Being a mixed couple in Johannesburg in the 90's | EP 4 - A Love Divided Series
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- When Julia told her mother about her boyfriend, she hadn't told him everything about him... Being a mixed couple was not well regarded in Johannesburg in the 1990s. In this episode, Fanie and Julia talk about their first encounter, their daily life and the prejudices they face.
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The man really articulated the memory of his grandfather very well. He seems like a good guy with some sense of cultural intelligence.
truly, we can learn a lot from him honestly. His level of emotional intelligence is amazing.
He's a famous writer now, search Kleinboer
What a transformative time in our county's history... this doccie is a gem
A beautiful couple. I was born in South Africa. Met my Austrian husband and moved to Austria . My husband and I are still married today. We met in S.A. in 1982 . I found a second home and happy here, I miss Cape Town .
Meanwhile, in Botswana a white classmate of mine called Daniel asked my brother and father if he could marry me once he finished medical school. I used to sit next to him in Chemistry and Biology A level. This was about 20 years ago. My brother categorically said no. My dad, well I never found out. In our culture, our male relatives' opinion weighs a lot when it comes to marriage prospects. Daniel is now a doctor in Australia and he has never married. People don't think that white men actually see black women as marriage prospects. We underestimate the appalling legacy of Apartheid in Southern Africa. I felt pressure to turn him down despite the sheer effort he put into proving himself to my family. This man's Afrikaaner family's attitude is not surprising whatsoever.
Hectic.
Well I see why ,you're breathtaking
Thank black God your family said no.I'm proud of them
Gurrl you better call Daniel…
So sad it's never too late to reconnect with Daniel. Life's too short
What a beautiful story, such a happy couple
Love is all that matters
The wife so humble and the husband is just special
No their not Stop Celebrating This Bullshit.
I wonder where they are now.This documentary is almost 30 years old.
The demon buys them with alcohol
Fanie is Kleinboer famous writer..
So glad i watched this. Makes my heart warm ❤
I speak English and Afrikaans fairly well. I unfortunately don't speak any African language indigenous to South Africa, but whenever I hear it being spoken, it's pure music to my ears!
She is stunning. Beautiful. Gorgeous. He looks caring and very mature.
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Check Fanies books, under Kleinboer
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That is the first thing I thought when I saw her, she is absolutely beautiful, and he is a very honest, open minded man. Ek is a kleurling van Kaapstad and I am mixed with four different nationalities and I remember growing up during the 60' my Dad would remind us that we are the future.
@@francoiswilliams
Oh really? I was just thinking he is a symbol of klein baas Fanie who grew up with the house that maids and the garden boy and got to love the warmth
Am I the only one who feels like this white man is just lusting over these African women? I can just feel it through his interactions with his wife. I also did research on one of his books called 'Werfsonde' translated to 'Site Probe' in English. I do not know what this actually means. But the book cover illustration is all you need to know about this man and how he views black women. I'm a mixed black women and I have had quite a few experiences with white men lusting over people who look like me or who are darker than me. It's honestly something natural to a woman's intuition that can sense and identify these kind of behaviours. The most notable things to look for are the way they stare at you. It's usually a long held gaze directed towards you that is full of craving and desire. It's like they've never seen anything that has ever looked like you before. You're essentially equivalent to an exotic or rare creature, since you're beauty that's different to the European standards just puts them in deep awe of you. Next is their tone of voices and the things that they say. Their speech usually implies sensuality or just borderline lust. I can see this clearly in the documentary, especially as Julia's body language is almost indifferent to her white boyfriend. It's quite lacklustre and unbothered. I mean, she's possibly an shy introverted individual generally, but if you truly love someone you're body language tends to be in sync. Also the cover photo for the documentary speaks volumes as well and justifies my claims. Or simply put... he just seems to love (or lust for) her a little bit more harder. I know this sounds petty or trivial, but these small things are certainly huge indicators to my first statement. No hate to this man. He seems wonderful and loving. But it's purely an observation of mine. Peace and love x
You are totally right
a 'werf' is a yard and 'sondes' means sins. directly translated it means yard sins. how you got 'site probe' is not clear.
I honestly love how self aware he is, he's such a breath of fresh air honestly.
Fanie? He's now a famous writer, one of my good friends...
@@francoiswilliams really? Please recommend some of his books. What is his full name?
@@francoiswilliams is he still married to the black girl?
@@francoiswilliams Please send Fanie our love. I saw how he kept trying to hold Julia's hand in public but it was obvious that she was anxious and probably scared but Fanie is oblivious because to him, he isn't holding a black woman's hand, but his wife's hand.
Please send him and Julia my love.
@@SuperVostie her name is Julia, now you can go cry in the corner.
Julia is stunning 😍 I love the clothes she puts on she was ahead of her time😊
There's still racism in South Africa. Inter-racial relationships are still rare and a big deal today. It's often older people, and strangers who notice, comment, ask or say racial things. We've experienced racism from all races in South Africa. Most of them don't mean harm, but the attention and curiosity was just too much. Society still stuck in the past. They don't understand how a "white person" can marry a "black person". People are nice but pity to leave. Happier to not hear words like "blacks" and 'whites" everyday. Love is really blind.
@Vuyani Nkwali The stares are still common....❣️❣️❣️
It's gotten much better actually. Even homosexual relationships are seen as a normal occurrence in South Africa.
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing.
Does anyone know if the featured couple remained in South Africa?
@@oceejekwam6829 I tried to find out too, but I think they still do.
@@DoctorK-in-Denmark thanks for your reply.
The fact that Fanie hides his wife from his family, even though he vehemently denies they are racist, says that not only are they racist but that he is ashamed of his wife himself. This is an extremely unhealthy way to handle a relationship of any kind. And his friends sitting around talking about how the racist caste system doesn't really exist, all while talking about how they were/are afraid of being around black people speaks to the mass denial going on. People praising his handling of race and view of black people are in denial themselves. Fanie seems to be part of the problem, not the solution.
I guess then that's why the got divorced.
I can never be anyone who hides me like im a freak.shes has no self resoect or self valuation.she does not validate herself.
Her husband is unconsciously racist and is seriously in denial wow. I love all and im attracted the spirit of the being howver i do draw the line when in come to the indifference . Politically i am actovist i am and proud of being nlack most definitely so i know as attractive i may be with the spirit of the human being someone thats white wull not allow me ro go there. Its RACISM its the system and worst of all the family and community it can destroy you . This is so sad but its the truth. Hiw can you be with someone whose people suppress you. They will never understand your struggles your pain and just being black. They can never understand that. NEVER
You know nothing
@@qaidikramuddinWhere was that shown?
Maybe he hides her to keep her safe, south africans attack other blacks too and both sides back then didn't like the two mixing
Beautiful couple, honest, intelligent, genuine & more. Have a wonderful life❤️more from this couple please.
THEY LOOK SO CUTE TOGETHER.. HE SEEMS LIKE A GREAT GUY
Can someone please locate this couple and continue with the story
Beautiful story, wonderful family. Please can we have an update of how life for them is now.
No chance lol prob forgotten about them. Most docs never follow up its 1 off documentaries. This is very old also.
He's on his 3rd marriage
@@zuziwemkhwanazi348 To a black woman?
@@theholyoneofisrael.9550 I think so. He says he's been with only 9 white women and 100's of black women🙃
@@zuziwemkhwanazi348 where did you get this information from?
Wow!! what a story and what a couple! real fighters. They both came from traditional families with different experiences, but they still found peace. That lady is a beauty.
It might be my imagination but the beautiful Julia has moments where she looks very lethargic, depressed, sad and detached. I hope it is just a look of deep refection or thought. I use to periodically have a similar aura when I was very young (about nine years old). My pediatrician diagnosed me with severe anemia. It got worse in my teenage years. One day I was soo tired that I went to the emergency room and the nurse couldn't find my pulse. To this day I still have to include iron/B12 supplements and red meat in my diet.
I hope Julia is very happy and well. Best wishes to her and Fanie.
Julia has a unique personality, similar to mine, shy, reserved, a deep thinker but very, very caring, loving and unending loyalty. Many times I am asked what's wrong, am I depressed? until they get to know me. It's a shame people of this world are still allowing tones of our skin to determine where we can work, live, who we marry, where is safe to visit all because of a skin tone and we're 3 months away from 2022, when will this end?
Love, peace and unity going out to all skin tones across this entire world.
@Teaman
I felt that also, she gets moments when she is just lethargic. I think I was a bit like that also in my 30's/40's. I still find myself being tired and no energy to talk much in the evenings, I thought it was my late 50's now early 60's age. I never got used to late night outs, my friends and colleagues know if they want me to go out with them, it's got to be lunch, not dinner.
Just an anecdote - I visited South Africa in the early nineties, around the time this film was being made, and just a month after Mandela had been elected for the first time. Anyway, I was with a girlfriend from Malawi and everywhere we went people were staring at us. Except one night we stumbled upon a club for English backpackers. Jo, my girlfriend, was the only black person in there, yet this was the one place where no one paid any attention to us
This documentary was very honest and both the husband we're both telling the truth of what was going on during those times and even to some degree today. It would really be interesting to see how they are today. This is coming from a South African 🇿🇦
agreed.
Beautiful story, I'd like to see where they are now
Me too
Me too!
Pedi people of northern Limpopo province polokwane
@@azaniabantu may you organise for some of us, I'd like to meet them. That's if you stay that side
@@khutsochoma4672 they are in Johannesburg As permanent resident but this video should have made in 1991 coz in 1990 Apartheid was strictly seperated in racial features of distant
He seemed much more in love than her. Fanie is clearly invested, but Julia seemed frustrated and tearful when Fanie discussed future plans for children. Her dialogue suggests that she saw marrying a White man as a way out poverty. They eventually divorced. The reason is unknown, but I’d love a follow up.
this man visited brothels. He was clearly lustful and highly sexed. your comments really gives me the impression that you are putting Julia in the gold-digger box. and so what if a husband likes his wife more? that's how it should be
I knew S.A. had problems - but my eyes are wide open now.
If only everyone thought the way this couple do.!
I can’t believe this is still a problem in 1975 I met a Jamaican boy in the uk all hell broke loose eventually they made me leave home if I wouldn’t stop seeing him I loved him my whole life and still love him 45 years later but my parents split us up in the end
My advise is... Go get him, tomorrow is not promised. Try again before you leave this earth with regrets. All the best, God bless you!
thanks Sam but he is married to a black girl now with children but said he wished he was marrying me almost 50 years have gone by I’ve never married never found any one who could live up to this beautiful man with manners @@samp5764
I'm Black and I met and fell in love with a white guy in 1989. My mother hated him and never accepted him. We went out together for 6 yrs but our relationship was overshadowed by the fact that my mum did not like him. I always felt guilty that I had defied her. So I ended it. I gave up on the one meant for me. I've spent years trying to find the right one for me but no one has ever come close. I have never felt that love I had for him again. I think of him a lot but saw on facebk he has a couple of kids. So he is probably happy with someone else.
@@katzwhite5962 this is my story but I’m whitening my man was black Hod bless
thank you. makes me think back on my own journey
Thank you for the great video. All the best for your future.
Yeiii 😍😍🔥❤when the woman started chanting in Sepedi💃💃☺aaww this was beautiful
Winston Churchill, on one of his visits to South Africa, said "one day the whole world will look like the South African Cape Coloured, everyone will be mixed". Racism is and should be a thing of the past, we are all God's children, we all bleed, hurt and cry the same. Live, Love and Laugh, and stay safe.
Thanks for sharing- thumbs up!
I noticed that my black people are more welcoming than any other race and are truly more peaceful when it comes to mixed relationships. At the end of the day it boils down to character and that is rare on both sides, I guess what's really counts is that we are all GOD s children and when you believe in GOD colour becomes variety and not seperation.Amen and may your 💓 heart guide you and not your brain .
Depends what part of town in LA you are. I was threatened to be killed because I was white. We were playing a gig on tour of a few cities in america and we were at a place in LA when I stepped out for a smoke with some of the band a group of local African Americans came up to us and said if our white bitch asses stuck around they'd skin us. Lol. I've lived in South Africa for half my life too and that is true if your a tourist, you'll be judged for being white in many places there. Also look up "EFF anti white rally" lol basically the third largest political party in South Africa, they regularly are racist towards white people in that country and they've even threatened genocide if the white people dont give up lamd and move back to Europe even though they have been there for close to 400 years much longer than the Zulus whom that party is primarily made up of. You can find the genocide threat video online if you look up videos about the EFF.
There just good people and bad people, there's no race above or below the other in my eyes.
I am SOUTH AFRICAN and trust me that is far from the truth . Most and majority of black south africans are not very welcome to other across the race dating, it even perturbs them to see other race mixed couples and that ain't have saw first hand.
Why do black Americans call women from their community 'bedwenches,' when they marry white men then?
@@wonjubhoy BRA that u need to choon with the American ous and find out , we chooning about South Africa ,not America lmaof so I don't know why ekse.
Tbh, it looks more like he's invested in her and she's somewhat unsure of him or herself. He's constantly asking her questions or (because of a language barrier), translating for her to the camera. It's like she checks out of a conversation and goes into her own world. I hate to say it but I think he's fascinated with her, the idea of being in love and curious. While it looks like she jumped into a marriage, maybe because of the novelty of simply being asked (and it being a white man). She also seems to be much younger than him. I have a feeling their marriage didn't last. I wish there had been an update.
Black and white are cousin's. They have been getting married and having children together for thousands of years. You can't stop love. Continue to love no room for hatred and it's a beautiful and better world.
I’m from the uk but have lived in Cape Town for 20 years. I still struggle with how separated races are here and how poor the informal settlements are still. It was really interesting to watch this and I learnt a lot about the culture here. I only know of two couples in mixed marriages and that’s very different from The UK. I also find it hard to comprehend how blacks and coloured people are treated differently and are still divided after apartheid.South Africa is not a rainbow nation yet but I hope one day it will be.Foni and Julia ,I hope you’re living happily here, I’d love to know how you are and if you had kids.☮️💟
Yoh this footage takes me back!
Look at how clean Yeoville and Joburg was before the ANC messed up everything
@Lerothodi Nyatso it's people like you and me who have messed up the city. Stop shifting the blame.
Foreigners from other African countries messed Yeoville... Hilbrow too
@@purplemango9679 foreigners messed up yeoville
So what do you reckon we do? Build a time machine and go back to the 90s?
@@DJ_Ndiks I didn't mess up any city Mina but the ANCs lack of proper governance and poor boarder control have messed up Joburg so stop taking nonsense.
HOW SAD IS IT THAT WE THE ORIGINAL NEED TO BE AS THE IMPOSTERS .
I like his Keith Haring t-shirt. He seems so progressive for his time considering the circumstances.
Love is a beautiful thing
Her parents have all that land they ballers
SA’s perceived route to salvation is based on the Brazilian model, i.e breed a nation of mestizos. What has been ignored are the strong diverse tribal traditions and 13 official languages that go with it, which means you have an impossible oil and water mixing. Funagalor is not the silver bullet
I would love too see an update as of today. Where are they?did they have children? etc
They got divorced. He's since married twice. The second wife died in an accident.
@@qaidikramuddin 😳🙁🥲
@@qaidikramuddin serious?
@@WhatAJhas2say I know. Sad the marriage failed.
Very beautiful and loving couple
Ag shame, hulle is so pragtic, so mooi saam. Ek hou van hulle. They just make me love my country more.
🇿🇦 ❤️ 🇿🇦.
Fanie is a typical SAfrican, open and honest. Authentic South Africans though, you got to love them or hate them.
Everything about this makes me love our country. I love the throw back of when home was mostly just us. I wish we could have had more years post '94 to get to really live together, to accept each other before we opened our door to foreigners on the continent and abroad. I wish we had instead spent a good 25 years building out nation
🇿🇦
Just jess you act like South African don't live abroad or SA is the only country on earth with foreigners
@@dall9329 you've missed my point, but that's all good
Just Jess
I have said that also that we were not given a chance to settle down in the new era and we got overwhelmed by negativity and people who had the extreme imagination of Apartheid. As a black South African born in the late 50's early 60's I had never had a nasty encounter with verbally brutal white South Africans than I did with most NON SOUTH AFRICANS mostly black and Asian IN SOUTH AFRICA and out. Black and White South Africans share a great sense of humour together, and I find that we have a common enemy, foreigners with a twisted mind regarding Apartheid.
@@dall9329
You should see South Africans, Black and white abroad. We don't have to marry one another, but boy we have a special bond, a beautiful slang together and a great sense of humour. White people abroad noticed and admire that, but black and Asian foreigners are so lost in RACISM towards black South Africans, in countries where they are foreigners themselves. more racist than the people of the country who are white and less or no racist towards South Africans.
Thank you 🙏
Any update on this couple?
Fanie is a friend, search Kleinboer
@@francoiswilliams cant find them
My tribe of the Bapedi. That was a nice praise song
Look how mother is well fed
I think this documentary is much older than 2018, it would be nice to see an update. Nice people.
1991 update in the comments.
Apparently they're divorced
@@pebetsemothapo3038 Where did you see that??
A beautiful looking couple. Love is clear.
KEEP THAT BLOOD PURE 💯 💪 👌/MELANATED.
@@charliefennell1764 loool
Handsome couple I wonder how they are doing to date. But genuine affection and adoration was there ,how are you doing guys ???
😂😂😂😂😂😂
" Good evening Boss"
We need a (where are they now) follow up episode 😭🖤🖤🖤
would love an update on this couple, are they still together ? nice documentary
Is there an update on this wonderful couple?
Tried googling couldnt find them
I hope they didn't let the pressures of racism separate them!
@@sandramorrison8709 They got divorced. af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleinboer
@@qaidikramuddin aww, the pressures of racism!!!
@@sandramorrison8709 The pressures of marriage.
Wow this is some great filmmaking
I personally would not like that happen with any of my children and have always talked out of such relationships.Those that are still very young,especially girls that like to play with dolls,I buy them black ones so that they grow up with minds directed at caring for and loving their own.I wont mind them married to Mozambican,Zimbabweans,Zambians,Nigerians etc as long as they are Africans.(2021.11.09-15:47)
and here you are. a black person doing EXACTLY what those white people were doing, and NOBODY has a problem with YOUR racism. it seems racism is ok for everyone except white people. go figure!
I do really hope that the brother of this gentleman became better.
Let's unite we have same blood but different skin I like that. Love you guys.
Thw white mans History is why many dint trust them.
It will be nice if people teach their children about God than to teach racism ,will it not be painful to see your child you carried for 9 months going to hell for something you taught them
Hell doesn't exist.
Pls God doesnt exist
He exists so is Hell and Heaven
@@kanieraliapeng724 to you mate 🤦🏾♀️
@@kanieraliapeng724 Well, like it or not He does exist. I hope you not saying that from an ignorant point. If you really don't know, God will reveal Himself to you and I promise He will make sure that you acknowledge His existence. Then He will allow you to make your free choice to follow Him or not.
God loves you and He wants a relationship with you. Pray to Him from your heart and you'll be shocked that He really answers.
Nice couple l love it
making changes that matter. ❤
12:12 she doesnt want to hold his hand
Hello guys..where are you now?
Jhb
Oh wow I can't believe how shy she is... Speak up women
Sweet couple ❤
😀 This is a beautiful video, makes me wonder what of Terblanche's mense, waar is julle vandag? Love is beautiful and marriage with love even better!!
Most of the blacks in this documentary seem to be on drugs, its a huge difference in outlook, Afrikaners are a tough, direct people, stubborn like the old Dutch reflecting our Dutch heritage for us the Black ways are very strange, so it is not only color but also the way different people are that makes us want to live apart, but I never had much to do with blacks or coloreds while I was there I felt we had no connection what so ever, were just too different. I left in 1993 as it was clear our old dream of a Boer homeland was gone and I didnt want to live in the mess that was being offered & was lucky enough as my mother is Irish to be able to escape to the West. This man has made his bed, it was his choice to join the new SA. We all must make our choices in life if we are lucky enough to be able to do so.
What is wrong with mankind? This story makes me feel very sad.
Superiority and power is what’s wrong.
@@Pink_celeb420" superiority"? ..Never. by"power "if you mean economics (cyclical) then I agree. Ps. Nothing in life is ever eternal..
@ She means superiority complex.
@@qaidikramuddin oh, My fault!😂 I do agree 💯.
@ 👍🏾
Where are they now, My people 💚💚
They are both in Johannesburg
@@azaniabantu Do you know them?
@@0822650924 I once met them in 1991 the site Houghton Johannesburg by the time I was working in Johannesburg
@@azaniabantu I was speaking about recent.
@@0822650924 They got divorced. It's so sad and annoying. The white dude married another woman who eventually died in a car accident.
2021 curious where are they now???
It shouldn't be anymore today like right after the end of apartheid. Today there are lots of interracial marriages in South Africa, including very prominent people like Springboks-captain Siya Kollisi or former RWC-world-cup-winner Bryan Habana.
I wonder where are they now. I saw something about Fanie though, where is Julia???
Why is class structuring still so difficult for some people? You think being left alone people would figure themselves and it out eventually. I don't get it.
Please give an update of where they are now.....please...
In Jhb
Does anyone know if they are still together? I do hope so
According to google, he is on his THIRD marriage and there's some stories about brothels and prostitutes.
@@lekis5975 can you provide a link/ some evidence for this? Thank you
They were married in the 1990`s are they still married?
Guys, do You have Children?
They muste be beatiful.
God bless this union for ever. Amen 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️
She looked very unhappy
She is down to earth. She doesn't have to be crazy
I wonder if this couple is still alive.
soooooooooo my crazy self googled this guy and BABY let me tell you, the man has aged like WINE!!!!! He can still get it😅
"wit kind. nie swart kind nie" she seems to have internalized much anti-blackness , racism and dislike of blackness so she doesn't just see him as a man but she does view whiteness as superior/ preferable to blackness.
Where are these people now,I'm interested
Where they now???
Jhb
She didn't seem interested in him at all.
Interracial couples couldn't be kept apart even when It was forbidden and they will continue to mix till kingdom come
Julia is so beautiful LAWD😍😍😍😍her kids are probably so beautiful
What a lovely Story
Quite an attractive couple good match
19:05 Yasss 💕❤️
Very healthy looking mothers, does it make sense?
The Afrikaaners protesting 😭😭,Thank God I was born after independence 🤣
Independence???
Independecne, lol, what are you talking about? Did they remove all history from school after "Independence"?
This white man truly loves his goddess on some deep level,it's not just some jungle fever.
I really wanted to Watch this video but as the captions are trying to say what they’re saying but they are incorrect and then the other ones underneath from the video so I don’t even know what they’re talking about and I really wanted to watch this video disappointed
But what they are saying is clear ...IAM following and am east African ..
I love this traditional clothes these women are wearing especially the village women.. where are these sorts of clothes today? 🤷🏿♂️
From Nigeria
What year was this from??
1990
Anywhere from 1991 to 1993, my guess 1993 as the news seems to indicate eletiion predections for 1994.
Yes it's not as bad as apartheid....ask me ...you will be shocked ....
Come with it waiting 😊😊
What was your experience… it sounds interesting to know
This ladys sounds like shis speaking Tswana or changani language. Nice couple
,that's Sepedi a south African language.
Tswana and Shangaan are so far removed from each other.She is speaking Sepedi
He assumes that every kid has a nanny, we in 1952-1960 U.S. were lucky yo have a mom that stayed home. Lots of years 5 and older, we were home alone during the work week at school on our own and home afterward. TV was our nanny. 15 years of it. Later the brother says he was brouhgt up thinking he was intellectually better than blacks. What he should have understood is that he was more adevantaged and begtter educated thatn blacks would have gotten. We all know that brains are all unique and Knowlege has not much to do with the capacity of the brain,
It is how your family or society trains you to believe in a trade or a position. in other words life is a crapshoot, we do not determine anything until maybe 18, if ever. Your brain may be ruled by emotion and keeps yourself hancuffed by anxiety.
wow that is profound