Savage model 1899 in 22 Savage Hi Power
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- A brief video showcasing the Savage 1893 take-down rifle I purchased recently. This rifle is chambered in 22 Savage Hi Power, an obsolete yet useful cartridge originally created by Charles Newton in 1915.
Some might view the 22 Savage Hi Power as a "useless cartridge", too large for small game and too light for larger species, I beg to differ.
I believe these Savage lever rifles, the model '99 and 1893, will appreciate in value significantly in the coming decade and beyond.
Check out these videos, one by USOG on collecting Savage model 99 rifles • The Art of Gun Collect... and Savage Levers • Savage 99 / 1899 / 189... , this creator has printed a book on the topic which I ordered this week.
If you’re having accuracy issues with a ‘99, try a shim(I use layers of electrical tape) about 1 1/2 “ back from the tip of the forearm, between the forearm and the barrel. That has helped dramatically with a couple of my ‘99’s.
Thank you Tyler, great advice for these takedown models.
Nice rifle, western Canadain here, also have a savage 1914 22hp take down, when I picked it up in the 1980s it had been extensively used, barrel rifling was minimal and pitted bad, after a period of time trying to make it shoot, I sent the barrel away and had it bored and chambered to 25-35 Akley imp. Ballistics on par with the 250 savage, 37 years later it still go's out hunting and shooting, making ammunition from 30-30 cases is a labour of love but well worth the effort.
Unfortunately, many of the early Savage 1899 rifles had significant, if not terminal, barrel corrosion - probably due to corrosive primers and cordite powder use. By the late 1920s, corrosive primers were no longer in use but the damage had already been done to these rifles. The 25-35 Ackley Improved is a great choice for your '99, I have considered re-barreling a later model Winchester 94 in that caliber. If you could find new unprimed 25-35 brass for your rifle, that would help with your case forming chores. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@@markcarew6724 Agreed with the corrosive primers and powder, I do have some new 25-35 cases left over from long ago, but would loose 2 out of 5 fire forming even after annealing , so I stopped waisting them, I find 30-30 cases from Federal, Norma and Starline have very simular same water capacity and thicker brass giving good strong conversion case.
Brass cases manufactured after 1960 have a higher copper content than brass alloys made before WW2, making these later cartridges much easier to fireform in your chamber. I use 25-35 WCF unprimed brass to form cases for the 219 Improved Zipper, 219 Donaldson Wasp and 357 Herrett ammunition with great success. Early manufactured 25-35 brass is extremely difficult to fireform without many failed cases - no problem with later made cartridges. The change in alloy content was to allow for cartridges to take a glossy polish which then was sprayed with a very thin coat of lacquer, this change made the cases much more ductible than earlier alloys of brass. Thank you again for watching and leaving a comment!
I have the same rifle... In British Columbia 🇨🇦
That will look amazing with a colored case finish. Around the North East US. I have seen early originals in the 3,000.00 US. About a month ago at the Syracuse gun show there was a vendor who had a few early delux ones with beautiful wood and engraving and rear peep sights and he was asking 7500-10,000. The mid range years as deer hunters are around 700- 1500 in my area. You provide very good information regarding these old guns. I always look forward to your videos.
Thank you, Toadley! This rifle has a good bore and the action is tight with smooth transition from open to closed, the serial # indicates an early manufacture date with respect to 22 Savage Hi Power rifles. As you noted in your above comment, the addition of a period correct peep sight, along with proposed case colours and general removal of little rust spots, this will be a valuable rifle. I expect a reasonable valuation is in the $5000 range, which is amazing upside for a gun which I paid $400 last week! These Savage 1899/1893 rifles are dirt cheap in Ontario with very little interest from local hunters - most young hunters want the latest black rifle for their gun cabinet. I believe a focused collector/buyer could make a cottage industry buying up these desirable Savage rifles, do a little clean up and restore, then find buyers in the USA. God knows there is no reason to believe the shooting community will exist in Canada at all in the next ten years. One might as well find a way to save these firearms from RCMP confiscation by finding them new homes in the USA while picking up a few dollars doing it. Thank you again for watching and your kind comment(s).
Excellent review, Mark! You were the first person I thought of when I heard about the new gun laws. Stay frosty my friend!
Thank you, Ghost Rider, I'm certainly happy you enjoyed the video. I have a new video coming out in a few minutes regarding the new proposed legislation and how lawmakers in America are planning similar moves. I am trying to stay frosty, given the circumstances, but will take your advise to heart.
Oh man that CIL cartridge case box is so nostalgic. Awesome!!!!
I have some old CIL primers from that era as well as the sabre tip bullets they used to make - polymer tipped bullets over a decade before Nosler had their ballistic tip.
I have a 99 in 243 win from the 60s (I think)
Greetings from Saskatchewan.
Sabre Tip, now that's a brand I haven't heard in many years! You can check your Savage 99's serial number for manufacturing date here savagelevers.com/serial-number-search/ Thank you for watching and leaving a comment. Greetings from Ontario
People need to mind their own business as far as what we do with our firearms.
My Savage 99 is from 1954 and chambered in 300 Savage.
I had it tapped for a scope and added a padded butt pad to it.
This causes some folks to cringe but I like the rifle set up this way.
It was my Grandfathers rifle and will be handed sown to my Son when I'm gone.
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment. You are quite correct, Dale, it's not like our individual firearms in question were owned by Thomas Jefferson or Winston Churchill. Our firearms were built in a mass production facility for use as working firearms, not museum pieces. I received considerable grief at a local gun club because I dared to customize a pre-64 model 70 Winchester. This rifle was severely abused prior to when it was purchased. I merely restocked and rechambered the rifle to 6.5x 284 Norma. One would think from the comments I received at the club that I disfigured a Group of Seven painting.
Very nice video, and thanks for plugging my video and my book! I hope you enjoy it. :-)
I can help with a couple of data points.. your rifle is a model 99G made sometime between late 1921 to 1927 (based on the integral front sight base). That model is unique for that time in that is has pistol grip, checkering, and is a takedown. It was the deluxe model for the time, and 99G's in 22HP are pretty darned uncommon. So nice snag. The receiver and lever looks to be nickel plated, so you might ask your gunsmith about whether that will be a problem for case coloring it. I have a couple aftermarket case colored 99's, and I do like how they look. That one's kind of cool as it is.
The 1893 barrel stamp is the first Arthur Savage patent for these guns and is confusing when trying to figure out the model. There were a couple of 1893 prototypes, but the first production model was the Model 1895.
Oh.. and that Savage Arms Company ammo box will date to between 1912 and 1917 - it's probably a pretty collectible box. After WWI Savage switched from being Savage Arms Company to Savage Arms Corporation.
Wow! Great comment, thank you for watching this crude video! In the early part of the 20th century, the Eaton's Company, a bricks and mortar retailer with a large mail order catalogue business in Canada sold lots and lots of Savage 99s. I believe Eaton's had the exclusive distribution rights for the Savage 99 rifles until at least 1928, although, I cannot confirm this belief yet. Tragically, Eaton's Company no longer exists, having gone into receivership in 1999. These Savage model 99s are not worth much in Ontario at the moment as many younger shooters want black rifles in 223 or 6.5 Creedmoor. Also, most wildlife management areas in Ontario do not allow the use of rifles for deer hunting - only bows and muzzle loaders. Disturbingly, many younger shooters I see at the three club ranges I frequent, know very little about any rifles outside of the black rifle community one sees in most of the modern shooting publications today. I examined this rifle more carefully after having read your comment this evening and I believe you are correct with your assessment of nickel plating on the receiver. This will make case colour treatment impossible, I expect - oh, well . . . Thank you so very much for the information on the cartridge box and clarifying the description of my new rifle. All the very best - MJC
@@markcarew6724, I'm not sure if Eaton's had exclusive rights to Canada, but I do know that I've seen a LOT of entries for "T. Eaton & Co." on ledger pages that fellow Savage collectors have allowed me to view. And from the sounds of your gov't, those young guys might need to give up the black rifles and start looking at other choices. Good luck up there!
I don't think Eaton's had exclusive rights to these rifles either, merely priced low enough to dissuade other retailers from carrying the product. Timothy Eaton's retail outlets dominated the market, especially in rural Canada, for close to 75 years. Trivia notice: T Eaton married a local girl, Flora McCrae, who then had several land marks built in her family's honour. They were married at the Methodist church in Omemee, just a few miles from here - a long way from the glamor and posh surroundings of Toronto. The latest firearm laws announced on Monday for Canadians will effectively end organized shooting sports within a decade. What the mainstream media isn't telling the rest of the world and the majority of Canadians is that this legislation grossly effects all gun owners.
@@markcarew6724, your gov't already had practically all the 32ACP Savage handguns up there destroyed years ago. This new law will destroy the 380's as well. Because I'm sure a lot of crimes are committed with 95+ year old collectible handguns. Sigh..
We're fighting the encroachment here as well.
Yes, it's bleak here in Canada for all firearm owners - however, if you are a criminal, it's business as usual.
thanks for the video I love my 99's. my 22HP is dated to 1912. I haven't had the chance to fire it yet but soon
Thank you for watching the video, Marc. I have learned a few things about this rifle since recording the video, it came from the factory nickel plated and was manufactured in 1920. I slugged the barrel and found it to be .226", I loaded 20 Sierra 63 grain .224" soft points which worked surprisingly well. I plan to do some more load development as a result, possibly with 62 grain Trophy Bonded bullets. Your rifle would be among the very first built in 22 Savage Hi Power, indicated by the date of manufacture.
Yes and I only live and hour from Utica where the factory and gun was assembled. I just started collecting and I like the old ones myself. My oldest is a 303 octagon barrel dated 1904.
You probably live quite close to Vernon National, where Toadley Browne films some of his video content. I have become more interested in Savage model 95/99 rifles in the past year, USOG has some content on the topic, www.yout ube.com/watch?v=NXB0jcDDoIc&t=198s and here, czcams.com/video/8NngqwcfJ3o/video.html I intend to purchase an older Savage 99 in 303 Savage, like yours, at the next Switzer's auction in October.
If you move that box ONE MORE TIME, I,M OUTTA HERE! Lol
You're quite correct, I moved the box too many times. Thank you for watching and leaving a clever comment.
Kinda like a rimmed 5.56 pretty neat 👌
Yes, similar to the 5.56x45 but a little more powerful. Thank you for watching and leaving a comment.
I have 1912 22hp. Impulse buy that I've never regretted.
I believe you made a wise decision at the time; thanks for watching.
Sellier&Bellot have started producing 22hp ammunition and is available here in Canada, I recently purchased some from a gun shop in Halifax.
Thank you for the information - I greatly appreciate the tip!
I have bought some of the seller ballot ammo for my 22HP 5.6 x 52R. Have put over40 rounds through my rifle with good results, had to test it.
Got hooked on Savages 99's when I inherited my great grandfather's 1899 in 303sav, which he purchased new in 1909.
A 22hp is on my collection list, it's interesting that they seem to be not very accurate shooter's.
My 250-3000 is extremely accurate with factory loads but lights out with 87gr handloads.
This Savage rifle in 22 Savage High Power is reasonably accurate, although no varmint gun. I have shot only handloads through this firearm, it seems to give consistent results in the 1 1/2 MOA size groups. I had no problem hitting a 12" steel plate at 300 yards every shot while shooting from the standing position. I hope to get a 303 Savage 99 Takedown rifle for my growing collection. Thank you for watching the video.
@@markcarew6724 I also have a collection of the Savage model 1920's, the owner of my local gun store had one come in and he put it away especially for me.
He knows me too well, that I'm into rare and interesting Savages.. and we'll down the rabbit hole I went.
It took me 4 years of searching just to find the correct marbles S20 reciever sight for one of my rifles that was drilled & tapped for.
I do have a few mint ones in the collection but I really perfure to find examples off.. similar to what you and Mike of USOG find and show on your channels, ones that can tell stories and have history or as the young kids say these days, just plain cool..ha ha ha
Cheers from a fellow 🇨🇦
I have 23 savage 99 in many different calibers 22 hi power is a fantastic coyote and whitetails I hunt south Ga my favorite is 250 3000 most of my handloads are very accurate I use hornady bullets in the calibers I have 2 300 savage 165gr 150 gr keep the volicity up then 243 &308 are later guns some are never fired in the box with receipts always looking took 40 years to collect them
I am gravely envious of your collection of Savage model 1899s. Thank you for watching a leaving a great personal comment.
I love the Model 99. My long time favorite hunting rifle.
The .22 Savage High Power was one of Charles Newton's inventions...not nearly as well received as the .250-3000 (.250 Savage) or the .300 Savage.
WHY he chose the .228" diameter bullet...🤷♂
BTW, Winchester nearly duplicated the .22 Savage High Power with the .219 Zipper. Basically the same except for a .224" bullet. It was chambered in the Model 94. It was never very popular either.
The cartridges were not considered powerful enough for deer hunting and the rifles were not considered accurate enough for varmint hunting. Though, FWIW, Newton intended it for deer hunting with the 70 gr. bullet. The idea just didn't sell well at the time.
You have a very nice rifle there...enjoy it.
Thank you for watching Gary K, you're very well versed in the history of these related cartridges! I have deer hunted with the 22 Savage Hi Power and found it to be effective at closer ranges, although, it is low on the list of potentially suitable cartridges for deer. The biggest trophy deer ever scored in North America was killed with a much weaker cartridge - the 25-20 WCF! I believe that deer in question was harvested during the early 1950s in Wisconsin.
I don't believe the 22 caliber bore was standardized at .224" in 1912 and wasn't standardized until at least 1936. Many early 22 caliber cartridges varied considerably in bore diameter during the first decades of the 20th century, Arthur Savage and Charles Newton may have been attempting to make a standard bore with the 22 Savage Hi Power.
In Europe, the 22 Savage Hi Power is still quite popular but known as the 5.6x52R and is used in drillings for Red Deer and running boar hunting. Incidentally, I have reloaded ammunition for the 22 Savage Hi Power, using .224" bullets with no loss in accuracy or functionality. All the very best - MJC.
@@markcarew6724 I grew up in central Texas and killed a lot of deer, including one with a .22 Hornet from a Savage 340 rifle which served as a truck gun.
Not to recommend the .22 Hornet as a "deer rifle" but it certainly can kill deer, as I am sure the .22 Savage High Power can.
If I had a .22 Savage High Power, I would probably load it with cast bullets (I use cast bullets for most of my shooting). I am sure you could also find a way to "bump up" jacketed .224" bullets.🤷♂
I never tried that but I have swaged down .358" bullets to shoot in my .348 WCF chambered Model 71s. I have heard of it being done.
If you are getting acceptable accuracy with .224" bullets, though, no need.
I have a Savage model 340 in 25-20 WCF, its a great plinking rifle. I have a friend who does quite a lot of bullet casting, he has cast 100 .228" diameter bullets with gas checks for me. I haven't tried them yet because the .224" bullets work so surprising well. He also cast .381" diameter bullets for my 38-72 WCF, which have worked quite well.
My maternal grandmother hunted deer with a 22 Hornet and had considerable success, she said shot placement was most critical, more so than more powerful cartridges - obviously.
The Winchester model 71 is an awesome rifle and the 348 Winchester cartridge is very powerful. Thankfully, you have been able to swage bullets for your rifle - bullets for the 348 WCF would be very difficult to find reliably. Winchester model 71 rifles in good condition command huge prices at auction in Canada, often in the $3,000 - $5,000 CDN range - despite the scarcity of ammunition. Thank you for your interesting comments.
@@markcarew6724 Wwell, I cast bullets for the .348 also, so that is my main source of practice ammo.
In 1986 I was in a gun shop in Chandler, AZ on a business trip. It was a big place and in the back corner was a shelving unit full, higher than my head, of bullets for handloading. They were in no particular order. Just stacks of bullets of all types and sizes and weights and brands. I spotted a box of 100 Hornady, 250 gr. .348" bullets for SEVEN (7) dollars! That was DEAL, even in 1986. I took that and kept looking and found 8 more boxes of the same bullets. Hornady had discontinued the 250 gr. bullet some years before this and it was my favorite. Now I had 900 of them! I finally went to check out and the clerk asked me if I would be interested in more of those bullets, for the same price/box? SURE!!!!!!! He went to another shelf of mixed bullets I hadn't seen and found TEN MORE boxes! I walked out with 1,900 of my favorite .348" bullets for what was a bargain price!
I only used them for hunting loads and still have many hundreds of them left. Easily a lifetime supply. Suffice to say, I shoot my Model 71s (2) as often as I like and haven't purchased a single bullet for them since 1986. 😁 When my sons inherit my guns, they will have plenty of 250 gr., .348" bullets. I no longer bother swaging down .358" bullets.
Cast bullet loads are great for practice/plinking. I currently handload for 81 different cartridges and cast at least one bullet for each of them. I have a huge supply of lead wheelweights I collected in the 1960s and 1970s that I dragged around with me my whole life. I'm glad I am now retired and live in my "forever home" so I don't need to move them again! I cast all my bullets from straight wheelweights.
Thank you for relaying that great experience, I have never been that fortunate with bullet purchases, especially not bargains. I do purchase bullets in large quantities, when I find something that works well in a particular rifle. I bought 2000 Sierra Matchking bullets - 308 caliber, 240 grain for one F Class rifle and 2500 6.5 mm, 147 grain ELD M for the other F Class rifle. Generally, I buy in lots of 1500 - 2000 bullets for particular rifles. Most of my rifles are in .224", but I have rifles in nearly every caliber except 50 BMG and 348". Lately, I have been using Barnes solid copper bullets for hunting cartridges with great success after a total disaster with a jacketed hunting bullet in 2017.
The firearms community in Canada is under a prolonged and sustained attack by anti gun activists who are determined to end civilian firearm ownership in Canada. Primers, powder and bullets have been delayed and/or turned back at the border for over two years. I am lucky in the sense that I have lots of all required reloading components - most Canadians have run out of reloading supplies. Loaded ammunition is in very short supply as well - the situation is bleak at the moment.
I fear your government is planning the same for American shooters in the coming months and years.
Thank you for the stimulating comments - MJC
I was under the impression that the 225 Winchester was a necked down 25-35 if this is true beside the bullet diameter what is the difference between the Savage 22 HP and the 225 Winchester? You seem to know a lot about the earlier calibers. Any of your thoughts would be appreciated.
Hello, Stephan, thank you for watching the video. Although the 225 Winchester is similar in case volume to the 25-35 WCF, the 225 Winchester is a semi-rimmed cartridge with a head diameter the same as the 308 class of cartridges. Neither the 225 Winchester nor the 22 Savage Hi Power are at all interchangeable, the Savage case being a rimmed cartridge. The 225 Winchester was designed to emulate the much older 219 Improved Zipper wildcat cartridge in power, yet function in a bolt action rifle made for standard bolt face cartridges. The 22 Savage Hi Power was introduced at a time when there would be nothing else similar on the market for at least 15 years. Although there were a few similar wildcat cartridges at this time based on the 25-20 Single Shot (not to be confused with the 25-20 WCF case), they were extremely obscure and not available commercially. I hope this helps answer your question . . .
@@markcarew6724 Thanks Mark love your videos. It show everything old is new. I think that people buy into if it new it must be better than what we had. And agree with Toad I really what to see your rifle after it has been colour case hardened.
just received this rifle from my grandfather. but cant source any ammo. is there any off the shelf ammo that will work with the savage model 99 hp?
Hello, Marlon, at the moment the 22 Savage Hi Power is a reloading proposition only. The cases can be formed from 25-35 WCF or 30-30 Winchester brass. You may be able to source loaded ammunition from online auction sites and Federal makes a run of the Hi Power once every few years. Other than those possibilities, ammunition for the 22 Savage Hi Power is a very scarce commodity in these times. Thank you for watching and leaving a comment.
@@markcarew6724 I have read in other sources that the S&B 5.6X52R is the same as the .22 HP See some sourced on AmmoSeek. Don't own one yet but it's on my wish list.
You are correct, b79holmes, in Europe the 22 Savage Hi Power is known as the 5.6x52R where it is seen in drillings and other combination rifles. Thank you for watching and leaving a comment.
Shot placement is key with this rifle you could harvest a Canadian deer with this rifle .
Given how many deer have been taken with the 223 Remington in Canada, the 22 Savage Hi Power would have no problem taking a deer with, as you stated, proper shot placement. The 22 Savage Hi Power is significantly more powerful than the 223 Remington, close to the 22-250 in power. Thank you for watching a leaving a comment.
It's yours not anyone else's i see no reason for you not to have the finish you prefer on your firearm! I would like to see a follow up video on how it turns out ! 👍
Thank you for watching, Mike. With the help of Savage Levers @savagelevers1094, I learned this rifle is actually nickel plated from the factory! I agree with you, I think I should be able to restore this rifle any way I see fit - as long as the work done is skillfully applied. I hope to make a follow up video with this rifle at some point soon. I found some .228" bullets and learned that this rifle is still accurate with .224" bullets as well. All the best - MJC
Model 99 was available in both 308 and 358 Winchester since mid 1950's.
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment.
@@billthomas2639 Not to mention 300 Savage, 303 Savage, 30-30 Winchester, 243 Winchester and even 22-250 in the later years. 22 High Power is tops on my want list along with 358 Winchester. I guess I might as well admit that I want one of each!
@@billthomas2639I’ve already got 250-3000, 300 Savage and 308 Winchester.
Prettiest rifle ever.
Thank you for watching . . . yes, it is a pretty rifle.
Seen a 99 in 22 250
The number of different calibers that were offered for the Savage model 99 over the years is quite remarkable. I have seen rifles chambered in 284 Winchester (uncommon), 303 British (uncommon), as well as common calibers like 308 Winchester, 243 Winchester and nearly everything else too!
Mostly all short action cartridges
@@markcarew6724To my knowledge the 99 was never chambered in 303 British. It was 303 Savage which is not interchangeable with 303 British. If you can cite evidence otherwise I will stand corrected.
You are quite correct, Dave, no Savage 1899/99 rifles were chambered by the factory in 303 British. Both Savage 99 rifles chambered in 303 British, that I have seen, were custom chambered by Ellwood Epps in Clinton, Ontario during the late 1940s. Thank you for watching and leaving an insightful comment.
You definitely need to improve your knowledge on these rifles. This is good for a laugh 😅
I'm glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for watching and leaving a comment. I have learned much about these rifles made by Savage Arms in the past year, I highly recommend the handbook by Rory Reynoldson - its been a great help for me.
Seen my dad shoot a moose and kill it dead in its Tracks. Brain shot with a savage 22 hipower
There is no doubt that the 22 Savage Hi-Power is a potent caliber, far better than modern gun writers give credit these days.
More acuate than 303 smle he had