number that people should be talking about. The greatest with a 3-6 finals record? Ridiculous
- Lebron got swept in the finals
- Lebron has as many finals losses as Kobe has rings lol
- Lebron lost back to back finals
- Lebron never three peated once, let alone twice in this weak era
- Teams celebrated winning a title on lebron's home court on 3 different occasions. ('07, '11, '15)
- Lebron lost to a Dwight Howard Magic team with no superstars in 6 games
- Lebron been the best player since 2008 according to Lebron fans but he couldn't beat the magic to meet Kobe in the finals
- Lebron is so great and goat that he had to leave his team and jump to another team with two franchise superstar players not role players, superstars.
- Jumped ship joined two superstars and still lost to a team with one superstar and a bunch of role players past their primes lol
- Jason Terry averaged more PPG's in the '11 finals than Lebron, goat lol
- Lebron would've lost the 2013 finals if it wasn't for Ray Allen's shot
- Lebron loses the finals in the following year by a record margin in 5 games lmaooo but he's the goat lol
- Lebron got cramps in San Antonio meanwhile Kobe and Jordan will play till they die basically
- Lebron then jumps ship again since he's the goat and so great he bails on Miami and goes back to Cleveland, like talk about loyalty smh
- Lebron loses in the 2015 finals where he was in position to win when he was up 2-1 with game 4 in Cleveland with Kyrie being hurt he had the chance to cement his goat status by going up 3-1 but couldn't and lost those finals as well.
- 2 years ago if Kyrie doesn't hit the dagger three Golden state wins
- Lebron scored 11 points in the 4th quarter in the first 3 games of this years finals
- Lebron lost in 5 games again lol
- In the biggest stage of them all doesn't matter how many times you made it kids all that matters is if you won it and Lebron's finals record is
2007- L (Swept)
2011- L (Lost in 6 games)
2012- W (Won in 5 games)
2013*- W (Ray Allen's finals winning shot)
2014- L (Lost in 5 games) goat
2015- L (Lost in 6 games)
2016* - W (Kyrie's finals winning shot)
2017- L (Lost in 5 games) goat
- Lebron lost back to back finals
- Lebron almost three peated in the finals with losses
Stop the comparisons with Michael when he's got to catch Kobe first smh. Kids and millennials stats don't tell the whole story in this watered down era of basketball with no physicality, hand checking, true 4 and 5's. Watch you Lebron fans make an excuse for each blunder in his record that I just pointed out lol and never accept the blame lol. He's 3-6 !!!!
I'm not sure why you left out 2018, because that made it 4 times teams have celebrated a championship on His home court. And KD has outplayed him in both Finals.
The question is can Jordan take the cavs to the finals without pippen can Jordan win against the warriors?
Great analysis
Nothing but facts! He is nowhere near being GOAT. If MJ had LeBron's record, he would be a laughingstock. Don't worry, though. In 5 years from now, people will have no choice to come to their senses and realize that there was really never a debate.
emp 17 well OF COURSE!!, if lebron did it with an inferior defense and ofense than jordan and turning the ball over wayyy more than jordan! and being inferior at the freethrow line than jordan and with less blocks and steals than jordan...then WHAT DO YOU THINK GENIUS??
Jalen !!!!
So you know watching sports all my life.
You were a great player !
You are always right !!!!
Thanks for honesty !!!
6 chips, 6 time finals mvp, 1 time DPOY, 5 time league MVP, 10 time scoring champ during the modern NBA. And he won those during the bigs era.
Jordan is the best hands down no doubt
Yes sir, my brother!!!
Good job by Jalen Rose..
Airheads to the Max comparing Jordan to lebron super teams.
Jordan the best player by far on all 6 championships and it wasn’t even close. One thing we always forget to mention with LeBron is, had the Heat closed out that series against Dallas, Wade would have been Finals MVP.
We tend to forget that wade was the best player the first year by a mile. I watched their games closely that season and it was pretty clear.
Lebron got swept in the finals
- Lebron has as many finals losses as Kobe has rings lol
- Lebron lost back to back finals
- Lebron never three peated once, let alone twice in this weak era
- Teams celebrated winning a title on lebron's home court on 3 different occasions. ('07, '11, '15)
- Lebron lost to a Dwight Howard Magic team with no superstars in 6 games
- Lebron been the best player since 2008 according to Lebron fans but he couldn't beat the magic to meet Kobe in the finals
- Lebron is so great and goat that he had to leave his team and jump to another team with two franchise superstar players not role players, superstars.
- Jumped ship joined two superstars and still lost to a team with one superstar and a bunch of role players past their primes lol
- Jason Terry averaged more PPG's in the '11 finals than Lebron, goat lol
- Lebron would've lost the 2013 finals if it wasn't for Ray Allen's shot
- Lebron loses the finals in the following year by a record margin in 5 games lmaooo but he's the goat lol
- Lebron got cramps in San Antonio meanwhile Kobe and Jordan will play till they die basically
- Lebron then jumps ship again since he's the goat and so great he bails on Miami and goes back to Cleveland, like talk about loyalty smh
- Lebron loses in the 2015 finals where he was in position to win when he was up 2-1 with game 4 in Cleveland with Kyrie being hurt he had the chance to cement his goat status by going up 3-1 but couldn't and lost those finals as well.
- 2 years ago if Kyrie doesn't hit the dagger three Golden state wins
- Lebron scored 11 points in the 4th quarter in the first 3 games of 2018 finals
- Lebron lost in 5 games again lol
- In the biggest stage of them all doesn't matter how many times you made it kids all that matters is if you won it and Lebron's finals record is
2007- L (Swept)
2011- L (Lost in 6 games)
2012- W (Won in 5 games)
2013*- W (Ray Allen's finals winning shot)
2014- L (Lost in 5 games) goat
2015- L (Lost in 6 games)
2016* - W (Kyrie's finals winning shot)
2017- L (Lost in 5 games) goat😆😂
2018- L (Swept) again..Goat😆😂😆😂
- Lebron lost back to back finals
- Lebron almost three peated in the finals with losses
Stop the comparisons with Michael when he's got to catch Kobe first smh. Kids and millennials stats don't tell the whole story in this watered down era of basketball with no physicality, hand checking, true 4 and 5's. Watch you Lebron fans make an excuse for each blunder in his record that I just pointed out lol and never accept the blame lol
March 09 very intense speech I like
Also Lebum got destroyed by the Brooklyn nets that took them out of the playoff picture lol but he’s the goat smh 🤦♂️😂😂😂😂 he couldn’t even make it to the playoffs with the lakers then he cried for help and now the lakers got Anthony Davis because the bum couldn’t lead his team to the playoffs but he’s the goat lol
I couldnt state it better myself. Facts are facts and cant deny what we seen on the court 3-6 in the finals
also Lebron has never entered the dunk contest because he is to scared .. while MJ is 2 time dunk contest winner ..
Raven facts Lebum would probably enter if he have someone to carry him up to the rim to dunk the basketball lol 😂 or have the nba changes the rules for his benefit lol
I believe Jordan's dad was murdered during the 1993 playoffs (ring #3) while allegedly helping someone change a tire... His dad died right b4 he walked away... I believe he's stated his dad is very much involved in his affinity for ⚾
Mikey C23 No it's wasn't idiot it was because they wanted to rob his dad which they did
Mikey C23 bro don’t even Jordan has an addiction to gambling but he never went into debt and certainly didn’t get his dad killed
thejokersonyou rumors have always circulated that Jordan was caught betting on NBA games and was forced out for two years. But those are just rumors. We can only speculate.
Jason Howell yeah two guys just decide to rob this dude and shoot them come on man that's it don't even make sense nobody robs old people and shoots them dude it's obviously some other s*** going on
Yeah it was. That's why NBA made Jordan take a year off - he was gambling on games he was playing in.
This the guy who gave an old Chris Paul $40 mil 😂
The guy whos 2 wins away from the wcf 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
your comment didnt age well
This is why you don’t have women comment on men’s sports like they think they know something
When the Lebron camp has to lie to try to win an argument, you've already lost. Jordan is the GOAT. Period. End of story.
Kai Burmeister Michael Jordan is the best basketball player that ever lived.
+Kai Burmeister
B*tch please....
I think the fact Michael won ALL his championships with ONE team clearly proves he's the GOAT
So did guys like Tim Duncan and Kobe.
What does the championships have to do with the best player? They not talking about teams.. They are talking about being a player.
Because Lebron needs another star player or two to get a ring. MJ didn't.
Itself 01
Do you realize that there has been at least 1 All-Star on a championship finals team for the past 7 years?
Teams need All-Stars on it in order to win a championship.
The All-Star argument is horrible and flawed because fans vote players into the All-Star game, not the league.
@@MistahUnknown not talking about popularity, I mean star as in skilled. Lebron isn't skilled enough to win without help.
Living in the moment!
I can't believe that chick sarcastically asked why Jordan went to play baseball and literally chuckled and had a huge smile on her face when she asked it. Seriously????? Did she actually not know and just assume he left for some stupid reason? ON LIVE TV too. . .props to Jalen for giving the professional response even though you could tell he was really pissed and offended at the question and her attitude while asking it.
No matter how much of a troll you want to be, making jokes and laughing about someone's father's death is never funny or cool or hip or whatever.
I still go back to impact on the organization as a whole. M.J turn the NBA into the global phenomenon it is today. Was the biggest draw as well
khalil MIA Did it without social media too which makes it more impressive
No he did not bro, Magic and Larry did that. Before Magic and Larry the NBA couldn't even fill the seats.
shiffterCL magic and Larry put the game on prime time tv. Jordan took it global. They’ve even said it themselves that he brought it to a whole new level
LOL no, it was magic and bird. Guys like Drazen, sabonis, vlade, dino raja were coming to the NBA when Bird and Magic made the NBA a thing. Jordan only gets credit because of the hype. The NBA was coming regardless, that's the thing called promoting the product.
My god Russia won the Olympics in basketball in 88, please tell me how Jordan changed it when the world already loved ball. Magic and Bird did all of it, even when Jordan left the NBA was in a great place for the 1 1/2 years. Jordan was making 3 million a year, then his last 3 bulls years it was 30 million.
Kevin Kohoutek So much fucking lies here don't know where to begin.
Please get these females off here talking about who is the greatest NBA player they have no clue PERIOD! She gone ask why did Jordan leave the game those 2 years, his father had just got killed and he wanted to pursue baseball because that was his Dad favorite sport. You can tell they never seen Jordan in his prime all they know is Lebron, probably was born in 98 and never got to witness real GREATNESS!
female or not, anyone can learn "know" basketball
Brandon Terry Amen, preach👍
Brandon Terry FACTS !!! The worst part about it is that both them broads don’t have a clue about the history of basketball
Cod Kue True but these females don't know squat, they're just running with whatever Rockets GM is saying.
Brandon Terry that’s not fully it but cool
What Other "Championship Probability" Is Better Than 6-0?
Shut down? No. Make a counter argument? Yes.
Lebron james scored 0 pts in the 4th quarter of the playoffs. Twice. That ain't a GOAT. Lebron got swept and absolutely gave up in game 4. That aint a GOAT.
youdownwithdjp_yeahyouknowme jordan had to wait until magic got herpes, bad boys got old, and bird retired early because he was hurt all the time. that aint goat. jordan had to wait until they drafted pippen, that aint GOAT.
youdownwithdjp_yeahyouknowme jordans dad was caught slippin, and was killed in his car while ASLEEP... that aint no goat
cheek buster24 lebron didnt even have a daddy.
cheek buster24 actually Delonte west is his daddy now. That definitely aint not goat.
youdownwithdjp_yeahyouknowme wilt died in 1999.. but atleast lebrons dad wasnt murdered. asleep. in a car. on the side of the road... and then they jacked that shit... wowzers
think of the goats of other sports. every other goat has not only amazing stats (LeBron's has incredibly good stats) but they also won when it mattered. Roger Federer has 20 majors titles with 10 runner ups, Serena Williams won 23 Major singles titles with 7 runner ups. Pele won 3 world cups in 4 appearances. Michael Phelps has 23 gold medals with 28 overall. the list goes on. not one goat had a losing championship record.
this is why LeBron will never be the goat, the simple fact that he is 3-6 for finals. I don't know how anyone can say a man with a 3-6 record in the finals is the greatest player. having a man with a losing record as your sports goat is a disgrace to the sport. your saying the best player your sport has ever known can't even win championships.
oh and I know basketball is a team game, but you have to realize if you are good enough to bring your team to the finals then you can no longer use your team as an excuse because that "inferior teammates" you speak of was good enough to beat everyone else.
You can’t judge an individual sport to a team sport sport. Phelps, Federer, Serena that all comes down to one player. LeBron James in only one player on a 13 team roster. No player wins alone. Magic, Bird, Jordan all had great teams and played with other superstars
@@newmusic4559 Except LeBron played with multiple all-stars. He played with fucking Dwyane Wade and he still only managed 2-2.
Lebron had two other Superstars that was top 10 in the league and couldnt beat the old ass Dallas Mavericks who starting roster was all on AARP. C MON anyone who says Lebron was a GOAT is retarded. Kobe was even better than Lebron.
Darryl Morey is from MIT as well idl
seems to me people who think LeBron is the goat are people who never see mj play. all I gotta say what is LeBron record in the finals? its not even a debate!
The look on the women faces when Jalen started hitting them with the small facts on why Jordan is better than LeBron & they couldn't handle it 😂😂🤣🤣
Cause they're thick as pig shit
Here is a list of most of Jordan's skills/attributes (I probably missed some) and I'll note which ones LeBron doesn't do well or really at all. I won't have to mention the rings either.
MICHAEL JORDAN:
1. Score
----catch & shoot (LeBron's not great here at all especially combined with moving w/o the ball)
----ball-in-hand (LeBron is good, not great)
----against double/triple teams (LeBron lacks here that's why he looks to pass if these happen to occur)
----free throws (LeBron is not that great here---this is one of the main reasons he's not the MORE complete player)
----post game (LeBron is ok---Jordan was one of the best)
2. Rebounds (LeBron can rebound but he never really fights for them---they just happen to fall in his area or he steals them from teammates----just pay close attention to the rebounds he gets the next time he plays. Ironically, MJ avg's more offensive rebounds than LBJ)
3. Pass (This is probably LeBron's GREATEST skill and Jordan's MOST underrated skill)
4. Defense (LeBron can defend but he often takes plays off and not the defender Jordan was---hence the DPOY in '88)
----Steals (Jordan was the superior thief--led the league 3 years)
----Blocks (Jordan is arguably the best shot blocking guard to ever play---only player in history to have multiple years with 200 stls & 100 blks)
----Man-to-man defense
----Help defense
----Passing lanes defense (Jordan was highly skilled here)
5. Strength
6. Speed (at their peak, LeBron ran a 4.6/40...Jordan ran a 4.3)
7. Quickness (Jordan had the quicker 1st step)
8. Off hand (left hand)
9. Go-to move (LeBron lacks here---Jordan had the fadeaway (outside) and the reverse (inside))
10. Leader (both are great leaders---but if they played on the same team, Jordan would be the main guy because he's more of the alpha male & better leader)
11. Basketball IQ (Jordan has it even in the clutch unlike LeBron)
12. Handles
13. Stamina/Endurance
14. Moving w/o the ball
15. Hands (Jordan has a glove for a hand that's why he was able to play people like a puppet---LeBron has decent hand size)
16. Athleticism & body control (LeBron is a great athlete but just has decent body control)
17. Creativity (LeBron has limited creativity when driving to basket to score; he can create for passing though)
18. Hang Time (LeBron does not have this---he's a great leaper though)
19. Clutch shooter (LeBron has hit clutch shots sometimes but not who he is--in other words, I wouldn't bet on him but if Jordan missed a shot, we would all be surprised)
20. Clutch passer (again not LeBron's strong point although he's a great passer, just not in the clutch--he passes the ball even when he has the best look)
21. Clutch rebounder (most people don't know this but Jordan was actually voted the 3rd best player to secure a clutch rebound to end a game behind Moses Malone and Dennis Rodman)
22. Clutch defender (in '98 Finals, he gets the key steal against Karl Malone and then hits game winner---he was pretty much LBJ (defense) and Kyrie (offense) in 2016 Finals-game 7
23. Footwork (LeBron's not great here)
24. Fundamentals (LeBron is not the best here)
25. Will-to-win (LeBron lacks here---he can be beat even with a good team)
26. Playing through sickness/injury (There is no comparison! Jordan's game would usually go up)
27. Competitiveness (nobody in the history of sports was more competitive than Jordan)
28. The "It" factor (it wasn't so much what he did but how he did it---you couldn't talk about him before or during the game or usually it wouldn't end well for you...also 4th quarter time was "Michael Jordan" time)
Note: The area I can definitely say that LeBron has over Jordan is that he has never missed significant time due to a serious injury---he's been more durable. But we'll see if that holds up...it's possible though. And he's a better dancer too...lol.
You right on most of these things but I get one you error on, body control, name a player who can control there body in the air better than Mike.
C-lo Mx That means we agree. Jordan had the superior body control. LeBron only has decent control---he's not very finesse.
Tier 1: His Airness
Tier 2: Magic, Kobe, Kareem, Bron, Wilt, Shaq, Russell, Bird
Tier 3: Hakeem, Tim, The Logo, Steph, Chuck, Dirk, KD, Dr. J, Harden, D Wade, Pippen, KG, Elgin, Moses, J Kidd, Nash, AI, Isiah
Tier 4: Big Game, Mailman, Ewing, Pau, The Truth, The Glove, ‘Nique, Russ, Oscar, Kyrie, Melo, Walton, Stockton, CP3, The Admiral, Reggie, The Worm
After seeing so many of these kind of videos I think it really comes down to this:
If you know the history of the game, you understand how the game is played for real, and you're a longtime fan of the game you know that LeBron James is at best the fourth or fifth best player of all time.
If you are a more recent fan of the game, if you did not start watching basketball until 2000 and afterward and if all you care about are stats, then you would probably put LeBron James has the greatest or second greatest player of all time.
But I'm sorry, comparing LeBron James to Michael Jordan is like comparing Jerry West to Bill Russell