Millennia - How does it compare to Civilization?

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  • čas přidán 13. 03. 2024
  • In this video, I play Millennia, which is an upcoming 4X strategy game (release date 26th March), and talk a bit about how the gameplay compares to Civilization.
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Komentáře • 84

  • @Nobun4g4
    @Nobun4g4 Před 2 měsíci +10

    I totally agree that the UI is all over the place. On the other hand the fact that the distinction between civs is mostly dependent on your choices in game is a + in my book.
    I concede that it takes away from the personality of the civ but i think it’s something they could remedy by adding AI leaders that have differing tendencies even if there isn’t any bonuses tied to it. (Like warmongers/traders/industrialist/Gandhis)

  • @hjge1012
    @hjge1012 Před 2 měsíci +13

    "Civilization: call to power" also had this battle system I believe.

    • @samadams2203
      @samadams2203 Před 2 měsíci +4

      And the improvement system too I think.

  • @floriansugg8190
    @floriansugg8190 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Battle Isle 2 ❤ I played that one on my Amiga500, no CD there.
    Good old 3,5 floppy disks and several of them...
    Ah, those were innocent times😅

  • @aaronginsberg4993
    @aaronginsberg4993 Před 2 měsíci +5

    There are some really cool ideas in this game. I think it's a reasonable compromise between something like Civ and some of the more management heavy Paradox stuff. But some polish would be nice. You are absolutely right. This game looks like it came out in 2004 not 2024.

  • @jairo8746
    @jairo8746 Před 2 měsíci +19

    No need to apologize, your comments are on point.

  • @KiwiRaymond
    @KiwiRaymond Před 2 měsíci +6

    Battle Isle was fantastic! Not to mention History Line 1914-1918.

  • @chrisvto3628
    @chrisvto3628 Před 2 měsíci +6

    I learned how to play CIV 5 and 6 from you marb and I highly respect your opinion and with me having less money it’s really helpful for me to see what to spend my money on . Thank you

  • @DwLMayhem
    @DwLMayhem Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thanks for introducing me to this game. It looks really interesting, even if the UI is a little unpolished. I really like the idea of the different age options when you tech up. and the government customization looks neat. I think I'll give it a shot.

  • @andrewbogard2411
    @andrewbogard2411 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Just started the video but I think if they have the ai coded to go for certain national spirits if it's a certain nation or maybe depending on the nation that is picked the player (ai or human) gets certain discounts for certain spirits so if you pick a certain nation or have a ai as that nation the bonuses will make it more likely for them to go that route.

  • @Kasaaz
    @Kasaaz Před 2 měsíci +1

    Even in the Research UI, they could do way better by just something like... different outlines around the unit picture for 'unlocking' the option to build it, the ability to 'spend' XP to generate some or 'spawning' one just by researching the tech, etc.

  • @Winnetou17
    @Winnetou17 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Speaking of combat animation, I remember Panzer General which is from '93 or '94, which had a nice quick animation of the units fighting and then taking damage (if they did). With sounds too (that I still have imprinted in my memory)!
    I guess in this game, you can see the modifiers. There's probably a combat log too. You can understand how the army composition work, I guess, like the order of the units in a turn, which can influence greatly the battle result. I'm not rooting out the idea that maybe later (both as in a later age, or later as in a new DLC mechanic) maybe you can also have some decisions in the battle window.... though that would mean things to do while the enemy turn is rolling... hmm, ok, probably not.
    Also, lol at the beginning 6:04 "so we'll just send them in opposite directions" - sends all 3 units to the north :))

  • @Funkadelic74
    @Funkadelic74 Před 2 měsíci +20

    That game really looks half-baked in a lot of ways.
    Thanks for these impressions - and the Battle Isle memories.

    • @Marbozir
      @Marbozir  Před 2 měsíci +5

      I loved Battle Isle haha
      If I end up playing some retro strategy games at some point, it'll definitely be on the list

    • @HQbaracuda
      @HQbaracuda Před 2 měsíci +1

      For me, this game looks and feels like it should have come out 15 years ago. It looks old. The UI is really outdated imo and it reminds me of Age of Mythology most of the time. I guess you could look over this, when looking at a small indie team developing their first 4x game, but they shouldn't even be considered a Civilization contender with this product. Look at Humankind as a "real" Civ contender and you immediately recognise why this game here isn't playing in the same league as Civ.

  • @Reajjy
    @Reajjy Před 2 měsíci +12

    Amazing that is the same combination I have on my luggage!

  • @milamberpuc7059
    @milamberpuc7059 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I did play call to power but don’t remember much from it,😅which I didn’t replay also

  • @richardhewit215
    @richardhewit215 Před 2 měsíci

    Call to Power was my favorite of all the Civ games, and I've been playing since Civ1.

  • @jehooft8569
    @jehooft8569 Před 2 měsíci

    Local reforms is always worth it btw, that power will carry you through the entire early game. It's a 50% bonus to all yields in your city for 5 turns, it's soooo strong. For example, usually that boost will give you more knowledge over time than a Eureka, in addition to all the other yields
    I think the best way to compare it to civ is by taking the civ 5 Golden Age, and supercharging it. Or a WLTK day. But shorter and much more powerful and only one city. But you'll have only one main city for a very long time.

  • @galren208
    @galren208 Před 2 měsíci

    They still don't allow you to pick the location of your initial city? I had some poor starting locations during the demo, where it took ages for the capital to build anything and had to make up for the production in clay pits. No forest in sight. If the starts look more like this video, maybe it wouldn't be so bad, but I doubt it's that consistently good.

  •  Před 2 měsíci

    I loved Call To Power. Guess I need to pick this one up now.

  • @Roklatak
    @Roklatak Před 2 měsíci +1

    Oh man, Call to Power was a real power fantasy Civ game. 100% Terraforming and those underwater and space cities really made it insane. Balanced? Probably not. Cool? YES!

  • @jorgefreitas5983
    @jorgefreitas5983 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Although I did leave a like, I can't say I'm enjoying watching this game... As you pointed out, it has an old game vibe to it that it's hard to shake off... And it doesn't even seem to improve on those old mechanics in any way.
    Maybe I'm spoiled after marathoning 9 hours of Age of Wonders. In any case, I'll keep watching it, since as you pointed out the fun part is about to begin.

  • @TheEdwardvansloan
    @TheEdwardvansloan Před 2 měsíci

    Looks like an interesting game with some different ideas

  • @Drizz1717
    @Drizz1717 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Nice

  • @Wiggins773
    @Wiggins773 Před 2 měsíci +3

    your videos never fail to make me smile

  • @Kasaaz
    @Kasaaz Před 2 měsíci

    I had the same feeling as far as readability and the way they present information in this game. Sometimes things like just knowing the values of things and other times things like having barbarians just marauding around in my territory and struggling to actually FIND them, etc.

    • @Kasaaz
      @Kasaaz Před 2 měsíci

      I had thought the visuals were just like... unfinished. If this is the release version... Yikes.

  • @michaelhill6453
    @michaelhill6453 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Battle Isle...classic!

  • @michaelhill6453
    @michaelhill6453 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I loved Call To Power.

  • @00gunz00
    @00gunz00 Před 2 měsíci +7

    Nice and honest review 😌.

  • @maverator
    @maverator Před 2 měsíci +2

    The RPG Maker equivalent of a Civ game.

  • @texx8205
    @texx8205 Před 2 měsíci

    Which would you say is better, Millennia, Old World or Humankind?

    • @Marbozir
      @Marbozir  Před 2 měsíci +1

      While I personally never really got into Old World, it's probably the best game overall out of those 3. And as it stands right now, I'd put Humankind above Millennia, if I had to rank them.
      So Old World > Humankind > Millennia. Just my opinion though.

  • @KhaosTheDemonGod
    @KhaosTheDemonGod Před 2 měsíci

    Good to hear your opinion about this game, and reveal some major issues. The combat system is very outdated. The graphics are not great, and it matters, because you spend a lot of time watching the world map. Civ 5, while not technically beautiful, managed to give an enjoyable vision of the world you play in.
    And you're right about the UI/UE. Once again, compared to Civ 5 (especially with the EUI mod), it's inferior: Civ displays a lot of information while not being too intrusive. In Millenia, the left and right windows are too big, and a lot of space is lost in each UI screen by displaying big buttons, big images, big font... As someone else said, it looks like a mobile game, which is not good.
    I expected this game to be the next big Civ-like game (before Civ 7), using its best ideas and adding some interesting concepts (and there definitely are some good ones), but, as it is, I'm quite disappointed in Millenia.

  • @hamishmcdog48
    @hamishmcdog48 Před 2 měsíci

    I did play Call to Power and the sequel.

  • @zyrtor1
    @zyrtor1 Před 2 měsíci

    When I tried this game, I was taken aback at just how hard the AI is. Not sure how good or bad that is. Alexander and the Greeks had a 64 strength army group very early in the game and he got aggressive very fast on me.

  • @gabinete21avt9
    @gabinete21avt9 Před 2 měsíci +3

    that's a nice change of pace

  • @thewaterless
    @thewaterless Před 2 měsíci

    This game has a lot of promising and interesting mechanics which seem to be really held back by the very things you called out as problematic. I will probably wait to see if some DLC improves those features.

  • @Caracal-lm6es
    @Caracal-lm6es Před 2 měsíci +2

    OMG, Battle Isle 2 - I remember that game is was great in it's time. I also loved Incubation by the same studio.
    Edit: The Battle Isle series and Incubation are available on GOG.

  • @rathalos1522
    @rathalos1522 Před 2 měsíci

    The UI definitely needs some polish, especially in making the tooltips more informative.
    The combat screen is in a weird place. It does not look good and I skipped it most of the time. But the different unit types do have different behaviours that matter in the outcome of battles. So you do want to look at them sometimes. I think it would be best to have a setting that treats your offensive attacks the same as when you are attacked outside your turn: you can view them afterwards, but the screen does not automatically open.
    As for the starting Nations not having unique buildings and units: I actually really dislike that about Civ. I think choosing them during the game in response to your situation works much better.
    Compared to Civ, Millennia as a whole seems to challenge your strategy throughout the game much more, rather than letting you follow a strategy you planned from the start.

  • @terrycrist3
    @terrycrist3 Před 2 měsíci

    The combat reminds me of Call to Power. Interestingly, the same kind of automatic stacked combat is in Unicorn Overlord, which just came out, and looks a lot better.

  • @joenarrf6501
    @joenarrf6501 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Wow, the combat screen looks absolutely terrible. And you are right, it looks like something from the early 90s.

  • @samadams2203
    @samadams2203 Před 2 měsíci

    I think this game could be fun(I only played the demo). My issue is I don't think it promises $40 of fun. Gonna wait for a sale, which may be some time.

  • @david10808
    @david10808 Před 2 měsíci

    I only played the next fest demo, but the thing that I disliked the most was how huge a bottleneck production was. Most of the time your start has essentially no production tiles. This leads to the national spirits that give you free units being overpowered (especially the viking raider one).
    The game manages to differentiate itself from Civ, but most of them are pretty subtle and a they aren't all well thought out. The release date is very close, so it doesn't seem like they will change much from what we've seen already.

  • @DeaddMax
    @DeaddMax Před 2 měsíci

    So this version is somewhere between the beta and release version as I understand it. If that is so, this is abhorently unfinished. This looks more like a company Alpha than anything else.

  • @elbonnybar
    @elbonnybar Před 2 měsíci +1

    UI look a bit blocky?...

  • @elbonnybar
    @elbonnybar Před 2 měsíci +1

    Is this a Mobile game?

  • @jairo8746
    @jairo8746 Před 2 měsíci +2

    On another note, maybe the combat was meant to be something like age of empires but got scrapped later on. As it is right now could be an autoresolve.

    • @rathalos1522
      @rathalos1522 Před 2 měsíci +1

      No chance of that, they deliberately wanted to limit how much time you spend on controlling combat.

  • @marcusbrown5052
    @marcusbrown5052 Před měsícem

    Y'all remember that game on the Sega Genesis called Warsong? Those battle sequences were way better than this game by far.

  • @KarlKapo
    @KarlKapo Před 2 měsíci

    I have tried it. It's weird it's going to be released this month, it was like playing a Tencent mobile game. Whoever designed this needs to redo the game..core mechanics are interesting, but to undeveloped.

  • @henrychang2267
    @henrychang2267 Před měsícem

    I think Millenia is just like a simplified version of Civilization, not to mention and compare it to Humankind. I would rather play Humankind instead because it has more advanced systems in many aspects.

  • @TheSwiftFalcon
    @TheSwiftFalcon Před 2 měsíci

    I quite liked the demo, but was disappointed when I heard the release date, as the game seems to still need a significant amount of work. There's potential here, but as it stands, I'm not sure I will buy it.

  • @SuperDoggy99
    @SuperDoggy99 Před 2 měsíci

    The combat system (or lack thereof) just "kills" this game for me. The combat plays out like a something you'd see in a game from the 90s (i.e., the Warlords series had this) Some people might be able to get past it, but in a world with strategy games that offer a ton more options in combat, "auto-battlers" have to provide something more than just some janky animations and few pre-battle options.

    • @Marbozir
      @Marbozir  Před 2 měsíci

      Agreed, it really is a deal breaker for me, especially when combined with all the UI jank, as well as many, MANY small annoyances (that I could write an essay about).

  • @wslayerem6996
    @wslayerem6996 Před 2 měsíci

    visuals dont matter a wink, civ6 looks amazing but they had to cut the maps in half so the game could be played without killing pc's.

  • @Griexxt
    @Griexxt Před 2 měsíci

    What is the point of 250 year turns initially? Just so they can boast about having 10 000 years of game-play? This means nothing.

  • @abysscodes
    @abysscodes Před 2 měsíci +7

    Wow this game looks.... Rough

    • @hachijospaniard5643
      @hachijospaniard5643 Před 2 měsíci +1

      That´s being very dishonest to be fair.
      Welp, time again to wait to at least a remaster for Alpha Centauri until we all die I guess.

  • @rubyismycatman7335
    @rubyismycatman7335 Před 2 měsíci +9

    i hear Paradox i lose all interest but thanks anyway you are a great guy.

    • @gcm4312
      @gcm4312 Před 2 měsíci +1

      fwiw paradox is just the publisher

    • @mimir4965
      @mimir4965 Před 2 měsíci

      @@gcm4312 iS juSt tHe puBlisHer. Heard about development hell and paradox dlc policy?

    • @gcm4312
      @gcm4312 Před 2 měsíci

      @@mimir4965 it was just an observation. Go touch grass.

    • @HQbaracuda
      @HQbaracuda Před 2 měsíci

      @@mimir4965 wellp people should distance themselfes from having favourite- and/or hate-publishers, because the games can drastically vary in quality. Even EA as the worst of all the publishers, has games in its inventory, that are considered great. We all see Blizzard as an example of a game studio that went from "dearly beloved" to "hated with a passion" within the last years. So, yeah, Paradox has really cool games, but also they step into a turd here and there, as every other publisher does.

  • @maudin8
    @maudin8 Před 2 měsíci +26

    This looks like a mobile game.

  • @mimir4965
    @mimir4965 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Paradox game feels half-baked at launch and you just know that it will be showered with bare-bones DLCs? Huh..

  • @ste1l1
    @ste1l1 Před 2 měsíci +8

    It's baffling to me that Paradox could publish something as lackluster as this.

  • @elbonnybar
    @elbonnybar Před 2 měsíci

    Civ v looks better than this... Is It better at procesing turns?

    • @Marbozir
      @Marbozir  Před 2 měsíci

      There are some significant performance issues on bigger maps, as well as in late game.

  • @mimir4965
    @mimir4965 Před 2 měsíci

    Age of War mechanics lmao

  • @Breakfast_of_Champions
    @Breakfast_of_Champions Před 2 měsíci

    There is Old World, we don't need another dumbed down Pdx title.

  • @EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV
    @EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV Před 2 měsíci

    Can you conqueror the other player's cities without crippling your economy?
    I don't play Civ because of that mechanic, which stops it being a wargame!
    Having unhappiness or unrest from the glorious conquest of our enemies is way too annoying to put up with! :D
    I would play a wargame version of Civ for sure....

  • @Mark.remarking
    @Mark.remarking Před 2 měsíci +1

    Yes, the combat is fing ugly. Sigh. Id rather play Civ 5 lol.

  • @ffsnickavailable
    @ffsnickavailable Před 2 měsíci +1

    Paradox new games becoming more and more lackluster or worse

  • @MilesDei95
    @MilesDei95 Před 2 měsíci +1

    humankind have the best combat imo out of all 4x. milenia combat has a very bad combat what is the point of it tbh?

    • @michaelstepa8748
      @michaelstepa8748 Před 2 měsíci

      Meanwhile I quit playing Humankind specifically because I found the combat so tedious and frustrating, and slow.

    • @MilesDei95
      @MilesDei95 Před 2 měsíci

      @@michaelstepa8748 there are tastes my friend

  • @anthonyp9591
    @anthonyp9591 Před 2 měsíci

    Civ, after 30+ years is still the best 4x series

  • @deeznutz57
    @deeznutz57 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Kind of crazy how paradox keep publishing these horrible third party games. Kinda smearing thier name in the mud.