If This Gaudreau Story Is True, It's UNFORGIVABLE For Them..
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Nhl highlights news and rumors calgary flames hockey - After Nhl draft 2023 , free agency is moving along and trades as well as nhl trade rumors are in full swing, but this is a very interesting nhl news today discussion. Johnny gaudreau and matthew tkachuk will haunt even more if this rumoured story is true. Nhl hockey highlights news trades free agent signings predictions picks I want edmonton oilers fans takes on this too since I know they keep tabs on the flames as well. Matthew tkachuk trade jonathan huberdeau calgary flames florida panthers almost 1 year old too so this is extra fitting after the cats stanley cup 2023 finals run during the nhl playoffs 2023 - NHL - Sport
What do you think the Flames Contract Offer was that made him feel "embarrassed"?
I can't believe you still stand up for Jimmy T. He destroyed your team's future. He may have made other great moves, but losing Matthew and Johnny are unacceptable when it sounds like it was all the Flames' doing. At least he's in Toronto now where he'll ruin their future by handing Mathews a giant, underserving contract that will tie their hands for years to come. Love your channel brother, cheers!
He got offered what he deserved. Looked like he wasn’t even trying out there after his 99 point year.
@@jadenwazy but you still had a player who was willing to play in a canadian market and loved the team and you didn’t have to offer him close to double digits, it’s not like he pulled a tkachuk and just said trade me, if they showed some love and leniency and showed they had trust in him and not low ball their star, then i can guarantee he would still be a flame
i genuinely believe it was around 5.5-6M… because he wasn’t playing great and they thought they might lowball him… even tho it wasn’t exactly his worth at the time i think if they offered him around 7-7.5M then he would’ve accepted and still been on the team
You’re so far off base. Lmao 🤣 I’m about to make my own CZcams channel just to tell this guy how little he knows about the world of hockey…hell the world in general.
Nobody blames you Johnny. I’d be devastated if my team was on the brink of being a cup favorite, and within one offseason we lost our 2 best players. I hear you mate
Cup favorite? HAHAHAH
@@prozac. Dude they were pretty good. They were looking primed and ready to make a run and Tkachuk was just showing what he was capable of so yes. and when I say cup favorite I mean a team that has a legitimate chance to win not necessarily THE one most favorited team
@@prozac.found the Oilers fan. Enjoy wasting McDavid’s career
The flames curse
Losing Gudreau was never the end for me...Losing Tkackukl is another story
@scottstenlund4431 except all previous mgmt and coaches gone. So whatever is up might be because he doesn't believe Conroy can get the job done. Maybe he wants too much $? He's on the last year of his deal. Just cause you have cap doom doesn't mean you should overpay. The dude is 34 and paying him anything more than say 4 years and 16 million would be a bad move. Even that is risky. He's 34 and had the best year of his career. Let him get paid elsewhere if he wants a penny more. He is going to be a rental on any team he goes to. Guaranteed he doesn't repeat what he just did.
@scottstenlund4431 good. Serves no purpose. Might as well get what you can for him now. Nobody wants somebody that doesn't want to be part of the team.
@scottstenlund4431 I never said "If"
@scottstenlund4431 this is likely correct...as sad as that is
Losing Gaudreau and Tkachuck were both devastating, but not the end. Signing Hubredeau with Johnny's contract however is the end.
That top line in the 21-22 season was unreal. Some of the consistently best hockey ive watched in a long long time. To see basically the entire line gone this season was upsetting. Went back and watched some games from last season right before this years playoffs, and this season's flames team was nothing... They overwhelmed defense and goaltenders last season, Significantly outshooting every team they played. This year it was like watching an ECHL team
This is so much hindsight applied here. Johnny had two pretty bad seasons by the standards of a superstar. Did you want Tre to give him a huge offer as a reward? Look at the Leafs and their cap management when the GM just hands out massive contracts willy nilly
In the grand scheme of things, Johnny was ready to sign, his parents knew he was ready to sign. And one car ride with his wife changed that. That's what we know
i think they had the right idea in trying to offer him a smaller amount, but they must have lowballed it too much to the point where he obviously wasn’t gonna accept, decided to play it out and the rest is history
Glad someone said it. If they had offered him a big money contract and he continued to have his poor form then this video would be criticising the Flames for being stupid enough to offer him a big money contract coming off of back to back poor seasons.
WILLY nilly is quite the pun, even if Nylander's contact is far from the worst of the Leafs' curious salary moves.
huberdeau has one of the very worst contracts in the lague. it's really incredible he got that as a 30 year old winger....
He was amazing in Florida with Barkov. He had bas year but he's still one of the better forwards in NHL. He will prove it next year. He wasn't good because Florida. He was good because he is good player.
they need a rebuild
If we signed him in 2021 for even close to what he was offered on his last deal,and he fell flat then there would be as much whining about how we overpaid. Hindsight is 20/20. Jonny screwed us on the way out. At least Tkachuk gave us an opportunity to do a deal
EXACTLY
Cry lol
Kinda lost in this though is that Johnny's status as a legit super star league is not certain. He has had 2 seasons scoring at a point per game or higher (and one of those seasons EVERY player on his team was going off at the same time). He is 29 now and last season was not encouraging. 10M a year would rapidly look like an overpayment if, as is probably likely, Johnny's best seasons are behind him. he is very good, but hasn't done enough to prove he isn't a 2nd tier star that deserves money in that 7-8M range..for now.
And Huberdeau has?
@@dw4867 they both really haven't as of yet, huberdeau has had 4 seasons above a ppg while johnny has had 3, they've actually had relatively similar careers points wise
So 115 points isn’t good for superstar status in your books? Idc if he did it in 1 season only. You don’t put up 115 points in a season as an allstar
@@brethagerty6340 One season is just not enough of a track record, especially when, for both Huberdeau and Gaudreau, it comes in their late 20s. And like I said, especially for Gaudreau, that amazing year came in a season where EVERY player on the team practically had a career year. Neither player has been a consistent top 10 scorer over their careers. Neither player is a 2-way force. There are stars, and then there are superstars. These two are stars, sure.
How does that make any sense though? The parents were told the flames gave him an embarrassing offer the year prior (a bad performing year at that), then believe until the 12th hour he would be a flame? If he was that embarrassed by the offer why would the parents be so convinced? This trade had nothing to do with on-ice or anything hockey. His wife wanted to work in Columbus and took him for that infamous car ride.
They offered him what he deserved. He had one good season and expected to get paid. Pathetic
I've always liked the flames, so when I heard this was happening, I was hurt not only for Flames fans but for myself just sucked to see him leave, but I hope Huberdeau and Kadri can do something to get the Flames in a good position. Also love the vids Jonny, keep up the great work
@AlGrundau866 actually, I'm a leafs fan, and the leafs 2- I mean, Oilers suck
2 mins left in the Flames elimination game to make playoffs - Kadri had the puck inside their blue line, instead of taking a shot or making a play - he dumped it in the corner. Yeah he’ll play harder this year, he just wanted a long summer after his run with Colorado. But that’s so shady, let him have a good season and trade him for being like that.
Awesome video and explanation 👍👍
So in reality, JG has had 1 really successful season in his last 3. Maybe a blessing in disguise.
I mean but look at Gaudreau now on his new team... he cant carry a team hes not that guy so this might actually look good for calgary
How come you stopped pronouncing the french names in french? I liked that :)
At the end of the day, these two players leaving the team was a wake up call and a lesson that Flames brass had to learn the hard way. Moving forward this might benefit the team in the long term by improving the way they plan these things out. In Conroy we trust.
The Flames sudden implosion is crazy
It is but they still have pieces. Huberdeau is an amazing player that had bad year. But he will most likely bounce back. Kadri is good second line center. Lindholm is great player. Markström is solid in net. They have upcoming Pelletier. Weegar. They have good team still.
@@aapoheikkila5542don’t forget Coronato
@@aapoheikkila5542 True but missing the playoffs after being number 1 in the Pacific is insane
I don't think so. When half the team hates the coach's guts, including your new crown jewel in Huberdeau, things go south and fast. Even with a new coach though, so much damage was done to the roster that it will take a while to right the ship.
So, Treliving screwed things up with Johnny? What a surprise. The only surprising thing is that Sutter didn't get the blame for this.
you think sutter didn't play into his decision? think again.
Treliving had the chance to sign Johnny in 2021 and Johnny had his best season under Sutter.
@@edricgonzalez2235 he had his best season in spite of duhh arryl.
@@CashMacGregorSuuure. Funny thing is that the best point total for Johnny prior to Sutter was 99 points during the 2018-2019 season. Who was the head coach during that season? Bill Peters. I guess that "dinosaur coaches" get the most out of Johnny Gaudreau.
I love the fact that Treliving is now in Toronto to continue his demoliton work. lol
You actually think it was him pulling the strings?
He's a puppet to the overlord of it all.
#blamemurray
@@mr2_mikeagree shanny is pulling the strings 😂 like he did to dubas
The guys on the radio said the number Tre offered started with a $6. Tkachuk also said he was surprised with the bridge and was expecting an 8 year deal. Treliving was hit and miss as GM.
I would never get over losing tkachuk whether they had a way to keep him or not. I honestly feel bad even tho I’m not a flames fan
I've always maintained there was more too this than it had to be more than just not wanting to sign.
Time will tell, but it does seem , given his year in Columbus, like he got overpaid as a UFA. Even before his Columbus year, he was still under a point per game with only his 115 point season standing out as a truly great season. There was no way Treveling would have, or even should have, offered him over ten million a year based on performance prior to his "breakout" season (if that's even what it was).
Again, I could be wrong. Only time will tell but I think Calgary likely *did* offer a fair contract...not an embarrassing one.
Kadri has to get out of accepting losing as okay. I think Toronto wrecked a lot of players, paid them a lot of money and it damages the physquie of players. Kadri was an absolute talent, and I think that team wrecked him.
It was stupid for Philly to not grab him when they could. I mean at this point no player in their mind would want to come here aside from Hathaway which I'm scratching my head about. I'm waiting for the redemption of wasting a 1st round pick on a great player that might not be able to come here.
Ay yi yi!!! Johnny Hockey could've been the savior to PHI! First, not signing what could've been the best defenseman in Cale Makar, next not getting Gaudreau, and now some kid kid didn't want to play for the Flyers and instead bolted for Anaheim! MAN, WE'RE CURSED!!!
@wanderer34 haha. That we are. We lost hart. Errson is good but I'm not sure how I feel about our goalie pool. Fedotov only played 1.5 games with us so too soon to tell. In his relief debut he played ok. But his start...he looked awkward and cumbersome. When he pounced on pucks he looked like a mighty oak in an ancient forest being felled. Timmmbberrrrrrr. Peterson isn't the best mentor. So I hope Danny does something about that. I can't wait to see what Russian Bedardsky can do for us. I hope he lives up to the hype. We need a reason to get the league to show interest again. All I know is we won't be seeing the cup anytime soon
It just sucks we lost him for nothing. We could've gotten a similar Tkachuk style trade and maybe that would've helped get us to the playoffs and we could've avoided signing Kadri.. just hope we don't make the same mistakes with Lindholm, Hanifin and Backlund. Each of them can get us decent trades. Backlund probably for picks but Hanifin and Lindholm especially should get us decent picks/prospects.
What’s the story with who he is chirping in the av’s hand shake line?
Do you also remember you guys could've had Kucherov! but you guys skipped him & drafted Tyler Wotherspoon instead, A bottom 6 AHL defenceman over a Top 5 superstar in the NHL. Bridging Tkachuk to protect Troy Brouwer from the 2017 expansion draft is a mistake you guys won't get out of your heads.
I’ve been a panthers fan since I was a youngin. I’ve seen many a game with Hubie and Flying fluffy sees what all us panthers fans see. Hubie was always talented and had talent. But he doesn’t have an edge in his game like Chucky does I know they put up similar numbers in the season prior. The new system might do Hubie good but he never was a good fit in Sutters system because he emphasized the forecheck and defense more than pure offense . Tyler Toffoli is a great player but if he’s your best scorer that’s an issue especially if Hubie isn’t seeing the apples come like he did in Florida with Barkov. I get a new environment and more spotlight are factors but Hubie may have a hard time in the coming years especially when he doesn’t have those solid scorers to play on a line with.
This is really old news,...although few seem to know about it. I read the article that talked about what Gaudreau's parents said. Made me wary about Treliving coming to the Leafs...after how badly the Flames got botched up by management...and Treliving was clearly a part of that. The mainstream media say absolutely nothing about this...in their suckup to NHL franchises.
Losing Gudreau was bad, losing Tkachuk maybe worse, but signing Kadri longterm for 7 Mio. is nothing but nuts. Kadri is 32, what do the Flames expect him to deliver in 3 years? This contract is the next big buy-out. Huberdeau may have been worth 10,5 Mio. at the time, but not for 8 years?!!! For the sake of the Flames, I hope both guys prove me wrong.
Johnny was never going to bring Calgary a cup. Chucky was a mistake.. Losing Johnny was a blessing in disquise.
Fumbled the bag, screwed the pooch, we will need a good part of next season to see if the ship is righted ,or can be
Tree f'd up. Twice. Maybe 3x if you consider some other bad moves (Lucic?). They did a good job of covering this up, but now that we know, we know he had to go. Keep a close eye on what this guy does to the Leafs, b/c it likely ain't gonna be a cup.
Calgary also thought Martin St. Louis was too small
Rebuild! By the time they turn into contenders, Edmonton will be done it’s run, Vegas, Seattle as well. Blow it up.
Fans should realize that when players are UFAs, they can sign with whoever they want. Nothing a team (in this case the Flames) can do about it.
I just think its funny they put the same guy who lost Johnny for nothing in carge of not losing Matthews/Nylander fir nothing next year
Looks like Toronto is going to keep on golfing every spring
I'm not sure how you can save you love Brad Treliving if you also think that he utterly fumbled the ball with respect to Tkachuk and Gaudreau.
It was one thing when the belief was that both players wanted to play in the US, but if it was more a case of his actions making them both want to leave then that undoes whatever else he might have done as Flames' GM.
It's a bit of, "Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?"
As an Oilers fan, I'm super sad to see what the flames have become. The end of Gaudreau and The Turtle in Calgary spelled the end to what was about to become an epic Battle of Alberta over the course of the next few years. Tbh I think you guys fumbled big time with the Huberdeau contract too... his 100 point season was just a fluke, at least in my view so not enough output for what you're paying him.
This is your new GM Leafs nation. Good luck with Matthews, Marner, and Nylander 😂
thanks for posting could not believe how we turned on Johny .and then the loss of chucky i knew something was sour in Calgary. no wonder Brad high tailed it to Toronto .that's the guy we need to throw under the bus
You don't sign Johnny for 9 Mill per after 2 bad seasons.
No Adam fox, no Tkachuk, no Gaudreau. Must be tough being a Calgary fan lmao
Fox was a fan of the Ranger$, as is his family, so I'm not surprised! Keeping Tkachuk and Gaudreau was very possible, but FLA traded away Huberdeau (who I don't believe is going to last long in CGY) for Tkachuk, and Gaudreau never signed, instead preferring to play for CBJ!
The Flames did nothing wrong, and that hurts to say as an Oiler fan lol.
So was Treliving a fool or a genius?
Because could a deal have been okayed but at a lower number by an owner or two?
I feel like since the draft no one cares about hockey until Bedard steps onto the ice.
What the hell is wrong with Canadian team GMs? There's so much ineptitude. One massively overpays 3 forwards, including 2 RFAs over $10M a year, which massively limits the team's cap flexibility. Another is too conservative, doesn't make proactive moves, and is more reliant on loyalty and friendship than winning. Another GM who doesn't want to have his team go through a much-needed rebuild. And then we have Treliving, who could have kept Tkachuk and Gaudreau as Flames long-term if he had simply used his head. I don't get it. Are these guys trying to do a self-sabotage to keep a Canadian team from ever winning a cup?
Ineptitude is as synonymous with Canada as maple syrup. Pains me to say it but it's unfortunately true...
This is why you don't get married. His wife changed his mind......ugh. Now Tkachuk is now a MVP level player.
Hahahaha, one of many reasons my friend 🤣
He could still become a bust in Columbus
Guess you should play to the best of your abilities every season instead of taking a year off!
Nobody gets a $10 million dollar deal for a 50 point season!!!
Yea i miss those players cuz johns dad reminded me of my late dad but it sucks we wont be able to have a good b.o.a for a long time , ffs
The Flames brought Sutter in a few too many times.
losing JG wasnt the problem. Losing Tkachuk and gaining a massive albatross contract in Huberdeau..That's what's going to sting for a long time.
I’m embarrassed to be a flamers fan right now
Listen, I'm a Flames fan. Have been since I was a kid. But my god, I have no hope for Kadri or Huberdeau. They peaked. Same with Markstrom. I would say rebuild, but you're stuck with Huberdeau for literally a decade. Calgary will be the next team to re-locate if he doesn't CONSISTENTLY put up 100+ points until he can't no more. Otherwise? Hell, if the Flames are done in Calgary, keep the team in Canada and send them to Quebec or Hamilton.
Chucky is missed
They drop the ball big time. I would fire the gm and hockey pres. Unbelievable they could of had both superstars but trying to low ball and let them walk. Johnny is okay but in few years he won't be worth 9.75 mil
Fumbled the bag ???
Losing Tkachuk is the worst thing to ever happen to the franchise: they’ll never recover from it.
flames fan here give it up hes gone
If this guys not scoring goals he pulls a Houdini
Move on get over it. Flames will be fine.
Removing Lucic and Lewis from the fourth line will be huge for team speed and tenacity.
Treliving one of your favorites? 😮😅😢 I’d say he is not very good at all
U get what you are worth
Pizza delivery boy
Who starts a rebuild after a generational talent is drafted 😂 Calgary down bad
JG's mom's statements don't make sense chronologically. First, she states that she thought up to the 12th hour he would remain in Calgary, but then discusses the contract offer the previously year. JG was leaving Calgary all along. Period. Trying to sell the narrative that it was the team's fault is crap. Just accept the fact that the decision was made by JG's wife.
I can't lie. As a Buffalo fan it's kinda nice to see another team be on the end of crap like this.
one of the worst franchises in sports
Who cares. The best thing to happen to the Flames. The thought of an Offence built around him for the next 8 years makes me ill.
I think Flames lucked out a 8 year deal would have ended up an albatross contract you all tbink caps going up newsflash the economy is tanking rwvenue is not going to go up its going down mark my words
The BIGGEST mistake in Flames history hands down was hiring Brad Treliving! By far the worst GM the Flames have EVER had and they’ve had some bad ones! After the damage he’s done, good riddance!
Thank you throwing light on this. It never felt right somehow. I think Flyer fans are more pissed off than anyone. I believe they wanted him, but the east is a tough go. Especially Philly and New York City. Columbus is not ready to win , they are building so that won’t piss off Calgary fans. It was a safe destination. Which is sad because it may be the whole length of his deal to get a run in the playoffs. He’s the kinda player
to root for even he is not on your club. 🏒🍸
Hubie is a dud. He'll never be anything he was with the Panthers. I went to a game where I sat where the FLames were warming up. While most of the Flames were skating hard Hubie coasted like he was at a family skate. No urgency, no sense of purpose, just floating around touching th e puck the odd time. Sure enough the game starts and he plays the same way. What a waste of 10 mil a year
Anyone who says that thing would have been better if something different had happened needs to understand that each decision that is made has a ripple effect and that everything in the universe changes from that moment. What if Calgary kept both players but then something even worse than losing the two guys to FA and trade happens? Are you really ready to face that reality? If not then stop living in the past, accept what happened and try to make changes to make the situation better. Saying things like, “It’s UNFORGIVABLE” is a poor mindset and one that doesn’t encourage learning from mistakes. It’s okay to be critical or to critique for improvement but this unforgiving mindset will only lead towards worse emotions.
I used to really like this channel but lately the content has become negative and I just don’t feel it any more.
Losing gudreau was a blessing, tkachuck was a major loss. Treliving fucked up big time. Glad he's in toronto now. The three whiners (huber, kadri, weegar) better have the seaons of their lives. As for lindholm, get trade him, he obviously doesn't want to be here. Time to clean house. Hopefully our new GM isn't treliving 2.0 but it's looking like it
If you are such a Flames fan, why can't you pronounce "Calgary" correctly?
Why the hell would you love Treliving? Either you’re demented or an oilers fan. Nobody else would love Treliving. Seriously….
Everyone: Johnny going to either Philly or NJ to be closer to home
Johnny: *Signs with Columbus*
Everyone: 😵💫🤔😤🤬🤷♂️
Who cares at this point. JG screwed us over on the way out by not allowing a deal to be made. It was a pre madonna move for a guy who just put up two crap seasons before a good one. It was a pety move and a lot of fans completely lost respect for him and justly so. Anyway have fun in Columbus, I hope his team comes dead last every season no matter who he plays for
Kadri and huberdeau are washed up.. poor Calgary is doomed
And now treliving gets to ruin torontos roster worse than it’s already been destroyed,
I think you forgot about the Debrinit trade ???
Gaudreau is meh. He had one really great season. That's it. Now he's trash in Columbus and that's where he belongs. -33 , 74 points.
you could just NOT make a video, if theres nothing out.
Need to change your channel to Johnny Drama Queen
It's Murray Edwards fault. He's so cheap
Your clickbait headlines are so irritating
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Thank god Matthews doesn’t have a wife
Get over it
Sorry, man. Huberdeau is 30 and Kadri is 32. They're officially in their declining years and will probably never put up the numbers they once did. As much as I hate Tkachuk, you guys were absolutely fleeced on that trade, and it's going to hurt the Flames for many years to come.
Nah, you’re wrong
@@clandon9624 Hate to break it to you, it's a pretty widely known fact that a vast majority of NHL players start to decline by the time they hit 30. Since both of these players have literally seen a decline in their stats last season, it's a pretty obvious sign that I'm right. If they plan to have these 2 guys as the core of the team for the foreseeable future, the Flames aren't going to be a contender for quite a while.