Red Camera Vs Arri Alexa | Cinema Camera Showdown
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Alsoooo,
If you Use those... How much the user gets paid?
1 for Day 2 for Night
I watched it till the very end 😍
You could match WB on comparative videos... 3:37
Make a video about the new black magic pocket camera 4k and its predecessor
These are $40k cameras, why am I watching this.
rental one day maybe even then you should try them yourself first.
boss kapadyak? HAAHAHAHAHHA
If you ever work on a pro set, you'll see them around, and also you can rent a RED for $400-$800 a day from some places, which isn't too bad if you have something important to shoot with a budget.
u just made my day with this comment
hahahahhaahhaha
It's fun to pretend.
Gotta say I’m a Red shooter. V-raptor has been super reliable never had a malfunction. Think with their new dsmc3 line RED fixed a lot of known issues and made a more reliable camera
Yoooo, wtf you doin here?
Arri looks way better here honestly, also higher price...
Yeah based
why are you here?
i love how im judging a 40k camera and saying things like, "eww. that looks like crap."
and yet, im viewing it in 720p because thats as high res as my internet allows haha
9gagerofl also the camera’s supposed to look “crap”...it looks like that because it’s not graded properly yet. In raw or log profiles, you get a washed out and crappy looking image with a lot of dynamic range that allows you a lot more room for Colour Grading it in post.
A well-shot footage will look good whether it's displayed in 360p or 4K.
Think about it. Any Pewdiepie videos look shit on 4K because it is. But movies look really good even on SD.
So your opinion remain valid regardless. If you think it's shit then it's shit to you. It's just a ridiculously expensive shit as far as you're concerned.
@@Slesaint17 Nah, when you look at some of the footage with LUT's already applied you can tell a clear difference.
Leave a like for no reason Please well yeah, with LUT’s already applied is a different story, I’m talking about Raw or Log profiles without any grading or LUT’s on them.
Arri Alexa can easily be recognized! The color tone, the detailing, that dynamic range.... just WOW!!
I agreed hundred percent but what if you setting up HDRX up to18 stops on RED?
The image from a RED is insanely flexible, and I love their decisions regarding ISO-invariance, but they are a huge PAIN IN THE ASS on set. Buggy (a decade later), unergonomic, and endlessly fiddly. I'm glad I had an amazing AC last time I used one, because they can really slow you down.
I can see why Alexas are so popular, because they seem built from the ground up to make your life easier. Easy to use, reliable, and excellent colour science.
Jordan Drake I was on a prestigious interview set, all REDS, one was the early model. Super quiet set....then that RED fan kicked in.
I shoot roughly half Alexa and half Red. I do prefer the Alexa image and would choose any variant over a RED, but for me Red has always been very stable and easy to kit out and use. Literally never had an issue in nearly 10 years of use from the Red one to the helium. It's just different, which is bad on either camera if you haven't prepped for that particular piece of equipment.
Reds good...but..... Arri 65 is godlike image, what a camera.
The ARRI colors are simply soooooooooooo good ... everytime when i think "WOW these colors are so nice".... it is a arri
It's not even colors, just the superior dynamic range and hyper smooth heilight rolloff. Alexa is the king
@@alexkurtsaev3617 Red has a better dynamic range typically. But the image colorspace pipeline of Alexa is just greater, of course!
ARRI has wayyyyyyyyy better dynamic range than the RED
I think red looks more accurate to life, and arri is like overexposed, but that's my opinion
@@mason7031 No, the Red has better dynamic range - according to the companies themselves and independent tests. The Arri has pixels that are like twice the size though so it captures way more light, which is why it's far better in low light. I'm not sure why it seems to handle the light and shade better in the beach hut shot but it could be a similar thing. Arri do insist on putting a green hue on the footage though for some reason. I'm assuming that's because the human eye is most sensitive to green light so they capture extra of it - it can then be colour corrected out in post to produce a superior image than a camera without the extra green.
ARRI is way better. Those short clips are so nice even without color grading.
@Hallucinogenichusky uh the Arri Alexa LF is considered the best of the industry full stop right now.
I mean realistically, you're not gonna use that footage without color grading
Arri just looks some much better, all looks so much better blend in together, idk what it is exactly, but its gives a really cinematic look straight out the sensor
Red looks sharper, but that doesnt always mean better
Funny, in most shots I thought the RED was way better. It comes down to preference.
Dude I need to watch this with my headphones. My Alexa is going off non stop.
The skin tones on arri is much more beautiful
The red was raw
That's why Arri is the most used Cinema Camera for Feature film. Reds however are very good for vfx heavy films
@@TommyMinerPhotograpy as an vfx artist i can say, ARRI is always the best choise in any way. not only skin tones, also dead pixels and the whole colourmanagement and colourspace etc. etc.
i really liked the Dark scenes from Red, it has that darkness mood to it
@@TommyMinerPhotograpy yeah, I'm not sure about that. I would always prefer working with Alexa footage.
I can't afford the memory card, don't know why I'm here watching
Those ARRI footages gives instant hollywood-movie-vibes. Just something about the way it handles dynamics and the colours. Just beautiful.
I can't believe that I just watched 31min 😐 i thought it was 10😅
That's why he's such a great creator....
@@mrRhwalden i know
I've been watching him since 15k subs
only after your comment i realized that this was 30 minutes... welp it was 30 minutes well spent
ye same, i legit didnt notice it was 30 mins until seeing this comment
@@matthewburhans4355 yeah
I was closing the video when i accidentally touch the time line 😅
Thanks for these videos! We recently ordered a Gemini, really looking forward to it :-)
Did you buy a RED Gemini 5k ??? I follow the channel of yours a long time ago, I LOVE the content
Can you make tutorials of Final Cut Pro X
I don't know how the two footage are similar to you. The Arri's footage is sooo much better!!
ikr
I prefer red cameras footage
Dragon in the wild as he said it’s all about personal preference
I agree, arri much better, but muuuch more expensive
Brighter does not mean better
One of the largest unknown differences between ARRI and Red is: ARRI is using 10 watts of the energy consumption to cool or heat the sensor to a constant working temperature - with the effect to guarantee NO COLOR shift - independent on the temperature range ... in the snow mountains by 15 F or dessert sun by 110 F ... die ARRI is doing always the same color ...
That explains why they used it for The Revenant
That's crazy
@@TwistVisuals I thought the exact same thing when I read his comment. Loved hearing The Revenant's DP talking about divorcing film after testing digital in those conditions.
first time i booted up my ARRI. I thought the temp info must had been an error due to temperature sensor failure, turns out, it was just that good regardless of what environment you throw it in. Even after ten years of using, still went on like a dream, just like the Leica M3, legend is legend
You look like that kid from the movie "UP"
totally agree
He is the kid from up, feel old yet
I cannot unsee this now
When I first watch a video of him I thought that too
Totally 😂😂😂
Holy wow... haven't been on CZcams in about 2 months and then came back across your channel, congrats on the big jump!
Me
@@alexpena1224 you
I have lusted over a RED ever since they were introduced. But, I kept seeing that almost all digitally shot motion pictures were shot with the Arri Alexa despite the RED seeming to have better resolution and a more flexible codec and at a much lower cost for the body. With this video, now I understand why. Thank you for showing me the differences. I agree, the color coming out of the Alexa is overall, a much more pleasing image from the get-go so, there is less work needed upfront to get a usable image for post-production.
And: Nobody cares about resolution beyond 4K
You should. Having higher res gives you more flexibility in the edit suite plus, there's the idea of shooting for the future and archival purposes.@@useless_name
LTT had me believe that the RED camera is the undisputed best when it comes to professional video shooting. After watching this video, Arri is the clear winner in my mind. Thanks for making this. I have no business using any of these cameras ever, but I like having informed opinions if that makes sense lol.
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LTT had me believe that the RED camera is the undisputed best when it comes to professional video shooting". As Linus always said, it's the best camera for them, not for the world.
With just minor lighting ,the Red can be made to look exactly like Arri which is possible in Controlled scenario as in LTT ,beyond which you get 8K resolution which I think is the reason LTT went for red.
Have you seen his video ripping red apart? I got the vibe that he hated red because they're literally ripping massive amounts of people off buy price gouging peripherals that are necessary for the camera to operate in a useable fashion.
@@mrwashur1991 It was a fun Video where he complained about the price from the perspective of a consumer. He knows why the peripherals are expensive.
I think both have their places. I don't think there's any doubt that the dynamic range and colors make ARRI the king of cinema. They have 26 Academy Awards in technical, and cinematography winners tend to be filmed using ARRI. Example in 2020 Irishman, Joker, 1917, Parasite and many more.
I just wonder what camera they used on filming the movie "UP"
😂😂😂
They shot it on film
@@andrehall6432 hahaha
@@andrehall6432 I thought it was shot on a IMAX cam
Is it blender?
I think quadro
We have the best cameras right here...
Hubble: Hold my beer.
Spark The Regular Hahahahah 😂
Not anymore..there was a unused telescope belong to NRO and donated to NASA which said to be much more superior than hubble
The hubble has been out of order for a week ...
@@DVZM. I just use hubble cause its more populer
@@EGK20 I use hubble since its more populer
Mate! Thank you for creating content like this.
It’s great to see other people that work in the industry and share the knowledge.
That Arri is insane. I kind of saw a differences in the first few clips. but when it got to low light the Arri was clearly superior. Great to know they're also super durable. Even better to know ill never use one of these or need it
Nice comparison! When I watched the first few clips, it was easy to instantly tell which is which. I’ve never shot with a RED or Arri but from footage I’ve seen from both, Arri tends to have a slightly softer image with a greener tint, while RED is typically has more contrast and a sharper image. The green tint in the Arri is a dead giveaway though. Thanks for this comparison - it was super interesting!
Nice potato jet! Live your stuff man. Hope I can be as energetic and film like you some day!
Having now watched this entire (long) video - I Sooooooo subscribed - Can't wait to have the time to watch many more! Thanks
Fun fact: Arri is German, so is Sennheiser. Sometimes “Made in Germany” is still worth something...
"still" worth? dude products made in germany are expensive af because of their quality
chiggedycheckyoself
Gute Deutsche Qualität!
not in cars...
@@BloomBoerg true
The grandMA lighting consoles (the most widely used and most reliable and most powerful control platform on the market) is German, German engineering is still THE best
WOW Alexa rocked !! It's just superb especially in low light !!
Awesome Comparison
this the one of the best video for me today.. the background music, the footage, the efforts that you made, the editing... everything is so soothing to eyes man.. really love it. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Alexa's color science holds up naturally throughout grading, while RED's you have to put extra work in. Requiring secondary grades just to balance the image over a thousand cuts is days to weeks of JUST color. Spending more on the camera saves you a lot in post production.
Awesome, if you ever want to compare to the Flex 4K with any of those let me know and we can align something. yeah RED has too many options sometimes and if you don't know it very well and you choose the wrong one, someone is in trouble. you should watch my vid where I compare the C200 vs RED Mostro VV vs Flex 4K. PJ tell me what you think.
It's close and subjective, but I think the ARRI looks better.
It's strange how the big CZcamsrs who have gone (imo over the top) with cinema cameras have all as far as I know gone with RED. Many have had problems and RED don't even sponsor (openly) or help them.
Tams80 red is new and Alexa is more expensive and red gives a more technical sharp look which you tubers like
you're right its way over the top, Alexas can shoot 4k with a 2gbps bit rate but youtube recommends mp4, H264 compressed formats and a max bit rate for 4k at 45 or68mbps.
Its money they could utilise more effectively elsewhere in production, but... oh well!
@@ThatPaulBlake What would be an optimal CZcams camera for you?
@@technoled6732 Something simple and affordable, look up GH5 and A7SII comparisons, both great cameras, shoot 4k, A7SII is better for external low light and GH5 is better all round for ease of use.
At the end of the day, if you're planning on making short films and have the money, then sure go for a Red or an Arri, but if you're unboxing iPads, then even a DSLR with a good lens would do the job! :D
@@ThatPaulBlake Thank you.
I am asking for drone video.
I want to go beyond dji and gopro cameras.
Both cameras you've noted will do great probably.
Nothing beats the look of the Alexa, feels like I have watched every single comparison video on youtube by now lol.
The Arri just decimates. Every time. So much separation, so much clarity, so much emotion.
I love these more “advanced “ videos . Haha keep it up sir!
I love the color from the arri alexa
Right now, there is no other digital camera that gets the colors as right and true as the arri alexa. The reason why Hollywood shoots with it most of the time.
It resembles film the most but colourgraded red does look really similar
So sorry, I spoke too early into this video, in fact as I watched more, I realized, this is an incredibly detailed analysis of both cams, including the shading characteristics of both cams. Well done! Holy - wow! Well done!
The make or break for a camera is what can be done with the footage in post. If you’re just gonna pair them together with basic color correction, then you’re only touching the surface for what a camera can do better/differently than another
The dynamic range difference is pretty noticeable, the ARRI is better.
I've used red gamma 4 and it's pretty bad at retaining highlights and shadows, however shot in log with red's rec709 luts they're alot LOT closer
Red almost seems like a camera that can get a similar look to Alexa but needs much more configuring. Alexa is just on point out of the box
@@SHDEdits alexa doesn't have HDR features like red. only their alexa mini and new camera has 4k sensor red helliums now 8k and has more dynamic range. Red raw compression is amazing.
@@dankazama09 Yeah but the issue with Red for a lot of large DP's is it's highlights and color, They just don't roll off the same as an Alexa, which is why older DP's are more attracted to it, it resembles a more filmic texture. You certainly can bring extra dynamic range out of the Red with it's raw, however that's only when using raw, I've seen comparisons between the Red Hellium and Alexa XT on a base log exposure, and alexa handles color much better then Red at different stops. Alexa seems to keep very consistent color information, which for large budget features obligated to maintain a certain tone, it makes sense why it'd be the more desirable camera brand.
Of course this all depends on what you're shooting too. If you're shooting an Apple Commercial or a high budget CGI feature, then Red is the way to go for it's flexibility in resolution and raw. However for something with a little more edge, that doesn't look as perfect and more stylistically different, Alexa is a great choice for it's imperfections. There certainly is such a reason to avoid something too sharp and too perfect when picking a camera for a film. I'd say alexa is great for dramatic narratives, science fiction features and anything that requires a bit more edge.
@@SHDEdits you have a point. i thought i was replying with stewart gilligan griffin. btw RED has an announcement with NVIDIA they're going to have a software update which boost RED RAW even more. monstro is the beast. OLPF LL and HL helps alot with color have you tried it? i use promist filter if i want to soften my image a bit
Torx is way better then hex!
Is it me or is this just not the most "AWESOMEST" comparison video !!! I just left the dark ages and discovered my path to the light ! Awesome content !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't even know why I'm watching this, I don't know anything about cameras
we have no idea what the fuk is life till we are living like that hahaha
The ARRI is sooo much better! Oldschool look but same time clean as hell! - the RED is too unnatural and the contrast is not so good.
the contrast in the ARRI makes things look more natural as in looking at it with your eyes.
Beginner lol
RED is much sharper imo. ARRI looks soft as hell.
The contrast is because of RedGamma3. That’s not how the raw is. Arri uses Rec.709 so the color space is small, thus not so much contrast. Once you grade them you can get pretty much the same result.
whattttttttttttt all of the red clips are soft
Best 30 minutes of my life
Haha lol I never had sex before
Best comparison vid I've seen yet, thanks!
And yeah I would do that at the grocery store too for sure lol
What a great video, you demystified these cameras for me!
I just woke UP and opened UP CZcams and this video just poped UP in my feed. I watched and definitely gave a thumb UP.
love your videos! In my opinion i like the Arri much more, just the skintones, dynamic range and Lowlight.. so basically everything looked a bit nicer for me and my pair of eyes. But I´m just a starter in this industry, working in germany for a small filmstudio where we are shooting imagefilms with a sony fs7. I mean the fs7 in combination with a shogun and ProResRaw is just fine but this Alexa Mini looks so good, its like another world of cinematography. But like everybody says, its not the equipment, it is your skill level and your style that makes you good. Never wrote such a long comment :D
Just had my first shoot as a 2nd AC with an Arri and the menus were so insanely easy to navigate! -- The quality in video was absolutely nuts. -- I definitely prefer the Arri far more than the Red in terms of quality and in terms of how it treats lighting.
than you for soooo much solid information! i have learned so much from your videos!
At the end, I've decided to stick with on my a6000 with Sigma 30mm f1.4 dc dn lens :D :D
2 for day (creamier skin and hijghlights, better tonality and transition between light and dark, warmer tone as well).
1 for nights (more dramatic and contrast)
2 handles skin better
Огромное спасибо за ролик, очень полезное сравнение, жаль что таких не много на ютубе. Удачи в развитии канала! :)
Immediately noticed the nice highlight roll off in the Arri clip. Feels very cinematic out of the box.
The Alexa blows the RED out of the water. Much better dynamic range and more detail, and this even-ness in the scene (easily seen in the close up face shots at night) is what DPs are after. It's closer to the film response and it doesn't draw attention to itself so much. The RED's color science is reddish too, while Alexa's is more yellow, again, like film. We all get that contrasty red look that RED has with cheaper cameras, and I don't like it at all. I want the eveness of film that Alexa provides. Heck, I want the eveness of 70mm film, that not even Alexa 65 can't provide. Go see some of these 1960s 70mm film movies, and you will see that while the scene is contrasty between elements, it's not contrasty within each element. For example, you would normally get a very even face, no contrast (Liz Taylor's Cleopatra shots come to mind). I love that look. Instead, what we get with our GH5, our BMPCC, our dSLRs, and even the RED, is the iPhone look (I'm exaggerating, but it's just a higher quality version of that digital log curve).
You obviously know more about cameras and Film than me, but I always thought that old movies don't have harsh shadows is because they were lit a lot more than todays movies. I did not see this soft look in more modern movies shot on 65mm film, I thought the Hateful 8 (I think it was shot on 65mm) hat fairly contrasted lighting an d looked a little more harsh(which I personally like more than the smooth look of old color movies) because it was lit differently. But i could also be talking nonsense, I only have a very basic understanding of cameras, film and cinematography.
this video didn't even show why red Raw Compression is powerful in color grading once you use RedLog. Resolution+ Red Raw file compression
Ok
This review sounds like it’s from someone who clearly doesn’t use either of these cameras on a daily basis
Camera 2 has better dynamic range in my opinion, which I think is the Arri Alexa. I'm on the pause time btw. Now let's have a look!
Update: Yuss! I got it.
The highlight roll-off of Arri is too iconic.
As usual great vid @potatoejet love the dogs😂
YES! I was waiting for an Alexa vs Red video. Great videos by the way man! I love your style and enthusiastic approach, keep up the great work!
Alexa is much easier to work with in post - it’s consistent no mater what you do to the footage while Red footage takes a lot of finangling once you get into heavy grades.
Totally agree, the most you recognize the difference is in low light situations
Man, you are awesome! To be honest, can't understand why your channel is not that successful as a Peter McKinnon
Maybe because of the name, Potato Jet )) I believe in this channel!! Great job
From the point of view of a consumer -- I'm a musician, not a videographer -- the ARRI looks better. The ARRI seems to produce footage that's more creamy and smooth.
Just like the build, the RED has that grittier feel.
Makes it perfect for series' like Stranger things that have that dark theme.
But I still prefer the ARRI
I’m a professional at this now, I can tell the cameras quickly ! Thanks jet
Whew, your comparison really sold me once and for all on the Alexia...
Arri is do much better - dynamic range and slowmotion
The dynamic range is actually better in terms of stops in the Red. I prefer the contrast rendering of the Arri and that could qualify as a "better" dynamic range, but yeah, the Red is technically better.
not really... only the colors look more natural on the arri, the dr is better on a red
16:29 That is a torx tool. You can find in it any hardware store.
Nailed it.
The shadows and clarity were the ARRI giveaway.
Red was too crushing on the black levels and a bit blurry.
We use the RED Helium at my school and we’ve been taught to avoid using the button to shut down and just press the battery life on the screen and shut down from there, quick lil short cut that helps. It’s like a computer so once you shut down you have to give it a bit until the fans stop running if you wanna turn it back on. Although with the RED, we’ve had it crash before due to improper shut down via holding the power button for too long on a few shoots when other people have used it.
hopefully my wife's boyfriend gets me a red 8k camera
@How Not To and you are a very gullible little bastard
pixel quality > pixel quantity.
red 8k seems like a marketing stunt.
LOL
I wonder what the standard rental rates are for each camera.
The pro at work!!!
Exactly what I wanted...thank you!!
Great video… thank you for sharing
4:46 That’s actually the price of a C200, lmao!
you're cool!! Thanks for the parsing and humor!
I know i am late to the party but i love the way your descriptions are very detailed as well easy to follow.
i don't know jack squat about cinematography, but i like to watch these kinds of videos
Coming back to this video after I’ve spent more time working on videos, the thing I notice right away is the dynamic range of the ARRI. It’s definitely no contest after becoming more aware of the different aspects of video quality.
The dynamic range is insane and once you see it you can't unsee it!
Arris newest camera has even better dynamic range. 2,5 stops more, kinda insane
This was a good video, and turned my attention towards Arri. Thanks. I'd been thinking about alternatives that incorporate three ND filters, but maybe there is a real reason for enquiring about Arri? Red seems a popular choice, but Why? I'd have preferred a less dramatic presentation, we "Analogues" have to know the facts, not the hype.
Great Video! Continue the good work
It would have been nice to compare the features of each camera like the WiFi phone apps that run them, focus peaking, highlight and lowlight clipping tools, as well as HDRx with the ability to shoot two simultaneous streams at two different exposures etc. You left out a lot.
Also would have been cool to see ultra flat files pulled into premiere and FCP-X and how they perform and grade w/ regards to dynamic range and playback.
Great video! 30 minutes well spent, haha
When I watch you, I get a smile on my face. I don't know why but it's good.
That last second was golden lol
5:26 that made me spit out my food 😂😂😂
I’m tired if things being named Alexa...
Alexa, how do I change my name.
They had the name long before Amazon did it.
Alexa bedroom fan on!
Alexa, whats your base iso?
petra ensi oh god, I’d absolutely love just talking to my camera😍
Indeed, a very good video. I learned a lot about RED and ARRIS Alexa cameras. I used to go for BTS photo and video shoots for music video and commercial advertisements shoots. I have seen ARRIS camera being operated by DoP.
Now I came to know about connectors and all accessories a lot ....that is awesome content...you put together in one video. Thanks dude 🤝👌
Nice video and really does explain the real world difference between the Arri and the Red..
Holyshit. It's like when Superman Fights The Hulk.
I was sure camera 2 was arri but at times I couldn't tell while at others it was obvious. This changes everything... I still prefer the Arri look though. Thanks for the informative video Mr. Potato... Jet
you are one of the worlds best tech CZcamsrs EVER love ya work
Very interesting and informative video! Thanks!
dude wtf? at the 4:27 mark that's my city Riga, just around the corner were i live :) what were you doing in Latvia?
Vjaxa I was there for 2 weeks filming. Haha. Should’ve hit u up for a beer.
Potato Jet damn that would have been so nice, me as a amature video maker I would have had a lot of questions 😂👍 next time bro
13:37, the image on the right is far far better, it can't come down to preference. Colors, grain, shadows, name it, Alexa's killing the red
It can, the RED camera is just superior in low light recordings.
Just look at 1:31
@@tastydoritos9915 I think you got it mixed up. At 1:31, red is 1.
@@Chivoyage i know that's why i think it looks WAY nicer lol
@@tastydoritos9915 Fair enough. Despite the fact that the poll shows that the majority beg to differ with that conclusion, I guess even one person feeling that the red is better at low light proves that it comes down to preference, my bad.
Everything about the ARRI is just so.. palatable. The nature of the noise, the firmly present but not harsh high frequency details, smooth mid band, consistent colour balance under many lighting conditions, exceptional highlight rendering. Even when you zoom in, there's not obviously more detail with the 8K sensor.
My fav is 2!! Clearly ruling it.