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Oh cool… So the traumatic scene was even more traumatic…
yes... this is waaaaay too soon man...
Right? Damn.
Yes. The whole story is really.
Lol
@@kingnothing007 dude it's been years man lol... Like since the end of the show, even longer than this scene. In the show his last words are "Mother" so maybe he warged into her too and died 3 times...
The young wolf. Manage to defeat tywin's army more than once .
Making of a great battle commander.
I want to watch got again now after that comment
@@n1k32h I'd recently do. Watched 6 seasons again.
After house of the dragon.
@@Noone91875 sadly after that the writing gets worse and how can we forget the magnificent writing of season 8
@@lelouchvibritannia8997 that's y I'd only watched till s6.
Though! Writing start to deteriorats after s4. But still s6 is satisfying af.
So I'd give it a go.
They ruin stannis in s5. But still show is decent till s6. And goat till s4.
Waiting for GRRM to finish what he started if he will ever manage to do it.?
He literally never faced tywin in battle wdym. It was against jaime, then a surprise attack on tywins idiot cousin. He never actually fought tywin.
I’ll never forget the silence in my living room filled with people when Arya saw Greywind’s head on Robb’s body.
That is the only time I was truly disturbed by GoT I never want to see that again
I don’t remember this at all, gonna look it up
Watched it. Totally forgot about it! Think I must’ve seen it once when I first watched it and never saw it again on clips or anything
@@cdplaysgames6923 u certain? What about the time when Oberyn Martell fought against the mountain? That fight scene was hella scary 😟
@@tiffanycummings2079 yeah but I was use to it by then I will forever be scared by seeing Jack Harlow on a horse with a wolf head and Arya watching it
Imagine Grey Wind's head stitched on Robb's body and a red priest of R'hollor shows up to give him the kiss of life.
Catlyn might try to do something like that
Baric tells Arya that certain injuries that resulted in death cannot be reversed. One of those injuries is death from a beheading, Baric tells Arya a man can't be brought back after he's been beheaded (concerning Eddard)
@@MrJayson204 in that haunted castle Brienne visited, it was said that in the past the castle's lady kept heads, who she kisses so they'd talk to her. I wonder if that's a possibility with Robb. Although by the pount in the books his head was probably already very rotten.
Damn and I thought the wolf head thing was brutal enough in the show. This adds a
whole new level of f’ed up.
True. And even worse hes only 16 in the books.
in the books they say that opponents were confused by Robb's and Grey Wind movements because they were like one thing on the battlefield. for me, Robb's ending is the saddest of them Starks.
That means Rob might've seen Arya one last time before he died a second time
Does she get closer in the books? Because in the show, she's far and his cage has walls. They could not see each other.
@@mcvenne8935 no... she didn't. Kligan and Arya was near, they saw "outside" part of the wedding, but everything goes wrong soon and they escaped
@@mcvenne8935 they did see each other. As he died, Grey wind was on the floor peering through the bottom of the cage walls as Arya was looking at him.
@@EA-uj8dk who tf is kligan 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@StudioseMeF The hound . Sandor Clegane
Beric Dondarrion: "pathetic."
If I remember right, in the books grey kills one or two men before dying. Hope that makes you feel better brothers.
The North remembers.
It does, thank you
Think he kills all the other hounds, and some of the people who took care of them. Idk if he killed any guards, but I do remember that.
Grey Wind was a Chad, a loyal pupper
Robb's squire (his wife's older brother) gives up his sword and presumably surrenders, but then rushes over to Grey Wind and releases him. He took two or three arrow wounds but still managed to run away and jump into the trident. I hope Robb at least saw or knew of his squire's sacrifice and undying loyalty.
Imagine never losing a battle, but losing the war. Robs inexperience ultimately was his undoing.
As jamie said "he won the war on the battlefield but lost it in the bed chamber"
well he executed Karstark
broke his Vows
and was to stupid to handle the boltons
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imagine him sending bolton (with just his man) to the west
while fighting himself on the east
and slowly pushing for kingslanding
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tywin has to abandon that front
(or risk having stanis take over kings landing)
wich can be used by rob to make massive territorial wins
In the books jeyne's brother sacrifices himself to free Grey Wind. There is a theory that a direwolf's head would be too big to sew onto Robb's teenage body, so they would have sewn a normal wolf's. In the books the slaughter of Grey Wind is not shown. Apart from what Arya sees, everything is reported by the Freys. Also, Varamyr says that living in a direwolf is a second life fit for a king. Martin could be referring to both Robb and Jon. But with Robbs body decapitated, he would have to live in the wolf forever.
that‘s actually pretty cool and sad tbh, Robb was a great character. Plus Jon did say Ghost when he died, if I remember correctly, so my theory is that jon is living his second life in his direwolf too.
The main theory I've heard is that his soul transfered to ghost when he died, and then was transferred back to his body when melisandra resurrected him.
@@generaladmiralaladeen2533 Mellisandra didn't do shit for Jon in the books lmao, he's dead. Cope.
@@A_Salted_Fishe because the next book hasn't been written yet. He'll be brought back to life in that too.
@@JauntyWhale one of our comments will not age well... I'm excited to see which. Tbh I would like him to come back, but this is GRRM we're talking about, it's not unlike him to keep someone dead permanently lol
@@A_Salted_Fishewhat are you smoking there is 0 world where John actually stays dead in the books lmfao what
Love is the death of duty.
And the bane of honour
And duty is the death of Love
Duty comes first. You can love again but an oath breaker's love means nothing.
@@iamthelonewolf not corny at all
@@colebresnehen38 corny but shit u want drilled into your head if your out there in war
Little did they know, the wolf’s head only made him look more badass.
When Robb said “mother… grey wind..” he wasn’t dying. He was very badly injured but he wasn’t actually dying until Roose Bolton stabbed him in the heart. We know from Varamyr sixskins chapter that he only warged into the wolf when he actually died. I think it more likely he said “mother… grey wind” meaning he was kind of pleading with her to stop them from killing grey wind if she could as she wasn’t injured at this point. Atleast thats how I took it when I read it. I suppose the only one that knows for sure is George himself.
Still, it is a nice thought that Robb and grey wind were together spiritually when grey wind is killed.
The red Wedding was in my opinion the cruelest event in the whole series
Really? I thought Daenerys Targaryen and her dragon slaughtering 10s of thousands of innocent subjects of Kings Landing, including children, when she laid waste to nearly the entire city was just a bit more cruel.
@@JohnHWelch63shireen, a girl of 10, burnt alive
@@_.PlayerOne._ Yup. Pretty damned cruel I would say.
@@JohnHWelch63 yeah but the red wedding hit harder, cuz it just purged a bunch of our main characters that we had been rooting for, ruining a reunion we’d been working towards, and completely shifting the entire direction of the story in the most brutal way possible
@@koflamingo245 I can see your point. Well put. However, I happen to be a bit of a loonie bastard sometimes. I can either see the red wedding in your point of view, or if in the right mood, can see it as being funny af. I mean, Lady Stark with that look on her face like she just walked in on Rob jerking off while her throat is slit! 🤣🤣🤣
I always cry on that scene when Arya sees Robb head cutoff while freys are celebrating 😭
Ironically rob may be dead but in the books catelyn is still alive thru interesting means.
🧟♀️
The second picture of Robb is more what I imagined him looking like. (Not the show ned stark, the second fan art one). He was a teenager. Not a 25 year old.
I believe the person he married in the books was a woman of high birth who was tending to the wounded and he slept with her after he found out his brothers "died" making her not a virgin and thus he had to marry her for her to maintain honor. it was a conflict of honor and duty so its a lot more complex than in the show.
She was a low born. Jeyne Westerling
do the books ever say what happened to the baby? since shes still alive
@@hands-ongaming7180His wife was killed by frey men at the Red Wedding. I think you might be refering to his mother who is now lady stoneheart after she was brought back to life.
@@bai6551 No she wasn't. Guess you didn;t read the books....
@@hands-ongaming7180 oh I guess I got the show mixed up. The freys probably had her drink moon tea though. I am re-reading the books.
Did YOU know that Martin seems to have based Dawn off another Sword in fantasy called Sword Of The Dawn, also using that as Arthur Dayne's title off of another fantasy author and friend of his Micheal Moorecock? Also he took a lot from Elric for Valyria but he gives credit and Moorecock is fine with it. He also credits Moorecock's Eternal Champions series as an inspiration for Elden Ring.
Ok
Martin basically ripped off his entire story and just added to it. He also stole literal places straight from lovecraft and got mad at the fans for noticing. And let’s not forget drogo is frodos dad😢
@@snowstorm1863 Martin's never lied about being a fan of Lovecrafts or Tolkiens, he talks about it at conventions, interviews and has said outright the squishers were based on some book called shadows over Innsmouth or something. He's openly said Moorecock was an inspiration for him and never denied credit. When did he get upset for fans noticing? That would be bizzare considering how many times he himself says the same thing.
Elric of Melnibone is an amazing story. The Witcher was a rip off of Elric. People definitely need to read them all. The original graphic novels are kinda trippy!
Ok?
This means that in the books Jon will warg into Ghost before being resurrected as his last words were “Ghost”.
Unfortunately robbs downfall was that he couldn't keep his own promises
Yeah,even karstark said hes fucked the day he married talisa
@@happydude6900 the northern lord's were also not as loyal as the books and the show have you believe they are pretty quick to change their loyalty when it doesn't suit their own houses...
Nah, it was his mother's fault. She let freaking Jamie Lannister, their biggest bargaining toll. His another blunder is trusting Boltons. He should immediately return winterfell after Theon' s betrayal, his biggest blunder is this.
@@SirChris1372 Only houses that seemed not loyal were boltons of course being traitors and always had issues with the starks and house dustin but only cause lady dustin still holds a grudge for ned not marrying her why she only sends small force with robb when he marches south and also one of first to pledge for the boltons.Every other house tho was pretty loyal to the starks.
Not in the books though, in the books he chose the more honorable of the two options (marry the girl he knocked up). If he was a worse person he might’ve chosen the more politically savvy option of marrying the Frey girl
Robb was a real king as he won 3 consecutive victories over the one of the strongest army of 7 kingdoms at very young age.
Robb Stark the best tactician of westeros
Tywin the strategist
Robert the leader
Most of it was the Blackfish and Roose Bolton, though Robb certainly showed promise
@@scoobydoo2587 nah Roose Bolton was a good strategist not a tactician
@@odoardoros6970 Roose Bolton was the on who led the main army of the North into battle with Tywin to distract him and managed to orderly retreat after while Robb and the Blackfish were busy in the west
He won the war on the battlefield but lost it in the bedchamber
Excellent!! He’s second life was short lived 😂
Probably the best young commander ever, ‘ dies at a wedding, what a way I say
How did no one see this coming when dany literally prophesied it 💀 her chapters usually indicate the direction of the entire series honestly but people usually don’t see it until it’s too late 🤷♀️
I saw it as soon as Grey Wind started getting aggressive before entering the castle.
It’s safe to assume allegory/ foreshadowing/ metaphor go over 75% of peoples heads
Bro got spawn camped
To be fair, he tried logging out and logging in on his second account.
So they took both accounts and glued them together.
When coochy gets your rebellion canceled
To think your undoing is not defeat in battle but breaking a promise and not listening to your Elders (his Mother and Bolton)
Damn the homie was spawn killed 😭
Imagine he called out once more 'ghost'...
Why do I see this as a Sam Kinison bit, "Oh no...not again...not AGAIN!!!
Robb was named so with the second b as a sign of respect to Robert Baratheon
This left me speechless, never thought about that
The best King out of the 5 at war. Fought at a huge disadvantage, but won every field battle. He was far better than Jon who also died but was lucky enough to come back and have his sister help win wars for him.
“An insult and a warning”
Starks: Nah a challenge.
I still think he would have been ended in the same fate if he had honored his oath. If not the same fate then would have ended like his uncle coz at the end of day it was Frey's and who the hell trust these punks.
Whoever made that fanart of Robb hugging Grey Wind deserves the Nobel Prize
Wish they had emphasised their warging ability in the show
Damn the starks couldn’t stop taking L’s
Then they fucked everyone
When the challenge difficulty is still cracked even on New Game+.
“When people asked what happened here you tell them winter came for house Frey” THE NORTH REMEMBERS.
These books are so tragic, yet the theories are even more tragic
Ohhh so that is how Blaidd got his wolf head.
Oof....
I still remember the night I saw that Red Wedding episode for the first time and said to myself, this might be the best GD TV show Ive ever seen
My favorite character
This makes the book version so much worse but don’t think it could apply to the show cause Grey Wind I think was killed before Robb
Of everything to happen in GOT, the red wedding was the most messed up thing I've ever seen. It's possibly the worst thing I've seen in cinema.
Then you best not watch Green Inferno. The things in that film are enough to terrify and scar the most resilient.
@@DoomofOlympus I'll watch it today
it's not just the butchery, but also what happened after it that was disgusting. the freys getting wiped out was one of the best things that happened.
He should have tied greywind with a knot that only a human mind could undo.
Love is the death or duty, bane of honour.
- Lord Commander Jeor Mormont.
If Robb returns like his mother did, does that mean he'd have to write in order to talk? Or would he communicate in howls?
I think in this universe ressurection is only possible as long as your head is still attached to your body
@@muneebsajjad4247 Well, technically the head is still attached; it's just his other body's head.
@@kennethclark4599 They stitched the wolf's head, doesn't mean it's attached to body or part of it. He is still headless, in both of his human and wolf body.
@@kennethclark4599 I don’t think he’s gonna get resurrected
Ah…but Arya had the perfect response to their warning.
Death.
And that's why the North Remembers
"for this, he's betrayed and slayed," right after he betrayed his own word. for someone who criticizes other for lack of honor, he couldn't honor his own word.
Novice stf up
It was courtly love, a type of honor that transcends obligation, ironically enough. Still should have had the wear withal to marry the Frey girl and have his honey on the side in secret.
From my limited knowledge of the books I thought you were gonna say Catelynn Stark brought the corpse of Robbwind (Robb with greywind's head) to life in a mountain-esque manner.
I think between the fact that its in the lore that the wargs have this power, what his final words are, and them sowing the head onto his corpse are all HEAVY handed signs that this theory is not just correct but what we are meant to believe.
Jon dying: ghost...
Jon Snow's last word in the books is "ghost". The name of his direwolf!
I think you’re mistaken, and that he did say gray wind, because he sends his wolf death so he could not transfer, inadvertently his life force into an already dead animal, unless he transferred it into something else
And that bastard Frey got what was coming to him.
It still hurts.. I always tussled with my favorite pick. Rob or Jon.
Damn..
The young wolf. Mad cool, tragic end. Really really makes me wish rob and jon stayed together ya know. They woulda been a crazy strong pair to lead the starks; like a Naruto and Sasuke dual hokage/king role
Too much information sometimes becomes too much, maybe that's why these points were cut off in the show
You let one wolf live and herd of sheep is never safe
That's what I guess for breaking his promise you don't make a promise you can't keep
In the show robs wolf looks at Arya right before dying too
If he would smarter, he would never allow to separate him with his warg animal. For example, during the wedding the beast would smell betrayal and would warn them. Also he could jump on Walder Frey and press him to the floor, so archers would not dare to risk to kill their master and Robb could negotiate
AAAHHHH I CANT WITH THIS DEATH I CANT..... 😭😭😭😭 it messes with me on so many levels 😂😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭
Yep and that warning really worked out for them. Lol😂😂
The north remembers
I won't believe in Greywind's and Reynald's death until we "find" their bodies in pov or the series ends.
It would have been great if he was able to reborn again as a sort of monster with his body and the head of his direwolf...
How many times have a man’s balls robbed one from his senses?
Great commander. Now if only he could have controlled whats in his pants, they'd have steamrolled the lannisters.
bro folded for a volantian bop when he could’ve had roslin frey🤦♂️
This is highly speculative
Dude 💔 i did not have to know this 😢…. Currently re-watching the show for the 5th time smh
Imagine going 0-2 against the Freys..
He should've warged into drogon and finished his enemies single handedly
The young wolf ❤❤
Of all the Starks I liked Jon, Ned and Rob the most. Sad that Ned and Rob died 😢
I always assumed he said the wolf’s name because he could feel it go when the Freys killed it.
What. The Starks were all Wargs????
The stark children are, George R.R Martin has confirmed as much in a couple interviews
An year later.
John Snow avenged the red wedding and became the white wolf, The King in the North. And slayed Ramsay Bolton in the battle of bastards
Just imagine that through some blood magic Rob's revived with the head of Greywind. A war general with the head of a direwolf and thirst for revenge, for blood. God damn that'd look so fucking badass.
Although I hope for this I know deep down that Rob's never gonna be revived :< it'll be to stupid since Cat's still technically ''alive''.
And then got isekaid and became Blaidd for his 3rd life
north remembers
Toon Soon Bro... waaaaay Too Soon...
Wow didn't know that omg
Yeah, as if the North Remembers isn't scary enough, they did that insult to Rob. ...
Do you think Frey would've done the deal with Lannister if Rob honored his pact?
Yes. Regardless of whether he’d married the Frey girl. The red wedding would’ve still happened.
Not really, no. His daughter would be queen as Robb was winning battles left and right. He would be father in law of the king.
Na
I'd lean towards no, but I can see how you could argue for both sides
Nah I don't think so
I mean warg could enter their animal after death of their own body but to do that warg must be very well train but rob doesnt even knows he was a warg like every other od his siblings
Brutal
Wish they had made him warg as well
Bro this is a ASOIAF THEORY... unconfirmed in the books... don't make a short claiming it to be fact when it's a fan theory. I'm pretty sure grrm likes this theory though so it's kind of canon for me
He literally said fans assume
Definitely the case for the books but not the show as grey wind dies first