@N Y I’m currently on the phone with my lead Blast, Play last best friend- an ENFJ. She’s the absolute best and her Blast isn’t overwhelming. (She’s currently blasting to me about clothes.) The other two closest people in my life are a lead Blast INTJ and ESTJ. I’m a lead Consume, Blast last, so I find it interesting that I congregate with Blasters. I’m sometimes tempted to judge the function (it’s not my responsibility, and can’t people just Consume once in a while???) but then I remember I know lovely people who use it, and who use it without suffocating their listeners. There are extrovert Blasters who have my absolute love and adoration 💞
As a Ti dom, I found it interesting to see Dave & Shan, double Te, trying to work this stuff out. Without intentionally been patronising, I think they were adorable, lol. You can see they are logical and are concentrating on the reasons for things, but it does drain them and use up all their willpower to focus on ONE concept in great detail and depth. Interesting. Great vid as always.
"Shut up for a second Dave. Take a nap." 🤣 Intuition is survival instinct to build on what we can prove, predict what might come even if we can't see it yet. Basically, Intuition is the focus on what cannot be proven.
And the source for all the sickening and maddening presumptions and false judgements. All in all, it ain't worth it! Better not to have it as a lead function
I love the new videos lately where Dave and Shan are bringing up examples and then perfectly demonstrating their own examples with each other 😂 helps me to know what to look for
I know that you may be reluctant to but I would be very interested in reading about your thoughts / analysis of this video / "this whole Te thought exercise." As I mentioned in my comment, OP needs Ti depth!
Why do I feel like I've seen these two comments like 100's of times before... Albeit in many different (and very specifically detailed) articulations...? Oh & btw... Yes please. Will they listen tho? Eh. If a middle finger counts, then yes.
@@gooddaygene8355 Dominant Ti/Ne user here. I am new to the Objective Personality channel, so excuse me if I point out obvious take aways from the way Dave and Shan talk. Having that out of the way. . . I found the excercise to be greatly insightful. What intruigued me wasn't the ideas themselves. But how they reached that conclusion as a collective (Dave and Shan). For example, it was sufficient for me to just read the dictionary reference on Merriam-Webster for the word Intuition. Intuition noun a: the power or faculty of attaining to direct knowledge or cognition without evident rational thought and inference b: immediate apprehension or cognition c: knowledge or conviction gained by intuition Here, as a Ti user I can already eliminate option (c) of the defnition since they are vague/misleading and hard to understand and literally uses the word to define itself which creates a loop (word-ception if you will). The 'b' part is something that wasn't mentioned very much in the video. If you'd like an example: * Imagine you come home from work after a long hard day. All you want to do is take off your shoes & socks and relax on the sofa. * You get home, excited for the 'to be' chill session. * You open the door and remove your shoes & socks and feel the cool hardwood floors or the warm carpets of the house. * You hold your shoes in your hands to put them on the shoe rack, since that's where they belong and you like to keep clean, like they say, "out of sight out of mind". * Only to find.. That the shoe rack is missing. * Now you remember that your wife/mom/roommate had to dismantle it in preparation to make your move to a new apartment easier. * You curse the inconvenience, and find a different place to keep your shoes. Your mental peace destroyed. . . What Dave and Shan were talking about in the video is 'a'. Although the definition is very obvious to me. To explain it to someone else is a different matter. In the video, they brought out good examples of how to explain such a concept to a sensory person. All the while Dave had to fight his inner monologue during his speech, as much as he tried, he couldn't stop his inner monologue of 'Why'. The 'why' tries to connect the sensory information of the 'now' with something that has happened before. It tries to get the patterns in order. So that the probability of what will happen next is high in his mind. And I assume like for myself, it brings him some comfort knowing how things will proceed. Since I'm mostly a perceiving type of person, I am also excited by the future un-explored possibilities, leading to a bunch of chaos. Some Intuitive users would rather use their future prediction to ensure a sustainable stable environment. Neither approach is right or wrong. The analogy I like the most is the invisible wall, specifically the way an amoeba reaches around a rock for food. I correlate this 'pattern' (:p) with modern First Person Shooter games like Counter Strike, Call of Duty or Valorant. If you walk beyond a wall without giving it a 'second thought' (I love the term second thought). You're gonna get shot in the face. Seasoned veterans will even know where your head will be with respect to the ground and aim exaclty in that spot. You need to have the intuition to crawl/crouch or Run beyond that wall to avoid your impending doom. For FPS games the intuition would be as follows: 1) Hey there is opening to walk across 2) This reminds me of when I walked across 'that other' opening and got shot in the face 3) How can I get past this hurdle, that may or may not be the same fate? (My dominant Ti at work here) 4) I got it, I can try the following: a) Crawl b) Run c) Wait for another person to go first and see if he/she gets shot d) Turn back e) Try peaking or throwing a flash bomb/grenade f) Think about: Is there a different/safer way to reach the same goal/location? (Ti-ception) All this to avoid the previous negative pattern of getting shot. 5) Then, my intuition tries to make patterns with the above options until I get Si/Se proof that one of them is better. 6) In the absence of further information to feed my Ti/Ne. I would try the above options in the order of preference of how I feel about them. I think the amoeba example serves well for all the non-gamer peeps out there as well :)
@@caveatlector2022 if Dave ignores "his" Te which is really our Ti reasons aggregating into Te directed at them then no. He will double down on his Ti/Fi and call that jumping. Which in a way IS apt. If Shan ignores her Ni and her hyper Ne/Se mind just runs the info we send her way through whatever Te filter of "irrelevant / relevant" information (no idea what it is "set to" in the moment) then no, they won't. They would NT argue about the concepts they ironically hold Fi dear and use circular logic to refute our observation in order to maintain the integrity of their NT concepts because to change that would be SF painful for them. Pain "exists" in the 2nd and 3rd function because we kind of don't realize how much we lean on the 6th and 8th. Or, another way, the imbalance in our 2nd and 4th is not with 1 and 2 but actually 6th and 8th. All functions may be balanced so they can work as a complete "process." Let us take a 3d approach to the stack. Stop the 2d! Add depth;)
@@Vegetoyesh okay I adored this! I am a Gamma so Alpha quadra is SO alien to me. I can attribute your explanations and even why you would be explaining how you are. A glimpse into your world. But it is a glimpse, not a full experience. I have to muse over on much of what you wrote. I appreciate the gaming analogies as I can better understand them:)
Nah its because shan keeps cutting him of, going along with the mindset of 'I have something more important to say than you', the disharmony is real with this one
It sounds like two different survival tactics. Sensory tries to by good at Acting (doing the thing right now) Intuition tries to be good at Predicting (guessing the future). One want to be good at solving problems, another want to be good at avoiding problems. when you Act, you get your feedback immediately, but when you Predict your feedback is push back into future, until some other things takes place. Maybe this delay in feedback builds up this frustration / impatience ?
Oh god. Now I see it. That's why I hate waiting so much. I set up all this dumb stuff in the future then I have to fucking wait for it. I just want to smash it with my Se hammer, see reality change and get it over with. Anyways, well put. That is an interesting connection between the more "feminine" intuition follows the more "feminine" feeling function in spotting problems/inaction.
I don't know if sensing is acting though. Maybe it is observing and acting at different times. :/ I think of intuition as being focused on unreal things (concepts, possibilities, etc.) that can't be proven (maybe), whereas sensing is focused on real, provable, concrete reality. The past and the present are both set in stone because they either already happened or are currently happening right now, but the future and possibilities both aren't. When it comes to various problems I see people bring up, my thought is always... okay, so what is the plan of attack? Like in science class, they say IF a certain meteor struck Earth, all this reaction would happen. Me: Okay? What is there for me to do about that right now?
@@aprilhelm518 Hi and thanks for replaing. I never said that Sensing is Acting. I said that, for Sensing, immediate Acting is preferable way to solve problems, that's all. Sensing definitely is not Acting. Sensing is Sensing.
@@kabelmovies Kind of sounds the same, imo. I've heard the stereotype, though, about Ni NOT acting, and I don't really believe it. But as for focus, of course sensing types, being concrete, don't plan THAT far into future or possibilities.
I kind of had this idea of Se - Ni - Ne - Si being a chain, if you view it from a societal point of view. Se = gathering chaos/raw data Ni = processing raw data into abstract concepts Ne = gathering abstract concepts Si = further processing the abstract concepts into something useful for the tribe
@Juan Antonelli Short answer; the sexual energy of your saviour functions, masculine or feminine. Example, Ti-Si FF (double feminine) means Ti and Si are both feminine, Se-Te FM (feminine masculine) means Se is feminine and and Te is masculine
@@endgamez7621 im curious, as a feeler when i read ur comment “how the fuck” etc etc my thoughts immediately went to “oh no he might upset the other person with his tone”, but then i saw by clicking on ur thing and it showing ur other comments that ur an ISTP, so now i feel like u didnt have the intention of rudeness, instead ur expressions were just the bluntness you’d see of someone who has Ti over Fe, am i right? cutting straight thru the bullshit, where me a feeler would be afraid of others interpreting it as mean?
10+ minute video on the coping mechanism of intuition users against the fact that they have to deal with the sensory world due to their physical body and limited information conveyer (the language) 😂
Absolutely love watching you guys figure it out in real time. Was very TJ to me. An an Ne, I feel like I would just go off in the space and it would never fit into 10 minutes
Sensory: yes a bee sting is bad but that doesn't mean that bee-look-alike (bumblebee) is also bad. Intuition: that stripey insect (wasp) looks similar to the bee that stung so-and-so. I'm avoiding the look alike too.
I now feel heavily compelled as an ENFP to make a video on how i feel this(intuition)works, as I’ve been decently good at articulating my inner thoughts, feelings, protocols,and world.
Lol do it man! I would watch it. Typed as ENFP a long time ago, but less sure of that the more I learn. That said, after finding stuff like OP, LiJo, Binyamin I feel like I'm getting a greater understanding. Now this is my ranking of what I MIGHT BE in order of greatest to least likelihood (looool): ENTP, INTP, ENFP, ESTP, INFJ. Help me out of this madness. Provide me with concepts. Ty, Sincerely, Thanks
@@rubening the calling is real 😮💨 lol ive been thinking up a lot of stuff id need to throw it all together. So i havent been totally useless. I just need tend to some major irl Si first… so as an enfp.. only god knows how long thatll take. But hey, last week i made progress! I finally got my state plates… after like 3 months and a parking ticket later. Yay for driving legally! Yeet.
Love their vibe! NE for me when it kicks in. There is ussally 4 options that quickly go through my mind. - reminds me off, known connect concepts. - I create new concept. - what is the concept from the other is using. Concept I don’t know yet. Curiosity is key. - what is most likely based on situation.
Ni is similar. Based on gathered information (memories, anecdotes, things I've learned), what is the most likely scenario? The information we use isn't abstract but basic data points. Who, what, when, where, and most importantly, WHY? The "this reminds me of" I think fires off when talking to others, but if we aren't sharing, I don't think that thought happens.
The intuition talk reminds me of a story about Darwin. "The story goes that Darwin was sent a sample of the flower in 1862. Upon seeing its long, narrow nectar tube, he predicted that there must be an insect with a very long proboscis (a tongue-like part) that could reach deep within the hollow space to “drink” the nectar at the bottom. In so doing the insect would bump into the flower’s sticky pollen, enabling its transfer from one flower to another."
@@einsame_Maria They are pretty amazing to observe. You would think it being a moth that its movements are just as sporadic as the next, but these guys are so nimble and fast. The first I saw one, I thought I was looking at a misshapen hummingbird.
man i would love a vlog style type channel from yall. i think it would be cool seeing yall go thru a slice of ur day commenting on things like “there goes Dave’s Fi” LOL
I feel S is like a need to feel safe Right now! If you’ve watched FRIENDS show, wherein Monica and Ross are shown to have such close knit families, and so is Joey’s. Guess what? Monica is a classic esfj and ross is an istj or istp i guess, joey and rachel ate both esfp. Interestingly, Chandler(who’s parents are shown to be very less involved in his life and are divorcing) and Phoebe who is shown as an orphan are both Entp and enfp . What i mean is, chandler and phoebe didnt ‘GET’ the worldview already built by their ‘families’ like Ross monica rachel joey got. So their’s not this need to ‘desperately’ become what is asked. Chandler and phoebe had to slowly built on their own ‘worldviews’ bcoz there was noone to ‘give it to them’ so that they could later built on that ‘downloaded worldview’ with their intuition and collect patterns around THAT downloaded worldview. What i mean is no wonder S types are most common and especially in Asian countires even now bcoz of the ‘control factor’ of the families and therefore S types have a ‘downloaded worldview’ around which they have to use their intuition. Ie S types dont know tht a worldview exists outside the one that’s downloaded since beginning. Howver, for intuitives their worldview is more’ original’ than downloaded and therefore is able to see things which a S type wouldnt be able to see bcoz of their ‘limitation to that box’ . And the N cant understand the S bcoz he doesnt know about the box which S is operating within.
I am pretty sure that "it reminds me" part is decision making. Intuition servers as an internal sensor. This is why intuitive types seem to skip sensory information. They do not. Intuition is an internal sensing. It is a decision making part which gives meaning to the collected information.
This is how Te shows the world in real time Ni has reached a blasting point. With Ni of this caliber, Te is commanding the system this is now the concept that the tribe should be working with.
Intuition is all about making connections, so it is a constant game of relating things to other things. You just don't have to explain the connection to yourself. "Reminds me of" probably wasn't the best way they could have explained it, but the message is accurate.
Sensors give you blank stares when abstract thought is required? I've walked this earth for over 30 years and I've never met a single person who couldn't understand abstract thought.
Basically Intuition is another way of gathering information in order to survive. We have sensing through our five senses but it's not sufficient enough for survival because we can't have all of the information all at once. So in order to survive your brain has to find a way to create more sensory in order to make decisions. Let's say I'm driving and I pull out my map to see where I'm going. Let's say that at some point I spill coffee all over half of the map rendering that half unuseable. I need a full map in order to get to my destination but since reality no longer has a full map I have to turn the map I have into a full map and follow that map to my destination. But since this is only a full map that my brain created, whether I get to my destination or not is up in the air. Basically intuition is your ability to create more sensory to go off of when you don't have enough to make a choice.
The way I see it, having a good, accurate intuition is like being a master of context clues. Kind of like being able to fit the remaining pieces of the jigsaw puzzle with only a few pieces there. The better and more accurate your intuition is, the less pieces you need to see the whole picture and complete the puzzle. Obviously nobody’s always right but personally I find a lot of the times my intuition to be accurate. Of course the only way to build that intuition is to do the sensory work and find out and learn through life, or learn it through someone who has, and just reading books and online discussions about things will build your intuition. But don’t forget the sensory 😆
N is about the human tendency of language I believe. Because saying all leaves are in the category "leaf" is intuition too, because their also all different. They are not the same. But humans categorize so they can have a tool whom with they can know how to handle reality without having to do the same whole thinking process say after day.
It’s nice to know I’m not the only one doing this to my fam .. all entj are prob figure it out the. Proceeded to brow beat until nobody appreciates there genius
I honestly think intuition stores and relates templates of experiences. Specific instances are related to each other through that template. Kind of convenient to 'automatically' connect a current experience to other similar experiences - it's like the list of recommended videos - "hey, here's some potentially relevant information that could be useful for you to have readily accessible."
That was super awesome! I believe exactly what Shan talks about here. Intuition is very important for our species and we shouldn't try to undermine it. We as Ni users sometimes know. And other times... well, this knowledge turns out to be bullshit.
I feel like when I'm explaining stuff, I'm "proving it... " Maybe with intent to provide context so my interlocutors can precisely walk in someone eles shoes & see the "what's" & "why's." Whereas when I'm listening, I'm internally "it's like" filtering & organising. I.E. "Oh! That's just like...." is what I use to walk in someone else's shoes & understand the "what's" & "why's." Then there's that one time (in that one OP NF Analogies vid) Joe Rogan asked RDJ to prove (or explain? Wait. Are they the same?...) "it" & the latter attempted to do so with: "It's like..."
If you have a tip on how to explain abstract patterns or principles to sensors, I would be sooo grateful! It's incredibly frustrating to have to come up with and walk them through 50 tangible examples, before they start seeing the light. (Analogy alert) Imagine trying to solve a 5000 piece puzzle with someone who has to measure out the exact dimensions of every single piece, before they can try putting a few together, instead of looking at the whole picture first. Is it about fear of zooming out, can it be helped? Cheers!
As an Se dom: Your analogies seem waaaaaaay too complicated. Even this one. I couldn't even read it all. I didn't have the patience to do it nor would it have helped me understand you better since you relate it to something - a a sensory thing - have seen, experienced or . Not everyone puzzles and therefore won't get connected with you as quickly. If you try to see what their interests are or what they already understand, they will follow you easier (for example if you know play football and are already familiar with that and they don't have to use any brainpower to try to understand your analogy and where its coming from, relate it to that and it's structures/rules etc. if possible). On top of that, I see that I have to use more brainpower to try to understand your analogy, and it isn't simple and quick. You shouldn't have to use brainpower to understand the analogy. You should use brainpower to understand the subject, and the analogy is just a very, very, very easy dumbed down similar thing that you can then relate to the subject you are trying to understand. It should be used sort of as a stepping-stone, not as its own subject. And another tip: try to make analogies that are as simple (and easy) as those you would use to explain things to a child. No joke.
@@nattifrutti Are you saying that you interact with people on the daily who don't know the definition of a puzzle but understand the intricacies of football? I need to hear more on this.
As a self professed intuitive, I understand the analogy in its entirety. :') (i dont just understand, i feel it xD ) I would like to also see what people think would help...
You can't really put all sensors in the same box. There's no system that would work with all of them. You just have to consider the needs and questions of the individual person. Basically, the solution here is to further develop your sensing function.
Yea, just how annoying it is to explain facts to an intuitive, the same people who believe in god, astrology and fairy tales. Especially masculine intuitives. Just because you imagine something in your head doesn't mean it works in reality.
I believe there is a quote or maybe even overarching thesis made by philosopher Schopenhauer, that could provide insight (potentially and if I understand it correctly.) It states that in short: "Humans and human intelligence is incapable of experiencing the entirety of the world or existence as a whole.. but rather what we experience is only and ever will be a collection of individual perceptions and associations we make with the physical world."
I've thought this myself. Human cognitive evolution seems like Feeling and Sensory first, then Thinking and Sensory, then Feeling/Thinking and Intuition.
N is proposing what is possible. S proves or disproves what N proposes. Both are self v. tribe. Dave looks at internal possibilities and seeks proof in the external world.
I'm not sure whether I'm sensory or intuition dominant, but it seems clear from this video that my observers are in the middle as I can switch between the two more easily and while I lean toward saying I'm intuition dominant, I don't seem to neglect the sensory to the same degree as Dave seems to. I can make arguments for each, but the general structure of my type being more obvious is still useful. I will laugh if I end up having the same OP type as my Myers Briggs which it's still possible.
INTJ here. YES! I do that ALL the time! That reminds me of...That reminds me of....That reminds me of... I even annoy myself with that. LOL But I can't help it. I'm making new associations.
Sometimes I get confused between Ni and Si. But after Dave described Ni+Fi as "this situation reminds me of the feeling of this", I think that Si+Fi is kinda the opposite of this because it's more as comparing situations as they happened in the *real * world and percieving the current *reality * as you percieved the previous ones
My Ne dom needs to know how a fact fits into my network of concepts. The whole system of relationships has to be updated if a new perception introduces a truly new concept, so first question is whether it’s “new” or just analogous to a concept I’ve already incorporated. --ENTP
Totally had this situation of "prove it" sensory with my house mate. He is a heavy Ne user. Makes big observations. Me (most likely sensory dom) beats him over the head to explain himself. His response: "I don't know how to explain it, I'm just seeing this." I think make guesses for him to see if something sticks. It bugs me cause I am seeing somewhat the same sort of patterns but when the sensory is absent I try and find it! 😅
Not lead intuitive, most likely double observer, and the "reminds me of" is something I’ve caught myself doing consistently, to the point where I wondered if not other people were getting annoyed I said it so much. Tend to use it as a segue when I’m not sure the next thing I want to say is still on topic. Got it mixed up along the way, thinking for a while it was an Si thing, even though I’d already watched this video before 😅
So TL;DR: intuition is our ability to infer causes, and we infer causes because it's advantageous to survival. Donno if you have to pull a David Hume and equivocate pattern recognition with causation; one might infer causes because there are Causes (i.e. necessary connections between things). Afaik causation is kinda hotly contested in philosophy right now - there's a kind of resurgence of direct realism atm, so as far as consensus might be concerned, it's either or.
Synthesis of myth or archetypal stories - systems thinking - abstraction - geometry - algebra... Etc ... Just N speculation of why N would be useful In an evoulotionary prespective- For passing on information to other generations in a way that could be used in different situations... Like a distillation of many S experiences into one grand narrative.... Useful for coming up with laws and general guidelines... the "culture" of the tribe
As an intuitive I just see so many patterns with signs in people that I can almost guess people's signs... It is amazing... People who don't see the connections cannot be intuitives right? It is funny, some people see the patterns, others don't
To anyone else like me, who rewinded the video because they wondered: "WHY would Dave wonder why"? at 5:09 : You're gonna read this comment and wonder why I would wonder why Dave would wonder why, and then someone else will wonder why you would wonder why I would wonder why, then someone else will wonder why they would wonder why you would wonder why, and then... Congratulations! You have discovered a completely useless infinite loop; also, you're an intuitive; an Ne-dominant, most likely! You're welcome!
basically it was really simple when they talking about it in the tutorial video I took it in and just made two words for it, sensory is facts and intuition is imagination you have to use facts to put the imaginations together and you have to use imagination to put the facts together
I also suggest you consider a standing desk as sitting for work will cost you life hours & health which can affect your marital situation, emotional & phys. Standing desk helps #inbed. Want to see you two sustsined. ;)
Ni - Can't help but notice 'how I process' this metaphorically/subconsciously Ne - Doesn't understand a pattern until they know 'how much of this is new'
I love the Te tag team here. Something Ti fails to understand is when they let their Ti out, is always boring. In contrast, I felt energized watching this video. ✌️
I'm as sure as I can be that my husband is an S. (Masculine S, for that matter. If something bugs him he either smashes or throws it.) He's either ESFJ or an ENFJ jumper. But I'm leaning towards Si because, despite the fact that he makes guesses all the time, and he constantly talks about past experiences in an "I've seen this before" sort of way, he's not making his guesses, or referencing past experiences in a patterny, more global sort of way. Everything is discrete and specific. He'll guess that someone won't last long at the job because of a very specific, concrete singular past experience in which a guy (who may or may not be like the guy in question....) didn't last long at his job. He constantly brings up the same specific past experiences to illustrate and give credence to present day opinions/guesses. ... it's almost like a parody of what N's are doing. I wanted to run this past ya'll and see if you think I'm reading this right. It's not the "I've seen this before" so much as "I've had enough past experiences that I've noticed a pattern" that N's are doing (even if what they're saying is just "I've seen this before." ... right?
When does it ever end? When you finally really ‘get’ that life is not a puzzle to solve. It is intrinsically unsatisfactory. So you stop struggling against it.
6:33 such a biased angle lol. If you can't see the pattern then you need to be lead through it step by step. I remember when I first learned Meyers Briggs, the facilitator for the career planning workshop challenged us to guess her type. On the last day I said 'You are ESTJ' and she asked - 'what makes you say that? Because you are right.' And I was like 'uh... Because I just worked it out in the last 10 seconds because of things I've seen this whole time?' I tried to spell it out but it was mostly vsuge if-then statements. (I'm INTP)
4:59 it fascinates me how they miss the point when they talk about these things. They need an aware Ne saviour on their team. I don't 'look for' 'this reminds me of' moments. I notice them and they fit into the web of other things I've noticed and then I go 'oh hey, a pattern, these things lead the same direction' and then I follow that direction and find other things that 'fit'. Einstein looked at a clock on a train station and that started a train of thought that lead to the theory of relativity.
Single Observers are more likely to have this issue. If you are using both S and N the under-the-rock issue is solvable but with just one observer function working, you tend to look in the same places or in the same way over and over and the keys have more ways to effectively hide.
idk, idk, i just dont like this example because the two first and second place Si users in my life are pretty good at guessing the word quickly as well, i think you’re just intelligent, i don’t think it’s an Ne thing
Blast: exists
Shan: Shut up for a second
😂😂
@N Y I’m currently on the phone with my lead Blast, Play last best friend- an ENFJ. She’s the absolute best and her Blast isn’t overwhelming. (She’s currently blasting to me about clothes.) The other two closest people in my life are a lead Blast INTJ and ESTJ. I’m a lead Consume, Blast last, so I find it interesting that I congregate with Blasters. I’m sometimes tempted to judge the function (it’s not my responsibility, and can’t people just Consume once in a while???) but then I remember I know lovely people who use it, and who use it without suffocating their listeners. There are extrovert Blasters who have my absolute love and adoration 💞
@@sophiaredwood5825 Shan is actually Blast Last. She actually has to work very hard at doing these videos. That's the joke.
The comment section: Well acktchually...
As a Ti dom, I found it interesting to see Dave & Shan, double Te, trying to work this stuff out. Without intentionally been patronising, I think they were adorable, lol. You can see they are logical and are concentrating on the reasons for things, but it does drain them and use up all their willpower to focus on ONE concept in great detail and depth. Interesting. Great vid as always.
"Shut up for a second Dave. Take a nap." 🤣
Intuition is survival instinct to build on what we can prove, predict what might come even if we can't see it yet.
Basically, Intuition is the focus on what cannot be proven.
Based on what though, exactly?
@@caveatlector2022 exactly
@derp derpson
"exactly," what, exactly?
I'm asking for a literally tangeable analogy.
Metaphorically speaking.
And the source for all the sickening and maddening presumptions and false judgements.
All in all, it ain't worth it! Better not to have it as a lead function
@@ArasheNorto can’t imagine not looking into the bigger picture in life at an early age, I like being Ne
Intuition is like "I have half of the picture, so I draw the second half myself, based on what I already know"
I love the new videos lately where Dave and Shan are bringing up examples and then perfectly demonstrating their own examples with each other 😂 helps me to know what to look for
As a Ti-dom, I thought this whole Te thought exercise was incredibly cute. Carry on.
I know that you may be reluctant to but I would be very interested in reading about your thoughts / analysis of this video / "this whole Te thought exercise." As I mentioned in my comment, OP needs Ti depth!
Why do I feel like I've seen these two comments like 100's of times before...
Albeit in many different (and very specifically detailed) articulations...?
Oh & btw...
Yes please.
Will they listen tho?
Eh.
If a middle finger counts, then yes.
@@gooddaygene8355 Dominant Ti/Ne user here. I am new to the Objective Personality channel, so excuse me if I point out obvious take aways from the way Dave and Shan talk. Having that out of the way.
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I found the excercise to be greatly insightful. What intruigued me wasn't the ideas themselves. But how they reached that conclusion as a collective (Dave and Shan).
For example, it was sufficient for me to just read the dictionary reference on Merriam-Webster for the word Intuition.
Intuition noun
a: the power or faculty of attaining to direct knowledge or cognition without evident rational thought and inference
b: immediate apprehension or cognition
c: knowledge or conviction gained by intuition
Here, as a Ti user I can already eliminate option (c) of the defnition since they are vague/misleading and hard to understand and literally uses the word to define itself which creates a loop (word-ception if you will).
The 'b' part is something that wasn't mentioned very much in the video. If you'd like an example:
* Imagine you come home from work after a long hard day. All you want to do is take off your shoes & socks and relax on the sofa.
* You get home, excited for the 'to be' chill session.
* You open the door and remove your shoes & socks and feel the cool hardwood floors or the warm carpets of the house.
* You hold your shoes in your hands to put them on the shoe rack, since that's where they belong and you like to keep clean, like they say, "out of sight out of mind".
* Only to find.. That the shoe rack is missing.
* Now you remember that your wife/mom/roommate had to dismantle it in preparation to make your move to a new apartment easier.
* You curse the inconvenience, and find a different place to keep your shoes. Your mental peace destroyed.
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What Dave and Shan were talking about in the video is 'a'. Although the definition is very obvious to me. To explain it to someone else is a different matter.
In the video, they brought out good examples of how to explain such a concept to a sensory person. All the while Dave had to fight his inner monologue during his speech, as much as he tried, he couldn't stop his inner monologue of 'Why'. The 'why' tries to connect the sensory information of the 'now' with something that has happened before. It tries to get the patterns in order. So that the probability of what will happen next is high in his mind. And I assume like for myself, it brings him some comfort knowing how things will proceed.
Since I'm mostly a perceiving type of person, I am also excited by the future un-explored possibilities, leading to a bunch of chaos. Some Intuitive users would rather use their future prediction to ensure a sustainable stable environment. Neither approach is right or wrong.
The analogy I like the most is the invisible wall, specifically the way an amoeba reaches around a rock for food. I correlate this 'pattern' (:p) with modern First Person Shooter games like Counter Strike, Call of Duty or Valorant.
If you walk beyond a wall without giving it a 'second thought' (I love the term second thought). You're gonna get shot in the face. Seasoned veterans will even know where your head will be with respect to the ground and aim exaclty in that spot. You need to have the intuition to crawl/crouch or Run beyond that wall to avoid your impending doom.
For FPS games the intuition would be as follows:
1) Hey there is opening to walk across
2) This reminds me of when I walked across 'that other' opening and got shot in the face
3) How can I get past this hurdle, that may or may not be the same fate? (My dominant Ti at work here)
4) I got it, I can try the following:
a) Crawl
b) Run
c) Wait for another person to go first and see if he/she gets shot
d) Turn back
e) Try peaking or throwing a flash bomb/grenade
f) Think about: Is there a different/safer way to reach the same goal/location? (Ti-ception)
All this to avoid the previous negative pattern of getting shot.
5) Then, my intuition tries to make patterns with the above options until I get Si/Se proof that one of them is better.
6) In the absence of further information to feed my Ti/Ne. I would try the above options in the order of preference of how I feel about them.
I think the amoeba example serves well for all the non-gamer peeps out there as well :)
@@caveatlector2022 if Dave ignores "his" Te which is really our Ti reasons aggregating into Te directed at them then no. He will double down on his Ti/Fi and call that jumping. Which in a way IS apt. If Shan ignores her Ni and her hyper Ne/Se mind just runs the info we send her way through whatever Te filter of "irrelevant / relevant" information (no idea what it is "set to" in the moment) then no, they won't. They would NT argue about the concepts they ironically hold Fi dear and use circular logic to refute our observation in order to maintain the integrity of their NT concepts because to change that would be SF painful for them. Pain "exists" in the 2nd and 3rd function because we kind of don't realize how much we lean on the 6th and 8th. Or, another way, the imbalance in our 2nd and 4th is not with 1 and 2 but actually 6th and 8th. All functions may be balanced so they can work as a complete "process." Let us take a 3d approach to the stack. Stop the 2d! Add depth;)
@@Vegetoyesh okay I adored this! I am a Gamma so Alpha quadra is SO alien to me. I can attribute your explanations and even why you would be explaining how you are. A glimpse into your world. But it is a glimpse, not a full experience. I have to muse over on much of what you wrote. I appreciate the gaming analogies as I can better understand them:)
Dave literally spoke about 3 times in this video 😆 and all of them were about, "this reminds me of.." great vid
I can see Dave getting drained by this whole conversation. I feel that way too talking sensory stuff.😆 Great explanation by Shan. 👍😄
Ti deficiency.
Nah its because shan keeps cutting him of, going along with the mindset of 'I have something more important to say than you', the disharmony is real with this one
@@jaymie817
Well, there's that, too...
@@caveatlector2022 ok lol
@zeta
Ok.
It sounds like two different survival tactics.
Sensory tries to by good at Acting (doing the thing right now)
Intuition tries to be good at Predicting (guessing the future).
One want to be good at solving problems, another want to be good at avoiding problems.
when you Act, you get your feedback immediately, but when you Predict your feedback is push back into future,
until some other things takes place.
Maybe this delay in feedback builds up this frustration / impatience ?
Solving problems vs avoiding problems. Yes. 100%!
Oh god. Now I see it. That's why I hate waiting so much. I set up all this dumb stuff in the future then I have to fucking wait for it. I just want to smash it with my Se hammer, see reality change and get it over with.
Anyways, well put. That is an interesting connection between the more "feminine" intuition follows the more "feminine" feeling function in spotting problems/inaction.
I don't know if sensing is acting though. Maybe it is observing and acting at different times. :/
I think of intuition as being focused on unreal things (concepts, possibilities, etc.) that can't be proven (maybe), whereas sensing is focused on real, provable, concrete reality. The past and the present are both set in stone because they either already happened or are currently happening right now, but the future and possibilities both aren't.
When it comes to various problems I see people bring up, my thought is always... okay, so what is the plan of attack? Like in science class, they say IF a certain meteor struck Earth, all this reaction would happen. Me: Okay? What is there for me to do about that right now?
@@aprilhelm518 Hi and thanks for replaing.
I never said that Sensing is Acting.
I said that, for Sensing, immediate Acting is preferable way to solve problems, that's all.
Sensing definitely is not Acting. Sensing is Sensing.
@@kabelmovies Kind of sounds the same, imo. I've heard the stereotype, though, about Ni NOT acting, and I don't really believe it. But as for focus, of course sensing types, being concrete, don't plan THAT far into future or possibilities.
I kind of had this idea of Se - Ni - Ne - Si being a chain, if you view it from a societal point of view.
Se = gathering chaos/raw data
Ni = processing raw data into abstract concepts
Ne = gathering abstract concepts
Si = further processing the abstract concepts into something useful for the tribe
Shan has to lightly push and block Dave to not interrupt her! 😆
How *DARE* Dave interupt her interruptions.
The utter audacity.
@@caveatlector2022 yeeeah, what a woman hater.
😂
She takes ×3 number of words than Dave to say the same thing.
Seems like she's jealous of Dave ability to be pin point informative.
@Gordon A
Objectively speaking?
I can see why you'd entertain that position.
Subjectively speaking?
Nah; she's just an ENTJ 😂
Shan’s double masculine blast all the way cranked up here 😂
@Juan Antonelli Short answer; the sexual energy of your saviour functions, masculine or feminine.
Example, Ti-Si FF (double feminine) means Ti and Si are both feminine, Se-Te FM (feminine masculine) means Se is feminine and and Te is masculine
@@casualduck7398 how the fuck can a person be ti-fi or se-te
@@endgamez7621 I meant Ti-Si, bit of a brainfart there
@@casualduck7398 oh gtk
@@endgamez7621 im curious, as a feeler when i read ur comment “how the fuck” etc etc my thoughts immediately went to “oh no he might upset the other person with his tone”, but then i saw by clicking on ur thing and it showing ur other comments that ur an ISTP, so now i feel like u didnt have the intention of rudeness, instead ur expressions were just the bluntness you’d see of someone who has Ti over Fe, am i right? cutting straight thru the bullshit, where me a feeler would be afraid of others interpreting it as mean?
Way to go, Shan! I knew these guys would understand more in a couple years. The progression is great to see.
Ohh God I just feel what Dave is going through in this video 😂😂😂🤦🏻♂️
10+ minute video on the coping mechanism of intuition users against the fact that they have to deal with the sensory world due to their physical body and limited information conveyer (the language) 😂
That did wonders to deepen my understanding of Se and Ni. Thank you!
Absolutely love watching you guys figure it out in real time. Was very TJ to me. An an Ne, I feel like I would just go off in the space and it would never fit into 10 minutes
I LOVE this. Nice work Shan!!!
Sensory: yes a bee sting is bad but that doesn't mean that bee-look-alike (bumblebee) is also bad.
Intuition: that stripey insect (wasp) looks similar to the bee that stung so-and-so. I'm avoiding the look alike too.
I now feel heavily compelled as an ENFP to make a video on how i feel this(intuition)works, as I’ve been decently good at articulating my inner thoughts, feelings, protocols,and world.
.. I really hope i get to this!!
Gonna do it guys just you wait
Lol do it man! I would watch it. Typed as ENFP a long time ago, but less sure of that the more I learn.
That said, after finding stuff like OP, LiJo, Binyamin I feel like I'm getting a greater understanding.
Now this is my ranking of what I MIGHT BE in order of greatest to least likelihood (looool): ENTP, INTP, ENFP, ESTP, INFJ.
Help me out of this madness. Provide me with concepts. Ty,
Sincerely,
Thanks
@@rubening the calling is real 😮💨 lol
ive been thinking up a lot of stuff id need to throw it all together. So i havent been totally useless. I just need tend to some major irl Si first… so as an enfp.. only god knows how long thatll take.
But hey, last week i made progress! I finally got my state plates… after like 3 months and a parking ticket later. Yay for driving legally!
Yeet.
And like a good ENFP you probably just toyed with the idea, but never actually did it
My mind is blown as well. Gonna have to sit with this before I can get anything else done.
Love their vibe!
NE for me when it kicks in. There is ussally 4 options that quickly go through my mind.
- reminds me off, known connect concepts.
- I create new concept.
- what is the concept from the other is using. Concept I don’t know yet. Curiosity is key.
- what is most likely based on situation.
Ni is similar. Based on gathered information (memories, anecdotes, things I've learned), what is the most likely scenario? The information we use isn't abstract but basic data points. Who, what, when, where, and most importantly, WHY?
The "this reminds me of" I think fires off when talking to others, but if we aren't sharing, I don't think that thought happens.
The intuition talk reminds me of a story about Darwin.
"The story goes that Darwin was sent a sample of the flower in 1862. Upon seeing its long, narrow nectar tube, he predicted that there must be an insect with a very long proboscis (a tongue-like part) that could reach deep within the hollow space to “drink” the nectar at the bottom. In so doing the insect would bump into the flower’s sticky pollen, enabling its transfer from one flower to another."
R u talkin about hummingbirds bro
@@jillwhitley8843 hm... It's called a Hawk Moth. At least that's what I read
@@einsame_Maria damn hawk moths do have long Proboscis… also there is a species called the hummingbird hawk moth. 10/10 very cute
@@einsame_Maria They are pretty amazing to observe. You would think it being a moth that its movements are just as sporadic as the next, but these guys are so nimble and fast. The first I saw one, I thought I was looking at a misshapen hummingbird.
That's interesting but until this video I would have thought of that at as sensing.
man i would love a vlog style type channel from yall. i think it would be cool seeing yall go thru a slice of ur day commenting on things like “there goes Dave’s Fi” LOL
I feel S is like a need to feel safe Right now! If you’ve watched FRIENDS show, wherein Monica and Ross are shown to have such close knit families, and so is Joey’s. Guess what? Monica is a classic esfj and ross is an istj or istp i guess, joey and rachel ate both esfp. Interestingly, Chandler(who’s parents are shown to be very less involved in his life and are divorcing) and Phoebe who is shown as an orphan are both Entp and enfp .
What i mean is, chandler and phoebe didnt ‘GET’ the worldview already built by their ‘families’ like Ross monica rachel joey got. So their’s not this need to ‘desperately’ become what is asked. Chandler and phoebe had to slowly built on their own ‘worldviews’ bcoz there was noone to ‘give it to them’ so that they could later built on that ‘downloaded worldview’ with their intuition and collect patterns around THAT downloaded worldview.
What i mean is no wonder S types are most common and especially in Asian countires even now bcoz of the ‘control factor’ of the families and therefore S types have a ‘downloaded worldview’ around which they have to use their intuition. Ie S types dont know tht a worldview exists outside the one that’s downloaded since beginning.
Howver, for intuitives their worldview is more’ original’ than downloaded and therefore is able to see things which a S type wouldnt be able to see bcoz of their ‘limitation to that box’ . And the N cant understand the S bcoz he doesnt know about the box which S is operating within.
Interesting point. Looking around my environment supports your theory.
Also thank you for putting the sensory first. (y)
I am pretty sure that "it reminds me" part is decision making. Intuition servers as an internal sensor. This is why intuitive types seem to skip sensory information. They do not. Intuition is an internal sensing. It is a decision making part which gives meaning to the collected information.
This is how Te shows the world in real time Ni has reached a blasting point.
With Ni of this caliber, Te is commanding the system this is now the concept that the tribe should be working with.
I don't say reminds me of to myself, I say it to sensors who look blank at me when abstract thought is required. The analogies are for them, not me.
Intuition is all about making connections, so it is a constant game of relating things to other things. You just don't have to explain the connection to yourself. "Reminds me of" probably wasn't the best way they could have explained it, but the message is accurate.
Sensors give you blank stares when abstract thought is required? I've walked this earth for over 30 years and I've never met a single person who couldn't understand abstract thought.
@@basic-decaf You lucky unicorn of a bastard :))) Are you S or N?
i wanna hear yalls definitions/examples of abstract thought. any examples please of the abstract thoughts yall are tryna explain to sensors
Basically Intuition is another way of gathering information in order to survive. We have sensing through our five senses but it's not sufficient enough for survival because we can't have all of the information all at once. So in order to survive your brain has to find a way to create more sensory in order to make decisions. Let's say I'm driving and I pull out my map to see where I'm going. Let's say that at some point I spill coffee all over half of the map rendering that half unuseable. I need a full map in order to get to my destination but since reality no longer has a full map I have to turn the map I have into a full map and follow that map to my destination. But since this is only a full map that my brain created, whether I get to my destination or not is up in the air. Basically intuition is your ability to create more sensory to go off of when you don't have enough to make a choice.
This video is so relatable, good one guys!
Fascinating!
The way I see it, having a good, accurate intuition is like being a master of context clues. Kind of like being able to fit the remaining pieces of the jigsaw puzzle with only a few pieces there. The better and more accurate your intuition is, the less pieces you need to see the whole picture and complete the puzzle. Obviously nobody’s always right but personally I find a lot of the times my intuition to be accurate. Of course the only way to build that intuition is to do the sensory work and find out and learn through life, or learn it through someone who has, and just reading books and online discussions about things will build your intuition. But don’t forget the sensory 😆
"Legolas, what do your elf eyes see??" Said the sensor to the intuitive
For real. Observers and anxiety. If it's "like this one time," we might not get blown up again
Love it when Dave Sleep processes mid-sentence 😅
Intuitive leaps....sensory trudges....
N is about the human tendency of language I believe. Because saying all leaves are in the category "leaf" is intuition too, because their also all different. They are not the same. But humans categorize so they can have a tool whom with they can know how to handle reality without having to do the same whole thinking process say after day.
It’s nice to know I’m not the only one doing this to my fam .. all entj are prob figure it out the. Proceeded to brow beat until nobody appreciates there genius
Imagine life without needing to prove everything.....heaven! 🌫️
Can we get a compilation video of the both of them telling each other to shut up?
Default, that I would only watch half the videos, and that would automatically put me in a category with 50% of other people is hilarious
I honestly think intuition stores and relates templates of experiences.
Specific instances are related to each other through that template.
Kind of convenient to 'automatically' connect a current experience to other similar experiences - it's like the list of recommended videos - "hey, here's some potentially relevant information that could be useful for you to have readily accessible."
I'm so glad we're finally addressing the Dave overtalking thing 0:09
That was super awesome! I believe exactly what Shan talks about here. Intuition is very important for our species and we shouldn't try to undermine it. We as Ni users sometimes know. And other times... well, this knowledge turns out to be bullshit.
yh i get u
I feel like when I'm explaining stuff, I'm "proving it... "
Maybe with intent to provide context so my interlocutors can precisely walk in someone eles shoes & see the "what's" & "why's."
Whereas when I'm listening, I'm internally "it's like" filtering & organising.
I.E. "Oh! That's just like...." is what I use to walk in someone else's shoes & understand the "what's" & "why's."
Then there's that one time (in that one OP NF Analogies vid) Joe Rogan asked RDJ to prove (or explain? Wait. Are they the same?...) "it" & the latter attempted to do so with:
"It's like..."
It's abstraction and comparison vs exaction and constrast. (Yes, I made exaction up and now I like it).
So when do we get to see an analysis of one of Dave’s chess games lol
If you have a tip on how to explain abstract patterns or principles to sensors, I would be sooo grateful!
It's incredibly frustrating to have to come up with and walk them through 50 tangible examples, before they start seeing the light. (Analogy alert) Imagine trying to solve a 5000 piece puzzle with someone who has to measure out the exact dimensions of every single piece, before they can try putting a few together, instead of looking at the whole picture first. Is it about fear of zooming out, can it be helped? Cheers!
As an Se dom:
Your analogies seem waaaaaaay too complicated. Even this one. I couldn't even read it all. I didn't have the patience to do it nor would it have helped me understand you better since you relate it to something - a a sensory thing - have seen, experienced or . Not everyone puzzles and therefore won't get connected with you as quickly. If you try to see what their interests are or what they already understand, they will follow you easier (for example if you know play football and are already familiar with that and they don't have to use any brainpower to try to understand your analogy and where its coming from, relate it to that and it's structures/rules etc. if possible).
On top of that, I see that I have to use more brainpower to try to understand your analogy, and it isn't simple and quick. You shouldn't have to use brainpower to understand the analogy. You should use brainpower to understand the subject, and the analogy is just a very, very, very easy dumbed down similar thing that you can then relate to the subject you are trying to understand. It should be used sort of as a stepping-stone, not as its own subject.
And another tip: try to make analogies that are as simple (and easy) as those you would use to explain things to a child. No joke.
@@nattifrutti Are you saying that you interact with people on the daily who don't know the definition of a puzzle but understand the intricacies of football? I need to hear more on this.
As a self professed intuitive, I understand the analogy in its entirety. :') (i dont just understand, i feel it xD ) I would like to also see what people think would help...
You can't really put all sensors in the same box. There's no system that would work with all of them. You just have to consider the needs and questions of the individual person. Basically, the solution here is to further develop your sensing function.
Yea, just how annoying it is to explain facts to an intuitive, the same people who believe in god, astrology and fairy tales. Especially masculine intuitives. Just because you imagine something in your head doesn't mean it works in reality.
I believe there is a quote or maybe even overarching thesis made by philosopher Schopenhauer, that could provide insight (potentially and if I understand it correctly.) It states that in short: "Humans and human intelligence is incapable of experiencing the entirety of the world or existence as a whole.. but rather what we experience is only and ever will be a collection of individual perceptions and associations we make with the physical world."
I get it. Thank you Shan
As an entp I feel more that way about responsibilities rather than learning. When do the responsibilities end?? I've handled them all
I've thought this myself. Human cognitive evolution seems like Feeling and Sensory first, then Thinking and Sensory, then Feeling/Thinking and Intuition.
9:00 Shan summarizes it : solving for “seeing thought the walls” human need.
N is proposing what is possible. S proves or disproves what N proposes. Both are self v. tribe. Dave looks at internal possibilities and seeks proof in the external world.
Shan 😂😂😂 also me...with my husband
So intuition is more on for creation and inference, via relying on experience?
I'm not sure whether I'm sensory or intuition dominant, but it seems clear from this video that my observers are in the middle as I can switch between the two more easily and while I lean toward saying I'm intuition dominant, I don't seem to neglect the sensory to the same degree as Dave seems to. I can make arguments for each, but the general structure of my type being more obvious is still useful. I will laugh if I end up having the same OP type as my Myers Briggs which it's still possible.
4:12 holy shit this is how I learned typology oh my god I just relate everything to myself until I get it
INTJ here. YES! I do that ALL the time! That reminds me of...That reminds me of....That reminds me of... I even annoy myself with that. LOL But I can't help it. I'm making new associations.
This reminds me of shut up a second, the tale of two typists 🤗
Peak working together.
I love Shan’s explanation, but I wish I would have gotten to hear Dave’s explanations as well.
Adding a verse to your poem, intuitives have laid down eyelashes while sensing dominant people have curled eyelashes.
would you say that intuition is doing something more creative by having to make a leap beyond what already exists?
Sometimes I get confused between Ni and Si. But after Dave described Ni+Fi as "this situation reminds me of the feeling of this", I think that Si+Fi is kinda the opposite of this because it's more as comparing situations as they happened in the *real * world and percieving the current *reality * as you percieved the previous ones
I'm here from/for the thumbnail, & Dave's hair 😏
edit: "Reminds of 2 dogs..."
It's like watching Gracie JJ in action, only, OPS in action, folks 😎
Intuition is utilizing patterns and past experience To relay to current circumstances.
My Ne dom needs to know how a fact fits into my network of concepts. The whole system of relationships has to be updated if a new perception introduces a truly new concept, so first question is whether it’s “new” or just analogous to a concept I’ve already incorporated. --ENTP
Does it mean that I'm intuitive if I couldn't really understand much OR focus during the video??
Totally had this situation of "prove it" sensory with my house mate. He is a heavy Ne user. Makes big observations. Me (most likely sensory dom) beats him over the head to explain himself. His response: "I don't know how to explain it, I'm just seeing this." I think make guesses for him to see if something sticks. It bugs me cause I am seeing somewhat the same sort of patterns but when the sensory is absent I try and find it! 😅
In case of the absence of sensory data, and the because it's faster than wait for it... both make sense!
Not lead intuitive, most likely double observer, and the "reminds me of" is something I’ve caught myself doing consistently, to the point where I wondered if not other people were getting annoyed I said it so much. Tend to use it as a segue when I’m not sure the next thing I want to say is still on topic. Got it mixed up along the way, thinking for a while it was an Si thing, even though I’d already watched this video before 😅
So TL;DR: intuition is our ability to infer causes, and we infer causes because it's advantageous to survival.
Donno if you have to pull a David Hume and equivocate pattern recognition with causation; one might infer causes because there are Causes (i.e. necessary connections between things). Afaik causation is kinda hotly contested in philosophy right now - there's a kind of resurgence of direct realism atm, so as far as consensus might be concerned, it's either or.
Oh, an imperfect but interesting example for this video:
'Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?' 😂
I read somewhere that intuition was created to fill in the blind spot of human eyesight
Synthesis of myth or archetypal stories - systems thinking - abstraction - geometry - algebra... Etc ... Just N speculation of why N would be useful In an evoulotionary prespective- For passing on information to other generations in a way that could be used in different situations... Like a distillation of many S experiences into one grand narrative.... Useful for coming up with laws and general guidelines... the "culture" of the tribe
As an intuitive I just see so many patterns with signs in people that I can almost guess people's signs... It is amazing... People who don't see the connections cannot be intuitives right?
It is funny, some people see the patterns, others don't
Are you two trying, or are you just this cute?
To anyone else like me, who rewinded the video because they wondered: "WHY would Dave wonder why"? at 5:09 :
You're gonna read this comment and wonder why I would wonder why Dave would wonder why, and then someone else will wonder why you would wonder why I would wonder why, then someone else will wonder why they would wonder why you would wonder why, and then...
Congratulations!
You have discovered a completely useless infinite loop; also, you're an intuitive; an Ne-dominant, most likely!
You're welcome!
Darn you! lol
I still can't tell why he said why. I alwas go back and check when someone says they wonder lol
Cilia is what she's thinking of. Oh Cecilla, I'm down on my knees. Is a song by Simon and The Gratefunkle Dead.
I need here to shut up Dave in other videos aswell this is great
basically it was really simple when they talking about it in the tutorial video
I took it in and just made two words for it, sensory is facts and intuition is imagination
you have to use facts to put the imaginations together and you have to use imagination to put the facts together
why do i feel like i haven't learned anything new
I keep hearing and seeing (in mannerisms) Jerry Seinfeld.
* now that I watched the video in it’s entirety I should have written “Dave reminds me of…”.
I also suggest you consider a standing desk as sitting for work will cost you life hours & health which can affect your marital situation, emotional & phys. Standing desk helps #inbed. Want to see you two sustsined. ;)
Sustained.
those last 2 sentences werent creepy at all..
I like overview more than details
That's why class gets boring and is soo DRAINING
Ni - Can't help but notice 'how I process' this metaphorically/subconsciously
Ne - Doesn't understand a pattern until they know 'how much of this is new'
I love the Te tag team here. Something Ti fails to understand is when they let their Ti out, is always boring. In contrast, I felt energized watching this video. ✌️
so true. Ti overload can be annoying cause its like, come on stop drawling on and on and let me speak LOL!
Cool
Ni is for prediction. Ne is for innovation.
'Se' last HAIR!!! XD XD
I'm as sure as I can be that my husband is an S. (Masculine S, for that matter. If something bugs him he either smashes or throws it.) He's either ESFJ or an ENFJ jumper. But I'm leaning towards Si because, despite the fact that he makes guesses all the time, and he constantly talks about past experiences in an "I've seen this before" sort of way, he's not making his guesses, or referencing past experiences in a patterny, more global sort of way. Everything is discrete and specific. He'll guess that someone won't last long at the job because of a very specific, concrete singular past experience in which a guy (who may or may not be like the guy in question....) didn't last long at his job. He constantly brings up the same specific past experiences to illustrate and give credence to present day opinions/guesses. ... it's almost like a parody of what N's are doing.
I wanted to run this past ya'll and see if you think I'm reading this right. It's not the "I've seen this before" so much as "I've had enough past experiences that I've noticed a pattern" that N's are doing (even if what they're saying is just "I've seen this before." ... right?
Isn't "prove it in the sensory" just Te? Maybe "do it in/with the sensory." Somehow engage what's actually there, right now
Ne proposes possibility for the tribe and proves it from what is known internally.
And, in INTP, analyzes the Hell out of it. Problem is shakiness in dealing with Tribe with demon Fe.
When ur 50 you are able to use both pretty well... you develop over time if self aware.
When does it ever end? When you finally really ‘get’ that life is not a puzzle to solve. It is intrinsically unsatisfactory. So you stop struggling against it.
6:33 such a biased angle lol. If you can't see the pattern then you need to be lead through it step by step.
I remember when I first learned Meyers Briggs, the facilitator for the career planning workshop challenged us to guess her type.
On the last day I said 'You are ESTJ' and she asked - 'what makes you say that? Because you are right.'
And I was like 'uh... Because I just worked it out in the last 10 seconds because of things I've seen this whole time?'
I tried to spell it out but it was mostly vsuge if-then statements.
(I'm INTP)
4:59 it fascinates me how they miss the point when they talk about these things. They need an aware Ne saviour on their team.
I don't 'look for' 'this reminds me of' moments. I notice them and they fit into the web of other things I've noticed and then I go 'oh hey, a pattern, these things lead the same direction' and then I follow that direction and find other things that 'fit'.
Einstein looked at a clock on a train station and that started a train of thought that lead to the theory of relativity.
What types can't find stuff? Like if his keys are under something (behind the rock). If they can't see it, welp, it must be gone.
Single Observers are more likely to have this issue. If you are using both S and N the under-the-rock issue is solvable but with just one observer function working, you tend to look in the same places or in the same way over and over and the keys have more ways to effectively hide.
8:48 yes! Ne gets it in 3 letters. I do it all the time.
idk, idk, i just dont like this example because the two first and second place Si users in my life are pretty good at guessing the word quickly as well, i think you’re just intelligent, i don’t think it’s an Ne thing