Emergency declared in my Citation 501. Elevator trim stuck, night single pilot IMC with icing.
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- It was pretty scary to say the least!
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Excellent handling of a challenging scenerio! As a FSI CE525 instructor/check airman of 13 years your handling of this situation as single pilot was superb! Single pilot operation requires you to have inmate knowledge of every page of AFM manual. That being said you the BEST thing a pilot should do. "FLY the airplane first". Your situation awareness was outstanding and moved right along with the flight right up to exiting the aircraft! I have always promoted if you are hand flying the aircraft as a single pilot in IMC conditions do not start READING things. Sit back and just fly. Keep ahead of the flight. I have always trained the jammed trim scenario rather than the runaway trim because of the frozen actuator issue. Again, AFM knowledge is a must when your the only one up front! Don't beat yourself up! Your performance matches the top aviators I've seen and checked! Also, in this day everyone is generally multi-tasking and we need to be aware of this and allow this in the cockpit - quiet cockpit is what we use to call it!
Multi-tasking not allowed in the aircraft!
so..even though there was a checklist it wasn’t a memory item..thus the problem of single pilot flying without a autopilot..fly the airplane first!
@@FlyWithNoam another scenario I had right out of maintenance on a C550 they replaced the elevator trim cables..but rigged them backwards so the acceleration on takeoff with trim set for takeoff had excessive down trim, This was realized immediately after lift off so the faster we got the yoke was pushing the nose down to the runway with a strong push. I processed all this within 3-5 secs. I kept from hitting the runway, slowed the acceleration which eased the control pressure and flew real slow until I put nose down trim which let the flight controls begin climbing the aircraft.There isn't a checklist for reversed trim cables. I just reacted slowly and flew a return pattern and landed. Again, sit back and fly the aircraft and make it go where you want it to go. No time for reading!
Kudos
Well done captain. As a 32 plus year airline pilot, I am impressed with how you managed such a high level stress situation while being single pilot with incredible professionalism and flying skills. Your SA was spot on. Great job ….
What an incredible job you did and keeping yourself under control and checked, at night and in IMC conditions with icing building up, top notch.
Stress? Pull the c/b. Then compensate with muscle.
IMC, night, icing, single pilot jet….hope it was worth it. My uncle who was a Pan Am Clipper pilot told me once after a flight like yours, “if you live through it, it will make you a better pilot. But it’s best to avoid those types of learning opportunities.” It was very sage advice.
@@FlyWithNoam Ice doesn’t care if it’s night or day. I’ve seen “lite icing” on the windscreen suddenly become like concrete out of a pool guniting hose. Most airlines, as policy, prohibit their crews from flying into reported moderate icing conditions. In flying, caution and avoidance beats bravery and skill everyday. Retired now from 30 years of commercial flying.
Excellent airmanship!! Kudos 👍
Great video and great learning opportunity for others. You were for the most part in control and came down safely and analyzed what you could have done better. Good job.
Outstanding situational awareness, and extreme professionalism, while remaing calm in a FUBAR situation. I'm a former FA for the CRJ and the Jetream 4100. I had to handle emergency situations in the cabin, such as loss of cabin pressurization due to a faulty door seal at 26,000 feet, and a few others, bit somehow training and retraining kicks in like second nature. All I can say is, I'd fly with you any day!
@@FlyWithNoam you're more than deserving of it! Honestly
I carefully watched the whole video, and I was quite impressed with your "stress", as I would not have know you were in any trouble had you not mentioned it. To not panic is always the right answer, which you did, very well...
I was Type Rated in the C500 , I learned a few things by your video and I am sure other have gotten something out of this that can be applied to other types and situations.. Great Job ....
Wow! The humility to post this so others can learn. You sir, are a freekin' stud.
Outstanding, professional approach to your situation!
Well done! Aviate, navigate, communicate. Looks like you wrote the book on that.
I've got a couple of thousand hours in C550's, and even though they are a very simple aeroplane, things can happen to keep you very busy at times - You did very well, thanks for sharing the video.
Excellent way to spend 40 minutes of my morning, I'm happy I'm wheels down only going out in the car now. Bloody hell, well done for staying so calm and careful with the pressure of family on board on top. Thanks for posting.
You handled that emergency like a pro.i am very glad you guys made it back down safe.
Wow! Those minutes where you had no AP, icing on the wings and a stuck trim wheel were terrifying just watching from my living room. In that time, I'd be thinking of all of the sudden loss of control accidents on record in the exact circumstances you were in where the plane goes into a steep, spiraling dive...I would have had to change the Pampers after that one. So well done especially with 2 precious lives in your hands.
Beautifully handled
O. M. G!! your plane wasn't the only thing that had ice. was running through your veins.
Amazing!
Excellent video, thank you, and well done. Can’t say I really agree with the smoking(vaping) on board, but did enjoy the sarcasm in your comments on screen. And how awesome were those controllers! Great job everyone. Once again, we’ll done.
Great job Noam, admire how you managed such a stressful situation, I'm sure was not easy. You looked calm but alert, I was more nervous than you watching the video. Thank you for sharing.
Very nice job! Single pilot IMC in known icing conditions is stressful as it is, and with all these added failures I can't even imagine the stress you must've gone through, especially with your wife and child in the back. Great that you declared an emergency, although if you're having known issues and you're single pilot, don't hesitate to declare an emergency as soon as you feel something is wrong. ATC will go out of their way to help you with anything you need the moment you say you're declaring an emergency. Having said that, you handled the situation exceptionally!
Well done! Cool, calm, collected.
Nice job. Being single pilot in these situations make it even tougher. I'll fly with you any day....
The vaping is fine ,, it helps deal with a stressful flight, made more tense with the responsibility of the family on board.
You showed us how to deal with a tough situation. - PS , I’m a commercial pilot, flying since 1977.
Absolute rubbish. You may as well continue smoking. Very little difference.
Really shows how good of a pilot you are, you remained calm throughout and reflected on things you could have done differently. Nice!
Very nice handling of your emergency! Regardless of Dan Gryder's (Probable Cause) present controversy, I appreciate learning good stuff from him, namely, when deciding to go or not, _choose one._ 1.) IMC 2.) Weather 3.) Single pilot 4.) Night. That surely doesn't apply as strongly to a Citation, but it's an excellent guideline for me flying reciprocating aircraft.
Handled like a true G! Great flying. Happy skies and safe landings, God bless!
Awesome skill, but just as an advice for your health and safety, don't smoke anything while flying, specially in high altitude operations, it can lead to a faster hipoxia due to the mist of oil on your lungs, also, the mist make a non-sterile cockpit, the mist itself is a distractor. Excellent video!
Pressurized plane don't think it is an issue people have been smoking on the airlines for years!
@@jeffdo9195 Pilots have been cautioned against smoking for decades, mainly due to degradation of night vision. Pressurized aircraft are usually
maintained at around 8000 feet, plenty for sitting, smoking and drinking but will effect night vision.
@@jeffdo9195 yep, and many of those people are no longer with us because of it.
Smoke em if you got em. I smoked back in the day. Lol those were the days.
My dad said people used to smoke on airplanes all the time in 70s. So I think you are very wrong.
That was stressful! I almost took up smoking just watching it!!
Wow. Like watching a suspenseful movie.
By far, the most intelligent thing you did during this was left your wife clueless in the back. Glad everything worked out.
Great job keeping ahead of the airplane and staying focused. I did cringe a little every time you touched that trim. The temptation is so great. I'm glad the flight came out well. Great family back there. She should be proud of how you handled the situation. And don't worry, I won't say a thing! 🤐👍
Been there. Also went to Hillsboro. Iced up pretty bad outside Eugene.
Brought back some scary times.
#1 takeaway is you continued to aviate, navigate and communicate, all the while trying to troubleshoot the issue. Too many instances where even two pilots forgot to fly the plane in an emergency.
I have been flying for over 40 years. The “souls on board” question makes it real. Good job! Only critique is lack of checklist/QRH reference, but it seems you already beat yourself up over that. ;).
The jammed trimmed tab is not even listed in the emergency procedures checklist. It's in the abnormal procedures checklist. So I suppose that means Cessna didn't consider a jammed trim tab to be an emergency. Old school!
@@FlyWithNoam i put my airplane docs in foreflight. (PDF) .. as a backup. You can place tabs for key pages to make things easy to find. Plus you can do searches for words. Thank you for this great and honest video. Keep on uploading!
On my bucket list is to fly a plane but, after watching this video, I'm not so sure! Kudos to you for remaining so calm. Thank goodness all worked out.
Peter, don’t let this scare you. Just go down to your local airport and get an instructor to give you an introductory flight. You’ll love it !
@@mouser485 I've been told that. I might just do that one of these days! Thanks for the encouragement.
👍☑️👏 bad sequence of problems, good airmanship!
Amazing Job, kept your Cool and brought her in Safe ! :)
You handled this emergency DAMN well!!
@@FlyWithNoam if you say so. But you never stopped flying the airplane under most demanding conditions and made careful considerations.
@@FlyWithNoam whi cares ? You knew the DO list by memory lol!! Is there a checklist for THAT emergency ? It could have distracted you.
@@FlyWithNoam wow! And I was only considering the attitude changes with flap and gear extensions that could have exerted more forces.
Very well done. Edit to add: holy crap, didn't realize your family was on board. You did an outstanding job keeping your cool. Very manly, daddy/husband thing to do. I'm sure that's sexist somehow but I don't care because I'm an old woman😂
Well only one word to say. Good flying you had a lot of pressure procedures etc. Well 3 green and on land. Onward 🌈 with prosperity
Wow. An amazing job, captain!
Remember everything is an afterthought or 2020 experience after the fact. It is always a great deal for you to always weigh and act on extreme slight chance of failure. You can always after the fact learn from it instead of ignoring your instincts/gut reactions. Keep blue above! God bless!
Great job. It was a good idea to not mess with the trim after it was free again. You never know if it could stick again, maybe in a bad position, since you weren't 100% sure it was just iced up.
Well flown in what could have turned into a lot worse outcome, even I was vaping like a train watching this what’s most important you flew the plane and planned it well good on you cheers.
SCARY!!! But you handled like a Maverick. Cheers 🍻
I see that you said this is a common issue with Citations. I think my next move would be to trade that sucker in for something else. Way to stay focused and getting her on the ground.
A 43-year-old jet and your single-pilot, IFR at night and with icing, what could possibly go wrong? You did keep your cool a lot better than I could have.
VAPING ???? Single-pilot, IMC, Family...... ?
You needed a t-shirt from Jimmy’s world!
@@243atlpac Really,, what does vaping having anything to do with this situation? This is a very capable airplane that fly's this type of mission hundreds of times a day throughout the world. "IMC, FAMILY",,,, that's pretty much every flight that a Citation makes. Try not to be so judgmental, it's very obvious that you no nothing about flying.. I don't tell you what to do in your Prius.
@@243atlpac let’s not be judgmental, clearly this pilot is in control of the situation. Let this captain apply his skills and get the aircraft on ground safely. Vaping are you serious?
Good thing you managed to reach your destination safely, despite having made several mistakes that fortunately did not result in tragedy, that shows that as pilots we must always be prepared for any eventuality and even more importantly be proficient in the plane, another mistake that It should be mentioned is that you never got the emergency check list, as a single pilot I know there is a lot of load for a single person and that is why it is imperative to be proficient in the plane as I mentioned before. In any case, I congratulate you for having arrived safely and even more having your family as passengers.
@@FlyWithNoam I don't know how comfortable you feel flying the Citation, but my suggestion for people upgrading from single engine to multiengine or prop to jets, is to always fly with a safety pilot, until they gain the necessary experience to avoid this kind of situations, or at least it's what I suggest to all my students, on the other hand, I don't know exactly what phase of the flight you were in? but if you had not reached the point of no return, my suggestion is to return and solve the situation at the airport where you took off, since continuing you could have found more icing conditions and everything could have had a completely different ending, my advice is practice as much as you can in VMC conditions and if you want to fly in IMC conditions, do it with a safety pilot or with an instructor and as a final advice make it a routine to call out and always have a visual flow of all the instruments, if you had, you would have noticed the light on the autopilot that indicated the failure, anyway I wish you the best and continue to grow in this world as beautiful as aviation and enjoy the experience of owning your own citation to the fullest
Extremely well done! The only change i would have made was to accept to ask for emergency vehicles to be dispatched to the runway. You just never know given your situation if something further might go wrong. They are then there, and ready to assist. It's like fuel. The fuel you left on the ground is no good when you need it in the air. Thanks for the videos. Keep them coming.
I wanted to add something also. At around 4000 ft you turned the trim on again and it still didn't work. You probably shouldn't have done that. Fortunately it didn't change anything but cascading failures can happen. Great job handling the jet single pilot IMC icing at night!
Thanks for sharing. I bet you did a review of your emergency procedures again and updated the quick reference list.
Great video and nice work on the issues , does she know yet??😳🤣🤣
Quite a big workload for visual, night, emergencies, manual, single pilot... Congratulations.
Well, I am not a pilot. Just an occasional right seater. But I am a long time yacht captain and had similar emergency conditions once. Heavy seas, double gale winds, couldn't reef or trim sails, was knocked over twice, took 2 big waves over the stern and damn near sent my wife and I into the sea. Reason? Get there! We survived but only because of a great yacht that saved us. I suppose its a life lesson. Don't go because ya have to. The following day the weather was beautiful. I almost got us killed. This isn't your situation of course, but you handled it the best you could.
wow your pretty cool under these circumstances .. nice work .. enjoyed
I'm a Airforce veteran aircraft systems technician, trained on F-4D fighters and C5 and C141 aircraft. I'll fly with you any day or night. Enough said.
You handled yourself OK! Aviate, Navigate and Communicate!? By doing so you didn't loose track of you aircraft while on radios etc etc Damn bro you were IMC off Auto Pilot hand flying using iPad navigating/weather etc Then gave them heads up. Perfect. I'd agree if you had a fire etc do a Mayday quickly then should have emergencied earlier!! Look at those PC12 crashes lately around autopilot issues and in IMC and fixation on rebooting autopilot and within a minute....trtied pull up and exceeded aircraft load limits and pieces fell off....🙏 Thank you for sharing!
@@FlyWithNoam Exactly. First instinct is feel it. How is it behaving. He did this on a newly acquired jet and type rating from piston too! System issue or mechanical. OK it's flying OK, where to next... MANY just want that computer to fly the plane again and fixate on that, and to me for e.g. its like in the auto world where you have a racing driver can't drive stick!? @citationmax you seen this one bro?
@@FlyWithNoam I wanted to show him this!
Had the same issue on climb out from EBBR at night in a 182 TRG. Had to push with both hands till it snapped loose in the descent to ELLX.
Very stressful and you didn’t show it, nice! Emergency checklist is a MUST. I also would’ve gone visual approach ASAP to get on the ground quick. Good call on asking opposite rwy to burn altitude. It’s important to be critical of oneself after the facts.
This was nerve-racking.
When you switch frequencies, state “emergency aircraft” after your call sign. That’s my piece of advice. Good job with everything, got it on the ground.
Single Pilot Night IFR in complex aircraft can be very stressful, well done, it is good when you have done it, best avoided though, get a Hotel for the night.
congrats. nice job!
great job
Super scary. Well done captain.
Nice job. Leaky boots (pin holes even) will allow h2o in while under vacuum and then freeze the vacuum ejectors or plumbing. I really don’t like flying anything with multiple patches on boots, a sign they are breaking down. Wish I had video of my fun (posted on my channel), I am sure there would have been things I could have learned were I to have a do over (forced landing in a turboprop while IMC)
Great video.
Icing is very sneaky ... 🚁
Well done. I flew a 441 and now a 525 single pilot and it’s not always easy to manage the workload when something abnormal occurs. Good job utilizing your resources (aside from the previously mentioned checklist). I liked activating the final approach course for 13R even though you were VMC, not everybody knows how to manually activate a leg.
I’m sure things could have been worse, but single without AP and trim plus icing is more than enough. Now you know a little bit about stress levels of flying combat at night and getting shot at.
@@FlyWithNoam True.
Good job on dealing with all that and hand-flying (without trim!) at the same time!
It doesn't seem that the Tower was aware that he had declared an emergency... seems odd. I had a situation halfway between Roanoke and Frederick and Potomac approach was awesome!
Giving that vape mod a workout!!!
🤣🤣🤣 Me too. You did the same thing I would do with my wife..."nope, great flight. nothing wrong."
Years ago I was doing some instrument training in a 172 with an instructor over the PAE VOR and our elevator control jammed due to water freezing up somewhere along the control cable. I think our trim tab still worked as it uses a separate cable.
So I looked up the jammed trim tab procedure in the 501 manual and looks like you have to land with flaps up if the flaps were up when the jam happened. Should not engage autopilot also. Glad you're ok.
I have a quick question does the citation have besides the boots heated wings or not how deep into I am see or known icing can you go I was always curious anyway these videos are great thank you for making them it’s spectacular congratulations I’m in A&P trying to get my PPL and commercial so that I can fly around and do ferry flights.
I just recently flew a Skyhawk 172R model from Buenos Aires Argentina all the way to Atlanta USA it was an experience to say the least and one of the best flights of my life.
Best solution is for people to stop buying old, overused, and outdated aircraft because of the low cost of acquisition. Look at how stressful that one MECHANICAL issue was for someone certified as a single pilot.
Well done
Wow, you stayed very calm in an extremely scary situation. That was only your tenth flight? I understand you don't need 25 hours supervised operating experience if you do the type rating in the actual plane, but did your insurance co require any mentoring time? Also curious why the trim actuator grease and the condition of the boots is not checked as part of the scheduled inspections. That's what worries me about these old planes, even though the 501 is an amazingly well-engineered aircraft from a safety perspective. The price is attractive, but maybe I'd be wondering the whole time "what's going to break next"? Proactive maintenance is the key I suppose. Thanks for sharing and stay safe!
Granted there is much flying activity happening in turbine aircraft with single pilot ops, its legal , but the bigger question, is it safe ??? Legal does not always mean Safe. Two pilot crews are more inclined to work through a problem as the training is very heavy on that particular area, Aviate , Navigate, Communicate, always keep yourself away from complacency, it will kill
@@FlyWithNoam That would be a very interesting video -- someone doing a contaminated grease analysis.
@@FlyWithNoam Maintained these airplanes for 15 years straight. Checking the deice boots by inflating them was standard procedure during phase checks. I still have the fitting for hooking up shop air through a regulator(not a shop vac) so that I could inflate and check them for holes. If it isn't being done, you need a new mechanic! Changed more of those boots than I can remember.
As for the grease DC 33, it is supposed to be cleaned out periodically and repacked with new grease. I did that many times on all of the actuators. At the Citation Service Center, we were required to use DC33 that was issued by Cessna under strict quality control to ensure that there was no moisture in it. By the way, you probably know this but you didn't have an autopilot failure, it just wouldn't work because of the stuck trim.
@@FlyWithNoam You can see the holes without inflating them unless they are very small. They should still inflate though. They get a large amount of air very quickly. You could run an engine and have someone look at them while you cycle them. It shouldn't matter how old the airplane is if it is maintained per the manuals.
@@kramsallisac9356 I’ve been flying single pilot most of my life. You can get buried in anything. I have a couple thousand hours in a C560. Pretty easy to fly SP
This kid is a good pilot. He just proved he can handle it.
Good job.
My thoughts, well handled, good instincts, what a great video for training. My question would be why didn’t you turn the auto pilot back on? 🤣
Again nicely done, try to advise ATC when your problems get rectified, like trim and boots. Happy landings.
@@FlyWithNoam 👍🏼
I like the robot sounding female controller
Met my wife to be just after I started Flying Lessons June 1970. After my Privat we went wvwy where, She always kept a finger on the sectional as to where we were. Ounce I got my Instrument at 500 TT she would NAP if she could not see the ground.
@@FlyWithNoam Seems as if she has every confidence in her husband's piloting ability. She is also a praying woman.
Not sure why but it really annoyed me that you had to vape during this emergency. But you are the PIC and it was your show, job well done. Reflecting back on the situation if icing conditions were known (AIRMETs, PIREPs, etc.) coupled with the tendency of this specific air frame and your hours in this aircraft, the prudent action would have been to postpone the flight and not have put you and your family in that situation. Again, that is only armchair after the fact, you were PIC.
At the 8:57 mark you said as PIC that you didnt know about the trim systems connections at the time of this. Ah its best practice to know these things before you start logging hours in any plane, especially the cessna "slow-tation". Best plane under $600k. Reliable workhorse but still susceptable to problems.
Outstanding job. I would let you fly my family anytime. IMO the only thing you could have done better is elected for the instrument approach rather than taking the visual at night.
@@FlyWithNoam Don't get me wrong, you did amazing! I got chills watching you.
Great job pilot. How old is your plane and if possible, what are your scheduled maintenance costs? Thanks in advance.
Only one thing I'm going to ask: Did you get your plane de ice before take off?
Hi. How many hours did you have before transitioning into 501sp? Great job handling issue. How can trim icing be prevented? Any special covers or something to block water entry?
What was the master caution for right after touching down? Also, I couldn't see the annunciator panel. Did they change it from what they originally had? If I remember right there was a light for "deice on" but it may have been by the switch. It's been 24 years since I worked on those.
@Noam Ben-Hamou I watched another one and realized it is higher up than where I was looking. It's been 24 years since I last worked on or flew in one. 12 yrs with CBP and 5 yrs various locations before that.
Is vaporizing a good thing? As of how you are handling this inflight Emergency is well done
So when did you tell her? 😀
I can't lie, you handled the situation very well. But, the ONLY Citation that should be flown single pilot is the CJ(1). Anything more than that and the workload is increased significantly and dangerously so in an emergency situation. The 500 series of Citations are demanding aircraft even in normal conditions (especially ones with outdated avionics) and while the single pilot waiver is still obtainable, its foolish to fly SP even on 91 legs.
be very very very glad im not with youo. id be screaming we are all gonna fucking die! but i do that when i fly my shrike lol no wonder no one wants to go with me.and i have a fake parachute and lil red and white sticker on my panel that reads.. parachute for pilot only. seems to make people really nervous
Looks like that was the,"flight from hell" correct?
Did not realize they could fly a jet of this caliber with just one pilot . Thought I they had to have a copilot also.
@@FlyWithNoam interesting thanks
I just saw the part about you having 400 hours total time when you started flying this citation. Please tell us more about those hours, where did you receive your training from, just stuff like that. Was getting ins a problem? Baseball player Thurman Munson had 428 hours when he died flying his new Cessna 501 jet back in 1979. I believe it was the first crash of that type of Cessna Jet. You seem to be a very competent levelheaded guy, but I just don't trust a jet that old with a single low time pilot. I understand you can buy a whole lot of aircraft for the price those old jets are selling for but I'm just not sure. I will say I don't have anything but a private single engine rating and haven't been flying for over 30 years so I'm in no position to judge others. Just saying what's in my heart. Good luck and again, job well done. I'm subscribing and giving you a thumbs up.
@@FlyWithNoam Thanks. Stay safe, I enjoy your videos.
You are the best pilot ❤
Well, she knows!
So are you vaping while flying? Or is this a simulator?
@@FlyWithNoam no judgment. Just it affects your cabin pressure regulator unit. Just keep it clean. TZ, old Lear mechanic.
one of 2 things...poor maintenance and or, an Airworthiness Directive needs to be issued for the sticky trim issue...just sayin'
Cleaning and repacking all of the trim actuators on those airplanes is part of routine maintenance during a particular phase check. It is REQUIRED!
did you have an outside air temp gauge?
you would think an AP trim issue would at least pop a master caution
@@FlyWithNoam that seems like a pretty big oversight lol
nerve racking shit
but you did ok; just chalk it up to a lessons learned tho
lost a motor at about 200’ on takeoff in a little RG Cessna decades ago; it was only a little Cessna but the facts were I couldn’t maintain altitude when the power was going out; only choice after all else failed was power and prop all the way back dump full flaps and hope i could stick a landing still w/o blasting thru the end of the runway onto a hwy and then trees just past that
was a little nerve-racking, but it was just about as textbook an ending as one could do; doesn’t mean the adrenaline was not causing my heart to hit about 165 sustained afterwards mind you……
check hydraulics, set stab/trim pumps to high/on