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It's frustrating because it seems intuitives are - in general - more interested in seeing how sensors see the world, but not the other way around. For example, I've spent most of my life trying to figure out how others see the world and why things have felt 'off,' but I don't meet a lot of sensors who are trying to do the same -- they may wonder why I seem weird but leave it at that, with no investigation. (I can't judge them for it, because what would motivate them to do this? They don't experience the same conflict in social situations I don't think.)
For sure. I agree this tends to be true. I know one sensor who is absolutely fascinated with intuitive type people, very curious. But that is one out of how many? An amount I can't name. And yes, I think some of that interest we have is in part bc we are sort of forced to figure out their world to some extent bc of norms. They dominate society and don't really have a motivation from that pov. However I will say that there is this to consider as well: I think mbti/Jungian spaces can be hostile toward sensors. And do feel that kind of arrogance emanating from these spaces. I mean even the testing is biased and basically says "if you like to think about stuff you are intuitive and if you are a sensor you can't be deep, you are prob less smart, etc"
I love being around other intuitives. Especially feeling types. It seems as if there is a natural connection between them and me that I never have with sensing types. I am an INFP and some of my best friends are INFJs, ENFPS and ENFJs.
"Sometimes an intuitive forms their own idea about what is being said; not what's said, actually, but what they thought when they heard it" - that's a truly brilliant description of how my mind (and many other minds, obviously) works. I love your analysis, it's very enlightening.
can you elaborate in which kind of things you tend or like to go deep? it's interesting to hear. I'm an INTP and curious if different types go deeper more in a simular direction or more a in a different one
Also intuitive married to sensor. Only wish I knew about mbti before I met her. Maybe just be friends instead of the road we went. Now love is in the way of walking away.
Hm, i‘m not married yet, just been 3 years with my sensor boyfriend. Somehow this is exactly why i chose him. I‘m very self-reliant and happy with myself, but when i got to know him, i instinctively knew that he had something that i could never learn for myself, he was a missing piece. I profit highly from his groundedness. I just have no idea what he can gain from my intuitiveness. It‘s quite useless in the real world. 😅 He was a bit shocked when he found out over time that my aloofness wasn’t a phase of stress at work, but a personality trait that he has to cope with now. 😂
I don't see why we can't accept the strengths (and weaknesses) of each type,because if an intuitive type pretends to not see things that sensors tend to miss,then they are full of shit. Likewise,if an intuitive type doesn't realize that they tend to sometimes miss what is right in front of them,because their focus is elsewhere (looking for the not so obvious meaning behind what is thought to be "known" reality". Often reality isn't what it seems and the five senses are easily fooled. All intuitive types are cocky when it comes to their intuition.I see it with every intuitive type. Sensors have their own cockiness and often think intuitive types are out to lunch (and they can be),because they don't realize what they can see. I think all types are cocky with their dominant strengths.
Brilliant analogies. Love the S vs the N : "Nice to meet you - yeah nice to meet you - and then go their separate ways". Your expression summed it all up lol. I secretly envy the sensor types (perhaps envy is too strong a word). They tend to ground me a lot. We'll both witness something and when I speak to them afterwards, they recount a detective-like run down of what happened VERBATIM. Its like those people who go: "and then he said, and then she said' and that's it lol
I find this to be the disconnect between my best friend and me. They're a sensor and I'm an intuitive, and when we talk for a long time they tend to want to pull the conversation towards the real while I keep pulling towards the imaginary. 😂
So to say all my friends are intuitives (and I am one myself), and we can often have deep conversations, but simultanously stare randomly into the air and appear somewhat absent. Eye contact etc. just isn't that important to us, sort of.
Woahhh. Haven't finished your vid yet (still up tp 1:39) but I just can't help but say - I'm simply amazed at the simplicity and precision of your description of what Ns see (option C to D, then seeing B and A as a means to see D). A for Accuracy! So after the vid: the other points are definitely interesting, but I can't help but feel that the conflict between Ns and Ss are... tuned down. And it isn't just from my experience but what I hear from others and what I read over the comments from Ns- there's a great/frequent conflict in interpersonal interactions between the two types because (okay, might be going biased but here I go) Ss tend to look at an N's presentation at face value and conclude it at that, when in fact, it shouldn't be taken at face value at all. And it would take a lot, and I mean a lot of effort from you for them (the ones I had been in close encounter with, at least) to realize that that's not what you mean at all. There rarely is a benefit of the doubt, rarely would they think of alternatives, that they may be judging too early, (or at least for SJs I know, I suppose), and this just feels way too narrowing.
Hi Erik. Thank you for your video. This is great, I love your very clear explanation of sensing and intuition. And also your take on the 'clash' between them I find very interesting and could be very helpful for sensors and intuitives to create more harmony together. :-)
spot on. damn! Impressions only apply and I hear what I want to hear. I tune out quickly if I am bored or if the topic is boring. I tune out then start thinking about the rammifications of the info. 100% N, ENFP here
Its funny. Someone might have varying concepts of 'depth' but their rating of their own self depth might also be subjective. None of us are capable of figuring out how "deep' each other goes. But we can measure how one views the self. as deep or not.
I am the only intuitive in family of sensors.. its honestly suffocating that they donot consider future as much as i do or see everything the way i see
Aside from functional differences, intuitives get a lot of disapproval from sensors in regard to how intuitives look, talk, and move; as well as their decisions to socialize or not socialize, and the activities they choose to do. In other words, intuitives get a lot of disapproval from sensors in regard to their "personalities". Eventually, being treated like an outcast and like they are worth less than sensors makes intuitives disdainful toward sensors. You say that intuitives are not "higher beings" than sensors; but our whole lives, we have been treated like we are "lesser beings" because we're not into the social games that sensors use to assess value. We're treated like we're lesser being for not caring what our asses look like in these jeans, or what so-and-so said to so-and-so. When in fact we have other interests -- and abilities -- that most sensors don't have. So you know, I'm okay, for once, saying that I'm a "higher being" than a lot of these people -- if for no other reason than to say fuck you for all the years I was treated like like a "lesser" one.
My boss likes to joke about how I (from his perspective) rarely seem to "see things" that are "right in front" of my face, and then add, "so how in the h*ll do you always seem to be able to find all these little things way the heck over here, here, & here?" (and I pictured the vividly forceful arm-hand gestures reaching out, quick-flicking his hand in the 'here' direction he's pointing at, & grabbing the air in that direction) He means it in the literal Sensing "I thought these glasses you're wearing were supposed to help you with that", as well as the figurative sense of intuitively gravitating towards what he "sees" as being the far-reaching tangents I like to internally weigh out and verbally pose to him and wonder how he weighs in on them. Option C IS the option A! But for me, personally, in reality: I don't feel like I go that deep at all (certainly not in the far-future 5-10 year plan kind of sense). I'll throw a few related curve-ball tangents out there related to the present situation at hand, but always quickly (to me) come back to reality by staying on the main topic & main "point(s)" of conversation. The so-called "deep" part for me: others who know me would reserve that to my 'thinking' process, rather than my 'imagination'. In reality: quite often when others 'think' I'm in a state of 'deep thought', I may, for instance, actually just have a funny comment or silly commercial stuck in my head that I keep momentarily 'replaying' bc it keeps making me smile & I remembered how someone else unexpectedly went into rofl lmao mode in the background after someone else shared it with him/her.
I‘m an INFJ, and i had an INTJ flat mate, who believed himself to be the smartest person in the room. But he wasn’t. Considering the fact that he was so intelligent, he had neither a lot of money nor friends, but claimed to have chosen a life dedicated to books and knowledge. The fact that he looked for interpersonal troubles within the flat showed us that he had way too much time and was lonely. No one, who is fulfilled with his life, looks down upon others. I‘m not saying that all INTJs are like that. But the one i knew made this big mistake of believing that he was the smartest. Isn‘t that already very dumb?
Exactly!!! I was recently asked what quality I most valued in a person and I said depth. I am also so 'spaced out' that I have really poor spatial orientation: if it weren't for GPS in my car I would end up in South America before I noticed.
Great analysis this is an interesting and unique theory which I haven't heard before or thought about. It seems true that intuitives can often clash with other intuitives and think they are really stupid but this is because we both have our own set of deep beliefs and ideas. for example I am a generalist of ideas (intp) and my friend is an infj and he prefers to go deep on a specific subset of ideas and since these ideas disagree we can get into battles of ideas. It is excellent analysis to realize that intuitives clash because we care deeply about our ideas whereas sensors are less likely to care about ideas but will clash with other sensors over objectives and things which we intuitives don't care much about. There are times when intuitives and sensors will clash but these disagreements are often more superficial whereas clashes with other intuitives are often devastating and relationship ending. This is probably similar with sensor to sensor relationships.
tmstani23 i think this is why i have subsonciously dated sensors....fear of the devasting idealogical schism and also how Fe and Fi combines with that. But realizing that should be changed.
Tnstan23 Interesting opinion you have. Maybe it is: Sensors decide on what is. Intuitive’s are open to more coming down the line. So the clash is about decision making time. The Sensor can decide, the Intuitive is still open.
I have looked at so many videos, and you helped! I was confused after watching another video. Rather than showing a colorful picture to help the viewer distinguish between sensor and intuition, he just showed a dull cup forcing me to look at the details, but I did wonder what was inside the cup that I could not see.
I just realize that when you are in front of a sensor it could be a case of what you see is what you get but if you are facing an intuitive you could be a little more complicated.
As an intuitive, I find my parents to be too concrete and point out Se details in life or just tell me “hey look I can see this blah blah blah in front of me” cuz I don’t pay attention to the Se irl stuff so it annoys me when people use Se. Are you trying to tell me to pay attention to my surroundings when I’m walking? No I will not. I will always be staring at nothing, stuck inside my head.
Hi INFJ here.To answer your question my guess would be the level of depth of interests and values will be to the level of Thinking or Feeling either in their extraverted or introverted manifestation (so the percentage that a persons uses it as a function) and the place in their functional stack (like is it auxiliary or tertiary, etc). As a result Id tend to believe that an intuitive thinker is more likely to have deeper ideas that relate to interests, while an intuitive feeler might be more likely to have deeper ideas that relate to values. Maybe? Lol.
I think getting along with sensors is more a matter of functions than anything else. I share zero functions with an ESTJ and often am at odds with this type. On the other hand, I have often gotten along famously with ESTPs with whom, as an INFJ, I have the same functions but in a different order.
Something I’ve come to understand is your judging and perceiving functions in the same i/e orientation are kinda “paired” with one another. So as an INTP my dominant Ti is viewed (by me) through my tertiary Si. And because I prefer to use my Ti so much in daily life, that leads me to using Si a lot too because I have to perceive my own judgements through Si. This leads me to think that perhaps the Si function is stronger than the Ne function, because it may work more like (Ti + Si) dominant with (Ne + Fe) secondary cognitive pairings, instead of just individual functions in descending order. Anyone have any thoughts?
I happen to figure out possible questions that might be cominh and preparing to answer them. Then i end up not hearing the question and answerinh what i thought i was beinh asked. Yeah people find me weird for that cause they mostly sensors but they dont understand me
I can confirm, not all Fs and Ps are good listeners. I’m terrible at listening as an Infp, I just can’t concentrate and even more so if I know someone’s going all over with ‘concrete’ stuff.
I thought I could be a sensor until you mentioned the subjectiveness of intuition, and how one gets so attached to a certain idea and being able to "see" how everything connects to that one system or idea. That seems more Ni, but even with Ne, something similar is at play (I believe I use Ne). What do you mean by depth? How deep of what? How deep you explore a single idea and knowing that one idea as completely as possible, or how many associations you make on an idea and researching each of them to have a broad understanding implication of the original idea? How deep can you go? Singular atomic unit small? Something meaningful to self or to society at large? At first, I disagreed with your idea of N-S conflict being non-existent. Then I finished listening and it makes sense; it's almost like the repelling of N-N nodes or S-S nodes of a magnet. The same polarity causing friction, yet in the opposite N-S interaction, it's surprising to find that there wouldn't be some sort of an immediate attraction.
greYelABLE The person that uploaded the video actually uses Sensing over Intuition (which in turn makes him a Sensor), thus he cannot explain Intuition vs Sensing quite well (the conflicts). Most of what has been used is recycled information (referring the N vs S conflicts, that have actually been misinterpreted by the author of this video), recycled information that has not been comprehended by the person itself (author of the video). Thor tried to debunk "Intuitive tendencies" to be "not true at all", he spoke about certain Sensing traits and passed them for Intuitive. I can/could explain how and where the irregularities can be found.
I C U I'm curious as well to what irregularities you found. I heard Dario Nardi say the parts of the brain that are what they would consider associated with Intuition, light up in iNtuitive types. He then made an explicit point that Left handed Sensors also show activity in those regions.
Always having to explain insights that seem obvious to sensors is frustrating especially judger types especially if you're a feeler type and start doubting self
HELLO ERIK, WHEN I FIRST SEEK OUT 4 INFORMATION ON- WHAT IS ISFJ? SO, I WAS LISTENING 2 JOSEPH 'S VIDEO... WHAT I WAS HEARING- IT WAS ALL NEGATIVE! AND THEN, I WAS GOING OVER MY PERSONALITY/ CHARACTER... AND, IT WASN'T ADDING UP! WHAT JOSEPH WAS SAYING! SINCE, JOSEPH'S VIDEO... I BEGIN 2 SEARCH FOR MORE INFORMATION. I'M BEGINNING 2 HEAR SOME POSITIVE THINGS THAT CONCERNED T ISFJ PERSONALITY FROM OTHER SPEAKER- SUCH AS URSELF! ERIK, I'M NOT A NEGATIVE PERSON. NOR, SELFISH! I BELIEVE THAT I AM AN EMPATH... ERIK, ALL OF THIS IS NEW 2 ME AND, I DON'T WANT 2 B GULLIBLE!? CAN U HELP ME? THANK U, JUNIE
Oh this must be why I can never speak an aphorism correctly in speech. And I’m always so sure I know it but I butcher it up and just end up saying it a million different ways until someone else corrects me. But yeah, I can never remember specifics about anything I’ve learned or heard because I only remember my understanding of it and discarded all the useful pieces I actually need in order to explain myself if need be lol
What is reality btw? Sensors constructed their reality. We see reality the way we could. Everything is created from one single thing in our brain including our body and that thing also goes to emptiness.
I think MBTI is not translated accurately to functions. For example, ENFP and ENFJ both might have Ne and Fe. This is what it might measure, which means ENFP is not NeFi and ENFJ is not FeNi, they are NeTi and FeSi, in same quadra. But even this is not always the case. It needs new radical interpretations and you have some good ones...
The only fault I find in this is "imagination for imagination's sake." My intuition is firmly ground in reality. I can't get interested in sci-fi or fantasy, for example. I like art that is grounded in THIS world -- but art that is a playground for my iNtuition in the way that it has lots of tasty symbolism and plot integration, or is challenging because of the stuff it has left out, etc. I like *intention* in art, so I can glean meaning and wisdom from it.
I'm the same but I like fantasy & sci-fi. I like everything lol but I feel like most of my liking things based on reality was influenced by having mostly family of sensors. My father is an ISTP so he taught me about manual builds & enjoying life without boundaries. His gf an ESFP is very enthusiastic & doesn't like using her head too much but it's nice to not think too much with her as I could get existential. My sister an ISFP very influenced my mood to just say what I want to say. They ground me to reality although I do embrace my own self too so I have the best of both parallels. Makes endless possibilities of seeing life. The best way to go through life as an INFP would be mixing the reality & my imagination to get around systems to make some kind of magical life changing result. Edit: I also like art, I'm very a realistic artist based on concrete shapes & forms (too much of a perfectionalist at that) but funny since my favorite artist is Salvador dali
@@amandawolfe4097 No, I think it's Ni w/ Te and Se... Ti would be the function that cares about figuring out all the intricate workings, physics, and logic of another reality. I don't have time for that.
Pretty sure you just put your ISFP traits and passed them as Intuitive, how can you possibly think you are an intuitive person? also all Intuitives have one thing in common, they would never want to be like a sensor which you apparently want and apparently are.
That's not universally true. Granted, as an intuitive, I sometimes fear I may be a sensor, but browsing Reddit, I've heard people say all the time that they want to be more sensory.
If that's what an intuitive looks like, then I would rather be a sensor. He has a face only a mother could love and a brain only a father would praise.
Where does the hate come from? I do not see why people have issues with him. He's a nice guy and speaks nicely of all types. I can easily spot he's an INFJ. If anything, he's more towards an INFJ stereotype than a sensor for sure
Just shut up. If you feel like resorting to idiotic statements like this, than you clearly are very immature, so you insult his physical appearance and his intelligence just to make yourself feel better, right. It's quite common, all bullies share it. I know this wa And for the record, every intuitive I know, not including myself, has an amazing imagination. Albert Einstein and Abe Lincoln were INTPs. Shakespeare was an INFP, Martin Luther King Jr. was an INFJ. Without intuitives, the world would be stagnant, just a baron, ideological wasteland with no free thought. On the flip side, a world of only intuitives would be a world of pure abstraction, no awareness. Both are vital.
Let's get realistic for a moment here, you do not really know what Intelligence truly means (search it up if you want to really know the meaning of said word, instead of using it in vain without even knowing what it stands for). Also your metaphors are horrible, it gave me few headaches. (If you don't know how to use metaphors, don't use them, it's as simple as that). It's shameful when you use “we”, “us”, as If I thought like you, which makes me think you are an ignorant human being. I don't clash with Intuitives since we do seem to think alike in most areas, else they wouldn't be intuitive. It may seem that I have just contradicted myself but that's not the case, I sincerely mean you are not an intuitive, thus we cannot think alike.
It's frustrating because it seems intuitives are - in general - more interested in seeing how sensors see the world, but not the other way around. For example, I've spent most of my life trying to figure out how others see the world and why things have felt 'off,' but I don't meet a lot of sensors who are trying to do the same -- they may wonder why I seem weird but leave it at that, with no investigation. (I can't judge them for it, because what would motivate them to do this? They don't experience the same conflict in social situations I don't think.)
For sure. I agree this tends to be true. I know one sensor who is absolutely fascinated with intuitive type people, very curious. But that is one out of how many? An amount I can't name.
And yes, I think some of that interest we have is in part bc we are sort of forced to figure out their world to some extent bc of norms. They dominate society and don't really have a motivation from that pov.
However I will say that there is this to consider as well: I think mbti/Jungian spaces can be hostile toward sensors. And do feel that kind of arrogance emanating from these spaces. I mean even the testing is biased and basically says "if you like to think about stuff you are intuitive and if you are a sensor you can't be deep, you are prob less smart, etc"
when 2 intuitives share an opinion, boy will they be "connected"
I love being around other intuitives. Especially feeling types. It seems as if there is a natural connection between them and me that I never have with sensing types. I am an INFP and some of my best friends are INFJs, ENFPS and ENFJs.
@@Petig2002 I also really like entps and intps as an infp
@@dianana7371 These are really interesting people, but many of them are too bold and direct for me lol.
@@Petig2002 haha that's what I like about them
"Sometimes an intuitive forms their own idea about what is being said; not what's said, actually, but what they thought when they heard it" - that's a truly brilliant description of how my mind (and many other minds, obviously) works. I love your analysis, it's very enlightening.
It's also kinda funny, that we do that, haha.
I've accused my husband of this many times! lol
Infp here! Spot-on. I go deep, very deep compared to most i've found.
ノックスパー Infp here too ^^
can you elaborate in which kind of things you tend or like to go deep? it's interesting to hear. I'm an INTP and curious if different types go deeper more in a simular direction or more a in a different one
As an intuitive married to a sensor, I can attest to the truthfulness and validity of all that you said! This is where we “miss” each other the most.
Also intuitive married to sensor. Only wish I knew about mbti before I met her. Maybe just be friends instead of the road we went. Now love is in the way of walking away.
Hm, i‘m not married yet, just been 3 years with my sensor boyfriend. Somehow this is exactly why i chose him. I‘m very self-reliant and happy with myself, but when i got to know him, i instinctively knew that he had something that i could never learn for myself, he was a missing piece.
I profit highly from his groundedness. I just have no idea what he can gain from my intuitiveness. It‘s quite useless in the real world. 😅
He was a bit shocked when he found out over time that my aloofness wasn’t a phase of stress at work, but a personality trait that he has to cope with now. 😂
😒😒@@deadmanwalking1930
I don't see why we can't accept the strengths (and weaknesses) of each type,because if an intuitive type pretends to not see things that sensors tend to miss,then they are full of shit. Likewise,if an intuitive type doesn't realize that they tend to sometimes miss what is right in front of them,because their focus is elsewhere (looking for the not so obvious meaning behind what is thought to be "known" reality". Often reality isn't what it seems and the five senses are easily fooled. All intuitive types are cocky when it comes to their intuition.I see it with every intuitive type. Sensors have their own cockiness and often think intuitive types are out to lunch (and they can be),because they don't realize what they can see. I think all types are cocky with their dominant strengths.
Brilliant analogies. Love the S vs the N : "Nice to meet you - yeah nice to meet you - and then go their separate ways". Your expression summed it all up lol. I secretly envy the sensor types (perhaps envy is too strong a word). They tend to ground me a lot. We'll both witness something and when I speak to them afterwards, they recount a detective-like run down of what happened VERBATIM. Its like those people who go: "and then he said, and then she said' and that's it lol
I find this to be the disconnect between my best friend and me. They're a sensor and I'm an intuitive, and when we talk for a long time they tend to want to pull the conversation towards the real while I keep pulling towards the imaginary. 😂
As an INTP i will search for option D
Even if it doesn't exist just like i found E
Excellently covered and humbling.
So to say all my friends are intuitives (and I am one myself), and we can often have deep conversations, but simultanously stare randomly into the air and appear somewhat absent. Eye contact etc. just isn't that important to us, sort of.
Agree about eye contact
In an INFP with very intense eye contact :/
I have watched this video and shared it many times. These ideas are so well-spoken. Thank you for your contributions to the field!
Great video Erik. I liked your examples, and how you got into character.
You're right about Option C (and A). I've often wondered at my ability to miss what's bleedin' obvious (and go all round the house to reinvent it)!
really really wow and insightful. like you're reading my mind
Woahhh. Haven't finished your vid yet (still up tp 1:39) but I just can't help but say - I'm simply amazed at the simplicity and precision of your description of what Ns see (option C to D, then seeing B and A as a means to see D). A for Accuracy!
So after the vid: the other points are definitely interesting, but I can't help but feel that the conflict between Ns and Ss are... tuned down. And it isn't just from my experience but what I hear from others and what I read over the comments from Ns- there's a great/frequent conflict in interpersonal interactions between the two types because (okay, might be going biased but here I go) Ss tend to look at an N's presentation at face value and conclude it at that, when in fact, it shouldn't be taken at face value at all. And it would take a lot, and I mean a lot of effort from you for them (the ones I had been in close encounter with, at least) to realize that that's not what you mean at all. There rarely is a benefit of the doubt, rarely would they think of alternatives, that they may be judging too early, (or at least for SJs I know, I suppose), and this just feels way too narrowing.
0:44 Excellent analogy! This was a great word picture of intuition...
Hi Erik. Thank you for your video. This is great, I love your very clear explanation of sensing and intuition. And also your take on the 'clash' between them I find very interesting and could be very helpful for sensors and intuitives to create more harmony together. :-)
spot on. damn! Impressions only apply and I hear what I want to hear. I tune out quickly if I am bored or if the topic is boring. I tune out then start thinking about the rammifications of the info. 100% N, ENFP here
Its funny. Someone might have varying concepts of 'depth' but their rating of their own self depth might also be subjective. None of us are capable of figuring out how "deep' each other goes. But we can measure how one views the self. as deep or not.
Thank you for this explanation
S- Nice to meet you.
N- Nice to meet you too.
Lol XD
Oh...those simpletons 😂
Great work Eric✅🤩🏆😀👌
I'm an entp, with a istj teacher is spend a third of the day with :/ that si vs ne is so real.
As a teacher, I tend not to give details (S), I give the big picture. I think this has some problems for my S students
@@PowerRedBullTypology Me too~ an Ni user
I am the only intuitive in family of sensors.. its honestly suffocating that they donot consider future as much as i do or see everything the way i see
Aside from functional differences, intuitives get a lot of disapproval from sensors in regard to how intuitives look, talk, and move; as well as their decisions to socialize or not socialize, and the activities they choose to do. In other words, intuitives get a lot of disapproval from sensors in regard to their "personalities". Eventually, being treated like an outcast and like they are worth less than sensors makes intuitives disdainful toward sensors. You say that intuitives are not "higher beings" than sensors; but our whole lives, we have been treated like we are "lesser beings" because we're not into the social games that sensors use to assess value. We're treated like we're lesser being for not caring what our asses look like in these jeans, or what so-and-so said to so-and-so. When in fact we have other interests -- and abilities -- that most sensors don't have. So you know, I'm okay, for once, saying that I'm a "higher being" than a lot of these people -- if for no other reason than to say fuck you for all the years I was treated like like a "lesser" one.
Hear ! Hear! 😄
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Very interesting!!
My boss likes to joke about how I (from his perspective) rarely seem to "see things" that are "right in front" of my face, and then add, "so how in the h*ll do you always seem to be able to find all these little things way the heck over here, here, & here?" (and I pictured the vividly forceful arm-hand gestures reaching out, quick-flicking his hand in the 'here' direction he's pointing at, & grabbing the air in that direction) He means it in the literal Sensing "I thought these glasses you're wearing were supposed to help you with that", as well as the figurative sense of intuitively gravitating towards what he "sees" as being the far-reaching tangents I like to internally weigh out and verbally pose to him and wonder how he weighs in on them.
Option C IS the option A!
But for me, personally, in reality: I don't feel like I go that deep at all (certainly not in the far-future 5-10 year plan kind of sense). I'll throw a few related curve-ball tangents out there related to the present situation at hand, but always quickly (to me) come back to reality by staying on the main topic & main "point(s)" of conversation. The so-called "deep" part for me: others who know me would reserve that to my 'thinking' process, rather than my 'imagination'.
In reality: quite often when others 'think' I'm in a state of 'deep thought', I may, for instance, actually just have a funny comment or silly commercial stuck in my head that I keep momentarily 'replaying' bc it keeps making me smile & I remembered how someone else unexpectedly went into rofl lmao mode in the background after someone else shared it with him/her.
Sensors and Intuitives WILL have conflict when they are working together.
Mostly conflict about process not results I notice
I’m an INTJ and I hate sensors and your first statement was actually exactly how I feel. I do look down upon them and I am sorry about that but I do.
I‘m an INFJ, and i had an INTJ flat mate, who believed himself to be the smartest person in the room. But he wasn’t. Considering the fact that he was so intelligent, he had neither a lot of money nor friends, but claimed to have chosen a life dedicated to books and knowledge. The fact that he looked for interpersonal troubles within the flat showed us that he had way too much time and was lonely.
No one, who is fulfilled with his life, looks down upon others.
I‘m not saying that all INTJs are like that. But the one i knew made this big mistake of believing that he was the smartest. Isn‘t that already very dumb?
This was great. Really insightful. Thanks.
Exactly!!! I was recently asked what quality I most valued in a person and I said depth. I am also so 'spaced out' that I have really poor spatial orientation: if it weren't for GPS in my car I would end up in South America before I noticed.
I also see a discrepancy that people often confuse with sensing and intelligence more often than not. Which can be frustrating as an intuitive
Glad another agrees. Exactly why I am here... trying to be patient and find advice.
Great analysis this is an interesting and unique theory which I haven't heard before or thought about. It seems true that intuitives can often clash with other intuitives and think they are really stupid but this is because we both have our own set of deep beliefs and ideas. for example I am a generalist of ideas (intp) and my friend is an infj and he prefers to go deep on a specific subset of ideas and since these ideas disagree we can get into battles of ideas. It is excellent analysis to realize that intuitives clash because we care deeply about our ideas whereas sensors are less likely to care about ideas but will clash with other sensors over objectives and things which we intuitives don't care much about. There are times when intuitives and sensors will clash but these disagreements are often more superficial whereas clashes with other intuitives are often devastating and relationship ending. This is probably similar with sensor to sensor relationships.
tmstani23 i think this is why i have subsonciously dated sensors....fear of the devasting idealogical schism and also how Fe and Fi combines with that. But realizing that should be changed.
Tnstan23 Interesting opinion you have.
Maybe it is: Sensors decide on what is. Intuitive’s are open to more coming down the line. So the clash is about decision making time. The Sensor can decide, the Intuitive is still open.
I have looked at so many videos, and you helped! I was confused after watching another video. Rather than showing a colorful picture to help the viewer distinguish between sensor and intuition, he just showed a dull cup forcing me to look at the details, but I did wonder what was inside the cup that I could not see.
huh thats weird :P
I tend to notice people look like some type of animal. Is that intuitive or sensor? Or just weird? Lol.
Off with the fairies!
I just realize that when you are in front of a sensor it could be a case of what you see is what you get but if you are facing an intuitive you could be a little more complicated.
no conflict...tell that to the intuitive growing up with sensor parents who want them to be more like them...
My parents are driving me insane -intj with sensor family members
As an intuitive, I find my parents to be too concrete and point out Se details in life or just tell me “hey look I can see this blah blah blah in front of me” cuz I don’t pay attention to the Se irl stuff so it annoys me when people use Se. Are you trying to tell me to pay attention to my surroundings when I’m walking? No I will not. I will always be staring at nothing, stuck inside my head.
they you express it is very abstract and spot on. are you intuitive yourself?
Only five senses? What happened to all the others?
ANyhow, great talk, very informative. Thank you!
Hi INFJ here.To answer your question my guess would be the level of depth of interests and values will be to the level of Thinking or Feeling either in their extraverted or introverted manifestation (so the percentage that a persons uses it as a function) and the place in their functional stack (like is it auxiliary or tertiary, etc). As a result Id tend to believe that an intuitive thinker is more likely to have deeper ideas that relate to interests, while an intuitive feeler might be more likely to have deeper ideas that relate to values. Maybe? Lol.
Love u all who r solving the INFP puzzle which is the most difficult thing! While i was young i used to think i was an angel!
2:12 So true.
I think getting along with sensors is more a matter of functions than anything else. I share zero functions with an ESTJ and often am at odds with this type. On the other hand, I have often gotten along famously with ESTPs with whom, as an INFJ, I have the same functions but in a different order.
Its like...into the Abyss type depth... Few dare to go there. Lol
Something I’ve come to understand is your judging and perceiving functions in the same i/e orientation are kinda “paired” with one another. So as an INTP my dominant Ti is viewed (by me) through my tertiary Si. And because I prefer to use my Ti so much in daily life, that leads me to using Si a lot too because I have to perceive my own judgements through Si. This leads me to think that perhaps the Si function is stronger than the Ne function, because it may work more like (Ti + Si) dominant with (Ne + Fe) secondary cognitive pairings, instead of just individual functions in descending order. Anyone have any thoughts?
You should repost this on main comments page, not as a reply, it is worth that
INFP and really, really struggle with sensors, also high Fe and Se types too.
You struggle with ENFJs?
I happen to figure out possible questions that might be cominh and preparing to answer them. Then i end up not hearing the question and answerinh what i thought i was beinh asked. Yeah people find me weird for that cause they mostly sensors but they dont understand me
6:16 Yep.
I can confirm, not all Fs and Ps are good listeners. I’m terrible at listening as an Infp, I just can’t concentrate and even more so if I know someone’s going all over with ‘concrete’ stuff.
Intj: beats you in a debate
Isfp: beats ur ass in real life.
I think that sums it up.
I thought I could be a sensor until you mentioned the subjectiveness of intuition, and how one gets so attached to a certain idea and being able to "see" how everything connects to that one system or idea. That seems more Ni, but even with Ne, something similar is at play (I believe I use Ne).
What do you mean by depth? How deep of what? How deep you explore a single idea and knowing that one idea as completely as possible, or how many associations you make on an idea and researching each of them to have a broad understanding implication of the original idea? How deep can you go? Singular atomic unit small? Something meaningful to self or to society at large?
At first, I disagreed with your idea of N-S conflict being non-existent. Then I finished listening and it makes sense; it's almost like the repelling of N-N nodes or S-S nodes of a magnet. The same polarity causing friction, yet in the opposite N-S interaction, it's surprising to find that there wouldn't be some sort of an immediate attraction.
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The person that uploaded the video actually uses Sensing over Intuition (which in turn makes him a Sensor), thus he cannot explain Intuition vs Sensing quite well (the conflicts).
Most of what has been used is recycled information (referring the N vs S conflicts, that have actually been misinterpreted by the author of this video), recycled information that has not been comprehended by the person itself (author of the video).
Thor tried to debunk "Intuitive tendencies" to be "not true at all", he spoke about certain Sensing traits and passed them for Intuitive.
I can/could explain how and where the irregularities can be found.
@@icu659 but...will you?
I C U
I'm curious as well to what irregularities you found.
I heard Dario Nardi say the parts of the brain that are what they would consider associated with Intuition, light up in iNtuitive types. He then made an explicit point that Left handed Sensors also show activity in those regions.
Always having to explain insights that seem obvious to sensors is frustrating especially judger types especially if you're a feeler type and start doubting self
HELLO ERIK,
WHEN I FIRST SEEK OUT 4 INFORMATION ON- WHAT IS ISFJ?
SO, I WAS LISTENING 2 JOSEPH 'S VIDEO...
WHAT I WAS HEARING- IT WAS ALL NEGATIVE!
AND THEN,
I WAS GOING OVER MY PERSONALITY/
CHARACTER...
AND,
IT WASN'T ADDING UP! WHAT JOSEPH
WAS SAYING!
SINCE, JOSEPH'S
VIDEO... I BEGIN 2
SEARCH FOR MORE
INFORMATION.
I'M BEGINNING 2
HEAR SOME
POSITIVE THINGS THAT CONCERNED
T ISFJ PERSONALITY FROM OTHER SPEAKER- SUCH AS
URSELF!
ERIK, I'M NOT A NEGATIVE PERSON.
NOR, SELFISH!
I BELIEVE THAT I AM AN EMPATH...
ERIK, ALL OF THIS IS NEW 2 ME AND, I DON'T WANT 2 B
GULLIBLE!?
CAN U HELP ME?
THANK U, JUNIE
Oh this must be why I can never speak an aphorism correctly in speech. And I’m always so sure I know it but I butcher it up and just end up saying it a million different ways until someone else corrects me. But yeah, I can never remember specifics about anything I’ve learned or heard because I only remember my understanding of it and discarded all the useful pieces I actually need in order to explain myself if need be lol
My brothers = sensors. Me = intuitive. Yikes!! We hardly ever see eye to eye. They just won’t listen to me lol.
There is no spoon.
😄 haha too true!!
What is reality btw? Sensors constructed their reality. We see reality the way we could. Everything is created from one single thing in our brain including our body and that thing also goes to emptiness.
6:33 Charlie Brown was an intuitive. Wha wha wha... ;)
lol good video
I think MBTI is not translated accurately to functions. For example, ENFP and ENFJ both might have Ne and Fe. This is what it might measure, which means ENFP is not NeFi and ENFJ is not FeNi, they are NeTi and FeSi, in same quadra. But even this is not always the case. It needs new radical interpretations and you have some good ones...
can you explain more about your theory?
I hate this intuitive elitism... there's a bunch of them. I'm an intuitive myself, so it's not that I'm a frustrated sensor.
The only fault I find in this is "imagination for imagination's sake." My intuition is firmly ground in reality. I can't get interested in sci-fi or fantasy, for example. I like art that is grounded in THIS world -- but art that is a playground for my iNtuition in the way that it has lots of tasty symbolism and plot integration, or is challenging because of the stuff it has left out, etc. I like *intention* in art, so I can glean meaning and wisdom from it.
I'm the same but I like fantasy & sci-fi. I like everything lol but I feel like most of my liking things based on reality was influenced by having mostly family of sensors. My father is an ISTP so he taught me about manual builds & enjoying life without boundaries. His gf an ESFP is very enthusiastic & doesn't like using her head too much but it's nice to not think too much with her as I could get existential. My sister an ISFP very influenced my mood to just say what I want to say. They ground me to reality although I do embrace my own self too so I have the best of both parallels. Makes endless possibilities of seeing life. The best way to go through life as an INFP would be mixing the reality & my imagination to get around systems to make some kind of magical life changing result.
Edit: I also like art, I'm very a realistic artist based on concrete shapes & forms (too much of a perfectionalist at that) but funny since my favorite artist is Salvador dali
@@amandawolfe4097 No, I think it's Ni w/ Te and Se... Ti would be the function that cares about figuring out all the intricate workings, physics, and logic of another reality. I don't have time for that.
You are wrong im actually the god looking at basturd sensors
in short, intuitives have tendencies to be selfish
Pretty sure you just put your ISFP traits and passed them as Intuitive, how can you possibly think you are an intuitive person? also all Intuitives have one thing in common, they would never want to be like a sensor which you apparently want and apparently are.
LOL
That's not universally true. Granted, as an intuitive, I sometimes fear I may be a sensor, but browsing Reddit, I've heard people say all the time that they want to be more sensory.
If that's what an intuitive looks like, then I would rather be a sensor.
He has a face only a mother could love and a brain only a father would praise.
Where does the hate come from? I do not see why people have issues with him. He's a nice guy and speaks nicely of all types. I can easily spot he's an INFJ. If anything, he's more towards an INFJ stereotype than a sensor for sure
Just shut up. If you feel like resorting to idiotic statements like this, than you clearly are very immature, so you insult his physical appearance and his intelligence just to make yourself feel better, right. It's quite common, all bullies share it. I know this wa
And for the record, every intuitive I know, not including myself, has an amazing imagination. Albert Einstein and Abe Lincoln were INTPs. Shakespeare was an INFP, Martin Luther King Jr. was an INFJ. Without intuitives, the world would be stagnant, just a baron, ideological wasteland with no free thought. On the flip side, a world of only intuitives would be a world of pure abstraction, no awareness. Both are vital.
Sensors are stupid. Period. Get offended.
Let's get realistic for a moment here, you do not really know what Intelligence truly means (search it up if you want to really know the meaning of said word, instead of using it in vain without even knowing what it stands for).
Also your metaphors are horrible, it gave me few headaches.
(If you don't know how to use metaphors, don't use them, it's as simple as that).
It's shameful when you use “we”, “us”, as If I thought like you, which makes me think you are an ignorant human being.
I don't clash with Intuitives since we do seem to think alike in most areas, else they wouldn't be intuitive.
It may seem that I have just contradicted myself but that's not the case, I sincerely mean you are not an intuitive, thus we cannot think alike.