Are We Right about the Trinity? John 1:1-3
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- This week we are joined by Christian apologist and Pastor Mike Winger to learn more about the christian view of the trinity. Using the book of John, Pastor Mike evaluates the doctrine of the trinity and carefully explains what it means for Christians to have one God who is Father, Son, and Spirit.
GOD IS ONE...LITERALLY!
All of Reality is One
Jesus said that when a man and woman marry they become one flesh.
Joh 20:17 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" -Christ
And then several verses later, Thomas calls Jesus "Lord and God" in John 20:28
@@colin_priest REFUTING TRIUNE GOD WORSHIPERS' DECEPTIVE ARGUMENTS
Joh 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"TRINITARIANS CLAIM THAT THOMAS BELIEVED JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE HE CALLED JESUS HIS GOD.
RESPONSE:
Scriptures prove that the use of the word GOD is not limited to "GOD THE FATHER"
EXAMPLES:
2Co 4:4 In whom the God [theos] of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God [theos], should shine unto them.
Both Gods in 2 Cor 4:4 means the same but we know that one is the devil.
G2316
θεός
theos
theh'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].
Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God [eloheem] standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the Gods [eloheem].
Exo_7:1 And YHVH said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God [eloheem] to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
TRIUNE GOD WORSHIPERS ALSO CLAIM THAT AFTER THOMAS EXCLAIMED "MY LORD , MY GOD"...THAT JESUS AGREED WITH THOMAS ...THAT THOMAS WAS RIGHT TO BELIEVE HE IS GOD.
BUT HERE IS THE TRUTH:
Joh 20:29 Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
Jesus told Thomas he has believed....BELIEVED WHAT? THAT HE IS GOD? NO! THOMAS BELIEVED THAT HE IS RISEN and alive...that is why he let Thomas insert his finger on him.
BECAUSE IF YOU WILL READ IN THE PREVIOUS VERSES BEFORE JOHN 20:29... THE FIRST TIME Jesus appeared to the disciples Thomas was not with them.
Joh 20:24 Now Thomas, one of the Twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord." But he said to them, "UNLESS I SEE IN HIS HANDS THE MARK OF THE NAILS AND PLACE MY FINGER INTO THE MARK OF THE NAILS, and place my hand into his side, I WILL NEVER BELIEVE.."
@@colin_priest Lord and god are used for magistrates and angels.
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Great explanation. Thank you Mike for taking the time to put this sermon together to help us understand who God is. I love the little jokes, and your humor. God bless you.
I think half the people commenting here, simply paused the video and never listened to a word.
Maybe they need the longer video.
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Yea. These Unitarians seem to avoid tackling clear scriptures explaining Jesus’s deity with verses that are explained by the doctrine of the trinity.
@@lisachambers3683 Trinity isn’t in the Bible because it is a term to describe what is in the Bible. It’s like omniscient or omnipresent. As for deity, here you go:
“See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,”
Colossians 2:8-9 ESV
@@lisachambers3683 the Bible describes Jesus, the Father, and the Spirit as the one true God.
@@lisachambers3683 yes. Jesus is a part of the Godhead.
John 13 : 20 " I tell you the truth, whoever accepts anyone I send
accepts me ; and whoever accepts me accepts the One who sent me."
The "ONE" who "SENT" me. One is the SENDER, and one is the.."SENT." Amen!
Denis Sutherland, Are you trying to prove that this verse is about Trinity? Just curious.... Thanks....
Joseph Durraz He's talking about agency. When prophets spoke the words given them by Yahweh, they spoke with the authority of Yahweh himself. "The word WAS God." The word of God is the authority of God. The person speaking it is not Yahweh, is not God himself. He is the authorized agent to bring God's authoritative word. If Jesus sends others to speak the same words of God, they are likewise agents of God's authority. If a person rejects God's words, they reject God himself, for "the word WAS God." Is God.
No, he is not trying to prove trinity.
@@hellisalie1138, Oh I see... but the topic is about Trinity, and I cannot figure out what he is trying to prove... So I thought he was trying to prove that the Trinity exists.... Why do you say hell is a lie? Please tell me what do you believe... Thanks....
Joseph Durraz Hi friend, thanks for the question. Usually people just jump to the part where they tell me i'm going to hell for not believing eternal torment is real, haha!
It's difficult to encapsulate the deconstruction of 1,600 years of tradition in a tidy paragraph or two, but i'll do my best.
The first problem is what it says about the Most High God. The whole counsel of scripture gives an understanding of God as being the pinnacle of wisdom, of justice, of mercy, of long-suffering, and of lovingkindness. Is an eternal existence in fire a just penalty for human sin? For even the worst, most wicked human who ever lived? The same God whose law to Moses required strict adherence to just punishmnents to be exacted on lawbreakers among the Hebrews? "An eye for an eye" is a fair punishment, it is equal to the offense. Does God require of man that he be more just than himself? Never, because clearly man can do nothing better than the Almighty, who formed him out of the dust. Eternal torment is so far outside of the realm of fair justice as to be utterly ridiculous, and a great offense to the God of true Justice. Such cruelty is literally unfathomable, and maligns the nature of Yahweh as revealed to us to a shameful and repugnant degree.
The foundation for the structure of the doctrine of eternal torment was the introduction of the belief in the inherent immortality of the soul, which is not taught in scripture. It entered early doctrine through the surrounding Greek culture, and the Grrek education that scholars received in the lands conquered by Alexander. Greece was imported to all of their annexed nations. It is for this reason that the original New Testament manuscripts are all written in Greek.
Educated converts to Christianity, in the esrly centuries after Jesus's day, were well-versed in the Greek classics and great philosophers. Their writings reveal the deepest respect and admiration for Plato, in particular.
These intellectual converts took elements of Platonic ideas and wove them into their understanding of scripture. For instance, Plato was a trinitarian. Plato was also an avid proponent and apologist for the belief in the immortality of the soul, which he taught would live on forever after the body died. This synthesis of Greek philosophy with Christian belief was not uncommon among the early "church" developers of more sophisticated (complicated) doctrines, because they disdained the simple faith of the uneducated masses that comprised most of the early "church."
This is how the belief in the immortality of the soul found its way into the belief structure of what would become the Roman Catholic church.
If everyone accepts this belief, then it isn't hard to see how punishment for the unbeliever, at the Judgment, would necessarily have to be endless, if the soul cannot die.
The misleading interpretations of the Greek words "aion, aionios, and aionion" as "eternity, eternal, everlasting," etc., only add to the confusion. "Aion" meams "age," not eternity. "Aionion" means "of an age," meaning some quality or chacteristic or event OF a paricular age (aion). These words do not translate as "forever."
John 3:16 says that "whosoever believeth on him should not PERISH, but have aionion life," or life in the age to come, as opposed to death in that age, which will be final. Death will be total and irrevocable (the "second death"), and as such, you could say that it will last forever, or be "eternal."
People will say, "Well what about THIS verse? Or THAT verse? Smoke of their torment rising forever? Worm dieth not?" and so on.
It is a huge knot to unravel, verse by verse, and this is already very long. I recommend searching youtubes on the subject, about why eternal torment is not scriptural, and can be refuted verse by verse. Many MANY Christians are coming to this understanding.
Preachers and orthodox apologists will start out by saying "Cults like Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists believe this heresy that there is no eternal torment," which instantly poisons the well and discourages any believer from even researching the origins of the doctrine of hell. But i am just a simple Bible-believing follower of Jesus, and servant of the Most High God. And truth is truth, regardless of who does or does not believe it.
I'm sorry this is so long! There is no short answer, and i have only scratched the surface of this deeply-embedded tradition of man. May the Living God bless you on your path, in Yeshua!
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:26 KJV
1 Corinthians 2 : 10 - 16 But God revealed it through his Spirit, for the Spirit explores all things, even the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of man unless the spirit of man which is in him? So no one ever knew the things of God except the Spirit of God. It is not the spirit of the world that we have received, but the Spirit which comes from God, so that we may know the things given to us by the grace of God. The things we speak we do not speak in words taught by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual things to spiritual people. A man who has no life but physical life cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God. To him they are foolishness and he cannot understand them, because it takes the Spirit to discern them. But a spiritual man exercises his judgment on the value of all things, but he himself is under no man’s judgment. For who ever understood the mind of the Lord so as to be able to instruct him? BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.
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AMEN! WHERE IS THE NAME OF JESUS! THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES TO WHICH EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW INHEAVEN ON EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH YES IT'S MISSING.
IF YOU DON'T GET THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS THEN YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.
Revelation 5:8-14
New King James Version
Worthy Is the Lamb
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made [a]us kings[b] and priests to our God;
And [c]we shall reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and [d]ever!”
14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the [e]twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped [f]Him who lives forever and ever.
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HOW SIGNIFICANT CAN “GOD IS THREE BUT ONE”?
THE TRINITY as defined: Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is all one: their glory equal, their majesty co-eternal and almighty. God is three in one.-Athanasian Creed 5th Century CE
Firstly, YOU as an ordinary layman, do you personally agree? Most Christian strongly believe this without any knowledge of its origins. However, early Bible believers would quote Mark 13:32 ASV, which says,
“But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”
They would ask: ‘How can the Father and Son be equal, same and of one substance when the Son doesn’t know what father only knows?
Till now, framers of the Trinity, are still baffled,helpless and confused on this. However, earlier believers would reason on his words when …Jesus Christ many a times acknowledged his subordination to the Father. Do you ever hear these words of his read in church? For example, Jesus said:
“Father is greater than I am..” John 14:28 ASV
Again, Trinitarian believes Jesus is equal to God. But Jesus stated his father is greater than him. Doesn’t Jesus' words help you to understand how misleading the Trinity is? Additionally, compare yourselves with what earlier Christian Bible believers would ask: Why, Jesus further showed submission to his Father, when he prayed:
“Father, …remove this cup from me; nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” Luke 22:42 KJV
Early Christians may further ask, Why does Jesus say that in his prayer, “not my will, but thine”? They know he is not praying to himself. Early Christian in Bible times know that Jesus doing not his will but ‘his father’s will’ was very important.
Finally, however, with a few “significant” reasoning, proving the Trinity doctrine is really confusing, misleading and mostly unscriptural. NOT A BIBLICAL TEACHING
John 14:18 " I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you. Clearly Jesus is the comforter the Mighty God the Everlasting Father Prince of peace Isaiah 9:6.
I may have to listen to this again but I truly appreciate you reiterating these points. Being raised as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I truly struggle with understanding this & grasping the idea of the Trinity. I’m trying but it’s exceptionally difficult for me to wrap my head around it. So I thank you for repeating & breaking it down, hopefully one day it’ll click for me.
For more understanding of the doctrine of God's Trinity, oblige yourself e-book download of "Jesus and the Trinity: What Many Believers Don't Know" from these platforms: order@pageturner.us/ amzn.to/3cljntB/ and adedejidavidadeoye.org. People have issue with the doctrine because they don't know how the soul of man originated, and its great contributions to understanding the concept of the Trinity of God from the trinity of man.
Cheyhorse 03 as long as you don't understand it there's hope. If you think it's clicked with you, then you've been deceived. Search out your roots for the truth.
@@staceygrove7295 why do you say this? I wrote this nearly a year ago. Since, I’ve prayed about it & come to an understanding of it. I am curious as to why you respond the way you do.
@@cheyhorse0382 I write because God wants everyone to come to know him, and Satan has used every sort of deceptive doctrine to prevent people from doing this. Jesus foretold the apostasy from the true teachings he taught people, in his illustration about the fine wheat and the weeds. He told the disciples that the enemy of man sowed the weeds amongst the fine wheat, but not to uproot them lest they pull up some of the fine wheat with the weeds. It is thought the weeds he was talking about were bearded darnel, which initially looks a lot like wheat. Jesus told the disciples that when the wheat is ready for harvesting then they would be able to tell the fine wheat from the weeds. This bearded darnel then looks very different at this stage from genuine wheat.(Matthew 13:25-30). The Apostles too warned of the Apostasy (Acts20:29,30, 1 Timothy 4:1-32, Timothy 4:3,4. Tickling the ears was necessary to convert pagans back in the post-Apostolic times to convert them to the corrupt form of 'Christianity' that had developed, and included accepting pagan beliefs in order to encourage them into the church. Other such teachings being the immortality of the soul, Easter, and Christmas. There are indeed many more teachings and many more scriptures about the coming apostasy, but please look into the above for yourself for the time being. The fact that many ancient cultures such as the ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, etc had trinities of gods should be evidence enough that the teaching had a pre-Christian beginning. Please look into these things it is essential if you want to truly know God and how he wants to be worshipped acceptably. If you go to www.jw.org you will find a lot of information on all of the above. Have a good day.
You fail to understand it because it's not the truth. You know withing you it's a false pagan teaching.
Can you please explain how you understand that John 1:1-3 explains 3? I see two personages: The Word (who later became JC-The Son) and God (The Father)
I see two Gods.
@@lesliesavage9229 Yes-TWO Gods!
@@Christine-vg2zv :)
Ya theres not 1 or 3 . Theres 2
Jw got it write when they translate it as word was a god
John also writes at verse 18 no man has seen God at anytime
This rules jesus out as almighty God
JEHOVAH gets the Lions Share ? Hence no trinity
Brother Mike I like your teaching but please read the below point and hopefully you will consider and review your teaching.
1. If the monotheism position on the Trinity, “one God manifesting Himself as three persons” is
valid, how can one God have two wills? Did Jesus petition another manifestation of
Himself in the Garden? “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my
will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42,
2. Did the Father send a manifestation of Himself to Earth or did He send another Deity
who had a will of His own, a Deity who was separate and distinct from Himself? Jesus
told the Jews, “For I have come down from Heaven not to do My will but to do the
will of Him who sent Me.” (John 6:38, )
3. Did the Father speak about His love for Himself when Jesus was baptized or did the
Father speak about His love for another member of Deity? “Then a cloud appeared
and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: ‘This is my Son, whom I
love. Listen to him!’ ” (Mark 9:7, )
4. During His final moments on the cross, did Jesus cry out to another manifestation of
Himself with a question? “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice,
‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?’ - which means, ‘My God, my God, why have You
forsaken me?’ ” (Mark 15:34, )
5. Paul said that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead. Did the Father raise up a
manifestation of Himself or did the Father restore life to a member of Deity who willingly
gave up His eternal life so that sinners could have it? “Paul, an apostle, (not of men,
neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised Him from the
dead.)” (Galatians 1:1, )
6. Jesus says that He was once dead and is now alive forever more. (Revelation 1:18) If
Jesus is a separate member of Deity who willingly gave up His eternal life so that
sinners could have it, the price of our redemption exceeds calculation. On the other
hand, if Jesus is a mere manifestation of the Father, God’s sacrifice for our sins
amounts to just suffering. Said another way, if the penalty for sin is death, God did not
pay the penalty for our sins because God Himself could not die (cease to exist) on the
cross and then resurrect Himself.
7. Finally, if there is one God who manifests Himself as three persons, why did the Father
search through the whole universe only to determine that another manifestation of
Himself (Jesus) was worthy to receive the book sealed with seven seals? (See
Revelation 5.) This prophetic story highlights the core issue between the doctrine of
monotheism (one God) and tritheism (three Gods). If the Father found Himself worthy to
take the book sealed with seven seals, what is the point of His search of the universe
only to give Himself the book which He wrote? If monotheism is true and there is only
one God, then Revelation 5 becomes a divine sham and we know this is not possible!
“Let God be true and every man a liar.” (Romans 3:4) God is honest and always
above any hint of reproach.
When considering the previous seven issues, the idea of one God manifesting Himself as three
persons creates many logical and textual problems for which there are no solutions. The
greatest problem I have with monotheism is that the Bible is put into a position where it cannot be understood just as it reads.
If a Bible reader is willing to consider the idea that the Godhead (the Trinity) is made up of
three separate Gods who are united as one Deity, serving creation as one God in purpose,
plan, and action, the entire Bible will make perfect sense just as it reads. When people reach or
support conclusions built on religious bias, insufficient samples, inadequate knowledge, or
maligned opinions, these conclusions create many insurmountable problems and questions
resulting in confusion and more division.
Paul said The father raised him from the dead, but Jesus also said that HE will raise himself from the dead. God the father says I am the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end, the first and the last. JESUS said those exact words in revelation😊
@@ryanlindback9393messiah was given authority to do so by the father… when all his enemies are under his feet he gives authority back to the father and worships along side us…..as far as beginning and end messiah is again speaking on behalf of the father…reread that part of revelation…. The whole chapter slowly 🥰
@@ryanlindback9393 Jesus spoke God's words, and, of course, God is the one who raised Jesus from the dead--see Acts 13:30. Jesus said plainly that he spoke the Father's words, not his own. Consider John 14:10; 12:49; 10:38; 8:28, 38.
John 10:30 I and the father are one.
John 17:21 that all of them may be one, is you father are in me, and I am in you. May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me
Always, always get the context of the scriptures by reading the scriptures before and after that....
So you're saying Jesus is Not God.
17:21 and 10:30 are very different contextually. Just because its the same book does not imply the same context
JOHN 10:30 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON BEING ONE GOD OR ONE BEING!.
BUT IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE WONDERFUL DEEDS YAHUSHA WAS DOING WHICH IS ALSO WHAT HIS FATHER DOES.
IN OTHER WORDS:
THEY ARE ONE IN MIGHTY DEEDS, NOT BECAUSE YAHUSHA IS THE FATHER YAHUWAH BUT BECAUSE THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS IN HIM.
READ IN CONTEXT:
Joh 10:30 The Father and I are one."
Joh 10:37 If I don't do what my Father does, then don't believe what I say.
Joh 10:38 But if I DO WHAT MY FATHER DOES, you should believe in what I do. You might not believe in me, but you should believe in the things I do. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father."
"ONE" AS IN UNITED IN PURPOSE! NOT ONE ENTITY OR BEING!
Joh 17:11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that THEY MAY BE ONE , EVEN AS WE ARE ONE.
Joh_14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me WILL ALSO DO THE WORKS THAT I DO; AND GREATER WORKS THAN THESE WILL HE DO, because I am going to the Father.
@@mcb5602 you quote a lot from John 17. Care to recite verse 5?
@@domblack6288or verse 3...
God is one and He operates in different ways, He has many functions, He works as Father and Holy Spirit, The Son was the man that God was in.
The blind leading the blind, have mercy on them Father.
Wonderful study on Trinity.
God bless you abundantly.
WHAT DO JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BELIEVE - ”In the beginning was the Word mean at John 1:1?
The Bible Answers
THE WORD OR JESUS IS THE BEGINNING
Basically the definition of the word 'beginning' means (Oxford dictionary - noun, the point in time or space in which something starts) In this context, it is the beginning of Creation.
Meaning “ the WORD”in time, has a starting point, came into existence, or was created. Jesus or the Word was the “beginning of creation, begotten, first name of all creation” by Jehovah God the Creator himself.
Colossians 1:15 - KJV…’the image of the invisible God,the firstborn of every creature’:
Revelation 3:14 - KJV …’the beginning of the creation by God:
John 3:16 - KJV…for God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son’...
Proverbs 8:22 -ASV…’Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way’...
Those verses confirm that Jesus had a beginning. He, as the Word, existed before other spirit creatures and the physical universe were created.The Word or Jesus was besides his father always.
“Proverbs 8:30 ASV..30 Then I was by him, as a master workman; And I was daily his delight,….
John 17:5-ASV … So now, Father, glorify me alongside you before the world was.
JEHOVAH GOD HAS NO BEGINNING AND NO END.
He remains Almighty God the Father, the Creator of Jesus, He did not change to be nor being equal to Jesus.
Psalms 90:2 ASV- ‘From everlasting to everlasting, you are God’.# “‘from eternity to eternity you are God”
Isaiah 40:28 ASV ‘The everlasting God, Jehovah, the Creator of the ends of the earth…
Habakkuk 1:12 ASV ‘Art not thou from everlasting, O Jehovah my God, my Holy One?.
Malachi 3:6 Byington Bible ‘For I Jehovah have not changed,’
He remained to be Jehovah.
The Trinity rendering, Was the Word or JESUS co-equal with God?, NO.
Jesus as the beginning of creation was with God Jehovah his father. Jesus did not create or beget himself. From then on Jesus was not co-equal to God and was Jesus always.
Hebrew 13:8 ASV…Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and forever.
John 14:28 ASV …’because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I’.
Philippians 2:6 ASV…’ who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
IN THE BEGINNING THE WORD WAS …and THE WORD WAS GOD
SCRIPTURAL REASONING ON JOHN 1:1
1st Misconception:Should the last phrase in John 1:1 be translated “the Word was God.”
Fact: In the original-language text, the two occurrences of “God” (Greek, the·osʹ) at John 1:1 are grammatically different. In the first occurrence, the word “God” is preceded by the Greek definite article, while the article does not appear before the second occurrence. Many scholars note that the absence of the definite article before the second the·osʹ is significant.
For example, The Translator’s New Testament says regarding this absence of the article: “In effect it gives an adjectival quality to the second use of Theos (God) so that the phrase means ‘The Word was divine.’” Other scholars and Bible translations point to this same distinction.
2nd Misconception: The verse teaches that the Word is the same as Almighty God. ATrinitarian rendering.
Fact: The statement “the Word was with God” indicates that two separate persons are discussed in the verse. It is not possible for the Word to be “with God” and at the same time be God Almighty. The context also confirms that the Word is not Almighty God. John 1:18 states that “no man has seen God at any time.” However, people did see the Word, Jesus, for John 1:14 states that “the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory.”
Note: ‘Jehovah have not changed’ - Malachi 3:6 / ‘Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever’ - Hebrew 13:8
There are many other misconceptions in the Bible to prove that the Trinity Doctrine is in fact WRONG
God bless you brother mike
My answer is that the question was authoritatively answered by the Council of Nicea in 325. That's all the validation I need.
Those "counsils" will not help you--only GOD'S word.
@@raygsbrelcik5578 You are obviously completely ignorant of the role of Church Councils in clarifying God's Word. The earliest delineation of the current 27 books making up the New Testament was by Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria in 367. That list of 27 books was ratified at the Third Council of Carthage in 397 making those books the official New Testament (which you now use). It must be noted that Martin Luther succeeded in altering the Old Testament Canon, and attempted to alter the New Testament Canon by eliminating James, Hebrews, and Revelation, along with changing some wording elsewhere. The New Testament didn't drop from the sky, but was formed over a period of over nearly 350 years between Paul's earliest writing (I Thessalonians, CA 52-52AD) and the Third Council of Carthage at the end of the 4th century. All this is historical fact! Doctrine as to the very nature of Christ was hammered out in successive Ecumenical Councils through the 5th century.
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Mat 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col 2:22
Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
1Ti 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Heb 13:9
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein
Good job
Why is the doctrine of the trinity necessary for Christianity, anyway? I struggle with this question. To follow up, if a person believes that Christ was a man, was the son of God, performed all the miracles described in the Bible as an agent of God, was maybe in existence in heaven with God before man, and so forth, but does not believe in the divinity of Christ, where does that person fall? Christian (destined for heaven for eternity) or Not Christian (destined for hell for eternity)?
The Lord JESUS CHRIST clearly said: “I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for unless you shall believe that I AM THE LIVING GOD, you shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24 Aramaic translation).
GOD is the only one who can save us and NO ONE else (Deuteronomy 32:39). If The Lord JESUS CHRIST was only a man HE can not saved us as it is written "No man can possibly redeem his brother or pay his ransom to God.
PrintOfLife , this passage is so ambiguous. Jesus constantly says that the father sent him, the father is with home, and the father has not left him. It can just as easily be interpreted to evidence that the father and Jesus are separate. Of this is such a central tenant of Christianity, you would think that Jesus would not be so ambiguous about it.
Isaiah 9,5 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". His title is also MIGHTY GOD.
The Trinity is nonsense and Jesus is not God.
JEHOVAH is the ALMIGHTY GOD , The GOD OF GOD'S ? ? JESUS is the son of GOD a lesser god . Now a mighty god in the heavens ? ?
@@patrickpettyjr.2487 good luck with that.
@@lwmaynard5180 Saying, Jesus is a lesser God, contradicts everything in the Bible saying there is only one God.
LISTEN to JESUS when he said I'm going my way to the FATHER because the FATHER is Greater than I. That was his future goal . What's yours ? ?
Muslim here I have, couple questions.. What passage of the bible limitd god to three persons? Who decided 3? Can there potentially be a 4th on the way in the future? If not why?
There’s not one passage that sums up the trinity. Mike mentions the many passages that reveal the trinity in the video. As far as a “4th god”, the only mentions of other “gods” I know of is in Psalm 82, which “god” seems to be used as a title for earthy judges and priests. The only claim of big G “God” has been made by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Please visit TheLORDis(.)One. This pastor is deceived like 90% of pastors in these apostate last days. I'm not judging him as being a bad man--just deceived and unable to apply simply logic to his pagan, polytheistic trinity.
The trinity is a lie
You do so much better than some. I like how you mention the ugly points and thoughts behind them in their use.-Ernie Moore Jr.
Here is the “first” foundational truth, according to scripture.
These are the first words Jesus preached:
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Jesus taught repentance and baptism.
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
This is doctrinal truth!
WE ARE RIGHT , ARE YOU
At 41:58 you quote from 2 Cor 2:11. The passage is wrong. It should read: 1 Cor. 2:11. I found out about it, since I am making notes of what you say with the Scripture passages... :-)
thank you I was confused
To be absolutely HONEST, Mike, "Truly God--Truly man" is the very SAME thing as saying, 100% God--100% man."
And by the way--why did you think you had to "shuffle" around the definitions again, anyway? What I'm seeing MORE and MORE, is trinitatians scrambling to attempt making some kind of SENSE to their doctrine by ADDING 'new-fangled' words, and clever DICTION--including some BIG words taken out of the Hebrew or Greek that really do NOTHING in defending Trinity. I also see/hear a good measure of PHILOSOPHICAL RHETORIC that's intended to somehow QUALIFY this "Dark-Age" doctrine. You honestly thought "Truly God--Truly man" would supply more substantial 'grit' to the argument? Again; ONE GOD--ONE HOLY SPIRIT! It's really THAT simple! Jesus was "Born" of the "virgin Mary." Why must you turn this into Theologic Calculus? Well, no hard feelings. God bless you all in the coming year.
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Sorry, it is you that are unlearned in the scriptures. I have been following your remarks. Jesus is God Almighty. And the Triune God is the God of the Bible.
@@jamest1411 Mr. "JAMES T," I cordially, and respectfully invite you to introduce your apologetic. But please remember, I do not tolerate harsh put-downs, and blatant disrespect of ones charactor--the LORD GOD HIMSELF is listening--let's keep that in mind. Thank you, good brother.
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Already done that with you. You failed to address not one single issue of the scriptures provided to you that Jesus is Jehovah. Jehovah is Almighty God.
Mike you are brilliant by the grace of God bc you make the argument for the wisdom of God using the Greek OT text (LXX) and the very intentional design behind His keeping humanity free from the "Hebrew" for 1100y after Jesus was here *_and you do not even realize_* you have just made the arguments!! Yes. Indeed and FACT: God used Greek on purpose and we should not be anxious to overthrow the word and names Jesus manifested unto us *_in the Greek_* . God meant to do that.
I love God!
Thanks Mike.
John 1:1
1) drive.google.com/file/d/1A-MqX2_DlbzVqtdWtYRWJxahAL32RJDF/view?usp=drivesdk
2)
www.scribd.com/document/401322675/Grzegorz-Kaszyński-145-translations-not-rendering-theos-ēn-ho-logos-as-the-Word-was-God-John-1-1
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www.scribd.com/document/50330864/John-1-1-List-of-Alternate-Readings
@@lisachambers3683
YOU: "in Greek it doesn't say Jesus is God"
vs
JESUS: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father"
You have been mortally misinformed. Jesus ABSOLUTELY refers to Himself as God by the VERY NAME OF GOD *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* , and it is so particularly CLEAR in the GREEK that He warns you and EVERYONE in John 8:24 that if you do not believe He is GOD, you will die in your sin!
Jesus point BLANK calls HIMSELF by the name of GOD of the Old Testament *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* several times:
Εἶπον οὖν ὑμῖν ὅτι ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν · ἐὰν γὰρ μὴ πιστεύσητε ὅτι *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν .
And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (Acts9:5)
the Jews knew EXACTLY what Jesus was saying about HIMSELF, "making Himself EQUAL with GOD" (John 5:18)
He refers to Himself as the Ancient of Days coming in the clouds
"Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (Mt 24:30, Mk13:26, Lk 21:27)
The High Priest rent his clothes when He heard the "blasphemy" of Jesus referring to HIMSELF as GOD:
But He held His peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, and said unto Him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
And Jesus said, I am *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?
(Mark 14:61-63)
The APOSTLES referred to Jesus as GOD:
Thomas:
And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God. (John 20:28)
ALL things were created by Him (John 1:3)
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour (!Tim 2:3)
and John 12:41 explains that it was JESUS that Isaiah saw in Isaiah 6...
so you are just confused and need a little more explanation about this stuff...
I'd look up Mike Heiser, he did a GREAT video on the distinct persons of the Jewish godhead... I'll post it after this comment... but don't be misled, Jesus is 100% God and 100% man!
he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (John 12:45)
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am *_ἐγώ εἰμι_*
Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (Jn 8:58-59)
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@@lisachambers3683 YOU: Jesus isn't the Creator God is"
vs
GOD: "All things were made by HIM; and without HIM was not any thing made that was made." (John1:3)
"In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
*_For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist_* (Col 1:14-18)
@@lisachambers3683 YOU: " I am he *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* means he is the Son of God
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GOD: Moses said to God, “Behold, when I come to the children of Israel, and tell them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you;’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ What should I tell them?” (Ex 3:13)
AND GOD SAID TO MOSES *_ἐγώ εἰμι_* EGO EIMI (Exodus 3:14)
you do not know what you are talking about.
if you do NOT believe Jesus ἐγώ εἰμι YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SIN (John 8:24)
So, who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
This video may help:
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Early Evidence for trinity by inspiring philosophy
In reference to Acts Chapter 5, Who did Christ say the Comforter is to His Disciples in John Chapter 14:16-17? Is it not the Spirit of Truth? If you know who the Truth is(John 14:6) shouldn’t be difficult to figure out that the Spirit belongs to Him because it’s the Spirit of Truth. Christ taught the Disciples the Comforter is to be called the Holy Spirit/Ghost so in the book of Acts whenever the Spirit or Holy Spirit is mentioned its who Christ says He is in John 14:17-23 which upon reading it’s not a literal third divine being
A trinity of persons was unknown in the apostolic church, but was hatched by the Nicene Council, and from that was introduced into the Roman Catholic church, and from that again into the churches separated from it.
The Bible itself gives us the doctrine of the trinity. Even if the word “trinity”
does not exist in the Bible
What’s your evidence?
@Dom Black my friend Angelkind is from mankind. That's true, for the Lord creates the spirits of angels in the midst of men on earth. No man, no Angel. Revelation 22:6-9. Amen 🙏. Thank you, Lord Jesus Christ 🙏 ❤️ 🙌. Amen 🙏
@@davegink9222 You are deceived. PLEASE use your common sense and quit interpreting the Bible based upon your indoctrination. Why. why, why would there be any need for three omnipotent persons??? It's not even possible, If I am all powerful then no one else can be, simple logic.
wow, just wow. Prayers for you sir
Don't just watch "You-Tube" videos, precious one, "study to show thyself APPROVED..."
Dorothy B Mystery solved:
The example is given in the “family” unit which God created.
There is the Father, Mother and children, each having a “position”.
There can be five members in a family, but they are still ONE family. Families are identified by their last name.
The Bible teaches in both Old and New Testament there is only ONE God.
The Father is God and Jesus is God (Emanuel, God with us, Matt). It appears that there are two Gods, the Father and the Son.
But if you realize that “God” is the last name, the Bible makes perfect sense.
Abba (name), Father (position) God (last name.
Jesus Christ (name), Son (position), last name God.
We now have ONE family of God, with two members. Still ONE family of God.
The Father is God And the Son is God, but different positions in the same family. My Father is greater than I.
John 1:18 explains the Father and the Son.
No man has seen God (the Father) at any time (except), the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE HATH DECLARED HIM (KJV).
What many do not realize is that John 1:1 is a genealogy of the male Lenaiage of the family of God.
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father) and the Word (Jesus) was God (the Son),
The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father).
3 All things were made (created) by him (Jesus) and without him (Jesus) not anything was made that was made.
Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.
We have to trust scripture. Jesus was created by Father God, that’s why he’s called the Son of God. Then the Father gave the position and authority to Jesus to create everything in this heaven (sky) and earth. Continue reading Col. 1:15-20.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he (Father God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
John 17:3 says And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.
The word “trinity” is not written in scripture. God does not just imply words and doctrines.
Jesus first speaks every true doctrine beginning with a word and then Peter to the Jews and Paul the the Gentiles and John the apostle that Jesus loved are witnesses, which means they teach the same doctrine.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
If it’s not written, it’s not truth!
This is the case for the word “trinity”. It’s
not written or interpreted in English in any version of the Bible and it’s
not taught by Jesus or witnessed by his apostles, folks that simply means it is a false doctrine taught in Christianity!
The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses my word would be established.
When Jesus was baptized the heavens were opened and Father God spoke about his Son, saying:
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus as a dove.
The dove was a symbol of God’s Spirit. If the Spirit were a person why would God use a dove as a symbol? He wouldn’t! How could a person come upon Jesus? He couldn’t!
The Holy Spirit is God the Father’s Spirit, descending upon Jesus.
In John 1:1 the genealogy of God, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, only two people are, the Father and the Son. That’s why in Christianity it’s not taught as a genealogy.
1. If there is a third person why is he not
listed in the genealogy?
2. The Bible says no one has seen God the Father at any time except Jesus, that would include a third person.
3.Read the 1st chapter of Romans through Revelation (1st chapter) and you will see
The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not mentioned one time, with the Father and Son. (That’s because there is no 3rd person.
There is the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ and there is the Holy Spirit, which is the Fathers Spirit, not a third person.
The last example is when the Spirit of God came over Mary and she was found with child. This was not a third person of the trinity, this was the Father’s Spirit.
The teaching of “trinity” came from the Catholic Church. Pope, Catholic nor trinity is written in your Bible.
The Bible warns the whole world would be deceived.
@@rhondahauser6443 "If it’s not written, it’s not truth! " Jesus's name is not written in John 1: 1-14.-Ernie Moore Jr.
Twoo Harmony Jesus is the WORD, his name is written.
@@rhondahauser6443 Where is it that Jesus is written in John...Not the word word. the word "Jesus", John knew of Jesus and does not write that Jesus is in the beginning. Where are you getting that Jesus is the word besides people telling you. Are you saying the word Jesus is specifically written in John 1:1-5? Because it absolutely is not written that I noticed.-Ernie Moore Jr.
The word existed before Jesus was born and was not Jesus: 1 Samuel 9: 27; 1 Kings 12: 22. And Jesus is grown-up and the word of God is not Jesus: Luke 3: 2; Luke 5: 1;Luke 8: 11; Luke 8: 19; Luke 11: 28. Jesus is Ascended and the word of God is referred to and is not Jesus: Acts 4: 31, Acts 8: 14, 11: 1, 12: 24.-Ernie Moore Jr.
The word is/was made flesh, yet at conception there is no flesh. People add that in John, the word is Jesus. I'm just saying that John does not write that the word is Jesus and that in John, John does not write the name Jesus nor names the word as the name Jesus.-Ernie Moore Jr.
The words, "the FATHER is GREATER than I," are quite clear in their context; wouldn't YOU use them if YOU knew the SINGULAR nature of our GOD?
While in human form, as Jesus was separated from the father.
I'm going my way to the father , because the father is Greater than I ? The Christ is going away at a future time to recognize the superior STATUS OF HIS FATHER JEHOVAH . Listen to the Christ not to imperfect man ?
The first thing you need to do to believe in the trinity is to redefine the word god. All god means is supreme being. When Jesus said He was going to His God, John 20:17, He was saying He was going to His Supreme Being. Jesus also made the point that He is God by showing the Jews that they believed there are many gods, and that Jesus is one of them, John 10:34-38. People who teach the trinity go against these Scriptures. You will not find the Jesus being referred to as the One God, but you will find the father, 1 Corinthians 8:6.
John's gospel begins with a theological prologue that introduces its central character by underscoring (His) devine origins,idenity,and role in a new act of creation.(John 1:14). The concept of logos (word) enjoyed wide currency in ancient wisdom literature and philosophical circles both before and after the composition of John. Proverbs 8, for example metaphorically personified the wisdom of God. The stoics considered logos the rational force or principle underlying the universe. The primary meaning of ho logos (the word) in v.1 however, must be derived from its correlation with the creation narrative. The opening phrase," in the beginning" echoes the opening phrase of Genesis.
and it's poetic style in the thematic content, the prologue invites reflection on the logos role in the creation account.Logos can signify "reason", "communication"," utterance", "spoken word", " speech", " discourse", articulated plan, or "self-expression." this gospel employs special language indicating that Jesus came from and later returned to the Father a dynamic depiction of the incarnations scholars refer to as John's descent- ascent motif. John does not, however, invision Jesus as a separate ontological person apart from the Father, a theological construct that developed in Post New Testament thought.
Acts2:38 covenant this side of the cross.
@@lisachambers3683 amen Jesus is the son of God because God caused his conception when Miriam said be it unto me.
John:1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. No mention of Holy Sprit.
So what? How does that make the fact the the Spirit is God untrue?
Richard Walker
It's 1 John 1:3 that you quoted and you didn't see the Holy Spirit because you didn't the whole chapter book of 1 John.
1 John 5:7-8
7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
How about other verses with Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the Bible and all in the same verses?
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Matthew 3:16
“After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him.”
Matthew 12:28
“But if I [Jesus] cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”
Matthew 28:19
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit . . .”
Luke 3:22
“And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”
John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
John 15:26
“When the Helper comes, whom I [Jesus] will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me . . .”
Acts 1:4
“Gathering them together, He [Jesus] commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me . . .”
Acts 2:33
“Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.”
Acts 10:38
“You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”
Romans 1:4
“Who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord . . .”
Romans 8:9
“However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.”
1 Corinthians 6:11
Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
Galatians 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”
Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.
Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
Ephesians 2:22
In whom [Jesus] you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Titus 3:6
Whom [the Holy Spirit] He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior.
Hebrews 9:14
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
1 Peter 1:2
According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: may grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
@@rickdavis2235 God bless you CONTINUALLY brother!
The Tri-une Nature of God is in the Everey one book of the Bible, but ONLY if you are Born again by the Holy Spirit you will receive wisdom and revelation!
Jesus (the WORD/the MEMRA) in the O.T. Jeremiah 1:4-9, Genesis 3:8, Genesis 17:1......
The Holy Spirit in the O.T. Genesis 1:2 (Also when God appeared as CLOUD and FIRE - this is the Holy Spirit (the Shekhinah - the Visible Manifestation of the Holy Spirit)
Maranatha!
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Thank you. My church is having a bible study about finding Jesus and the Holy Spirit throughout the Old Testament.
God bless you too.
@@rickdavis2235 I hope this verse will help you bro! (Jesus in the O.T.)
Genesis 35:9 The God of eternity, whose name be Blessed for ever and ever, hath taught us precepts which are beautiful and statutes that are comely: He hath taught us the blessing of matrimony from Adam and his bride, as the scripture expoundeth. And the Word of the Lord blessed them, and the Word of the Lord said to them, Be strong and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it. He hath taught us to visit the afflicted, from our father Abraham the Righteous, when He revealed Himself to him in the plain of Vision, and gave him the precept of circumcision, and made him to sit in the door of his tent in the heat of the day; as the scripture expoundeth and saith, And the Word of the Lord revealed Himself to him in the plain of Vision. And again He hath taught us to bless those who mourn, from our father Jakob the Righteous: for He revealed Himself to him on his coming from Padan of Aram, when the way of the world had happened to Deborah, the nurse of Rivekah his mother, and Rahel died by him in the way, and Jakob our father sat weeping and bewailing her, and mourning and crying. Then wast Thou, O Lord of all worlds, in the perfection of Thy free mercies revealed to him, and didst comfort him, and blessing the mourners didst bless him concerning his mother, even as the scripture expoundeth and saith, The Word of the Lord revealed Himself unto Jakob the second time on his coming from Padan Aram, and blessed him.
Many blessings to all in your church in Jesus Name, Amen!
Finally the following decree was adopted: “From the deliberation of this council we have clearly seen and therefore acknowledge as holy truth, that in the Lord God the savior Jesus Christ there is a Divine trinity, namely, the Divine-from-which [a quo], which is called the Father, the Divine human which is called the son, and the Divine-going-forth which is called the Holy Spirit”; and together they cried out that: “In Christ dwelleth all the fullness of divinity bodily (Col. 2:9).
WhiteEagleCross Minix, Are you trying to say that Colossians 2:9 explains the Trinity? Please explain... Thanks...
@@josephdurraz8574 Also explain to me whether we are gods, because Jesus said we , us deciples, must become one with him as he is one with his/our Farther.
We as believers are to portray Christ through our lives. We should be the living thruth of his existance. It does not make us little gods.
I love the triune God - God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit !!!
Genesis 1 : 26
Matthew 3 : 16 - 17
John 3 : 1 - 20
Acts 1 : 1 - 8
The triune god is a fiction from paganism, not christian.
@@georgecard9590 Thank you George; you are in fact, correct. Bless you!
trinity is a fable taught by men
God doesn't believe it, so why do you?
Jesus Christ is Almighty God
@@sojourner-kl6ei Christ HAS the full "Anointing" of the FATHER, but he, HIMSELF is not God LITERALLY. There IS but ONE God--the FATHER. Jesus is the "Son." And there is but ONE "Holy Spirit." That "One" Holy Spirit is the FATHER alone! God bless you.
Only one person in Isaiah 44:6,8,24 KJV not three distinct persons
The TWO KEY issues here, Mike, are, how many (literal) Holy Spirits do you believe in, and just WHAT is a "Person" in this "Tri-unity?" Do you have enough wisdom to CLARIFY this word? I do not DISSECT my Mighty God; He is ONE--One LORD, ONE God, One Holy Spirit who REVEALED (showed-forth) Himself in and through His "Son." God does not BECOME something, much less a tiny little human being--what He DOES is "ANOINTS" by way of His Spirit (singular). God does not HAVE a Holy Spirit--He IS the (One and only) Holy Spirit! NOTHING makes MORE sense--scripturally--than THAT! God bless, and may you seek wisdom.
Ray Gabrelcik Do you believe in the Trinity?
Rhonda. Are you asking me if I believe in THREE ALMIGHTY HOLY SPIRITS?
Let me ask YOU a question, dear one. You may not understand it. Do YOU believe in a LITERAL Trinity, or a NON-literal Trinity? Hmmm.
Ray Gsbrelcik I believe that Jesus is God Matthew 1:23.
I believe the Father is God John 1:18 & 5:16
Not two Gods
Two positions (The Father and the Son) they are one family in heaven named God.
God the Son
God the Father
I believe the Holy Spirit is the Fathers Spirit, not another God or person.
I believe they are One God.
And John 1:-13 is a commentary
of Genesis 1 & 2 and 1John 1 is a contrary of John if you read the book of John and the book of 1John instead of a scripture here and there.
Let those English scriptures take you a little deeper in the Word of God.
I do not believe in the trinity, triune God as three persons, coequal! No!
I hope that answers your question.
Ray Gsbrelcik Is that the question I asked.
No
I asked if you believed in the trinity, from my understanding it is one God, 3 persons, coequal. That’s how wickipdia explains it.
I used to be a trinitarian in one of the world’s largest denominations for 53 years of my life right up until God had mercy on me and sent me his Holy Spirit. What does the Spirit have to say about this matter:
“At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for HIDING THESE THINGS FROM THOSE WHO THINK THEMSELVES WISE AND CLEVER, and for REVEALING THEM TO THE CHILDLIKE. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.” (Luke 10:21)
“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will NEVER ENTER the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 18:3)
According to scriptures we are to put all things to the test, right? (1 Thess. 5:21)
Now, remember that show, “Are you smarter than a 5th grader”? Anyone here smarter than a 5th grader? Take the test and find out.
The topic is based on the doctrine of the trinity. This doctrine declares the Godhead is triune being comprised of Father, Son and Holy Spirit who are “co-equal” with each other and “are all God”. Without being a bible scholar or having to twist scripture, this is really quite simple. Ready to play?
Elementary 5th grade reading and basic 2nd grade math show us the truth of this matter; hence being like a child just like our Lord said:
Open your Bible, go to the gospel of John and read the following verses for yourself: John 1:1-3. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Having established that BOTH the Father and the Son ARE God from what you just read, now read the following verses: John 5:17, 5:19, 5:20, 5:21, 5:22, 5:23, 5:26, 5:30, 5:36, 8:28, 12:50, 10:30, 14:6, 14:23, 14:28, 15:10, 17:3, 17:5, Rom. 1:1, Rom. 1:27, 1 Cor. 1:3, 1 Cor. 1:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-7, 1 Cor. 15:27-28, 2 Cor. 1:2-3, Eph. 1:2, 5:20, Philip. 1:2, Col. 1:3, 1 Thess. 1:3, 2 Thess. 1:2, Phil. 1:3, Heb. 1:8-13, 1 Peter 1:3, 2 Peter 1:2, 1 John 1:3, 1: John 5:20, 2 John 1:3, 2 John 1:9, Rev. 3:12, 7:10, 21:22-23. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Those who consider themselves wise or smarter than a 5th grader, tell me, where in this world does 1 + 1 =3? Or 1 + 1=1?
The Spirit can keep going on with many more verses just like this. If you have the humility to be honest with yourself and what you just read, you will see the plain truth and the trinity doctrine is debunked. If the Holy Spirit was in fact God, why was he left out of all those verses? What happened to being “co-equal”?
Little children truly believe in Santa Claus in all sincerity up until the day they discover the ugly truth of the matter, right? This shouldn’t be any different. Why would you continue to believe a lie?
So now that you have read and seen the truth for yourself, do you still believe in the false trinity doctrine or do you claim you are not smarter than a 5th grader?
Another biblical fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Holy Spirit is God. Nowhere!
It is crucial to understand what Deuteronomy 6:4 means when it says, “LORD is one.” The Hebrew word translated “one” in Deuteronomy 6:4 is echad. It means “unity,” not “singularity.” It is also used in Genesis 2:24 in referring to a husband and wife being “one” flesh. A husband and wife clearly are not one as in a singular being. Rather, they are in unity with each other. There is a Hebrew word that means “absolute singularity,” yachid, but it is never used in the Hebrew Scriptures in reference to God.
Many will foolishly say this proves the trinity. No! It doesn’t! It simply points back to what is written in John 1:1. Look and look but still don't see?
In John 17, Christ clearly explains what his oneness with God and with all believers mean for it is written:
“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that ALL OF THEM MAY BE ONE, Father, JUST AS YOU AND ARE IN ME AND I AM IN YOU. May THEY ALSO BE IN US so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE ONE- I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete UNITY. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.” (17:20-23)
We are all One in unity - echad! One God family!
Biblical truth clearly declares without room for error or ambiguity that God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit are NOT CO-EQUAL. The Father and the Son are both divine-both God beings (John 1:1)-but fulfill very different roles. The doctrine of the trinity portrays God as a closed, indefinable, three-in-one being, rather than a divine God Family that can expand-currently consisting of the Father and His Son, the Messiah.
The world foolishly says about the Holy Spirit that he is “God the Spirit”. Yeshua tells us that “God IS spirit” (John 4:24). Do you see how foolish this is already? Why does God need a Spirit if he already IS spirit? It is the “Spirit of God”. The word “OF” being paramount as the Spirit belongs to God; the word “OF” denotes possession/ownership.
Don’t know who the Holy Spirit is? Simple, read John 1:51 and Hebrews 1:7, 1:14, and Psalm 104:4. There is our Helper in plain sight yet most are so blinded by the years of false teaching and lies they can’t see the truth. Angel of the Lord, Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit = the Holy Spirit.
Read Hebrews 1:7 and Psalm 104:4. Now go to the Book of Acts and read Acts 2:1-4 (The Coming of the Holy Spirit). This isn’t hard to figure out. Still can’t see?
Paul cautioned us about false humility and the worship of angles (Col. 2:18). The Holy Spirit warned John twice in the Book of Revelation that he should not be worshiped (Rev. 19:10, 22:8-9).
Let’s really simplify this: If a fallen angel is a demon spirit that belongs to Satan, then an angel of God can only be what? A Holy Spirit because he belongs to God who is holy (Lev. 11:44, 1 Peter 1:16).
Think about it, if the Holy Spirit is a single, 3rd person of the Godhead, how is it even possible we can we all have it? See how foolish this is already? Do I get the Holy Spirit today and borrow him to you tomorrow? Can you see how foolish this world’s wisdom is? The answer is found again in Matthew 18:10 for it is written:
“Beware that you don't look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven THEIR ANGELS are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.” (Matt. 18:10).
The words “their angels” (Holy Spirit) shows ownership. The Holy Spirit for each one of us was not sent until Christ came into his glory (John 7:39).
Let the Bible explain itself, it's quite simple and straightforward. If you have the Spirit, the teaching is very simple without having to twist scripture and believe in something that just isn't there. Biblical truth is based on the word of God and the word “trinity” is not in it. Why would any true Christian believe in something that is not written in the word of God?
The trinity is just one of many clever counterfeits devised by Satan to deceive humanity (Rev. 12:9). This world’s god (Satan) does not want human beings to know they are offered what he can never have. Satan does not want men to know that God is reproducing Himself, expanding His Family in a way that can include them-meaning you! Your destiny is membership in this God Family, as a born-again son/daughter of God, ruling with Christ at His imminent return (Rev. 3:21)
“To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.” (Rev. 3:21).
It’s time to unlearn one of the greatest lies of so called “modern Christianity”. Believe in what Christ said and taught. Believe in what is clearly written in the word of God and not in the invented mythology or eisegesis of men. Stop being led by the teaching of men and start believing what is taught by the word of God in the Spirit because only the Spirit can teach you.
Get this, if you are worshiping the pagan invented god known as the “trinity”, you will never, ever receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32) as you are breaking the 1st Commandment.
“that their hearts may be encouraged, being KNIT together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, BOTH of the FATHER AND OF CHRIST, IN WHOM are hidden ALL the treasures of WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.” (Col. 2:2-3 NKJV).
Whom has ALL the treasures of wisdom and knowledge as you just read? The Father and Christ. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Lay down your pride and what you think you know about God and the Bible and unlearn the lies. Repent and let God teach you. Unless you become like a child, you will never enter the Kingdom of God. Forget what you think you know as the Lord has sent me to reveal the simplicity of his teaching in spirit and truth.
Now let’s read Proverbs 30:4 together:
“Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is HIS name, and what is HIS SON’S name,
If you know?
Now, how many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
“Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
DO NOT ADD to His word.,
Lest He rebuke you, and YOU be found a liar.” (Prov. 30:5-6)
Now based on what you just read; the word “trinity” is added to His word as the word “trinity” isn’t found anywhere in the Bible. According to Prov. 30:5-6, who is the liar?
Well what about the Great Commission of Matthew 28:19? If you have eyes to see, you will find that this verse was added to the Bible translations and the Bible itself proves it (John 10:35). Still can’t see “Christian” brother/sister? Ask the Spirit and he will tell you. He uses me all the time to speak God’s truth.
If today you hear his voice, harden not your heart!
If you have ears, then, listen to what the Spirit says to the churches!
Repent for the Kingdom of God is near!
So are you Unitarian, Monarchian, just what, you are kinda leaving me hanging here
@@bobjames3748 Neither. I am a child of Abraham. Circumcised of the heart and led by the Spirit of God.....a spiritual Jew (Romans 11),
The Lord specifically said "a kingdom divided will not stand". Don't you believe what He said? Where does this leave all the religious denominations of what is called "modern Christianity"? Lost!
This is the greatest issue with what is called modern Christianity. They claim to follow the Messiah, but don't truly believe in what He actually said and taught. Christ said matter of fact:
"You people don’t know what you are worshipping; we worship what we do know, because salvation comes from the Jews." (John 4:22 CJB).
"and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)
Isaac Newton in universally recongnised as one of the greatest minds of any human being! Read now what he said about the 'trinity'; 'For Newton trinitarian doctrine was incomprehensable & false, defended by obstruse metaphisical arguements and
imposed upon the heathen either by force or by diluting it with pagan pracitices . He placed great store by the simplicity of the basic tennents of Christianity and stressed that onlt a very few beliefs about Christianity were necessary for a saving faith.'
I became Christian in 1976 when I was 18. I didn't grow up in a religious family. We were very secular, so I didn't have any preconceived doctrines. I knew there was supposed to be a trinity, but when I read the Bible, I couldn't see it in the scriptures. So I'm not trinitarian. I asked God to reveal it to me in the scriptures. And what He revealed to me is that He is the Holy Spirit. So the Father and the Son are both the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is their being. And there is only one Holy Spirit. Yes, wherever the Father and the Word are, there will also be the Holy Spirit, because they are the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not a third person.
Before He became the Son of man, Jesus did exist with the one we call the Father. John 1 says He was with God in the beginning and He was God. They were both YHVH. Our minds always try to diagram or picture things. This is how my mind pictures it. Draw a circle. That circle is the Holy Spirit. Now write Father and Son inside that circle. You can't draw an infinite circle, but the circle is infinite. That is how I visualize it now. But when I think of it before Jesus came as the Son of man, I think of the same circle with YHVH written inside. But it is the exact same thing, except He hadn't taken on the flesh yet. But within YHVH there are still the two personifications. The Holy Spirit is the whole of YHVH, it is His being. So when the Holy Spirit comes to us, it is the Father and the Son coming to us in their Spirit.
Lu @ If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Ro @ The Spirit ITSELF beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Ro @ ¶ Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit ITSELF maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
2Co @ Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the EARNEST of the Spirit in our hearts.
An earnest is a down payment.
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the EARNEST of the Spirit.
Php @ For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Jesus said He and the Father are One. He also said, "I am in the Father and the Father is in me." The reason He could say that is because they are both the Holy Spirit.
Hopefully, the Holy Spirit led you to this video for a reason.
Many years I was so confused, some teachers said God is Trinity, some said Jesus is not equal to the Father, He was just a beloved Son that the Father sent. But recently a year ago I prayed and prayed and seek hard, read over and over the whole bible, Then I came to understand that the Father, son Jesus, and the Holly Spirit are one being, one God, "not 3 person one God". If you want to know the Truth,
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you Mathew 7:7 kjv
*Does John 1:1-3 say that Jesus is God?*
Christain quote John 1:1-3 to prove that Jesus is God and he exited from the beginning. They never thought about researching John 1:1-3 or even considering all the other verses in the Bible. To prove something the whole Bible must agree.
1️⃣ Keep in mind that John is the one talking here not Jesus or the Father
2️⃣ Why John not consistent with John 1:1-3 if he wants to say Jesus is God in John?
❓Isn't John who reported in John 5:19 Jesus saying HE CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THE HELP OF GOD?
❓Isn't John who reported in John 5:30 and John 8:28 Jesus saying "He does not do anything by himself"?
❓Isn't John who reported in John 8:40 Jesus saying "He is a man speaking what he hears from God"?
❓Isn't John who reported in John 14:28 Jesus saying The Father is greater than him?
❓Isn't John who reported in John 17:3 that Jesus is a man that was sent by God?
❓Isn't John who reported in John 20:17 Jesus calling the Father *MY GOD* on earth?
❓Isn't John who reported in Revelation 3:2 and Revelation 3:12 Jesus calling the Father *MY GOD* after more than 70 years in heavens?
❓Isn't John who reported in Revelation 1:2 that Jesus is different than God?
❓Isn't John who reported in Revelation 1:1 that Jesus even after more than 70 years in heaven still needs to receive from God what to speak to others?
❓Isn't John who says in Revelation 1:6 that Jesus has God,
Revelation 1:6 "and has made us kings and priests to *his God* and Father..."
and many more verses from John and other authors of the New testament
3️⃣The authors of the Bible other than John agree that Jesus is not God too
Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; *TODAY I HAVE BECOME YOUR FATHER*"? Or again, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son"?
*Does this show Jesus exists in the beginning? God declares a specific day to start calling Jesus my son!!! That shows clearly that Jesus CANNOT be God or be with God from the beginning.*
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when God brings *HIS FIRSTBORN* into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."
*Does this show Jesus exists in the beginning? Hebrew clearly says Jesus HAS A BEGINNING, God CANNOT has a BEGINNING*
Notice “*therefore God, your God*” in Hebrews 1:9 it means "*God, Jesus' God*" isn't it? VERY CLEAR
Hebrews 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; *therefore God, your God*, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."
Notice the “the God of our Lord Jesus”
🔴Ephesians 1:17 I keep asking that *the God of our Lord Jesus Christ* ,...
🔴1 Peter 1:3 Praise be to *the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!* ...
🔴Romans 15:6 So that with one heart and mouth you may glorify *the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ*
🔴2 Corinthians 1:3 Praise be to *the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ* ...
🔴2 Corinthians 11:31 *The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ* ...
Notice how Jesus himself says he has God
John 8:40 "But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which *I heard from God* ; this Abraham did not do.
4️⃣ *Now let us research John 1:1*
WHO was talking in John 1:1? The answer: IT IS JOHN not Jesus or God
Were these John’s words?
The answer: No, John copied it from a Greek-speaking Jewish philosopher called Philo of Alexandria who was a Jew. No matter what mystical meaning Philo give in this statement (which John has plagiarized), we will accept them for what they are worth.
Even after knowing that John 1:1 was copied from Philo still the people who translated John from Greek to English purposely mistranslated this verse. Here you how
John 1:1 in Koine Greek
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
Greek transliteration
En arkhêi ên ho lógos, kaì ho lógos ên pròs tòn theón, kaì theòs ên ho lógos.
*Greek to English*
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The Greek word “kaì” = and
The Greek word “theòs” = god
The Greek word “ho” = the
Therefore Greek phrase “ho theòs” = "the god"
The Greek phrase “tòn theón” is the accusative form of “ho theos”
English Greek
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In beginning was the word, (En arkhêi ên ho logos)
and the word was with the god, (kaì ho lógos ên pròs tòn theón)
and god was the word. (kaì theòs ên ho logos)
This is exactly what Tyndale New Testament agrees on
John 1:1 (Tyndale New Testament)
In the beginning was that word, and that word was with god: and god was that word.
The word in john 1:1 in its original Greek language = God's Utterance
Here you are an example from the Bible where the word refers to God's Utterance:
1 Samuel 3:1 The boy Samuel ministered before the LORD under Eli. In those days the word of the LORD was rare; there were not many visions.
Also read Micah 1:1, 1 Peter 1:25, Hosea 4:1,...
The word in John 1:1 is what God Utter and God's words are always with God.
Why do you ignore the many verses in the Bible telling you Jesus was a prophet such as John 4:19, John 4:44, John 6:14, John 7:40, John 9:17 WOW it is by the same John who you quoted him in John 1:1 WOW!!
More verses Matthew 13:57, Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16, Luke 24:19, etc...
This is why God called Jesus MY SERVANT (Matthew 12:18)
*Think about it*
If you believe John 1:1 refers to Jesus as God, then you are refuting the Trinity as John 1:1 teaches Duality, Not Trinity since the Holy Spirit did not exist in the beginning.
Also, consider this:
Why John 1:1-3 verses or similar to it not be found in any of the other Bible’s books? Wasn’t it very important for all disciples to mention too!
God bless and guide all of us to the truth
🤣🤦🏾♂️. My guy being with god in the beginning(I.e Genesis) doesn’t mean you weren’t created in that era.
Notice John doesn’t say ;
In eternity was the word. 😂 he specifically said in the beginning.
This(John 1:1) proves Christ pre-existence but not his eternity.
Because Christ always being eternal is a lie.
Also there is something called the Elohim(i.e the divine beings) in the Bible which “the logos” or the spirit of his mouth( Ps. 33) is identified as in John’s book. Nothing was copied more like it was written from from the LXX translation of the scriptures which saw this logos or spirit written about in Ps 33 and later identified with Christ.
The logos aka the word or Torah was made flesh in Jesus the righteous.
@@IsraeliteDefense
إYou mentioned Genesis, where in Genesis we read Jesus was with Gog? any way if you are pointing to WE and US in Genesis, here you are
Genesis 1:26 (King James Bible) And God said, Let *us* make man in *our* image, ...
The plural of majesty (royal plural) “US”, “We” is clearly attested to in writing from royalty through the ages. The majestic plural emphasizes something or honors, someone in a stylistic way. When a member of royalty, referring to himself, says, “We” or “Us” instead of “I” he/she is using the majestic plural. For example, the plural of majesty is used in Ezra 4:18
Ezra 4:18 the document which you sent to *us* has been translated and read before me.
As you read in the king of Artaxerxes reply to the men of the Trans-Euphrates, the king said in his letter “you sent US”, he is after all one king but he used the plural majesty “US”.
When a kind, a Queen, or a President, referrers to himself/herself using, “We” instead of “I,” he/she is using the majestic plural. For example, Queen Victoria, upon hearing a tasteless joke, is said to have replied, “We are not amused.”
NOW LET US READ THE BIBLE TO
Ezra 4:18 the document which you sent to *US* has been translated and read before me.
The king of Artaxerxes replied to the men of the Trans-Euphrates, the king said in his letter “you sent US”, he is after all one king but he used the plural majesty “US”.
The majestic plural in the Old Testament was not meant to teach the doctrine of the Trinity otherwise God will not say there is ONLY ONE with nobody beside him
Deuteronomy 4:35 You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.
It is simply a linguistic tool that God employed to accentuate His greatness.
The majestic plural is found in one of God’s most common names in the Old Testament, Elohim. Elohim is plural for the singular word Eloah. The Jews as determined oppose the doctrine of the Trinity who believes in the existence of ONE and only God without any partners or sons address God as Elohim when referring to one and only God. The Bible translators translate Elohim(plural) to God ( singular) too.
In Genesis, we read God say “I”
Genesis 17:1 Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "*I am God* Almighty; Walk *before Me* and be blameless.
Genesis 35:11 God also said to him, "*I am God *Almighty; Be fruitful and multiply; A nation and a company of nations shall come from you, And kings shall come forth from you.
Read more in Genesis where God addresses Himself as “I”, Genesis 26:24, 28:13, 46:3, and 31:13.
Moses who wrote most of Genesis emphasized that there is only ONE GOD and no others beside Him:
Deuteronomy 4:35,39 35"To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, *He is* God; there is no other besides *Him* 39"Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, *He is God* in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.
Notice Moses refer to God by saying *HE* he did not say *THEY ARE"
Deuteronomy 6:4 ...' Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.'
Mark 12:28-29,32 ...' And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, which is the first commandment of all? And *Jesus answered him, the first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.* And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: *for there is one God; and there is none other but HE*
Notice where Jesus says *The Lord our God is one Lord.* if Jesus is God why does he says OUR GOD?
So the Jews' minds had a firm understanding that there is only one God, not three.
If there is only ONE GOD why does the word Elohim mean 'plural' when referring to God? Well, as I explained to you before it doesn't actually mean plural in regards to persons. It means in English the *plural of majesty*
Let us read what Prophet Isaiah says
Isaiah 46:9 (KJV) Remember the former things of old: for *I am* God, and there is none else; *I am* God, and there is none like me,
1- God addresses himself by saying "I am God" The word "I" is singular
2- God says “there is none else” which means there is only ONE GOD.
3- God says "there is none like me", He did not say "there is none like us"
1 Corinthians 8:4 (KJV) ..., we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that *there is none other God but one*
1 Timothy 2:5(KJV) *For there is one God* and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV) Hear, O Israel: *The LORD our God is one LORD*:
And many many verses in the Bible to show God is ONE BUT still, God addresses himself with plural in some verses in the Bible
Genesis 1:26 (King James Bible) And God said, Let *us* make man in *our* image, ...
So either God is using the plural of majesty (royal plural) “US”, “We” or He is contradicting himself, and since God does not contradict Himself, then GOD IS USING The plural of majesty (royal plural) “US”, “We” in some verses.
@@IsraeliteDefense
You wrote, "Elohim(i.e the divine beings)" Elohim = *The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty*
In the Hebrew Bible, there are four words translated "God": El, Elah, Elo'ah, and Elohim.
EL: Is a Semitic word meaning "God", El is often combined in proper names: Isra-El; Shmu-El (Samuel); El-ijah; Immanu-El; Jo-El; Dani-El; Beth-El. It's also found in compounds: El Shaddai, El Elyon, El Roi, El Olam. After the Israelites entered Canaan, they adopted this generic word "El" for God.
Elah is the Aramaic word for "God" used in the Aramaic portions of Daniel and Ezra and one verse in Jeremiah (10:11). Its plural form Elahim is used at least once for the true God (Dan 5:23).
Elo'ah is the singular form behind Elohim
"Did you know that Elohim is Allah. *The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty* . The root Word is "Eloh". And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im. And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah. Jews do call Him: Allah-im. Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah. See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs. Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah". So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh. It is Allah! Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway. Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew. And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician." from answering-christianity website
The easiest way to defend the trinity is to compare it with what the Bible says about God. If the two agree 100%, then that should confirm that the trinity is based squarely on Scripture. But is that the case? Well, judge for yourself:
1a. THE BIBLE says the Father-a single person-is the “only true God.” (John 17:3).
1b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “every Person [of the trinity] BY HIMSELF [is] God.” That’s THREE GODS!
2a. THE BIBLE says that “for us there is one God, the Father." (1 Cor. 8:6)
2b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “we worship one God IN TRINITY.”
3a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28)
3b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “In this trinity, NONE is greater…”
4a. THE BIBLE says Jesus is the Son of God. (John 20:31)
4b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says “Jesus IS God,” which makes him a different God from the “one God in trinity."
5a. THE BIBLE says the “Father is greater…” (John 14:28)
5b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE say that “the whole three persons [of the trinity] are “co-equal.”
6a. THE BIBLE says the holy spirit is not God, but a possession of God and that he gives it to deserving ones. As 1 Thess. 4:8 says: “Therefore, whoever disregards this, disregards not a human being but God, who (also) gives HIS holy Spirit to you.”
6b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says that “the holy spirit IS God.” However, A Catholic Dictionary says: “On the whole, the New Testament, like the Old, speaks of the spirit as a divine energy or power.” It adds: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as someTHING, not someONE.”
7a. THE BIBLE says that the Father is the ONLY person that “the true worshipers” (Christians) should worship. (John 4:23)
7b. THE TRINITY DOCTRINE says: “The trinity in unity is to be worshiped.”
So, do the Bible and the Catholic trinity doctrine agree on who God is? Absolutely not! As the New Catholic Encyclopedia says, the trinity “is NOT directly and immediately the Word of God.”
Mike Winger is just one of many ignorant preachers who have deceived their followers into believing that God is a trinity while at the same time telling them that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are separate Gods. It's too bad that they can't accept simple Scripture that says the Father is the "one God" of the Bible, not a trinity. Consider the following scriptures:
1. "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him." (1 Cor. 8:6)
2. "[There is] one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." (Eph. 4:6)
3. "For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus." (1 Tim. 2:5)
4. Jesus called his Father the "ONLY true God." (John 17:3)
5. The Jews said to Jesus: "The only Father we have is God himself." (John 8:41)
Don't let Mike Winger fool you into believing in a non-existing triune deity.
No you're very wrong brother please read your bible very carefully and don't read text out of context you will mislead your self.
@@jeffkulola8795 maybe he did and you are the one who is misled.
@@salman13 if you read his comment you will notice that there is a lot he mis represent the Bible. Example his last last comment said jew told Jesus they had one God.so even if jew didn't know the truth the commentor take it as final authority. By the way final authority is Jesus himself because he is fully God. See my other comment in the topic regards trinity. Hope this clarify.
@@jeffkulola8795 Jesus is not the final authority, God is. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, so that God may be all in all. The Father is not subject to the Son. Jesus is not God. Jesus is the Son of God.
Wheres the third person the holy spirit in john 1:1?
Persons ??? Can u tell me properly wat is the defination of persons in trinity. The word persons means personality???
Yes personally
Relationships
Persons
Identification
The false doctrine of the trinity. I am thankfull to be freed from this false hood..
John17:3 proves it all, as well as where Paul says there is only one mediator between GOD and man, the MAN Jesus Christ.
Also where Jesus asked his diciples, who do you say I am. Peter's answere was clearcut, the Christ. Jesus had the oppertunity to to put his own possition in perspective. So stop proclaiming a false Jesus Christ. Also a good read is where Paul rebuked the Galatians in the 1st chapter about their flawed view of our saviour. If you can show me one verse that might infere 3 gods in one god scinario, let me know. Neither will you find the phrase/verse where it says "god the son" . I can show you Son of GOD a few places. Come on, read the scriptures for what it says, and leave the confusion behind.
2Cor 1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
It’s not as simple as 1 verse. Any verse can be taken out of context and misused.
“Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.””
Genesis 1:26 ESV
We see here that God is referring to himself with a plural pronoun. This is given greater context by John 1. Let’s look at these next 3 verses.
“So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body.”
John 2:18-21 ESV
“this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.”
Acts 2:23-24 ESV
“If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.”
Romans 8:11 ESV
If you don’t believe in the trinity, then there’s a bad contradiction in scripture. Furthermore, Jesus couldn’t raise himself up from the dead if he was just a man.
Mike Winger goes into much greater detail in this video about Colossians 2, Jesus’s claims of deity in the book of John, and more. The trinity can’t be denied.
We have not been instructed to study the trinity anywhere in scripture.
NIMROD invented the TRINITY , The Great opposer against JEHOVAH , adopted by the Roman Catholics ? ? Mike is a sub Catholic because he is obsessed with the PAGAN DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY ? ? ? 😨😲👀
The Trinity is taught to you through the Bible. Just because it isn’t called the Trinity, doesn’t mean the doctrine isn’t being taught to you though scripture.
@@davegink9222 How exactly does believing or not believing in the Trinity affect a person's walk with God?
@@centurionguards3819 where did I say it did? But denying it is denying God’s nature. And denying the teachings of scripture.
@@davegink9222 Dave I've heard several debates on this subject and all it is is a waste of everyone's time. It's like the Pharisees arguing with the Sadducees. When the kingdom people get on with God's business of preaching and teaching people about the good news and taking dominion in the spiritual realm.
Let me hear from you, Mike. I would enjoy reading your thoughts. God bless you, brother.
IF I WERE YOU I'D TRY TO OF JESUS THE CHRIST WHO DIDED FOR YOU AND ME.
WHERE IS THE NAME OF JESUS! THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES TO WHICH EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW INHEAVEN ON EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH YES IT'S MISSING.
IF YOU DON'T GET THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS THEN YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.
Revelation 5:8-14
New King James Version
Worthy Is the Lamb
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made [a]us kings[b] and priests to our God;
And [c]we shall reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and [d]ever!”
14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the [e]twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped [f]Him who lives forever and ever.
Biblical scholars call this issue the “Johannine Comma”. 1 John 5: 7-8 reads differently in every bible 600 years old or older. It was made up a few centuries ago. Read this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma
At 42:24 it is the Gospel of Mark and not Matthew 3,29 - I will not correct you anymore, since your notes seem not to be always according to the Bible. :-)
People with no "Common sense "
Trying to speak like, they have common sense.
WHAT A JOKE ! ! !
Great example! ;)
He babbles on a Trinitarian Con of Babylon ? 😁
"To believe in the Trinity, give up on analogies". So it means you basically won't understand it because it's a mystery to human understanding. Thus, you can't understand the Almighty God. Hence you don't know your God. Nice!!! Basically like what agnostics are saying.
What about, The Father being the only True God and Jesus being the Son of the Only True God.
Furthermore, in John 4:22, Christ told the Samaritan woman at the well that _"...we(the Jews) worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews."_
If the trinity were true, then Christ was a liar. Worse, it means that YHVH Himself actively deceived His chosen people for millennia for no good reason.
JEHOVAH IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD , NOT A CREW GOD ! ! ! MADE UP OF 3 COEQUALS ? ? ? GRENVILLE SHARPS 3 RULES ARE FROM THE MODERN DAY PHARISEE SCHOOLS ? ? ? WHEN IN DOUBT , THROW THE TRINITY DOCTRINE OUT ! ! YOU DON'T NEED IT, WEED IT ! ! CHRISTENDOM Pharisees not Jewish pharisees ?
The only problem I have with the Trinity is saying "that is what God is." We have no clue. Has He revealed himself in this way? Yes. Has He said that is all I am? No. So making it a statement that we have to believe, makes no sense. The idea that we can completely understand God is just dumb.
He does tell us exactly who he is God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but if your saying our to understand in our human physical mind yes because there's nothing we can compare to it in the physical. I know without doubt who he is because he has said over and over in his word so I believe that nothing more or less I stand his word. Amen 🙏🏾
What about the verse in Isaiah that says, “Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.”? Maybe “the Everlasting Father” is referring to His relationship with us, and not His Father?
Nothing there calls Jesus Almighty God.
Being devine or godlike in the human definition, does not make him Almighty God.
Reads very different in Septuagint and in other masoretic texts… also not much further, in Isaiah it clearly states that he Messiah has a Father..….
Look carefully at what the verse says. It says "his name" would be called those titles. Jesus came in his Father's name--see John 5:43.
@@user-fd1lj4pn4g HalleluYAH!!
You make the classic mistake of reading John 1:1 without studying the original Greek, and the context thereof. You need to understand the use of "Logos" here.
Ray Gabrelcik Mystery solved:
The example is given in the “family” unit which God created.
There is the Father, Mother and children, each having a “position”.
There can be five members in a family, but they are still ONE family. Families are identified by their last name.
The Bible teaches in both Old and New Testament there is only ONE God.
The Father is God and Jesus is God (Emanuel, God with us, Matt). It appears that there are two Gods, the Father and the Son.
But if you realize that “God” is the last name, the Bible makes perfect sense.
Abba (name), Father (position) God (last name.
Jesus Christ (name), Son (position), last name God.
We now have ONE family of God, with two members. Still ONE family of God.
The Father is God And the Son is God, but different positions in the same family. My Father is greater than I.
John 1:18 explains the Father and the Son.
No man has seen God (the Father) at any time (except), the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE HATH DECLARED HIM (KJV).
What many do not realize is that John 1:1 is a genealogy of the male Lenaiage of the family of God.
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father) and the Word (Jesus) was God (the Son),
The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father).
3 All things were made (created) by him (Jesus) and without him (Jesus) not anything was made that was made.
Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.
We have to trust scripture. Jesus was created by Father God, that’s why he’s called the Son of God. Then the Father gave the position and authority to Jesus to create everything in this heaven (sky) and earth. Continue reading Col. 1:15-20.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he (Father God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
John 17:3 says And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.
The word “trinity” is not written in scripture. God does not just imply words and doctrines.
Jesus first speaks every true doctrine beginning with a word and then Peter to the Jews and Paul the the Gentiles and John the apostle that Jesus loved are witnesses, which means they teach the same doctrine.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
If it’s not written, it’s not truth!
This is the case for the word “trinity”. It’s
not written or interpreted in English in any version of the Bible and it’s
not taught by Jesus or witnessed by his apostles, folks that simply means it is a false doctrine taught in Christianity!
The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses my word would be established.
When Jesus was baptized the heavens were opened and Father God spoke about his Son, saying:
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus as a dove.
The dove was a symbol of God’s Spirit. If the Spirit were a person why would God use a dove as a symbol? He wouldn’t! How could a person come upon Jesus? He couldn’t!
The Holy Spirit is God the Father’s Spirit, descending upon Jesus.
In John 1:1 the genealogy of God, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, only two people are, the Father and the Son. That’s why in Christianity it’s not taught as a genealogy.
1. If there is a third person why is he not
listed in the genealogy?
2. The Bible says no one has seen God the Father at any time except Jesus, that would include a third person.
3.Read the 1st chapter of Romans through Revelation (1st chapter) and you will see
The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not mentioned one time, with the Father and Son. (That’s because there is no 3rd person.
There is the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ and there is the Holy Spirit, which is the Fathers Spirit, not a third person.
The last example is when the Spirit of God came over Mary and she was found with child. This was not a third person of the trinity, this was the Father’s Spirit.
The teaching of “trinity” came from the Catholic Church. Pope, Catholic nor trinity is written in your Bible.
The Bible warns the whole world would be deceived.
@@rhondahauser6443
The trinity merely explains what we see when we read the scriptures. There are 3 persons but they are one God. The Catholic church has very little to do with the bible, although like to tell people they do. Both old and new testaments were finished hundreds of years ahead of the catholic church. If you get your history from the catholic church, then you believe they gave us the bible. Not so. They're yet another pseudo-Christian religion that used our vocabulary but not our dictionary, just as mormons do.
Jesus was crucified because he made claims that He was God. If you don't believe that then you have to think that Jesus was a liar.
I would point you to the bible where it gives us signs of a true prophet and how to tell them apart from the false prophets, like being born into the prophetic line (Smith wasn't), they don't contradict other prophets that came before them and a 100% accuracy rate is required for a true prophet. Smith had several false prophecies and his teachings were in direct conflict with all of the other prophets. He denies everything in the Bible that is a basic fundamental of Christianity.
Rick Davis where does ithe Bible say God the Father is a person? Can. You tell me!
@@rhondahauser6443
The Bible says God is spirit. Why do you think I believe God is a person?
Rick Davis In a post you r wrote yesterday, you said, “there are three persons but one God”.
Who are the three persons?
I assumed you were referring to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
God the Father is a Spirit (not a person).
The Holy Spirit is a Spirit (not a person)
Therefore, I don’t believe in the trinity, three persons in one God.
I do believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as the Bible reaches.
You said it yourself- the word trinity is not in the Bible. Neither is that stupid idea in the Bible.
The Trinity in a nutshell , that's is Mikes head ? 😁 with a Wing nut twist 😨
For people who say “The Spirit is not the Father and the Father is not the Spirit” explains n this one… seeing as your Pat answer is “ Let’s go to scripture!”
Mattthew 10:20
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaketh in you..
The Spirit is always spoken of as “ Of” God not “From” God because as scripture shows above it is the “ Spirit OF the Father” I mean just how many spirits do people think there is? And people think they can explain God with stupid little triangle analogies.
It makes sense to start with trinity because its about the oneness of God and that's big claim.
The trinity is a false teaching.
Rule #1 Don’t use ambiguous texts to explain easily understood text. Matthew 28:19 is explained better in looking at the other accounts of this conversation. Luke 24:45-47 “Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.”
This is clearly understood in Acts 2:38 after Peter preaches and conviction falls they ask him what must we do? His response? “Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins,”
The claim is that Acts 2:38 implies in the authority of Jesus, examples used is a police officer saying stop in the name of the law. This is flawed, why would we assume this here but not in Matthew 28:19? How did we assume one was literal but the other isn’t? This is dangerous. They are both literal, but in the full context you understand the name that was given according to acts 4:12 & Philippians 2:9-10 is the Name ofJesus, which literally can be understood as Jehovah has become our salvation.
@Jonah Mcelhaney
So you agree that Jesus is God Almighty, Jehovah?
@@jamest1411 Jesus tells us himself in John 5:43 that he had come in his Father's name. Notice in Isaiah 9:6 that the son that was to come was not called God nor the Father, but instead his "name" was to be called this. "Father" is not a name. What, then, is the Father's name? If you say the Father's name is "Jehovah," then what is the son's name if the son is not the Father? If one does not accept John 5:43, one has no good answer for why the Father and His son would have the same name.
@Matthew 3:16,17, these two verses shows the three in the same space and time. God bless you on your journey.
WOW !!!!! WOW !!! WOW !!!!! What is he saying, We also can be God's??? EPHESIANS 3:19 .. THIS IS PHILOSOPHY OF MEN !! EVERY EPISTLE SALUTATIONS IS CLEAR !!
Sounds like "Mormonism."
Minister straker Mystery solved:
The example is given in the “family” unit which God created.
There is the Father, Mother and children, each having a “position”.
There can be five members in a family, but they are still ONE family. Families are identified by their last name.
The Bible teaches in both Old and New Testament there is only ONE God.
The Father is God and Jesus is God (Emanuel, God with us, Matt). It appears that there are two Gods, the Father and the Son.
But if you realize that “God” is the last name, the Bible makes perfect sense.
Abba (name), Father (position) God (last name.
Jesus Christ (name), Son (position), last name God.
We now have ONE family of God, with two members. Still ONE family of God.
The Father is God And the Son is God, but different positions in the same family. My Father is greater than I.
John 1:18 explains the Father and the Son.
No man has seen God (the Father) at any time (except), the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE HATH DECLARED HIM (KJV).
What many do not realize is that John 1:1 is a genealogy of the male Lenaiage of the family of God.
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father) and the Word (Jesus) was God (the Son),
The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father).
3 All things were made (created) by him (Jesus) and without him (Jesus) not anything was made that was made.
Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.
We have to trust scripture. Jesus was created by Father God, that’s why he’s called the Son of God. Then the Father gave the position and authority to Jesus to create everything in this heaven (sky) and earth. Continue reading Col. 1:15-20.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he (Father God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
John 17:3 says And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.
The word “trinity” is not written in scripture. God does not just imply words and doctrines.
Jesus first speaks every true doctrine beginning with a word and then Peter to the Jews and Paul the the Gentiles and John the apostle that Jesus loved are witnesses, which means they teach the same doctrine.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
If it’s not written, it’s not truth!
This is the case for the word “trinity”. It’s
not written or interpreted in English in any version of the Bible and it’s
not taught by Jesus or witnessed by his apostles, folks that simply means it is a false doctrine taught in Christianity!
The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses my word would be established.
When Jesus was baptized the heavens were opened and Father God spoke about his Son, saying:
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus as a dove.
The dove was a symbol of God’s Spirit. If the Spirit were a person why would God use a dove as a symbol? He wouldn’t! How could a person come upon Jesus? He couldn’t!
The Holy Spirit is God the Father’s Spirit, descending upon Jesus.
In John 1:1 the genealogy of God, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, only two people are, the Father and the Son. That’s why in Christianity it’s not taught as a genealogy.
1. If there is a third person why is he not
listed in the genealogy?
2. The Bible says no one has seen God the Father at any time except Jesus, that would include a third person.
3.Read the 1st chapter of Romans through Revelation (1st chapter) and you will see
The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not mentioned one time, with the Father and Son. (That’s because there is no 3rd person.
There is the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ and there is the Holy Spirit, which is the Fathers Spirit, not a third person.
The last example is when the Spirit of God came over Mary and she was found with child. This was not a third person of the trinity, this was the Father’s Spirit.
The teaching of “trinity” came from the Catholic Church. Pope, Catholic nor trinity is written in your Bible.
The Bible warns the whole world would be deceived.
"No one has seen God at any time" & " The word became flesh and we had a view of his glory, that of an ONLY BEGOTTEN SON FROM a Father". ( John 1:14,18 ). Thus comparing John 1:1 with these two further statements which must of necessity be EQUALLY true, its plain to an impartial bible ready, that the Word is NOT Almighty God himself but His SON. ( John agrees! See John 20:31!) Amen!
I would agree only in authority, not Divinity. Jesus is eternal Divine God because the invisible Word WAS eternal God in the beginning (always with the Father) before the incarnation. The Risen Son returned to the Glory of the Father - His Spirit, and the two once again were reunited in God's own Self, His Spirit. All honor, glory and authority of the Father is shared equally with the Son (Divinity) but Jesus will hand His authority back to God at the consummation of all things (1Cor 15).
Sure
There is two word one word is God and one word is with the God. Both the word but only one God
Does Jesus still have his body in Heaven? and when we go to Heaven will we literally see Jesus with his body on the right hand of God the Father? Will we see both of them at the same time? Can we only hug Jesus because He has a body? Will we be able to talk to God the father?
What will you say when God asks why you spent so much time worried about something that has no relevance to mortality. Piety??
My name is Marc Andrew Schumann. There are three types of water. There is Ice,Snow and steam. When Ice and snow melts it's regular form of water. When steam cools down it's regular form of water. All three are different but there all one.
STOP WATERING DOWN THE TRUTH ! !
The MOST compelling point to me of the evidence that the Holy Spirit absolutely cannot be a separate entity is this:
The Bible says the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary.
That would make the Holy Spirit Jesus’ father.
That would mean God the Father is actually not Jesus’ father.
That would make Jesus a liar. And God not the father. And the holy spirit then would take the seat as the Father of the godhead/god family. Which is the position Satan has been vying for…to be father/head of the gods. which puts a very sinister slant on the concept of a Trinity. Who is the entity trying to be acknowledged at a level above God?
YES! and it quite easy to prove.
Jesus said that he has a God that Jesus worshipped with fear.
I/we do not "compare" God to ANYthing--we judge according to CLEAR-CUT hermenetics, and CONTEXT is QUITE clear. Amen.
Yes, for the most part I agree with you. Comparisons can be made, but it has to be clear comparisons. It never can be made comparing how man is and falsley imposing that to be by default how they think God is. Looking for a fallible human perspective and trying to impose that is how God is supposed to be, no matter how it is done, by usage of metaphors or analogies, it is egregious error. Example; comparing Sonship from a created being such as a human and imposing that it has to be that way with Sonship to an eternal UNCREATED God as Deity is huge error. Yet this argument is still being made all the time by ignorant people concerning the scriptures.
John 1:1 encapsulates the Triune Godhead. The Word was in existence as God, the Word was in relationship with God, and the Word was God. That is truly awe inspiring!
@The Theology Channel Precisely. It speaks of God in His Triunity.
@The Theology Channel The Holy Ghost, or Holy Spirit was with both the Father and the Son. In Genesis 1 The Spirit of God was over the face of the deep. He's the First Person of the Godhead mentioned in the Bible.
All charity that is not conjoined with faith in one God in whom is a Divine trinity, is spurious like the charity of the present church, the faith of which is a faith in successive order in three persons of the same divinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; and being a faith in three persons, each one of whom is a self-subsistent God, it is a faith in three Gods.
To such a faith charity may be joined (as has been done by its supporters), but never can be conjoined; and the charity that is only joined to faith is merely natural, and not spiritual, and is therefore a spurious charity.
The same is true of the charity of many other heresies, as the charity of those who deny a Divine trinity and thus approach God the Father only, or the Holy Spirit only, or both of these apart from God the savior. To the faith of such, charity cannot be conjoined, or when conjoined or joined to it it is a spurious charity.
Falsehood is by its nature self contradictory. It doesn't matter how many brilliant minds try to make sense of the trinity, it will forever remain confusing and contradictory.
The Trinity doctrine is FICTION DICTION , A TOTAL CONTRIDICTION ? ? ? It is a ORCHESTRATED COMEDY OF ERRORS ? ? ? 😁 😄 😅 👎😨😲
Just look through this comment section and you’ll see how many people are either confused or completely deny the Trinity.
It's an unbiblical teaching
@@AstariahFox The doctrine of the trinity is biblical. To deny that is unbiblical.
The Trinity is a Catholic Doctrine ?
@@davegink9222 its not biblical. To bieleve it is calling Jesus a lier and Jehovah a lier
We dont wsnt to be against Jehovah and his son jesus
@@AstariahFox trinity is absolutely biblical, else we wouldn't be having it
When Jesus was asked which is the first commandment of all, he answered: The first of all the Commandments is "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE Lord Mark 12:29 Jesus reiterated the "Shema" of Deut.6:4. Why did Jesus reiterate Deut.6:4 to be the first Commandment of all when it is not even part of the decalogue? Jesus knew the day would come when mankind would make God three persons and was reminding the Jews how important it is for them to keep the SHEMA close to their hearts.
What about the word ELOHIM in Gen 1:1 most believed this word is in plural form in according hebrew
It can be, but 1 Kings 11:33 should put that to rest, because this is defiantly singular.
"Elohim" in Hebrew is always plural in form, like some other Hebrew nouns: faces, heavens, waters, lives, etc. The way to know if it should be plural or singular in usage is based on the verbs and adjectives with it. For example, when I say "physics _is_ my hardest subject," you know from the verb that "physics" is actually singular. It is true that "elohim" is plural in form, like "physics" is in English. But in Hebrew, the usage is never plural when the word applies to the true God. It is only plural when referencing angels (Psalm 8:5; cf. Hebrews 2:7), people (Psalm 82:6; cf. John 10:34), the false gods, judges/leaders among the people, etc., in which case the verbs and adjectives will be plural in form to match. Students of Hebrew sometimes learn the rule-of-thumb, "The adjective never lies" (which applies to the verbs, too, of course). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew verb "bara" is singular.
Titus 2:13-14
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Based on Mike Winger's use of verse 13 only. He ignores the very next verse that reveals his error. Who did God give to redeem us? Did he give himself, or did he give us his son? Did Abraham offer himself? Or was it Issac who was offered? Was Issac Abraham? Or was Issac from Abraham? Is Jesus God? Or did he come forth from God? The bible is so full of truth if we take the time to search and understand.
John 16: 27-30
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
29His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. 30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
Do they say, "we believe that thou art God?"
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They say thou art the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus is not God, not the creator, and not the word of God. He didn't prexist. He was foreordained, as a forethought of God until he was manifest in Bethlehem.
@@joed8605 amen. One God, the Father and one Lord, Christ.
Why did Yehovah Elohim declare Yeshua as His beloved Son, to whom we are to listen, but not declare him God?
God is One and ALONE
His name is JESUS
Deut 6:4 HEAR O ISRAEL The Lord our God the Lord is One
Jesus said ye call me Master and Lord ye say well for so I am Jn 13:13
Jesus said the first of all the commandment is HEAR O ISRAEL The Lord our God is One Lord (Mark 12:29)
Question
Who is One Lord..?
Answer
Paul said Jesus Christ is One Lord ( 1CORT 8: 6)
I am the Lord and there is none else, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME (Isa 45:5)
Very Very Clear Verse
I AM THE LORD
AND THERE IS NONE ELSE
THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME.
I am Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end Saith the Lord, which is, which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY (Rev 1:8 )
Deut 4: 39 Therefore know this day and consider it in your heart that the Lord himself is God in heaven Above and on the Earth beneath, THERE IS NO OTHERS
JESUS IS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY
Seeing see not , hearing they hear not,,,
oh boy, at 42:20 Mike says 1 Corinthians 2:11 says the Holy Spirit "knows the thoughts of God" and says "therefore the Spirit is a person". But this is what 1 Corinthians 2:11 says:
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
Verse 11 actually directly compares the way in which the Spirit of God knows the thoughts of God to the way in which our own spirit within us knows our own thoughts. Mike's teaching here would necessarily mean that each of us is one being with two persons, one of which is our own spirit.
Please, everyone, read the Bible through looking at the topic of the Trinity only. The Bible does not teach it. It just makes no sense to claim to be someone who follows the Bible if you don't know for yourself what the Bible actually says, in context, and taken together as a whole as opposed to pulling a single verse out here and there. The Bible teaches there is one true God, the Father, Yahweh, the most high God, the only true God. This one true God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Anointed One, to take on flesh and blood to be made like us in every way, in order to die on the cross for our sins.
Pastor, Jesus came to Thomas and used the same words that Thomas used indicating, that Christ heard Thomas say these words which would indicate Christs' omnipresence.
As you well know, to even question "the Trinity" is like lighting a fuse. Someone's bound to explode with anger and accusations. But . . . being mortal as we are, we don't "get" what it's like to be spirit and are poorly qualified to explain spiritual things. *But we can find plenty of trinity non-evidence in the Bible.*
▬ Most New Testament letters have opening statements such as "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ." All these opening statements *_include both God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ_* but all of them *_leave out the holy spirit._* None of the introductions mention or include or address the holy spirit as a person. I believe this is good evidence the apostles did not believe the holy spirit was a "third person."
▬ John 14:23 sheds more light on the topic. Here Jesus explains that both the Father and He (referring to Jesus himself) would come and dwell in us. *They - the two - would make their "abode" in us:*
⚫ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23) (No mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
▬ In 2 Corinthians 6:16-18 we find a similar statement: the Father - "the Lord Almighty" - will dwell in us and walk in us:
⚫ "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." (2 Corinthians 6:16-18)
▬ God is a spirit (John 4:24) and is holy. When God dwells in us, we have the holy spirit dwelling in us. We are His "temple."
▬ We see God as "us" back in Genesis:
⚫ "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Gen 1:26)
⚫ "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:" (Gen 3:22).
▬ Who is the "us"? It is the Father, and the "Word": who was with God from the beginning . . . And was God . . . and was made flesh:
⚫ "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3)
⚫ "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14) (No mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
▬ Jesus said:
⚫ "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) (No mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
⚫ "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Cor 8:6) (No mention of the holy spirit as a person.)
▬ Although the Father and Jesus are "one," they seemingly can have separate identity or person:
⚫ "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5) (No mention of the holy spirit as a person.)
▬ 1 John 5:7-8 has a reputation as questionable in origin. Look up the "Johanine comma" ("comma" referring to a phrase) to get the detail on that. 1 John 5:7-8 is apparently not found in the majority of early Greek texts, but appears in many later Latin texts . . .
▬ Matthew 28:19 is also questionable:
⚫ "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost
It is questionable because what the apostles *DID* was baptize in Jesus' name only:
⚫ "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)
⚫ "(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)" (Acts 8:16)
⚫ "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:48)
⚫ "When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Acts 19:5)
⚫ "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" (Romans 6:3)
@The Theology Channel To "question the trinity" is to review/test/challenge its validity as a doctrine. We should do the same with all doctrines promoted by churches. We should ask: Is that what the Bible really says? Very often, the answer is no. Like you said, people need to read scripture more.
It's based on the anker of the old testament, but yet the name of God was removed and can not be found once in the new testament. 22:45 Now this is what I call changing the Bible to benefit your teaching (doctrine of the trinity).
Bible says there are many gods. But there is only one true God
Exactly modernly known as monolatrist.
He talks about defining the TRINITY in a Nutshell ? ? ? 😁 Who was the original nut who shelled the TRINITY ? ? ? Then he denied the use of analogies ? But the CHRIST never spoke with out the use of an ILLUSTRATION ? ?
God is one, in whom is a Divine trinity, and the Lord God the savior Jesus Christ is that one.
Amen. The Lord JESUS CHRIST is our GREAT GOD and Savior (Titus 2:13).
The Lord operates of himself from the Father, and not the reverse. To operate here means the same as sending the Holy Spirit, since the above mentioned operations (which, in general, are
reformation, regeneration, renewal, vivification, sanctification, justification, purification from evils, and forgiveness of sins and salvation), which are at this day attributed to the Holy Spirit as a God by himself, are operations of the Lord.
That these are of the Lord from the Father and not the reverse, shall first be proved from the Word, and afterwards illustrated by various things that appeal to the reason. From the Word by the following passages:
When the comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, the spirit of truth that goes forth from the Father, he shall bear witness of me (John 15:26).
If I go not away the comforter will not come unto you; but if I go away I will send him unto you (John 16:7).
The comforter, the spirit of truth, shall not speak from himself, but he shall take of mine and shall declare it unto you. All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine; therefore said I that he shall take of mine and shall declare it unto you (John 16:13-15).
The Holy Spirit was not yet, because Jesus was not yet glorified (John 7:39).
Jesus breathed on the disciples and said, Receive ye the Holy Spirit (John 20:22).
Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the son. If ye shall ask anything in my name I will do it (John 14:13, 14).
From these passages it is very evident that the Lord sends the Holy Spirit, that is, effects those things which at this day are ascribed to the Holy Spirit as a God by himself; for he says that “he will send the comforter from the Father,” that “he will send it to them,” that “the Holy Spirit was not yet because Jesus was not yet glorified”; and after the glorification he breathed on the disciples and said,
“Receive ye the Holy Spirit”; also that he said, “Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do”; and that the comforter “shall take of mine what he is to declare.” That the comforter and the Holy Spirit are the same see John 14:26. That God the Father does not operate these energies of himself through the son, but that the son operates them of himself from the Father, is evident from the following: No one hath seen God at any time; the only-begotten son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath brought him forth to view (John 1:18).
From all this it follows that God the Father operates in and into the son, but not through the son; also that the Lord operates of himself from his Father; for he says:
All things of the Father are mine (John 16:15).
The Father hath given all things into the hand of the son (John 3:35).
As the Father hath life in himself so hath he given to the son to have life in himself (John 5:26).
The words that I speak unto you are spirit and are life (John 6:63).
The Lord declares that the spirit of truth goes forth from the Father (John 15:26), because it goes forth from God the Father into the son, and out of the son from the Father. Therefore he also says: In that day ye shall know that the Father is in me and I am in the Father, and ye in me and I in you (John 14:11, 20)
I think the egg analogy may work in this sense. If you could pluck the son off of the Godhead, or the father, off the Godhead or the Holy Spirit off of the Godhead none of the parts would be God. It takes all of parts to equal the nature of God. Sort of like if you take the egg shell or the yolk or the white part individually it is not an egg. It actually takes all three to produce the egg like it takes all three to produce God.
So did God cease to exist when Jesus died on the cross?
Where does the “Trinity” doctrine come from? Good question.
Most Christians are Catholic Christian, even though you do not realize it, instead of followers of Jesus Christ and his teaching alone.
The reason why I say this is because most believe it is more important to follow the fundamental beliefs of the Catholic Church, also adopted by Martin Luther (Protestants), than the Bible., because that is what we are taught from pulpits.
The Ecumenical creeds is an umbrella term used in (Martin) Lutheran tradition to refer to THREE Catholic creeds: the Nicene Creed, the Apostles' Creed and the Athanasian Creed.
These creeds (a system of Christian or other religious beliefs) are also known as the catholic or universal creeds.
Also called the apostles creeds.
Matin Luther broke off from the Catholic Church but adopted some of their fundamental false beliefs.
They believe the ecumenical Creeds, none of which are written in scripture by the 12 apostles in the NT, which is heresy, false teaching.
The Trinity, which is in the Catholic Athanasian creed (google it) is man made heresy, plain foolishness when given the opportunity to read it in it entirety.
Remember this scripture.
20 Knowing this FIRST, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any PRIVATE interpretation.
God did not reveal anything that he hasn’t revealed to you and I in scripture.
THE BIBLE gives us the interpretation of every word and doctrine of Jesus Christ.
If the Word is not written it is a false teaching . Do not be deceived!
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Jesus then gives us another principle to follow.
There must be a witness to the word and doctrine of Jesus.
John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
Who are the witnesses? Peter to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles, their doctrine is exactly the same as Jesus or it’s false doctrine.
Some will say that’s your interpretation, no that’s why Jesus gave witnesses to his teaching and doctrine to eliminate man’s interpretation, but we are not taught this principle in church.
1. The word or doctrine must be written in scripture. 2 Peter 1:20 & Mathew 4:4
2. The word or doctrine must have two or three witnesses. John 8:17
3. Jesus does not imply doctrines, he speaks them and then gives us an example.
Hebrews 1:2 (The Father) Hath (has) in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Let me show you how true doctrine is simply established.
John the Baptist:
Matthew 3:1 3 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Jesus:
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Before the cross
Peter:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Paul:
Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Peter and Paul after the ascension of Jesus, exactly the same doctrine of Jesus. See how simple true doctrine is established.
This is your fundamental doctrine! It’s the first gospel message taught by Jesus and then witnessed by his apostles, written in scripture.
The Bible which was penned by the Holy Spirit.
Did you hear what he said? The father is God, the son is god and also the holy spirit is god. But they are not three gods but one God. Does that make sense? you can never make 3 into 1. No matter whichever side you count it from, it will remain 3.
Question: Who do you talk about MOST, the Son, or the Father? Are they "one and the same" according to scripture, or is one "greater" than the other? Does Christ possess his OWN Holy Spirit, or is that in the FATHER alone? How do you answer that?
There's one God and the Godhead is composed by three person Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father isn't greather than The Son, The Son isn't greather than The Holy Spirit and The Holy Spirit isn't greather than The Father. They have equal importance but different functions.
@@lucdiniz3226 Thank you, "Luc," for your reply. May I ask you, good brother, have you actually STUDIED this issue? Jesus HIMSELF literally SAID, "the "Father" is GREATER than I." He ALSO said, "I can do NOTHING on my OWN." And he even said, "I only speak the WORDS my Father GIVES me." At Gethsemane, he had to inquire of the Father's WILL. At Golgotha, he thought his "FATHER" had FORSAKEN him." And he KNOWS NOT the "time of his (own) return," but God--the Father DOES! Let me ask you a rather profound question, my friend: How many LITERAL, Almighty Holy Spirits do you BELIEVE in? And try THIS: What--in YOUR humble perception is a..."Person?" And just WHAT, in your opinion is a..."Being" within this trinitarian construct? I look forward to your reply, good brother. Be blessed of God, and His Son. Amen.
When Jesus said "The Father is greather than I" (John 14:28) he's referring to his human form in the period of incarnation. During the incarnation Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" (Hebrews 2:9), however this verse is not saying that Jesus is not fully divine.
@@raygabrelcik2578 *"Behold, the virgin shall be with his child, and bear a Son, and they call him Immanuel(God with us) (Matthew 1:23)
*"For unto us the Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6)
"Jesus is the First and the Last"
(Revelation 1:17);(Revelation 2:8)
"Jesus made all things" (John 1:3);(Colossians 1:16)
"My Lord and my God" (John 20:28)
"God purchased with HIS OWN blood" (Acts 20:28)
"Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST" (Titus 2:13)
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one" (John 5:7)
@@raygabrelcik2578 Are you a member of the Jehovah's witnesses church or something like that?
Sorry Charlie. John 8 “I Am” verse isn’t Jesus saying I Am God. The whole chapter is about the Jews claiming their “father” is Abraham. Jesus says if Abraham was their father they would do the works of Abraham. They switch gears and say God is their “father”. Jesus comes back with saying the devil is their father. It’s all about him speaking the words of the father and they rejecting those words. Before Abraham was God the father existed and they would follow his words spoken through his final prophet Jesus that was promised to Moses (god would speak DIRECTLY thru Jesus not like speaking TO Moses).
1+1+1=3 but 3 is still only just one number or one digit. so theres 1 digit but 3 units. Unit 1 is the digit in full(=3) unit 2 is the digit in full (=3) and unit three is the digit in full(=3) but there is not 3 digits but one digit.. think I've screwed this up theres nine gods now.
I tried to salvage the above equation and managed to reduce it down to three gods but 9 persons.. but it's a never ending series.. the next series is 9 gods 27 persons.. this is faster than cell division.
Discernment comes NOT from Math or Algebra, but from the Bible, my friend.
R Fayz Mystery solved:
The example is given in the “family” unit which God created.
There is the Father, Mother and children, each having a “position”.
There can be five members in a family, but they are still ONE family. Families are identified by their last name.
The Bible teaches in both Old and New Testament there is only ONE God.
The Father is God and Jesus is God (Emanuel, God with us, Matt). It appears that there are two Gods, the Father and the Son.
But if you realize that “God” is the last name, the Bible makes perfect sense.
Abba (name), Father (position) God (last name.
Jesus Christ (name), Son (position), last name God.
We now have ONE family of God, with two members. Still ONE family of God.
The Father is God And the Son is God, but different positions in the same family. My Father is greater than I.
John 1:18 explains the Father and the Son.
No man has seen God (the Father) at any time (except), the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, HE HATH DECLARED HIM (KJV).
What many do not realize is that John 1:1 is a genealogy of the male Lenaiage of the family of God.
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father) and the Word (Jesus) was God (the Son),
The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (the Father).
3 All things were made (created) by him (Jesus) and without him (Jesus) not anything was made that was made.
Colossians 1:15 says Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.
We have to trust scripture. Jesus was created by Father God, that’s why he’s called the Son of God. Then the Father gave the position and authority to Jesus to create everything in this heaven (sky) and earth. Continue reading Col. 1:15-20.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he (Father God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
John 17:3 says And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (the Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.
The word “trinity” is not written in scripture. God does not just imply words and doctrines.
Jesus first speaks every true doctrine beginning with a word and then Peter to the Jews and Paul the the Gentiles and John the apostle that Jesus loved are witnesses, which means they teach the same doctrine.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
If it’s not written, it’s not truth!
This is the case for the word “trinity”. It’s
not written or interpreted in English in any version of the Bible and it’s
not taught by Jesus or witnessed by his apostles, folks that simply means it is a false doctrine taught in Christianity!
The Bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses my word would be established.
When Jesus was baptized the heavens were opened and Father God spoke about his Son, saying:
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus as a dove.
The dove was a symbol of God’s Spirit. If the Spirit were a person why would God use a dove as a symbol? He wouldn’t! How could a person come upon Jesus? He couldn’t!
The Holy Spirit is God the Father’s Spirit, descending upon Jesus.
In John 1:1 the genealogy of God, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, only two people are, the Father and the Son. That’s why in Christianity it’s not taught as a genealogy.
1. If there is a third person why is he not
listed in the genealogy?
2. The Bible says no one has seen God the Father at any time except Jesus, that would include a third person.
3.Read the 1st chapter of Romans through Revelation (1st chapter) and you will see
The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit is not mentioned one time, with the Father and Son. (That’s because there is no 3rd person.
There is the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ and there is the Holy Spirit, which is the Fathers Spirit, not a third person.
The last example is when the Spirit of God came over Mary and she was found with child. This was not a third person of the trinity, this was the Father’s Spirit.
The teaching of “trinity” came from the Catholic Church. Pope, Catholic nor trinity is written in your Bible.
The Bible warns the whole world would be deceived.
It would seem that Jesus is the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit. One Person, three roles (Isaiah 9:6)
Can you define "Person," for us? Just what does it MEAN? And "Being," what is a "Being?" Are the TWO the same, or different, and...how SO? How many "Beings" are there? Question: How many Almighty Holy Spirits does it take to govern creation? Hmmm--now THERE'S one for ya.'
Jesus the rock has 3 rolls , what ! Rock and Roll is bad for the soul ? 😁 😄 😀
The guy went for over an hour and never showed us the definition of "God" according to the scripture.
I am not being sarcastic, or disrespectful when I SAY this: But, why IS it that NOBODY in the 35-plus years that I've been discussing this issue, has answered the following TWO questions (I have MANY MORE)? One) Can SOMEBODY define for us, just what IS a "Person" in this trinitarian construct? And, Two) Just what is a "BEING" in this trinitarian construct? Is there ANYone "out there" who can--after ALL these years--lend at least a LITTLE more definition, and clarity to these two illusive, vague terms? Good luck, and God bless.
WHERE IS THE NAME OF JESUS! THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES TO WHICH EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW INHEAVEN ON EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH YES IT'S MISSING.
IF YOU DON'T GET THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS THEN YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.
Revelation 5:8-14
New King James Version
Worthy Is the Lamb
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made [a]us kings[b] and priests to our God;
And [c]we shall reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and [d]ever!”
14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the [e]twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped [f]Him who lives forever and ever.
Three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One being: God.
@@lancebach who do you think the Lamb who was slain is?
I can answer the question: the word "person" was first used in describing the several offices because of its etymology. Look it up. "Person" came into the English language from French and Latin, where it initially applied to a particular role or a mask, such as used by actors on the stage. An actor would be one "person" with one mask, and another "person" with another one. It was only fairly recently (within about the last century) that "person" became synonymous with "being" in English. Most do not realize how the dogma has evolved, partially on account of the changing definitions of words. God is certainly a single Being. The Father is God--the only true God. Jesus told the woman at the well that God is a spirit (John 4:24), and we know that God is holy, so God is a holy spirit (or should we add capitalization in English to make it appear to be a separate personage, by personification?). And God was in Christ (see 2 Corinthians 5:19; John 14:10; 12:49; etc.). It is really a single Being throughout.
It is a noteworthy fact that some months ago the Lord called together his twelve disciples, now angels, and sent them forth throughout the spiritual world, with the command to preach the gospel there anew, since the church that was established by the Lord through them has at this day become so far consummated that scarcely a remnant of it survives; and this has come to pass, because the Divine trinity has been divided into three persons, each one of whom is God and Lord.
The Father is God, the Son of God is also God. It just takes a common sense to know that the God head is a father and son tandem..
Jesus, the Son of God, is not God. God is God. Jesus is his Son. Calling Jesus God rejects that he is the Son of God. God will reject all that reject his Son. People make Jesus out to be God only to their detriment.
21:50 it says in KJV the righteousness of God and our savior Jesus Christ.
im in search of truth but it seems to me that you changed it.
You would need to understand the Greek Grammer rules. Such as Grandville Sharps rule. These rules are in place because the language uses nouns and articles differently than we do in English.
JW does not violate the Granville Sharp rule here. God is capitalized
Put an end to the confusion and go to godsplanforall and look up Gods only begotten son and it will end the so called triniterian confusion.
Only GOD HIMSELF is going to clear up the confusion. We are ALL going to be humbled in some way. Thank you, Father, for your "Christ" who is "the LAMB OF GOD."
Trying it why?