Graeme Souness SHUTS DOWN Pardew For Claiming Kalvin Phillips Is A Premier League Quality Player ⬇️❌
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- Is Kalvin Phillips really a Premier League quality player? talkSPORT's Jim White, Graeme Souness and Alan Pardew debate!
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Ironic that he gets picked for England when he doesn’t play for his club but now he is, he won’t get picked for England. Says everything you need to know about Southgate.
Politics fc
Well he's been good for England and Southgate so hardly a no brainier? Who else can he take?
@@JMatthew131Mainoo and Lewis Miley
Second caller I have to disagree with he mentioned Brighton but that and the Wolves game are the only games we have deserved to win this season.
@@encorefootball Trusting uncapped kids isn't the way going into a tournament. Chemistry comes into it and KP has done well for England and will be picked on that alone.
Graeme brought up a great point when Pardew said "he did terrific for Englan." The fact that England play a lot of games against teams that are not as good as some Premier league teams until later stages of competitions is overlooked in debates about players such as Maguire as well.
Phillips was absolutely shocking for England without his midfield partner Rice in the 4 nil defeat at home to Hungary in the Nations Cup in June 2022. That's when l first began to question his credentials as an international player.
Yeah qualifying games for England are against Championship at best teams.
As a leeds fan i can say souness is spot on. Kalvin Phillips was a bang average mid table championship midfielder for years, until bielsa came in during the summer of 2018.
And like with so many leeds players, he somehow managed to squeeze more out of them than anyone ever thought possible. He accentuated their positives and for quite a long while he was excellent at camouflaging their negatives.
Once Phillips lost bielsa, he lost what made him very good in the first place.
Talent wise hes a championship midfielder, but he had a system centred around him at leeds that made him look far better than he ever actually was.
I laughed when he joined man city, as i knew that he misplaced far too many simple passes and committed far too many fouls to ever be considered for a man city side.
That never mattered at leeds, but in a pep guardiola man city team... it was never going to cut it.
Do you think Guardiola bought Kalvin Phillips to keep him out of the clutches of Arsenal and Liverpool?
Still doesn’t excuse the fact he’s shot him to bits leaving him on the bench for a year.
@@User-ei7eo If you'd have read my original post properly, you will have understood that I was suggesting it was bielsas day to day influence on him that made him so good (which included the time period of the euros of course)
He hasn't had a standout game for club or country, since bielsa was sacked 2 years ago this very month. That's a fact.
Like alot of leeds players who were part of that promotion winning team, they were average players that bielsa squeezed phenomenal levels out of. As soon as he left, the levels dropped and they reverted more to type.
@@User-ei7eo my memory and knowledge isn't only a couple of years old. I've been watching Kalvin Phillips week in and week out since his debut close to a decade ago. I think I'm well aware of what he does and doesn't offer.
He tried turning him into a pep robot and completely ruined the player.
Same will happen to grealish when pep leaves.@@sylviamaua745
Souness is seemingly the only pundit in the whole of Britain who gets it.
He's a great expert
@@scottbarnard4659sometimes. He’s got a lot of bad takes as well.
Top player but was a pretty ordinary manager as had a poor record where ever he went. Nevertheless still a good pundit
He’s clueless
@@mattd6514how many European and league titles have you won?
Watch Southgate call up kalvin phillips for the England team 😂😂😂
Guaranteed
@@pjoseph5950not a guarantee now he's at West ham otherwise ward prowse would've been called up
If Southgate picks that non entity then I’m afraid he gets what he deserves
Guaranteed.
yep, i can see it now, bellingham and foden on the bench but some how Kalvin Phillips will be starting every game and jordan henderson.....
500k a week the Philips deal is costing us absolutely shocking.
no fkn way actually??
No hes not.
@@dash1141 with the money we paid to city as a loan fee and his wages untill the end of the season apparently so yes
@@russellward4624 Yes he is, loan fee, wages etc
@@russellward4624about 4 and half but still diabolical.
Southgate is a fool. Picking utter averages like Henderson, Phillips and Maguire 😂
Gotta keep it "brexit."
they have served him well and trust is vital in this game... dont expect the average youtube user to understand tho
@@grassrootsfootball225 Are you an above average youtube user then.
@@grassrootsfootball225 oh sorry your highness 👸
Henderson used to be top tier when he was younger & Maguire is a top class defender when he’s not being asked to play a high line.
Harvey Elliott has made almost the same number of Premier league appearances as Kalvin Phillips, who is 8 years older. Most people would say Harvey still has a lot to prove as a premier league player. Why is it different for Kalvin?
All we have as evidence of his ability in the premier league is two injury hit seasons at Leeds. That's it. His international record is clouding his premier league record.
Mason Holgate take did Everton a great favor ha
Nahhhh mate .this kid can't play .if pep tell u he's not in the level for league then it's truth .I never seen him do anything on the field that I can yes he's decent
@patrickdupiton8953 that's what I said but in a more diplomatic way. He was a relative underachiever until Bielsa joined Leeds. And with England and Southgate's conservative tactics, any steady Eddie looks world class
Pardew tongue tied has to resort to Phillips England form 🥴 almost as bad as yesterday when he mentioned Holgates haircut like that had anything to do with the challenge 😂
Was great stat from souness Philips only 68 premier league games
What more do they want? He’s solidly midtable and won a trophy last season. What do West Ham expect, given their history over the last 30 years?
Kalvin Phillips couldn't lace Graeme Souness boots 💯 Facts
3 games 1 mistake lead to a goal vs Bournemouth 1 mistake lead to a Goal vs man United and a red card vs Forest
Goal vs Bournemouth was cat kickers fault and was never a red card against forest, so only made 1 mistake really
@@robertedwards9001 Agree m8. He didn't touch the NF player...that wasn't a yellow. He looked silly because after being booked, he has to be cautious...critique his decision-making, not his performance. I think before the red, he was playing well.
Cant believe i am agreed with sourness you 😂🤣🤣 if moyes gets a new contract there will be absolute murders as for winning against brighton , spurs , man utd Arsenal we need areola to be man of match everytime . That style is not sustainable by jan players are knackered and we are seeing results now.
@@robertedwards9001Deluded. Definitely a second yellow card. He’s a bang average Championship player only rated by Leeds fans and Southgate
@@ajfraser7648actually Leeds fans don’t rate him that highly either he wasn’t ever that good for them either
Souness speaking a lot of sense for a change.
Souness also said Roberto De Zerbi wouldn't be a good Manager for Brighton.
This one of the better TalkSport segments regarding current situation at West Ham. Souness gets it…. Pards gets it although you can feel his loyalty to a fellow manager so doesn’t go in on Moyes but can sense he wants to. So many pundits just use the table to throw the ‘What more do you want’ at the fans but for once this isn’t one of them. Just wish the board would take notice as this isn’t just a reaction to the last 8 matches this is based on a lot of last seasons poor premiership matches. Take the conference league win of last year and it’s been pretty damn poor all in all. And the win percentage of Moyes without the European games is not all that great considering over a third of his league wins came in the lockdown season and they have been on decline since year by year. This seasons start has flattered us and although we’ve had some big wins it says a lot when the GK is man of the match more regularly than the attackers scoring the winning goals.
Excellent!!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Well Played..spot on !!
Aerola has been M.O.M for the last 4 games and kudus and bowen our usual reps have been super quite
spot on
Nothing to do with your owner making him sell his best players then you tried a league winner and it still didn’t work all you lot acting like you played like prime Barca before him when you didn’t and haven’t ever done you will get relegated within 2 seasons without him watch and yiu also deserve it just like Everton do he can buy in players who will actually come and still has to sell the best players Bowen will be gone soon and so will kudos have you seen how many goals United have let in this season in all comps get a grip
Never rated Kalvin Phillips. He’s only rated by Leeds fans. He only gets in the England squad because we have a lack of depth in deep lying centre midfield. Mainoo and Garner would be better options for his England place.
He’s actually not that highly rated by Leeds fans either and Utd fans don’t want mainoo to be picked it’s to early and he’s carrying Utd at the moment if he gets injured Utd are stuffed
i'm a leeds fan and i think he's garbage, lots of us think the same.
The situation at West Ham is one of caught inbetween a rock and a hard place. Moyes is not a front foot style manager but 2 x top 6 or 1 with a 7th( not sure) finishes is a major achievement considering the so called top 6 then add in Newcastle; Brighton; now Villa too . Then they have gone and spent a fair amount by their standards with some flair added and the fans expect better football for their loyalty every week. So they could get rid of Moyes and the next guy may play so called better football but not reach those heights.
How can you be when you don’t play for two years 😂
Kalvin Philips equivalent to Alan Pardew standard.. Bang average rubbish
Ya that's why City bought him sure
Average recognises average. They love average in England.
@@Stephen09WEvery manager gets one wrong. How many did Ferguson get wrong at United? How many did Wenger get wrong at Arsenal?
@@Stephen09Wshould they sign Claudio Bravo too?
@@Stephen09Wwhy they sold him also
Pardew understands if the football is boring and performances drop and so does your league position then you're walking a tight rope at West Ham he understands the passion with our fans. The fans of other clubs that are sticking their 20p in the mix need to actually watch us play for 90 mins for a couple weeks and you will get depressed as a neutral so imagine what it's like for lifelong west ham fans. Lucky results with dire football. We been riding our luck for a long time. Media pundits are clueless but continue this pathetic narrative that Moyes is the best thing since sliced bread
Can’t wait for you lot to get relegated. Hopefully you go back in for Moyes and he tells you to stuff it
I’ve watched you a few times and agree, you’re not great atm and possibly in a flattering position in the table. Forest a struggling side beat you comfortably, and threw the game away at your place.
@@jg5622 the only one telling us to stuff it is players joining our club under moyes
@@RyJ-ic6kzshut up who was you signing before Moyes you battled relegation every season and seems you want to go back to that like you played like Barca before when you didn’t everyone hopes you sack him and get relegated as it will happen you chose a prem winner and it didn’t work who do you really think will make you play great football do you think you get kudos without Moyes nope you lot want things that just aren’t reality and the fact u had to beg him back the second time he won’t come back the 3rd time so enjoy going down
@@willtallis5275 you wouldn't take him at your club so pipe down. If your not a west ham fan you have no reason to comment you make yourself look stupid
Kalvin Phillips is not to blame for West Ham's problems.
no and??? he adds nothing being their January transfer
West Ham are rarely good in the transfer market.@@yamcha111
@@yamcha111 I can't believe you think your point remotely correlates to West Ham's problems. The guy who came last month is the problem. Ok, I bet you're winless in Fifa Manager.
@@diddyxl I replied with no, he just hasn't added anything positive
He’s terrible he’s not a box to box midfielder he doesn’t create so tell me what he does apart from being a side to side player
Great to see proper football chat once again on TalkSPORT !
Leeds fan and loved KP, knew his move to MC was dumb especially as they'd just got Rodri..
Honestly though I'm thinking KP wouldn't get back into the Leeds Squad at the moment.. ok maybe as a rotation option, but at present he wouldn't dislodge Gruev, Kamara, or even an in position Gray or Ampadu imho.
Our squad is class at the moment mate. I'm hoping Gray doesn't take an example from Phillips because I have such a good feeling about him.
Good to hear Souness speak some sense about Moyes' "style".
The bottom line is Moyes is a defensive manager. Sits back in the hope to krrp a game tight and nick a win. What invariably happens though is we fall behind and then we are forced to go on the front foot. When we do go on the front foot searching to get back into the game we can be pretty nice on the eye. Now with Paqueta out we have absolutely no creative spark and we could be on the pitch for 7 days and still not score. Moyes has turned promising players into robots eith his tracking back demands and they just look as if they dont want to be here. If I hear the 'he's won us our first trophy in 43 years' I'll flip. Lets be honest, Ted Lasso could have led us to glory last season in that competition. Moyes idn't brave enough to br a top top manager. I wan't a manager who wants their players to die going out on their shields than players hiding in a corner cowering from hordes of barbarians that have just stormed the room. Sooner Moyes is out the better. Pards was never that manager!
Would love to see Bielsa as WH manager. Too bad it isn't happening
Grow up ur team that is punching above its weight and u want him sacked? Get a grip in europea league, won a european trophy in top 10 above teams like chelsea with a fraction of the budget. Ur a mid table team and if he leaves u will be fighting relegation begging him to come back. U west ham fans think ur bigger than what u are and in reality ur punching above ur weight in the prem
@@aidenbirkett4553 wtf do you know? Do you watch us week in week out?.....I do. For your information we were the faves to win that competition before a ball was even kicked by virtue of the league we play in? He has spent over £400M and guess what? We are still no further foreward in terms of quality all over the pitch. Front 3 we are top drawer but thats not much use when the players behind them can't get the ball to them though is it? Without Paqueta providing killer balls into any one of those 3 we never look like scoring. Punching 😂😂😂 You obviously do not watch West Ham let alone support them.
@@paulmcginty6530 so what ur puching above ur weight in the league why don't u go get pep since u think ur that good. Ur playing in europe what more do u want from him the moment he leaves will be the downfall of west ham and u will be in a relegation fight again
@@leandroestrada2199West Ham are 8th in the league. Look at the teams above you. Do you think you should be above them in the league? Get rid of Moyes and you’ll get relegated, especially with Bielsa in charge.
What does Philips actually bring to the team
If Pardew thinks that Bench warmer is Quality! Then that clearly shows why he has always been at small medioca Clubs 👍🏻
Finally people are accepting he's bottom of the Prem/ top of the Championship level. It's bewildering that he got so many caps.
He's effectively another Danny Drinkwater- did well in a very specific role in a niche team for a short period and people misinterpreted that as his talent level. I've literally been saying this for years.
Damn that’s a great comparison
When it works then great but as the caller says when it doesn’t it’s terrible. Supposed to be set play specialists and defensive experts. Shipped a lot of goals and scored none recently.
Got to agree with Graeme. Most teams England play are Mickey Mouse teams and make the England players look better then what they actually are.
As a West Ham fan I can honestly say he’s one of our worst signings in years. Thank god it’s a loan, as at this rate it won’t be made permanent.
Ruben Loftus-Cheek needs a recall he's been quality for Milan this season.
Forgot about him. He had been hampered with injuries. Could see he is a good player.
Finally it's undeniable and understood ⚒️
Well done Talksport for not being100% anti- West Ham Sullivan puppets for one video
Arsenal fan here, I used to watch all Leeds games during Bielsa era. They’re entertaining.
I think Souness is right Kalvin Phillips all of a sudden became good enough for England when Leeds got promoted without playing in the premier league and had a decent season at leeds when the whole team over achieved went to Man City who realised he wasn’t as good as they thought and had one good tournament at International level as many players do but then get found out as not being as good as everyone thinks
Pardew doesn't know what he's talking about just like Southgate ... Phillips couldn't get into the Man City side and his problem seems to be he can only pass the ball backwards !
Great show sums it up - now we have an aging squad because no one wants to come to west ham and track the ball
seems the media are starting to understand.....
This is the 1st balanced argument on talksport with pundits knowing why theres unrest rather than backing there m8s with what are you moaning about
Until you Sack him and it gets worse you all act like you play like prime pep Barca team when you never have you’ve tried league winners didn’t work you have mainly stability now and you don’t want it everyone now hopes you get relegated as it will happen and won’t be able to beg him back the 3rd time you will relegated within 2 seasons without Moyes just watch
@@willtallis5275 i will be watching
I’m a Leeds fan and kalvin is definitely overrated .
You have to be able to defend using Moyes tactics! 11-0 in 3 games suggests West Ham can´t defend!
Souness doesn’t like anyone 🤣
He does but he is right , people saying so and so is class, quality player etc you have to earn your stripes week in week out.Playing for Eng does not mean anything these days its not the highest form of football anymore. PS Pardew should not be in a studio discussing anything about football.. he was awful at West Brom could not win a game for months .
He keeps giving that look to Pardew.
Souness was top class midfielder for Liverpool and Juventus Keane critized Kalvin Phillips for been overweight and not fighting for his place even Grealish puts in a shift
@@eugenedempsey2838Souness played for Sampdoria after Liverpool not Juventus.
I mixed them up but they were still a strong team in the top league at that time Souness didn't take a step down joining them from Liverpool
About time...Well played Graeme Souness, A pundit that finally understands !!
Moyes Out !!
It's the first time he has about us, I can't believe it.
the yorkshire pudding 😆
Forget Yorkshire pirlo we've signed a Yorkshire pudding
West Ham are a championship side
Youd think pardew would offer some insight due to his managerial career but he has no substance, doesn't say anything of value at all, dave at my local pub can say everything he sais
well said . always thought he was a total bluffer
Moyes prolly thought Phillips was gonna come in and do a lingard… tough luck
Not so long ago all the pundits were saying ‘6th and a European trophy’. Now they’re saying ‘9th and a trophy’. If Moyes stays in a few weeks we’ll be in the bottom half and out of the Europa League. What will they say then? Just a reference to a trophy last season which frankly, we should have won, as should Villa. The difference in quality and player value between prem teams and their opposition in this cup is vast.
It’s Europe tho and anything can happen you had A league winner did you play good football when he was in charge nope and you will get relegated within 2 seasons without Moyes acting like you played amazing football before him when you haven’t and didn’t there is no West Ham way apart from sell their best players everytime
@@willtallis5275 - you’re obviously not a West Ham fan so I take your opinion about as seriously as the pundits. Have a good one.
Wow! The ego 😂
The look on Souness' face when PRdew goes "I didn't get the sack at Newcastle" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm surprised this club hasn't seen the light.. They have now a good collections of players & I think Moyes has taken them as far as he can. They need a different way of operating now. When I watch them play, it screams lack of modern tactics. Potter is there, & I think he could tweak things just enough to get some juice out of this group.
Kalvin phillips messed up his own career (injury notwithstanding) by taking an unwise jump to the upper echelon club. He was a good player but how he even thought he would bump any of the midfielders at City was just weird, no self-awareness. This guy needed a place where he can play REGULAR football but I guess he didn't value that.
They have trouble scoring goals and you're suggesting Graham "my strikers can't hit a barn door from two paces" Potter?
@@paulie-g- perhaps moyes hasn't recruited nearly enough in the forward areas but Kudus is a good prospect. Ings shud be a productive player & Cornet hasn't delivered. But the defense & midfield are fairly good. Good base to work from.
@@charleszawaira9292My point is that Potter teams don't score nearly enough. If WHU fans don't like not scoring enough under Moyes, Potter isn't the answer.
Kelvin Phillips went to city to improve and win a place in the 1st team he was quite happy to plod along as a squad player pep saw he wasn’t up to the task and moved him on,he’s now got to knuckle down and rebuild his career at West Ham,has he got the right mentality after taking the money at city for no work
Yes definitely when city won the treble Phillips was trying to get in the spot light like he contributed.😂
Thank you, Pards & Souness. Understanding at last from pundits who know the game. Unlike Jordan, who thinks he understands because he had money to buy a club and failed.
Have to agree with Souness for a change.
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Kalvin Phillips was decent at Leeds but a certain Bielsa shaped him that way on his strong points.
The players Bielsa put around him immediately in that side made him look an essential part when he probably wasn’t. 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻
See plenty of Millwall v Leeds with him involved.
I don’t see it going that well for him at West H##. Esp with Moyes.
I get the feeling Souness isn't keen on Pardew...
The problem with kalvin is he’s a confidence player and he’s confidence is at an all time low at the minute. Get him playing for a manager who can get that confidence back and make him feel loved and wanted and he’ll be back to he’s best like he was at Leeds… Gareth Southgate makes him feel like that and that’s why you never really see him have a bad game for England. Bielsa was the same for him he just needs a run of games and a manager who believes in him
Congratulations TalkSport this Pardew-Souness combination is really engaging. I know, as a Newcastle fan, I didn't enjoy either of their respective tenures tbh by an large (they both were there under very difficult circumstances) - but I do admire their opinions and their achievements overall.
Pardew was miles clear of souness for newcastle
Yes it's Moyes's ball which most don't like.
D Moyes will probably want to sign the Yorkshire pudding permanently ! 🤣🤣🤣
There you go that caller Paul - I called that 18 months ago November 7th 2021 was when we beat Liverpool 3-2 entering football also - since then we have had static tatic wins …..BORING
You never played decent football before Moyes why don’t you lot accept reality your not a big club anymore and always have to sell the best players of they always have done you’ve tried league winners as manger and still nothing changed stop acting like you played like prime Barca before him when all you was doing before Moyes was changing manager every 6 months or so accept reality and that is stability in the league with Moyes or without him might not be so boring but could easily get relegated or battle relegation every season like Everton deluded fan base who expect to much from a club that been shocking for more than 20 years get a grip
I wouldn't want Kalvin Phillips in my championship teams squad. Like most midfielders who'll start the next England game, he is absolutely sh*t !
Like most midfielders? Bellingham and Rice?
Jim seemed genuinely gutted at the valid points being raised by caller 1 and 3 (in addition to AP & GS). Even looked a little excited when caller 2 began to praise Moyes' tactics before providing balance to the equation. Don't feel he is impartial in this debate.
I left the uk years ago but still get up in the middle of the night to watch my beloved west ham. It's not just the dire football being served up by David moyes. He picks the team and decides the tactics. He refuses to use academy players.a couple of seasons ago we were down to the barebones, west ham academy players will never get a look in with moyes in charge. He has wingers on the bench but puts a right back on the wing. He turned arnautovic and Antonia into strikers and it worked because they were both fast and strong. Because of this he thinks this works for every player. He played benrama and formals out of position and then uses them as scapegoats when things don't work out .we losing 1 nil with 20 minutes to go, we have 2 strikers on the bench. He takes a defender off and replaces him with another defender, no thought of let's go and draw or win the game, let's keep on defending. Spent millions on strikers that don't fit the David moyes way. Haller, scamacca, ings, vlasic. Downes and Phillips an absolute waste of money. How can west ham keep losing millions on player's moyes Has signed. We're hearing rumors that David moyes is stopping young exciting players coming to the club, also saying he won't play player's he didn't sign. We don't know if these rumors are true but surely paying fans have a right to know what's going on at their football club. Press conferences are a joke, he sees a completely different game to us. The team is old,lackless which is down to the manager, we have no youth, speed or ambition at our football club under David moyes
Another factor that doesn’t get mentioned is the coaching staff. When Moyes returned for the second spell we had Irwin, Stuart Pearce, Paul Nevin (Englands set piece coach) and Kevin Nolan. It’s only Nolan that’s still at the club the others have all left for various reasons. I believe that has had an impact. Because when you watch them there’s no patterns of play they look lost on what to do other than side ways and go backwards. It’s stale and needs new ideas and that comes from new management.
Or relegation or battling relegation like you did before Moyes a new manager still doesn’t change the fact players don’t want to go to West Ham and that you have to sell your best players whatever West Ham fans are taking please give me some
@@willtallis5275 what are you smoking ?? Players don’t want to go to West Ham ?? We have always attracted very good players u 🔔🔚
More to the point, Jarrod Bowen has failed miserably since the FA Cup game against Bristol City after doing very until then. Moyes has refused to sign a second striker for a number of seasons, relying on Antonio, and then decides to make Bowen the main sole striker who is now firing blanks. That is purely a man management issue and Moyes must consider his future if West Ham are in the bottom half in a few months.
West Ham sell two wingers, play players out of position, because they have a small ageing squad. How has that happened? Must be a combination of the owners and management not creating a squad capable of performing for a whole season.
3 points from 18 in 2024, 4 goals in 7 games, no goals in last 3, 500 million spent on players, no centre forward, left wing, play off the back foot, wingers more defensive never go past the half way line, no body can use the Euro cup win as justification as to get a new contract especially when you have a one dimensional manager with no plan B 😎
Moyes is bang on with his summary. What he isn't understanding is that fans have fallen out of love with his style of play. They want more, they believe they have the talent in the squad and its fair for the fans to want more.
Yeah and you will see that type of football in the championship without him and your best players will be sold like you always do you’ve tried a league winning manager and still nothing but yet act like you play like prime Barca before Moyes came in but yiu didn’t yiu was battling relegation and sacking mangers left right and centre you lot deserve to go down it’s all about stability in a league that’s so hard to stay in and I bet you right now Moyes did not sign Philips you lot just want a reality that doesn’t exist and won’t exist enjoy going down within 2 seasons without him just watch and it’s everything you guys deserve
Can we stop pretending the conference league is at all impressive it’s not
For a club like West Ham yes it is always selling there best players before Moyes always battling relegation almost every season tried all sorts of managers even league winners and it all failed stop acting like you play like prime Barca becuase you never have how about you get your interesting football in the championship that’s what West Ham fans deserve
Pardew got no bottle when he's put under pressure. Well played Sounness. Goes from saying he's a terrific player to 'he wasn't the right singing for West Ham' after one question. Poor punditry
You can almost justify the horrendous style of football, when we are winning games. You play that badly, and then lose every week what else is left? Spot on Souness
I do think Philips is a good player, how good is to be determined. He like all players needs coaching and I think what wld be disappointing is that he never took advantage of what was available at City.
Why City picked him up is beyond me, good player or not he is not a typical City player. Odd choice.
I watched a video with Ben Foster and that panel summed up the bias in the media. Preaching to West Ham fans becareful what you wish for but couldn’t name another club where DM gets another job from a top half club. 😂😂😂😂
As for Moyes, he hasn't evolved as a manager since his Everton days. At Manchester United he sent us backwards by a couple of years despite being champions of the Premier League that year. At Sociedad bar an impressive win over Barcelona when the MSN started to click, most fans would rather forget him since his football don't fit in Spain. Tbf at Sunderland, he entered a club that was on the inevitable back to back relegation. 1st stint he steady the ship but no plans were placed for his permanent appointment. 2nd stint yet again kept West Ham up finished top 6 in lockdown football. The problem lies when he got better players he couldn't get the best out of the squad. 2022 West Ham went on a miserable run of form that got them 7th and 14th at the following campaign because Moyes failed to adapt to the football climate. He's European runs is just a smoke screen in their otherwise shocking Premier League form since January 2022. With their best player Paqueta injured and sold Fornals(he wasted Fornals on the wing since he still refuses to sign wingers since Bowen) West Ham are getting blown out by clubs. The Moyes experience has reached its end and I don't see it getting any better. The severe lack of wingers, wasting attackers like Ings, Kudus and Ward Prowse and still refusing to evolve as a manager to survive at the elite leagues has hindered Moyes from being a great manager.
I'm normally 50/50 on Souness's opinions but he's spot on here. Nice to hear a pundit not towing the line that Moyes is doing fine and what are the fans complaining about.
So much of the criticism directed at Moyes from the West Ham fan-base carries the feint whiff of what is now an acquired snobbery that emanated in the 60's under Ron Greenwood i.e. we only want to win playing attacking expansive football and using only home grown talent. Truth be told, they haven't been able to retain the players to deliver that brand of football for at least 30 years. Imagine what a team that contained Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Frank Lampard, Jermain Defoe, Michael Carrick and Glen Johnson might have achieved?
I agree with Souness, Phillips is not a Premiership player nevermind and England man .... same goes for Bowen IMO.
Bowen is a very good player. His problem is that he's not consistent enough to make the step up from West Ham. He's got a decently high ceiling, he just can't reach it often enough and it's difficult to tell whether it's his limitations or the way WHU set up - most attacking players would struggle massively in that side.
Souness played at the highest level ⚽️ he would lose his mind playing in that west ham team, he knows how the game is supposed to be played 👏🏻⚒COYI
Caller Simon, hit nail on the head. Well said. We will always stay a fan of West Ham, maybe not go and watch them with this manager.COYI
3 seasons in Europe sounds great eh! We finished 14th last season!!! Looking likely to be around that finish this season. Why, after 3 seasons in Europe hasnt West Ham pushed on? Surely, that extra bit of cash would be buying players who can take the club forward, not Phillips FFS
Not Moyes fault tho oweners do have a say espicslly the West Ham one you just wait until sell you Bowen and kudos beucxase that’s what West Ham do sell players and don’t buy in good players always has done and Your acting like you play like prime Barca before Moyes when you never did either you will be relegated within 2 season without him just watch it’s not always about interesting football it’s about stability in a league that’s hard to stay in you tried a league winner and he failed you lot just expect more than what’s actually reality and it’s pathetic
@@willtallis5275 There is not one Premier League club who whould have Moyes! That says it all! We have stability, I call it stagnation! We will likely finish 14th again this season! Bowen is on a 7 year contract, would take a lot of money to buy him! Last 3 games we are 11-0 without even looking like scoring! I am guessing you dont watch West Ham week in, week out! We play some of the worst football I have ever seen us play! No, we arent Barca but we are better than this! What is pathetic is the pundits defending Moyes without actually watching West Ham! That is pathetic!
@@willtallis5275 And you say, "not Moyes fault".... Hes the manager mate, he is the one who sets the team up, who selects the tactics, if you can call them that, so, yes, it IS Moyes fault!
@@akwamarsunzal what are you expecting honestly top 4 and you went ever much better than this before Moyes came In we’re not talking about 20 years ago before him you was battling relegation and sacking managers left right and centre you expect to much from a club that always has to sell its best players every year once you get relegated without him your all be crying about it
@@willtallis5275 Thanks for proving my point that you never watch West Ham and it seems you have little knowledge of the club too! I am expecting consistently top of tier 2 in the Prem, so 5th/6th. You know, where you fools keep reminding us we finished 6th before! Yes, Moyes bought in stability, now its time to push on, from the stability! Again, no Prem team woudl ever have Moyes, why should we be stuck with him? If we consistently finished in European spots we woulld retain our best players. Paqueta is gone in the summer, for very obvious reasons, Kudus also likely to go. Whoever comes in to replace Moyes has a big job on their hands to rebuild our aged squad that, if Moyes were a decent manager, would never have let happen!
In the prem under Bielsa he was unreal , city away when Leeds won he was a joke how good he was. Pep has ruined him , I wouldn’t rule him out when he gets going.
His career is over
Pep ruined him 🤣🤣 Your some Whopper. If he cnt keep the weight off that he's doing, nothing to do with the manager.
Leeds had the worst defense in the PL
He was good in a team that's built to get the best out of him, he's bang average at best. JWP is a much better all round midfielder.
@@Stephen09WPep hasn't done anything, people said he was ruining Grealish but I'd argue he's turned him into a more complete player.
He likes players with a certain attitude and I think Phillips lacks the right mindset.
I feel really sorry for Phillips. He got a dream move to city, but never played. I think he needs a little bit of time to get back to speed. He’s defo a quality player.
The last time West Ham complained about mot playing the West Ham way, they got relegated.
Want to see good football and be entertained,we don’t get that with Moyes
At least Souness gets it. Getting fed up of pundits talking about west ham fans as being entitled because we want to see better, proactive football.
This is one of the many ways that other teams - especially the elite cartel teams - will keep you in your place. That said, there is no way for a team like West Ham to ever break into the cartel without a big money takeover, and even then it's no guarantee - just look at Newcastle. And if you get the takeover, the cartel will call you fake and plastic. At team like West Ham just can't win.
Moyes has spent 500m and we have the oldest & smallest squad in the PL. he’s having to fill the bench with academy players but won’t play them as sees them as being to young for the PL
Sourness is right nicking results.
Picking Philips for England is a managers dream, The oppositions managers dream 🤣🤣🤣.
But Southgate is great at picking teams the opposition are so happy on the team sheet.
Not sure what West Ham fans want… challenging for top 4? With what budget?
We can’t even make 3 passes. It’s not much to ask for! How dare ppl gaslight us.
Would Souness not say that he is more of a Unsteady Eddie
It wasn't so long ago West Ham were getting relegated (or threatening with it) every second or third season. They were, by comparison, happier then it seems. Nothing like a bit of silverware (after a million years) to make you think you deserve Ancelotti.
last season we were in a 34 game relegation battle with Rice and Paqueta in the team
One of those very rare occasions when I find myself agreeing with Souness….Phillips not a top player. Emperors new clothes….comes to mind …championship player , or might fit in at a Luton , Burnley, Forest at best.
Irony of a former Scottish international calling other countries Mikey mouse 😂
irony of an englishman trying to deflect a fact in to an insult
@@raycroal who is an Englishman?
I was harsh on both of them as managers, but Graeme typically spot on. You get older, you see things better from the sidelines.
Well Pep must have thought so when he authorised the transfer
A bit like zinchenko and to a lesser degree jesus? No irony here.
@@jeannotschumacher1024 I'm not saying his good enough now, but he must have been at some stage. Zinchenko and Jesus were never top players in my opinion
@@D1Snr zinchenko nowwhere good enough. Jesus is ok but no regular poacher and he needs a proper no 9 to support him.
A proper 9er, doesn't need to be superb, plus jesus, martinelli, trossard and saka. That would give arsenal a chance to win something.
Pardew must be still buzzing off Andy Woodman getting everyone those 8 year deals at Newcastle.
Never been impressed, not happy Newcastle been chasing him l always thought we were missing a bullet here with him.
Not England Quality, but who knows with Southgate's logic be in Euro 24
Did it really take graeme souness to highlight the fact that the style of play is what west ham fans dont like for jim to realise they may havea point? Not the condescending "What do you actually want?" and talking down to every fan that called in saying the same thing?
Lack of depth behind Henderson and Rice, if you want more good cms you need to watch down the leagues to identify other Bowens
The cup saved Moyes job, after spending 500 million they were entitled to win something! I’m shocked that Philips has only played 65 premier league games in his career - and valued at that kind of money - lm a 60 year WH fan and would have preferred Jesse Lingard over Philips any day.