Just remember, you're working there of your own volition. If you want to leave at any time, you're free to do so. They could fire you, but they can't ever force you to work against your will.
Site manager: we don't pay overtime, you earn comp time and you can just use those first instead of pulling vacation hours (or sick hours if you want.) I spent 3 hours after the end of Monday shift because his nephew broke a water line and "we" fixed it; I showed him how I fixed it. I told Site manager the next afternoon I would be leaving 3 hrs early Friday. He thought he was being clever saying: Leave early 5 minutes every day until the 3 hours are gone, that way we won't miss you... ohh... and you'll still get the time back. I gave him the are you really that stupid look, "You wouldn't you do that with your time!" 🤔 A light bulb went off for him 💡 "Ok So this Friday? Have a good weekend."
@@copcuffs9973 damn I miss comp time. When I worked landscaping, I would bank the hell out of comp time. Anything over 45 hrs. I would just take comp time. That way Uncle Sam doesn't screw you as bad.
One time I had a vacation to Germany planned for 6 months and put in a request for 2 weeks of vacation for the trip and my boss and his boss both approved it. A week before the trip I went in to make sure my boss remembered and told him I had everything lined out for when I was gone. He told me there was no way I was taking off for 2 weeks so I told him to follow me. We walked straight to his bosses office and his boss told me to enjoy my vacation while telling my boss to deal with me being gone for 2 weeks.
Ah bosses. So my last boss decided he was not coming back to work until the end of pandemic. So for two years he has been sitting at home doing his job on the computer while i have been doing the physical aspect of his job. So I wanted time off like you did. My bosses boss told him he would have to come into work. He refused. On the zoom call I was part of he was informed his services were nolonger required. That I would be getting a substantial pay raise to handle the physical end and the paperwork would be done by two administrative assistants who would go from part time to fulltime. He was, I will be in on Monday. As his boss said yes, you will be in to turn in your company laptop, phone and car. They turned his phone off, internet access and email off during the zoom call.
@@bobdole4949 Management would have a month to figure out coverage for that requested vacation time. It's not that hard to schedule accordingly. Management often just decides they don't want to do it because it is extra work.
@@bobdole4949 as someone who very rarely even calls out sick or takes a day off in general. If I tell you 4 months in advance I’m going on vacation. It’s not a request. It’s me saying. I’m not gonna be here and you have ample time to shift the schedule around just like you do when someone else goes on vacation. Also where I used to work would wait until the week before to tell you if they denied or approved it so after months of not being told anything they said ah no. And I told my manager I’m not gonna be here on x day and if that’s an issue we can take this to the cage. Suddenly it wasn’t an issue and I worked there for a few more months before I went to a different job
@@laurent3415 if there are no bodies to cover it because of staffing shortages, even if it's a month or two in advanced, doesn't mean they can magically produce a body. This is highly dependent on the type of work you do / where you work though. The type of work OP does, there are multiple people at one site, but when it's the type of job where you have one person at each location and multiple locations, sometimes there's nothing you can do
@@reasonableq419 depending on the type work you do, things could vary greatly, I get it. What happens if you requested that time off and 2 other people requested that time off already and were approved? Still call off / not show up?
Had this conversation before boss told me "just because you requested don't mean it was approved" so politely I told him "just because I'm scheduled don't mean I'm gonna show up!" Best 4th of July ever...
When boss said 'I saw pictures of you on the beach' I was expecting Ricky to respond with his doctor telling him he had a few days to live so he lived it up and got better
We had a incident when 47 telecommunications workers were constantly denied vacation for 3 years straight. Everyone had 6 weeks of vacation time that we had to take or lose them. And we could not cash it out. So from the middle of November to the end of December the company was forced into shutdown. When everyone returned to work we were fired for not working. Until attorneys showed up with A subpoenas and court documents. Then all of a sudden we received all back payments and calls to come back to work. Me I found a better job working for the company that contracted my old company to do complete tear down and rebuilds of the telecommunications infrastructure.
I recall years ago when a production guy came up to the the shift foreman on a Thursday asking for the next day off to buy a car. The foreman was short handed and said if he had any notice he could call in someone so "no you can't have tomorrow off". "In fact if you don't show up Friday, don't bother coming back Monday". The guy thought a second and said "okay". He never worked there again.
LOL, We are SO short handed that I can not accommodate your time off request AND I am gonna fire you if you leave anyway. I am betting that they were so happy to be even shorter handed on Monday that they decided to take it out on the other guys still working.
@@Mustangofold Back then it wasn't hard to find a guy that could stack boards or use a shovel so he wasn't really missed. The last couple years were tougher to find anyone that would push a broom. The plant just shut down after being bought by a corporation of bean counters and safety guys just like the one Ricky and Roscoe have to deal with.
They can probably tell you to find a new job too. We usually plan vacations months in advance, if there are conflicting times, we usually work it out amongts ourselves and the people with higher seniority get first dibs. If there are too many people off one week you shouldn't be able to just "TELL" your supervisor you're also not going to be there unless you had that week picked in advanced and approved.
@@asamanatananana yes you can because they GAVE you vacation days. if they didn't want people to take vacations they could take those days away and make them request off.
@@asamanatananana they could fire you yes, but, if they did, they'd be breaching their own formal contract they made with you, about allowing you to have a certain amount of vacation days in a year. And if you fire them for using those vacation days after they notified you about the time off we'll in advance, they can quite easily be on trouble for it, and if they didn't pay for the vacation days, if that's how the contract went, then they could be sued for the amount of money you'd have required
This is where companies shot themselves in the foot by combining vacation and sick days into the all-encompassing PTO. So now if my vacation request gets denied I'm suddenly sick for a week and there's nothing they can do about it because the law says I can take my PTO whenever I want.
Yeah. I got wrote up and then let go for that very reason. I had 2 medical issues pop up and both times the Doctor told me to stay home for a week. My boss told me that even though I had pto, I was not allowed to use pto whenever. It actually turned out to be a very good time to leave the company. I got a new job that paid double and I enjoyed working a lot more!
The law? Here in America we are at will employees and yes they can fire us but if you want off bad enough take off. Right now there aren’t enough willing participants in the work force to fill the jobs in the 5 companies democrats didn’t finish off yet.
@@308dad8 I mean technically yes, but not for an illegal reason, like reporting a safety violation or something. I mean the economy is booming, job growth and labor participation has never been higher, but sure,
The funniest version of this is when management or whatever tells you your acquiring too many holidays, basically orders you to take a week off, then denies your holiday request form
That is when you ask for a meeting and ask them to clarify their mixed signals. If they deny your holidays but still want you to use them, how the fuck are you going to square that circle? Some outfits allow you to cash them out, but not all.
Agree 100. I almost never take vacations, but the one time I did I put the days in months in advance to go to austria to ski. Then a week before i leave they said I can't go because they just decided to do trainings i needed to help lead. So I did what I had to. Those ski runs were awesome.
My old job was like that, i got denied so many days, so one when i was on vacation at the lake, i stayed an extra week, told my boss the day before i was set to be back that i was going to need to stay an extra few days, she was cool about it, but her boss was pissed. He later became my boss when she left the company so that sucked. But she was cool as hell. My current boss is awesome. I tell him i need to take a pto day hes cool with it as long as i get my shit done.
I've actually had this happen and my response was: "What are you gonna do? Fire me? Like I said, I tell you when I'll be taking my days and you accept it, if you don't like it, complain to someone else." Needless to say it was never mentioned again. Ricky is absolutely right on this one, and one more word out of supervisor will get a quote w/o notice on the worst possible day I could manage. Source: Veteran
Worked for a company that used seniority in approving vacation. Waited for my jerk of a boss to apply and get approval. Then applied for the same days. Loved seeing his vacation approval cancelled due to low seniority.
If I'm putting in for a vacation day or a day off, it's really a notice that you should expect me to not fucking be there... because I'm not gonna be there. I had a supervisor that tried that shit one time. I emailed the "request" in, he emailed back "denied", I emailed back that it wasn't a request and I wasn't asking, more letting him know that I wouldn't be working... and I included his manager and his manager's manager on the email. I received two emails in return: The first was from his manager saying "approved". The second was from him saying "my bad".
Rickey is 100% right on this. My vacation request is actually a vacation advisory. I'm advising the company to figure out how to cover me while I'm gone.
Yo I'm with Ricky on this 100% The fact that you need to send in a request to use you're alloted days and you could get denied. Is ridiculous. So if I planned out a whole 2 week vacation in advance to fly over to Italy and then I get my request denied, I guess I just spent a couple thousand dollars for nothing. So pretty much asking for vacation days is like asking your mom if you could visit a friend's house.
It's even worse when they say "you have to use them or you lose them", but then they sit there and bullshit you with "you can't use them for 11 months out of the year because reasons" and always deny them. Where my mom works, they pull that shit all the time.
There was one time i put a vacation request a month ahead of time. A couple days before i was supposed to go i got a call saying because this one guy in management didnt get the vacation request on his desk my trip was denied. I informed him that i gave the company a month in advance. They ended up letting me go on that vacation. They did mix up the days of when i was supposed to return though. "Enough day dreaming time to come into work at 3 today." "Well sir, thats going to be hard to do since im on the other side of the continent and my plane leaves at 5." Oh. See you you tomorrow then.
First of all, I take it you've never gotten off the "floor", so to speak. Try keeping production up in July because everyone wanted a vacation during the summer, see how the fuck that goes. I see a lot of people bitching over managment when they've never tried it for themselves, so I'd suggest you suck it the fuck up until you've actually walked a mile in their shoes. Nobody is forcing you to work; you can leave at any time, you're not a fucking slave. BUT, and this is a big one, shit can't go down the way you'd like them to every fucking time, because the fucking company still needs to make a profit to KEEP YOU EMPLOYED. You give some, you take some, because at the end of the fucking day, you're part of a TEAM. Don't like it? Go freelancing, work whenever the fuck you like, and live with the paycheck you end up with.
I had a planned and approved week vacation that i gave notice for 9 months in advance. Three days before i was supposed to start my vacation i was told that there was no way id be able to take my vacation because i was the PM on a job. So i told the managers that a really appreciated the job and the money ive made but that i quit. They asked me why i was quitting. I told them that when i leave to start vacation that it would be exactly 372 days since i had a day off. So i was out. They told me to enjoy my vacation and they would see me when i got back. I was planning on not going back. Halfway through my vacation they sent me an email saying that i could extend my vacation and additional week and that it wouldnt cost me any additional vacation time. They paid me as if i was there and i got a raise. So i stayed with the company another 2.5 years.
They realized they royaly fucked that one up- You're lucky, most companies try to push the blame on the worker and will only begrudgingly "comp'' you if you really fight it.
@@derpsquad3306 I mean, assuming this moron did in fact work over a year straight, he does deserve all the blame possible. I mean, I get wanting that OT, but hell my company wouldn't let me work more than 12 days straight even if I wanted to.
And then everybody clapped, or some shit like that. 372 days huh? Dedicated employee right there. Fuck the holiday season right!!! Come with me, and you'll see, a world filled with OSHA violations...🎼
When I retired from the army I told my employer I had 21 years worth of deer seasons to catch up on and I will not be at work from 10-20 November. Ever. It’s never been an issue
Or Ricky is secretly reliable in his own way. Like when he's on location the job gets done.. maybe not to safety spec, or standard, but hes the guy you send when you need a turd polished and somehow.... he makes it shine.
While working for a municipal fire department for 20+ years, we were permitted 2 personal leave days a year. When requests are submitted 30+ days out from the day, seniority rules. Less than 30 days, first come, first serve. Less than 48 hours, it has be an emergency. Finally, only 4 people are permitted to be off on personal day requests per shift( not notice). Oh the rules and hoops one had to jump through if time was truly needed off. Glad I don't deal with that craziness anymore now that I've retired. Vacation time is is picked in November/December for the entire following year.
Absolutely agree, and well using sick days for a needed you day for your sanity,as long as your not on deadline n leaving co workers short handed as well, I mean if you pull your weight n dont overly abuse it I never had any trouble with vacation days or sick days were I worked,my employer had his business we buy n sell n process medicinal herbs and botanicals for export to china n Korea n such,ginseng and such as well as to companies that sell vitamins and teas such as goldenseal or yellow root, as well as laxative and weight loss teas n vitamins at wal mart n dollar general n such places as well as to due comparison and wild cherry bark for incense companies and rat poison companies because the bark is basically cyanide poison in concentrated resin or sap byproducts. Anyways 4 employees me buying from collectors selling it for a living and cleaning and drying the products as well as weight n packaging for sell n transport, whilst he drove cross country buying in locations in Mass from ppl who doesn't have local dealers or have substantial amounts, anywaysafter pay n overhead the first yrs of business he cleared 200k,the following year after I was hired he cleared al.ost 700k,me him n a helper to help me process at 12 dollars a hour,me 15,cash no taxes unfortunately, the way it worked out if you made 20 n hour with taxes withheld,it worked out to same pay rate for me,anyways in 3 yrs he made enough to buy n remodel a dream home for his wife with 188 acres to build new warehouses and stuff 7rs in and some times 70 hours a week,15 or 18 hours days something even on sundays in order er to process n fill our orders fro Chinese exporter,just 4 of us building his house and warehouse as well as working regularly, I only took a day for myself twice n any other time I just enjoy working cause I was newly divorced and had wild unfortunate tendencies to drink or do the recreational drugs around so I kept my nose clean n invested 9 yrs of my life making him a very rich man,in hindsite I could've competed and ran my own business, point is dont work your life away to build something for someone else,do it for yourself, and well vacation n sick days are separate and at your discretion, not there's, do u n enjoy the vacation, its always well deserved.
Asked for time to go to Sturgis bike week. Told I didn't have the time. HR was in meeting so she said I do. Boss said I WAS NOT GOING. I quit. Sent pics back. They can't figure out why 70% have quit in last year
I hardly took vacations so my vaction days kept rollin over... by doing that any time in wanted to take one i never had a issue no matter what kind of notice i gave 1 second notice was fine lol when i finally changed careers i had a check for 5k just for vaca days i never used on top of 1k of sick days i never used ... next job treated me just as nice again hardly took time off and hardly ever was sick so was able to take time off pretty much when ever i wanted to. Even got a nice raise in a big rescission
Had a supervisor try to pull this shit on me. They had the audacity to try to call me during my younger brother's birthday party and left messages asking why I never showed. I straight up told them they were given *plenty* of notice given that the time off was in December and I put on for it in February, and turned my phone off for the rest of the day. They cut my hours the next week and tried to give me shit for it, but the thing about being the guy that lives 10 minutes away and can do pretty much everything is that you wind up getting called in when someone doesn't show. Head supervisor wasn't happy about that and basically told the other supervisors that I was at the bottom of the priority list for call ins from now on. That only lasted a week before they were calling me in themself. Turns out he didn't like the surge in the supervisors' OT that decision caused. I changed the wording to sound like a different job, but this is pretty much what it's like to work in fast food and retail. Cutting my hours and preventing shift managers from calling me in was an attempt to force me to quit that didn't work at all. That shit happens all the time
a job i used to work tried that with me. assistant shift mgr tried cutting my hours to 0 for a two week period without notice a couple hours before my shift was supposed to start. I ended up nearly calling their boss' boss and suddenly right as i was about to press call right in front of the asst mgr, suddenly my schedule was being put back in.
Exactly. I hate this thinking. I work at burger king cuz I made so e bad choices in my past, but my manager caused me to find another place to work. We have an extra part of our job where someone gets paid to clean the broiler, filter and change the oil from the fryers and clean the fry station and get the floors real nice. It pays about 50 extra a night flat rate that gets added to your check. So say you do 4 nights that's 200 more on your check. In a crappy job that actually brings your paychecks closer to management levels without the extra headaches. Well thanks to the recent health issues people were leaving but my manager wasn't even trying to hire anyone. So she changed my hours that I had to work. Now this extra thing is called porter. Porter work can only really be done once the store closed. I went from working whatever to close usually 3 to close and porter to 11 to 8, and gotta wait a few hours to porter. I cannot just get 2 hours of sleep and get back up. So I'd be forced to wait which I did by bringing my PS4 to work. But over time I started getting more and more exhausted. I would sleep all day on my days off. It wasn't healthy. So I asked to get a few porter days off that she should try to get another porter or full close. I was doing 5 days of porter a week. She basically told me she couldn't. But here's the thing, I am the best porter she's ever had and she didn't want anyone else cuz they just don't care like I did. So I applied for dairy queen and got hired there. I was literally being overworked by her, and she kept demanding I do this or that extra for me type thing and I would. But I had enough if she wasn't going to realize that she was already expecting way more out of me than anyone else that I was unreplaceable. But then love to shove in my face that I am just so I do more. It drove me nuts. So I left. She was forced to find more porters cuz shocker no managers wanted to stay an extra hour or two to clean the store with the closer. I did eventually come back cuz of issues but shortly after I went from no porter to 5. It proved my point that no one else will do it as well as I did it. I am in the process of trying to go do FedEx. Alot of places won't hire me though due to some last issue. I hope I get it cuz I'm tired of fast food. Way too toxic. We're expected to do so much so fast in so little time between cars for the measly checks we get. Seriously fast food should be paid more
Honestly I think bosses expect you to use vacation days for days you are rained out and sitting at home or when work is slow. It seems unbelievable to them that you might have a niece getting married in another state or want to see Iceland.
@@cleverusernamenexttime2779 The company I work for used to roll over vacation time, then a bunch of people started stockpiling it and taking off 2 or 3 months at a time. Now it's use it or lose it.
@@explosionsandstuff7787 I could see using two weeks maybe. But why would someone take three months off and expect to still have a spot? If I know I'm going to be shorthanded for three months, I'm looking for a replacement.
@@cleverusernamenexttime2779 Close to 1/3 of the employees are immigrants, and they'd leave the country to go visit their family for months at a time. Legally, the company couldn't do anything to stop them or fire them for it, because it's vacation time. That's why they changed the policy.
A while I had 2 Vacation days scheduled, I took the first, then on the second I woke up to a dozen phone calls from my boss. So I called him up and before I got a word in he was shouting and threatening me to come in. It turns out he erased my name off the vacation Callender because nobody wanted to cover for me (or needed to). As you can imagine, I walked right to hr, and told them to make it right or I'll call a attorney. I was given a extra day Vacation and one good swing at the weasel
I'm with Ricky on this. If I sign a vacation slip, I'm not asking for permission, I'm TELLING you I'm GOING on vacation. I do so a month to a month and a half ahead of time so you can figure it out and have no cause to refuse me, avoiding all of the butt hurt and dramatic nonsense in the process.
I once gave a request a month out. A couple days before the vacation, i got a call from one of the managers saying he didnt get my vacation request. They ended up giving me my vacation.
We have the same "misunderstanding" at work. Where I work we use a calendar system. Any one taking time off gets written in on the calendar. If the week is open on the calendar, then by my union contract they can't deny me that time. So it IS a notification that im taking MY TIME off that I worked hard for. There's no approval necessary at that point, peace out, see you in a week.
Glad NY has actual laws on Vacation Days and Sick Days. Fact is, Vacation days aren't even recognized by law federally and in most states. And sick days aren't protected by federal law, despite what people want to believe. Fact of the matter is, yes, they can fire you for taking a vacation, even if they approve it; There's nothing in the laws saying they can't. Save in NY, where yes, it is a notification, not a request.
Once had an operations manager tell me that I can use my vacation days whenever I want for whatever reason. So I submitted my form, and then my super tried to tell me I couldn't go. So I explained to him that I wasn't going to be in for work on those days regardless, so if it became an issue he could discuss it with his boss (the ops manager). Apparently he did, and from what I heard he got chewed out something fierce. Something I like to do is book my vacation WAY in advance. Like I've already booked a week off for early next year. If the time comes and suddenly we're "too busy", we'll sorry boss. You've already "approved" my "request".
Ricky is right. The Company doesn't own me so when I tell the boss I'm going to not be there for a week, it isn't a request. It's a notification that I'm going to be gone.
Thankfully as a trucker there’s no limit of vacation days it’s just advised not to use the vacation days too often as it could limit your loads because you look unreliable also we don’t get paid vacation days another draw back but if you time it right it can be pretty relaxing
that sounds like corporate BS to make you take less vacation time. where I work they like to push the same narrative with sick days before and after your weekend.
@@ignisdark And I`m not attacking you. just highly how similar it feels to the toxic psychological BS to discourage employees to take time off. similar to the ones I have to deal with in my job.
Reminds me when I had plans to go to a big concert with my friends on the other side of the country I live in. I had this vacation approved 6months in advance(company policy was at minimum a months notice). Now I already paid for my tickets and I paid for the hotel me and my friends were staying at ($300 for all of us and it was non refundable) day before I took off for my vacation my bosses told me my vacation was unapproved and canceled. I handed out my hands told them to pay back the $600ish I spent on getting my vacation ready. They said no I told them to get fucked and jump off the roof of where we worked. Employers shouldn't have any right telling you sweet fuck all about how to use vacations when I'm slaving most my life away at their job barely getting to see my family or friends.
4 months late but I have a story when I was working part time at Sam’s club they switch to the pro system and I needed a weekend off in August for a event. I used their vacation request 4 weeks in advance and got denied the next day. I talked to my manager about this and she said “we can’t have you talk weekends off”. I’m like “I only work weekends. I literally only work two days a week here and it’s not even a holiday weekend.” She said sorry but she can’t approve it. Literally said “you can use pto for any time you are late or sick and be fine but you are gonna deny vacation a month in advance.” Straight told her afterwards all this working with not time off is gonna weaken my immune system and naturally use sick time for that weekend it’s asinine.
I will quit any job the second they even consider denying a vacation day. I've always had the stance of I'm not asking for these days off I'm letting you know I won't be here and you can do whatever you want with the information. I personally can't believe their is an entire generation of workers that were so subservient to their bosses that they actually requested time off and didn't take it if their boss said no.
@@d.f.4918 you can not legally be fired for using your Vacation periods, and if you are, you are liable to serve your employer a lawsuit. Your. Job. Is. Not. In. Charge.
Ricky is right, when I put a request in its a courtesy. I will not be there the days I requested off. Approve them or don't. I don't care. I won't be there.
Or u use sick days n vacation whilst gone on sick leave,then take your vacation when u can as well but break it up n dont use if your behind n make your co workers short handed when on deadline unless pressure planned then ask how much overtime they had to pull whilst gone,lol.
In the USA you're legally required to be given time off. Some companies give more than others. The thing is, those companies only give you vacation days ONLY because they have to, but they don't want you to use them. An employee that isn't working, is an employee that isn't making money for the company, especially if its a paid vacation. So, many companies do everything they can to prevent employees from using those days. It's actually pretty common for companies to use illegal tactics to prevent you from using your vacation days. If you find yourself working at a company, that you NEVER seem to be getting a break from, and they always have an excuse as to why you can't go on vacation with the time off you EARNED, then its time for your to either find a new job, or look up national, as well as your state, laws on what companies are and are not allowed to do. You'd be surprised how many laws are broken on a regular basis by otherwise normal well functioning companies. Sometimes all you need to do to get them to straighten your case out, is threaten a call to the appropriate authorities. Though, you may want to watch your back from then on.
It's the benefit of being a good employee. They never deny middle management or shitty employees. Only deny the good ones they're making steady money on. I treat it as a notice. They can fire me when I show back up to work, and I'll take a nice paid vacation.
This is why I love my new job. Need to leave early one day? No problem see you tomorrow. Need to take a day off short notice. No problem. Need to come in late no problem. As long as we get our work done, which we are way a head of schedule as it is they don't care what we do. Way better than my last job that wrote me up for not being able to come in because a drunk driver totaled my car in my drive way at 3 in the morning and I couldn't get a rental until the next day and I wasn't paying $120 for a round trip uber ride.
Boss man and Ricky I thank you guys so much you guys made doing construction fun I'm actually going to go work for a construction company myself doing commercial framing thank you for great career choice much love and keep doing what you do
I tell my bosses like this. Every hour on this earth is MINE. If you are lucky enough to employ me, im exchanging a few of those hours for compensation. But if you EVER think you have control or ownership of any of my hours, i'll prove you wrong and pack up my box right now and you'll never see another hour of mine. There's always another shop down the road desperate for good workers, never settle for working for one that thinks your time is their property. Find one that lets you live a life with that money you work so hard for. It's the reason I became a machinist, for the freedom.
I usually try & give my job ample notice when I know Im going to be gone. And its exactly that...notice. I had a job years ago that I needed 1 day off. We didnt have vacation or sick days, you just went unpaid. I knew about it almost 2 weeks in advance. I told the boss & he said he wasnt sure if he could let me off. I told him if he schedules me, Im calling in so he has a week to figure it out.
As I’ve gotten older and appreciated the value of my services my way of requesting vacations has changed, and I have to thank a previous co-workers for this. “I am taking these days off in six months. I’m letting you know now I won’t be here. If there’s a problem I’ll be taking them off anyway and I hope I have a job when I get back.”
Damn straight! I had this argument last year with my boss, and guess what, I won. Cuz it was either let me have the days off or figure that shit out without me.
I've ran into some weirdness around this. My line is only allowed one person on vacation at a time (except first shift, they're sufficiently overstaffed to have two people off at a time), and it's based on who put in for it first. This leads to people putting in vacation 6+ months in advance, to make sure that they get the day.
So let me get this straight, I am GIVEN these days to use for a vacation, and when I choose to use them is not convenient for you, you can tell me I can’t use them. However, at the same time, if I don’t use them, depending on the employer’s policy, I either lose a vast majority of that time, or I’m reprimanded because they now have to pay me for all that unused time at the end of the year. Also, I planned this and notified y’all a month to a month and a half in advance so scheduling adjustments could be made to accommodate my absence, and you still found a way to deny it? That’s on you. Fortunately, my current employer is pretty good with approving vacation time provided it’s not during blackout dates and we give like a month advance notice (really just before the two weeks out for scheduling) and accommodating that absence. I get how for a lot of people though how it can be quite a hassle to take a week or two off.
A very large company tried this with some of our guys around St Patty's day. So we all called off on a Friday near the holiday out of spite. Only one single scab showed up out of everyone. I'm talking the journey men, foremans and even the general foreman. And you can bet we got rid of that scab on the first lay off. Till this day they have not attempted to deny a vacation.
The way I see it is Ricky was in the right. I earn my vacation time throughout the year. I'm gonna take my time off. They don't pay us for our vacation we don't take at the end of the year so....I'm not requesting anything. I'll fill out the form telling them they had better find someone to work in my place otherwise I'll see em when I get back
I asked my first general foreman if I could take off Friday- he said no and spun his chair around. He spun background and said- tell me you won't be here Friday- I did, and he said ok. He then gave me the best advice - tell me you won't be here Friday, don't ask because it will never be ok
I always give a 3 months advance for any full week vacations. I planned them as soon I get them at the turn of the calendar year. Work doesn't know what is coming up in the next 3 months, so they approve them.
There's only a few reasons they should ever have a right to deny it. Exception 1: insanely busy holidays tend to be first come serve basis if your business still needs to operate, and that I understand. exception 2. end of the year rush (of people trying to get under any vacation rollover hour cap) can cause first come first basis to take effect again. Exception 3. you don't give enough notice for them to get coverage, which can vary between businesses, my workplace schedules a whole month at a time, and all requests off have to be in by the 20th so they can get schedules and coverage figured out for anybody who wants time off
If a company doesn't have enough redundancy to cover its busiest projected time of year, then said company needs to hire and train more workers. There is no functional difference between the busiest day of the year and the slowest day of the year except for how many people are needed, and the lives and stresses of the existing employees don't stop just because of "the needs of the company".
@@MrMcSpiff i get where you're coming from. However there's a labor shortage right now. The company I work for IS hiring, but we're still short staffed across the board. Especially now that school has restarted. It's also an (actual) non-profit so "just raise the wage so people want to work there" isn't a super viable option
@@rabitwarior2 As long as they treat you well enough that you want to do the extra work and don't feel like you're being taken advantage of, that's the important part. I'm all for putting in extra for an honorable cause, but a lot of business are the farthest thing from.
I worked for a place that would only let you take your vacation in the months from November to April. You also couldn't take vacation at the same time as someone else in the department. It got really interesting when you had 5 guys trying to use up 3-4 weeks each in those 6 months.
I am with Ricky on this one. If I “request” a vacation 2 months ahead of time so I can attend my family reunion, then it is a notice. You can deny the “request”, but I am still going to go see my 89 year old grandparents. The question that needs to be answered is do you want to approve the “request” and move things around for a week or do you want to spend a few $1000s and months of time training a replacement?
pff. ten minutes with all the shit that goes on with construction companies. but this is like the third time he's used the vacation thing, he's running outta stuff
Ricky is right. and employers need to all collectively pull their heads out of their asses about how they treat employees. "Ask" for what I was promised. Lotta people get "sick" and need that beach therapy.
Aside from my first workplace (working night while going to school during the day), i've been a contract consultant so i only have one such story. I wanted the full 5 weeks off at the end of the year since i'd been denied during the summer (which they can do by union rules) and none in extra pay. They tried denying this as i was the only qualified programmer/ machine repairman who worked night. After getting a lawyer involved and sending a notarized letter to the legal team, it still took almost 2 months for them to acknowledge that i was in the right.
If I was the owner of a company and I saw/heard a manager saying this to someone or having this mindset I would tell him if it happens again he's gone. Treat your employees right and they will give you more and will actually care. Any basic system could easily fix any issues you would have with people missing and make a happier workforce at least if the following doesn't interfere with any labor laws. Have it where only a portion of your work force can take off for vacation at the exact same time be closed on major holidays and give holiday bonuses if you are closed or if you have to be open pay holiday pay to those who worked that day because you have to be open. Give 7 days of unpaid sick leave on top of the 7 days PTO per year and have it stack each year for a total of two years before it resets. Make it very clear PTO/ vacation is always approved unless the max people who can ask for PTO that week has already been hit and say they would have to use their sick days if they wanted off or tell them to postpone it by one week and it will be paid for, and the only requirement for PTO would be a two weeks notice and tell your employees to take a picture of evidence just in case they ever receive flak and have a number posted so they can reach out and inform you of a managers shenanigans of trying to deny of interfere with PTO. And if you really want to get into a good work practices then have 8 hour shifts but allow a 30 min paid lunch to be taken in the middle of their shifts. Then give mother's two weeks of paid maternity leave that can be stacked with their PTO or unpaid sick leave. On top of that give raises based on the amount of good quality work an employee does and it should cause employees to have a drive to do more higher quality work because they get rewarded for it and know they are treated right at your company and should make them more loyal to your business.
Yeah they act like you didn't work to get those days. It's good to notify well in advance and get it in writing it's been approved in case they try to change their minds... If they don't approve it then take it anyways. My stepdad had a week of his vacation get "cancelled". He just ignored it and pretended like he didn't know.
But again; why tf is that my problem or responsibility? The entire crew is gone? I guess it fucking sucks to be you boss man, get in there yourself for once and do some actual work lol i don’t understand why we’re supposed to care?
Isn't that funny in the USA? You have to "request to take vacation" on days you are promised. Almost like you really don't own yourself and the company owns you by holding your financial stability (and that of family) in their greedy, selfish hands. In theory they could just deny your vacation days until ... oopps ... out of days in the year.
This is common worldwide. Also, many companies allow for the accrual of personal days year over year - so you don't lose them if you end the year not using them. What you described is also a violation of labor laws so, no, that doesn't commonly happen even at companies that don't allow year over year accrual.
I’m the same way and even more so in my case, which is just taking an unpaid day every once in a while with 14+ days notice, usually so I can see my family which I only get to about 5 times a year. You can schedule me but I will not be showing up.
funniest sh!@ is when they hit you with the smug *"well it won't be paid"* 🤓 "oh that's okay ...just fyi ill be giving notice for another mini vacation on the " 😂😂 and they just deflate
Ya rickys right on this. If vacation days are part of my payment for working then I get to use them as I see fit. What’s next my job gets to tell me where and on what I can spend my paycheck? No! It’s a notice not a request.
I agree with Ricky same people book out same holidays every year I had to book this Christmas nearly a year and a half ago I have requested other days they get denied every time but apparently I have to many vacation days saved up and need to take some but they keep saying no when I ask
that's why i'm glad that in England holiday days are a notification, you don't request them, you pick the days you want off and place them on the work calendar so those in charge know to prepare for your absence
I used to work at a place Tuesday through Saturday. They couldn't get enough permanent staff for Saturday so they rotated M-F people in. So when I tried to schedule time off, they would never give me the Saturday, just like I was a regular M-F person (cuz you're not allowed to skip out of the rotation). The many times I called off *cough cough* those Saturdays in the middle of an event or trip... lol
I’m with Ricky on this one. Holiday forms are a polite notification, not a request. I don’t care if you approve, it’s paid for and I’m going.
Just remember, you're working there of your own volition. If you want to leave at any time, you're free to do so. They could fire you, but they can't ever force you to work against your will.
@@auxchar they can force you to work if they hold a gun to ur head
Site manager: we don't pay overtime, you earn comp time and you can just use those first instead of pulling vacation hours (or sick hours if you want.)
I spent 3 hours after the end of Monday shift because his nephew broke a water line and "we" fixed it;
I showed him how I fixed it.
I told Site manager the next afternoon I would be leaving 3 hrs early Friday.
He thought he was being clever saying:
Leave early 5 minutes every day until the 3 hours are gone, that way we won't miss you... ohh...
and you'll still get the time back.
I gave him the are you really that stupid look,
"You wouldn't you do that with your time!"
🤔 A light bulb went off for him 💡
"Ok So this Friday?
Have a good weekend."
@@copcuffs9973 damn I miss comp time. When I worked landscaping, I would bank the hell out of comp time. Anything over 45 hrs. I would just take comp time. That way Uncle Sam doesn't screw you as bad.
@@auxchar just remember you are licker of boots
One time I had a vacation to Germany planned for 6 months and put in a request for 2 weeks of vacation for the trip and my boss and his boss both approved it. A week before the trip I went in to make sure my boss remembered and told him I had everything lined out for when I was gone. He told me there was no way I was taking off for 2 weeks so I told him to follow me. We walked straight to his bosses office and his boss told me to enjoy my vacation while telling my boss to deal with me being gone for 2 weeks.
Ah bosses. So my last boss decided he was not coming back to work until the end of pandemic. So for two years he has been sitting at home doing his job on the computer while i have been doing the physical aspect of his job.
So I wanted time off like you did. My bosses boss told him he would have to come into work. He refused. On the zoom call I was part of he was informed his services were nolonger required. That I would be getting a substantial pay raise to handle the physical end and the paperwork would be done by two administrative assistants who would go from part time to fulltime.
He was, I will be in on Monday. As his boss said yes, you will be in to turn in your company laptop, phone and car. They turned his phone off, internet access and email off during the zoom call.
@@SuperWagner23 Savage.
It is so nice hearing about employers who value the employees that actually do the work for them.
Lol very nice
@@SuperWagner23 that's one way to skin a goose
I'm with Ole Breadstick on this one. If I tell you a month In advance I'm taking a vacation, it is NOT a request. It is most definitely a notification
And then they mark you as a call off those days since it was denied....
@@bobdole4949 Management would have a month to figure out coverage for that requested vacation time. It's not that hard to schedule accordingly. Management often just decides they don't want to do it because it is extra work.
@@bobdole4949 as someone who very rarely even calls out sick or takes a day off in general. If I tell you 4 months in advance I’m going on vacation. It’s not a request. It’s me saying. I’m not gonna be here and you have ample time to shift the schedule around just like you do when someone else goes on vacation. Also where I used to work would wait until the week before to tell you if they denied or approved it so after months of not being told anything they said ah no. And I told my manager I’m not gonna be here on x day and if that’s an issue we can take this to the cage. Suddenly it wasn’t an issue and I worked there for a few more months before I went to a different job
@@laurent3415 if there are no bodies to cover it because of staffing shortages, even if it's a month or two in advanced, doesn't mean they can magically produce a body. This is highly dependent on the type of work you do / where you work though. The type of work OP does, there are multiple people at one site, but when it's the type of job where you have one person at each location and multiple locations, sometimes there's nothing you can do
@@reasonableq419 depending on the type work you do, things could vary greatly, I get it. What happens if you requested that time off and 2 other people requested that time off already and were approved? Still call off / not show up?
His logic is flawless.
💯
oddly yes
Disagree, those vacation days aren’t “given” they’re “earned”. That’s an important distinction.
Makes perfect sense to me 👍🏼
@@Mike-hp3et I “earn” my paycheck. But hr can’t just decide I don’t get mine come payday.
Had this conversation before boss told me "just because you requested don't mean it was approved" so politely I told him "just because I'm scheduled don't mean I'm gonna show up!" Best 4th of July ever...
Were you fired?
@@spencervance8484 nope
@@MrSmoker2003 good for you mate.
@@MrSmoker2003 GIVE THIS MAN A BEER
When boss said 'I saw pictures of you on the beach' I was expecting Ricky to respond with his doctor telling him he had a few days to live so he lived it up and got better
I liked the actual reply more though. That was gold. 👌
Protip #2: If you are so critical that your absence breaks the process, then you are valuable enough for them to listen when you need time off.
If you're so valuable that it's near impossible for you to get time off. You need a fuckin raise.
We had a incident when 47 telecommunications workers were constantly denied vacation for 3 years straight. Everyone had 6 weeks of vacation time that we had to take or lose them. And we could not cash it out. So from the middle of November to the end of December the company was forced into shutdown.
When everyone returned to work we were fired for not working. Until attorneys showed up with A subpoenas and court documents. Then all of a sudden we received all back payments and calls to come back to work.
Me I found a better job working for the company that contracted my old company to do complete tear down and rebuilds of the telecommunications infrastructure.
Yep.
I do believe I actually read an article about that
Fuck that employer.
WAIT! WAIT! They FIRED YOU! F'd themselves over, AND THEN TRIED TO GET YOU TO WORK FOR THEM AGAIN??? XD
Nice, fuck those assholes
"My doctor recommended vitamin D, so I went and got some."😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I recall years ago when a production guy came up to the the shift foreman on a Thursday asking for the next day off to buy a car. The foreman was short handed and said if he had any notice he could call in someone so "no you can't have tomorrow off". "In fact if you don't show up Friday, don't bother coming back Monday". The guy thought a second and said "okay". He never worked there again.
LOL, We are SO short handed that I can not accommodate your time off request AND I am gonna fire you if you leave anyway.
I am betting that they were so happy to be even shorter handed on Monday that they decided to take it out on the other guys still working.
@@Mustangofold Back then it wasn't hard to find a guy that could stack boards or use a shovel so he wasn't really missed. The last couple years were tougher to find anyone that would push a broom. The plant just shut down after being bought by a corporation of bean counters and safety guys just like the one Ricky and Roscoe have to deal with.
I would've given him a "I'm so sorry boss, I understand" and go hop on the other job
Yup. I'm 100% with Ricky on this. It's not a REQUEST, I'm TELLING you I'm taking a vacation.
Same
They can probably tell you to find a new job too. We usually plan vacations months in advance, if there are conflicting times, we usually work it out amongts ourselves and the people with higher seniority get first dibs. If there are too many people off one week you shouldn't be able to just "TELL" your supervisor you're also not going to be there unless you had that week picked in advanced and approved.
@@asamanatananana yes you can because they GAVE you vacation days. if they didn't want people to take vacations they could take those days away and make them request off.
@@asamanatananana they could fire you yes, but, if they did, they'd be breaching their own formal contract they made with you, about allowing you to have a certain amount of vacation days in a year. And if you fire them for using those vacation days after they notified you about the time off we'll in advance, they can quite easily be on trouble for it, and if they didn't pay for the vacation days, if that's how the contract went, then they could be sued for the amount of money you'd have required
@@spitfiremanlizerd Actually it's not really legal to deny vacation days you have earned. Get with the times.
This is where companies shot themselves in the foot by combining vacation and sick days into the all-encompassing PTO. So now if my vacation request gets denied I'm suddenly sick for a week and there's nothing they can do about it because the law says I can take my PTO whenever I want.
Yeah. I got wrote up and then let go for that very reason. I had 2 medical issues pop up and both times the Doctor told me to stay home for a week. My boss told me that even though I had pto, I was not allowed to use pto whenever. It actually turned out to be a very good time to leave the company. I got a new job that paid double and I enjoyed working a lot more!
Yep.
The law? Here in America we are at will employees and yes they can fire us but if you want off bad enough take off. Right now there aren’t enough willing participants in the work force to fill the jobs in the 5 companies democrats didn’t finish off yet.
@@birddogne666 Better Pay will do that for ya
@@308dad8 I mean technically yes, but not for an illegal reason, like reporting a safety violation or something. I mean the economy is booming, job growth and labor participation has never been higher, but sure,
The funniest version of this is when management or whatever tells you your acquiring too many holidays, basically orders you to take a week off, then denies your holiday request form
That is when you ask for a meeting and ask them to clarify their mixed signals. If they deny your holidays but still want you to use them, how the fuck are you going to square that circle? Some outfits allow you to cash them out, but not all.
Agree 100. I almost never take vacations, but the one time I did I put the days in months in advance to go to austria to ski. Then a week before i leave they said I can't go because they just decided to do trainings i needed to help lead.
So I did what I had to.
Those ski runs were awesome.
I can confirm this is exactly how us workers and our boss treat vacation days. We call them sick of the shit days
Perfecto!😉
My old job was like that, i got denied so many days, so one when i was on vacation at the lake, i stayed an extra week, told my boss the day before i was set to be back that i was going to need to stay an extra few days, she was cool about it, but her boss was pissed. He later became my boss when she left the company so that sucked. But she was cool as hell. My current boss is awesome. I tell him i need to take a pto day hes cool with it as long as i get my shit done.
I am stealing that. Mental health excuses are wearing thin everytime the office fucks up, which is 5 times a day dealing with autocad guys.
I've actually had this happen and my response was: "What are you gonna do? Fire me? Like I said, I tell you when I'll be taking my days and you accept it, if you don't like it, complain to someone else." Needless to say it was never mentioned again. Ricky is absolutely right on this one, and one more word out of supervisor will get a quote w/o notice on the worst possible day I could manage.
Source: Veteran
Worked for a company that used seniority in approving vacation. Waited for my jerk of a boss to apply and get approval. Then applied for the same days. Loved seeing his vacation approval cancelled due to low seniority.
Oh, that is some savage trolling...
That is magnificently mean.
I aspire to this level of pettiness
If I'm putting in for a vacation day or a day off, it's really a notice that you should expect me to not fucking be there... because I'm not gonna be there.
I had a supervisor that tried that shit one time. I emailed the "request" in, he emailed back "denied", I emailed back that it wasn't a request and I wasn't asking, more letting him know that I wouldn't be working... and I included his manager and his manager's manager on the email.
I received two emails in return:
The first was from his manager saying "approved".
The second was from him saying "my bad".
Rickey is 100% right on this. My vacation request is actually a vacation advisory. I'm advising the company to figure out how to cover me while I'm gone.
Yo I'm with Ricky on this 100%
The fact that you need to send in a request to use you're alloted days and you could get denied. Is ridiculous.
So if I planned out a whole 2 week vacation in advance to fly over to Italy and then I get my request denied, I guess I just spent a couple thousand dollars for nothing.
So pretty much asking for vacation days is like asking your mom if you could visit a friend's house.
Its like asking your mom to visit a friends house when youre an adult and live on your own.
It's even worse when they say "you have to use them or you lose them", but then they sit there and bullshit you with "you can't use them for 11 months out of the year because reasons" and always deny them.
Where my mom works, they pull that shit all the time.
There was one time i put a vacation request a month ahead of time. A couple days before i was supposed to go i got a call saying because this one guy in management didnt get the vacation request on his desk my trip was denied. I informed him that i gave the company a month in advance. They ended up letting me go on that vacation.
They did mix up the days of when i was supposed to return though.
"Enough day dreaming time to come into work at 3 today."
"Well sir, thats going to be hard to do since im on the other side of the continent and my plane leaves at 5."
Oh. See you you tomorrow then.
First of all, I take it you've never gotten off the "floor", so to speak. Try keeping production up in July because everyone wanted a vacation during the summer, see how the fuck that goes. I see a lot of people bitching over managment when they've never tried it for themselves, so I'd suggest you suck it the fuck up until you've actually walked a mile in their shoes. Nobody is forcing you to work; you can leave at any time, you're not a fucking slave. BUT, and this is a big one, shit can't go down the way you'd like them to every fucking time, because the fucking company still needs to make a profit to KEEP YOU EMPLOYED. You give some, you take some, because at the end of the fucking day, you're part of a TEAM.
Don't like it? Go freelancing, work whenever the fuck you like, and live with the paycheck you end up with.
You usally make sure its ok before you spend money bruh
I had a planned and approved week vacation that i gave notice for 9 months in advance. Three days before i was supposed to start my vacation i was told that there was no way id be able to take my vacation because i was the PM on a job. So i told the managers that a really appreciated the job and the money ive made but that i quit. They asked me why i was quitting. I told them that when i leave to start vacation that it would be exactly 372 days since i had a day off. So i was out. They told me to enjoy my vacation and they would see me when i got back. I was planning on not going back. Halfway through my vacation they sent me an email saying that i could extend my vacation and additional week and that it wouldnt cost me any additional vacation time. They paid me as if i was there and i got a raise. So i stayed with the company another 2.5 years.
They realized they royaly fucked that one up-
You're lucky, most companies try to push the blame on the worker and will only begrudgingly "comp'' you if you really fight it.
@@derpsquad3306 I mean, assuming this moron did in fact work over a year straight, he does deserve all the blame possible. I mean, I get wanting that OT, but hell my company wouldn't let me work more than 12 days straight even if I wanted to.
@@jamesmcdonnell2455 how does he deserve all the blame?
And then everybody clapped, or some shit like that. 372 days huh? Dedicated employee right there. Fuck the holiday season right!!! Come with me, and you'll see, a world filled with OSHA violations...🎼
When I retired from the army I told my employer I had 21 years worth of deer seasons to catch up on and I will not be at work from 10-20 November. Ever. It’s never been an issue
Ahh... St.Antler's day. We just gave in and closed the schools....
@@kward2031 I love West Virginia.
Theory why Ricky has not been fired.
1. He's a deep undercover boss
2. He is related to the owner of the company
3. He is a fan favorite (best one)
I think the Boss n Ricky are having an affair and the safety man feels left out.
Or Ricky is secretly reliable in his own way. Like when he's on location the job gets done.. maybe not to safety spec, or standard, but hes the guy you send when you need a turd polished and somehow.... he makes it shine.
Because they are short staffed and they need him more than Ricky needs them
4.) They are painfully understaffed and Ricky is productive when he is working
5. He's actually off the clock 😂
You earn vacation days, you should take them when you want by giving notice. Not begging for time off.
While working for a municipal fire department for 20+ years, we were permitted 2 personal leave days a year. When requests are submitted 30+ days out from the day, seniority rules. Less than 30 days, first come, first serve. Less than 48 hours, it has be an emergency. Finally, only 4 people are permitted to be off on personal day requests per shift( not notice). Oh the rules and hoops one had to jump through if time was truly needed off. Glad I don't deal with that craziness anymore now that I've retired. Vacation time is is picked in November/December for the entire following year.
Absolutely agree, and well using sick days for a needed you day for your sanity,as long as your not on deadline n leaving co workers short handed as well, I mean if you pull your weight n dont overly abuse it I never had any trouble with vacation days or sick days were I worked,my employer had his business we buy n sell n process medicinal herbs and botanicals for export to china n Korea n such,ginseng and such as well as to companies that sell vitamins and teas such as goldenseal or yellow root, as well as laxative and weight loss teas n vitamins at wal mart n dollar general n such places as well as to due comparison and wild cherry bark for incense companies and rat poison companies because the bark is basically cyanide poison in concentrated resin or sap byproducts. Anyways 4 employees me buying from collectors selling it for a living and cleaning and drying the products as well as weight n packaging for sell n transport, whilst he drove cross country buying in locations in Mass from ppl who doesn't have local dealers or have substantial amounts, anywaysafter pay n overhead the first yrs of business he cleared 200k,the following year after I was hired he cleared al.ost 700k,me him n a helper to help me process at 12 dollars a hour,me 15,cash no taxes unfortunately, the way it worked out if you made 20 n hour with taxes withheld,it worked out to same pay rate for me,anyways in 3 yrs he made enough to buy n remodel a dream home for his wife with 188 acres to build new warehouses and stuff 7rs in and some times 70 hours a week,15 or 18 hours days something even on sundays in order er to process n fill our orders fro Chinese exporter,just 4 of us building his house and warehouse as well as working regularly, I only took a day for myself twice n any other time I just enjoy working cause I was newly divorced and had wild unfortunate tendencies to drink or do the recreational drugs around so I kept my nose clean n invested 9 yrs of my life making him a very rich man,in hindsite I could've competed and ran my own business, point is dont work your life away to build something for someone else,do it for yourself, and well vacation n sick days are separate and at your discretion, not there's, do u n enjoy the vacation, its always well deserved.
@@andrewcrider7148 I feel like I’ve been working 3 yrs making someone else rich too…….. it’s time to change
Asked for time to go to Sturgis bike week. Told I didn't have the time. HR was in meeting so she said I do. Boss said I WAS NOT GOING. I quit. Sent pics back. They can't figure out why 70% have quit in last year
I hardly took vacations so my vaction days kept rollin over... by doing that any time in wanted to take one i never had a issue no matter what kind of notice i gave 1 second notice was fine lol when i finally changed careers i had a check for 5k just for vaca days i never used on top of 1k of sick days i never used ... next job treated me just as nice again hardly took time off and hardly ever was sick so was able to take time off pretty much when ever i wanted to. Even got a nice raise in a big rescission
Had a supervisor try to pull this shit on me. They had the audacity to try to call me during my younger brother's birthday party and left messages asking why I never showed. I straight up told them they were given *plenty* of notice given that the time off was in December and I put on for it in February, and turned my phone off for the rest of the day.
They cut my hours the next week and tried to give me shit for it, but the thing about being the guy that lives 10 minutes away and can do pretty much everything is that you wind up getting called in when someone doesn't show. Head supervisor wasn't happy about that and basically told the other supervisors that I was at the bottom of the priority list for call ins from now on. That only lasted a week before they were calling me in themself. Turns out he didn't like the surge in the supervisors' OT that decision caused.
I changed the wording to sound like a different job, but this is pretty much what it's like to work in fast food and retail. Cutting my hours and preventing shift managers from calling me in was an attempt to force me to quit that didn't work at all. That shit happens all the time
10 months of notice? And they still did that? Disgraceful.
a job i used to work tried that with me. assistant shift mgr tried cutting my hours to 0 for a two week period without notice a couple hours before my shift was supposed to start. I ended up nearly calling their boss' boss and suddenly right as i was about to press call right in front of the asst mgr, suddenly my schedule was being put back in.
it's known as "constructive firing" and it tends to be illegal.
So amazing! I LOVE this content.. so applicable across the blue collar spectrum!
Unfortunately this is exactly how I got fired from my old job... we are somehow unreplaceable and completely replaceable at the same time.
If you live in North America; it was illegal for them to fire you for this
@@skelitonking117 they played their little games so that technically they didn't fire me for that.
Exactly. I hate this thinking. I work at burger king cuz I made so e bad choices in my past, but my manager caused me to find another place to work. We have an extra part of our job where someone gets paid to clean the broiler, filter and change the oil from the fryers and clean the fry station and get the floors real nice. It pays about 50 extra a night flat rate that gets added to your check. So say you do 4 nights that's 200 more on your check. In a crappy job that actually brings your paychecks closer to management levels without the extra headaches. Well thanks to the recent health issues people were leaving but my manager wasn't even trying to hire anyone. So she changed my hours that I had to work. Now this extra thing is called porter. Porter work can only really be done once the store closed. I went from working whatever to close usually 3 to close and porter to 11 to 8, and gotta wait a few hours to porter. I cannot just get 2 hours of sleep and get back up. So I'd be forced to wait which I did by bringing my PS4 to work. But over time I started getting more and more exhausted. I would sleep all day on my days off. It wasn't healthy. So I asked to get a few porter days off that she should try to get another porter or full close. I was doing 5 days of porter a week. She basically told me she couldn't. But here's the thing, I am the best porter she's ever had and she didn't want anyone else cuz they just don't care like I did. So I applied for dairy queen and got hired there. I was literally being overworked by her, and she kept demanding I do this or that extra for me type thing and I would. But I had enough if she wasn't going to realize that she was already expecting way more out of me than anyone else that I was unreplaceable. But then love to shove in my face that I am just so I do more. It drove me nuts. So I left. She was forced to find more porters cuz shocker no managers wanted to stay an extra hour or two to clean the store with the closer. I did eventually come back cuz of issues but shortly after I went from no porter to 5. It proved my point that no one else will do it as well as I did it. I am in the process of trying to go do FedEx. Alot of places won't hire me though due to some last issue. I hope I get it cuz I'm tired of fast food. Way too toxic. We're expected to do so much so fast in so little time between cars for the measly checks we get. Seriously fast food should be paid more
@@richardhall1060 I worked fast food and put in no effort, the checks kept going in anyway. I think it just depends on where you go to work.
Honestly I think bosses expect you to use vacation days for days you are rained out and sitting at home or when work is slow. It seems unbelievable to them that you might have a niece getting married in another state or want to see Iceland.
A lot of places have 'vacation' that expires. If you don't use it, you lose it. So there is always a reason they deny you.
@@cleverusernamenexttime2779 The company I work for used to roll over vacation time, then a bunch of people started stockpiling it and taking off 2 or 3 months at a time. Now it's use it or lose it.
@@explosionsandstuff7787 I could see using two weeks maybe. But why would someone take three months off and expect to still have a spot? If I know I'm going to be shorthanded for three months, I'm looking for a replacement.
@@cleverusernamenexttime2779 Close to 1/3 of the employees are immigrants, and they'd leave the country to go visit their family for months at a time. Legally, the company couldn't do anything to stop them or fire them for it, because it's vacation time. That's why they changed the policy.
Never use vacation days in summer is what they want. You kmow the only time of year where you want to vacation.
A while I had 2 Vacation days scheduled, I took the first, then on the second I woke up to a dozen phone calls from my boss. So I called him up and before I got a word in he was shouting and threatening me to come in. It turns out he erased my name off the vacation Callender because nobody wanted to cover for me (or needed to). As you can imagine, I walked right to hr, and told them to make it right or I'll call a attorney. I was given a extra day Vacation and one good swing at the weasel
Rickey is definitely right here. He even went as far as to scratch out request and write in notice. It doesn't get any clearer than that.
🤣🤣🤣 I agree with Ricky it's never a good time to take vacation wen you're a valued employee 😂 I was sick last time too boss
Had a boss pull this with me when my wife was having a baby and I wanted 5 days off so I could be in the hospital with her.
Alpha energy
I get paid paternity leave separate from sick/vacation.
FMLA covers being there with your spose when they are giving birth and a few days after, if you are hourly and have full time employment.
@@KnightsWithoutATable that only covers companies with over 50 employees.
I'm with Ricky on this. If I sign a vacation slip, I'm not asking for permission, I'm TELLING you I'm GOING on vacation. I do so a month to a month and a half ahead of time so you can figure it out and have no cause to refuse me, avoiding all of the butt hurt and dramatic nonsense in the process.
I once gave a request a month out. A couple days before the vacation, i got a call from one of the managers saying he didnt get my vacation request.
They ended up giving me my vacation.
@@spencervance8484 This is why I make sure to always send them the physical copy, a text with a photo, and an email with a scan. Try not seeing that!
I'm with Ricky on this one, ain't nobody telling me when I can use the vacation time I earned!
We have the same "misunderstanding" at work. Where I work we use a calendar system. Any one taking time off gets written in on the calendar. If the week is open on the calendar, then by my union contract they can't deny me that time. So it IS a notification that im taking MY TIME off that I worked hard for. There's no approval necessary at that point, peace out, see you in a week.
Glad NY has actual laws on Vacation Days and Sick Days. Fact is, Vacation days aren't even recognized by law federally and in most states. And sick days aren't protected by federal law, despite what people want to believe. Fact of the matter is, yes, they can fire you for taking a vacation, even if they approve it; There's nothing in the laws saying they can't. Save in NY, where yes, it is a notification, not a request.
Once had an operations manager tell me that I can use my vacation days whenever I want for whatever reason. So I submitted my form, and then my super tried to tell me I couldn't go. So I explained to him that I wasn't going to be in for work on those days regardless, so if it became an issue he could discuss it with his boss (the ops manager). Apparently he did, and from what I heard he got chewed out something fierce.
Something I like to do is book my vacation WAY in advance. Like I've already booked a week off for early next year. If the time comes and suddenly we're "too busy", we'll sorry boss. You've already "approved" my "request".
What Ricky took was weather days,
Took them weather they liked it or not.
Ricky is right. The Company doesn't own me so when I tell the boss I'm going to not be there for a week, it isn't a request. It's a notification that I'm going to be gone.
Thankfully as a trucker there’s no limit of vacation days it’s just advised not to use the vacation days too often as it could limit your loads because you look unreliable also we don’t get paid vacation days another draw back but if you time it right it can be pretty relaxing
So the same thing with extra steps?
I get vacation days
that sounds like corporate BS to make you take less vacation time. where I work they like to push the same narrative with sick days before and after your weekend.
I’m not saying it’s good but I literally don’t need to give much notice plus I don’t mind because I save up so I can afford the time
@@ignisdark And I`m not attacking you. just highly how similar it feels to the toxic psychological BS to discourage employees to take time off. similar to the ones I have to deal with in my job.
Reminds me when I had plans to go to a big concert with my friends on the other side of the country I live in. I had this vacation approved 6months in advance(company policy was at minimum a months notice). Now I already paid for my tickets and I paid for the hotel me and my friends were staying at ($300 for all of us and it was non refundable) day before I took off for my vacation my bosses told me my vacation was unapproved and canceled. I handed out my hands told them to pay back the $600ish I spent on getting my vacation ready. They said no I told them to get fucked and jump off the roof of where we worked. Employers shouldn't have any right telling you sweet fuck all about how to use vacations when I'm slaving most my life away at their job barely getting to see my family or friends.
I literally just told my boss the same thing a week ago ! Three months in advance and still tired to tell me that wouldn’t work I laughed
Yeah there is no asking, only notifications for me
4 months late but I have a story when I was working part time at Sam’s club they switch to the pro system and I needed a weekend off in August for a event. I used their vacation request 4 weeks in advance and got denied the next day.
I talked to my manager about this and she said “we can’t have you talk weekends off”. I’m like “I only work weekends. I literally only work two days a week here and it’s not even a holiday weekend.” She said sorry but she can’t approve it. Literally said “you can use pto for any time you are late or sick and be fine but you are gonna deny vacation a month in advance.” Straight told her afterwards all this working with not time off is gonna weaken my immune system and naturally use sick time for that weekend it’s asinine.
I will quit any job the second they even consider denying a vacation day. I've always had the stance of I'm not asking for these days off I'm letting you know I won't be here and you can do whatever you want with the information.
I personally can't believe their is an entire generation of workers that were so subservient to their bosses that they actually requested time off and didn't take it if their boss said no.
The problem is you can get fired for this so it's not subservience it's trying to make sure you don't get evicted because you can't pay your rent.
@@d.f.4918 you can not legally be fired for using your Vacation periods, and if you are, you are liable to serve your employer a lawsuit. Your. Job. Is. Not. In. Charge.
@@skelitonking117 which is why they use a different reason to fire peeps
@@skelitonking117 except unemployed people can't go to court
@@skelitonking117 Unless you live in a place where employment is "at will" (i.e. most states in the US).
Honest this is part of the reason I left a company after 16 years. Funny thing was Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday’s weee always open.
Ricky is right, when I put a request in its a courtesy. I will not be there the days I requested off. Approve them or don't. I don't care. I won't be there.
Wait so 64 days off total? Shoot that's pretty darn good
No you use a vacation day as a sick day.
Or u use sick days n vacation whilst gone on sick leave,then take your vacation when u can as well but break it up n dont use if your behind n make your co workers short handed when on deadline unless pressure planned then ask how much overtime they had to pull whilst gone,lol.
Maybe thank a union member. They have fought for years for benefits that many of us all enjoy.
Don't forget the 13 Federal Holidays too.
Your clips always make me laugh when I'm having such a crappy day "I Love Ricky" ❤️🤗
That’s what gets me about some places, what’s the point of giving vacation days if it’s a pain in the butt to get the time off?
In the USA you're legally required to be given time off. Some companies give more than others. The thing is, those companies only give you vacation days ONLY because they have to, but they don't want you to use them. An employee that isn't working, is an employee that isn't making money for the company, especially if its a paid vacation. So, many companies do everything they can to prevent employees from using those days. It's actually pretty common for companies to use illegal tactics to prevent you from using your vacation days. If you find yourself working at a company, that you NEVER seem to be getting a break from, and they always have an excuse as to why you can't go on vacation with the time off you EARNED, then its time for your to either find a new job, or look up national, as well as your state, laws on what companies are and are not allowed to do. You'd be surprised how many laws are broken on a regular basis by otherwise normal well functioning companies. Sometimes all you need to do to get them to straighten your case out, is threaten a call to the appropriate authorities. Though, you may want to watch your back from then on.
It's the benefit of being a good employee. They never deny middle management or shitty employees. Only deny the good ones they're making steady money on.
I treat it as a notice. They can fire me when I show back up to work, and I'll take a nice paid vacation.
Love the idea of leaving a sticky note... YOU FUCKERS WILL FIGURE IT OUT
I'm on vacation for 13 days, right now and my foreman will be just like that 🤣🤣🤣 God I love Callender requests!
This is why I love my new job. Need to leave early one day? No problem see you tomorrow. Need to take a day off short notice. No problem. Need to come in late no problem. As long as we get our work done, which we are way a head of schedule as it is they don't care what we do. Way better than my last job that wrote me up for not being able to come in because a drunk driver totaled my car in my drive way at 3 in the morning and I couldn't get a rental until the next day and I wasn't paying $120 for a round trip uber ride.
What job is that accomadating?
@@spencervance8484 I'm welder
I need to know where this is
Boss man and Ricky I thank you guys so much you guys made doing construction fun I'm actually going to go work for a construction company myself doing commercial framing thank you for great career choice much love and keep doing what you do
I tell my bosses like this. Every hour on this earth is MINE. If you are lucky enough to employ me, im exchanging a few of those hours for compensation. But if you EVER think you have control or ownership of any of my hours, i'll prove you wrong and pack up my box right now and you'll never see another hour of mine. There's always another shop down the road desperate for good workers, never settle for working for one that thinks your time is their property. Find one that lets you live a life with that money you work so hard for. It's the reason I became a machinist, for the freedom.
Always hilarious... 🤔 Got me thinking these shorts are always great, but what would a 2-hour movie of this look like? 😝🤣👍
I usually try & give my job ample notice when I know Im going to be gone. And its exactly that...notice. I had a job years ago that I needed 1 day off. We didnt have vacation or sick days, you just went unpaid. I knew about it almost 2 weeks in advance. I told the boss & he said he wasnt sure if he could let me off. I told him if he schedules me, Im calling in so he has a week to figure it out.
As I’ve gotten older and appreciated the value of my services my way of requesting vacations has changed, and I have to thank a previous co-workers for this. “I am taking these days off in six months. I’m letting you know now I won’t be here. If there’s a problem I’ll be taking them off anyway and I hope I have a job when I get back.”
Damn straight! I had this argument last year with my boss, and guess what, I won. Cuz it was either let me have the days off or figure that shit out without me.
I cannot explain how much I enjoyed this, and will 100% use this argument in future situations.
I've ran into some weirdness around this. My line is only allowed one person on vacation at a time (except first shift, they're sufficiently overstaffed to have two people off at a time), and it's based on who put in for it first.
This leads to people putting in vacation 6+ months in advance, to make sure that they get the day.
So let me get this straight, I am GIVEN these days to use for a vacation, and when I choose to use them is not convenient for you, you can tell me I can’t use them. However, at the same time, if I don’t use them, depending on the employer’s policy, I either lose a vast majority of that time, or I’m reprimanded because they now have to pay me for all that unused time at the end of the year.
Also, I planned this and notified y’all a month to a month and a half in advance so scheduling adjustments could be made to accommodate my absence, and you still found a way to deny it? That’s on you.
Fortunately, my current employer is pretty good with approving vacation time provided it’s not during blackout dates and we give like a month advance notice (really just before the two weeks out for scheduling) and accommodating that absence. I get how for a lot of people though how it can be quite a hassle to take a week or two off.
i love how at my work, leave cant be denyed unless its for a good reason. ie right before xmas or easter etc or stupidly short-staffed etc
Glad we got that cleared up quick!
This is EXACTLY how I've ALWAYS viewed this situation. If you want me to put in a "request" fine. But understand, I want be here in those days.
How I treat my work lmaoooo
I love these videos
Noti gang! Love your videos man!
Definitely agree. I had the courtesy to fill out that paper and let you know I'm not going to be there. You should plan accordingly.
A very large company tried this with some of our guys around St Patty's day. So we all called off on a Friday near the holiday out of spite. Only one single scab showed up out of everyone. I'm talking the journey men, foremans and even the general foreman. And you can bet we got rid of that scab on the first lay off. Till this day they have not attempted to deny a vacation.
Great when ppl stick together
@@nickabel8279 wish it would happen more
Big corp fucks you over so you group up and fuck over the "scab", y'all complain about your bosses but you seem to be learning a lot from them.
The way I see it is Ricky was in the right. I earn my vacation time throughout the year. I'm gonna take my time off. They don't pay us for our vacation we don't take at the end of the year so....I'm not requesting anything. I'll fill out the form telling them they had better find someone to work in my place otherwise I'll see em when I get back
I asked my first general foreman if I could take off Friday- he said no and spun his chair around. He spun background and said- tell me you won't be here Friday- I did, and he said ok. He then gave me the best advice - tell me you won't be here Friday, don't ask because it will never be ok
I always give a 3 months advance for any full week vacations. I planned them as soon I get them at the turn of the calendar year. Work doesn't know what is coming up in the next 3 months, so they approve them.
Ricky and dirtbag private from Angry Cops would make the best of friends. Both are epic shammers 🤣👍
Did u ever figure out what ur wife called u outside for that one time
This is awesome. Great job
"My doctor recommended I get some vitamin D, so I went and got some." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What's the point of having vacation days if they tell u when. Fuck that
There's only a few reasons they should ever have a right to deny it. Exception 1: insanely busy holidays tend to be first come serve basis if your business still needs to operate, and that I understand. exception 2. end of the year rush (of people trying to get under any vacation rollover hour cap) can cause first come first basis to take effect again. Exception 3. you don't give enough notice for them to get coverage, which can vary between businesses, my workplace schedules a whole month at a time, and all requests off have to be in by the 20th so they can get schedules and coverage figured out for anybody who wants time off
If a company doesn't have enough redundancy to cover its busiest projected time of year, then said company needs to hire and train more workers. There is no functional difference between the busiest day of the year and the slowest day of the year except for how many people are needed, and the lives and stresses of the existing employees don't stop just because of "the needs of the company".
@@MrMcSpiff i get where you're coming from. However there's a labor shortage right now. The company I work for IS hiring, but we're still short staffed across the board. Especially now that school has restarted. It's also an (actual) non-profit so "just raise the wage so people want to work there" isn't a super viable option
@@rabitwarior2 As long as they treat you well enough that you want to do the extra work and don't feel like you're being taken advantage of, that's the important part. I'm all for putting in extra for an honorable cause, but a lot of business are the farthest thing from.
I worked for a place that would only let you take your vacation in the months from November to April. You also couldn't take vacation at the same time as someone else in the department. It got really interesting when you had 5 guys trying to use up 3-4 weeks each in those 6 months.
I am with Ricky on this one. If I “request” a vacation 2 months ahead of time so I can attend my family reunion, then it is a notice. You can deny the “request”, but I am still going to go see my 89 year old grandparents. The question that needs to be answered is do you want to approve the “request” and move things around for a week or do you want to spend a few $1000s and months of time training a replacement?
Only in America.
Yeah this is basically how every job is sadly. Youre supposed to give your life to your job apparently.
I can't stop watching these
BIG FACTS. I'm not asking you if I can be off. I'm giving you time to prepare for my absence!
How long dose it take for you to wright these scripts
pff. ten minutes with all the shit that goes on with construction companies. but this is like the third time he's used the vacation thing, he's running outta stuff
Ricky is right. and employers need to all collectively pull their heads out of their asses about how they treat employees. "Ask" for what I was promised. Lotta people get "sick" and need that beach therapy.
Aside from my first workplace (working night while going to school during the day), i've been a contract consultant so i only have one such story.
I wanted the full 5 weeks off at the end of the year since i'd been denied during the summer (which they can do by union rules) and none in extra pay. They tried denying this as i was the only qualified programmer/ machine repairman who worked night. After getting a lawyer involved and sending a notarized letter to the legal team, it still took almost 2 months for them to acknowledge that i was in the right.
If I was the owner of a company and I saw/heard a manager saying this to someone or having this mindset I would tell him if it happens again he's gone. Treat your employees right and they will give you more and will actually care. Any basic system could easily fix any issues you would have with people missing and make a happier workforce at least if the following doesn't interfere with any labor laws. Have it where only a portion of your work force can take off for vacation at the exact same time be closed on major holidays and give holiday bonuses if you are closed or if you have to be open pay holiday pay to those who worked that day because you have to be open. Give 7 days of unpaid sick leave on top of the 7 days PTO per year and have it stack each year for a total of two years before it resets. Make it very clear PTO/ vacation is always approved unless the max people who can ask for PTO that week has already been hit and say they would have to use their sick days if they wanted off or tell them to postpone it by one week and it will be paid for, and the only requirement for PTO would be a two weeks notice and tell your employees to take a picture of evidence just in case they ever receive flak and have a number posted so they can reach out and inform you of a managers shenanigans of trying to deny of interfere with PTO. And if you really want to get into a good work practices then have 8 hour shifts but allow a 30 min paid lunch to be taken in the middle of their shifts. Then give mother's two weeks of paid maternity leave that can be stacked with their PTO or unpaid sick leave. On top of that give raises based on the amount of good quality work an employee does and it should cause employees to have a drive to do more higher quality work because they get rewarded for it and know they are treated right at your company and should make them more loyal to your business.
I’m on both sides.
The requests are to make sure that not everyone disappears for the same 2 weeks. But management abuses the situation.
Yeah they act like you didn't work to get those days. It's good to notify well in advance and get it in writing it's been approved in case they try to change their minds... If they don't approve it then take it anyways.
My stepdad had a week of his vacation get "cancelled". He just ignored it and pretended like he didn't know.
But again; why tf is that my problem or responsibility? The entire crew is gone? I guess it fucking sucks to be you boss man, get in there yourself for once and do some actual work lol i don’t understand why we’re supposed to care?
Isn't that funny in the USA? You have to "request to take vacation" on days you are promised. Almost like you really don't own yourself and the company owns you by holding your financial stability (and that of family) in their greedy, selfish hands. In theory they could just deny your vacation days until ... oopps ... out of days in the year.
This is common worldwide. Also, many companies allow for the accrual of personal days year over year - so you don't lose them if you end the year not using them.
What you described is also a violation of labor laws so, no, that doesn't commonly happen even at companies that don't allow year over year accrual.
Think I'll go listen to "Rage against the machine"
I’m the same way and even more so in my case, which is just taking an unpaid day every once in a while with 14+ days notice, usually so I can see my family which I only get to about 5 times a year. You can schedule me but I will not be showing up.
funniest sh!@ is when they hit you with the smug *"well it won't be paid"* 🤓
"oh that's okay ...just fyi ill be giving notice for another mini vacation on the "
😂😂 and they just deflate
Gotcha Boss Man Ricky done used a loop hole 🤣🤣👍
Ya rickys right on this. If vacation days are part of my payment for working then I get to use them as I see fit. What’s next my job gets to tell me where and on what I can spend my paycheck? No! It’s a notice not a request.
Rickey help us in the laws of hours of leave. Please. They don't understand it at all....
Lmao 🤣🤣 I love it, not a request it's a notice I ain't gonna be at work not asking
I agree with Ricky same people book out same holidays every year I had to book this Christmas nearly a year and a half ago I have requested other days they get denied every time but apparently I have to many vacation days saved up and need to take some but they keep saying no when I ask
that's why i'm glad that in England holiday days are a notification, you don't request them, you pick the days you want off and place them on the work calendar so those in charge know to prepare for your absence
I used to work at a place Tuesday through Saturday. They couldn't get enough permanent staff for Saturday so they rotated M-F people in. So when I tried to schedule time off, they would never give me the Saturday, just like I was a regular M-F person (cuz you're not allowed to skip out of the rotation). The many times I called off *cough cough* those Saturdays in the middle of an event or trip... lol
Yall are amazing 👏