Hardtail Vs. Full Suspension E-MTB | Do You Need A Top-Of-The-Range E-Bike?
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- It's no secret that Steve isn't a fan of hardtail's, but are they really as bad as he says? A hardtail electric mountain bike can often be an affordable entry into the sport, but is it at a disadvantage to a full suspension bike?
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There are lots of people riding full suspension bikes that simply don't need one. If your not doing jumps and riding like a kamakazi , then dont waste your money.
i'm 73 so that says it all.
The most air i get is riding over a thick leaf.
🤣
Great!
I'm pushing 78 and still want rocky banzai with full suspension.
That says it all [more] :-))
youtube channels like these are all about full suspension etc... you never see reviews of budget bikes sadly...they assume everyone has 5k to drop on a bike...
@@TheWeardale1 there are a k lot of higher end hard tails for sale . i paid
4300 € for a Nox hard tail . this bike has the new sachs rs motor made in germany with magura mt5 brakes , rock shock forks, rock shocks dropper post , etc but you are right , the main focus is on the full suspension bikes.
and here i am, on a 400€ used hardtail cube from 2015 and am happy to be able to get up and down the hills in my home town... saving for a e mtb currently, and also my car broke. so honestly guys, be humble. be happy with what you have, even if its old or heavy or not highend.
100%.
Sign on that. ,👍
I road a hard tail for 10 years in the mountains then full suspension for 10. Hard tail was the best at climbing. I was always the first up the climbs and waiting. I drank less water then other riders and was laughing the way up. With a hard tail the downhill was sketchy but still fun. I couldn’t keep up on the downhill but my adrenaline was pumping fast and hard at my slower pace. I’m thinking about going back to hard tail cause I want a rack on the back. I’m 37 and a father now so my needs have change. Most days I’m riding the dog park trails and I want to get a trailer for my toddler and still hit up a mountain trail with the guys. Then take it easy with the wife on light trails. I’m more into the views and traveling with the bike then the downhills as time goes on. The full suspension guys never stop to take pictures and “feel” the areas we travel in. I’m going to trade my enduro for a hardtail Ebike for sure!
I believe you are a much more typical middle-aged bike-rider than the majority of guys going full downhill kamikaze in their late 30s and 40s.
After riding hardtails for 13 years, i got a fully yesterday and i really like it. It's just different and each have their own pro's and cons but both are fine. It's a matter of preference, and wallet size.
Just home from Queenstown New Zealand yesterday on our hard-tails. Clocked over 130 kms off road. FS not required, we appreciate the lighter weight and lesser complexity.
Unfortunately this is going to be a debate that’s always going to be on going!! And I think the main point was slightly diluted !! You guys basically proved that a HT e-bike can do everything a FS can !! Yes it takes more of a art to do it and yes its not as comfortable! The bigger picture is that normal joe Bloggs doesn’t have £3000 plus for a e bike !! But they might be able to stretch to £1500-£2000 and their are HT e-bikes out there that will give you a shed load of enjoyment over any terrain !!! 😃👍
This reminds me of when I got into sea kayaking. I finished building my sea kayak, launched and then thought: I should find some other sea kayakers. I was 49 years old, assumed everyone I'd meet would be in their 20s. Most were older than me. Who else has $3000 for gear and a place to store an 18' kayak? The demographics of E-MTBs are probably similar. Paddlers in their 20's? They're hammering short surf/river 'yaks they can stuff into an apartment. I suspect when I finally do get an EMTB, I'll probably be coggering around younger people on No-E MTBs.
I just found your channel and look forward to viewing your content. I entered into the e-MTN bike world just ten months ago at the age of 56 and I’m having a great time. I got a TREK Powerfly 5. It works well in various disciplines. In ECO mode my longest ride was 60 miles and on Single track with black and double black segments using MTN mode I’ve covered between 20-32 miles before I’m completely worn out. I’ve been over the bars and had a few hard crashes. I think you hit the pros and cons between full and hard tail. I just got a complete set of 3.0 Bontrager XR2 tires, rims, cassette and 180mm rotors for the trail and can dedicate the original set for street rides. I think e-bikes are awesome and wish more Florida parks allowed them. My favorites are Alafia and Croom. Cheers.
The only solution is to have both!
Nice idea and been there done that, but sold the full suspension after nearly 8 months of it sitting around unused. FS just doesn't do it for me.
I agree...get a second job (or third)?
Like me gaint faith 3 well as a full custom hard tail
Can you lock the suspension?
Amen.
Just got my 2nd Emtb. 1st (2200$) was hardtail, 2nd (3900$) is full-sus. Didn't plan on getting a full-sus, but the 1st one was soooo much fun I got much deeper into biking as my hobby and eventually found several reasons to get the 2nd one. Wanted the rear shock, dropper post, wider rims+tires, tubeless, Di2 shifters, 2nd identical battery, AND with two Emtbs I can bring a friend. Weird how I should be dirt poor in the eyes of my country (make ~900$ a month) yet I can rock these overpriced toys. The trick is: Don't have a car. /Sorry for weird flex!
Wish everyone could have E-full-sus. Can't wait for summer! Want to see the look on everyone-I-know's faces when they get to ride up the local mountain trails on a 4900$ dreambike for their first time :D:D I'll follow on the hardtail of course. Now if only I could find/build a trailer to transport the 2nd bike with my 1st ...
Best comparison video on the net! Thank you!
Hardtails are so light and fun and flexible in their uses: I converted a strong and springy steel frame Marin Pine Mountain hardtail into an eBike with a 1650w Bafang mid mount motor and a 750w battery. With Maxxis 2.8" Rekons, Hope 203mm brakes and dual Thule lightweight racks it 'triples' as a really fast (75Km/h) Mountain/BikePacking/Cargo bike. I use it every day and do camping trips into the bush with everything including a big tent, table, chair and 'gourmet' cooking gear. I ended up selling my Land Rover!
Awesome! That's the way to go :)
We want to see pics!
@@fishermans1friend. Love it to death!
I literally asked myself this question the other day. Thanks guys.
Once again guys, excellent video and yes, given a choice the FS ticks more boxes but (there is always one!), what EMBM seem to overlook is some of us mere mortals have limits to what we can afford!! 😎
I had a lumbago once and since my back remains sensitive. I consider FS also as the medically correct decision. Even to commute as in Brussels you have to ride over curbs, cobble stones and holes in the road everywhere
First time I got on a full sqish, it was like riding a cloud, my spine thanked me.
Amen.
I kept riding up and down some city stairs, starstruck by how the rear just flowed over the edges like water. Such a difference.
First time I didn’t know how to set rebound on a shock so it felt sluggish and I hated it. I braved it, got my own and I love it. But I refuse to become one of those riders that hate hard tails
I had the same hardtail for 3 years and now switched to full suspension .. boy what a difference when hitting trails. It will always come down to the cost .. if you can afford you will go with a fully, if you cannot afford, you will go with a hardtail. I couldn't afford a fully three years ago so bought a hardtail and had a great time, now can afford and the difference is really huge to me when riding the fully now especially when it comes to trails that were not always fun with the hardtail
Thanks guys! Very useful.
We have both (rear hub hard tail), and each of them are fun. More versatility with the hard tail riding roads & shared-use paths makes for good value.
I like the bro battle vibe. Keeping it real and entertaining.
I believe the HT for learning how to pick your lines and sticking to them. Then when you go to the FS you learn how to pick the fastest lines and the skills learned in the HT for being smooth will allow you to be faster on the FS because it only helps to be smooth right...
Brilliant lads. I've got that same hardtail. Does spit you off if you get cocky.
#EMBN having ridden both and still own both I think it really comes down to that head tube angle. With the steeper head tube angle you just simply can’t get farther back on the bike.
Ya boys another cool ass video 👍😁 keep em coming I will be on e bike soon after I figure out if the specialized is best
Brandon Dolan of course Specialized is best. Magnificent bikes, astounding after sales service.
Great video thanks
I had a go on a hardtail ebike and felt that I need the saddle up so that I could apply weight to the back end for gravel berms as it was sliding more than a full sus. Also struggled with technical rocky uphill sections to get grip to the rear end and also got 2 punctures on the rear. Other than that it was good fun.
Great analysis, clear and objective.
Thanks for the support @jbaccanalia! Safe Riding! 👍
Great vid.
What I’ve always wondered is- what bike causes more soil displacement; a hard tail or full suspension? Of course given that the riders on both,are very skilled.
Those last rough sections you did that require a full suspension are not my idea of fun riding.
100% . If you crash, you loose health!
Love Hardtails,
Nice job boys from Colorado!
for me full suspension is a must, due to my twisting and misaligning back & neck. for me hardtail means slow careful riding & walking all rocky rooty sections, but with full suspension it means shooting trough everything. but when climbing I still get issues sometimes. but I work on my strength, so hopefully it will help.
Hope you get your things sorted out Johannes.
When climbing you can block it ?
@@bozmar1 On my current bike too, shock has a climb switch and I can adjust compression on the fork to lock it out. I rarely do, but I can when I feel like I need to. Most suspension will let you do this, apart from low budget options, some don't have lockouts or adjustments at all apart from rebound damping, some cheap forks only have coil springs and no adjustment apart from preload. but these forks are useless. But any decent low budget fork will have these things, apart from the super low budget ones.
Smith & Jones have developed a good chemistry for these videos - great stuff!
so true.
It was not his fault, I saw that rock jump out in front of him....lol. : ). Great video as always. PS - I just got my battery cover for my haibike...very nice.
Im definitely one of them riders that straddle the need for a full sus bike over hard tail. I enjoy the longer offroad slightly technical trails rather than downhills/jumps and tight technical trails. Although I do enjoy a blast along the red route at Sherwood pines. However having bought a hardtail emtb which I thought suited what I needed, I found the constant bashing of my backside whilst heading over trails over longer distances no joy at all. So swapped to a full sus and its like night n day. Way better, if more expensive.
The only drawback which still erks a bit is the fact that despite both bikes being powered by the same bosch gen 4 85nm motor, the Hardtail is noticeably punchier allround. I expected a dropoff given the extra weight of the full sus bike but not the estimated 15% or so. Shame but both are still great bikes.
I have both so that family can join me on days out up the woods. My hard tail xc style e-aspect is most definitely easier to ride after the cut off but the different tyres account for some of that and at only 2 mins faster on a 30min tarmac commute and it's not worth the added discomfort. In the woods the 160mm full bouncer will let you fly into anything
If I could only have one it would be full suspension with at least 150mm travel.
Same points apply whether you’re talking about emtb or regular mtb
I've been riding HT without electric for the past 30 years but I'm considering full sus for an ebike. Even though I've got some great downhill close by, I'm more of a trail rider. Does lockout deliver an 'almost' HT experience? On an average 20-25 mile circuit of my local area, I do find myself using the road a fair bit in between bridleways etc. Efficiency is important to me on those sections.
Best thing I ever did was buy a Suntour suspension seat post. Got one on Giant normal hardtail and one on my Voodoo EMTB hardtail. Best upgrade for comfort you'll ever buy. Just as long as you don't want a dropper post that it. Which at 58 I am not bothered about.
There is a seat post you can buy that does both
Really? I consider buying a thudbuster lt!
@@gooldii1 ????
@@johnnyboy1586 google it.
@@gooldii1 ok just did, that's an interesting contraption . The one I saw looked just like normal dropper but with suspension function as well. Just don't remember the make🤔
hardtails are better at pump tracks, for some jumps, pedalling efficiency but for the rough stuff, having some suspension on the rear helps with grip, stability and keeping your feet on the pedals, so put simply, they are both tools, it depends on where you ride and what you want to do.
But we talk about mountain biking and not dirt jumping...
In an ideal world both!
"Different Lines"
Sam Hill picks different lines and he seems to do okay!
Thanks again for the advice & clarification... Just one question remaining, would I be correct in thinking that with a soft tail that some energy will be absorbed with rear suspension & if correct that this would reduce the range of the battery ?
(Cube / Bosch hard tail rider)
Of course. Range will decrease 25%
Only just come into emtb from a Giant Trance. Worlds apart. An e-fs inspires shed loads more confidence over and above a normal fs like my Trance which was a very competent bike itself. I am hitting stuff so much quicker. This vid sums up that HT is as competent on every thing a FS can do but a full bounce can do and go just that little bit more.
Btw nice choice on the Haibike, except go for Bosch on the Haibike fs as you get the planet gear on the pivot point so no bob. I love my FS Haibike Nduro 8, just awesome
You covered that very well. BUT does anyone remember full rigid MTBs ;)
For me, you can't beat the feeling of landing with both wheels off a root drop and get that nice soft landing. REF: Full Sus. It's like skiing in powder :)
Mark Clark jesus,, I was riding a Kona with a straight fork for decades in mountians. My wrists really hurt! Thank god for FS!
@@fn7423 Ha ha yep. I still have my full rigid Kona! :)
My Nickel plated P7 was rigid, yes it was hard on the arms and wrists.
Question: Is a hardtail the only choice for very heavy riders? I don’t know the answer to this yet but in all the hardtail vs full suspension articles out there they for emtbs don’t mention rider weight as being a reason that trumps others to rule out the full suspension. From what I have figured so far it is possible to buy a full suspension Specialized Kenevo that is overbuilt enough and has an Öhlins coil spring that can be replaced with a customised spring. I’m nearly 150kg and need an 1100lb spring which is doable as a custom order and when everything I read says go full suspension I think I’m going to do it. By the way I have test ridden one although without the right spring and it felt super comfortable and the back end feels more planted than 29er hardtail emtbs I have tried so far. It is just going to be for rough hilly track/field/xc nothing in the way of technical or jumps.
Coming from 20years full suspension none powered riding on trails and single track - no silly stuff! My first ebike is a hard tail, with air judy rockshocks up front and I find it to be more precise in its handling and more predictable. The shocks are amazing. I think its more about tyres and setup than anything as I like to feel the trail and conditions. Mud is OK but a month of dry weather followed by rain can have most people coming off!
i think your selection of camera lens is not suitable during the chase up view... felt dizzy and too much distortion.. btw, very good info and enjoying the content of this channel! Keep it up!
You call it confidence. When I’m on my fs bike I get down to the bottom of the hill and think “wow, if I would have fallen I would be totally broken”. My ht bike keeps me touching reality of just how fast I’m flying down the mountain on unforgiving terrain.
...so,full suss,with lockout for climbing,would be the ideal?..great vid,btw!..
I have such solution on my e-genius and I use locking mode when I need higher BB level.
On smooth aspalt road it can be also useful to save energy.
8:55 Looks to me like you guys have different tire treads - the hardtail's are lower profile. Perhaps part of the reason for the loss of grip on the wet grass?
S-Works Levo hard to beat that, hard to choke down the price
So I've riden both full sus and hardtail both are equal good I think it's all to do with the tyres for the ride E.G having a wider tyre for grip up the front and thinner in the rear for speed. That's just how I feel.
I would love to trial an electric bike but im sure if i did i would defo want one? Do you recommend the Specialized Levo?
Love the video, but I've been mountainbiking for 25 yrs and I'm never going hardtail again!
Why?
I’d like to know how the HT’s electrics/battery would hold up in the long run riding rough trails regularly?
I imagine on rough trails you could crack your frame and/or spokes with a HT.
Better test would of been "I have 4 grand to spend on bike. Do I buy hardtail or full sus?" The hardtail would have better spec forks etc does it counter the benefit of dual sus of lower spec?
Steve, I note you rode the tech downhill on the new S-Works? How are you finding it and can you share your suspension settings? I'm close to your dimensions and my S-Works is on its way.
Hi Peter, we suggest you set the bike up once it arrives as everyone is different and are after different characteristics in a bike.
Doddy has some great videos on suspension. Here are a couple to help you get the new bike dialled in! 👍
gmbn.tech/rearshocks
gmbn.tech/essntalsuspension
Hardtail all the way for me. Having owned both at the same time, the FS sat around pretty much unused for 8 months, until I decided to sell it. Hardtails suit my requirements perfectly, and I am now on my second one after having upgraded from the first. I certainly don't miss the annual rear shock rebuild, or having to replace rear suspension bushes and bearings two to three times a year, due to wear and tear from riding in wet and muddy conditions. Riding a hardtail through the wet winter months makes a lot of sense. Running plus size also makes a lot of sense on a hardtail, as it certainly lessens impact and helps to smooth things out. Whilst pedal strikes are pretty much down to poor riding technique, they are certainly something that seem to crop up with riders of FS bikes, but not HT. The only negative for me of riding a HT over an FS is that I can ride considerably faster and confidently at speed on an FS bike, measurable in group rides, but as that isn't really my thing any way, and slow technical climbing is, I don't see that as issue either. For anyone to say that one is better than another within the comments, is just utter rubbish though. It is just personal choice and nothing more.
I started on hardtail e-mtb for 3500Kms, then got a dual sus... now the hardtail is set up for touring with a Thule rack... while the dualie does the rough stuff... both great bikes...the hard tail is a more thrilling ride on the fast stuff so long as it's not mega rough. The hardtail also has MT7s and they are staying on it...the hardtail as you discuss teaches great skills especially in picking the line of least resistance...you present well balanced discussions, argument and conclusions...well done to both of you...I really like this vid!!!
Moved to Lake Tahoe last year and was wondering what full suspension bike would you recommend at the lowest end price in the USA? $3000-3500 Great videos!
i think if i was getting a ebike id get a full suspension as darwen moors is very tricky and rocky in parts then tockholes woods is also rocky in places and different terrain etc
What about a really light hardtail like the focus raven2?
Knees and spine, thats why I prefer full. I love my hardtail but can’t downhill on the hardtail due to needing a full knee replacement.
Kind of want a dirt jumper with a bolt on kit that is easy to put on and off, got a levo but i don't dare to take such chances with it, i saved really hard for more than a year. Have a really cheap mountain bike to (diamant mogul two) and I bought that when starting to save for the levo so I had a bike while saving it cost about half of my monthly savings for the levo, now I wish I knew about kenevo before I had the store order it now i will upgrade my levo to fox 40 downhill fork and float x2 back with 2,5 with 2.8, and leave the 2,6 19inch in front. So I'm thinking about a used frame to put the levo parts on when building the dirt jumper. I would like a front El wheel to so it's 2x2 it would be really cool can get up steeper climbs in Rocky terrain really fast (can that without to) without getting wheelspin it has to spin on both wheels to spin at all.... Anyways it feels like my levo goes faster when it's a bit upwards)I have it restricted and feels like it can do more than 25 uphill and maybe less straight ahead which is weird. Anyways I am more keen on putting on more motors then derestrict the brose
Full sus all day long. Def depends on what riding you’re doing, I’d love a hardtail up to blue trail level.... There are some stunning hardtails out there, esp plus size hardtails, but a full sus makes crazy descents a joy, you don’t feel like you’ve had a kick-in after a red/black route
Unless you're good, then a hardtail is fine for anything.
Absolutely. I saw a guy at Innerleithen uplift on a stunning Chameleon... he was tearing up the trails that day. He was a broken man by the end of the day, but I tipped my hat to him.
The only downside of a hardtail Ebike is that the extra weight of the bike on the rear means that the wheel goes out of true quite often after really tough descent and I have +Boost hubs and 2.8 tyres.
Ebikes take away almost all the downsides of FS , i used to hate FS until i got an EBIKE. I got a Hard tail mid drive ebike thinking it would be best for me, i then discovered it was a massive mistake , ill never buy any thing but a FS EMTB from now on, and i traded out within months. Love my hard tail conventional bike still and will never buy a FS conventional. Two totally different scenarios if you haven't ridden the ebike hard tail vs FS you need to before you come to a conclusion, you cant compare with old school bikes as its not the same.
What is it about FS standard mtbs that you don't like? You mentioned "downsides" to FS mtbs. I haven't ridden one but am curious.
It's not old school mtbs vs emtbs. It's real mtbs vs cheating
@@ianholmquist8492 I bet you still ride a horse
This E-Bike is Awesome
An interesting comparison but I could buy a full suss Canyon for the price of that hardtail Haibike. What left me confused was that Steve was riding a Haibike at the beginnng, then at 9:24 in the video is riding a S-WORKS FS and finishes the video back on the Haibike?
No lockout should be used to keep it even. If you can afford it get full, I had full and loved it but for me and my area a hardtril suited me better so I went out and bought another hardtrail and ended up selling my full suspension.
Wow! And now, 5 years later, prices are 5 times more expensive. I don't think I've heard of anyones salary increasing 5 fold over five years. It's truly turning into a rich persons sport.
How about doing some vids on entry level bikes not top of the range
Hi thinking about getting a electric mountain bike, most of my riding will be on bumpy footpath . I have a Marin 29er. Which I find hard to ride sitting down due to shocks from bumps comeing through Seat. Do you think I would benefit from haveing a full suspension bike. Thinking of hailbike sDuro fullseven 4.0 what are your thought ?
Go full suspension, you will prefer it, and may find yourself looking for off road sections with a few jumps, and that haibike your looking at will be alot easier to sell if its FS.
I like my focus hard tale with the bosh active midd drive can go every I need just have to remember to drop pressure on my tyres for technical stuff
I go with FS all day. As they said in the video, mountain bikes are not made for commuting and as soon as you start diggin deeper into serious terrain, up OR down, the FS surpasses the hardtail everywere with ease because of tracktion. Yes, a hardtail gets better feedback from the ground, but a lockout rear shock does the same....Hardtail is only about weight and price. Speaking for E-Bikes only the price is left over, because with the help of the motor 1-2kg do not make a big difference. So what speaks for a hardtail in the end? Nothing, except it is "different"...
What about a plus size tire 27.5 x2.8-3" hardtail vs a similar full suspension with narrower tires, would anyone here think that helps narrow the gap?
I'm sure it would. Air down the + size tire depending on body wight say 16 lbs, with cush core 14 lb and the rear would be so plush. That's what I have on my FS Focus ebike and locked out technical rocky climbs are a clinch.
@@cabbynate sounds like a great setup!
Hard tail are good if u get the a good one, but go full custom are good.
As we all know and agree we all need a hardtail a fullsuss a hardtail emtb a fullsuss emtb a dirtbike. The bikes you need are calculated by the law χ=ψ+1. χ the bikes you need ψ the bikes you have!
for 4000 bucks i'd get a Sur-Ron with pedal kit
Hi,
Steep Downhills full of many loose rocks etc .....have that hard tail rough rear bounce that can be a lot more brutal & scary.
However, if you ride just smooth fire roads you could get away with a hard tail.
I’d personally never buy a hard tail Mtn Bike again. There is a greater impulse to tighten up your body to get control down a rough steep downhill when that hardtail rough bounce happens. As soon as your body becomes rigid or tense you lose that flow of absorption. As you guys know, tensing your body on a steep rough descent is a recipe for disaster. Your body needs to float lightly on the bike like you’re on a boat in water for tough bumpy terrain. Full suspension helps to absorb a lot more when combined with the above mentioned softer floating relaxed body feel. Both you and the bike have to absorb rough terrain softly when Mtn. biking.
I have had both types of Mtn bikes in the past, and prefer full if $$$ isn’t the main factor.
***You can ride anything with a full suspension that you can with a hard tail .... but you won’t be as confident & comfortable to do rough stuff as well with a hard tail.
I like not having limits placed on me by my equipment choice, I prefer it to be by my own skill confidence.
If you can spare the extra $$$ I say GO FULL OR JUST GO HOME!!! LOL!!! 😁
If going with Haibike, you may as well save over 3 grand and get a Full Seven! Spend that 3k on a trip to Whistler!
I'm old and beat up, 30 years of hard labor in heavy industry. If your back hurts, maybe try strengthening exercises? It won't work in all cases, but doing nothing and just finding every way to avoid a problem by buying (training wheels, example, Full suspension) won't cure your back issues. Get some x-rays or physical therapy. Your knees are taking the blows, your back issues i.m.o. have more to do with the geometry, reach, centered weight, Crucial importance is the size of your frame, and technical skills are a part of your pain as well. Start experimenting, stop trying to spend your way out of it. I switched my bike after brutal lower back pain and the pain magically disappeared! What a shocker! 🤣 you have to change your game up. Don't get me wrong, full suspensions are badass, but maintenance pigs, when all you want to do is ride on a Saturday with some peace and quiet.
Haibike must be sponsoring EMBN. They should concentrate on building bikes so customers aren't waiting silly times for their bike I.e. all mtn 10
Full suspension all the way ,do u have only front in your vehicle's daaa,the ride would suck,lol
Have you never seen a hardtail Harley Davidson? I personally wouldn't ride one off road but it's cool
After being used to a full suspension bike, then ride my friends hardtail which wasnt a cheap bike £2500. NO THANK YOU. Would stick with my full suspension . Plus having lockout, why buy a hardtail. Finances allowing of course
Think the Answer is simple , you buy what you can afford , we’d all like 10k dual suspension bikes , with mega battery’s ,all the toys , bells whistles, what you can afford that’s the bottom line
I could afford £1500 for a hard tail Hai bike and did . my answer at least to comfort for my rides was seat post suspension . £50 means if go over something i should not have . it does not break my back . nearest FS was nearly £ 2500 . noway could i justify that amount of money taken from the family for my pleasure . not everybody gets there bikes for free .
4k with no rear shock. No thanks. Painfull after an hr or 2. Full suss 4me👍
I rode my first hard tail this weekend as my FS is in being serviced, my niagras are now telling me why i made the right choice initially🥴
Dont forget lots of people have medical issues with their ankles and knees, and a FS can make a huge difference to those people from a pain, comfort and health perspective.
E-bike FS is the only right option, and theese machines should not be limited to 25 kph because they are limited enough by 250W engine.
Chris, get a tuning box . i have one on my bosch cx motor . it totally eliminates the cut off and 250 watts is plenty of power if it has high enough torque.
@@siriosstar4789 As far as I know such powerbox causes twice lower speed signal that is sent to steering procesor and than assistance power managemnt is different and I think it can consume much more energy from battery.
Did you notice such problem?
cris, no it doesn't consume any energy from the bike battery it runs on its own AAA battery . it does halve the speed on your display but has zero effect on performance . i have used mine for almost two years and notice no change in range or performance.
@@siriosstar4789 Thanks for information. I have Shimano Steps E8000 and as far as I know there are some devices . The con is next money to spend ...
Chris. you can buy a " Badass" tuning box like i have for about $85 dollars , i think . The 2019 version is very pricy , $149 and it really isn't any better than the older 3.4 model. The only difference is it uses a AAA battery and is a bit more water proof . The older model uses a very unusual battery that is more expensive than a triple A. I guarantee you will love it .
should have tested the 2018 2.0 version of the hard trail....its £1800
Get a hardtail😰, or a fully🤩
BUT NOT A HAIBIKE 🙈🙈🙈
Motorcycles off road,trial motocross,Trail..............all have the springy bits at the front and rear! Nuff said!
What Bike company are these ?
Haibike
Full sus EMTB and hardtail 'normal' MTB works for me!
You haven't really addressed all the issues here chaps. Yes, you can buy a full suspension bike for 2.5k however the suspension will be crap quality and barely worth having at that price point. Personally i would rather pay 2.5k for a hardtail bike fitted with Rock Shox which even the most basic are far superior to the cheap stuff. Haibike full suspension (Suntour) or Cannondale with Rock Shox Judy Gold? There are loads of 2019 well specced hard tails about at the moment at decent prices.
Can I do all those things on a folding mountain bike?
The best single advice I can offer after riding my E-HT, almost three years, on all kinds of Shropshire trails is this:
1. Install inserts (Tannus Armour being my weapon of choice ) into the rear wheels.
2. Play around with your tyre pressures until you find YOUR spot and then stick to it like glue.
3. Make sure that your front forks have been set up properly to support both you and your bikes weight.
The Tannus Armour has firmed up the back end of my bike no end and it absorbs the bumps and reduces the amount of bounce making the ride a load more comfortable and predictable than without the inserts. Tannus Armour has transformed the way I now ride my HT. I can not recommend it high enough.
Agree. I have TA on both wheels. I have tried higher and lower than normal and a lower pressure works great for grip on the mixed trails I ride on my eHT
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Only logical to also want a full squish if you want easier pedaling. Why else would you take an ebike.. its just easier and more comfortable, so just go for a full squish too.