Math Guy Learns the Straddle Front Lever With Fake Long Arms in 1 Day
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- This video demonstrates how longer arms will really make the front lever easier.
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Really cool concept, but had to pause mid video when you say you went from -5cm to +18cm ape. Sorry but no way did those hooks only increase your lever by 11.5cm per arm, I'd go double check my math there if I were you. From the middle of your wrist where the bar normaly would be into the middle of the new hook now it looks honestly like ~x2 of that.
You are right, I made a mistake. Thanks for pointing it out. For some reason I was thinking -5 + 23 = 18. It should be -5 + 23 + 23 = 41, sorry guys at 3:18 it should be +41 cm or +16 inch ape index, so it's not "a bit exaggerated", it's actually quite "exaggerated".
No hate meant at all by this question , but - doesn’t that mean a 2-3 inch difference in ape index should not make much of a difference for front lever? If this massive ape index change only helped you a bit?
Love your vids!!
@@tommy10001 It helped him more than just a little bit though. What seems like a small improvement in the exercise would take a really long time of training to achieve.
@@tommy10001 I think the main point was just proving the mathematical principle how longer lever makes FL easier and that being a fact.
Not to say you don't have a point - it took an insane increase of the lever and ape to have a noticble improvement and not like all the guys went to perfect levers with flawless lines and pointed toes, right. And the main sport where this exercise historically has been always practiced is gymnastic ring routines and in that sport, all the top specialists are very short guys with very short ape indexes because the small advantages you'd get from an 'easy' position like FL is nothing compared to the disadvantages longer arms give you in all the different crosses and planches :D
But yeah this also could be a very cool training tool to fill your gaps between different progressions, often a major struggle with FL training. Being similar to the tools with iron cross where you decrease the lever, but the opposite right :D
NOOOO. Keep the math and physics coming. Please! Great video, per usual.
Agree
I need it. It would be a great way to find new training methods for skills with straight arms
The physics in this video is wrong, I debunked this in a video on my channel. He can front lever this year if he trains for it using my recommendations.
You are a breathe of fresh air in the calisthenics and fitness community. Hope to see this product come to the masses.
I hope more people can try the front lever hooks out too! It was quite magical to be able to get into the straddle position especially when I trained super hard for it for a few years before and failed.
@@GeekClimber just use loop bands
@@GeekClimberwould you ever do a video on the physics of planche with arm length and torso/leg length?
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They're worthless, if geek can't do a full front lever even with inhuman arm length there's an issue somewhere else
god bless frictitious climbing for being so patient 💀
also holy shit cameraman derek is fit af wtf I always thought it was some normal ol joe holding the camera
My guy Derek is definitely a beast! Also yes god bless Frictitious Climbing for being so patient 😆.
I'm kind of sad that to hear that you got so much hate for that video. That video was one that I found super interesting and would love to see you make similar content.
Will be making more similar videos since I don't mind the hate anymore at this point in my CZcams journey!
@@GeekClimbergood! There’s always gonna be haters, but you’re just gotta take their hate in stride just like you did here! Keep up the great work!
@@GeekClimberThe thing is, I believe the things you say
You're an engineer and I can't deny the math. I'm also sure you bring fresh air to the community and you have really great strategies to train for a skill. The thing is that there are enough people who can do calisthenics skills, with short arms. Or with a higher body fat, or whatever. Myself included. So when you quit a skill because it's too difficult or too much work, it just sounds like you don't want to put in the work.
He shouldn't have gotten hate but fl with shorter arm isn't that hard too tbh . A little harder yes . People do Victorian , wide arm front lever , that's way harder. So short arm fl not that hard
@@JayJayvanrielHe spent 390 days specifically on the one arm pull up. You just don’t get it that there exist physical limitations. Like what’s the point of him spending 3 years training just to get a shitty 4 second straddle front lever when he could use that time to get closer to a true blue planche.
Ignore the hate like they ignore the science.
You make this content because nobody else on CZcams does.
I genuinely get excited when I get the notification you posted a new video.
Thanks a lot man! Comment like yours is what motivates me to keep on making new videos!
@GeekClimber you deserve it.amazing videos, insirping and entertaining content.
This is pseudo-science, not science.
@@CyroKarat Yep, a lot of the "haters" brought up legitimate points about the torque at the shoulders being constant regardless of the angle, and Geek Climber didn't address them. It's rather disappointing that most of the commenters here have fallen for the "I'm a math authority, so any counter-arguments are wrong" trap. Anyone can make mistakes and be shown to be wrong by someone else, regardless of either person's competency level. I watched the previous video and he simply hand-waves the "larger angle = easier" claim as true without explaining why.
@@GeekClimber I've always wanted to know more about the ideal physics / body proportions for the planche and maltese. Would love it if you dove deep on that! In my former life, I was a competitive gymnast and eventually learned from experience that I'd never achieve perfect position due to my body proportions (I trained for roughly 15 years).
Your first front lever video that showed the math was one of the coolest calisthenic videos I've ever seen. Please do more! Understanding what is more and less difficult for our bodies is a major part of calisthenics and climbing! Its not about finding excuses, its not like Ai Mori stopped climbing because she is so short, but she doesn't act like she can do every climb the same as everyone else, she just finds beta that works for her!
Sadly the math is wrong. I debunked this in a video on my channel. The actual math makes it more possible than people realize.
Hi, i am a physics engineer and started muscle up training recently. I love ur aproach and if people dont understand that with Lagrange and Newton we can all explain , let think them 'Train hard'. But it s better to ' Train smart' . Your channel is awesome.
Muscle up is a very dynamic move so I think you don't even really have to train that much, I think it's mostly technique. It helped me a lot to be strong enough to do one with bad technique, but if you regularly try one with kipping and all that I think it doesn't even take that much strength. I could be wrong but I think you're not gonna get any insights with physics until you already understand the move well enough to do it. It's really complicated and this calisthenics physics is already an approximation that assumes robotic uniformity in the difficulty of force production. Like for example I can pull more than my body weight on one arm at every angle of arm extension, but I can't do a 1 arm pullup. These biomechanical systems are very complicated.
I mean, the physics of the skill are incorrect or at a minimum misleading. I debunked this in a video on my channel.
I've been training for 10 years in many different environmnents, and engineers, mathematicians, physicists etc...were most of time people overthinking training and getting least results than the "ignorant kid training random". The reason is: scientists getting into fitness are mostly worried about doing something the most clever way with an impeccable approach, the issue with this is that scientific community still has huge questions on how strength and muscle growth works. Geek climber worries more about "what makes sense to him" rather than learning how to train front lever in order to achieve that goal. The only fact that people around the world performs victorian, maltese, wide planche and wide front lever proves that his whole theory doesnt make sense, and this very same video proves it if we gotta be honest, because the advantage those arms gave them was irrelevant, considering all their form was bad for very short holds.
Man you’re amazing you have been the most important CZcams channel for my callisthenics journey in the past 3 years.
This was an awesome experiment!
Keep doing whatever is pleasing to you, not the crowds, Geek Climber! Your enthusiasm is infectious
Front lever video was one of my favorite videos of all time on CZcams the math and equations are so interesting are refreshing. Glad to hear you will make more content in that style can’t wait to watch.
Unfortunately, he got the math wrong though. I debunked his math and physics in a video on my channel.
I really enjoy these math+calis videos. Please continue your amazing work!
Keep it up Geek Climber. You are helping a lot of people this way.
Videos where you explain the physics behind working out and how that plays into exercise, are super interesting and I'm happy you followed up on this.
This is awesome not just because you're providing concrete proof of a theory, but because you show your initial iteration failures and recognize why they didn't work (even though the reasons why were quite obvious it's not always easy to catch that when sketching out a concept). Prototyping and learning by doing in practice 👌
Unfortunately he got the theory wrong or at least it's very misleading. I debunked this in a video on my channel.
Don´t ever let people decide what you do. Keep doing these type of videos, very informative and i´m not even a calisthenic guy.
Thank you for posting this video, we want more!
Da king is back baby he neva miss
Well done mate. Great experiment!
That was amazing! Love the math integration! Brilliant idea
Great video bro, keep it up we need more people like you
Don't stop. I love this content.
Can you do the physics behind Planche video too?
This video was too fun.
I will work on it if there's enough interest!
@@GeekClimber we are interested 😭
You inspired me to get into calisthenics, thank you for your very helpful videos!
absolutely loved the video! much love :D
Hi, Geek Climbing. I am a robotics engineer and your videos are really cool. We have similar problems in robotics a lot where we have to estimate what a robot can do based on the strength of each joint.
It's really cool to see similar things applied to these moves. Idk about anyone else but these videos are really unique and consider things from a sciencey view which I feel like a lot of the youtube channels in this area don't. I love to see analysis of other climbing or moves
The math and science of the skill Geek showed is very misleading though. I debunked these claims in a video on my channel .
Love your math videos man
Please don't stop making these math videos. I tried making equations for calisthenics my whole life and had never the patience for it. It is a huge contribution for biomechanics.
Man, I just see You right now and good job man, keep it!
My favorite videos of yours are the math videos.
Your content is awesome!
amazing video dude loved this. literally innovating the game
Your fitness journey is an inspiration to others! You have an incredible level of fitness, determination and athleticism
Nice unique video idea, never seen anyone do it like this
persistent is what I love most about you keep it up brother
so happy to see you back. Forget the haters they are not worth your time. Keep up all the good stuff!!
I like how you call out those people who argue that they think they’re right when they’re clearly wrong 🤣
That was fascinating. You have a gift mathematically and physically… but you are not mechanically minded at all. 😂 this video was awesome. Keep ‘em coming
this is the kind of content i look forward to!
Enjoyed very much! Thanks for the vid Geek Climber! ^^
Awesome video. Keep 'em coming!
Hey, just want to tell you that I enjoy what you are doing ! 🙌
I actually much more enjoy this type of videos. I mean educational ones, the type of videos in which you learn while you're having fun. Great video!
Some good stuff here! Thanks for the fun video! :)
Very nice video explaining the physics and showing it in practice :D
Love this channel! 🔥
I love the math and science break downs 👍🏻👍🏻
I love the combo of any science with calisthenics. These are my favorite videos to watch from you. I like smart people.
Love the maths and physics behind the movements.
Now that's awesome content! Proving physics works!
I love that you did all this to prove it! A great way to understand things conceptually with physics phenomena is to really exaggerate the changes in your variables (quite often to infinity). In this case, if the arms were to be like 10m long, there would be practically no torque and therefore the lever would be very easy. Similarly with the common argument about shoulder-to-center-of-mass, if you shrink the body so that the shoulder and center of mass gets super small, there would also not be much torque.
He definitely went all out on this experiment. Unfortunately, the conclusion is misleading because he set the initial physics problem incorrectly. I debunked this, in a video on my channel.
I love this! You were right and you were confident in the maths, so you built a practical device (had one built) to prove it! Thanks for showing people how to argue on the internet! Also I love the front lever and have been trying to do it off and on for a while.
Love the device and the experiment. Unfortunately, he set the physics problem incorrectly, the angle doesn't have any mathematical relation to the front lever, only angle of flexion in the muscle. I debunked this in a video on my channel!
I enjoyed this video, awesome topic!
Is it just me or am I seeing creators I looked at as a teen and now their all being recommended again. Glad he still posts and is cool to see him growing too, much love all these years later bro 🙂
Thanks for the courage to put it online 🎉
I tip my hat to you, sir. Excellent work!
That was wicked. Love it 💪
Thank you for the video GC. We support the science and your work 100%.
You know that many other respectable individuals in the calisthenics society support you, like Sondre Berg and Daniel Vadnal.
Glad you made this video.
Great video! Love your work
this was awesome !
this is my first time coming across yr channel
i went back and watched the first 3 videos first !
so awesome !
loved watching someone actually parse these things out and explaining them to the haters !!
loved yr “western blind optimism” vs “eastern critical analysis and strategy” discussion in the one b4 this !
keep doin u !
cool idea and thanks for sharing!
Absolutely love the math/physics takes on calisthenics and fitness more generally! Definitely have run into the same experience both in-person and online where people disbelieve physics and just say "be strong". Your content is super fun, interesting, edifying, and a breath of fresh air.
I think so too. Unfortunately the math and science he showed is wrong and gives people a vibe that short arms equals impossible Front Lever. I debunked this in a video on my channel.
The king is back ❤
this video is a very cool combination of many interests I have
LOVE THE MATH AND SCIENCE !!!!!
This so cool!
Great video
I enjoy this kind of video! (From France).
I never doubted your math! But cool idea to prove it. These hooks could seriously be a cool way to train the front lever in the full position. Can't beat that.
Plese dont stop making these math videos. I tried making equations for calisthenics my whole life and had never the patience for it. It is a huge contribution for biomechanics.
Thank you 🙌🏼
The math part is good, keep it up! Great video, btw! :)
This was hilarious, keep it up! 👍
Great video!!!
This was a pretty cool concept! Ignore the haters that don't understand physics and just appreciate the skill it takes to do these movements with your body type!
I believe that as a second year physics student I do understand physics. What I don't understand is why he quit so fast on front lever, when it's definitely possible, just harder.
I’m so glad to hear you may come back with the math equations and science. As a STEM major I found a lot of value in them and inspired me to try to apply the same logics you’ve used in my own training
Keep the math en physics, it's one the things that makes you're video's unique and you're very good at it as well.
Came from YT shorts, amazing and detailed video, loving your page more with every clip/video! This makes me want to start rock climbing and training for real!
Thank you, this ist Really cool!
great idea!
Keep the maths and physics coming
Love the video. This seems to be a great progression step to the front lever ! I am definitely interested in buying one since I am on the straddle.
I also have a hard time getting to the full front lever.
Never thought about using the front lever hooks as a potential progression step! That could be really interesting. We really need Frictitious Climbing to make the front lever hooks on sale haha.
Those hooks makes little difference, the best progression is just getting overall stronger in the pulling musculature...
@@GeekClimber Or just get stronger, that would make it easier.
The strength comes from bigger muscles, not just neural adaptations.
So rad. I’ll take any leverage possible 😂 and I would definitely buy. Sorry you have to still endure the nonsense of haters and great for you to be above it. 🤙
I don’t get why ppl hate you, your videos are legit the best ones on CZcams!
That is so cool!!
People who enjoy this kind of video = Me! Thank you for being awesome. I love seeing the science behind exercise and strength training. It's so interesting to see, cause we're all different with different genetics and anatomy which causes so many different hinderances or help.
Science and Calisthenics is a perfect combo! Unfortunately he got the initial physics wrong. I debunked this in a video on my channel.
Physics never lie :D
Bermuda Triangle: "F*** physics."
@@zNEKOMARUz no my friend, just no. Only conspiracy Theories.
For a moment I thought this was a live adaptation of that one game, Getting Over It 😂
You could make a video showing the timing to get a full front lever with fake long arms, and regular full front lever. Never stop showing physics to people of calisthenics, that's all we need to improve calisthenics.
He won't be able to get it by shortening his arms over time since the physics is wrong and he won't hit the right muscles at a larger angle. I debunked this in a video on my channel.
This makes sense, you’re right. I knew a guy who had longer arms and he started callisthenics later than me and still got to full front lever before me
really interesting video.
Yes, continue on doing math & physics videos. There are people like me who enjoy them!
Great stuff! Hope to be able to try these myself one day! You'll have to patent and promote these! Front lever levers. 😊
Thank you for resuming very logical video that is quite understandable to me at least. There might not be a lot of people like this but there's still a few, and we rarely get content like that unfortunately
Thank you for the work that you do! There will always be people unsatisfied with basically everything :)
Awesome experiment/demonstration; we need more videos out there like this!
All for spreading facts through media and learning about physics applied to calisthenics; hope the hooks go on sale 🙂
I love this style too! Unfortunately he messed up the physics portion. I debunked this in a video on my channel.
@@heatzonegym you did not debunk it, you came to the same conclusion with a different model. Also, advertising on the original video is NOT cool.
@@Jerryfan271 Hey Jerry, I figured advertising on his video is fine since his model assumes impossibility for people with short arms. Our conclusion is not even close to the same. Even with cartoon arms and an ape index that doesn't exist, they couldn't do the front lever. Arms length doesn't affect the moment arm and therefore doesn't affect the skills difficulty. I also explain the physics in the movement, when Geek only talks about angle, which is not included in the mathematical breakdown. Angle is irrelevant except for being able to use a slightly (And I mean slightly) larger portion of your lats. Geek literally proved this by failing front lever with an apeindex that doesn't exist. If you have plus 16 inch apeindex and can't do FL easily without training, then your entire model falls apart. Correcting misinformation for those who still believe they can learn the skill!
I support you ❤
keep the math and physics coming! It's impossible to please everyone, and that shouldn't the goal anyway. Just focus on the community that is actually interested in that type of content! :)
i just watched frinksmovement of the problem with the front lever and he indicated that he's not sure whether the length of the arms affects the front lever and this solved that completely.
(keep in mind that video is 2 years and this has solved it just now, holy flip.)
Great video, based on my personal front lever starting point (I have never trained for it and attempted to hold one and could actually decently hold a shitty form version for a couple seconds) which made me test my ape index and It is positive so makes sense why.
insane vid bro i hope you can beat the haters and i hope you are gonna keep up the good work