AI is helping to create "child content"
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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2024
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Law Enforcement Braces for Flood of Child Sex Abuse Images Generated by A.I. --- www.nytimes.com/2024/01/30/us...
Offenders confused about ethics of AI child sex abuse --- www.bbc.com/news/technology-6...
Report: IWF research into how artificial intelligence (AI) is increasingly being used to create child sexual abuse imagery online. --- www.iwf.org.uk/about-us/why-w...
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AI is trained with actual images. Just to leave everyone with that horrific thought.
Somewhat, but what you're implying is not really how it works. It can combined concepts, so it never has to see such "actual images" to create them. Just has to understand what a child is, as a concept, and what explicit imagery is, to put two and two together.
@@GrumpDog Yes it has those images on its data base
@@GrumpDogoh that’s better…
@@BlueRuneGames It really doesn't tho. There's also no "database" once training is complete. Plus the companies that collect that data, go through a lot of effort to ensure there's nothing like that in them. If there happens to be a stray image or 2 somewhere in training, frankly that wouldn't even matter, as it wouldn't be enough for the AI to absorb anything, unless they had tons of images. And I highly doubt these companies are doing that.
@@GrumpDog Pls go and look how this actually works
AI uses real things that are already on the internet to create an image. That means real CSA pictures were used to generate the AI picture, so real children are being hurt.
Yeh
Don't you hate it when people act slow like how does this not cross their minds and on top of that Ai uses public images of children too, if I have kids one day I'm not going to post them online.
That’s so horrible
@@Dave-tk6lwWe. Won't.
this is beyond horrifying.
CP is CP is CP. I dont care how it is framed. It should be harshly punished or the wood chipper
Amen
Same with Lolicon/Shotacon
@@SMCwasTaken You don't care about real children, only drawings.
@@fullaregrets5015I think he's saying they're basically the same even if they are drawings
I LOVE WOOD CHIPPERS
I fucking knew this would happen. I hate it. And the fact that ai is getting even more realistic, like with that new generator Sora, makes me so incredibly anxious about what people are going to make. The Taylor swift thing too, I mean god…there needs to be laws put in place. This shit is getting out of hand.
Lbr, nothing will happen until fake pictures of important political officials surface. They won’t pass laws until it happens to themselves. :(
This!
Why does it matter?
@@GrumpDog because AI uses real images to be trained
@@dabordietrying So you don't understand what that means? Any images used during the training process are discarded afterward. They're not stored within the model, or used as part of any generated output. They're merely used to learn concepts and patterns, and how they connect and relate.
There is no such thing as "ethical child content." Not even via A.I. And I'm sure some of these people are creating this content in order to sell it, so...
Too many people in like fandoms and shit think it's ok to draw adult x minor ships or stuff like that because "they're not real" and I immediately block people like that because clearly there's something wrong with them
There is, actually.
It's content that doesn't depict children in sexual situations to begin with.
@@eliesh3833 Hot take: the only ethical child content was pre-ads Neopets. /drops mic
@@eliesh3833I think that's what they meant anyway dude
Sounds like a non-problem to me. Literally no victim.
As a society, we decide what we do and do not tolerate. Images of children experiencing SA in any context, cannot be tolerated.
Tell that to lolicon artists!
Japan is effed
In your opinion
@@torinmorris6648 you shoud be on a watch list you chomo
I'll just go draw non-sexual images of brutal deaths then. It will get more extreme until you thought police have to censor comicbook vigilantes in order to stay consistent. But I suppose that isn't important to a mob fueled on nothing but their emotions.
"Everything is still fucking terrible"
Me doing my thesis project for my architecture degree while watching this.
Please make beautifiul buildings!
Why do new buildings suck so much?
Have you read a copy of De re aedificatoria?
You should.
This is why I told all my family and friends that no one can upload images of my children anywhere. Even every mother and baby group, class or whatever me and the kids go to are told 'no photos'.
This was decided before this while AI thing blew up because I was afraid of images being photoshopped and used for who knows what
Yup, this is exactly why I don't upload pictures of my kids online either. If laws aren't made about this stuff, it's a beginning to an end.
Too late, they're online.
In 2023 there was a case in Sweden (where I'm from) where a man was convicted for "attempt to create CP" using AI (instructions by typing words). Doesn't matter in my opinion (and that of the court) if they're real or not, at least according to Swedish law the depiction of such things is illegal in itself, be it AI-generated, a drawing etc.
Well I'm happy that their are laws behind this because wtf this can be some werid loop hole for pdfiles so disturbing
I think it does matter. There has to be a victim, for there to be a real crime. I think it's wrong to criminalize people for what they do to themselves privately.
@GrumpDog found the pedo
Omg haven't heard of that! Vart var detta? Fan vad vidrigt, men fett glad o höra att dom tog det på allvar o att han blev dömd .. vet du vad han fick för straff?
I think it should be obvious that ANY AND ALL sexual child content should be super illegal, no matter what it is, pics, text, disturbing sex novels, dolls whatever... it doesn't belong here, not then, not now, never !🤮
@@GrumpDog AI uses real images to be trained, meaning there were real victims
I’ll use a real name. 39 year old, Jordon Fautz. Used AI and yearbook photos to create and distribute content, which included using the real names of students at his place of employment.
I looked up the news with that name and that is truly horrific. It said he was a part time teacher and maintenance guy so he had so much access to that school and those kids. And he sent the undercover pictures with their actual names and the school logos. Those kids could have been targeted so easily by horrible people in real life because of him. If he sent it to more than just the undercover they still could be.
Yea this is getting so distrusting especially with how prevalent it is for pedos to become teachers now they have access to hunders of underage children photos
This is as bad as those "real dolls" created to look like children. It's opening a door that should never be opened 😩😤😡
oh god.. those are horrific
People should be allowed outlets for their attractions. Fake dolls don't harm real children
@@AbrasiousProductionsthey were supposed to be for sufferers of child loss… 😭🤮
Right, there was a company that was creating the dolls for predators to utilize with the hopes that it would cut down on actual offenses but it was proven to just cause more frustration that the doll isn't real 😬
It'd be one thing if they could find an effective outlet that was an end all be all to the abuse and didnt effect real lives, but unfortunately it just continues to escalate and push the issue.
i remember hearing about that along time ago, i actually felt sick
As a female who was a victim of csa, I've never once been curious about AI Imagery of ca or csa of ANY KIND..
Not ONCE
I love your white and gold sweater!!!
It's been a decade, yet you call the army?
I see what you did there, and I hate it 😅
simpler times…
😂
That dress nearly started WW3
i'm pissing myself at "neil" saying he's fascinated with AI when all he's doing is exclusively making AI cp
It desensitizes potential abusers to CSA images.
No it doesn't otherwise violent games and movies would do the same. Studies show that is not the case. A recent one from Yale compared violent video game releases with actual crime reports. So this includes reports of violence at schools. No direct connection was found.
You're just emotional and disgusted. That's all there is to your position.
If they’re genuinely interested in ai technology there’s a million other subjects to create ai images from. I think viewing ai csa images is just as bad as the real thing.
I agree!!
Well then what if you have a desire to view that kind of stuff and you don't have an outlet to satisfy your urge? What are you supposed to do in that circumstance? Suffer in silence until you eventually snap and attack someone anyway?
@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307call that charity, my guy
@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 get help bc it's not normal.?
@@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 You want to touch kids dont you
Well this is beyond disturbing.
This is horrific. I also think children and young people could easily stumble across this just like the child anime version of this because they don’t see it as real or being hurtful and are curious. That could be so potentially detrimental. I mean when I was growing up if you saw something hardcore by accident if was usually by accident. I remember being shocked when my friends showed me her parents vibrator. Now kids as young as 12 can download it on the internet (or younger). I wonder how many of these guys are running across it accidentally or if they are actually searching it out? Because we all know that the algorithm feeds what your looking for so they may have originally just started looking at 21 yrs old and the algorithm started feeding them younger and younger and then AI generated younger. It feels so dangerous. But we know what it’s about. Money and keeping people addicted.
I had already thought about a lot of the ethical issues of AI, but the possibility of predators using it to create those kinds of images never even crossed my mind. Even after watching videos on people talking about the AI Influencer images or videos. I hate this world. Even if something could be subjectively good it always seems to end up with a side of monumental bad.
It was unfortunately a pretty soon, depressing thought to me. Watching my fears come true is haunting.
@benamisai-kham5892 I guess my brain just made the assumption the companies making the different ai's would have put more reasonable limitations on it.
Are you kidding! When I heard of AI and deepfakes, this was the FIRST thing I thought about and was worried that this would become another outlet.
@@frenchtoastflip my second thought was "how racist will they be?"
@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307 no my brain didn't automatically jump to csam. With deep fakes, my brain went more to things involved with popular public figures and satire being even more misconstrued as factual. I suppose I expected some sort of safeguards by the people developing the tech, but then again, what is consumed can be stolen and modified.
We all knew this was coming, right? People have been drawing CP thinking it was fine because “no real children are harmed”… This is so disgusting. We need to take it seriously. The laws need to catch up with technology right now.
But there ARE no victims wtf is wrong with it?
I dont understand how people can be "confused about viewing child abuse content" like ... its CSA regardless of if its real or not?? Why would you ever want to see this like legit
I’m afraid for the future I don’t even want to be a mom anymore or have kids… im too scared of offenders and the things going on
Having children is for strong people.
@@carlpanzram7081wow low blow 😒
me too... iv given up all hope of being a mommy some day. I cant live with the chance of my baby being hurt or EVEN thought of sexually!
@@carlpanzram7081 No matter how strong parents are they can't protect from all the overwhelming things like ai. Especially if people won't help regulate it. And locking up your kids from the work and internet is bad too.
Many families require being busy with duel incomes. Watch Second Thought.
It's fine to not have kids. Check out Lawrence Anton on antinatalism.
This is exactly how I feel about the whole Vaush drawn “lolli” stuff. I understand it’s not a real child, but the drawing of one is still wrong & a slippery slope..
Wholeheartedly agree! Absolutely bonkers that people are defending him and saying clips of Vaush talking about "lolli" and cp are out of context. But I've seen context and the context makes it worse, not better. I'm not even a fan of H3H3 or anything but this topic should as clear-cut as it gets. I've heard stories of creeps trying to groom minors by showing them lolli sh1t. Even more disturbingly, I've seen screenshots of 4chan forums where a guy who was really into it found himself turned on from seeing little girls at the beach calling them "real-life lollis". This is so incredibly disturbing.
@@-nvmanyhow1436 I saw an old video of young little kids from japan leaving school they looked to be about 3-4 and the people in the comment section called them lolis🤢
its all p3do material, it fuels people's sick fantasies and encourages them to want the real thing. VILE
@@-nvmanyhow1436 the "creeps trying to groom minors by showing them lolli sh1t" happened to me, almost a decade ago, but i have actual ptsd from it now. it's a very real issue that isn't taken seriously because it's "just fiction".
@@vbucks_purchaser I'm so sorry this happened to you. Wish you all the healing in the world! ❤️ And I hope more people and society in general will start to recognize the very real danger and harm this type of absolutely vile stuff actually possesses.
Artists have been talking about this for YEARS already. But no one listened. People just do not care.
This should be illegal to produce or own! It should immediately notify police when someone downloads it to their computer by tracking them if possible.
1. People can generate ai images on their own pc‘s when using the correct equipment.
2. This exhaust further police resources, which we need to get offenders who abuse real children. Not to mention that taxpayers' money is spent on every prison inmate and you may have one less taxpayer for each inmate. Furthermore these people get to know real offenders in prison and have harder times to get a usual life afterwards. This will not going well.
@@sasbe1852A child assaulter doesn't deserve a good life.
Off topic but this hair and brow color looks amazing on you! Love it
Seconding this. The reddish brown looks so good! 💖
This reminds me a lot of the whole loli h*ntai controversy, but this is like a huge step up. Like if it looks and/or acts like a child, dont beat off to it, even though its not real. Lolicons and ai cp is literally just the entry to p*dophilia idk why ppl dont understand that.
That is not how it works.
Pedophilia has been an issue, even culturally accepted practice, long before CP was ever a thing.
People aren't suddenly being turned into pedophiles. This is extremely easy to prove in a thought experiment. Are you ready?
How much CP do you think would you have to look at until you would turn into a pedophile?
Right. It doesn't work this way. Pedophiles seek CP, and CP is immoral due to the victims of its process of creation, but outside of that it has no further impact.
There is no amount of pictures you need to look at until you suddenly go out and actually abuse/Rape a child. This is not how it works.
People attracted to lolicon are objectively pedos. And they all know this. they just don't like to be called it because of it's stigma but they are.
She's not wrong about the laws and rules of the internet. My sister thought she was getting a great deal on a deep freezer and she paid like $130 for it. When it came in it was a dollhouse sized freezer for a dollhouse.
Did it even freeze?
The ONLY non investigative use for that I can conceive is if someone was meant to push the boundaries of filtering in an AI image program so that they can. Fine tune said filters to prevent the program from creating such material.
Yuck. This whole situation/ concept is foul.
I think AI needs to be abolished completely. People are being scammed with it, companies are using it to avoid paying real people for customer service jobs. I personally think it causes more harm than good.
Too late.
I disagree. AI is used to process a lot of data points at inhuman speed and accuracy if it's trained enough. AI being abolished is only going to hurt the country it is abolished in. They will inevitably fall behind technologically. Unfortunately, AI is ABUSED. The abuse of AI should be abolished. I am not an expert in AI, so I don't have an answer to how to regulate it in the free market. If you want to abolish AI, Tesla would have to say goodbye to its collision detection system. AI is involved in a lot of things, not just speech and image generation.
it's raping real art too, It needs to be banned, it never should've even existed, I never liked AI.
Facts
@@skylarp8689People forget AI isn't just OpenAI and such. Tons on things have relied on AI for a long time. Video Games, healthcare. They're used AI for a long time and they need it. You can't just abolish it because of what companies like openAI are doing with it. We mustn't forget what AI initially is and demonize all forms of AI.
What really fucking scares me is how "normal" cp is in for example manga. All this "hentai" shit should really be banned. it's not art and shouldn't be treated like it is
Okay but..hentai isn’t always children? It actually usually isn’t? And anime certainly is art, and almost never cp. it’s too normalized but let’s not try and say all manga is porn and not art. You sound dense and you’re retracting from the true issue- pedophiles and pedophilic art
Finally, someone else gets it 🙏 preach your truth brother
NSFW content of minors is so normalized, it’s so tiring to be an anime fan because everything is sexualizing minors to a crazy extent, you can’t even be apart of communities like Touhou, Persona or RWBY anymore (though tbf RWBY has always had a gross fanbase since the start), because all those communities sexualize minors to the degree of normality. Imagine such a sick world where this stuff is actively encouraged and normalized everywhere online-sadly we’re already one foot deep in it. It’s not even just anime, games do this too.
Megaman Legends 3 unfortunately featured an artist who did wonderful work for the concept art, but unbeknownst to most people, was actually someone who actively drew gross loli art of characters not even above the age of 10. It’s so sickening how this content is so normalized in Japan that they don’t really care about it, a metric ton of Japanese artists draw NSFW of minors and it’s really sad to see.
@@cloudirubez07 whats wrong with rwby?
AOC varies from places. and even then it isnt actual people soo@@cloudirubez07
@@cloudirubez07 my hero academia is especially bad, saying this as someone who considers themselves being into the media source and observing how the fandom functions long enough to be a "fandom veteran" (5-6 years now with periodic relapses and remissions in interest) I mean some of the ways underage femme presenting characters are portrayed in the original source are kinda weird and iffy...definitely worthy of a brief side eye but not unexpected because it's a common trope in shounen fiction but the fandom can take that and just completely run with it like really far. Age gaps, power imbalances, inc3st, hella toxic relationship dynamics, Fetishization and s3xualization of characters who are supposed to be in freshman-junior year of high school (at least in America I'm not knowledgeable about how the education system works in Japan and what sort of milestone tracking process they use tho) and putting them in compromising or exploitative positions. The list goes on unfortunately and I think it might be less common now as mid 2000's (like 2015-2016 and earlier) fandom culture is somewhat dying down and losing popularity especially on spaces like tumblr but it's still a prevalent and borderline impossible to ignore issue I come across. I feel so uncomfortable interacting with the online fandom to an extent as someone who's been a victim of gr00ming pdfphilia s3xual harassment and childhood abuse I tend to stay a comfortable distance away from online fandom and stay in my own little niche with my friends and mutuals. I only interact with content involving consenting adults and even then I heavily filter and curate my feed for potential trauma triggers like stalking(yandere) etc. The fact at some point in time and maybe even still now that drawing exploitative content of minor-aged fictional characters is wrong being an uncommon and even disliked opinion in anime fandom spaces is concerning at least if not super uncomfortable and worrying. There's worse out there I'm sure I'm unfortunately not surprised but that's as far as I'm willing to look for my own sanity
This needs to be told to the anime community.
This is making me so scared for the children. Tbh whenever i have a child im never putting their pictures online jeez. Any creep could take their pic and generate disgusting material. Deep fakes and AI images are getting so realistic so fast in only a short amount of years.
Still gross. Don't care if it's fake.
it's never been more over
at this point becoming a hermit living away from society has never seemed so appealing, shits spiraling
I’m going to vomit, what in the fresh hell.
I remember when i was a child and we had to find photos online for a project. I was trying to find children exploring but i misspelled it as child exploiting thankfully it was a school computer and it didnt show me anything traumatic.
Could you imagine if they started utilizing deepfakes too? Absolutely heinous.
They can soon. Sora AI is now out.
The worst part is you KNOW there are going to be people against these regulations because it would "infrige freedom of speech" or would somehow "infrige their right to privacy" or whatever. Ugh.
What regulations are even possible? I'm against criminalizing anything that doesn't have an actual victim. I think that's a pretty clear bar to set.
@@GrumpDoggo find a job 😂
@@Kuromikinnie I'm okay on that for now, thanks. Tho how will any of us find jobs, in a few years? Current predictions estimate anywhere from 25 to 60% of the workforce will be out competed by AI, by 2030! And if even half of that comes true, there's gonna be chaos. We really need to implement an AI Dividend, to repay people for their data and content that trains AI to compete with them. Can't make AI go away, so what other option do we have?
I've already seen those comments.
@@GrumpDog lmao imagine hating the idea of not being bum. You seem like Loli defender so you ain’t got much going on for yourself
I think the best that can be done now is to regulate and slow the curve. But the damage has been done. I fear.
The fact that there's a demand means it'll lead to a supply, so no. Maybe one way is to ensure that ANY thing that is AI generated must be watermarked and tagged with the creator's username/details? Idk
I don't think it was ever possible to regulate AI image production in the first place. The only thing you could possibly regulate are the databases these AI models are trained on. "Abolishing" AI is not possible. Anyone can create an AI module with the right software engineering knowledge. Abolishing this technology in the States doesn't remove it from being abused. The internet crosses international borders. AI training models are not just used in image production, too. How do you regulate the nuance surrounding that? It'd be a goddamn nightmare. Like I said, only the databases could possibly be regulated.
Also, if it's illegal to draw and distribute child content, then it's illegal to generate it. Dunno why people generating these images are confused about the legality.
Ai can't actually imagine anything. The computer can only make what it knows exists- like idk real children. It hurts everyone- its part of the reason why im so scared for AI. Let the damn robots take over, we're hopeless
You got it exactly wrong.
AI learns concepts, like "child" and "porn" and then combines them. It never had to see any real CP, it's actually Completely made up, that is the whole concept behind it.
You can also ask it to show you an avocado chair, or a bunker made of green glass on Mars, and it will.
The whole concern about weather or not its legal is wild. Legality and morality dont necessary equate to the same thing, you can legally be a bully but that doesn't mean bullying people is a good thing, you can legally do a lot of unethical, evil things but that does not make it ok. Arguments in favour of this are pretty much the same as arguments in favour of lolicon, its all very slimy and comes across as a way of shifting blame.
Kinda gives me the vibes of "I didn't kill anyone, I just hired a hitman".
Yeah like maybe cannibalism is technically legal doesn't mean it's okay in most consensus or you should do it(yknow like kuru or vcjd or parasitic infections or HIV aren't a joke) law and morality are supposed to work hand in hand (at least in a perfect world where theres no corrupt justice system that completely contradicts what peoples morals are anywhere)
I remember ages ago looking at some AI chat bot and it had adult filter thing.
the first bot was a child.
like an anime 4 years ago.
Now I can't really think about AI content without this memory.
Reminds me of how I just wanted to generate a cute image of a fairy using an AI image generator for a concept awhile back, and it made it into literal CHILD PORN. I was so utterly disgusted. It was a feeling I never want to feel again. It disturbed me to the core. I literally had a panic attack! :c The fact that it was so easy to come into contact with, even WITHOUT seeking it out, is so, so incredibly concerning. Those poor babies, the internet is a dangerous place.
@@bee1411unfortunately with how most AI mechanisms work, they’re trained on subsets of data that people feed them. the CP showing up was from previous users :/
@@bee1411Jesus Christ! Sorry that happened, I luckily haven't had that happen yet, and yeah, at that point, I feel like posting innocent pictures of your kids would have to only be limited to the friend group that you trust to not post those publicly
@@nuisance3345 EXACTLY???!!
@@electromenzgd2962 This! If I ever had children, I would never post them! It’s not worth the risk. Also thank you, yeah it sucked, but thankfully I haven’t had it happen to me again! XD It’s been long enough now to where that memory’s specifics have been pushed into the forbidden memory box. 😂😅
its absolutely terrifying ive seen ppl advocate for this stuff on twitter, AI should be banned! idc if it can help it's always gonna be used for stuff like this!!
I have no words to describe my anger towards this situation!
Same dude
Title alone is terrifying
Wtf...
I just scrunch up thinking about what lengths these people go to... I don't think anyone who does these things can be managed. Maybe before, but not after.
Agree. They can’t be managed because they don’t want to be. They’re evil people. They aren’t sorry
I’ve never actually felt “the ick” before. But this? This makes me feel disgusting. Nasty. The more I think about it the worse it gets.
This is exactly why fucking AI needs regulations man...why have some of them have NO REGULATIONS AT ALL.
Any sites or apps hosting AI services will probably end up locking accounts that search anything of this sort and if multiple accounts are made on the same ip then the ip gets banned from that service. Not sure how else this could be solved
I def went on live leak and watched a guy jump from a roof and accordion himself on the concrete. But that’s about where my curiosity ended. Because that was traumatic.
Oh my god, that’s terrible. It’s called secondary trauma. The only real people who can continue to watch that type of stuff are people with real issues. If you know anyone who likes to watch it I would highly recommend staying away from them.
@@Dominique_99 yeah it was pretty terrible. I was like 13 when I saw it. I’m 27 now and I still have nightmares sometimes about it. Like that poor guy is now just immortalized for sickos to watch now. It’s really sad
Jesus. I’ve seen videos like that against my will. Never searched for them, just stumbled across them. A lot of animal abuse, too. But I saw one very graphic video of a man getting his face blown off with a shotgun. The group it was posted in claimed he was a chomo, but there’s no way to know that’s true and the murder was “justified”. There’s some horrific shit on the internet and so many people have become desensitized and think it’s funny. They have no respect for human life, it seems…
@@lilscenechick1995 I agree. That was a life. Who knows if he was really a bad person and I think that terrible people like chimos and just the worst of the worst should be definitely put down… but it’s not a vigilante type of thing. Let the people whose job it is do it. And not everyone believes in the death sentence which is fine and I can respect that but I just hate people who mess with children. Especially because I’m a mom.
But yeah dude and I’ve seen animals being killed on accident before I remember a video on Facebook going around in its early days of a guy who had a piranha as a pet and he fed it a live hamster. The poor thing was trying to swim away and that fish took off its entire lower half and all that was left were the bones still attached to the alive hamster and it’s top half and the hamster was still trying to swim away right before it died. That traumatized me too. I am studying marine biology and zoology. I love animals. The fish was not at fault obviously but the psychopath who did that to the hamster is a messed up person. I cried for days after that and even thinking about it makes me wanna cry.
That’s not what traumatic means please stop musing these words
when we as artists first started to raise awareness that gen ai would not stop at stealing artists' work but also generate content such as CSA and revenge p*rn and tried to explain that gen ai tech was also an issue of consent, we were accused of fearmongering because apparently we wanted to 'gatekeep' artistic expression or whatever.
It is fearmongering, because even if true, it doesn't mean we shouldn't have the technology. Should Photoshop have been banned when it was first released, for similar reasons? Because I'm certain I remember someone fearmongering in the media about it, back then.
1. its not fearmongering when you warn people about the actual dangers of the technology. what we warned about came true to a t. its literally the entire topic of the video. its like saying its fearmongering when you warn someone about an illness's capacity to cause a pandemic, or telling someone that not wearing their seatbelt will cause them harm.
2. photomanipulation existed before photoshop, the history of photomanipulation dates back to the 19th century.
3. there are laws and regulations in place for crimes that have been comitted via the use of photoshop. none such law for gen ai currently exists and ai techbros are trying to lobby against artists campaigning for the regulation of gen ai.
4. photoshop and gen ai are NOT the same things and you can't compare the two. gen ai is 'trained' via countless images all over the internet, their owners and subjects unconsenting, without any regulation whatsoever. photoshop is an overpriced digital art program. you should look up their differences.@@GrumpDog
@@Gaspardicles All entirely beside the point.
its not though??? its exactly the point@@GrumpDog
The only time I have ever looked up anything close to this is when I discovered the debate around l0licon and I felt I needed to see what these people were posting and defending that had people so upset. I went to the accounts of the l0licons who were fighting tooth and nail to defend the consumption of that stuff. I honestly assumed like they can't be THAT bad if so many people are defending it........yeah no it was hentai of like literal fcuking 3 year olds, and half the time it wasn't consensual....I'm still surprised that it's considered illegal to make or post it when every hentai sight is majority underage or underage looking characters and people on twitter have entire accounts dedicated to posting l0li.
"no children being harmed" yeah ai children in those image arent real, however, the world is full of real children who these people will seek out and harm because if they watch ai CSAM and "thats okay" soon enough they will want the real thing
Vaush breathing heavy right now
For a sex that gets a slap on the wrist for the same behavior this comes off as toxic, preachy, hypocritical.
I think I remember you talking about the ethics of this a few years ago. Or rather the ethics of Child S offenders using…”dolls” to satiate their urges. Ugh, i’m with you on these subjects. Totally agree this stuff should not be simulated. They should be focusing on warding away their intrusive urges/fantasies. Not ab*sing fake victims to satiate them.
Not abuse if no real person is harmed
@@EdenthelRei uhm it comforts sick people who think of children this way which makes them think it’s okay to have these sick thoughts. if you have any type of thoughts regarding children and sex, you SHOULD be uncomfortable with that. the “dolls” and ai images are inherently harmful because using them will only progress to worse and worse things.
@@EdenthelRei that will only desensitize them to the act. It’s counterproductive and ethically wrong.
@@benny_boop should it also be illegal for people to engage in CNC because it will desensitized them? I think people without outlets rape and people with outlets masterbate
Just like we cannot stop people from drawing offensive imagery, we cannot stop people from using new technology they can run on a private computer. It's not about whether we approve or disapprove. We don't really have any say over what other people do, when there's no real victim.
Let's not forget AI uses "samples" to generate the data to create these images. So, that's still actual CSEM rehashed into a completely generated image. I, too, believe people can get help before they offend but if you have to call a help line to just ASK the legalities of whether or not it's illegal and moral, you know the answer, already. Be for real.
Not how that works at all. It's the complete opposite.
Why do you feel comfortable talking about the way AI image generation works if you have no idea? 😂
Stop spreading wrong information.
I can honestly say, hand to heart, that even at my MOST kinky, horny and high, I have never sought out, or drawn, or requested from AI, any imagery of child sexual exploitation, nor of animal sexual exploitation, nor even, for that matter, ever fantasized about those things. Period. If your sexuality is wired such that those thoughts or images are a turn-on, SOMETHING IS WRONG. Very very wrong. Looking, for example, at "hentai" or anime porn in which the characters have huge breasts, they are adults, right? But if the character is depicted AS A CHILD, there's abso.utely nothing ok about that, and I don't care that it's "just a drawing" because it's creating those neural connections between pre-pubescent bodies, and sexual gratification. I knew a guy who was so addicted to porn that he lost the ability to enjoy actual sex with a real person. He never got it back, and he killed himself in 2002, at about 38. We were friends from high-school in the 80's, throughout our twenties and 30's, until he died. I mention it because it made me realize that there is a huge connection between what we watch/fantasize about/get off to, and our real-life experience of sexuality.
100% facts. Human sexuality is incredibly complex and waaaay more intense than what people think. Ironically, the internet tricked people into thinking that sexual imagery doesn't mean anything while trapping their brain in a crazy loop they can't climb out of.
let's please not call it "child p**n*" (7:47) not trying to sound nit-picky but when we use that word as opposed to CSAM it reinforces the idea that CSAM is in some way comparable to adult content instead of what it is - material portraying child abuse (I know you referred to it as CSAM most of the time but just wanted to emphasize this as a survivor myself)
THANK YOU
Hey sorry but I thought the term was CSEM. Is that also okay to use? I'm assuming the A is standing for "abuse" so i guess that is even more accurate to what happens
What does the M mean???
@@Genesisorgin material
@@neeren777both terms are okay and accurate to use - people use them pretty interchangeably
And everyone was telling me I was crazy for saying that it was a little dangerous to be handing out those Valentine's cards with your kids faces!!! This this is why.
Even just people trying to justify it by saying 'its not real', even though AI uses real images to learn so it's used real children. Artists drawing CSA is just as disgusting bc it's still used by predators as CP, doesn't matter if it's a fake character. It's still specifically exploiting a child and giving predators things they want
It really sucks being a fan of anime. Anime fans (and mangakas as well, among thousands of other Japanese artists) have been drawing this type of content for decades (the earliest being in the 80s if I believe), and yet to this day, nobody bats an eye. They still find jobs, they still are loved, and still idolized.
Whether it’s Touhou, Persona, or RWBY, you’re always going to see a sexualized or NSFW image of a minor somehow, and everyone seems to defend it with their lives. Just sad.
Even the biggest anime creators Gigguk and TheAnimeMan, who you might know as members of Trash Taste, Grant and Joey, have said they unironically find Asuka from Evangelion hot. Asuka is a 14 year old.
Though tbf, Evangelion itself was sexualized from the very beginning by it’s own creators and artists, which is already bad in it of itself.
Joey and Garnt even defended the anime Oreimu, which if you’ve watched it, that’s all you need to know. Along with TheAnimeMan defending loli content in one of his older videos (which I assume is still his opinion to this day), there’s a lot of sick things that happen in the anime community that people could care less about. Now that it’s happening to AI, all I can say is “I told you so.”
It’s actually a good thing anime got popularized-this means this content, and any NSFW art of minors online, will slowly but surely becoming less forgivable, and one day might even vanish. Though that isn’t in our lifetimes, I pray it happens someday.
Thanks for talking about the normalizing of p3do in things like anime. I've been talking about it too. I also disliked how some people made excuses that it was ok if it was teen on teen or kid on kid in the entertainment. So what? Adults and kids watch it. Why would normal people be ok with watching p3do? Or the excuse that "there's romance" with that physical intimacy. Anime can be pretty graphic too.
Including fan art. Even of very young kids, like 12 yrs old.
There's p3do and beastal1ty in kids' anime too. In Yokai Watch, a fox humanoid named Kyubi disguised himself as a human boy and tried to seduce 10 yr old Katie. A adult man was attracted to Kyubi. It's p3do either way if Kyubi is a adult trying to seduce a child or if he was a child and attracted to by a man.
Some people made a excuse it was ok to be attracted to underage teens in Bleach because they said those teens had old ages. That's cause they're magical beings but are still teens in and out. Chronically old age or not why would normal people want to be attracted to and watch or draw p3do of teens?
If those people think those magical teens aren't teens then they're saying the mangaka put in p3do when he made one of the magical teen, Shinji flirt with a human 15 yr old named Orihime.
Haku in Spirited Away is ancient but he is like the same age in and out as the 10 yr old MC. I see him as a kid. I think Miyazaki meant it that way too.
The Bleach mangaka did put in p3do btw. Such as making Yoruichi show herself nud3 to 15 yr old Ichigo. He also made 15 yr old Orihime have a big bust. The anime has people talking about, jiggling, and characters trying to touch Orihime's bust. Etc.
A kid's anime called Cardcaptor Sakura has Sakura teacher saying he wanted to marry on of his 10 yr student and having a uncomfortably close relationship with her. Among other things.
There's other examples and excuses from people.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c Finally, someone who agrees! It’s really sad. I also hate the “but I’m 14 too so it doesn’t matter!” Or the “but the characters are all the same or similar age so it’s ok!”, like that makes it any better.
Worst of all is that Cardcaptor Sakura (which the p3do thing in it I didn’t know about btw, that’s news to me) was very nostalgic to me mainly because of the opening, so it’s sad to see that it has that stuff in it, but so much anime does that it’d be weird to *not* have it, or be s3xualized in general for that matter.
Speaking of people trying to normalize p3do things in communities, aside from RWBY and Persona, like Ruby being 15 or the many Persona characters not even being adults-just look at the Megaman community. I love Megaman, but many of the fans of this series are unfortunately gross p3dos because of how many female characters are minors in these games-Roll, Aile, Mayl, Sonia, Ashe, etc, are all female characters in Megaman who are very popular for often gross reasons. Rather than respect the fact these characters are minors, many artists and the people who indulge in these things just go “Oh Aile is 14, and Roll is 7-12 years old and Ashe is 15? Who cares, it’s all fiction!” and continue to s3xualize these otherwise innocent characters.
Worst of all? Capcom themselves aren’t innocent either-like I said before, many Japanese companies unfortunately are very compliant with these people and often-times hire them, for example the Megaman Legends 3 artist, who admittedly made beautiful concept art for Legends 3, but once you check any of his social media, unfortunately find out he’s a sick p3do who draws very gross and unsavory art of Roll and all the other *very* young Megaman characters. It’s very sad to see how complacent Japan is as a country when it comes to this stuff. Even the creator of MHA allegedly thinks his own minor characters are attractive, so it’s like walking on eggshells as an anime fan.
We're all screwed. Once AI masters making new content w/o the actual images used, then what do we do ? :(
The current tech cant really do that. AI generated images from AI generated images get progressively worse.
i don’t think that’s possible
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this hair/brow colour suits you SOOOOO WELL
We need better Operative Wording. The man should sit before a jury and judge, maybe a little tar and feather before anything.
I knew this was coming, i believe this is a pretty good reason to ban AI generated imagery as a whole
Banning ai is not going to happen, will just turn people off, and is a waste of time. Better to fight to regulate it and make people, ai, and social media disclose that something is ai.
This is the straw that broke the camel’s back and made AM hate us in “I Have No Mouth”.😢
No; it was the fact that AM was forces into existence against its will, made sentient and sapient, with the ability to experience said existence in total clarity, and in its unimaginable mental anguish, 5 humans aside, executed Mankind for that crime. If it hadn't become self-aware, it would've just gone about its designated tasks, easy-peasy.
And deepfake content has hit a new low.
If it's NSFW content of a kid, be it a photo/video/AI/drawn, it should ge illegal. All of it.
I only came here to say you are looking AMAZING lately xx ❤
You’re as beautiful as ever. So nice to see you’re still protecting those who can’t protect themselves. 🔥🔥
I don’t care if it’s real or not if you have the urges to even THINK to look at that content then it’s time for you to discontinue the game of life
As much as StableDiffusion helps make AI more accessible, I feel like open-source AI image models can cause more harm than good, because they're open, truly offline, anonymous and infinitely customizable.
AI is basically an advanced collage program, so of course AI generated CP is illegal, the program uses real pictures as a reference.
Horrifying and disgusting. Those poor babies who's pictures are being used. People are evil.
Just wanna say that hair color looks AMAZING on u!!
Its like they’ve never heard of escalating crime. Once they get a taste and a high from what they’ve done, they'll seek it more. And with higher risk.
So how come none of these sickos that got arrested had any evidence of AI generated stuff
Social media is encouraging this disgusting behavior
My son is in middle school, and I have had 3 phone calls from the principal that went out to every parent that indecent photos of 3 different minors were going around, and to report it if you find your child with them. It makes me wonder if some of these photos were done with AI because of how accessible it is. That's what makes it so scary too. It's not just adults being victimized by this, it's young children as well.
I don't get why some are so adamant about AI being the future when I only see it as doing more harm then good
Because the good that AI does is often not publicized. You hear more about AI being used to create visuals and audio than scientific uses. AI DOES do more good than bad. AI is a tool used in data processing. It processes loads of data at faster speeds and more accurately than humans. Therefore, it will lead to a technological renaissance. Unfortunately, this technology is being abused for non-scientific uses and this bad shit is what is publicized. It doesn't help that these image generation websites are open to the oh-so-intelligent public.
"Confused" disgusting to even think that way or want to view anything related to it no matter how the imagry was made. There is no argument for it. IT'S ABSOLUTELY WRONG
I’m going to throw up…
Isn•t that how the legality of lolicon works? . That it•s not actually a real image . i•m not really into that stuff personally , but i think that•s how the law is already set .
“Offenders are confused.” The most oddly satisfying saying I’ve read in a while. 😂😂😂😂😂 Isn’t that a good thing ?! Sadly it’s a very fine line touchy situation. Children are still involved. And still being hurt. I can see both sides to this issue. It’s a catch 22.
No it's not a good thing because viewing AI CSA images is bad and wrong, these offenders are not sure if that is the case. So it's creating a possible loophole and misleading people who are trying not to offend or worsen their problem. What side of pro viewing AI CSA are you thinking of?
I see a bunch of people who think CP is being used to train AI image generators. If this where the case, the people who trained the models are gonna be added to the list of people going to jail, which hasn't happened yet. The AI is coming up with it, because it can combine and create to an extent. We need regulations. AI can skyrocket humanity technology wise, but we don't need public image generators for AI to be helpful. I'm not defending anyone, only trying to clear up some common misconceptions.
AI as the technology isn’t the problem….its the people using the technology. PEOPLE programmed AI, as you said like giving it instructions and ‘teach’ it what matches the parameters and correcting it when it’s ‘wrong’. Additionally, the harm doesn’t stop at ‘real children getting hurt’ by being in the images….what about a child accidentally viewing an AI generated CSA image?? Is that not JUST as harmful?
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That top is cute! And that hair color looks nice on you!
That hair is your colour! You look so beautiful in that reddish oh myy💕
Yeah, I get morbid curiosity. When I was younger, I did that whole gauntlet challenge thing. Why? Idk. I think I felt like I had to prove something to myself. But I have NEVER, ever ever ever ever ever, wanted to see THAT. I think that will mess me up irreparably. You can't unsee things. My respect to people that HAVE to look at that stuff as a job in order to catch pedos because it would mess me up psychologically to the point of gouging out my eyeballs or kms.
if you are "fascinated by the technology" then you would look up something like, my favorite character in outer space or pink aliens holding kittens or smth actually creative not LITERALLY CHILD P0RNOGRAPHY!!!!!!!
I’m so glad there’s more bad than good with AI. Maybe now we can all in solidarity become against it and stop it
AI does more good than bad. It can analyze an incredible amount of data points. It can point out trends at inhuman speeds. Think of a Tesla EV. People saying "AI should be banned" have no idea what the fuck AI even is. AI is not only image generation. It is a tool that will propel us into a better world *if it's not abused*. It makes mundane tasks faster and more accurate than a human can do. If people are going to critique AI, at least be specific about what you are critiquing instead of dumbing it down to "AI bad".
Thank you for being based as always Julia. I wish this could reach more people.
This reminds me of the discourse about Ao3 allowing written work/fanfiction of this nature as long as the children aren’t real.
It’s a whole mess and a half.