Ant-Man: Scott spends 5 years in prison because he puts the needs of others above himself. Captain America Civil War: Scott goes to super villain prison because he sides with Captain America when it comes to the idea of hero registration. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Scott is under house arrest because of his actions in the previous movie and risks further prison time for people he doesn't really know. Endgame: Scott is the catalyst to saving literally half the universe. Quantumania: Scott just doesn't care about others. One of these things is not like the others.
Also, you steal your dad's car, his magazines, his weed, his alcohol, his gun, his credit card, you end up beaten up or in jail or in the middle of a screw-up. Meanwhile, bitches be stealing their dad's research and equipment and fucking around with space time? Nah, she's a genius, nothing's wrong, you should be proud your daughter's so smart, loser! Women in STEM, go girl! Trash. Straight trash. There is no consequence to anything. Death has no consequence in these movies anymore. So what are the stakes even?
Yeah. Speaks to the maturity of the four of them. They disagree, but don't argue or yell. They just sit back, have a chat, and reach a sensible conclusion and agree to disagree in the end. It's really refreshing.
I have a co worker that's obessed with baby Yoda. I swear she has an entire closet of t shirts that involve that thing, and at least three different water bottles, a little plushy sitting on the dash of her car, who knows what else. Perfect Disney consumer.
Me- Why do you love baby Yoda so much? Disney Shill- Gwaga, gah? Ayababa buhbuhba. Da da? Daaa daaaa. Me- Ohhhhh okay... He's relatable? Disney Shill- Gahbababa
>* People complaining about shills * >Disney: "Hahahaha, hold our beer. We'll make a shill that doesn't even get paid to shill! Heck, they'll....they'll even pay US to shill on our behalf!" * maniacal cackling *
Its something cute and baby-ish for all the childless Millennials without actually being a real baby. Disney perfectly preying on the unfulfilled instincts of women.
Disparu (on Mando s3 ep1): 'I thought this was better than the first four episodes of Andor' MauLer: Jesus Fucking Christ! I choked I was laughing so hard at this reaction.
@@BR-dy1ie I've never seen the shows, but Disparu's broader arguments and his positions on TV versus movie (and his defense of his positions) sounded rational to me.
As someone who is not a action fan and prefers slow character series and movies, i thought andor was pretty okay but mostly boring since it lacked something plot wise to get you interested in it and mando is just w/e show as well when nothing great happens. I think andor overall was much better but still both shows are kinda poor entertainment with nothing special in them.
The amount of anime that features children that aren't just there to be cute, should tell you that Disney is producing corporate generate algorithmic trash. Every single episode feels like a first draft, printed from an Online AI generator.
Dispuru is very hit or miss. He is the kind person who probably thinks John Wick is better than The Godfather. If it doesn’t have non-stop action then it’s “boring”. He legitimately liked watching She Hulk over Andor…. Guy needs a technology fast. His brain and dopamine is all out of wack lmao
@MDJ Truth. Or even if he doesn't fix that way (which he should), he needs to recognize that his subjective opinion is veeery distinct from the objective. There are plenty of people that simply don't like The Godfather, but they recognize that it's objectively great, and that's perfectly fine.
I am at the 1:21:09 mark when writing this. Had to stop the video because I am getting heated by the statement "if something happens past episode 4" with Andor. In the first few minutes of episode 1 we get a scene where the titled character gets in scufle with law enforcement that results that goes very wrong for everyone involved. That scene has very good action in it that does well in conveying character for those involved. Look, I understand if the first few episodes ain't your cup tea, but to say nothing happens in the first 4 episodes of Andor is BS. I am tired of hearing "nothing happened" when Andor is mentioned when it did so well to show that multiple things were happening. Its statements like this prove the creators that things like Mando, Kenobi and Book of Boba Fett will do better because the greater audience doesn't pay attention to quality. P.s. Still like Dispuru, I still value his opinion and will always watch a video because he is entertaining to watch.
Lone Wolf and Cub is way too deep and smart in his depiction of violence, spirituality and society to be handled by something like Disney. Yet, even then, I'm shocked at how shallow and superficial Mandalorian is.
@@b.chaline4394 Even a simple take on Lone Wolf, I would have liked. But now it got popular, and it's going to have to put corporate synergy first and foremost before most other things now....
@@motherplayer True. Not to mention, they put themselves in a corner by having Grogu just be a cute baby, unable to talk or really interact with anyone. Whereas in the manga, Daigoro's mix of childish naivety and ruthless adherence to the Meifumado is half of what makes it a one-of-a-kind story in the first place. But hey, gotta sell them Baby Yoda dolls...
As someone who used to work in San Francisco as an armored truck dude I love how SF is portrayed by Hollywood it is the best bits of comedy in their films these days.
@@arthurouvrard8478 Yup, it's your typical battle royale anime but in life action format. Same thing with Squid Game, tho that one at least was a good one. Just goes to show how low expectations are that even a meh or good show in the east is considered amazing in the west
What bothers me most about the Mandolorian atm is how can he get by in a Naboo star fighter? Before he had a gunship which served as not just transport but his literal home. Do they ever address how he is able to transport bounties, store equipment, or any of that? It seems they gave him that ship purely for nostalgia purposes without considering how impractical it is for his profession.
Honestly, they could have used a model similar to Padme's silver ship as a transport. While a bit fancier than the Razor Crest, it has a similar size to it can could be refitted with equipment both for battle, living, and storage. Instead its likely more for a joke about downsizing his fighter. Razor Crest is comparable to a semi truck, while the Naboo starfighter is like a old, two person seating, sports car.
They can't even shoot. They had a lock on with Mandos ship and still missed with like at least a dozen or two guns. Taking a town seems hard for them. I used to think it'd be easy for an army to take over a town, but BoBF final episode proved me wrong. Two Mando warriors, a half dozen bikers on gay coloured bikes, a Wookie that tried to assassinate Boba but was shit, a rancor that somehow got trained, Bobas assistant that disappeared early in the battle and an old lady (with Grogu) somehow can fight an army of enemies with shielded droids the size of a rancor and none of them die. Then again, they did the same to Stormtroopers.
Then the do attack the town! And its even worse. The town has literally no defenses save a single pistol and the capital ship is boofed by a group of 'warriors' who struggled to kill a big turtle crock
40:25 Mando was kind of a ruthless badass in about the first 2 minutes of the first episode, which gave me hopes the show would actually delve into the darker and more grey areas of storytelling. Right after he became the good guy caring about the baby and nothing else.
And as for the Baby Yoda thing, there is so much you can do with that character. In that he is a child, but he is gifted. That scene where he stops a beast with the force should have been a big deal for the characters. If we'd got more time, that would have been one of the points why Mando refuses to turn him in and collect his bounty because from Grogu's perspective Mando has done nothing but protect him. And Grogu protecting Mando should have had more weight than just "that is so cool". No. Its nit even. Because they pull that out their ass. There's shows from Japan like Spy Family and Ergo Proxy that feature child characters. But it is not there just to be "cute". In Ergo Proxy, the child is an android clone of a Mayor who lost his young daughter. That android can do a lot of things with machines, but she's fascinated by people eating, and is curious about when people are sad, angry, anxious. She doesn't understand it. But she learns SOMETHING and even though she doesn't do much for the plot, she's interesting to watch. Because she forces a monster man and a cold, crude, stoic police detective woman to be parents. The dynamics are layered and interesting.
After reading the Thrawn Trilogy it became incredibly easy to divide canon. There was Star Wars and then there was Disney Star Wars. There was what the original creator said was canon and what was more importantly very good and then there was what Disney said was canon that destroys the entire universe and demolished every once beloved character in a myriad of ways. Of course I'll take the video games I loved, the actually well written stories, the Clone Wars micro-series etcetera etcetera over Disney's dumpster fire.
Because they are made by people that give a damn about the story and universe. And so they lose more than just money if they mess up. As for the Thrawn trilogy, I haven't read it, but it sounds like it started with an idea and wasn't all "make it up as we go along." There are stakes. Mandolorian is just content for content's sake. Because Disney+ needs content. And yes Disney is losing money, but its not like they care. Because there's ten other Star Wars shows coming. Everytime I watch anything about Mandolorian I think of Tarantino. Tarantino movies are less about plot and more about characters. His last movie was about a real life tragedy but that was only on thread, the central focus was two friends who deal with their fading star in entirely opposite ways and are yet best friends. Mando is light on plot, but you could make up for that with good characterization. Imagine Tarantino directing a show about a gunslinger in space.
100% agree. I think the first Kotor is the best, but Kreia from Kotor 2 is such a fascinating character. The conversations with her about the force are mind-blowing.
I am one of those people who thought Andor was engaging throughout. Intelligent dialogue, world building, and character development are what I would consider top-notch entertainment.
Okay, I have to comment on all that Mandalorian Darksaber business because it's a great deal dumber than the panel realizes. All the way back in Filoni Clone Wars, Mandalore was ruled by the Duchess Satine, who was like Padme on steroids and even dumber. The holder of the Darksaber was Pre-Vizila and his lieutenant, Bo-Katan, were leaders of a terrorist organization that kept trying to overthrow Satine. Also note that Bo-Katan is her sister, which makes her an even bigger jerk. Also, just because he had the Darksaber didn't mean he was the rightful ruler of Mandalore; that was the Duchess even though she was an incompetent pacifist. After many attempts to overthrow her, Pre-Vizila teamed up with Darth Maul's criminal syndicate to give Mandalore a Summer of Love Peaceful Protest so that everyone lost faith in Satine. After she was deposed, Maul challenged Pre-Vizila to a duel to be the rightful ruler. Maul won and Bo-Katan refused to accept her own dumb civilization's rules and ran away for twenty years. So, first of all, the Darksaber as a token of authority was a retcon from Filoni Wars. Pre-Vizila never used to say that he was the rightful ruler. Second, the Darksaber itself wasn't heavy in Clone Wars either; Pre-Vizila used it one-handed, meaning Mando is a pussy who doesn't lift, bro. Third, Mando's weird religion is like the Amish of Mandalorians because Death Watch were perfectly fine taking off their helmets and they were more influential to the state of Mandalorian affairs than Mando's has ever been. Mando's armor smith might as well be a larper making up rules as she goes along seeing as how her group is just three people.
It's weird how Bo-Katan keeps being presented as almost, if not fully, a righteous figure, when not only was she part of a brutal terrorist organization of extremist nationalists, but unlike Vizsla she didn't even have the single saving grace of not being a hypocrite. Vizsla accepted his death, all but gave Maul his blessing in those final moments -- yes, you're the strongest, you beat me, you are in charge. Granted, I get that accepting an insane Sith as your leader is a tall prospect even for Death Watch Mando-Nazis, so Bo-Katan refusing to accept it is understandable, but it still means she's a hypocrite and, arguably, a traitor to her faction. So she's a traitor to Mandalore and to the Death Watch.
The Dark Saber was a symbol of Clan Vizla, not of the Mandalore. It's an element of Mandalorian politics, specifically of house politics but it has nothing to do with the Royal Regalia which is such a weird change.
The discussion on the Darksabre is the exact thing Harry Potter fans dealt with through the friggin' Elder Wand in the last book. And even that story had fewer plotholes and contrivances than D+ grade SW.
I do not agree with Disperu when it comes to TV being better than movies. While I agree with his point, it speaks a lot about your talent when you can get a point across in a short amount of time. As a big fan of short stories like Conan and the Shadow, if you can convey the point you are trying to make in a short amount of time, it demonstrates an understanding of what you are doing. Hell, the Critical Drinker himself proves this point to a T as a lot of his videos are 10 minutes long and he still manages to hit every single point of his criticism near flawlessly. What I think the problem is with contemporary media is self-indulgence. The reason why you are seeing a lot of flops with three hour movies is a lot of people don’t want to sit through a boring, slow-paced, uninformed lecture made by a rambling wannabe vlogger who has been given too much money. And if I wanted to hear a long rambling conversation that ultimately goes nowhere, I can tune to that for free on YT.
People think length=quality when you can look at things like Lost and Game of Thrones where all this time spent leading up to a shit conclusion basically renders the whole thing shit, or a show like Velma that spends all of its duration being vile shit. Disparu is just a contrarian who thinks his critique is the average persons.
@@Gojeto346 To support his point, Lord of the Rings and RRR are long-ass movies that don't feel like a drag because at no point do I feel like my time is being wasted. Because all of those movies are jam-packed with major plot points, action, and exposition. Plus, I do think he's on to something when he mentioned that the quality of TV dropped when the budgets got bigger. One thing I've noticed across movies, TV and video games is the more money people have, the less creative they get because feature creep tends to come in.
I remember KoTOR, which had the Mandalorians as incredible warriors who launched a bloody war the required the Republic to engauge in incredibly unethical tactics to win. Remember, they had to detonate A PLANET to get an upper hand on Mandalore. How far they've fallen.
Yeah I'm not a fan of Disparu in this one. His metric for judging the quality of something like Mando compared to Andor is ridiculous. He's very quick to throw his hands up and be like 'I didnt watch Boba Fett!' or 'I only watched the first 4 of Andor!' when the other guys are just trying to bring up examples to illustrate a point. It's irritating, especially when he's regularly drawing from Alice in Borderlands?? I also find it insanely annoying when he's making a point, begins to trail off because he's run out of things to say, but then starts to shout over others with just the same argument when they begin to respond to him.
People say, that “it’s great to hear honest opinions”. But unlike others his opinions are opinions of a person who doesn’t know anything about movies. I’m not interested in his takes at all. I mean, drinker doesn’t agree with everyone too, but his takes are legit, since he knows what he is talking about. Disparu isn’t a movie fan, as It seems to me.
He's drunk, he was getting an irregular amount of stuff wrong , not his views or anything, straight up mistaking words and show titles. He even claims to have only watched four episodes of the Mandalorian once.
The state of Manadlore is mostly because of Bo Katan. When Maul took over Deathwatch she ran to the Republic for help. Not because he was a evil sith but because he was an outsider. She and Deathwatch were wiping out entirely Villages for the fun of it. She has no grounds to stand on here.
@@pezdispencer113 It still hardly if ever addressed that it her fault. Dave had an had an interview for Rebels when he said that she matured during the years between TCW and rebels. Would have been nice to see some of that.
Based on Disparu's take on movie focus, being action oriented or character oriented, I was really hoping someone was going to throw Saving Private Ryan at him to see on which side of that line he landed on with it.
I really appreciate the different opinions and the respect displayed by opening subjective debate. End result is that all parties have simultaneously clarified their perspective ensuring their opinion is more robust and justifiable AND are now more open to alternative perspectives. That is the point of debate which is sadly missing from many content creators. Well done lads!
Definitely! They don't agree with Disparu, but they let him finish his sentences, and they don't call him stupid or say that he's inferior because they disagree with him. They find common ground. I wish more critics were like this.
I lol'd when Drinker compared Mandalorian to a videogame plot. Star Wars the Old Republic vanilla storylines are head above all the Disney SW shows (bar Andor, maybe). Especially the Imperial Agent and the SIth Warrior ones.
Mauler would agree with Disparu on the movies dont have enough time fleshing out characters vs tv shows, if Disparu just asked Mauler about Buffy and Angel characters. The character of Spike would never have been done justice in fleshing him out in a movie or a trilogy compared to a tv show. Same for the character of Wesley Wyndam Price. :)
Just look at Angel himself - in his time on Buffy he was played as annoying, weak, vague, then finaally some kind of acting from Boreanaz when he went 'bad'. Imagine the character of Angel if that's all you ever saw of him; Wesley is a great example as you say, but Cordelia also, turns from what she was into who she became by the end of Angel S3. The character of Angel from S1/2 of Buffy on screen-time, versus what the Angel show brought; more is definitely better. The key is ideas plus execution.
I've gotta say, after all these years of poor content being spilled out of Lucasfilm and Disney, deep diving into the EU (real canon) has been one of the best decisions I've made. My main focus is everything before the 2008 Clone Wars show, with exceptions regarding some of the novels released after that. I may have to mentally remove some of the retcons, but I've been having a blast reading the novels. It makes me happy to love Star Wars again, even if it means on relying on the old material.
I keep telling people, if you really wanna see good stories set in the SW universe outside of the movies check out everything around RotS/Clone wars and before. The stuff surrounding the Old Republic alone is well worth the look.
@@coltonwhite2518 Agreed. The Republic Commando series has certainly been one of my favorites. Just started reading Deceived, and I've been enjoying that while I play through The Old Republic game. Its crazy how good we used to have it.
@@captbuckyohare5585 at a certain point Disparu was on the back foot and the other three were putting heat on him for it. It’s understandable he kept trying to defend himself. This is what happens whenever friends talk about movies. It is not unusual at all. That being said, not everyone likes listening to long-winded debates. Drinker should’ve just changed to topic and moved on to something else, because Disparu wasn’t backing down. Nor should he, having different opinions is a good thing.
Am I the only one who was incredibly frustrated with Disparu's overbearing behavior on this stream? He was constantly interrupting the others before they had a chance to finish their thoughts or questions. It's okay to do this on occasion when warranted, such as to provide clarity on a point to avoid misinterpretation, but he was doing it CONSTANTLY for no valid reason. One of the aspects I absolutely love about Open Bar is that the conversations are incredibly civil when it comes to sharing thoughts and letting others speak... except for this one. I stopped listening about 1/3 of the way in and won't tune into any in the future that include him.
Yeah I agree, I don't wanna hold it against him but it gets on the nerves real quick. I think he settled down a little bit as the stream went in though.
I've never understood why so many FNT fellowship members like Disparu so much. He's not particularly insightful or witty, he can be very narrow-minded at times and, yes, very rude. Oh, and he laughs at his own "jokes".
When you guys talk about Multiverses, and the how you can just pull the same character from another world, it reminds me of that Robit Chicken skit where Batman is tired of going to heroes' funerals.
The dark saber _can_ be a cool concept. Mandalorians have had the “the strongest rules” society since before Disney bought Star Wars. The saber should just be a physical representation of that. The problem is they’re doing a piss poor job of handling it. Bo-Katan doesn’t even try challenging Mando, even though that’s what would make sense. I get the feeling they’re _intentionally_ framing the Mandalorian hierarchy as stupid so that Bo-Katan can tear it down later. I hope I’m wrong though.
The pirates are the dumbest villains in Star Wars, which -- given Disney Star Wars' extensive content -- is saying something. The gunfight literally starts because they want to get a drink in their favourite drinking spot, and are told it's not actually a bar anymore (it's a school now). They insist they want to go in and have a drink. They're told "that's not a bar." They insist. This is the hill they choose to *literally* die on -- "I used to go bowling here, and I'm having a game of ten-pin whether you like it or not." "Sir, this is a woman's clothing store now, not a bowling ally". "I will play bowls here OR DIE".
The First Order are worse by far. They get given galactic-scale power on multiple occasions and fumble it - in part because they literally didn't know which direction was up. Never forget!
I love how they've now made those 2009 Hasbro talking helmets canon. The ones where clearly these were aimed at kids, so made the visor bigger so it wouldn't impede thier vision so much. As the helmet looks plastic, they may well have repainted one? Can anybody spot the button under the rangefinder to activate the sounds?
Honestly I'd be fine with them repurposing toys and such for props, since some of the best movies ever made have done that, if the plot wasn't hot garbage haha
Disparu: I prefer television series to movies because they have more time to flesh out characters and plot Also Disparu: Andors first 4 episodes were boring because it took time to flesh out characters and plot Notice how Mauler was asking Disparu on what he would say to ppl who liked Andor and found it engaging, i.e. what was objectively bad about it. Disparus response is "good for you to like it, everyone can like what they want". When Disparu asks Mauler what was good about episode 1 a few moments later, Mauler gives an immediate response with specific examples. But its always nice to watch this group discuss stuff. Differing opinions are always a bonus, especially with civil discussion.
Agreed, he also kept using a one hour episode of Alice in borderland as an example of fleshing out characters with action, but seems to think movies don't have enough time to do both, when they're usually double that length? Although the series has time in previous episodes to set up the stakes/world/narrative, and maybe he would just say that movie writers just aren't talented enough currently. He might've even asserted something like that.
disparu tries way too hard to convince us that he totally isnt watching only for explosions and action. he watches only for action and thats fine but the dudr should stop lying about it
Andor was boring but he misjudged the reason why. It's not because of a lack of action scenes, it's because the main protag was blank and the starwars universe is far too damaged to try to take it serious now.
Kotor 2 had Canderous Ordo take on the mantle of Mandalor. In that role (defacto supreme leader of the clans) he embodies the persona, and like Din Djarin, he speaks through a helmet and doesn't take it off. However his lines are still passionate, emotive and compelling. In fact you'd need to emphasize your intent through voice due to no facial expressions, ie be more expressive. Also, the must "never remove helmet in public ever" was never, ever, ever a cannonical Mandalorian custom. Perhaps in training, rookies might have had a version of that custom (probably still only while in training or combat, makes no sense in casual settings). The only reasons Canderous did that was part Mandalor custom (little c) and part because he'd had made a particular reputation as a mercenary and he didn't want the two identities to overlap or influence people's preconception of the man. Basically, he wanted to make a new Legend of Mandalor, not the continuation of the Legend of Canderous Ordo, sacrificing his own identity to pursue the interest of the Mandalorian people as opposed to being an individual. Djarin has some parallels, and I was hoping season 3 was going to be that story of pursuing the interests of his people, reunification effort, instead of yet another spirit quest to find himself and "regain" honor. Again.
The reason there is so much focus traditionally on male coming-of-age, male adventure, etc., is because of social outlooks stemming from reproductive bottleneck issues. That is, while females are seen as having inherent biological value by virtue of their womb, males have to earn or prove value through actions, character, etc. (As an aside, in terms of labour and economics, it's the opposite. Males traditionally labour for the family line, females will leave for another, and are a drain financially rather than a bonus, so males are seen traditionally as financially more valuable). Culturally we can (and in my mind definitely should) address the consequences of viewing things on reproductive instinct -- for one thing, simply in practical terms, pair bonding systems that value all males and celebrate male cooperation are far more stable than tournament models that only value "competitive" (that is, female-pleasing dominant) males. (Equally, societies that see females as contributors in multiple ways rather than *just* reproductive are more successful). Still, the idea that boys "become" men by trial rather than just by maturing is rooted in our evolution and biology, and will always colour people's reactions. The thing is, the supposed change in values of modern progressivism is never change at all. It's always reactionary, always about reinforcing the old, just in bizarre, self-contradictory ways. The entertainment powers-that-be double down on "females have inherent worth and don't have to earn it" while playing them in male roles -- which is why the female hero isn't proving her worth or growing as a character but just learning how great she was all along. It's females in male heroic roles but still defined classically with female qualities antithetical to the *point* of the role; and also, still perceived as defined by reproductive potential even as settling down and actually having children is condemned now as repressive. And because they're casting females in the hero roles without actually changing or updating how they feel about sex, it means that males aren't needed to fill those roles and thus, all males become the "uncompetitive" ones, so all males are treated the way in which "lesser" males were anyway -- as unworthy, mocked and dismissed. This is why "girl boss" and "girl who's the key to everything" go hand-in-hand with mockery and humiliation of male characters, even when it might seem there's no reason that it should. It's all tournament model sexuality, only warped to the point that even the positives of that system are removed, and all that's left is dysfunction.
1:58:00 Wait, hold up! Cassie had a shrink suit at the protest? She was at a protest, in possession of an ant-man-style, Pym-tech shrink suit, and she got ARRESTED? How the hell were they able to arrest her? What all-fucking-powerful cosmic being did this city police department manage to recruit as a rank-and-file beat cop?
You know, I recently heard about this, but apparently the actress who played Cassie in Endgame; Emma Fuhrmann. Wasn’t aware that she was being recasted in Ant-Man 3 until they announced it.
I was on Tiktok (I know) and I was surprised to see far more people calling out The Mandalorian S3. But also the same fans calling us 'toxic' and 'unable to be pleased' and 'bots' as well. So, not much has changed.
Disparu: when you mentioned Buffy in your TV series vs movies epic expostulation, it reminded me of what Sarah Michelle Gellar said when, following the end of the TV show, she was asked about the possibility of doing a movie sequel. She said then that it took a whole twenty-plus episodes to tell a Buffy story; how could they do the same thing in 2 hours? TV shows like Buffy almost pioneered the series-long arc for character development; other shows had had long running character sub-plots, but it was with Buffy and its assorted contemporaries that the format was refined to the extent that became the norm. The action in Buffy was always good (from Season Three onwards, anyway) but as somebody said at the time, nobody was watching Buffy every single week because of the action. What Joss Whedon did so successfully was to integrate the action into the plot--Buffy was a vampire slayer, so even when she wasn't actively out slaying that still coloured every single element of her life. Stan Lee did the same thing with the Marvel characters: he made each one's power integral to how and why he fought, unlike most of the DC characters where the heroes could have been anyone under their masks (Tony Stark literally was Iron Man because of his heart condition; Bruce Banner was the Hulk because he had been exposed to gamma rays (from a bomb he himself had built - and as a result of saving someone's life), the Fantastic Four got their powers testing Reed's rocket which Ben was piloting and that was what made him into the Thing - there was a direct line of causality between who the person was before they got their powers and what they did after they got them). Long form storytelling is always more immersive, even if it often lacks the immediacy of the shorter form. I love TV shows and movies, but I can watch a TV show over and over in a way I can't a movie. And for the record, I'm probably three times your age and have seen more shows and movies than you can imagine. But don't worry - at the rate you're going, you'll catch up. Edit: Just heard what you had to say about SHIELD on TV. Totally agree, although I don't hate Winter Soldier. SHIELD is one of my favourite TV shows because it does all the things that Buffy did and that my other favourites do: gives you an ensemble cast with a strong family feel.
Ok, I get Disparu was trying to make a point, but my god he needed to just stop talking. Will have to come back to this again later, his arguments are hurting my head. I have never heard the 'movie characters are all shit' take before 😂
09:00 I completely agree with Platoon... I wanted to get as far away as possible from the atrocity that was the sequel series... Mando was a refreshing bottle of clean water in an otherwise sea of poisonous shit of Disney's design and malice intent. Don't get me wrong, Rogue one was also a nice little respite from mainline Disney as well. However, Mando was exactly what they needed to save any face with the alienated audience after the third movie... Had it not come out I have a feeling it'd be a few years before we saw something Star Wars... I still wonder what dirt KK has on those executives to not have lost her job after purposefully tanking a few billion dollar investment.
I think Disparu might have been having his point busted and he wouldn’t relent and admit there are exceptions to his rule about you can’t make good character driven stories in a movie.
"Baby Yoda" merchandising was an oversight. Disney/Lucasfilm didn't have products in development/production until after the second season. Once his popularity was realized, products were "fast tracked" into production. This is at a time when toys on store shelves, prior to releases, spoil stories and character reveals. Lucasfilm, on all levels, is miserably mismanaged.✌🏽
Love this stream! unlike other film critic streams that just insult and bad mouth rubbish shows. You actually try to think and describe how it could of been made better 👌 love the reference to Alice in borderland too, thought I was the only one who watched that, it was alright, kept me more entertained than anything from Disney +
Disparu has a point around he 56 minute mark. And I sometimes think it is underappreciated about recent reference to shit. What have you watched recently that makes you think this is good? Because recent reference, and hell expectations can seriously skew a viewing of something. Go into something with low enough expectations and you'll think 35 minutes of a dog having explosive shits would be a good time. As far as Mando Season 3, at least episode 1 goes, it is fine, in so far as it didn't do anything out of left field, anything insane, didn't do anything to offend, it was just there with some fan service and 30-something minutes of being able to turn your brain off, and unfortunately for some, and probably fortunately for a lot, that is all a likely majority of the consumers care about. In short it was entertaining enough for the majority of the consumers and in a month it will be forgotten by them.
on the Bo Katan comment, this was covered in the Clone Wars series. It was not that they were progressive, they were trying to get away from isolationist policies which almost caused them to all die off. The group Death Watch was a faction that wanted to go back to the old warrior ways which included isolationism etc. The group Mando belonged/belongs to is Death Watch.
1:09:00 Disparu, when movies are written excellently, masterfully, and near flawlessly, and there's many examples, they can reach artistic heights higher then anything on TV. The art form of movies is far harder to do well than Television shows.
I don't think people who liked the first two seasons of Mando necessarily liked this episode. I liked the first two seasons but didn't like the opener. They brought back a dead character (again) whose story should have been over, the writing is worse than before, plus Grogu and Mando should have been separated which Book of Boba Fett destroyed. Season two opener was far better
A ton of action occurs in Jaws before you see the villain. One could argue it is the best action because it is blended with the tension and terror of an unseen threat in an environment similar to a nightmare where you can't run. John Wick one's character is built more on the circumstances of losing his wife and puppy, rather than his actual depth. The beginning hook of John Wick 1 is mostly female centric emotional pandering that holds up a rather blank stoic male protector who happens to be very capable in that role. Its a female fantasy with great action and a popular female sex symbol. Smart movie making that. Disparu raises a very a compelling point about TV series and film.
You put much more thought into the MCU then anyone at Disney does, personally i gave up on that garbage ages ago and Baby Yoda is the only thing making money for Star Wars at the moment 😅
I, probably like them, kind of have them in a different area of my brain than "mcu" movies. I mean they predate the MCU I think, since Iron Man was the kickoff.
@@aquapendulum def didn't agree with his Andor take but his main argument that ended up rabbit holing is, Andor could have some stuff cut to help speed up pacing. if it is a weekly episode release, he isnt that wrong. the counter to that is watch it in the arc batches because that helps keep details fresh.
@@toddsalisbury3851 I'm not convinced of this argument until I actually see a fan edit of Andor to compare and contrast what specifically could have been cut out and whether it improves or worsen the story. Think you can do better than the editor of the show? Prove it. ShotCut, Kdenlive, Avidemux, OpenShot and Olive Video Editor are all free tools you can use.
I loved S1 of Alice in border lands. S2 not as much but some of the games which fleshed out some of the characters was phenomenal writing but the season overall doesn't hold up compared to 1.
It was this episode that made me realize that Disparu just likes action and gets bored easily and thinks that's bad for stories. It's a crap argument to say a story isn't worthwhile if we have to sit through story waiting to get to action. 1:23:00 Disparu just admitted he doesn't pay attention to anything if it's not action.
Race-swapping established characters is almost always mean-spirited. It is the ideological desire to piss off normal people who are fans of the original, and they are revelling in your discomfort. I would also disagree with Disparu on the idea that it is because they are obsessed with casting that it suffers; sure, they are obsessed with politics and attacking their political opponents by any means necessary, but it is also setting them up to use tribal politics to cover their arses if the movie sucks, by calling everyone who doesn't like the movie a racist troll. They know how the argument will play out, they have the bully pulpit, therefore they cannot lose and will save face among their peers (who are the only people who matter to them), even if they sacrifice fan goodwill so that they cannot win, they have gamed the system and dunked on their ideological enemies, so it's all good from their point of view. It will keep being this way until corporations care about making money again, because it currently shields them from left wing criticism if they throw in tokenism of minority groups, and that is why they keep letting the spiteful activists take control. It worked against Occupy Wall Street to push identity politics to drown out economics (which the left was about before), and has been standard policy ever since.
Ant-Man: Scott spends 5 years in prison because he puts the needs of others above himself.
Captain America Civil War: Scott goes to super villain prison because he sides with Captain America when it comes to the idea of hero registration.
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Scott is under house arrest because of his actions in the previous movie and risks further prison time for people he doesn't really know.
Endgame: Scott is the catalyst to saving literally half the universe.
Quantumania: Scott just doesn't care about others.
One of these things is not like the others.
Also, you steal your dad's car, his magazines, his weed, his alcohol, his gun, his credit card, you end up beaten up or in jail or in the middle of a screw-up.
Meanwhile, bitches be stealing their dad's research and equipment and fucking around with space time? Nah, she's a genius, nothing's wrong, you should be proud your daughter's so smart, loser! Women in STEM, go girl!
Trash. Straight trash. There is no consequence to anything. Death has no consequence in these movies anymore. So what are the stakes even?
Yeah, he's not in jail in Endgame. After all he's a prisoner of a terrible script in Quantamania.
God forbid the guy enjoy his life for a little while.
The panel: “but character development! Storytelling!”
Disparu: 🗿
Well, in Alice in Borderland...
@@nittomckain9739 isn't that based on a Japanese manga
@@sarov7658 Yes I think so. But it's not the point, rather it's basically Disparu's point of comparison for EVERYTHING.
Really nice to come to a stream where people disagree and just chat about that rather than getting stressed out about it.
or trying to cancel each other 👍
Yeah. Speaks to the maturity of the four of them. They disagree, but don't argue or yell. They just sit back, have a chat, and reach a sensible conclusion and agree to disagree in the end. It's really refreshing.
I know right it's almost unreal, like a alternative dimension
It's the art of discussion and debate. What we have now in the mainstream media is comply or be labelled a "pobe" of some kind.
How dare you enjoy this stream! 😀
Mando Fans: "Whaddya mean I have to watch another show to figure out what's going on?!"
Marvel Fans: "First time?"
Iron Man 1 and Revenge Of The Sith: “Let’s show current Marvel and Star Wars how good storytelling is done, shall we?
Iron Man 1 didn’t have enough youngling slaughter for my tastes.
Comic book fans: "Amateurs"
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Kingdom Hearts fans: "Y'all are so cute."
Saw this coming during TFA
I have a co worker that's obessed with baby Yoda. I swear she has an entire closet of t shirts that involve that thing, and at least three different water bottles, a little plushy sitting on the dash of her car, who knows what else. Perfect Disney consumer.
Me- Why do you love baby Yoda so much?
Disney Shill- Gwaga, gah? Ayababa buhbuhba. Da da? Daaa daaaa.
Me- Ohhhhh okay... He's relatable?
Disney Shill- Gahbababa
>* People complaining about shills *
>Disney: "Hahahaha, hold our beer. We'll make a shill that doesn't even get paid to shill! Heck, they'll....they'll even pay US to shill on our behalf!" * maniacal cackling *
@@inventgineer this comment puts the biggest smile on my face, and not for the reason you're thinking 😂👍.
Its something cute and baby-ish for all the childless Millennials without actually being a real baby. Disney perfectly preying on the unfulfilled instincts of women.
@@Scaevola77 Lol exactly what i was thinking. It stirs the maternal instincts in all the single childless women out there.
Disparu (on Mando s3 ep1): 'I thought this was better than the first four episodes of Andor'
MauLer: Jesus Fucking Christ!
I choked I was laughing so hard at this reaction.
It's good to have different opinions in a podcast like this. But an opinion like that? fuck...
Disparu is just a outrage farmer. Has no content beyond that
Maddening arguments to be honest.
@@BR-dy1ie I've never seen the shows, but Disparu's broader arguments and his positions on TV versus movie (and his defense of his positions) sounded rational to me.
As someone who is not a action fan and prefers slow character series and movies, i thought andor was pretty okay but mostly boring since it lacked something plot wise to get you interested in it and mando is just w/e show as well when nothing great happens. I think andor overall was much better but still both shows are kinda poor entertainment with nothing special in them.
I feel like the Mandalorian works better if Grogu is an actual character and not a merchandising opprotunity.
They haven't done that though. He's always been nothing but a plot device.
The amount of anime that features children that aren't just there to be cute, should tell you that Disney is producing corporate generate algorithmic trash. Every single episode feels like a first draft, printed from an Online AI generator.
If he was a character he would have stayed with Luke.
It would've worked better if they had the balls to go through with removing him past s1
@@ggt47 👍👍👍
Even with their avatars, I saw Mauler and Little Platoon's heads explode when Disparu said the first episode of Mando season 3 is better than Andor. 😂
It’s a very normie thing to say. Andor has disgusting things like dialogue, and doesn’t have enough shootie-shooties.
Dispuru is very hit or miss. He is the kind person who probably thinks John Wick is better than The Godfather. If it doesn’t have non-stop action then it’s “boring”. He legitimately liked watching She Hulk over Andor…. Guy needs a technology fast. His brain and dopamine is all out of wack lmao
@MDJ Truth. Or even if he doesn't fix that way (which he should), he needs to recognize that his subjective opinion is veeery distinct from the objective. There are plenty of people that simply don't like The Godfather, but they recognize that it's objectively great, and that's perfectly fine.
@@mdj4197
In Disparu's defense, the John Wick series are objectively good movies (so far).
I haven't seen The Godfather.
@Kalie Faul The first movie was the only really good one. The others are very much just shootie-shootie movies.
I wonder if Disparu likes Alice in Borderlands
Idk I feel like he would say so if he did
I want someone to love me as much 😢
Nah, he was bored by it. He LOVED Andor!
Doesn't seem like his thing
Disparu is a ###£
I am at the 1:21:09 mark when writing this. Had to stop the video because I am getting heated by the statement "if something happens past episode 4" with Andor. In the first few minutes of episode 1 we get a scene where the titled character gets in scufle with law enforcement that results that goes very wrong for everyone involved. That scene has very good action in it that does well in conveying character for those involved. Look, I understand if the first few episodes ain't your cup tea, but to say nothing happens in the first 4 episodes of Andor is BS. I am tired of hearing "nothing happened" when Andor is mentioned when it did so well to show that multiple things were happening. Its statements like this prove the creators that things like Mando, Kenobi and Book of Boba Fett will do better because the greater audience doesn't pay attention to quality.
P.s. Still like Dispuru, I still value his opinion and will always watch a video because he is entertaining to watch.
the more i see little platoon working with you guys, mauler, drinker and FNT the better..
more, *_more_*
you didn't mention Disparu :D
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@@Cobusftwmahoniez for good reason.
I find Disparu’s videos fun to listen to. It seems like he’s a marmite personality from the comments though
Mandalorian should have just been Star Wars Lone Wolf and Cub. Always amazed at how Hollywood, with out fail, fucks something so simple up.
Such wasted potential
How many Star Wars shows could just be mined from the canon of Cowboy, War Movies, and Samurai films
Lone Wolf and Cub is way too deep and smart in his depiction of violence, spirituality and society to be handled by something like Disney. Yet, even then, I'm shocked at how shallow and superficial Mandalorian is.
@@b.chaline4394 Even a simple take on Lone Wolf, I would have liked. But now it got popular, and it's going to have to put corporate synergy first and foremost before most other things now....
@@motherplayer True. Not to mention, they put themselves in a corner by having Grogu just be a cute baby, unable to talk or really interact with anyone. Whereas in the manga, Daigoro's mix of childish naivety and ruthless adherence to the Meifumado is half of what makes it a one-of-a-kind story in the first place. But hey, gotta sell them Baby Yoda dolls...
As someone who used to work in San Francisco as an armored truck dude I love how SF is portrayed by Hollywood it is the best bits of comedy in their films these days.
Ooh please elaborate - I bet you have some crazy stories haha modern San Fran has gone insane
Take a shot everytime Disparu brings up Alice In Borderland
You'll kill us all!
I desperately wanted him to shut up about it.
Yeah I want to watch know to see if it’s good .
@@teneiamitchell2650 don't bother, it's cringe. Imagine Lost but in Tokyo. With even worse writing and unbearable "anime-style" overacting.
@@arthurouvrard8478 Yup, it's your typical battle royale anime but in life action format. Same thing with Squid Game, tho that one at least was a good one. Just goes to show how low expectations are that even a meh or good show in the east is considered amazing in the west
I don't know what Alice in Borderland is. But I know I hate it now.
What bothers me most about the Mandolorian atm is how can he get by in a Naboo star fighter? Before he had a gunship which served as not just transport but his literal home. Do they ever address how he is able to transport bounties, store equipment, or any of that? It seems they gave him that ship purely for nostalgia purposes without considering how impractical it is for his profession.
Pandering to nostalgia is all that matters rather than practicality and utility or good storytelling
I SAW NABOO STARFIGHER AND I CLAPPED 😂😂😂
It has a bag of holding
Honestly, they could have used a model similar to Padme's silver ship as a transport. While a bit fancier than the Razor Crest, it has a similar size to it can could be refitted with equipment both for battle, living, and storage. Instead its likely more for a joke about downsizing his fighter. Razor Crest is comparable to a semi truck, while the Naboo starfighter is like a old, two person seating, sports car.
@@otterfire4712 I loved Padme’s silver ship in Revenge Of The Sith
This was my biggest gripe too: The Pirates have an entire capital spaceship, brimming with weapons, and they can't attack a town on a planet?
They can't even shoot. They had a lock on with Mandos ship and still missed with like at least a dozen or two guns. Taking a town seems hard for them. I used to think it'd be easy for an army to take over a town, but BoBF final episode proved me wrong. Two Mando warriors, a half dozen bikers on gay coloured bikes, a Wookie that tried to assassinate Boba but was shit, a rancor that somehow got trained, Bobas assistant that disappeared early in the battle and an old lady (with Grogu) somehow can fight an army of enemies with shielded droids the size of a rancor and none of them die. Then again, they did the same to Stormtroopers.
They are pirates in the same way that Boba Fett was a crime lord.
Then the do attack the town! And its even worse. The town has literally no defenses save a single pistol and the capital ship is boofed by a group of 'warriors' who struggled to kill a big turtle crock
40:25 Mando was kind of a ruthless badass in about the first 2 minutes of the first episode, which gave me hopes the show would actually delve into the darker and more grey areas of storytelling. Right after he became the good guy caring about the baby and nothing else.
And as for the Baby Yoda thing, there is so much you can do with that character. In that he is a child, but he is gifted. That scene where he stops a beast with the force should have been a big deal for the characters. If we'd got more time, that would have been one of the points why Mando refuses to turn him in and collect his bounty because from Grogu's perspective Mando has done nothing but protect him. And Grogu protecting Mando should have had more weight than just "that is so cool". No. Its nit even. Because they pull that out their ass.
There's shows from Japan like Spy Family and Ergo Proxy that feature child characters. But it is not there just to be "cute". In Ergo Proxy, the child is an android clone of a Mayor who lost his young daughter. That android can do a lot of things with machines, but she's fascinated by people eating, and is curious about when people are sad, angry, anxious. She doesn't understand it. But she learns SOMETHING and even though she doesn't do much for the plot, she's interesting to watch. Because she forces a monster man and a cold, crude, stoic police detective woman to be parents. The dynamics are layered and interesting.
A baby that isn't his. Love those feminist undertones.
I think the frog wizard thing would make a good villain after his dad reestablishes the violence-worshipping, amoral cult of Mandalore.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 what you described sounds exactly like dorothy from Big-O
Fan babies require a good guy to care for them.
In regards to the Old Republic/EU, as a casual Star Wars fan, I definitely agreed that it still remains canon. KOTOR 1 and 2 are amazing games
KOTOR 1&2 are far more canon to me than the sequel abortion.
After reading the Thrawn Trilogy it became incredibly easy to divide canon. There was Star Wars and then there was Disney Star Wars. There was what the original creator said was canon and what was more importantly very good and then there was what Disney said was canon that destroys the entire universe and demolished every once beloved character in a myriad of ways. Of course I'll take the video games I loved, the actually well written stories, the Clone Wars micro-series etcetera etcetera over Disney's dumpster fire.
Because they are made by people that give a damn about the story and universe. And so they lose more than just money if they mess up.
As for the Thrawn trilogy, I haven't read it, but it sounds like it started with an idea and wasn't all "make it up as we go along." There are stakes.
Mandolorian is just content for content's sake. Because Disney+ needs content. And yes Disney is losing money, but its not like they care. Because there's ten other Star Wars shows coming.
Everytime I watch anything about Mandolorian I think of Tarantino. Tarantino movies are less about plot and more about characters. His last movie was about a real life tragedy but that was only on thread, the central focus was two friends who deal with their fading star in entirely opposite ways and are yet best friends.
Mando is light on plot, but you could make up for that with good characterization. Imagine Tarantino directing a show about a gunslinger in space.
TCW and disney canon isnt Canon.
they can create their filoni disney wars
100% agree. I think the first Kotor is the best, but Kreia from Kotor 2 is such a fascinating character. The conversations with her about the force are mind-blowing.
I am one of those people who thought Andor was engaging throughout. Intelligent dialogue, world building, and character development are what I would consider top-notch entertainment.
Okay, I have to comment on all that Mandalorian Darksaber business because it's a great deal dumber than the panel realizes.
All the way back in Filoni Clone Wars, Mandalore was ruled by the Duchess Satine, who was like Padme on steroids and even dumber. The holder of the Darksaber was Pre-Vizila and his lieutenant, Bo-Katan, were leaders of a terrorist organization that kept trying to overthrow Satine. Also note that Bo-Katan is her sister, which makes her an even bigger jerk. Also, just because he had the Darksaber didn't mean he was the rightful ruler of Mandalore; that was the Duchess even though she was an incompetent pacifist. After many attempts to overthrow her, Pre-Vizila teamed up with Darth Maul's criminal syndicate to give Mandalore a Summer of Love Peaceful Protest so that everyone lost faith in Satine. After she was deposed, Maul challenged Pre-Vizila to a duel to be the rightful ruler. Maul won and Bo-Katan refused to accept her own dumb civilization's rules and ran away for twenty years.
So, first of all, the Darksaber as a token of authority was a retcon from Filoni Wars. Pre-Vizila never used to say that he was the rightful ruler. Second, the Darksaber itself wasn't heavy in Clone Wars either; Pre-Vizila used it one-handed, meaning Mando is a pussy who doesn't lift, bro. Third, Mando's weird religion is like the Amish of Mandalorians because Death Watch were perfectly fine taking off their helmets and they were more influential to the state of Mandalorian affairs than Mando's has ever been. Mando's armor smith might as well be a larper making up rules as she goes along seeing as how her group is just three people.
It's weird how Bo-Katan keeps being presented as almost, if not fully, a righteous figure, when not only was she part of a brutal terrorist organization of extremist nationalists, but unlike Vizsla she didn't even have the single saving grace of not being a hypocrite. Vizsla accepted his death, all but gave Maul his blessing in those final moments -- yes, you're the strongest, you beat me, you are in charge. Granted, I get that accepting an insane Sith as your leader is a tall prospect even for Death Watch Mando-Nazis, so Bo-Katan refusing to accept it is understandable, but it still means she's a hypocrite and, arguably, a traitor to her faction. So she's a traitor to Mandalore and to the Death Watch.
“tHiS iS ThE wAy”
@@R.E.-Gato Death Watch also never used that phrase, which is one of the reasons why Bo-Katan thought Mando was a weirdo.
The Dark Saber was a symbol of Clan Vizla, not of the Mandalore. It's an element of Mandalorian politics, specifically of house politics but it has nothing to do with the Royal Regalia which is such a weird change.
The discussion on the Darksabre is the exact thing Harry Potter fans dealt with through the friggin' Elder Wand in the last book. And even that story had fewer plotholes and contrivances than D+ grade SW.
I do not agree with Disperu when it comes to TV being better than movies. While I agree with his point, it speaks a lot about your talent when you can get a point across in a short amount of time.
As a big fan of short stories like Conan and the Shadow, if you can convey the point you are trying to make in a short amount of time, it demonstrates an understanding of what you are doing. Hell, the Critical Drinker himself proves this point to a T as a lot of his videos are 10 minutes long and he still manages to hit every single point of his criticism near flawlessly.
What I think the problem is with contemporary media is self-indulgence. The reason why you are seeing a lot of flops with three hour movies is a lot of people don’t want to sit through a boring, slow-paced, uninformed lecture made by a rambling wannabe vlogger who has been given too much money.
And if I wanted to hear a long rambling conversation that ultimately goes nowhere, I can tune to that for free on YT.
Couldn’t have put it better
People think length=quality when you can look at things like Lost and Game of Thrones where all this time spent leading up to a shit conclusion basically renders the whole thing shit, or a show like Velma that spends all of its duration being vile shit. Disparu is just a contrarian who thinks his critique is the average persons.
@@Gojeto346 To support his point, Lord of the Rings and RRR are long-ass movies that don't feel like a drag because at no point do I feel like my time is being wasted. Because all of those movies are jam-packed with major plot points, action, and exposition.
Plus, I do think he's on to something when he mentioned that the quality of TV dropped when the budgets got bigger. One thing I've noticed across movies, TV and video games is the more money people have, the less creative they get because feature creep tends to come in.
I’m with disparu. All the way
I don’t like this guy
I remember KoTOR, which had the Mandalorians as incredible warriors who launched a bloody war the required the Republic to engauge in incredibly unethical tactics to win. Remember, they had to detonate A PLANET to get an upper hand on Mandalore. How far they've fallen.
Going to Dxun and seeing the Mandalorians training and being immersed in their culture was so cool.
The Mandalorian, as a story, makes much more sense if you replace “beskar” with “plot”.
Yeah I'm not a fan of Disparu in this one. His metric for judging the quality of something like Mando compared to Andor is ridiculous.
He's very quick to throw his hands up and be like 'I didnt watch Boba Fett!' or 'I only watched the first 4 of Andor!' when the other guys are just trying to bring up examples to illustrate a point. It's irritating, especially when he's regularly drawing from Alice in Borderlands??
I also find it insanely annoying when he's making a point, begins to trail off because he's run out of things to say, but then starts to shout over others with just the same argument when they begin to respond to him.
Yea I felt that as well.. Dude lost a few people today.. He’s becoming harder to listen to
I think maybe so people are better a making structured videos then live panel so their thoughts are more well though out
People say, that “it’s great to hear honest opinions”. But unlike others his opinions are opinions of a person who doesn’t know anything about movies. I’m not interested in his takes at all. I mean, drinker doesn’t agree with everyone too, but his takes are legit, since he knows what he is talking about. Disparu isn’t a movie fan, as It seems to me.
He's drunk, he was getting an irregular amount of stuff wrong , not his views or anything, straight up mistaking words and show titles.
He even claims to have only watched four episodes of the Mandalorian once.
I think he's just not as articulate in the more off the cuff streaming format vs a written and edited video
The Little Platoon: awesome, as always.
The state of Manadlore is mostly because of Bo Katan. When Maul took over Deathwatch she ran to the Republic for help. Not because he was a evil sith but because he was an outsider. She and Deathwatch were wiping out entirely Villages for the fun of it. She has no grounds to stand on here.
Bold of you to assume the writers of Dave Filoni's Mandalorian would be familiar with what happens in Dave Filoni's Clone Wars.
@@pezdispencer113 It still hardly if ever addressed that it her fault. Dave had an had an interview for Rebels when he said that she matured during the years between TCW and rebels. Would have been nice to see some of that.
Based on Disparu's take on movie focus, being action oriented or character oriented, I was really hoping someone was going to throw Saving Private Ryan at him to see on which side of that line he landed on with it.
I would sleep in a bed made out of the Little Platoon’s voice.
I really appreciate the different opinions and the respect displayed by opening subjective debate. End result is that all parties have simultaneously clarified their perspective ensuring their opinion is more robust and justifiable AND are now more open to alternative perspectives. That is the point of debate which is sadly missing from many content creators. Well done lads!
Definitely! They don't agree with Disparu, but they let him finish his sentences, and they don't call him stupid or say that he's inferior because they disagree with him. They find common ground. I wish more critics were like this.
@@PolarizedMechs Though I agree with you, I wish Dispa would shut up once in a while, so I could listen to the guys I came to listen to...
I don't think Disparu's ignorance of movies helps his overall points.
I like that a big chunk of conversation could be construed as "young people have no patience"
When the stakes are so high, they become meaningless as they become incomprehensible. Cheers to Ant Man bombing!
"I didn't leave Mandalor,Mandalor left me."
🤣🤣🤣
Kang is the Wile E Coyote of the MCU with ACME dynamite
I lol'd when Drinker compared Mandalorian to a videogame plot. Star Wars the Old Republic vanilla storylines are head above all the Disney SW shows (bar Andor, maybe). Especially the Imperial Agent and the SIth Warrior ones.
Really unfortunate though that the other class stories are basically sidelined for the agent and warrior in vanilla.
Imperial Agent was chefs kiss. And let's not forget about KOTOR 1 and 2 - top tier Star Wars like we used to have
At 48:28 Disparu is talking about the classic Canadian Sifi show: "Lexx."
The episode is from season 4 and is called, "The Game."
I love the "12 Angry Men" topics. Three critical voices, and one determined dissenting voice! Battle on!
Mauler would agree with Disparu on the movies dont have enough time fleshing out characters vs tv shows, if Disparu just asked Mauler about Buffy and Angel characters. The character of Spike would never have been done justice in fleshing him out in a movie or a trilogy compared to a tv show. Same for the character of Wesley Wyndam Price. :)
Just look at Angel himself - in his time on Buffy he was played as annoying, weak, vague, then finaally some kind of acting from Boreanaz when he went 'bad'. Imagine the character of Angel if that's all you ever saw of him; Wesley is a great example as you say, but Cordelia also, turns from what she was into who she became by the end of Angel S3.
The character of Angel from S1/2 of Buffy on screen-time, versus what the Angel show brought; more is definitely better. The key is ideas plus execution.
I honestly forgot there was an Obi-wan show
I envy you lol. I wish I could forget it.
Take a shot every time disparu interrupts them
I've gotta say, after all these years of poor content being spilled out of Lucasfilm and Disney, deep diving into the EU (real canon) has been one of the best decisions I've made. My main focus is everything before the 2008 Clone Wars show, with exceptions regarding some of the novels released after that. I may have to mentally remove some of the retcons, but I've been having a blast reading the novels. It makes me happy to love Star Wars again, even if it means on relying on the old material.
I keep telling people, if you really wanna see good stories set in the SW universe outside of the movies check out everything around RotS/Clone wars and before. The stuff surrounding the Old Republic alone is well worth the look.
@@coltonwhite2518 Agreed. The Republic Commando series has certainly been one of my favorites. Just started reading Deceived, and I've been enjoying that while I play through The Old Republic game. Its crazy how good we used to have it.
This is a great line up! Articulated, nobody talks over each other, and entertaining. Thanks
Did... did you not listen to massive chunks of the stream? Disparu was a wrecking ball for the forst 90 mins.
@@captbuckyohare5585I did, it's not perfect but better than listening to 8 people talking over each other and shouting.
@@zogwort1522 Nicely put. I quit listening because I couldn't take Disparu's incessant interruptions anymore.
this has got to be a joke.
@@captbuckyohare5585 at a certain point Disparu was on the back foot and the other three were putting heat on him for it. It’s understandable he kept trying to defend himself. This is what happens whenever friends talk about movies. It is not unusual at all.
That being said, not everyone likes listening to long-winded debates. Drinker should’ve just changed to topic and moved on to something else, because Disparu wasn’t backing down. Nor should he, having different opinions is a good thing.
Open bar is a highlight of the week. And long enough usually to keep me entertained though the week’s worth of lunch breaks 😁👍❤️
Am I the only one who was incredibly frustrated with Disparu's overbearing behavior on this stream? He was constantly interrupting the others before they had a chance to finish their thoughts or questions. It's okay to do this on occasion when warranted, such as to provide clarity on a point to avoid misinterpretation, but he was doing it CONSTANTLY for no valid reason.
One of the aspects I absolutely love about Open Bar is that the conversations are incredibly civil when it comes to sharing thoughts and letting others speak... except for this one. I stopped listening about 1/3 of the way in and won't tune into any in the future that include him.
Yeah I agree, I don't wanna hold it against him but it gets on the nerves real quick. I think he settled down a little bit as the stream went in though.
@@chillpengeru don’t like him too. And he says the first episodes of andor are worse than this ep of mandalorian. Yeah. Right
Yes,he talks too much.
I've never understood why so many FNT fellowship members like Disparu so much. He's not particularly insightful or witty, he can be very narrow-minded at times and, yes, very rude. Oh, and he laughs at his own "jokes".
@@b.chaline4394 you just described FNT crowd
I really appreciated that in-depth discussion about different mediums, and ultimately it boils down to personal taste. Great cast gents
When you guys talk about Multiverses, and the how you can just pull the same character from another world, it reminds me of that Robit Chicken skit where Batman is tired of going to heroes' funerals.
It’s always good to see a video from the Drinker and Company
Except disparu...
The dark saber _can_ be a cool concept. Mandalorians have had the “the strongest rules” society since before Disney bought Star Wars. The saber should just be a physical representation of that. The problem is they’re doing a piss poor job of handling it. Bo-Katan doesn’t even try challenging Mando, even though that’s what would make sense.
I get the feeling they’re _intentionally_ framing the Mandalorian hierarchy as stupid so that Bo-Katan can tear it down later. I hope I’m wrong though.
I love that these guys probably put in more thought about the characterization in the shows they watch than the writers of those shows 😂😂
1:53 LMAO 🤣 you genuinely got me to do a double take.
I’m in Atlanta too brother we like your stuff a lot . Keep on keeping on
DIsparu's pacing rant is entirely what I expected to be the result of someone with ADHD being a bottle deep into whiskey.
After watching Alice in Borderlands
Andor was boring tho
Don’t worry, another fast & the furious will be out soon
The pirates are the dumbest villains in Star Wars, which -- given Disney Star Wars' extensive content -- is saying something. The gunfight literally starts because they want to get a drink in their favourite drinking spot, and are told it's not actually a bar anymore (it's a school now). They insist they want to go in and have a drink. They're told "that's not a bar." They insist. This is the hill they choose to *literally* die on -- "I used to go bowling here, and I'm having a game of ten-pin whether you like it or not." "Sir, this is a woman's clothing store now, not a bowling ally". "I will play bowls here OR DIE".
The pirates are sooo goofy and rediculous but the writers of Disney Star Wars are the TRUE villains
The First Order are worse by far. They get given galactic-scale power on multiple occasions and fumble it - in part because they literally didn't know which direction was up. Never forget!
Bathing in the Mandalorian waters is probably just going to change his armours Color or something so they can make more toys
I love how they've now made those 2009 Hasbro talking helmets canon. The ones where clearly these were aimed at kids, so made the visor bigger so it wouldn't impede thier vision so much. As the helmet looks plastic, they may well have repainted one? Can anybody spot the button under the rangefinder to activate the sounds?
Honestly I'd be fine with them repurposing toys and such for props, since some of the best movies ever made have done that, if the plot wasn't hot garbage haha
great panel - the all stars
Awesome talk from everyone here
Disparu: I prefer television series to movies because they have more time to flesh out characters and plot
Also Disparu: Andors first 4 episodes were boring because it took time to flesh out characters and plot
Notice how Mauler was asking Disparu on what he would say to ppl who liked Andor and found it engaging, i.e. what was objectively bad about it. Disparus response is "good for you to like it, everyone can like what they want". When Disparu asks Mauler what was good about episode 1 a few moments later, Mauler gives an immediate response with specific examples.
But its always nice to watch this group discuss stuff. Differing opinions are always a bonus, especially with civil discussion.
Agreed, he also kept using a one hour episode of Alice in borderland as an example of fleshing out characters with action, but seems to think movies don't have enough time to do both, when they're usually double that length? Although the series has time in previous episodes to set up the stakes/world/narrative, and maybe he would just say that movie writers just aren't talented enough currently. He might've even asserted something like that.
disparu tries way too hard to convince us that he totally isnt watching only for explosions and action. he watches only for action and thats fine but the dudr should stop lying about it
@@laisphinto6372 Sure buddy.
I agree. They had a discussion, they all tried to get where Disparu was going with respect patience and understanding. I really enjoyed that part.
Disparu sounds like someone who hasn't watched a movie prior to the year 2000. Needs to calm down.
Disparu going on about AiB like season 2 wasn't absolutely terrible
Disparu had some L takes on this one but it’s all good glad everyone could remain civil (he does need to learn to calm down a bit tho)
It's probably the bottle
The show is called Open Bar so I'd say it's about time we had someone wasted.
Andor was boring but he misjudged the reason why. It's not because of a lack of action scenes, it's because the main protag was blank and the starwars universe is far too damaged to try to take it serious now.
Kotor 2 had Canderous Ordo take on the mantle of Mandalor. In that role (defacto supreme leader of the clans) he embodies the persona, and like Din Djarin, he speaks through a helmet and doesn't take it off. However his lines are still passionate, emotive and compelling. In fact you'd need to emphasize your intent through voice due to no facial expressions, ie be more expressive. Also, the must "never remove helmet in public ever" was never, ever, ever a cannonical Mandalorian custom. Perhaps in training, rookies might have had a version of that custom (probably still only while in training or combat, makes no sense in casual settings). The only reasons Canderous did that was part Mandalor custom (little c) and part because he'd had made a particular reputation as a mercenary and he didn't want the two identities to overlap or influence people's preconception of the man. Basically, he wanted to make a new Legend of Mandalor, not the continuation of the Legend of Canderous Ordo, sacrificing his own identity to pursue the interest of the Mandalorian people as opposed to being an individual. Djarin has some parallels, and I was hoping season 3 was going to be that story of pursuing the interests of his people, reunification effort, instead of yet another spirit quest to find himself and "regain" honor. Again.
The reason there is so much focus traditionally on male coming-of-age, male adventure, etc., is because of social outlooks stemming from reproductive bottleneck issues. That is, while females are seen as having inherent biological value by virtue of their womb, males have to earn or prove value through actions, character, etc. (As an aside, in terms of labour and economics, it's the opposite. Males traditionally labour for the family line, females will leave for another, and are a drain financially rather than a bonus, so males are seen traditionally as financially more valuable). Culturally we can (and in my mind definitely should) address the consequences of viewing things on reproductive instinct -- for one thing, simply in practical terms, pair bonding systems that value all males and celebrate male cooperation are far more stable than tournament models that only value "competitive" (that is, female-pleasing dominant) males. (Equally, societies that see females as contributors in multiple ways rather than *just* reproductive are more successful). Still, the idea that boys "become" men by trial rather than just by maturing is rooted in our evolution and biology, and will always colour people's reactions.
The thing is, the supposed change in values of modern progressivism is never change at all. It's always reactionary, always about reinforcing the old, just in bizarre, self-contradictory ways. The entertainment powers-that-be double down on "females have inherent worth and don't have to earn it" while playing them in male roles -- which is why the female hero isn't proving her worth or growing as a character but just learning how great she was all along. It's females in male heroic roles but still defined classically with female qualities antithetical to the *point* of the role; and also, still perceived as defined by reproductive potential even as settling down and actually having children is condemned now as repressive. And because they're casting females in the hero roles without actually changing or updating how they feel about sex, it means that males aren't needed to fill those roles and thus, all males become the "uncompetitive" ones, so all males are treated the way in which "lesser" males were anyway -- as unworthy, mocked and dismissed. This is why "girl boss" and "girl who's the key to everything" go hand-in-hand with mockery and humiliation of male characters, even when it might seem there's no reason that it should. It's all tournament model sexuality, only warped to the point that even the positives of that system are removed, and all that's left is dysfunction.
Nailed it
This was thought provoking. Don’t really have anything to add but thank you for the write-up.
Sexist.
Jk, great write-up.
This was worth listening to as I drove several hours to a job site today. Quality content, as always!
1:58:00 Wait, hold up! Cassie had a shrink suit at the protest? She was at a protest, in possession of an ant-man-style, Pym-tech shrink suit, and she got ARRESTED? How the hell were they able to arrest her? What all-fucking-powerful cosmic being did this city police department manage to recruit as a rank-and-file beat cop?
You know, I recently heard about this, but apparently the actress who played Cassie in Endgame; Emma Fuhrmann. Wasn’t aware that she was being recasted in Ant-Man 3 until they announced it.
What a waste
The difference between the actresses in both Endgame and Quantimania could not be any clear
“Man I’m so good I scored a roll so early in my acting tenure!”
“Wait why do I have so many Twitter notifications?”
A blessing in disguise.
@@Brian-us2xz I don’t consider that a blessing but at the same time, I guess it is
I was on Tiktok (I know) and I was surprised to see far more people calling out The Mandalorian S3.
But also the same fans calling us 'toxic' and 'unable to be pleased' and 'bots' as well.
So, not much has changed.
Disparu: when you mentioned Buffy in your TV series vs movies epic expostulation, it reminded me of what Sarah Michelle Gellar said when, following the end of the TV show, she was asked about the possibility of doing a movie sequel. She said then that it took a whole twenty-plus episodes to tell a Buffy story; how could they do the same thing in 2 hours? TV shows like Buffy almost pioneered the series-long arc for character development; other shows had had long running character sub-plots, but it was with Buffy and its assorted contemporaries that the format was refined to the extent that became the norm. The action in Buffy was always good (from Season Three onwards, anyway) but as somebody said at the time, nobody was watching Buffy every single week because of the action. What Joss Whedon did so successfully was to integrate the action into the plot--Buffy was a vampire slayer, so even when she wasn't actively out slaying that still coloured every single element of her life. Stan Lee did the same thing with the Marvel characters: he made each one's power integral to how and why he fought, unlike most of the DC characters where the heroes could have been anyone under their masks (Tony Stark literally was Iron Man because of his heart condition; Bruce Banner was the Hulk because he had been exposed to gamma rays (from a bomb he himself had built - and as a result of saving someone's life), the Fantastic Four got their powers testing Reed's rocket which Ben was piloting and that was what made him into the Thing - there was a direct line of causality between who the person was before they got their powers and what they did after they got them). Long form storytelling is always more immersive, even if it often lacks the immediacy of the shorter form. I love TV shows and movies, but I can watch a TV show over and over in a way I can't a movie. And for the record, I'm probably three times your age and have seen more shows and movies than you can imagine. But don't worry - at the rate you're going, you'll catch up.
Edit: Just heard what you had to say about SHIELD on TV. Totally agree, although I don't hate Winter Soldier. SHIELD is one of my favourite TV shows because it does all the things that Buffy did and that my other favourites do: gives you an ensemble cast with a strong family feel.
Ok, I get Disparu was trying to make a point, but my god he needed to just stop talking. Will have to come back to this again later, his arguments are hurting my head. I have never heard the 'movie characters are all shit' take before 😂
09:00 I completely agree with Platoon... I wanted to get as far away as possible from the atrocity that was the sequel series... Mando was a refreshing bottle of clean water in an otherwise sea of poisonous shit of Disney's design and malice intent.
Don't get me wrong, Rogue one was also a nice little respite from mainline Disney as well. However, Mando was exactly what they needed to save any face with the alienated audience after the third movie... Had it not come out I have a feeling it'd be a few years before we saw something Star Wars... I still wonder what dirt KK has on those executives to not have lost her job after purposefully tanking a few billion dollar investment.
Great story and so much of the story was expressed without words.
I think Disparu might have been having his point busted and he wouldn’t relent and admit there are exceptions to his rule about you can’t make good character driven stories in a movie.
"Baby Yoda" merchandising was an oversight. Disney/Lucasfilm didn't have products in development/production until after the second season. Once his popularity was realized, products were "fast tracked" into production.
This is at a time when toys on store shelves, prior to releases, spoil stories and character reveals. Lucasfilm, on all levels, is miserably mismanaged.✌🏽
Diaparu is hard to watch, his pants seem full.
You guys would make a great band.
Mando should've just bought another droid. I'm calling the seaweedy guy captain seeweed. ARRRR avas yee there laddy give me me space treasure 🤣.
Love this stream! unlike other film critic streams that just insult and bad mouth rubbish shows. You actually try to think and describe how it could of been made better 👌 love the reference to Alice in borderland too, thought I was the only one who watched that, it was alright, kept me more entertained than anything from Disney +
Disparu has a point around he 56 minute mark. And I sometimes think it is underappreciated about recent reference to shit. What have you watched recently that makes you think this is good? Because recent reference, and hell expectations can seriously skew a viewing of something. Go into something with low enough expectations and you'll think 35 minutes of a dog having explosive shits would be a good time.
As far as Mando Season 3, at least episode 1 goes, it is fine, in so far as it didn't do anything out of left field, anything insane, didn't do anything to offend, it was just there with some fan service and 30-something minutes of being able to turn your brain off, and unfortunately for some, and probably fortunately for a lot, that is all a likely majority of the consumers care about. In short it was entertaining enough for the majority of the consumers and in a month it will be forgotten by them.
on the Bo Katan comment, this was covered in the Clone Wars series. It was not that they were progressive, they were trying to get away from isolationist policies which almost caused them to all die off. The group Death Watch was a faction that wanted to go back to the old warrior ways which included isolationism etc.
The group Mando belonged/belongs to is Death Watch.
1:09:00 Disparu, when movies are written excellently, masterfully, and near flawlessly, and there's many examples, they can reach artistic heights higher then anything on TV. The art form of movies is far harder to do well than Television shows.
I thnk I agree with Disparu. John Wick didn't have a character arc. He is the exact same and the world he lives in is the exact same at the end.
I don't think people who liked the first two seasons of Mando necessarily liked this episode. I liked the first two seasons but didn't like the opener. They brought back a dead character (again) whose story should have been over, the writing is worse than before, plus Grogu and Mando should have been separated which Book of Boba Fett destroyed. Season two opener was far better
mando s3: somehow baby yoda returned
Lazy Writing
I like how the idea of micro universes and dimensions is presented in the Three Body Problem series...
A ton of action occurs in Jaws before you see the villain. One could argue it is the best action because it is blended with the tension and terror of an unseen threat in an environment similar to a nightmare where you can't run. John Wick one's character is built more on the circumstances of losing his wife and puppy, rather than his actual depth. The beginning hook of John Wick 1 is mostly female centric emotional pandering that holds up a rather blank stoic male protector who happens to be very capable in that role. Its a female fantasy with great action and a popular female sex symbol. Smart movie making that. Disparu raises a very a compelling point about TV series and film.
I love when Disparu gets an invite to Open Bar. It's like watching Cap and Iron Man squabble and then team up to stomp the real baddies.
Honestly, this was your best video yet! Pissed myself laughing 🤣🤣 I didn't even realize how stupid this episode was 🤣🤣
A bit too much Disparu for my taste.
You put much more thought into the MCU then anyone at Disney does, personally i gave up on that garbage ages ago and Baby Yoda is the only thing making money for Star Wars at the moment 😅
Im surprised no one said Spider-man 1 or especially 2, when it came to the top 3 Marvel movies. Am I the only one who remembers how good they were?
I, probably like them, kind of have them in a different area of my brain than "mcu" movies. I mean they predate the MCU I think, since Iron Man was the kickoff.
Iron Man is better.
Awesome stuff, gents!
the way disparu dismantle piece by piece Maulers feeble attempt of defending LOU made me cream my pants.
Drinker being unaware of George Thorogood's "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer" is absolutely shameful.
Drinker would not have understood the "one" part of the song. "What do you mean he only drinks one Bourbon, one Scotch, and one Beer at a time?"
@@thomasbolman375 This is the only excuse that would get him off the hook.
Hey guys I’d like to welcome you all to Disparu’s Alice in Borderlands podcast, we’re in for a treat today!!!
fr it’s like that’s the only thing the dude has seen, and he won’t let anyone else talk either it’s getting annoying quick
From what I heard, that show gets more mid as it goes on too. Doesn't sound like an Andor killer to me.
@@aquapendulum def didn't agree with his Andor take but his main argument that ended up rabbit holing is, Andor could have some stuff cut to help speed up pacing. if it is a weekly episode release, he isnt that wrong. the counter to that is watch it in the arc batches because that helps keep details fresh.
@@toddsalisbury3851 I'm not convinced of this argument until I actually see a fan edit of Andor to compare and contrast what specifically could have been cut out and whether it improves or worsen the story. Think you can do better than the editor of the show? Prove it. ShotCut, Kdenlive, Avidemux, OpenShot and Olive Video Editor are all free tools you can use.
I loved S1 of Alice in border lands. S2 not as much but some of the games which fleshed out some of the characters was phenomenal writing but the season overall doesn't hold up compared to 1.
It was this episode that made me realize that Disparu just likes action and gets bored easily and thinks that's bad for stories.
It's a crap argument to say a story isn't worthwhile if we have to sit through story waiting to get to action.
1:23:00 Disparu just admitted he doesn't pay attention to anything if it's not action.
Race-swapping established characters is almost always mean-spirited. It is the ideological desire to piss off normal people who are fans of the original, and they are revelling in your discomfort.
I would also disagree with Disparu on the idea that it is because they are obsessed with casting that it suffers; sure, they are obsessed with politics and attacking their political opponents by any means necessary, but it is also setting them up to use tribal politics to cover their arses if the movie sucks, by calling everyone who doesn't like the movie a racist troll. They know how the argument will play out, they have the bully pulpit, therefore they cannot lose and will save face among their peers (who are the only people who matter to them), even if they sacrifice fan goodwill so that they cannot win, they have gamed the system and dunked on their ideological enemies, so it's all good from their point of view.
It will keep being this way until corporations care about making money again, because it currently shields them from left wing criticism if they throw in tokenism of minority groups, and that is why they keep letting the spiteful activists take control. It worked against Occupy Wall Street to push identity politics to drown out economics (which the left was about before), and has been standard policy ever since.
"Nostalgia is stored in the testicles."
-Bilbo Baggins
You four are my avengers.
One of the best open bars ever
so basically they just extended the "previously on" to a full episode
Pretty much