Fantastic Beasts Franchise Officially “Parked” Says Director: What Went Wrong?
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- čas přidán 26. 10. 2023
- John and the crew discuss the director of the Fantastic Beasts movies, David Yates saying during a recent interview that the franchise is “parked” and that nobody ever communicated with him that there was a 5 film plan in place at Warner Bros.
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I'll tell you what went wrong: they needed to make better movies! The first one was mediocre, the second one was a gawd awful mess, and I didn't even bother with the third one!
And they needed an actual screenwriter idk what they were thinking letting JK Rowling do a vanity project instead of planning out a good story written for film
The third was decent, much more on par with the first than the second
The third was the best of the 3 Fantastic Beasts films, easily.
I’m exactly the same with these movies.
This is third time I heard about them pursuing the beast films,,,
To focus on more potter the first 2 times
I think they should have gotten JK to write out the series as novels first and then had them adapted to movies because I find everything wrong essentially stemmed down to the lack of polish that they would have gotten from novels over rushing to get movies out.
Instead of firing Ezra
They put the franchise on hold lol
Whether you like JK Rowling or not, one person who absolutely has to go is David Yates.
To be fair, he’s not an awful director (although, dear lord, the way he lights his scenes is dreadfully dark) but compared to Chris Columbus and Alfonso Cuaron, he has one of the most boring and flat directorial styles in the industry. Again, he’s not bad, he gets the job done, but there’s nothing exceptional or interesting about his direction. Every scene is just the most utilitarian, basic, functional version of that scene. There’s little to no attempt to elevate the story on a visual level.
This guy has made seven wizarding movies, if this franchise has to continue, please let it be someone's vision.
Cauron directed the best movie in the potterverse
Watching adults in the wizarding world is like watching.....adults in the wizarding world......its stupid-no one wants to see that.
The Fantastic Beasts franchise is a mirror image of Prometheus/Alien Covenant; both started out with the intention to do their own thing with new characters in the same Universe as HP and Alien respectively. But after the first films, they switched track and became de facto prequels to the established older films instead. Prometheus' protagonist was even killed off-screen between films, so she could be replaced by a more Ripley-like character in Covenant.
It's a very weird trend, especially because Fantastic Beasts 1 and Prometheus were plenty successful without being direct prequels. Has similarities to the DCEU's pivot as well. Studios don't know what they have, I guess.
I thought these movies would explore the magical creatures, might even get a young Hagrid. But when they veered into Dumbledore and Grindlewald making it more about them, I lost interest 🤷🏾♀️
The first FB movie is one of the best Potterverse movies, and the first half of the second was great.
they should’ve kept it a trilogy instead of getting greedy
I’m holding out hope that maybe they’ll make one more movie to tie up the story. SoD was a definite improvement on CoG but the damage was already done.
My biggest problem with the third film was that it felt like the fourth. There was quite a bit of story development that got skipped.
Hogwarts was in "Crimes of Grindewald"
As someone who loves the Harry Potter books it pains me to say it but the biggest problem were the scripts. I think J.K should come up with the plot points, world, and characters, but let someone else write the actual scripts.
I’m glad they’re pausing it. I have such a love hate relationship with the franchise because of the author of the original books. I loved exploring The Wizarding World. I’d love to see more, and I don’t need a Harry Potter connection.
The original movies had the books to help sell the movie.
They were great movies though
While I understand why Warner Brothers have decided to discontinue with the Fantastic Beasts franchise, I would rather see them have a go at another spinoff (preferably based on the Marauders) rather than a reboot.
Or the Hogwarts founders
I’m surprised they addressed it to be honest, I thought they’d just let it die off- I assumed it had already died. Now I’m curious what they’re trying to do by addressing it or labeling the franchise as “parked”?
I was frustrated that they veered away from showing the Fantastic Beasts, because I thought that was the 1st films strength. I do also agree with Kris that we should've explored more of the Wizarding World. What better way to expand the world of Harry Potter then with another school? Its a place familiar to fans (ie a school for wizards) but unknown since its a brand new location in The U.S.A.; that way the series continues with the various schools being the anchor points or the familiar places for fans, just the location every few films or something and play in that country for a while and tell whatever story you want/need to.
Plus Dumbledor was painted as colder and ambitious in his youth. Where was that Dumbledor?
This wasn’t Dumbledore in his youth.
This was definitely not Dumbledore in his youth. The version you are thinking of is the version right after school.
The first FB film is enjoyable and had a fun story. The second one was a bloated mess; the last one was just meh.
i hated all three of them, they were so bad. and it's especially clear how bad they are when you see Hogwarts Legacy continue the storytelling in the Wizarding World done well
I really love the first film, but these characters just don't really have a lot of appeal for general audiences and they don't really lean into the magical aspects of the world as shown in the Potter films. I love Newt, but I understand why an antisocial adult who doesn't have the same appeal as a teenage boy becoming part of this magical world and interacting with a colorful cast of characters.
Would have been better if the first film had nothing to do with Grindlewald and they just kept it a bit lighter and playful. There was no need to transfer the darkness of Deathly Hallows onto the Fantastic beasts film. Really need to give someone else a go at directing this franchise. I find David Yates to be tepid.
What went wrong? That everybody wanted to see Voldemort from movie number one and anybody wanted so much politics.
What really went wrong with these movies is that they overlapped 2 interesting stories together that had no business overlapping.
Taking a small scale movie with Newts Scimander and friends releasing fantasy based animals in american wilderness while meeting up with Dumbledore is a interesting idea , but when it overlapped with the drama of Dumbledore vs Grindelwald it just had no business being there.
Not to mention we often stay too long within the talent and same crew are there but they become mentally drained (MCU), studio interference (Dark Horror series : Tom Cruise Mummy movie, They're own agenda's written in (SW Sequel trilogy , Rings of Power) or bad adaptations but enjoyable movies (DCEU, The Hobbit Movies, Jurassic World)The studio executives only care when it hurts them financially rather than with a good story and talented people who they're gonna take a gamble with and start something new and exciting with, newer and clever people .Like what we get
With Dune pt1 and the Batman (both of my favourite movies of each year)
I agree I have no problem with the first one ending like it did but then newt and co. should've had reduced roles in the 2nd one and Dumbledore and grindlewald should've been the focus from there on out. Also the first one should've been called fantastic beasts and where to find them. The 2nd one should've just been crimes of grindlewald no fantastic beasts branding. Etc
The problem for me is it didn't feel like the HP verse much at all, so I tend to agree with your thoughts for the mpost part- enjoyable movies, but they obviously just were not what the majority expected- kind of like picking a fancy wrapped chocolate truffle out of a box but upon unwrapping it, finding it is a chocolate coated almond instead.
I also agree that the 90 degree turn for the 2nd movie away from the established fantastic beasts theme & into heavy Dumbledore/ dark arts theme didn't do the frasnchise any favors.
Personally, I think they should have either finished the fantastic beasts story with a second movie if that was the plan or left it as more of a stand alone movie & instead of the second movie, it should have been replaced with a movie beginning the Dumbledore's series.
Like millions of others, I'm enough of a Potterhead that I would have consumed both stories, but I really didn't enjoy the obvious midstory change in direction almost entirely away from the characters & theme that the movies were clearly marketed & branded as.
This is admittedly super nit picky- but for a society which still had enough witches & wizards wearing cloaks or robes as their everyday clothes to the point that during Harry's time (in the 80s & 90's), Harry & even muggles like Vernon noticed & commented on them, there was a decided lack of magical clothing of any sort during these movies- it was more dapper suits & dresses as far as the eyes could see in most the movies, which meant they needed other ways to ground & focus the magical community from muggles, but aside from some magic infused twigs, there wasn't much if any of that present.
Having said all the above, I do hope we get more HP verse movies in the not-to-distant future- I'd be down for even standalone movies set in different parts of the world either via the schools, work or just dumb bad luck with getting caught up in some big event because they happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (or right place at the right time lol)
jk rowling needed to write books and let screenwriters adapt her material into movies. she had too much control this time around and the material she gave the studio wasn't good for a movie.
You gave Newt and Friends a happy ending now focus on the battle between Dumbledore and Grindelwald
The story needed to be better. They totally dropped one of the main characters and flipped another to the dark side so inexplicably, it reminded me of a certain Jedi spontaneously killing younglings. Also the B plots were just nonsensical.
Haven't seen 2 or 3 yet. I loved the first one. Haven't seen any of the Potter movies yet plan to eventually.
I really enjoyed all movies. The problem with them was they used to much of Ezra Miller's Character trying to make him part of Dumbledore's family! Would have loved to see the fight of Dumbledore and Grendalwald.
There was so much outside factors that resulted in this poor box office, it’s such a shame. First of all, so much of the prejudiced and not objective reviews of the last movie which were based on outside controversies and not on the quality of the movie. The movie was treated as a bad one while in reality it was good, and personally I agree with John, I think the overall story was becoming better and progressing. But the reviews were mostly negative, unfairly so. It was difficult to find a good one.
Then of course there was hardly any promo campaign for the movie, literally with minimum interviews and expenses. It seemed to me like WB gave up on it right away and they were just trying to keep their losses to the minimum.
If only FB had better promotion and better, objective reviews, then even with all the controversies I’m sure it could’ve made a 500 millions and then it wouldn’t have been considered a failure.
It’s sad how this franchise is treated as one, while it’s actually quite good. Jude Law is perfect as Dumbledore, and the entire cast is great. These movies could’ve been better, yeah, but they were still done quite well.
I couldn't agree more!! ☺️
@@robertdora7026 🤝🤝🤝
Honestly, they got unlucky. Ezra Miller, Johnny Depp, JK Rowling, and other drama kind of doomed the series to begin with. I suppose now there is no deadline for a great story, however, so if they do another one it's bound to be at least decent.
Pokemon man plays Harry Potter (Newt). Not nearly as much fun as Pokemon.
Is this news? I thought they announced this months ago.
Tjey should have done films set after original books/movies that seems obvious to many.
Agree with Kris about Queenie
They also spit on what was established canon. McGonagall was not a teacher during the timeframe of these films. She hadn't even been a student yet. Dumbledore didn't teach DADA, he taught transfiguration. They just chucked everything established in Harry Potter and threw it out of the window.
Ok number one. Minerva’s age was determined by fans and wasn’t canon and Dumbledore is one of the most powerful characters in the series, he can teach more than one subject. This was blown way over the top by people who WANTED to find a reason to hate this franchise. Nothing that actually mattered for the plot was changed.
Rowling herself established Minerva's age in documents for Pottermore so yes, that makes it canon.
I just want a 60's - 90's set quadrilogy. I especially just want to see Hogwarts in the flower child 60's mixing magic, nature and hippiedom maybe with Into The Mystic playing as Lilly and James learn magic and fall for each other?
I think the problem with not just fantastic beasts but the wizard ding world in general is that it just isn’t targeted towards hardcore fantasy nerds in the same sense as say lord of the rings, GOT, the elder scrolls, the Witcher etc. All those other properties practically take place in the dark ages/ Viking era and are largely inspired by Norse mythology. Wizarding world doesn’t have any of those things and so I think most fantasy nerds like me never grew super attached to fantastic beasts or Harry Potter in general
The second one was so bad that I didn’t even watch the third. I cannot get over how incredibly awful it was. It killed my drive to watch more Harry Potter
This is the 3rd time I heard about them cancelling on the beast films,,
First 2 times it was for bringing back potter films,,
Just thinking hbo is making the potter series??
Each season a book?
Im kinda hoping they go as they did for game of thrones,,
But kid friendlier
Get the Hogwarts Legacy writers to do a live action Potterverse script.
Based on wikipedia, I think the third film ended in a natural spot. Hopefully that's the case
I loved the first Beasts. Didn't like the second. Was pretty neutral on the third.
All in all I'd rate it a C- trilogy.
The second was among the worst films I've ever seen. Long, messy, confusing, boring, cloying... I have nothing good to say. No film deserves to be that bad.
If they stayed with the fantastic beasts and explored the creatures of the wizarding and how newt tries to save them… maybe I’d have stayed interested. The political drama they followed was just awful and too representative of the real world. It’s supposed to be an escape from the real world
Secrets of Dumbledore is awful. It's all about magical politics? About an election? Suprised at you John who feels Rise of Skywalker is awful. That movie at least had some fun action. Secrets of Dumbledore is just weird. And i actually liked the previous two films.
I like the first one hates the second one and never watched the first one
Terrible take
JK Rowling is toxic and transphobic. That's why these movies were not good. Have seen all three. The third was trying to be adult Hogwarts, like others commented, and that is boring! It has the Hook syndrome, that Peter Pan movie where he's grown up., Nobody wants to see him grown up.
Hopefully they will never make The Cursed Child either. Adult 40 something Harry, no.
I enjoyed all 3 movies! I’m die hard Harry Potter fan so maybe I’m just bias.. I don’t really care what J. K. Rowling has said she said what she said and that’s pretty much it her opinion there’s nothing we really can do about it.. I still love her without her.. we wouldn’t of have Harry Potter we wouldn’t have the books/movies or Hogwarts legacy or Harry Potter world.. the stories and great characters and the magic and creative/imagination of it all.. so I would like to see more fantastic beasts movies but I doubt but who knows.. if not, I’ll just stick with the Harry Potter movies and the first three FB movies and and the video games and the books! It’ll be interesting to see the Harry Potter TV show that has been rumoured!🪄
What went wrong is that what works for novelization dors not work for the screen, and adaptations need to be very loose, and emphasise more on visual cues, or implicit cues. Donʼt treat the audience as dummies who need to be delivered lines of plot exposition.