BMW i5, i4, Mercedes EQE and Tesla Model S charging comparison
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At this point in time, between the four cars it's only a minute or 2 difference to 80%. As a regular driver I would dare to say that although there's a difference, in practice all four cars offer you the same experience.
The last 10% doesn't really count, because who charges that slow at a fast charger anyway?
80% isnt really useful, its more useful to see the actual range added. charging at 2x the power is useless when the car uses 2x more juce.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld yeah, maybe, sort of, but then the consuptions varies widely. I sometimes drive my Model 3 at 150wh/km (over land), sometimes (Autobahn, bicycle carrier with 2 bikes) at 273wh/km.
@@getyoursupervisor8519 that applies to all cars.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld of course your majesty, but the point is: what amount of range you add is LESS useful, cause it is INDIVIDUAL. You can use the percentage much easier to understand what added range YOU get with a little math.
@@getyoursupervisor8519Added % tells you close to nothing. These % are based on different battery sizes using a variety of degrees of non-linearity. Added energy (kWh) would be more useful. In reality, you want to know how much range you can expect to add in 10 minutes and in 20 minutes, as 20% is a comfy reserve to have for most people, and 10-20 minutes is the time you can expect to spend sensibly at the services without having to wait for the car.
Hello Björn, love your tests. But could you also ad a diagram for range added, based of your range test results, in the charging comparison. That would make the comparison so much better and easier.
True, on a road trip you care about miles added not kWh or SOC. But his range tests are done at different weather conditions (temp and wind) so they would have to be adjusted for
Great comparison!!!!! Good job 😊😊
Big ass buffer man! Love it!
Great ananlysis Bjørn
Excellent comparison.
The app view without kWh added makes it hard to compare. SoC and KM added are useful but to compare raw charging speed kWh added is the only relevant value.
I second this! It's great to have more details but I think the main point which is kWh added should be most visible as it's the best performance indicator for fast charging over time
I would say the difference is to small on the BMW’s to call it. And for the comments on the same price?
I just ordered a i5 40e. I was going to get a BMW i4, but in renting the i5 was €250 a month less than a well equipped i4. The model S is a whopping €750 a month more than the i5. Not the biggest fan on the EQE, so I didn’t get an offer.
I will agree the i5 is in no way perfect, but no EV is. It just made the most sense for price and what you get.
I wonder how much slower does the i5 charge compared to the Highland. It had a lower consumption in the 1000 km challenge because of the temperature difference but yet it was still quite slower than the M3.
You usually don't charge to high SoC on long trips and that's where the Teslas are very strong.
The Tesla probably saves a few minutes for every charging session that ends in the 60-70% range.
My car has a very nice flat curve from low SOC to 90%, always 44kWh…. i3…😅
For road trip purposes, maybe a few comparison tests from 10 to 80% would be worthwhile.
Well, the test start at 10% and you can check yourself when each car hits the 80% mark….
EQE and Tesla had pulled 50 km more range at the same time.
I would unplug all < 70 kW charging power.
Hello Björn, almost the same time for all cars but not the same capacity, 80 or 100 kwh batteries. At the end for the user, the choice would probably be: best charging time and longest achievable distance with a 100% battery. At least for me.
an interesting measure could be Range/%. Although some cars might charge faster, what measures in the end is the km you gain per % and time
ABC = Always Be Comparing 😃
Do they start at same battery temperature ?
They all seem to start in ideal conditions.
It would be interesting to adjust/have a version of your SOC chart, so that that Y axis actually is the energy delivered not just the reported SOC. That way the space under the curve would show how much more energy the Tesla and EQE actually took in the time. And that the BMW with only 84kw deliver less energy and range in the same time. I think this is also important for understanding how the curves really relate to each other.
Thanks for the interesting info. Is it possible to plot the curves online in one diagram instead of looking on the gauges and trying this in the head ?
Did you not watch 6:36?
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thank You for the reply. Yes I did watch to the end ! But there I thought it would be great to see the diagram build up instead of watching the dials . But the way you did gives a more dramatic build up and immersive experience for the watcher 😅.
I expect modern EVs to take 20 minutes to charge from 10 to 80%
these took 31-33 mins. Seems the engineers cant keep up with your expectations.
HI Bjorn, will you test (1000km, car seats, etc) the Model X Palladium? It is an interesting car for families with 3-4 kids.
Very disappointing. Why should you buy an i5? I am glad to have the i4 now even more
Why is it very disappointing? There's almost no difference between the charging curves of the I4 and I5. Temperatures, chargers and a lot of other factors can contribute to the small differences.
@@allannielsen1546 correct, but the question still remains the same. But to be honest, with the first spec information on battery and engine, it was clear. Let's hope, that the rumours with a whatever refresh become true in 2025. BMW's only advantage is the fail of Audi with the postponings of the new A6 etron currently.
If you have children with legs, the i4 is useless
@@allannielsen1546That's the point. The way more expensive car is the same than a class less.
I4 was a great choice indeed when it was released. And it is still great in 2024
For consumers, would it be interesting to plot charge (in percent or, maybe, kWh) versus time? The plot of charging rate (kW) is interesting to nerds like us, but consumers just want to know how quickly they can load up and get back on the road.
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Dear Björn, I could imagine that the charging curve of i5 is lower than i4 because i5 has a different curve without steps. And maybe another reason could be that i5 is a brand new car. Maybe BMW will deliver an update soon with better charging speed.?.
Isn't Model S 95 kWh useable, not 100 kWh?
These are gross capacity.
@@bjornnyland Oh okay. Well for charging tests you're only charging up the useable capacity right, so isn't that the better option?
Interesting to see that very different approaches in terms of charging curves all lead to very similar results in terms of overall charging time. It might be interesting to mention that Model S and EQE have larger batteries than the Beamers, so the overall energy taken is higher for the same percentage (thus speeds in kwh per hour (!) are higher). :D
well the i4 (and also i5) has a much smaller battery than Model S so not so difficult to get to 90% first but he was behind until then. one ahould rather look how much kWh do they take in in 30,45,60hrs
EQE was fast but also has a smaller battery
I had a Model 3 for 3 years and I had NO situation whatsoever were I would have needed the minute or 2 my M3 was/is faster than the BMW i4M50 I now own. I´m not doing 1000km a day, almost no one does. I´d say a lot of people charge slow at home or at work and for them it has a bearing - if at all - on the vacation trip. When one usually has the most time. Tesla is still leading on charging and efficiency, the propulsion part of the car is really good, al the rest not so much. The legacy guys will either catch up or ...well go extinct.
I5 is a total dud! I'd buy the fossil version!
I don't understand how You compare 100kwh battery with 84kwh battery and after all mentioned BMW is faster then Tesla or Merc. In the sema point of time this 2 cars with bigger battery pump into moore energy. Then if You goes for a drive. Car with bigger battery do more range right ?? But changing time was almost the same.( If all cars have the sema efficiency) . Its not that simple. Buy the way in this video im mentioned first time low voltage pack on EQE. In 90% below 400V 😮😮😮.
The price on these cars (except for i4) is about the same. That's why I compare them. To make it more clear:
- BMW i5 M60 costs about 1.3 million NOK
- Tesla Model S Plaid costs about 1.3 million NOK
Unfortunately Björn, the only thing that matters in a comparison is how many miles per hour they charge up to 80%, nothing else.
90% of 84kW vs 90% of 100kW🤔🤦
Did you mean kWh?
@@bjornnyland I did capacity not delivery.
@@binitbobFail!🤦🏻♂️
@@bjornnylandMaybe he meant kWh/h? 😅
Wauw! So disappointed. 11kwh less charged in 30 min., than the 2-year old EQE 😮 Slower than i4… This car is outdated before it has arrived. Such a shame.
2 things. 1. In range gained over time please. 2. The oldest EV brand evaluated never had a massive recall of vehicles because of battery problems since the very beginning.
You compare 100kWh to 84kWh... Only the curves at the end are relevant, Model S and EQE FTW ;-)
But the prices are similar.
@@bjornnyland so even more Model S and EQE FTW then ;-)
at 70% SOC the Tesla driver would stop charging and driving ahead. Thats leading.
BMW i5 keeps disappointing 😢
Very good if you can find a fast charger!
No problem. In Norway there are high power chargers every 10-20 km.
@@bjornnyland sadly not everyone lives in norway.
@@bjornnyland Sadly, the uk has very few outside of the big cities
But the range is at least 300 km.
@@bjornnyland It's the charging situation in the UK, not the range of the cars.
Once Highway 75mph range gets to 300 miles plus and charging is under 15 min 10%-80% Everyone will want an EV.....were getting closer. As a MYLR owner and previous Bolt/MME owner Thats the milestone #'s in the US. Early adopters and Car/Tech enthusiast can handle the smaller range and slower charging but normal sheep will/do not like range and charging less than 300miles and over 20 minutes charging. My non car enthusiast/non-tech friends and family only get short rides in the tesla as the turnoff and complaints would be rampant on a long trip that included 30 minute charging sessions and frequent stops.
Trucks have a long way to go and are not good fits as EV's because of them being heavy bricks that use to much energy and need massive batteries for range/towing. Trucks should be PHEV's Ramcharger is the answer but can they pull it off with the additional complication of dual systems. 150 mile Ev/690 miles w/range extender is great if they manage the reliability and cost 55k stripped to 85k loaded
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What really matter is range added per minute… im shure you know this
And... Tesla never had a vehicle recall because of serious battery issues in over 15 years after +5M vehicles on the road.
BMW. Matching Tesla technology from 5 years ago. 🤦♂️
whit this laughable range the i5 better charge fast beyond 90%.....
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