My 1st attempt getting my macaw Jinx to like another macaw (GOES WRONG đŁ)
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 2. 03. 2023
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jinx is feeling your fear.. its like training a dog they feel there owners emotions. love you all
Agreed.
Hey! Iâm a dog trainer and dogs being anxious because of their owners is generally a myth. Some more sensitive breeds like shepherds do this on occasion but the majority of dogs will not be anxious because you are. Especially when it comes to things like reactivity aggression ect. When we well a handler to be calm itâs for them, and to try and make for better handling! (Anxious people tend to pull a dog around more, make tension on the leash ect)
Correct. Animals read energy first. Thatâs the main driver for them. Your gut feeling was only 50% right, because you went to the cage unsure and anxious already which caused Jinx to reactâŠthen your gut feelings told you something was off. But really jinx read your energy first, displayed behaviour and you read that. We canât fool animals with our energy output or masking somethingâŠ
This actually makes me feel so much better to see that even professionals struggle with this!
Trust yourself don't worry about what others will think. You know your birds you know what they are communicating with you. I hope this works out well for you all. â€ïž
I really think youâre so hard on yourself! And youâre very critical of everything you do. Trust your gut. Womenâs intuition is REAL. And youâre so good at this. And stop looking to Dave for affirmation of your knowledge and skills. And I also think your trying to beat the haters or those typewriter warriors (trolls) who want to come on anyoneâs channel just to run them down. So if you say it before they do, you have protected yourself. But you know what youâre doing. Itâs so obvious to most of us. Especially those that own parrots. Trust yo-self! Know that you know more than the majority of vets about birds. That you are truly an expert in this field, in your own right. Dave may have brought you into this, but you can stand on your own in this. 100%!!
Exactly! Pamela, you nailed it. Jaime, thank you for sharing this. It Was a great reminder. You also, have a baseline for the next time you try this.
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Dang girl, I need to print this and read it every morning. Thank you... my team tells me this all the time. đ
@@BirdTricks print it poster size-put it on your bathroom wall so you see it first thing every day. Until you believe it-like we all do!
I think your gut feeling is you picking up on your bird's state. There is huge pressure on you to have Jinx and Ava best buds. They are going to make up their own minds in their own time.
This video perfectly highlights what goes on inside the head of any trainer. I love how vulnerable you are. Thank you for sharing your thought process throughout this videođđđ
You will always overthink things but I am sure you can use your training and experience to push things through at the right time. How much does your bird read your energy? Is your energy a big factor?
You give your birds permission to fail, your students permission to fail, you need to acknowledge your need to fail and learn from what your instincts and what your birds are telling you. These videos are enormously valuable. Thank you for sharing
We all feel that the time is not always right to do something, and the fear will take over. One day the time will be just right and you will find the success you have been looking for with Jinx and Ava. Keep trying Jamie and you will find the fear will go away.
I think showing failures helps us all feel better. We can see and hopefully become as attentive and tuned into our gut as you are. Thanks for sharing!
No judgment here youâre a kind lovely lassâ€ïž
As a trainer of young humans (middle school teacher đ) I always remind my students, and myself in the process, that far more is learned through failure than through success. Failure is such an important part of the learning process and, regardless of how much experience we have in a particular field, we will always experience failures. I tell my students to embrace failures as learning moments and to really dissect failures to find the valuable information we can use to inform future experiences. Itâs also important for teachers (or those more experienced) to own and learn from our own failures, so that our students see how to work through them! I love how you showed insight and retrospective thought in this video and I think itâs a great learning moment for everyone watching! Youâre so right when you say âlisten to your gutâ yet we all ignore that feeling from time to time. Youâre such an inspirationâŠdonât beat yourself up too much! We believe in you!! â€
Not a fail just a learning moment.. it happens all day everyday if we arent hyper focused on what WE want. Listening to animals is a gift we have to trust it more. Im right there with you!â€
Thanks for sharing and being vulnerable. I have had those moments of doubts with my bird and have learned to go with what I see in her body language and how I feel.
Oh darlin.
Don't doubt yourself. You're amazing. You're changing the world for good
This is just such a helpful video to me. Iâm not a trainerâŠI donât even have a bird, I just love examples of healthy animal-human bonds. Working with animals gives us ample opportunity to think more about our own behavior, and how it helps or hinders us. I have the same struggle you do, Jamie. I really love the way you frame this discussion.
I've always been taught to "fail forward". When you fail, are you one step closer? Have you learned something from your failure? Someone who never fails never learns to work through their failures. When it inevitably happens they are devastated. Just like pain, failure has purpose. It is a natural training tool. In the same way you let your birds fail, let yourself fail. you will be better for it. You have now reinforced trusting your gut instinct. Congratulations on your failure!
Please call it a learning dayđ as long as no one got hurt it is a success to learn that you need to listen to your intuition.
Iâve been going through the same thing with my tiels, I got a new one in December and although Iâve trained her here and there and have them out together a few times a week i just feel really bad that itâs March and I havenât really accomplished anything with her lolâŠ. Sheâs obsessed with my other tiel, my other tiel is scared of her because sheâs too excitedâŠ. What scares me away from doing more is that my other tiel is old and I donât want to stress him out too much with her but he has been happier having another bird around⊠itâs difficult not to beat yourself up over time and progress but youâre 100% right that you should trust your gut and do things when the time feels right!!! đ
About you calling it a âfail day â, would you say Jinx failed because he wasnât ready for this? No! Of course not, so donât call it a fail day for you.
If you hadnât tried, you would be beating yourself up for not trying. It is simply not fair to beat yourself up for trying, and then beat yourself up for not trying. You tried. Nothing catastrophic happened. Everyone is fine and you can try again a different day. Try to have as much grace with yourself, as you do with your students. I know you would never tell a student that they failed because their bird wasnât ready when they had been putting in the work preparing for particular day.
This community loves you and Dave so much! This was just a learning day, not a fail day.
I always introduce a new parrot is in a cage, or the travel cage. Then I introduce them to each other while all in the cages. I watch the reaction. If everyone just shows interest with no fluffing or eye pinning, I let them out one at a time.
They had this experience already when I took them all to the vet in my travel trailer, but I think that video is on Patreon only and not here as most of the Ava/Jinx series is over there. This was just a video I chose to put here on YT to show a portion of the journey going on over there. But yes, that's a great tactic for sure for the first meeting to get a general tone.
I have issues myself at times of my gut telling me somethings not right, but, I talk myself out of accepting that info. I love this video because it reminds me that following your gut is truly the best thing to do. Nothing is perfect, I have learned so much from you in taking care of and training the bird I got in Sept of 2022.
I really love this video! Thank you for sharing your thought process, it is honestly so relatable. I really respect you sharing your shortcomings (I know that is difficult) as well as your willingness to learn from others and try new things â€
As an over thinker married to someone who liked to gently tease me gently when I make mistakes, I see a lot of my relationship in you and Dave. Trying to avoid giving my partner ammunition would lead to me second-guessing my own knowledge and tying myself up in knots.. Teasing and joking was how he tried to show love and support to cheer me up when things went wrong , but it just made me doubt myself more. It took some deep conversations and some trial and errors between the 2 of us to work out ways that worked for us, but we are both much happier. I just mention it as you always seem so much less confident when Dave is in videos with you, and he seems to have a very similar nature. Intuition is a good skill to have, it's OK to trust it, even if in the moment you can't put into words why.
I don't see a fail here. All I see is the first try for a meeting that was short, but non eventful because you understand your birds so much. Jinx picks up on your energy as much as you can read his and you're right, you can trust your gut feelings. It doesn't matter if it takes a long time before they can be in the same room without a fuss. You've got to do what's best for them, not for the audience, but I know you already know this. I'm not worried, you've got this.
Such a good video!! Love the behind scenes talk. Jamie donât beat yourself up! You both are amazing and work wonders!
Trust that you have enough experience to know what to expect :) i'm a behavioral neuroscientist (and love references to schedules of reinforcement ;) - when watching animals every day, you have a good idea of what antecedent behaviors are most likely to lead to the next. This isn't a "gut feeling" - it's based on your keen observations and expertise.
Yup. Always and FOREVER, trust your instincts. NO. MATTER. WHAT!!
No experiment go to plan, but we still learn from it and adapt the plan - that's just how science works.
I just bought a female blue throat baby! Iâm hoping my male will get over his fear of other birds and accept her, but weâll see
Awww what did you name her?!
@@BirdTricks Shakira! My males name is Spike :)
I think your heightened state also heightened Jinx but you for sure know whatâs best and should listen to your gut whenever you feel you need to!
A first meeting in separate aviary, is a safe choice. Where they can see each other but not get to the other. Then they don't have the person influence
We need an update on Morgan!! Or her meeting you again
The bottle opener SoundFX you used for introducing the Macaws is the same notification tone I use on my phone for messages. I thought my phone was going crazy lolll
I don't know much about birds , but dogs and cats can feel your stress and fear . I'd say listen to your guts , but stay relaxed and confident too. Again Im no professional, though I'm learning alot watching these vids đ
I noticed it as soon as you opened the door.
You are fantastic, keep listening to your Gut feelings. I made the same mistake with my
very tame, loves me, Red Belly crimson conure. Had her out, then brought out a male Princess,
Big Mistake! She was so jealous, tried attaching a bird 3 times her size. Never again!
Thank you for being so vulnerable in sharing your insecurities and self-reflection that lead to personal growth. Iâm not an animal trainer, but still almost everything resonated with me. I second guess myself a lot and spend so much time and energy beating myself up. I am trying to learn how to trust myself more and care less about what people might be thinking about me. Youâre so brave and such a great example for doing this hard work of reflection and learning in front of the camera so we can benefit too!
I love you guys, been watching over 10 years now, I love how your still willing to learn even tho you've been around parrots so long now â€ïž keep doing what your doing people will say things no matter what you do
Bless your heart! Wish I could give you a hug. Your birds and all the birds you interact with are fortunate to have you in their lives. I don't have a bird...yet. What I saw was a successful baby step and you taught me that I still have a lot to learn about body language before I get any type of bird. You have a big heart and care so much about the birds. Thank you so much for all you do!!!
I feel like jinx was reacting more to Dave. When you were walking toward Dave, jinx put his wings out and lunged and you said hey!
Get there itis. Is hard to overcome
I only applied that term to airplane disasters, but indeed it applies to so many goals we try to achieve!
I like your honesty.
I really learned a lot from this video in terms of reading body language and seeing an issue before thereâs an issue. Thank you for posting this.
Failing is the best teacher we Human's have...
Hey, just wanted to share. I also made a really bad call on my instinct, it costed my budgie's life. So I am glad your bad call didn't have as harsh consequences as mine. Learning can be painful sometimes.đą
I think a huge part of it had to be your hesitation before you even saw the bird, if your nervous or not feeling it, they sense/feel that too! I think đ it's super important that you have your confidence together from the get go! But just a thought! Love your channel and can't wait to have birds again! When my babies have all flown the nest I will have bird babies to help with the transition!
You kept wanting to abort but you didn't trust yourself & deferred your own instinct to Dave who also wanted to continue. Not a fail, you tried and saw reactions you weren't comfortable with and changed course. To heck with anyone's judgments. You didn't let anything get out of control and everyone is safe. I really hope they eventually become pals.
Welcome to the family
I really appreciate you sharing videos like this, showing that things don't go perfectly for you as well. I've beat myself up a lot for not having things go perfectly, or as well as you guys.
I wouldnt call this a fail though. You got your baseline data/status for these 2 birds. Maybe they would not have been cool with each other, even if things did feel right. Just like some birds hate water, they all have to start somewhere right? Like someone else mentioned your energy could have been off too, but with how awesome you and Dave are, it doesn't seem like there's any irreparable damage you guys can't work through!
Jinx is just a very needy boy!!! He loves you guys and so small changes and he is like âwhat the!â
I wonder whatd happen if you completely changed the dynamic and got a new trainer in go work with jinx. Just simple stuff but a new person might change the dynamic for the positive. Like you sometimes do when training others animals. You being new just gives a new energy.
Could also be worth doing big energy using training sessions with both birds individually before the meeting, so they have less energy to devote towards eachother. This would also take away those initial desires to fly to one or both of you.
Ava sure is a beautiful baby. Her and Jinx are going to fall madly in love and will be the best of friends and parents one day.
Firstly, they should be kept in the same room always instead of being kept in two separate places in the home.
The parrot flock in my neighborhood squabble CONSTANTLY. They are loud and nasty to one another. I wasn't aware that humans thought they could or would not be like that since that's how they are in the wild.
Here's to your SUCCESS DAY! :) Totally worth trying! It may have not gone like you'd hoped BUT celebrate the small successes! No one was injured. Neither of your birds got so over threshold they couldn't recover quickly. They didn't get into a fight. They didnt fly. They were both on trees in a relatively close area, being managed by both of you guys with great skill. You each were able to read their body language and know what to do, AND what not to do. It's hard not to get into your head and analyze over, and over again what you should or could have done differently, how you could have changed the setup, or aborted from the moment you saw jinx in his flight. As good trainers and caregivers we strive to set our animals up for success first and foremost, and feel like failures when it doesn't go like we hoped it would.. "trust your gut" is a powerful and wonderful message and words to live by for sure. Remember, you did trust your gut, in the end, realized he was just slightly ratcheting up, instead of down, and ended the session. Give yourself some grace, and thanks for being so vulnerable and real on camera. Voicing all your doubts, worry, and concern means you're human, and also shows your dedication and love for your birds. It reminds the rest of us that stuff like this is normal, and doesn't just happen to "me". Your video was like a breath of fresh air, and a reminder to breathe. ;) Thanks for sharing it. I work a lot with reactive dogs and their people, and I'm constantly reminding myself and my students sometimes stuff just happens, no matter how thought out and ultra prepared we try to be. Our animals have good days and bad days just like us, and how it's a valuable learning opportunity for the next time. Behavior is always a tricky read, and you have a good eye! :)
it is about the birds. we enjoy the content, but birds first.
Just keep it natural some time you can do a move that make things chaotic but without casualties just never put food for some animals in open areas without boundaries or they will attack each other because they fight about food it happens a lot when you keep a big group of animals you can watch pigeons in CZcams they give them feeders with boundaries so they don't fight maybe you didn't realise that because you didn't have a lot of birds before or you forgot about how to do it i propose putting the macaws in attached aviary with a barrier and watching them from a far distance at the same time so you can intervene if they attack each other
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My Blue Throated MaCaw was very possessive of me. She was very gentle with me, but liked to go after females I brought in the house. My 4 yr old daughter was not a problem, but adult women, it was on!!!
Wow I pushed myself also introducing my conures and it led to a fight I had to break up. I saw my oldest conure wasn't ready and ignored my gut. Now I'm so hesitant to try again. đ„ș I feel like I let my babies down. đ
There are no failures, just ways we learn do not work. They (those 'failures') narrow the choices so we can get it right in the future. The only failure is not to learn a better or different way. Remember there is a season/time for everything. This will happen when it is correct for all.
Jinx is such a brat đ
You are making the birds ack up
I think you overthink some things and you put to much pressure on yourself to make everything go "perfect" or the way you expect things to go. Just because something doesn't go the way you want doesn't make it a failure it gives you more knowledge about the animal you're training and sometimes that's the only way to get it. Love your channel
As well as we know our own animals, they are animals. The dominance need and desire is hardwired in nature. you can't override some things. whether they are mated or not they will be territorial and will act according to thousands of years of evolution no matter how much we want them to be otherwise.
Hey! Iâm a dog trainer and thereâs a lot of overlap between the two and I just wanted to say that no, it wasnât a failure. It was a Learning opportunity and data was collected. From this we learned that it isnât quite time. We learned that Ava (I apologize if names are spent wrong) is still a trigger of jinx after a certain distance, and that Ava isnât quite ready to be handled by someone else in the same room as you handling a potential hazard. I work a lot with aggressive and reactive dogs and if this were a situation with two dogs Iâd take a step or two back to working with the animals on my own, and working with them at the original distance for a few sessions before even considering moving them closer. I know it may seem like a failure but we all have to learn somehow, and this situation allowed you to learn many things about the two birdâs behavior and current ability to cohab! Will it happen some day? Maybe, maybe not but that day wasnât the day, and thatâs okay :)
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Awweee⊠maybe u should invest in another blue throated gold macaw⊠I mean comet and Tulsa have each other but jinx doesnât? I think jinx needs a sibling cuz clearly Tulsa and comet have each other. Maybe at the time you couldnât financially do so but perhaps you can now?this is so cute canât wait for more amazing macaw videos to test your theories!!!
@BirdTricks how many macaws have u owned or worked with since u have started this channel đ€
I think just the three, but sheâs worked with many more as a trainer.
Itâs so scary when they charge, they are capable to really hurt each other⊠How do they resolve their issues in nature? Does this happen because there isnât enough space?
I wonder if Rescue Remedy works on parrots.
its the same with our blue and gold and harlequin and our harlequin, i hoped cos he was half he'd be ok they can be in the same room but will wind each other up..i'm taking a suspected female to the vet on wednesday for bloods to see if i can take her home , i'm guessing she'll be barneys friend but who knows, shes not staying i found her a home, my husband id dead 9 weeks and the 2 has been a struggle since, but i cant leave her stuck in an office years..and very thin..
Your fears are transferring to the birds
Was that introduction of the two done before their bedtime?
Bubba!
I so want that red "Birds" hoody.... Link plz
Im thinking at least try a little every day. The birds will notice merging is to occur. They will get more used to it. They are worth it.
Help! My female IRN attacked my new male IRN twice yesterday! She is aggressive but he is very submissive and sweet. Will they ever get used to each other? They are in separate cages but she likes to be out most of the day...she attacked him through the bars of his cage and injured one of his wing feathers. I would not let them out at the same time. I'm new to your channel and if you have a video about this issue could you send the link? Thank you so much for all the wisdom, knowledge and experience you share with us!
I need that shirt for my husband Dave.đ. Will it be available for purchase? đ„
I saw a video yesterday in which he was wearing a button front shirt with macaws and toucans on it. I need a bolt of that fabric! đŠ
@@spiritmatter1553 I saw that one also. It was nice also. My husband loves different shirts. He loved the golfer Gregg Norman's shirt line. I would buy them for him.
Is Ava yours, hope so but Jinx is oh so. My favorite bird/ blue THROATED macaw, ?? So are you going to keep ava, or will she go to a different home, ?? Btw I realize you took Ava Ava cuz the owner couldn't take care of her , but you said proget bird, ??â€
Jaimieleigh⊠relax⊠take a deep breath⊠and relax.
You guys are doing everything right and things do take time, so if ever you feel it is too much in any way then simply abort before attempting any integration. Especially so when you yourselves are heightened and fearful by the attempt of it. You know that parrots pick up on our behaviours more than most other animals, so Jinx being heightened was possibly caused by your own nervousness. He lacked the confidence in you and there was a change in the flock that you wasn't going to be comfortable attempting, so that is how he reacted.
I don't know how you have their aviaries set up but putting Ava right beside Jinx, with a couple of inch gap between them, may have a better result of them being put together. It may be stressful for them at first, but once they recognize they are no harm to one another, then they will soon bond. Do this for a few weeks and try to give them the same things at the same time, so they can see that they are equal in every way. If you do this with their Aviaries and keep them together without any free time separately, then you may find they will come together eventually.
If you can find a space that has a glass door between two rooms, then this may help too when they need to exercise together. They can come together in their own spaces, but will also be protected from one another by the glass if an attack is imminent.
I hope this helps, and I wish you the best of luck!
Stay Safe!⊠Stay Well!⊠Stay Positive!
Stewart.
How many birds are there
Please help, my budgie is a flight budgie, I'm having trouble with taming, he's eating millet, he has to chase and he does, my problem is, he knows my hand, he knows I'm not going to hurt him, he's been on my chest, walking around, slid down my leg, but he won't get on my finger and I've done all the ' let your bird get use to you, I also read to him. He is going to give himself a heart attack if he doesn't stop being a jerk, and get scared of any noise or slow movement, he knows he's not going to get hurt by my hand. Please, I need help
how many times have you told yourself "It'll be fine" and it actually was fine?
LOL good point
Didn't Jinxi get along with Morgan?
Maybe this needs to be approached as if you're pairing them to breed.
but doesnât jinx like Morgan?
Bruh i fr thought you were birdtricks đ
You're too hard on yourself. Try to work on that for your own benefit. It was my achilleas heel and I still work on it. Best of luck!
Follow your gut feeling -always! Even if that means the audience has to wait for *that* video a little longer. The birds are on their own schedule that doesn't necessarily coincides with the human schedule (what the audience wants) and that is perfectly fine. You're putting out so much incredible material that is educational, fun and creative. To me it doesn't matter if it takes longer to get to see the next video in a certain series. -Follow you gut feeling, the flow of synchronicity will bring everything to you (and to the audience) in right timing.
And like you said, even that which at first looks like a 'fail' is an opportunity from a different perspective. đđŠ
The training sessions are too high pressure, you donât work with dogs this way when working through reactivity for good reason.
Is it that you are getting a bad feeling about something actually happening or are you getting anxious and the birds are picking up on it and responding negativity. I know working with animals myself this is something I do myself. Sometimes I plan and think so much instead of just making a plan and doing it that I think I sabotage the animals with my over thinking.
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And yet, if you were paying for and taking a class, you would have kept trying
Always trust your woman's instincts
damn racist birds lmao
You are a wonderful mentor for us, we learn so much from you and Dave. To me it wasnât a fail! It was well thought out and done carefully, and then stopped quickly when tensions arose. Now you have the knowledge of that attempt, to assist with 2nd tryâ€ïžđŠâ€ïž
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