Jalen Rose explains why Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time over LeBron | Get Up
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- Jalen Rose, Jay Williams and Marcus Spears debate whether Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James or NBA legend Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time.
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If your life depended on winning 1 game who you taking MJ or LeBron?
I’m going MJ.
Max gimme kobe
Max definitely Jordan. Bron will miss his FTs anyways. (cue when Jordan made FT for Dikembe - priceless).
@@rickymartinez237 MJ inspired mamba.
By proxy you picked MJ
Lebron would bully Jordan
MJ and Pippen all the way. But, MJ and LeBron? I'm going LeBron. MJ is 1-9 in the post season without Pippen.
Jalen is the most qualified man has played so many legends and watched them score on him😂
He got abused my MJ, Kobe, and Lebron lol
lol.
LOL what’s funny is he couldn’t stop Scottie either...Pippen abused him as well
Dying🤣
@@framesbond007 That is why he left Cleveland, that is why left Miami, that is why he got 3 rings, but 2 of those he was not the leader, once being Allen and the other one Wade. Did I miss something on leadership there? Like the all say with the captain: If the ship is sinking, the captain says YIKES, im gone.
It’s really simple. Imagine MJ and Lebron both in there prime on the same team. MJ would be the leader.
Perfectly understood
GOLD
100%agree
I don’t think so.
@@No-Hassle Jordan would not let anyone be alpha dog over him.
For those who didn't live through that time, there was a special feeling watching Jordan play even if you weren't a Bulls fan. Nobody has had that aura since. Maybe Steph Curry to a degree when he was hitting all those 3's that one year a few years ago but nothing like Jordan during his time. He was something something special to watch and never disappointed.
There was no debate about him as being #1!
Thank you....when did he pass Magic Johnson
Jalen Rose schooling these fools.
He passed him when he won back to back and a 4 time MVP without needing another top 10 player all time🤦🏽♂️
@@trejohnson1980 LMAO. Magic was a Finals MVP as a rookie without Kareem while playing PG/Center.
So you don't think LeBron is a better player than Magic?
@@YasharKhanah No I dont.
Magic was a better passer, but LeBron is a better scorer, defender and rebounder. He's also more athletic. They both had the ability to carry teams deep into the playoffs, but LeBron is the better overall player. LeBron is a better version of Magic in my opinion.
MJ isn’t for the soft hearted
Mf facts yo
Losing in first round consistently that is mj. dont ignore this if you are fair
^exhibit A
@@lindaispretty3142 is that your only argument
@@ShogunX11 an empty one at that.
If you hiring for the job of GOAT, and you look at resumes. It's Jordan. End of discussion.
Kareem, Russel, Chanberlain, Lebron have better resumes
LeBron, really
@@No-Hassle Lebron has a better resume? Lmao! Look at unbeatable records between Jordan and Lebron. Pretty sure Lebrons resume is lacking. I wouldnt even put him in the top 20 of all time.
@@aaroncoonfield7092 and if you look at the deeper stats like the PER,Jordan is 1st..............of ALL-TIME. AKA hes the MOST productive AND efficient player of all-time. Jordan is a BEAST on offense AND defense.
@@No-Hassle good one, not!
I will end the discussion with this: The GOAT never flops on any play.
facts!!!
but one problem...... the lebronsexuals will never agree.
GOATS never choke in the finals
Jordan flopped tho
@@No-Hassle Try us one that he deliberately done it to try fool the refs. Oh by the way, have you counted how much LBJ appeared on Shaq'ting the fool where get caught flopping?
@@andykuo4108 funny you say this and the supposed "GOAT" LeHollywood flopped twice once against Warriors in play-in and another against the Suns
Still don’t understand why this topic needs explanation.
All these topics do is help Lebron James. Jordan fans don’t realise that the more they bring up Lebron, the more credibility they give his goat argument.
SERIOUSLY
It hasn't since 2011.
@@eldio2124 Thay makes no sense 😂😂😂. All it does is give credibility to him being a top 3 player, not #1. Try again.
LeBron is the goat🐐🐐🐐💯💯💯👑👑👑
Its amazing how Jordan been retired for almost 20 years now and he's still the most talked about basketball player lol G.O.A.T!!
Totally. I agree with you. But when you look back at MJ's accomplishments as individual and for the league (sending an unforgettable trend - Jordanesque). That guy was P-H-E-N-O-M-E-N-A-L!
Yeay....that really says it all, doesn`t it? If people took the time to check history and stats, there would be no discussion. MJ all the way.
only because he is 6-0
Because Jordan is the greatest player of all time!!!!! Basketball is Michael Jordan!!!!!!
Bec he's the standard every other great player will be measured against. Thats why he's the GOAT
Now its bron, in a few years more, who'll be the next 'great' that'll be compared to MJ? lol
Nba fans know lebron, but the world know MJ!!!
It’s definitely the other way now lmaoo
@@vDisi ah nope
@@vDisi if part of the world includes us africans we only know of MJ......
the fact that his MJ is always mentioned in the GOAT debate after 20 years just shows you who is the GOAT
One word describes MJ's legacy: CONSISTENCY
The highestlevel of competition he had to overcome to achieve this. Others pale in comparison.
What lol? Lebron is by far more consistently great he went to 8 straight finals.... mj consistently couldn’t get past the first round without pippen and the rest of his all time team.
Khadim Diop he’s got to 9. You clearly don’t know facts which is why your opinion is blasphemy.
Khadim Diop in what world is it better to not even make it to the finals than make it to the finals and lose? Please explain
BriBriBros well LeBron couldn’t win a chip without wade and bosh, and then kryie and love. Smfh I hate when people say “OH jordan couldn’t win without Scottie”
Khadim Diop Mj would’ve got swept in 2018 lol
This is why its important to have fathers in the household
Maurice Martin
Amen to that brother.
What's MJ record without pippen in the playoffs😂😭🤣💯
@@blkthedonxexodus9383 3 yrs. What was Lebron's playoff record his rookie year?
Lou York City what’s brons record without Dwade and Bosh or Kyrie and Love?
@@blkthedonxexodus9383 Remember when Jordan retired in 1993? How far did Scottie get with the Bulls the next season?. A rusty Jordan fresh out of retirement from playing Major league baseball. Took the Bulls to the Eastern Conference finals then went 72 & 10 the following season & won the title.
Stephen A. said it best "I'd pick MJ everyday and twice on Sunday."
I just came back in my time machine from the year 2073 and Michael air Jordan remains the great to ever play the game.
How much is the MJ rookie card PSA10 if u remember? 🤔
Remember when Jordan was struggling to win a championship in Chicago so he went into free agency, aired his decision on TV, and then teamed up with Bird and Magic?.... yeah, me neither.
Remember when Lebron played with talent as great as that bulls team? Yeah me neither
I remember talent being drafted to the bulls.....
@@Joshsclips remember when lebron got outscored by a bench player in the finals? Never happened to mj 😂
Bob Padilla hahahahaha funny man and true
Josh Baker I remember LeBron constantly being teamed with all stars with greater talent than those bulls teams, and still can barely win championships.
The conversation of LeBron versus the greatest ever MJ shouldn't even be a conversation. MJ is the goat
I’m with you ! And also the GOAT doesn’t need to tell the whole world that he’s the GOAT ! A hated when Lebron declared himself the GOAT 😖
kasper rieberg Agree we all know Michael Jordan is the Goat always will be the Greatest Lebron is not in micheal Jordan League Kevin Durant will dog out Lebron if he healthy
@@doncooper384 KD 😂
When did Lebron pass Kobe....? Shssssss......
true
MJ had to grow to win a championship. Lebron jumped ship
Cavs are a dud franchise
@@danieldeering860 so was the bulls when Jordan got there. Jordan didn't jump ship he went to the gym and got stronger. Everyone needs help but if you moving around it's no good
@Real Is Real;MJ didn't grow,he held the League HOSTAGE by threatening to RETIRE in the interview after the 1990 Game 7 Eastern Conference finals ABUSE at Detroits hands!! A WEEK later David Stern outlawed hand checks and zone defenses,then ADDED a penalty for playing tight defense on prolific scorers,called a "BLOCKING" foul!! Jordan knew the money he brought to the League would prompt rule changes where defenses are LIMITED in what they could do to stop scorers. All for the MONEY!! Fair-play went out with Moses Malone and Dr.J!!
@@SuperDetroit9 thank you
Agree!!!
Most of mjs peers and before & after he played basketball recognized him acknowledge and respected him and he never proclaim himself as the one nor ask for respect. His ferrocious competitive fire in the basketball court and the way he talks to the media and how he handle himself outside the court made him as the goat.
Everyone forgets one feat of jordan being great when he went to retirement the 1st time and it made the whole league and the world beg just for him to come back and play again.
He never should've retired in '93 to begin with. It was a weak move.
@@boblangford5514 weak? His dad passed which altered his decision to play baseball.
@@theedrip____2542 did you stop working for years after funerals?
@@No-Hassle haven’t been to any of my parents funerals yet bud
@@theedrip____2542 that was a yes or no question
That Motorcycle did a lot more damage to Jay Will then i thought.
hahaha. that is savage
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Superfacts!
@John Harlowe didn't magic and Isaiah Thomas have the same problems in New York in Los Angeles
Mike stayed with Chicago. Each year getting to know teammates. Made himself better each year and pushed his teammates to become better. Mike led by example. Everyone wanted to become better BECAUSE of Mike AND they wanted his approval
Exactly. Even players fro opposing teams (based on interviews) say that they either have sleepless night before playing chicago and they UP their game because they are playing Jordan.
MJ elevated basketball to another level like probably no one else
That's whey they have the enormous salaries today. That "chit" came from the Jordan era.
When Jordan had the Ball in the forth Quarter- People FEARED HIM- Every New York Knick( or Any other Team fan Knows This!)
Facts!!!!!
True
Word!
People had heart attacks when Jordan got the ball in the fourth quarter i remember fans literally on edge
Not Detroit. He beat him up for 4 yrs straight. But unlike Lebron, MJ never had excuses, whined about it, softcast on his hand and let his fans played defense for him
Steve Kerr, can anyone tell me what team he played before Bulls? Jordan made Kerr a household name, and then Kerr became GM, now head coach for Warriors; without MJ, there is no Kerr, and no Warriors dynasty
They Changed the subject real quick when Jalen reminded Them he had to go to miami to learn.
ACC fan here. BIG 10 Michigan Jalen Rose is the most intelligent spokesperson on Sports T.V. He has the experience to back up everything he say's. Jalen even expresses his thoughts like a professional announcer. He should have his own show because the man is very knowledgeable in whatever the dialogue is. Mr. Rose thank you for your professionalism!!!
When lebron had his massive choke session in the 2011 finals that ended any and all chances of lebron ever being the goat. Lebron had to learn to have a killer instinct. Jordan was born with it. Lebron personally formed super teams. Jordan won with what was given to him. No debate. Jordan is the GOAT
just a reminder... mj didnt even got to the finals until he got pipen and phil, and mj was in a healthy club that knew how to build the team around him.
if you take lebron and put him the 90's bulls he would have won 6 rings also
if you take mj and put him the cavs they wouldnt even get to the finals
You gotta do more research there son
@Sarthak Kaushik Agree with you. Too many young spectators havent done their homework on the impact previous players (MJ, Kareem,Wilt) would have on today's game. Absolute domination. Even comparing how Magic lead the offence and his passing abilities. He would embarrass bron. It really is too bad that a time machine couldnt place a player like lebron in a challenging era of days past. He would be a good player but definitely not dominate. He's too uncoordinated to excel back then. Not smooth in his movements at all. He has the previous era to thank and was fortunate to thrive in the soft era he played in. I've seen some young fans post vlogs lately and nice to see they have their eyes open as to how much better previous eras were.
@@ronenmaimon2285 you mean a Scottie Pippen who averaged 7.9ppg as a rookie, or Phil Jackson a 1st time Head Coach who no one knew of? Great Coaches need Great Players and vice versa but Lebron keeps jumping teams he doesn't stay long enough.
@@ronenmaimon2285 lmao Pippen became a better player as you know because of Jordan. As for Phil, well, the GM happened to bring in the greatest offensive mind in the game Tex Winter.
Finally. When did LeBron jump everyone else to be debated against MJ. Only young folks who never saw the others play.
The only goat debate is Jordan vs Lebron everyone else in the way
Ummm Lebron James is practically top ten in almost every statistic, what do you mean when did Lebron jump over everyone else? Do you not pay attention to the NBA?
Lebron got outplayed by Kawhi and KD in the finals. Never has that been Kobe.
GNB Lebron couldn’t stop Kawhi. Kawhi could stop Lebron. And he left the game. Never ever would that happen to Kobe or Jordan. He’s not a killer and you know it. You know it was Kyrie with the jumper that was the killer. Just like it was Ray Allen in Miami. Lebron is great just not a killer. I’m a lakers fan I wanna be wrong lol.
D Thomas you watched wizard Mj or 1996-1998 Mj not 1988-1993 Mj is clearly better than lebron
Leaders don’t walk off the court with 5 minutes left period.
LeBron has 6 losses in the NBA Finals. 5 of those losses, his team was the favorite. Jordan NEVER loss in the playoffs as the favorite.
ouch!
I thought lebron could become the greatest ever until I saw him quit against the Mavs in the finals. He was still a stat monster for the series but he quit & the video of him standing around proves it. It was stunning to watch. He’s given up multiple times in his career in series.
Is he the most physically talented all-around player of all time? Probably.
But the greatest player? No.
What? Name the five losses where he was the favourite.
Jordan never went to a game 7 in the finals. Game over
Lebron bailed on all of his teams when he realized they weren’t good enough. How’s that leadership?
Great comment
sammy O exactly
How is being with a team combined for 11 years bailing out smh ? You dont think it takes leadership just to get to the finals 7 consecutive times on two different teams 8 in total apperances. You dont get to the finals that many times without leadership.
True
Same way MJ bailed out on his teamates the first time to go play a sport he sucked at.
Each year Jordan won a championship he got even better as a player, retired came back and 6-0 Championships. Each year Lebron won a championship he needed more help. End of conversation.
😂😂😂😂 straight like that
smarter coaches and smarter players... people never think about schemes they developed to beat someone... jordan doesnt win 6-0 in this era im sorry no one does... unless its like a big 3 thats crazy dominate
each of the 3.... end of conversation.....
Jordan left after each 3 and after he came back in 95 and knew he couldn't win he asked for rodman's help. You forget Jordan had one of the best two way players in the league who took on most of his tough defensive assignments, arguably the best rebounder all time and great defender, hof coach with a hof system, arguably the greatest gm of all time, and one of the best benches all time but you get mad at bron for going to Miami for a little help or coming back to Cleveland for the same amount of help
@@j2tyme285 get your facts straight. Mj was a defensive player of the year. Pippen is great talent but without Mj's leadership he probably wouldn't be who he is. As far as rodman, he's a great piece but not rodman of the pistons. Phil became gr8 after the first 3. Lebron had more talent around him in Miami and Cleveland but only won 3. So nobody is mad when lebron accomplishes less with more talents (all stars) on his team
MJ GOAT! But always amazing how Larry Bird gets completely forgotten about when going through the other names on the list following behind and certainly when the term leadership is mentioned!
Only 3 titles with a great supporting cast. So-so defender. Hampered by that back injury and therefore a relatively few peak years.
I think Larry Bird was better than Magic
Magic is my favorite but larry bird always gets underated.
Larry said Jordan was a God disguised as Michael Jordan.
Magic WAS my favorite too. Now it's KOBE. But I have BIRD>MAGIC.
“I understand he won 6 championships and is the greatest ever, but...”
But? What? There are no buts after that statement.
Jordan haters sound a lot like Brady haters! or is that the other way around? same difference.
MJ was swept in the first round every time S. Pippen wasnt his team mate.
@@EdStravagent pippen didn't come to the league guns blazing, Sweetie.
During Pip's first year MJ won DPOTY and led in both steals and blocks. Plus those teams he lost to weren't scrubs
@@user-it4dq9dj9q can't compare MJ and Brady. MJ is undefeated in Championship games and he doesn't have to cheat
edstravagent, I get it you are a young dumb millennial parroting nonsense you heard from another blind witness fool. In 87. Pippen didn't start came off the bench and avg 7 pts. And Guess what MJ won a first round series with SP on the bench. So did pippen's influence from the bench and the cheerleading hel;p the Bulls win the series? LOL Btw fool MJ rookie year he won a game. So do your homework ok? Since you weren't around you wouldn't know that.
MJ has the killer instinct and made everyone around him better. Not to mention 6 for 6 titles. Just imagine if he didn’t leave for baseball. Or if the Bulls didn’t get broken up after 1998. That’s 8-10 titles easy. Insane.
Exactly
7 Guaranteed.
You're tripping. MJ is a terrible leader and teammate. Your points are straight up backwards, cause MJ needed a support cast of yay sayers, he assaulted them and threw hissy fits when that perfectly assembled roster didn't perform to his liking. (while LBJ both carries and conducts his teams like few before) Also they didn't get worse when he retired lol (contrary to LBJ) he came back and they got kicked out with him in the first round of '95 playoffs, so your argument is a joke. MJ didn't get past real opposition till he was in his prime with a perfect team build around him and his opposition was washed up...
@@octopus8420 Lebron came back from a 3-1 deposit against the greatest regular season team in NBA history. That's goat status in my eyes. Let's also not forget that Jordan had Pippen and Rodman.
Just imagine if kyrie and Kevin love didn't get hurt and kd joined the warriors... no point in imaging cuz it happened
MICHAEL Jordan is the one and only G.O.A.T
J Rose just killed everybody with the James going to Heat to learn how to win!!!
"Why you guys discuss the GOAT?"
- Dennis Rodman
Paul Arsenal wiser words never spoken
"Dennis Rodman.... Wazz Up!? 😎🤠" - Dennis Rodman (TLD)
when someone passes Jordan as the GOAT, no one will have to dispute it - we will ALL know.
Unfortunately thats not true. The die hard Jordan fans will always say he's the best no matter what. If another 6'6 player came in with handles like Kyrie, a shot like Curry, explosiveness like Russ, Bounce like Lavine and the drive of Kobe and Jordan combined all while averaging 60 a game Jordan fans would say Jordan would've averaged 61
The Breeze underrated comment
Best answer to this I ever seen
@@holdupish I disagree im a jordan fan and if I see a player greater I will admit it but lebron is not it
holdupish Not at all. If a player comes along who is better and achieved more in the same timeframe or quicker he will be accepted as GOAT the way Jordan was accepted.
Pat Riley retired Jordan's #23. And said "no Miami player will ever wear #23 again".
Wait one dam minute. I've told you I've seen all the great being 71 years old.
Michael Jordan is the most exciting player ever period.
Chuck Daly said he's so good he embarrassing the league.
Let's also remember that Jordan has NEVER said he's the GOAT (unlike some other people). Everyone else says it for him 🙌
Jay I'm 29. I'm a new school dude personally. I was raised old school, boy I can't stand how soft life got. MJ had it right.
You was raised right playa💯💯👍
For real 😏
Bless the person who raised u
Respect bro...I'm 32 so you ain't far behind me...you and I were raised in the right eras...🤷
Every generation is “softer” than the previous generation. It’s part of evolution with higher standards of living. You say that you can’t stand how life got soft, yet you’re on your iPhone typing this comment. You try to act tough but I don’t know how you will survive in the old times with no electricity. Try to move forward instead of being backwards. Ww2 veterans used to say the same thing about younger generations and it’s those younger generations that gave us the internet. Embrace your generation instead of being offended by old heads.
Like Jalen asked... when did Labron even pass Magic!?
When the season start the goal is the 🏆and any person that lead to achieve the goal is a great leader.
MJ kept a running tally of all the centers in the league that he DUNKED on! Come on! His competitiveness was unbelievable! He made it his business to let the league know he's here!
Lebron is great but he know MJ is the goat
MJ is great but he knows Lebron is the goat
Put Lebron on the bulls team 6 rings.Put MJ on the Cavs no ring. Lebron born a leader MJ had to learn how to lead.
@@bonatlelove7732 LOL.
@@bonatlelove7732 LMFAO
@Andrew Lee why do you people hold that against lebron? He had NO ONE in cleavland. You cant even name his full roster from the cavs without a google search but expected him to waste his career with a bunch of nobodies...
Jalen always out here fighting the good fight.
Mike demanded perfection out of everyone on his team which is clearly one of the things a leader does. Ik some might've not liked the way he commanded it but it produced wins and titles. It's funny no one ever talks about how after each and every game during his interview Mike knew exactly what each one of his teammates did and he always gave praise to every one that contributed to the win another thing "LEADERS" do
The players on the Bulls weren't worried about having to answer to Phil Jackson if they messed up or simply didn't perform, they were worried about having to answer to Michael Jordan. And that wasn't just in games, it was during their practices as well. MJ probably would have punched JR Smith in the face during that game 1 finals loss. 😂
That’s the difference between MJ and LBJ. MJ would’ve definitely got in the face of JR, LBJ got passive aggressive like he usually does and used him as an excuse for him losing.
Right..
Exactly
Jordan punched white dudes he ain't want no smoke wit Rodman he just talked behind his back lol
Jr smith too busy partying n getting high to know the timeclock or scoreboard
Jalen gave the most educated answer to this GOAT talk.
@brian green because they're desperate. As always. :-)
no its because you got David Stern homeboys in office pushing the agenda because thats their puppet for life and jordan owes them his life because they murdered a guy for him who wanted to kill him because of a bet. jordan allowed two teenagers falsely accused to go to jail for something they set them up for to clean up jordan mess. NO NO NO NO DAT SELLOUT IS NEVER THE GOAT
@@whoeverknew5607 : Ooooh, sounds like a person who got away from a criminal charge and now can be charged civily. Interesting!
I am listening to the player who was on the floor and the coaches who know the game. Jalen you got my vote
Continue to speak facts Jalen!!
I love Jalen Rose!! Cuts to the point of the conversation and is extremely clear about his qualifiers!!
Yeah one of the that speak sense and facts without getting overly emotional, whereas the other 2 are obsessed with lbj
“Just because Jordan’s leadership won the bulls two 3 peats doesn’t mean he’s a good leader”. This was an actual quote guys, this is what he said 🤦♂️
Hahaha isn't it hilarious. All these idiots are so threatened. They can't stand it.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaching!
They're the same guys who blame Kyrie's ''leadership'' when Boston/Brooklyn is losing lol
Critically Thought That’s why you can’t take these dudes seriously, logic escapes them.
Jordan = Forrest Gump
Did you see how the other guys reacted when Jalen Rose made that EXCELLENT point about Lebron going to Miami and there being a leadership already in place with Pat Riley & Dwayne Wade... This is how people respond to a REALLY good point, by pivoting and switching subject to a strong point that THEY have, but don’t want to admit it or acknowledge Jalen’s strong point that should be taken by saying, “point taken”... What they were doing is arguing and Rose was debating...
I wonder how LBJ's team survive the bad boys?
Jay Williams espns don lemon
Nah, that's disrespectful to Don Lemon.
Comment of the year
His tone of voice throws me off, like he’s hitting on girl or something. Just doesn’t belong on sports tv
He's salty because he came to Chicago and we gave him no love! He had to walk pass a Statue of the GOAT every time he played at home! He's bitter!
Maurice Martin I’m stealing this bro!!
When you're having to constantly make excuses for one player while the other one hardly has any faults on the resume, then it's quite obvious who is the GOAT while the other is media fabricated. Good for coffee talk. All it is really.
That’s a fact
Right!! That's always i say! Two great players! Of course their resume are good.. it's the flaws we're gotta look for.
What you mean no excuses? WHY DIDN'T JORDAN EVER WIN ANYTHING WITHOUT PIPPEN OR JACKSON? Ever. I mean even after he came back from retirement he STILL couldn't win.
MJ also had so many faults and the same things we accuse LeBron of we can access MJ of similar things. Look at the relationship between management and the players. My question is why are people so biased when talking about MJ? I'm MJ fan but Jesus MJ played golf with opponents the day before a playoff game? LeBron would've been buried if he had done that and lost the game. MJ was a bad leader but great player and we don't have to lie to make him perfect.
Regardless of what kind of people they are Jordan fans pretend like he just played 6 seasons and left. The years before 91 and Wizard years count too. LeBron is in the MVP conversation and playing for the #1 seed (in “tougher” West) in year 17.
even the commentators during Jordan’s era knew and feared when its crunchtime and Jordan was holding the ball... what did Zeke said during the 98 finals “ you gotta take the ball out of his hands “ referring to MJ bcoz hes a killer... even Malone whos also a legend aknowledges Jordan mentality esp during the 4th quarter
It is all about result, it does not matter what kind of approach.... it is all about result ...
Someone make MJ a machine that turns him back into his 20s or even 30s and let him back into the league again.
He'd average 40
TYRESE MOORE nailed it
Pan Desheng If only..... IF ONLY....
It would be 60 points per night
Don't forget, the other team's players must have fouled all out
Nothing but Facts by Jalen.
the list of players he thinks are better than LBJ are debatable though
@@brettcarter3347 it is but doesn't mean he loses that debate
No one is answering Magic or Russell when asked who the GOAT is. 90%+ are going to saying Jordan or Lebron, while a handful say Kareem.
Adem Leadbetter nah he was out of line saying magic and bill are better than him. Kareem is very debatable too
BL C They aren’t.
I love these debates. They're fun to watch. But MJ all the way.
The greatest leaders don’t aspire to be called the best leader, but to push and lift up their players no matter the cost, the cost of them not liking them is part of that. The best leaders lead by example and want what’s the best for his players.
Jalen rose: makes valid points other guys: 😳😳😳😳😳
Kobe put up 81 on Jalen he needs to calm down.
Jalen Rose was debating, those other guys were arguing... They pivoted away from Rose’s strong points...
Jalen speaks facts and the truth almost like a prophet at times.
"Different stroke for different folk?" whacchu talking about willis?
What chu talkin about J Williams.. lol he was the sensitive guy of his era.. stop yelling at me MJ.. lol
😂😂😂😂😂
Jordan is the best end of conversation.
Young fella, we have 81 more games. You hit a shot like that I'll hug you 81 times. 1980 rookie, start off as center, then played gaurd, forward. 1980 finals MVP. Never before nor never will this happen again.
People get too emotional about LBJ. Jalen said, "I'm not discrediting Lebron", then Marcus says "why do you feel the need to discredit Lebron." Smh.
Adam Jupiter bc everybody literally everybody talks down on lebron u can not think he the goat but why u gotta pretend he just suck , how many leBum or anything lie it have you seen it just this one video comment section
Because people are dumb tbh.
This is a debate, and to win it - criticism against the other party has to be made. That's not discrediting, it's debating. Jaylen is simply addressing the dummies.
@@wisechoice8 Jalen himself is also a dummy. Everyone doesn't have to be MJ lapdog. Does everyone have to choose MJ as the GOAT and not be labeled as dummy? You guys think like a communist.
The lebron fans on these shows dont listen even when Jalen speaks clearly and with facts. Jalen spot on regards goat, lbj hasn't surpassed a few as he mentioned let alone nowhere near Jordan
Yeah jalen said he’s not discrediting Lebron, but that’s a straight up lie. Ranking players ahead of him that have no business being ahead of him is discrediting him.
Still can’t get why people compare Lebron to MJ smh!
MJ the best to ever play the game
I'd take lebron all day
I think MJ is the goat, but Lebron is the mvp of all time
Yep MJ was the best.
Miles Williams You can count on MJ to win the game every time without doubt. You can’t say the same about LeBron. Sorry it’s the truth.
MJ is simple the best! Better than all the rest! Thats sounds familiar? I think it was in a song or something?
Leaders win, they know the way, show the way and when necessary GO the way
Didn’t know that we were talking about who’s the best leader ?
Thought we were talking about who’s the greatest.
Even after retirement MJ is still a hot topic. That's why he's the GOAT.
Go watch the universe galaxy.
no its because you got David Stern homeboys in office pushing the agenda because thats their puppet for life and jordan owes them his life because they murdered a guy for him who wanted to kill him because of a bet. jordan allowed two teenagers falsely accused to go to jail for something they set them up for to clean up jordan mess. NO NO NO NO DAT SELLOUT IS NEVER THE GOAT
@@whoeverknew5607 Finally somebody speaks the truth. Jordan sold out by sacrificing his father. In return he's worshiped by the masses.
@@whoeverknew5607get some help
Jay Williams is such a clown.
"Leaders don't win championships"
- Jay Williams....
Jay will is cool at times and then there's times like these wen u just wanna smack the sense in em lol
Ikr I mean is Bill Laimbeer his puppet master?!
Hunter I agree straight cornball, please ESPN get him off show!
J🌹 speaking the truth!!!
A great leader don't leap from team to team to win championships.. that is not leadership.. a great leader would have stayed in the same team and make the difference and carry the team through to championships.. period
“Who was his coach in Chicago” “it doesn’t matter” Jalen it’s hilarious
MJ must have hurt Jay's feelings at some point of time for Jay to be disrespecting the GOAT like how he has been
Gerald Ohan he never respected Mike. When Mike retired, no other players use Mike old locker. Jay got drafted to the Bulls and he took the locker.
@@zhameljackson7447 wow
Maybe it's because Jay lost all 3 games to Michael in 2002-03, and went 2-22 from the field in those three...
Jay Williams is a Duke boy. Jordan is a Carolina man. That's why he says these things. Jordan hurt Shannon Sharpe's feelings gambling and that's his reason for his Goat argument. Nick Wright just wants to be with LeBron. That's his reasoning. Lol.😜😅😀😁😂😀😃😄😆😅😂😁🤩😋
Watch the universe galaxy
ALL FACTS! Salute Jalen
What does a NBA team leader ultimately lead his team to? Who did it more times between the two? This debate is so crazy!
Never had to watch 10 minutes of Michel sitting or laying on the court like LeFlop does everytime he gets hit hard to the floor
THANK YOU JALEN! People sleeeeep on Kareem man. Dude is easily #2 some can argue #1 on the GOAT conversation. Russell, Magic, Wilt... c'mon. Even Kobe is arguably greater than LeBron.
That's only because Kareem played a trillion games lol
@Aswan Aswan I dont understand why these clowns keep saying lebron vs Mj it should be Kobe vs MJ Kobe is the only player that can beat jordan 1 on 1 lebron doesnt even stand a chance
THE DARK LORD Longevity is key also
I agree.
MJ = Ali
LeBron = Klitschko (either one of them)
It's as simple as that
Nah.
Mj = sugar Ray Robinson + Ali + sugar Ray Leonard + Duran + mayweather
@@michaelkirschner6009 stop it you're delusional
There are different ways to lead but Jordan was the most effective!!! That’s why he’s the ultimate winner, that’s why nobody beat him in the finals. That’s why he’s the GOAT
Jalen speaks the truth!
really leadership? you dont even know when hes leaving or trade you.
Jalen is NOT "discrediting" Lebron Swagoo ...he is explaining why he is not the GOAT! That's it! Like Jalen said, "why so emotional?" Smh
because they just cant beat the MJ is better argument on the field, because everything that's measurable on the field MJ is clearly better, so they have to bring out things like leadership or personality etc and try to make a narrative there, just sad.
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Jalen is emotional himself.
Bruh shut tf up
Liu Matt lol facts next it’s gona be how people have died over getting my shoes. Lol nobody has every died over lebrons shoes so he must be the goat. Just stop they look sad because lebron was the goat there would be no debate and we would just move one. People love to credit Tom Brady with the goat status but then find a way to criticize mj. It’s because he did it on the largest stage and never once came off as being arrogant like lebron
Good thing JRose is there to explain to these young pups why MJ is Da MAN!!
I love when they act shocked about discrediting LeBron 😂
Jordan lead one team with his leadership to 6 championships. Where's the argument?
And would've had 8 in a row possibly if he didn't leave the game. Jordan is the GOAT no argument like you said. Signed - A Knicks fan.
Eric Hall nah LeBron tha goat. i like mj tho
@@driplord7286 Chris LeBron is great I agree with you (Top 5), but just watch the film, it's been proven MJ is the GOAT.
Uncle BobMarley that wasn’t funny. He’s the goat because he as 10 final appearances and is about to win his 4 ring. has the most all nba teams of all time. 1 in playoff points.
1. in steals in playoffs. 2. in triple doubles. He also has the most games win in the playoffs and he hadn’t even played the most playoff games. He’s also the first person to average a triple double in the finals and lead both teams in every major caterogory in the finals. he is also 3rd in all time assists in the playoffs. 2 in 3 pointers made. he’s number 2 in all time points in the finals, also 2 in all time 3 pointers made in the finals, and number 2 in all time assist in the finals, number 2 in all time steals in the finals 5th in total rebounds in the finals and 7 in total blocks in the finals. honestly this guy is a all around freak! he will most likely surpass kareem in all time points in the pace he is moving in. and the crazy thing is scoring isn’t his best ability. that’s not who he is. is it a big part of it ? yes but it isn’t his biggest move in his bag. it’s his passing and play making iq. when Lebron is on the court in these game with the lakers it’s like he’s coaching to be honest. When he is on the floor most of the assists come from him wither he gets the assist or he makes the play that leads to a pass to assist. and this guy is gonna he the all time leading scorer of all time?? lebron will most likely win finals mvp. making him the first player to win finals mvp on three different teams. this man lebron is the most durable NBA player of all time and the most durable one that is out right now. tom brady is the only one i can think of more durable then him. LeBron being such a all around player makes him my GOAT. if you disagree go ahead. but i will say another thing i don’t want to hear “ LeBron had a cakewalk to the finals” The clippers were severerd the same cake. and just maybe if they actually took this seriously and didn’t load management they could’ve been the 1st seed. it’s not the lakers fault the bucks and Clippers didn’t make it, or the raptors and celtics.
Uncle BobMarley Lebron is also a 4 time mvp. and he got robbed in 2015 finals of Finals mvp
Lebron's "leadership" is passive aggressive BS like tweeting at his teammates publicly instead of talking to them in the locker room. lmaaoo I've seen Bron do some GREAT leadership but also act like a child.
Spot on.
facts
Mannn or diss you to the gm
Major Facts
Big facts.
Jalen knows what's up. 🔥💯
Greeny: "I've lost control"
..is basically what happens to every MJ/Lebron debate.
Jay Williams is tripping with this all out nonsense.
J-will is a Lequeen cheer leader! Lol
It's personal with Jay. He was drafted in Chicago and MJ played with the Wizards at that time. MJ probably trashed talked him when they played against each other.
Come on I’ve never seen lebron get in someone’s face when the opponent did something to one of his teammates. MJ did that for his teammates during battles to anyone and that let his team know he had they’re back and will go to war for them, that’s leadership. Lebron walks away from things like that.
Thank you for having common sense
Nah bro lechoke flops instead of confronting them....if he does he picks on the weaker guys...
@@SuperBlueangel17 nah bro Lebum would call the refs to kick an audience out because they think he sucks (instead of proving that he doesn’t) 😂
Basically you’re saying LeBron didn’t have anger issues and MJ did.
That's a real talk Jalen rose.. 💪💪💪
Never went to a game 7 n 10x scoring champ, yeah I kinda want MJ to lead my team