How To Better Understand The Holy Trinity
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- čas přidán 23. 03. 2014
- We're tempted to take the doctrine of the Trinity for granted. But there is scarcely any belief unaffected when we get the Trinity wrong.
In this video: Don Carson, John Piper, Tim Keller
#trinity #islam #church #god #godislove #jesus #holyspirit
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Amen. Only the Triune LORD God of Scripture is Love. Hallelujah. Praise the LORD God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The one God in the bible, is known as the Father. Mal 2:10; Eph 4:6. A triune definition of the one God, will make the Father to be a triune being. God being solitary being, does not negate his unity as God.
Yes it does because they are three different things. The fathers will is different from the sons will. Create in the 4th century.
I will never be filled with the fullness of God without the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
The Bible clearly gives emphasis to the nature of these Persons in the Godhead.
Take away one of them and I will never be complete the way i am right now.
PRAISE THE GODHEAD THREE IN ONE.
Amen! God bless your heart. ❤
Amen!!! Hallelujah!!!
Amen
According to Col 2:9 the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus Christ, bodily. This means that God cannot be found outside of Jesus. In verse 10, the believer is complete in him. Two others do not have to be with him, for the believer to be complete in him.
Based on the three last lines of your comment, one can also conclude that, to take away any person of God, you do not have God. This is why the trinity cannot be true.
"Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
- Colossians 1:15-17
So this scripture speaks of One God. Right!
@@digitalambassador4713
Yes.
Trinity is a men made doctrine
@@eddiemirtille9294 You've missed the point entirely.
@@eddiemirtille92942 Corinthians 13:14
@@AaronRequinto2003exactly!💯
Great conversation and teaching, loved this, thank you!!
Outstanding.
Jesus did infact claimed to be God. These are many examples. And before misinterpreting these passages read the gospels as it shows that The Jewish people and the Priests many times understood Jesus was Claiming equality with God and claiming to be God and as a result tried stoning snd killing him multiple times. John 10 33 for example.
He claimed that He was Lord of the Sabbath with the authority over it (Mark 2:23-28).
He took the divine name “I AM” for Himself (John 8:58, from Exodus 3:14).
He said that the way to the Father is through Him (Matthew 11:27, John 14:1-7).
He made Himself equal with God (John 5:18).
He claimed that whoever saw Him saw the Father (John 14:9).
When He was given the opportunity to correct people treating Him as if He were God, He didn’t (Matthew 26:63-65, John 19:7-10).
He claimed to have descended from heaven (John 3:13).
He claimed to have the power to raise himself from the dead (John 2:19, 10:17-18).
He claimed to be replacing the temple (John 2:19-21), which was the place known to house God’s presence and the forgiveness of sins.
He claimed to share “glory” with God before the world existed (John 17:5).
He claimed to be sent from Heaven (John 6:38, John 4:34, John 3:13).
He claimed He would send His angels (Matthew 13:41, Luke 12:8-9).
He claimed the authority to forgive sins (Mark 2:5).
He assumed the authority to judge the world (Mark 14:62) and that one’s attitude toward Him would impact the end of their life (Matthew 10:32-33).
He claimed to be perfectly sinless (John 8:46).
He claimed that to know Him was to know God (John 8:19), to see Him was to see God (John 12:45), and to receive Him was to receive God (Mark 9:37).
He claimed, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:29-33), which was not lost on Jewish listeners, who responded, “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (verse 33).
In His teachings, He consistently demonstrated authority over the Law, or Torah, most notably in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7).
Repent to Jesus for Jesus is coming again to judge this world. May he not say to you "I never knew you, depart from me you who practice lawlessness."
The Gospel of John ❤
Bless God for not leaving us clueless🙏
Amazing
👌🏼 Well said! Mic 🎤Drop!
The point of the Trinity is not to question the single essence of God, but rather to comprehend the energies of God, or how a single God, who's outside the created world, manifests himself in the created world, so the Hypostasis are the eternal manifestations of God, or more precisely the Spirit of God/Parakletos stands for God's relation with anything in the created world, the Word of God/Logos stands for God's actions in the created world, while the Pater is not exactly a manifestation, but rather the source of both Hypostasis, outside the created world.
Thank God for the Athanasian Creed! It is such a clear, wonderful teaching!
It is clear and yet one word that is used to describe the Trinity is Mystery. A mystery is not clear…
@@playthislick Mystery can mean something hidden or not fully understood. God on this side of eternity is known but not fully known. We can know Him and yet because He is truly God Almighty He is beyond what we as humans or mortals can fully comprehend until we are transformed to dwell with Him in eternity. In the Eastern Orthodox church God is called a divine Mystery because He is beyond what we in our limited capacity, are able to now understand.
@bengoolie5197 The Athanasian Creed is a good explanation of the trinity, it has to be as there is no such explanation in scripture.
For a large book where God is the central figure, mentioned over 10,000 times by name and title, there is not one single unambiguous verse or passage anywhere that tells us God is a three person god.
It would be wonderful if it had anything to do with Scripture.
@@Mutant_11 Your every interpretation of any and all scripture verses is fallible and error prone, your statement matters not.
Brilliant discussion. Thank you.
1 John 2:2, 1 Tim. 4:10, Romans 5:18, 11:32-36, John 12:32, Colossians 1:15-20, 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 Jeremiah 24:30, Ephesians 1:9-11 etc.
Awesome discussion. Thank you, brothers
Can somebody explain to me the difference between echad or one in Genesis 2:24 and the echad in Deuteronomy 6:4?
@brettspearman3706 As you probably know "echad" is the Hebrew word for "one". If you were counting in Hebrew echad is the number one.
In Deut 6:4 "echad" is simply "one".
At Gen 2:24 "echad" is still "one". We have the same in English, the crowd rose as one.
When we use one to describe a untied group with the same will and purpose we need to know who or what that is to be one in order to understand its use..
There is no such qualification at Deut 6:4. therefor a plural God cannot be read into the use of "echad" in this verse.
Wow 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you Lord for these men. Thank you pastors with your regards to the knowledge of the gospel and God. We need to know it so in these times
The holy spirit is given to the believers to help them to boldly be witnesses of the gospel of Jesus christ, and gives (spiritual gifts) knowledge, spiritual wisdom, and, and, and to do the will of God.
you need to read the word of GOD!Rev 3:12 john 17:3 and many other verses GOD is one.
Mike A Kuch Yes God is one being, three in person
@@LawrenceB123 one means one in person.
Jesus Christ has a God.
@@johndevisser3318 "one means one in person." Nice assumption, prove it.
@@sukka4pain
I am a human being,but i'm allso a person.......but i'm one!
God is 1 being.
God is 1 person.
God isn't a cluster of 3 deferant persons!
@@user-tj5mi5bb9m Notice how you have to bring God down to the level of man in order to make your point. Why are they analogous?
a highly productive conversation to say the least. the Trinity is woefully neglected in evangelism as well as apologetics in our current age.
@theHoff1974 The one thing missing is there was not a single verse quoted that tells us God is a 3 person God. There isn't one.
It was woefully neglected in the preaching of the apostles in the Book of Acts too!! In fact we could say that God himself (not themselves) neglected to unambigously declare it anywhere in the Bible. A great oversight.
My acceptance of Christianity was less about the Cross and more about the Triune God. I grew up in a Christian home, so “Christ died for you” became like the wallpaper. Once I understood what the Church meant by praying “In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” and not the “names”, once I studied the three relations within the Godhead, the less non-trinitarian theology made sense, whether it was with the Liberal Protestant tradition, the Unitarians, Islam, or theism/deism. When one plunges into the biblical theology and how the early Church made use of philosophy to speak about God and dialectic to defend the biblical witness, faith in the Risen Lord flooded by heart and life.
But there is no "godhead" in Greek scripture......and God is ONE person; THE FATHER.
@@OurHumbleLife that statement is full of shit
What is the name of the father? Jehovah, what is the name of God's son? Jesus, which means Jehovah is salvation. Christianity means anointed one, who anointed him? His Father Jehovah. What is the name of the holy spirit? It doesn't have one because it's not a person, but God's power.
Christ means anointed one
Yes your correct, auto spell messed that up
Why is there no mention of the origin of the trinity? This is where this conversation should have started.
@r.e.jr.1152 Probably because the 3 person God does not originate in scripture, rather it is man made.
@@TheCaledonianBoy
Exactly.
Did you listen to what DA Carson said or did you skip the video entirely?
@@choicemeatrandy6572
Does it matter?
The trinity is just a CONVENTIONAL doctrine based on some statements in the gospels. The bishops of Nicaea had to decide whether Jesus was God or just his Son. Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen the Father" "I am in the Father and the Father in me" and claimed to be the "King of heaven". The bishops thus decided that "Jesus must be as divine as the Father". But Jesus further said that a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is more serious that blasphemy against Himself. The bishops thought "no doubt, the Holy Spirit must also be a divine person". You thus get three "Gods". Since three "Gods" are not allowed because it would mean having polytheism, the bishops said "they appear to be three but actually they are ONE, we call it "mystery of the faith", for the common herd is more than enough". This is how that bogus theory was issued by the councils. The error in all that is the bishops didn't realize that the "Spirit of God" (the Holy Spirit) simply is "God who is a spirit" (Jn.4:24) i.e. once again a manifestation of the same God, not a third divine person. Indeed you can see in the gospels that no third divine person exists with Father and Son: the Holy Spirit is again the Father.
“A unipersonal God wouldn’t be loving until that God created other beings” on this view “power comes before love”. We need to differentiate between attributes and actions. Was God powerful (attribute) before he created (action)? Was God forgiving (attribute) before he forgave(action)? Could God love that which was not yet created? You have to be very confident/bold to say “you couldn’t say God is love except for a triune God” even there is only small chance God is unipersonal and said this. I would be careful to tell God what he can’t say to be coherent. All that said I’m glad people are having open conversations about this topic.
is it more like not going form U.P.C.L.
What verse does it literally say God is triune? Can't seem to find it.
Genesis story of creation in the beginning God created, and the spirit of God moved upon the surface, John writes in the beginning was the word and the word was WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD. the word was the agent of creation. How can you be with someone and be someone with out being one and three
Geo,
amen, and you never will!
King James uses the word godhead
Matthew's gospel records Jesus saying "baptise people in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit".
Furthermore, we know that the Father is God (obviously), we know that Jesus claimed to be and is God (John 1:1, Mark 14:62, John 8:58), and we know that the Holy Spirit is God (For example, in the book of Acts, Peter says that Ananias lied to God when he had just said that he lied to the Holy Spirit).
He says you cannot have love without someone else then how do we love ourselves???
Exactly. The trinity dogma takes Gods love right out of the picture
@douglasarnold5310 God is the complete being. He does not need others to love even though "God is love". They would also need to believe that God had to learn justice after the rebellion in Eden.
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
- Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV)
“Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.”
- Deuteronomy 4:35 (KJV)
“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.”
- Deuteronomy 32:39 (KJV)
“Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.”
- 2 Samuel 7:22 (KJV)
“O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.”
- 1 Chronicles 17:20 (KJV)
“Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.”
- Isaiah 12:2 (KJV)
“And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.”
- Isaiah 25:9 (KJV)
“For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.”
- Isaiah 43:3 (KJV)
Isaiah 43 (KJV)
¹⁰ Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
¹¹ I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
“Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”
- Isaiah 44:6 (KJV)
“Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.”
- Isaiah 44:8 (KJV)
“Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;”
- Isaiah 44:24 (KJV)
Isaiah 45 (KJV)
⁵ I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
⁶ That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isaiah 45 (KJV)
²¹ Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
²² Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
“For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.”
- Isaiah 54:5 (KJV)
"And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.”
- Isaiah 59:16 (KJV)
“Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.”
- Isaiah 60:16 (KJV)
“Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.”
- Hosea 13:4 (KJV)
Psalms 22 (KJV)
¹⁶ For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
¹⁷ I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
¹⁸ They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
“And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.”
- Zechariah 11:12 (KJV)
“And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”
- Zechariah 12:10 (KJV)
“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”
- Micah 5:2 (KJV)
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
- Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
- Matthew 1:23 (KJV)
“And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
- Luke 1:47 (KJV)
“Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,”
- Luke 1:68 (KJV)
Look up what the Hebrew word is that was used for "salvation" in Exodus 15:2, Psalm 62:2, 62:6, Isaiah 12:2.
KJV Matthew 28:19, Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, 4:12, 8:12, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16
What a liberating truth it is!Thank God
What an idea to liberate you from truth! Very true!
The guy in the middle I think John where in the Bible anyone worship the Holy Spirit like God the Father and his Son. I’m not talking about worshipping God in spirit but worshipping the Holy Spirit
any takers?
My book, PERICHORESIS AND PERSONHOOD: GOD, CHRIST, AND SALVATION IN JOHN OF DAMASCUS (Pickwick Press) might be helpful to this good discussion.
This doctrine the born again ones can enjoy most because it comes from the bible and it is alive. In the conversion process the Father gives us this truth and it comes all together with the faith of the Son of God.
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my NAME: 👉and my GLORY will I NOT GIVE to ANOTHER👈, neither my praise to graven images.
KJV
Deuteronomy 31:16-18 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the 👉gods👈 of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and BREAK MY COVENANT which I have MADE WITH them.
Then my ANGER shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, 👉and I will hide my FACE FROM them👈, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?
👉And I will surely HIDE my FACE 👈 in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other 👉gods👈.
KJV
2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God 👉in the FACE of Jesus Christ.👈
KJV
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have 👉SEEN👈 him.
KJV
John 12:44-45 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, BELIEVETH NOT on me, 👉but on him that sent me.👈
👉And he that seeth me SEETH him that SENT me.👈
KJV
Hebrews 1:3-4 Who being the brightness of his glory, 👉and the 👉express image👈 of his person👈, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent 👉name👈 than they.
KJV
A Trinitarian may mention:
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
KJV
Well question:
Is there more than one King and or Potentate?
1 Timothy 6:14-16
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and ONLY Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
K.J.V
Look at (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V) “Who only hath immortality”
Jesus is the only one who have immortality according to (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V).
Question: Oh what does that do for God the Father
And the Holy Spirit; if Jesus is the only one with immortality?
If God the Father and the Holy Spirit are 2 separate distinct persons from Jesus Christ as you Trinitarins say then God the Father and the Holy Spirit does not have immortality.
Well we just read (1 Timothy 6:14-16 K.J.V) the CONTEXT there of who only have immortality is Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, 👉dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.👈
K.J.V
What is that “LIGHT”?
(A Soul)
Who is that no man have seen?
(That would be God the Father.)
Jesus dwells in that light very interesting and Jesus only has immortality and Jesus is the blessed and only potentate.
Well said.
Jesus reveals himself in relevation.. I am the first and the last, the beginning and the end.. Where are the Father and the holy spirit
He reveals himself in genesis as well
On a completely different non-trinity topic, I couldn't help but laugh at the way this video is edited. Watch how the editor is mostly interested in what John Piper is doing. You get these unsettling long footages of Piper's face while He watches and listens to the others, with clogs and wheels turning. The editor is like, "I wonder what John Piper is thinking about what this other guy is saying..."
•“ALL THINGS that the Father hath are mine:”
see (John 16:15 KJV)
•“Jesus therefore, KNOWING ALL THINGS that should come upon him...”
see (John 18:4 KJV)
•“...answered and said... ALL THINGS are delivered unto me of my Father:”
see (Matthew 11:27 KJV)
•“His disciples said unto him... now are we sure that THOU KNOWEST ALL THINGS,”
see (John 16:29-30)
Christ Jesus rebuked them not, but said concerning his return,
•“Of that day and that hour knoweth no man(Numbers 23:19), no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the son(Revelation 21:7-8), but the Father(Matthew 11:27, John 5:46-47, John 14:10-11, John 12:44-45, Deut 32:6-7, Malachi 1:6, Malachi 2:10, John 8:24).”
Mark 13:32
[32]But of that day and that hour knoweth 👉no man👈, no, not the angels which are in heaven, 👉neither the Son👈, but the Father.
KJV
For in truth, no son of God knoweth, no man knoweth, only the Father.
•Jesus Christ, “my Lord AND my God”(John 20:28), the Holy One of Israel(Isaiah 43:15, Mark 1:24), the God of Israel(Isaiah 45:15), the Savior of the World, the everlasting FATHER(Isaiah 9:6) and Lord of Glory(1 Cor 2:8) knows. Don’t be deceived... He knows!
Jesus said,
•“These things have I spoken unto you IN PROVERBS: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you PLAINLY of the Father.”
see (John 16:25 KJV)
•“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, AND HAVE SEEN HIM.”
see (John 14:7 KJV)
•“And because I tell you the truth, YE BELIEVE ME NOT. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.”
see (John 8:45-47 KJV)
•“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe ALL that the prophets have spoken:”
see (Like 24:25 KJV)
•“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of ME.”
see (John5:39 KJV)
•“Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.”
See (Matthew 22:29 KJV)
•“Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
see (1 Corinthians 1:24 KJV)
•“In the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God,”
see (1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV)
GZeus knows all things except which trees are in season and when the day of judgement will occur.
Here are Bible verses showing there are two: the Father, and Jesus:
■ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Cor 8:6) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
Only the Father and Jesus are mentioned in the opening greetings of the epistles:
■ “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ”
(Paul, in Romans 1:7)
■ “Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”
(Paul, in 1 Corinthians 1:3)
■ “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.”
(John, in 2 John 1:3)
■ "Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Corinthians 1:2)
■ "Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:3)
■ "Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:2)
■ "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1:2)
■ "To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." (Colossians 1:2)
■ "Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thessalonians 1:1)
■ "Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thessalonians 1:2)
■ "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord." (1 Timothy 1:2)
■ "To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord" (2 Timothy 1:2)
■ "To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour" (Titus 1:4)
■ "Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philemon 1:3)
■ "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord" (2 Peter 1:2)
The only persons mentioned were the Father, and Jesus. Can we be honest enough to admit there is nothing to suggest a Trinity - three persons - in these greetings?
There are many similar statements, mentioning only the Father and Jesus. Here are a few of them:
■ “Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
(Ephesians 6:23)
■ “Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.”
(1 Thessalonians 3:11)
■ “Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.”
(2 Thessalonians 2:16,17)
■ “Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.”
(1 John 2:24)
■ “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.”
(1 John 1:3)
■ “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his”
(Romans 8:9)
Amen, Amen, Amen.
God made mankind in HIs image - male and female He made them.
The Son came forth from the Father.
The woman came forth from the man.
The Father is the head with the authority on the Throne.
The man is the head with the authority in marriage.
Yet they are one.
This is why you don’t just read single verses. Read the rest of John 14… the Father and Son dwell in believers *through* the Spirit.
@@TheDareD3vilThe Father and the Son ARE spirit and ARE holy. When they (the two) dwell in us we have them -holy spirit- in us.
■ "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
■ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23)
The natural mind thinks love is weakness. So a God of love must be weak. This is true if that God is not Triune.
Question, in Colossians 1:15-17 is Jesus Christ, bodily the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation, and created man in his image?
Question, which of the 7 holy spirit that stood in front of the throne of the lamb, is to you this God you say he is.?the holy spirit is the messenger to the world, to reveal Jesus christ to us only. Bless you all.
i simply love this channel
If ONLY a three person God is love, then why does the Bible tells us the Father is love? The one who does not love does not know God, for GOD is love. By this the love of God was manifested in us, that GOD has sent HIS only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 1 John 4:8-9. That would be the Father there, one person who is love. Saying that only the Triune God is love is a lie which contradicts Scripture.
The greatest love there is would be to lay down your OWN life for your friends, not sacrifice someone else for your friends.
So either the father is the son, or someone else loves us more than the father.
Good things mentioned here. It is Gods great right to hide His nature from those who would reject His truth. Those that defend oneness theology never satisfactorily address the way John makes distinctions in his gospel regarding the beautiful relationship Christ had with His Father. All they do is dig up a multitude of verses about God is one which is a broken record. We don’t deny God is one, the same way we don’t deny a man and his wife are one. It is so true that when these persons of the triune godhead are glopped into one, then the rest of doctrines goes haywire where you get legalistic teaching, baptismal regeneration, having to have evidence of tounges to confirm salvation. Once the godhead is accepted by faith the flow of understanding doctrine comes. God help us to accept the nature of God without having to figure it out with our fallen thoughts.
The god of oneness theology if he did exist would be pretty lonely before anyone was created.
I am glad that the godhead had tremendous fellowship one with another before anything or anyone else was made. We have a tremendous God that is past finding out. And we are invited into that fellowship. Amen
Praise God for the gospel of John sharing these truths with us that coincides with Old Testament truths too.
I think the only thing that exists in this reality is the Source Consciousness/God. We see this clearly with people who have merged with the “all loving light” (God) during their NDEs. After they merge, they report that they feel an incredible sense of being loved, and they also realize we are made of the same “conscious stuff” that God is made of. (This makes sense, that we are all made of the “conscious stuff” that God is made of, since the only raw materials “he” had to work with when he created our souls was his own consciousness. And so he created us out of himself, so to speak.) And as these NDEers temporarily feel one with God during their merger, they report that they know everything that God knows - because they are at that moment one with “him.” But when they separate from the “all loving light” they lose most of that knowledge (because they are no longer coupled with the source of everything), but they do retain the deep, overwhelming sense of feeling loved by God. And most people, when they “come back to their bodies,” really want to share this heightened level of love with all of humanity. And now we know for sure. God is love, only love because it is all “he” is capable of. And anything that paints him in a non-loving way is just plain wrong, no matter what the source. All the best!
Open-minded Skeptic “He”*
THANK YOU JOHN PIPER!!!
FINALLY!
I'm SO TIRED of listening to speeches about our God, the One and Only God Who Is a Triune God and Yet all I ever hear talked about are only of the Two First Persons, NEVER the 3rd Person which is ABSURD being that, that's what "Triune" stands for, 3!
Yet Only the Father and Son are Who everyone ever talks about Most as a rule.
DRIVES ME MAD
So FINALLY, (I'm glad I waited it out) at the Very End John Piper calls attention to the Holy Spirit!
About time!!
To Don, true that the Father never "Submits" out of Obedience to Please His Son, However, He DOES Please Him, just as the Son has Pleased the Father and as the Holy Spirit has also, as He with the Son also Please each other so Also the Father is Joint ONE in this whole dynamic of PLEASING each other, because that Is the LOVE of God Expressed Before man-kind.
Because the Father Loves His Son... (John 3:35).
He, the Father Gave ALL, Everyone, And ALL AUTHORITY to Him, His Son.
They're Like a Complete Full Circle, that EQUALLY goes around and around.
The title of this video "Only the triune God is love" I assume is taken from the verse in 1 John 4 v 8 where it says "for God is love". If anyone would care to look this verse up in their bibles and read a bit further they will find that this God is the Father (as is always the case in first John) since it says in the next verse "in this was manifested the love of God toward us because that God sent his only begotten son into the world". So the title of this video should really be "Only God the Father is love" unless someone can produce a text to the contrary.
God??? Time IS God manifests in Timing. Timeism I.S. the Riddle? Soul, Spirit, Mind, God
Old TGC is incredible. May God grant you guys the ability to come back to the sweetness of this more and more centrally, with a clear masculine archetype in the God who reveals himself as a "He' to a humanity he wants to reflect both a corporately "feminine" relationship to his masculinity and origination, and an imitative "masculine" patriarchal shape in its social family organizations as a Bride of biblically mostly male-led masculine and feminine covenant households.
Your message is to intelligent for me to understand and I guess that's why no one has responded to your statement
Keep it simple professor
@@Eugene-th4ow
Here it is my internet student: This video good. Make more like this.
The farther is in me and I am in the farther, the farther and I are one. And I came to reveal the farther, by the name he gave me, the name above every name in heaven and earth. We are to glorify Jesus Christ only, and to be witnesses of the gospel of Jesus christ only, and why are you trying to make God more than one true living God.
Who told you to call God a trinity? Are you saying no to the God of Jesus? Are you saying Jesus was not born first of all creation?
@@jjw00dw- one what? That verse was added a violation
Always thought DA Carson was British
John 1 1 in the beginning was THE WORD and THE WORD was with GOD(The Father) and The WORD was God(The Father)...Isaiah 9 6 behold the Lord will give you a sign a virgin shall conceive and bare a son and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor mighty God and Eternal Father!... and the word was God!.... rev. 19 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God. 14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses.…
John 1:1 does not speak of a three-persons-in-one-God Trinity (Father is God, Son is God, Holy Spirit is God yet they are not three Gods but one God with all three persons co-eternal and co-equal). It only speaks of God and the Word. There are two occurrences of the Greek noun "theos" (god) in this verse. The first theos is preceded by the definite article "ho". When the noun has a definite article, it points to a distinct identity, in this case Almighty God. However, the second "theos", referring to the Word, does not have the definite article. Many scholars agree that the fact that the second theos does not have a definite article means that the word “theos” in this case does not point to the identity of the Word but rather to a characteristic or quality of the Word, that the Word is "divine", "a god", “god-like”, but not the same as “ho theos”. Several modern Bible versions translate the final part of John 1:1 as “the Word was divine,” “the Logos was divine,” “a god was the Word,” or “the Word was a god.”
Isaiah 9:6 calls the Messiah "Mighty God", but that does not mean that he is Almighty God himself. In 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6, Paul says, "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Jesus is a Mighty God because God is the one who exalted him to that position. Philippians 2:9 states that after Jesus's death and resurrection, God exalted him to a superior position and gave him the name that is above every other name." Does that mean that God exalted Jesus to a position greater than God himself? Does that mean that Jesus's name is even above God's name? The following verses explain that Jesus's exaltation is ultimately to bring glory to God the Father. Paul said something similar in 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28. God subjected all things under Jesus's feet. Paul explains in verse 27: "But when he says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him." Isaiah 9:6 also calls the Messiah "Eternal Father". Does that mean that the Son is also the Father? Not even the Trinity doctrine teaches that the Son is the Father, unless you believe in Modalism. The Messiah is given this title with a specific meaning in mind. Jesus became the father of the human race when he became the last Adam.
You realize you're quoting a Greek philosopher when you say these lines, right? ... right? Let's hope you learned something in the last 6 years and you're not still an idolator. I mean I don't care but you're heading for an eternal fire with this kind of "thinking"... if it can be referred to as that.
Matthew 27:37
And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
K.J.V
Is there more than one King and or Potentate?
1 Timothy 6:14-16
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and ONLY Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
K.J.V
Look at (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V) “Who only hath immortality”
Jesus is the only one who have immortality according to (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V).
Question: Oh what does that do for God the Father
And the Holy Spirit; if Jesus is the only one with immortality?
If God the Father and the Holy Spirit are 2 separate distinct persons from Jesus Christ as you Trinitarins say then God the Father and the Holy Spirit does not have immortality.
Well we just read (1 Timothy 6:14-16 K.J.V) the CONTEXT there of who only have immortality is Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, 👉dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.👈
K.J.V
What is that “LIGHT”?
(A Soul)
Who is that no man have seen?
(That would be God the Father.)
Jesus dwells in that light very interesting and Jesus only has immortality and Jesus is the blessed and only potentate.
God is the Ultimate Relationship. Not an isolated being trapped within but someone whose Logos; Reason; Logic for being is His beloved Son. He-the Father-created humanity to give to His Son as a bride, and the Church as His bride is that part of humanity who have been brought back into that ultimate love relationship in the power of their Holy Spirit. An isolated god makes no sense to my love starved heart! Reading John with its intimate talk of intimacy between Father, Son and Spirit makes sense. The isolated god of Islam and similar scary gods trapped within themselves terrifies me. If they were god I would rather go to hell. The true God invites us to share in Christ s relationship with the Father as the Holy Spirit baptizes us into body of Christ, which is the holy Church (see 1 Cor 12, for eg.). This is a God my logical mind can believe in. This is God.
Question, did the holy spirit standing before the throne of God, sent to the church of God, kill a person who lied to him, is this the holy spirit God that you are trying to glorify and say is Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ never said the holy spirit and I are one.
In Romans 8:9 “Spirit of God” and “Spirit of Christ” are used interchangeably.
@@andrewmrcz Please give us the scriptures that says that the Spirit of christ is changeable. Because the scriptures says that Jesus christ has and never changed ,He is the same for ever and ever.? And Jesus Christ was before all things and created all things by Him for Him and nothing can exist without Jesus christ, the Spirit of life.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 I didn't say that the Spirit of Christ is changeable. I said the terms "Spirit of God" and "Spirit of Christ" are used *interchangeably*, meaning the terms are synonymous with each other. The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, and vice verse. And yes I believe the Spirit is unchangeable and immutable.
Jesus: " The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of *my God*. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of *my God* and the name of the city of *my God*, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from *my God* "
Rev 3:12
Jesus does not serve a triune God.
It is Jesus' Father who is The one God.
*Jesus' God is my God*
Blessings
***** Yes, he is GOD's son.
***** How can JESUS be GOD's *son* and also be GOD who is the father *of* JESUS?
JESUS is *with* his father in heaven now......
JESUS says he sits on his father's throne *with* him.
The Father(GOD) and His son, Jesus, are not the same person.
GOD bless
OurHumbleLife The clarity of the trinity in New Testament is a confirmation of numerous references in the Old. Taking one verse and placing an interpretation on it outside of Scripture in its entirety is very poor exegesis and doesn't prove your point. Jesus said repeatedly in his own words that he and the Father are one. They reference several of these in this video. John chapter 1, which by the way was not a Christian invention. That passage came straight from a Jewish targum. John was simply identify Jesus as the one they were looking for. There was an understanding in Second Temple Judaism and a lot of commentary on the "Two Yahweh"s" because of the numerous references in the Old Testament, most clearly when it says 'My Lord said to my Lord." That statement right there is clear evidence that they are more than one an coequal. Isaiah 43:11 says, "The Lord alone is Savior." How can they refer to Yahweh and there be fulfillment in Jesus if Jesus is not Lord? Even the Shema itself refers to a plural unity. "Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is one." The word used for one in that verse is echad which is a plural unity. The best example of this is when it says in Genesis that a man and his wife are "one." Also echad. There is a word in Hebrew which means a singular one, it is yachid. As they said in the beginning of the video, the Trinity is just a label for a truth that is referenced throughout the Bible.
Jesus is Lord because GOD made Him Lord.
Acts 2:36
" let all the house of Israel know for certain that *God has made Him both Lord and Christ-- this Jesus whom you crucified"*
Who was Jesus' God, this God that he called his, the one he prayed to?
*Do you believe that Jesus worshipped a triune God?*
Again, this is a faulty understanding of Scripture in its entirety on the nature of God, Messianic expectations (of which there were several,) and what Jesus himself said. He said himself he was Lord God.
You are trying to put a human construct on an eternal God.
There are many verses that illustrate this, but I will let the words of Jesus himself stand as the best refutation of it.
Matthew 22:41-45
Then, surrounded by the Pharisees, Jesus asked them a question. "What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?
They replied, "He is the son of David."
Jesus responded, "Then why does David, speaking under the inspiration of the Spirit call the Messiah "my Lord?". For David said,
"The Lord said to my Lord, 'Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies beneath your feet." (Quoting Psalm 110)
Since David called the Messiah 'my Lord' how can the Messiah be his son?".
No one could answer him. After that, no one dared as him any more questions.
The title Lord was reserved for Yahweh and, again, there was an understanding of the Two Yahweh's in the second Temple
The flaw in your argument is twofold. Jesus did not worship "a triune God.". He Is God.
John 5:23 "so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him
John 8:49-50. Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father . . .
If he was not fully God, of the same essence, then all his statements and the instructions to honor him are a violation of the first commandment "Thou shall have no other gods before me.". It would also make false the statement in Isaiah 43:11 that the Lord alone is Savior
You can't pick and choose which verses to accept. You either have to accept them as a whole, or they are invalidated. God does not leave room in his Word otherwise.
The only way all of the statements are reconciled is through the person of Jesus Christ, who came as fully God, the Lord, to earth as fully man to atone for our sins
What you miss in that verse is that it says he is Lord *and* Christ.
He wasn't made Lord because he always was. . . But he was made the Christ, meaning he was the savior, the salvation of God (which is what his name means) referred to in Isaiah 43.
The word Messiah means "anointed one" in Hebrew. But that wasn't how the apostled referred to him. They called him the Christ. There was a concept of the redeemer, God coming as man, that the title Christ conveyed. It does mean "anointed one" as well, but there was a connotation that went beyond it
That is why in the book of John, two times it uses Messiah and Christ in the same sentence.
One of those passages is John chapter 4 when Jesus is talking to the Samaritan woman. Verse 25 "the woman said to Hm, 'I know that Messiah (Mesias) is coming, He who is called Christ (Kristos); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.". Jesus said to her, 'I who speak to you am He."
The Christ, Greek word Kristos, was a qualifier, that there was a Messiah coming that was more than the other Messiahs, that he was God come as man, the Christ.
The Father is Lord. The Son is Lord and was made Christ, the savior of Isaiah 43:11
Romans 10:9. If you confess with you mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
If you confess him as Lord, meaning that he is God . . . Not that you follow him as an elevated member of the divine council . . . That he is and always was God, coessence of the Father. The salvation of God as God himself
If you don't believe that, you don't have his salvation and are preaching another Gospel
Yah right!
So John Piper how is your Reformed god have any love?
Quote from John Piper:
"God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . .
Quote from John Calvin:
“The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11)
Anyone interested in the real Gospel of Jesus Christ?
Listen to these true men of God preaching the truth. (CZcams)
Dave Hunt "What Love is this."
Soteriology 101 Dr Leighton Flowers
David Pawson
Moriel TV Jacob
Mike Winger
And remember these words from the real GOD!
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-....
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Truth In Love
There is only one God. For everybody. Total acceptance. Unconditional love.
Did Solomon and all the prophets believe in the trinity?
@ojkiuy They would know nothing about a 3 person God.
Obviously Christianity is Greek Paganism and is not even to be associated with "Jesus" himself, let alone Solomon or John the Baptist or ANY of the prophets of God that existed since the beginning of time.
Christians have to go to hell, at least the trinitarians, and they're literally breaking the first TWO commandments so good luck trying to reason with someone who believes God is his own son or that God can die. I challenge anyone to make a more oxymoronical or paradoxical statement than "God died".
I love these guys but disagree with their take on the social Trinity. Jesus' subordination to the Father is a volunteering submission of a fully equal divine person of the Trinity. This is what makes it so beautiful. It is not just an obedient son, but one who is fully mature with His own will in which He, in love, surrenders to the Father's will because He loves the Father. Without seeing this, you will never understand correctly Paul's statement about women being submitted to their husbands. It is not a submission based on "less than" or because "He is the Man" or because that is the man's role or because, etc. When a woman is fully mature, she can lay down her own will for her husband whom she loves. The power struggle is gone. She refuses to fight because she knows who she is (in Christ). In fact, it makes her more beautiful. She takes no hit to her dignity, but her dignity is exalted by the very act of surrender. The system these three men are using to describe the Trinity is a hierarchical system that when applied to humanity, makes for hierarchical relationships, and we've all seen how that has worked.
If you love me keep my commandments:
The first commandment is to love Jesus Christ's God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind and all your strength.
Trinitarians can't do this wich means they don't love God.
We are filled with all the fullness of God, which enables us to comprehend the love of God which would otherwise be out of our reach. Ephesians 3:14-21
This is a crazy claim… we are called to love God with all are our heart, soul, mind, and strength… why would a trinitarian not be able to do this? Trinitarians are loving who God is COMPLETELY… God is the father the son and the Holy Spirit… the father is the one who sent him (God), the one who died for all (God), and the one who give Devine power to all creature of the earth (God)… if you deny that YOU aren’t loving God like the first commandment said…
Where at in the bible does God, the Father in heaven, ever refers to himself as " the Triune God?".
'One' does not mean solitude or something like that. Man and woman in marriage are one, even today we use words like ' one family, one team, one country'. One does not mean solitude. And the word God used when He said He is One, "echad", is also used for the man and woman coming together in marriage. So why does when God use it, the word suddenly means solitude?
Nita God never does!! This is a heresy and a damnable heresy for tht matter.
Nowhere, but that doesn't matter - because it is from humans that the truth of God is heard now, not the Bible.
He told me... I've never heard this word before. I'm seeking God any way I can, so I asked God to reveal himself and the Holy Spirit came and told me. I know it's right! I just wanna know the details of the real trying God.
No where in bible . Jehovah is one Jehovah deuteronomy 6:4
God became man just once, the incarnation. Now the LOGOS is once again, ONE with the Father in Spirit. (glorified, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent)
Every discussion on the triune Godhead, like this one, everyone is incorrectly thinking 3-dimensional, time and space.
Try to think in terms of consciousness instead of location and see if it becomes much clearer.
God is not sitting literally on a 3-dimentional throne. Those were visions to help us conceive the infinite and divine with our finite brains. Jesus does not really have a sword coming out of His mouth, and He does not wear a rob He drenched in blood, and no tattoo on His thigh saying, “the word of God.”
1 Timothy 6:14-16 (NKJV)
14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
The only God is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ and his God is the Father alone. There is no God but the God of Jesus.
+The Trinity Delusion Amen!! To those who are blind to the truth and believe a lie, I say "Truthful lips endure forever, but a lying tongue lasts only a moment." Proverbs 12:19. God's truth always prevail.
+Gold Diamond smh
What "smh" ?. It is your choice if you want to follow the traditions of men, rather than the word of God.
+Tyler Patrick Shanabrook I'm guessing you think Jesus is speaking about himself, and the left must be himself as well and the right must be his father at a later time but as himself... This is why I know people don't read bibles
+Tyler Patrick Shanabrook God bless my friend
13:45 does god ever act as servant of holy ghost or jesus? no never because he is god. jesus is messenger and there is no such thing as ghost. god does not need ghost
The Diety of the fullness of Jesus christ is, 1 the farther, the divine conscience/wisdom of Jesus christ, 2 the living water of life, the eternal spirit of God, the bread of life, and 3 the body of Jesus christ the lamb on the throne, the triune of the one God, Jesus Christ created man in his image, body, soul and spirit ( life) as one person with a name Adam, this is the image of our God.
The farther is the divine conscience/wisdom of Jesus christ,Jesus Christ is the infinite spirit, breath of life ,eternal spirit, living water of life, in bodily form in the body of Jesus christ the lamb on the throne, the Diety of God, the three are in agreement of the testimony of Jesus christ, the one and only true living God who became flesh and walked with man, Jesus Christ created man in his image, body,soul and spirit (life)as one person with a name Adam. Jesus christ is the wisdom and the power of God.
Why does he pronounce every word wrang?
He's using old forms of words. "Wroth" is an archaic form of the modern word wrath. I don't know why he chooses to use these old terms, though.
@@lukehumphrey7517 This the white man's way of feigning understanding an intellect. People often confuse and conflate one's ability to control a language with intellectual prowess. So, instead of learning and being honest, we're talking to talk a bunch of shit and make up some more terms to change reality like hypostatic union all because we're unwilling to say in honesty that Trinitarianism is Greek Paganism and has never, can never and will never make sense. Oh well, let the Christians go to hell. In fact, try to stop them, you cannot.
The deity of Christ is God the Father.
JEHOVAH God and Jesus Christ can not explain what is trinity. . . .If TRINITY is part of God's truth that Jesus witnessed to the world, John 18:37, Jesus and his Apostles would have teach that to the people in their preaching tours. John 17:3; John 8:31. And the New Testament would have been saturated with a mention of TRINITY. HOW COME NONE???
It is time that Christians now must believe the words of Jesus when he says that he is the "Son OF God/Father" and NOT "God the Son". God of Israel is the Father and God of our Lord Jesus Christ, and his Father and God is also our Father and God. Jesus and others in Scriptures say this over and over again in the New Testament!.
Gold Diamond That's correct and together They are one GOD. Including the third Person the Holy Ghost, They are three Gods who are one GOD. The Godhead.Three eternally separate individuals who are of one everlasting to everlasting Family called GOD. They are from everlasting and shall be everlasting. Live for eternity.That is meant for us too. We are gods in the making.
The manifold wisdom of oneness is fellowship. We fellowship with Christ, thus become like we were meant to be..... like our Heavenly Father and He. Fellowship in unity, love and Family is the meant *PURPOSE* of us all for eternity. The same purpose which the Father purposed unto Christ, Christ purposes to us.
There is only one way to be one. In the image and likeness of three men can be one is how three Gods are one. That is real and the is the true love of Family and it is real.
God bless.
+truthseeker staats
You altogether missed his point.
There *IS* ONE God, and "The Father", ALONE, is this ONE GOD.
The Bible makes this perfectly clear.
WHO does The Bible say Jesus is The Son *_OF?_*
*OF God! Jesus is The son of GOD*
It is GOD who is The Father!
Blessings
OurHumbleLife No. I did not miss that part. I know who the Father is and who are His sons and daughters. Christ is His first born.
We are all offspring..... we are gods.... He is God.
All who are His Family are GOD.
All who bear His name on this Earth and this Heaven are called........ GOD
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My point has always been..... the Father, His Son and The Holy Ghost are one GOD and we can become one with Them as They are one with each other.
It is what He/They want. Family is the fellowship and intended purpose of us all. :) ;)
+OurHumbleLife Amen brother!. Jesus is the Son OF God !!. Father alone is the only true God and we are His Children/sons, including Jesus.
+truthseeker staats We are not Gods, this is a dangerous thing to say, when scriptures speak of Gods and Lords they speak of it in a way to imply Leaders of a group of people and not in the same way as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is mighty to save! He is " I am HE", HE IS the God Thomas claimed and He is the one that says this scripture HAS BEEN FULFILLED!!!
He is triune and he's unity whether you think he's triune or unity then you are right cause he is all of that
So called Christians these days believe in the trinity, say God was never born, but celebrate Christmas, say God can't die but celebrate Easter,
I'm deeply saddened people don't believe in Holy Spirit as the Triune God. As someone already said here, In Matthew 28:19-20 (KJV)
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"
And in Acts 5:3-4 "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."
So whats not clear? What you dont get? Our Triune God, Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit. Our Triune God that we deeply need in our life. Glorify Thy Name!
The one true God is ONE person; The Father.....ALL of God is The Father! God CANNOT be divided. He is one.
This argument has never made sense to me and seems merely ad hoc to fit a trinitarian presupposition; however, like everything else with the trinity, it is ultimately self-defeating. It is simply invalid to conclude from God's omnibenevolence that therefore God must be three persons who love each other. In fact, holding fixed the unity of God, it makes of God a supreme narcissist. One can only eliminate this narcissism by dissolving the unity of God to a polytheistic "social" unity.
The error is in assuming that omnibenevolence *necessitates* an object. It does not. It is a dispositional property. Smith is a loving person, and yet, there may not exist at this time an object of Smith's love. However, Smith is constitutionally such that were such an object available, Smith would indeed love it.
The Jewish understanding of God makes the most rational sense. God's love is for His creation, His children, not for Himself.
Zechariah 12-10 God said, with a spirit and supplication,they will look on me the one they have pierced, and they will mourn, this is said long before the cross, Jesus Christ is the one and only true living God, Jesus Christ created man in his image, body, soul, and spirit (life) as one person with a name Adam, God has a name above every name in heaven and earth, Jesus Christ.
John 19:37 quotes it, and says "him", not "Me."
And compare it with other translations of Zechariah, not just the one you have quoted
@@wserthmar8908 John 19:37 And as another scripture says, they will look on the one they have pierced "this is the same testimony from Zechariah 12-10 by almighty God, Everlasting father, YAHUAH, now known as Emmanuel, Jesus the christ, the word that became flesh and dwelled with man. Are you denying that Jesus christ is the one and only savior of man and our salvation.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060, unfortunately, modern Christianity is overall wrong about certain things. The greatest in my opinion would be a) trusting the church traditions above what is written in the OT, and what the Messiah taught, and b) the neglect of the Law. But I digress.
Yeshua is our Saviour, Lord, the Messiah, and the ultimate prophet who died and rose from the dead, and he taught the Law perfectly, and fulfilled many prophecies. However, he is not the Father God Himself, and the Father God's name YHVH is above all other names.
Yeshua indeed had God in Him, His presence, His Word. But Yeshua is not God, our God is the Father:
John 20:17 Yeshua said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"
Please, be open-minded enough to understand this stance
@@wserthmar8908 Jesus christ is the lamb/body of the Everlasting father, Mighty God, and Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me. If you really knew Me, you would know My father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him. Question is Jesus Christ the image of the Everlasting father in bodily form. Jesus christ said to Philip, "Don't you know Me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time?Anyone who has seen Me has seen the father. Question did Jesus christ say, I am in the father, and that the father is in Me? And He and the father are one.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060, I mean, there’s just a lot of good explanations on the Interest. God being one is found throughout the OT, and Trinity is not found in the NT, it merely was deduced logically (and wrongfully.)
Well, there are complicated verses in the New Testament that can be used in a pro-Unitarian way, but overall the easiest verses make it easier to understand that God our Father is one, and the Messiah must be honoured, and that he indeed has God’s presence in him
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Who does Jesus turn his kingdom over to at the end of the 1000 years.
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Catholic Church adds Mary to the Godhead...heresy
The Prophet Moses was considered a G_d before the Pharaoh. Does that mean that he is or was G_d the Creator? Absolutely NOT! likewise with the Messiah when he came to this earth with a different purpose..... if he was called G_d by those who understood that the all Patriarchs were called “gods” or Elohim like Phillip told the Messiah? So, what's the difference??? The big difference is that even the Messiah himself knew that he wasn't the Creator Almighty being. That title and the exclusive worship belongs only to His father and the father only. Luke 4:8 This concept confused so many people that only understood "idolatry" distorting the Scriptures. Worshiping so called "Jesus" is considered idolatry by defenition and agaisnt the Commandment of the Eloyim. Repent wicked generation! turn away from idolatry. " The LORD answered Moses, "See I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother will be your prophet." Exodus 7:1 Psalms 82:1-6 The Messiah called his father the "true God" not him. John 17:3 The Messiah was prophesied to be like Moses as a prophet and Savior like Moses, the only big difference is that the Messiah will deliver his people from eternal damnation and Moses delivered his people from idolatry and slavery. Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 So if Moses was considered a G_d before the Pharaoh, why couldn't the Messiah be considered a G-d before kings? Once again, this didn't make Moses or the Messiah the Almighty Elohym to receive worship in any way, shape or form. This act will be considered idolatry for lack of knowledge or ignorance. But ignorance doesn't justify sin of idolatry. The doctrine of the trinity or triune godhead was originated from the Vatican in 325AD first council of Nicea. The Romans were idolaters and worship more than one god and integrated their beliefs into Christianity.They were pagans. Do you follow their example??
The true church must teach that God and Jesus are separate individuals - Heb. 1:3, Acts 7:55-56, John 17:11 & 20:17
The true church must teach that God and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone - Luke 24:36-51, Acts 1:9-11
Fraudulent Trinitarian doctrine intentionally inserted into Bible (1 John 5:7-8). These two verses are missing from original Greek and Hebrew texts, nor are they found in the original 1611 printing of King James Bible. Many newer Bibles are now being printed without them. Think about the impact this single, intentional, and very critical corruption of doctrine has had on the entire Christian world for centuries.
"Jesus is God" doesn't fit all verses in the bible. Jesus said "Why do you call me good. No one is good except the Father." Also, Jesus will be subject to the Father for eternity (1 Cor. 15:28). It is true that Jesus and the Father are one and that Jesus is the Word of God. He is God in the same sense that my words are me. My words come from me and therefore when someone hears my words, they agree that what they hear is me, even though the sound waves that I produce are not actually me. Even my body is not me. The real me is invisible. It is my soul, which is spirit. Jesus is the exact image of God. We cannot know God except through Jesus. Also, it is true that the Son has always been with the Father and that through Jesus God created the universe. Jesus is the Son of God, not God.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
So who is your god? Let's see
the word trinity is not in the holy words proverbs 30:5,6 all who accept the trinity will and have denied the God of Jesus
The ones adding to his words are the unitarians
@@manne8575 are you saying yes or no to the God that Jesus worships?
@@bretherenlee1404 Be more specific please
@@manne8575 eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ
do you believe in the very God of Jesus?
@@bretherenlee1404 I believe in the triune God of Father, Son and Spirit as revealed in the Bible, yes.
Hear oh Israel, Our LORD IS ONE LORD. The trinity was first established in Babylon by Semaramis and when GOD confused their language people split apart but still held their false beliefs about the triune God. This is false. Take no man's word for it
Look it up for yourselves ❤
The Father and the Son are the Parents of the Holy Spirit, if most churches are correct. The Trinity is a Family-- two Parents and an Offspring, if most churches are correct. In the Bible, Jesus Himself said, " I and the Father are One".--John 10:30 On the topic of marriage in general,according to the Bible Jesus said "they are no longer two but one..."-Matthew 19:6
If we understand Jesus' statement "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30 to mean that Jesus is God himself, that would seem to contradict John 14:28, where Jesus says, "The Father is greater than I am." It would also seem to contradict John 20:17, where Jesus tells Mary, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." The context shows that Jesus was talking about his unity of purpose with God the Father. This unity of purpose extended to his followers. In John 17:22, Jesus prayed to God saying, "I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one." Obviously, Jesus did not mean that his followers were of the same essence or substance.
The easiest way to defend the trinity is to compare it with what the Bible says about God. If the two agree 100%, then that should confirm that the trinity is based squarely on Scripture. But is that the case? Well, judge for yourself:
1a. THE BIBLE says the Father-a single person-is the “only true God.” (John 17:3).
1b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “every Person [of the trinity] BY HIMSELF [is] God.” That’s THREE GODS!
2a. THE BIBLE says that “for us there is one God, the Father." (1 Cor. 8:6)
2b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “we worship one God IN TRINITY.”
3a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John @)
3b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “In this trinity, NONE is greater…”
4a. THE BIBLE says Jesus is the Son of God. (John @)
4b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “Jesus IS God,” which makes him a different God from the “one God in trinity."
5a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John @)
5b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE say that “the whole three persons [of the trinity] are “co-equal.”
6a. THE BIBLE says the holy spirit is not God, but a possession of God and that he gives it to deserving ones. As 1 Thess. 4:8 says: “Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not a human being but God, who (also) gives HIS holy Spirit to you.”
6b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “the holy spirit IS God.” However, A Catholic Dictionary says: “On the whole, the New Testament, like the Old, speaks of the spirit as a divine energy or power.” It adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as someTHING, not someONE.”
7a. THE BIBLE says that the Father is the ONLY person that “the true worshipers” (Christians) should worship. (John @)
7b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “The trinity in unity is to be worshiped.”
So, is the trinity doctrine a Biblical teaching? Answer: absolutely not.
Why does Christianity push Catholic dogma? We are required and commanded to believe that YAHUAH sent his Son who came in the flesh and that is that. He is not YAHUAH Eloheem and never ever said he was. Instead he confirmed he is the Son. Joh 20:17...I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my Eloheem and your Eloheem. ANYTHING THAT PREACHES YAHUSHUA DID NOT COME IN THE FLESH IS A DECEIVER , THE ANTI-MASHIACH ie the one who says Yahushua was Spirit rather than flesh FULLY ANOINTED BY THE PURE SPIRIT OF YAHUAH!!!! This invention of trinity and Jesus is God heresy is sent to distract from the TEACHING OF THE SON OF ELOHEEM which is to OBEY TORAH which the same pagan institution called the Harlot Church of Babylon hates. Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law [TORAH] or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to FULLY PREACH (Greek: pleroo) them. Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until shamayim (pw heaven) and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law [TORAH]until all is accomplished. Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of shamayim (pw heaven), but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of shamayim. Mat 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of shamayim (pw heaven).
I think. I think . Thats all they do
and the irony of that statement amongst Christians is not lost on me. The last thing they do is "think".
@@findtruth5329 it's there own ideas
Not from the bible
@@AstariahFox 100% correct.
It is so absent from the bible, they literally had to fabricate a verse to say it in the bible LOL
The answer is so obvious. It just goes to show that people have to be guided.
the trinity = strength(power), love + wisdom(thought), source= aquarian gospel of jesus the christ
TRINITY = TRIUNE gOD = MYSTERY (Revelation 17:5, Revelation 13:1-18).
The "triune god" is the "god of confusion", the name of this "triune god" is "MYSTERY".
The "triune god" is a FALSE gOD.
The Only True God is not a "god of confusion" (confusion = Babel = Babylon), but of peace.
1Cor 14:33: "For GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
This is the ONLY TRUE GOD: THE FATHER AND GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
John 17:1-3: "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT."
The "triune god" is a FALSE gOD.
THE TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
AMEN!!!
I used to be a Trinitarian in one of the world’s largest religious denominations for 53 years and taught and raised my own family the same for 18 years. I continued in this false teaching right up until the day God had mercy on me and sent me the Holy Spirit who led me into all the truth (John 16:13). What does the Spirit have to say about this pagan triune god called the trinity? If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, listen:
“At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for HIDING THESE THINGS FROM THOSE WHO THINK THEMSELVES WISE AND CLEVER, and for REVEALING THEM TO THE CHILDLIKE. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.” (Luke 10:21)
“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will NEVER ENTER the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 18:3)
Now, remember that show, “Are you smarter than a 5th grader”? Anyone here smarter than a 5th grader? Let’s find out.
The topic is based on the doctrine of the Trinity. This doctrine declares the Godhead is triune being comprised of Father, Son and Holy Spirit who are “co-equal” with each other and “are all God”. Without being a bible scholar or having to twist scripture, this is really quite simple. Ready to play?
Elementary 5th grade reading and basic 2nd grade math show us the truth of this matter; hence being like a child just like our Lord said:
Open your Bible, go to the gospel of John and read the following verses for yourself: John 1:1-3. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Having established that both the Father and the Son are God from what you just read, now read the following verses: John 5:17, 5:19, 5:20, 5:21, 5:22, 5:23, 5:26, 5:30, 5:36, 8:28, 12:50, 10:30, 14:6, 14:23, 14:28, 15:10, 17:3, 17:5, Rom. 1:1, Rom. 1:27, 1 Cor. 1:3, 1 Cor. 1:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-7, 1 Cor. 15:27-28, 2 Cor. 1:2-3, Eph. 1:2, 5:20, Philip. 1:2, Col. 1:3, 1 Thess. 1:3, 2 Thess. 1:2, Phil. 1:3, Heb. 1:8-13, 1 Peter 1:3, 2 Peter 1:2, 1 John 1:3, 1: John 5:20, 2 John 1:3, 2 John 1:9, Rev. 3:12, 7:10, 21:22-23. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Those who consider themselves wise or smarter than a 5th grader, tell me, where in this world does 1 + 1 =3?
The Spirit can keep going on with many more verses just like this. If you have the humility to be honest with yourself and what you just read, you will see the plain truth and the trinity doctrine is debunked. If the Holy Spirit was in fact God, why was he left out of all those verses? What happened to being co-equal?
Little children truly believe in Santa Claus in all sincerity up until the day they discover the ugly truth of the matter, right? This isn’t any different. Why anyone continue to believe in a lie after the preponderance of overwhelming evidence?
So now that you have read and seen the truth for yourself, do you still believe in the false trinity doctrine or are you not smarter than a 5th grader? If you failed this test, go to your Bible and read John 8:47.
Another biblical fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Holy Spirit is God. Nowhere!
Christ also said, “the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). Clearly Christ by his very statement said they are NOT co-equal? This totally scotches the doctrine of the trinity that claims the Father, Son and Spirit are co-equal. Who would dare call Christ a liar? Sheer foolishness!
How can anyone believe in the false doctrine of the trinity after reading the gospel of John? The gospel of John and other books of the Bible clearly testify that the doctrine of the triune god is a lie (John 1:1-3). The word “trinity” isn’t even written anywhere in the Bible, why would anyone believe it?
The world foolishly says about the Spirit of God that he is “God the Spirit”. Christ tells us that “God IS spirit” (John 4:24). Do you see how foolish this is already? Why does God need a Spirit if he already IS spirit? It is the Spirit of God. The word “OF” being paramount as the Spirit belongs to God and Christ; the word “OF” denotes possession/ownership. They own it and they sent it (John 16:15)
Don’t know who the Holy Spirit is? Simple, read John 1:51 and Hebrews 1:7, 1:14, and Psalm 104:4. There is our Helper in plain sight yet most are so blinded by the years of false teaching and lies they can’t see the truth. Angel of the Lord, Angel of God, Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit = Holy Spirit.
Paul cautioned us about false humility and the worship of angles (Col. 2:18). The Holy Spirit warned John twice in the Book of Revelation that he should not be worshiped (Rev. 19:10, 22:8-9).
Let’s really simplify this: If a fallen angel is a demon spirit that belongs to Satan, then an angel of God can only be what? A Holy Spirit because he belongs to God who is holy (Lev. 11:44, 1 Peter 1:16).
Think about it, if the Holy Spirit is a single 3rd person of the Godhead, how is it even possible we can we all have it? See how foolish this is already? Do I get the Holy Spirit today and borrow him to you tomorrow? How foolish this world’s wisdom is. The answer is found again in Matthew 18:10 for it is written:
“Beware that you don't look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven THEIR ANGELS are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.” (Matt. 18:10).
The words “their angels” (Holy Spirit) shows ownership. The Holy Spirit for each one of us was not sent until Christ came into his glory (John 7:39).
Let the Bible explain itself, it's quite simple and straightforward. The teaching is very simple without having to twist scripture and believe in something that just isn't there like the word “trinity”. Biblical truth is based on the word of God.
It’s time to unlearn one of the greatest lies of so called “modern Christianity”. Believe in what Christ said and taught. Believe in what is actually and clearly written in the word of God and not in the invented mythology or eisegesis of men.
Get this, if you are worshiping the pagan invented god known as the “trinity”, you will never, ever receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32) as you are breaking the 1st Commandment.
“that their hearts may be encouraged, being KNIT together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, BOTH of the FATHER AND OF CHRIST, IN WHOM are hidden ALL the treasures of WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.” (Col. 2:2-3 NKJV).
Whom has ALL the treasures of wisdom and knowledge as you just read? The Father and Christ. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Lay down your pride and what you think you know about God and the Bible and unlearn the lies. Repent and let God teach you. Unless you become like a child, you will never enter the Kingdom of God. Forget what you think you know as the Lord has sent me to reveal the simplicity of his teaching in spirit and truth.
Now let’s read Proverbs 30:4 together:
“Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is HIS name, and what is HIS SON’S name,
If you know?
Now, how many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
“Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His word.,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.” (Pro. 30:5-6)
The word “trinity” is added to His word. Who is the liar?
If today you hear his voice, harden not your heart!
Repent for the Kingdom of God is near!
The Creator of the Universe is Only One Person. HE has a Holy Spirit and an Only Begotten Son who is our Lord and Savior. We worship YHVH GOD, in the name of Yeshua Messiah, through the Holy Spirit! Simple! Easy to understand! Not complicated! No incoherent Trinitarian mumbo-jumbo necessary to fully grasp who YHVH GOD, Creator of the Universe, is!
+John Q. Public
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."
John 1: 1-5
I'm not trying to be rude, but I have a problem with what you said. The verse is very sharply claiming Jesus Christ's divinity with God who is His Father. Going on what you said if God is just one person that HAS a Holy Spirit and an only Begotten Son then it would mean that the Word(Jesus) was a part of creation and the Holy Spirit as well, which looking back to the verse from john we can see that that is just not true. The verse bluntly labels Jesus as God. In the for gospels Jesus claimed to be God. He also said that the Father who sent him is God. The Holy Spirit who was sent from Jesus. Three distinct persons in one essence.
This verse below is a glimpse of the eternal dance of love that has been forever occurring.
"In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”
Mark 1: 9-11
This is just a glimpse of what has been happening for eternity. No one else has God opened the heavens for and declared that kind of stamp of approval than his Son, and the Spirit is uniting their love. This is just constant love all around, and is an example of why we--as his creation created in His image--even love in the first place. Constant love for eternity is what God has, and that is the reason why He created, because He loves and wants to share that love. Not because He was lonely, because if creation was done out of loneliness then yes it would have been done through a unipersonal God.
What makes Christians distinct is that we believe in a tripersonal God who is revealed through the Lord Jesus Christ. The Trinity is the most important doctrine, because it is describing who God is, and built off of this doctrine are all the others such as: Justification, Sanctification, Marriage, Wrath etc.
I know that communication in these comments on youtube can get rough, but I am not trying to put you down. I just wanted to point out what I disagree with you on on what you said, because it seemed to contradict scripture. Don't take my word for it. Read His Word. Watch the video again. Pray on it, because it is always good to exam yourself. I know that I will as well, but I only say what I have said because God has revealed it to me like so many others through His Son.
+Joshua Chavez --- Yeshua does not enter the text of John’s Gospel until verse 14. Everything prior to verse 14 is talking about YHVH GOD.
I like your phrase “the eternal dance of love”, but that just as easily applies to the factual truth that the Trinity, as it is described by Trinitarians, does NOT exist. GOD is GOD, Yeshua Messiah is GODs Only Begotten Son and the Holy Spirit is YHVH GODs HOLY SPIRIT.
GOD is a Person. Yeshua is a Person.
The Holy Spirit is NOT a Person. And yes there is an “eternal dance of love” between them.
Yeshua was made by His GOD and Father here on earth during the Immaculate Conception. That is what the word begotten means. Yeshua lives in eternity future but He did not live in eternity past. Prior to Yeshua’s conception He only existed in YHVH GODs foreknowledge. A foreknowledge that caused YHVH GOD to Create the entire Universe for Yeshua Messiah’s purpose. When YHVH GOD opened the Heavens HE was not opening them upon HIMSELF, HE was opening them on HIS Only Begotten Son.
So when YHVH GOD sent the Holy Spirit like a dove to descend upon Him, in the Jordon river, Yeshua’s GOD and Father would naturally exclaim, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”!What makes Trinitarians distinct is that they must confuse and conflate the who’s and the what’s of their own doctrine of the Holy Trinity.
Unitarian Oneness believers have no such problem because we know who and what the three spoken of in the Holy Trinity are and we do NOT have to make up fairy stories to try to explain something incomprehensible when it is perfectly comprehensible to any who wish to listen and hear!I hope this helps!
Thank you for responding, but I disagree with you on a lot of things you said, because scripture is disagreeing with you.
The verse in John 1:1 is talking about the Lord Jesus as the eternal word. Jesus was in the the text from verse one. The whole point of the gospel of john--just like all of the gospels--is to point to Jesus and who He was and what He said.
In fact, these verses "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men" clearly is talking about and declaring bluntly about Jesus being with God, and also being God Himself. Existing with God, and not just as foreknowledge. This is talking about the Great I am. I agree with you on that.
He is the only Begotten, and that means that He is eternally existing with an eternal God constantly in communion with Him, and the Holy Spirit stirs up this love in the eternal dance. The only way for Jesus to be the only Begotten to an eternal God is to be eternally Begotten, which magnifies love of God.
Here is proof below.
Jesus said He is the "I am" and this is a claim to always BE. If he was not self-existing then we would be worshiping an idol. The verse below gives credibility to that, and this also contradicts the thought that Jesus was just a thought in God's mind. Jesus existed with the Father.
"Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple"
John 8:58-59
He existed before He was born in the immaculate conception.
The Trinity is there from the beginning.
Then God said, “Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness..."
Genesis 1:26
Creation would only make sense if God is Trinity, which He is. He did not create out of loneliness, which a Unipersonal God would, but He created out of an outpour of HIs love for His Son, who was "..with God...and..was God..." which a Tripersonal God does.
To say that He was thinking and creating the foundations of the world for Jesus by thinking of Jesus as a created being would be saying that God created for solely for His creation. He created out of an overflow of love for His Son that has been going on for eternity.
If they do "have an eternal dance of love"--like you agreed upon--then they have existed together before the foundation of the world.
By the way, I know that there is a emotional barrier between you and I because of the lack of physical interaction, but I am not angry or anything I just wanted to talk. I think it is alright to disagree about things and talk about them.
+Joshua Chavez --- Trinitarians are lying when they use the John 8:58 example as their evidence, because, the phrase that is used in John 8:58 is NOT the same phrase that is used in Exodus 3:14.
Genesis 1:26 can have many different meanings, even most Trinitarian scholars believe the “our” is a “royal we”.
You --- Creation would only make sense if God is Trinity, which He is. He did not create out of loneliness, which a Unipersonal God would, but He created out of an outpour of HIs love for His Son, who was "..with God...and..was God..." which a Tripersonal God does.
Me --- That is just an emotional opinion with no proof of
its validity.
Please answer these two questions. à
1. Is GOD a Person?
2. Does GOD know who GOD is?
NONSENSE IT'S NOT SUCH A THING AS TRINIT6Y WHO IS PAGAN RELIGION.
Anyone here after watching the Matrix?
The title is misleading. It should be, "Defending the idea of a Triune God, Trinity."
And, in the conversation it is said clearly that without a Triune God, the universe fall apart. This shows the truth that Trinity only can be defended by those who regardless of its existence believe in it but cannot be explain it.
The truth is it was an invented idea centuries after Jesus (God's peace be upon him). None of the Old Testament prophets mentioned Trinity, and so assume they missed on it is a blasphemy in it self.
My only reason why I don't believe in Trinity, now this is not to say that I hate trinitarians or anything of that nature; it's just they don't realize that when they are using scripture to try and confirm Trinity or to confirm that Christ is God they completely and utterly announced such as Proverbs chapter 7 and 8 on the personification of God's wisdom being a woman and our sister they use that as a euphemism but they want to personify the euphemistic approach of the holy Spirit empowering us and outpouring on to us. Where the holy Spirit if you read Ezekiel chapter 1 through 28 is actually debatable on it being a personification because even though God's spirit is able to open up our will and our understanding it doesn't speak and it always has to work under direction it can't exist by itself without having God generated from out of his very being on to Jesus and Jesus generating it from his very being on to us so really there isn't a trinity if you read scripture. Trinity is an added idea not a emphatic fact because it has to be theorized onto the page it has to be put on the page where if you were to read a written page in the Bible you won't be able to find trinity not by word or definition that's my only rejection of it.
There's no substantiability for Trinity it had to be shoehorned and said it was fact because the argument was so extensive; so the whole thing on God is love being a triune God how do you get past the fact that God doesn't divide his glory among anyone? Where all of a sudden it got to get a change of heart? He never did God is unchanging Christ is only a propitiation by means of only the scriptures themselves he's an appointed King like King Hezekiah and King Josiah and every King that sat upon the throne of Israel was Elohim they were not God in Divinity or nature so how is Jesus divine in nature if he himself had to be exalted had to be brought back to life from the dead had to be given power and authority in heaven and earth. So really that alone defeats the non contextual teaching of Trinity.
Now the argument of the deity of Christ where I've seen the accusation passed around where people have the man's mindset of should the Sun be coming from the father they are of equal and exact expression where in fact we must understand that God is a spirit and he makes his angels spirits, John 4:24 even says that God is a spirit himself a spirit person so if he's a person he's not as ostentatiously beyond our understanding as Trinity would teach to try and confirm this conglomerate God system.
Another thing that's taken out of context is Revelation chapter 1 where they confuse the alpha and Omega for being Jesus where in fact the Bible in all of its entirety says that Jesus is the coming King and Messiah if we recognize the plurality of Elohim to mean only the human aspect it would mean that Jesus is no more of God than Moses was or Hezekiah. Basically Jesus is just proving the fact that he is the coming King to rule the world and to bring order to the Earth according to the context of the Bible.
So he wouldn't be the exact essence of God because that would mean that we too are the essence of God so there's a lot wrong with the Trinity theology then anything can comprehend because even theologians that believe in Trinity say that the Trinity is not biblical but it's biblical that to me creates a god of distortion if it's not in the Bible but it is a part of the Bible....That's why I thoroughly cannot accept this.
There is only ONE being that is God. There are 3 persons in that one being. They are not 3 different beings. They as persons can love.
@tommycapps9903 What verse says this?
@@TheCaledonianBoy - 1 John 5: 7 Matthew 28:19-20
@@tommycapps9903 1 John 5:7 is a fabrication. And baptismal formula doesn't undo monotheism lol
Also, this is in strict contradiction to the first commandment... you obviously don't know this because you're an idolator that will likely die on this Paganism and go to hell for it so chances are in favour of you never learning.
Christianity violates the first 2 commandments.
This is gibberish.
Greek Paganism is entertainment at best. In other words, and as so you eloquently put it, gibberish. But to a Pagan, this is like Beethoven or Mozart conducting a symphony. To the people of hellfire, they laugh and dance and sing and play the drums and piano and churches celebrating the fact that they're going to an eternal fire.
I are not a Christian, i are not an educated one , i can read and write . I do accept the trinity formula . There is a circulation within the one God, Father Son and the Holyghost, these three cannot be without the other. There is no preacher in the world that says prayers using the Trinity. God is not angry at human applying the word Trinity to GOD.
@davidlingaard860 God is the ultimate complete being who needs no one. Nobody can add anything to Him that He does not already posses in abundance.
God does not need to be divided up into a 3 person God in order to accomplish anything.
There is one God and He is the Father, only the Father. Jesus is His only-begotten Son and the holy spirit is his powerful force that He uses to do things and often allows others to use also.
Not even one of them opened the bible to respond.
One of the downsides of listening to these Reformed guys is that they know so much about scripture that they are able to reference truths in scripture without citing the specific texts that support them. The reason I say this is a downside is because listeners like us often don't have that same level of expertise. I implore you to check every single claim they make with the Bible. Their claims are only truthful as long as they are grounded in scripture. From what I have heard from them (not just this video), however, they are more faithful to the Bible than most other theologians.
Is the problem that they didn't open the Bible? Or that they didn't quote the bible
Praise be unto the Triune...
Bala, spirit of Creation. Dialon, spirit of Determination and Mefis, spirit of Love. Cast away your false Idols and join the one true religion!