RV 10 N783V My 1st Emergency HD 720p
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- čas přidán 25. 03. 2021
- I am publicly sharing this embarrassing video of an inflight emergency that was totally due to pilot error! I hope it will help someone else learn from my mistakes.
I've decided to turn on the "comments" section so that others in the pilot community can learn from each others insights and comments. PLEASE be gentle on me! In the comfort of my home today, it's very clear how many bad decisions were made. I promise you, in the moment, it simply wasn't that clear. I made some stupid decisions that began to build as time went on. It's as simple as that.
UPDATED...... Here are some answers to additional questions raised by others...
1) Q. Why didn't I just file IFR to begin with? A. The weather on this leg of the trip looked "fine". 7,000' AGL ceilings in Farmington NM and 6,500' ceilings in Page AZ. Weather at both ends, and my last 2 hours of flight, showed that I had plenty of ceiling for a safe VFR flight. Since I was flying over Monument Valley and all its beauty, I wanted the ability to go lower and circle if I wanted. But, here's where the problem arose, there are no weather stations between those two points of my flight. This is a very remote part of the US. There is 168 NM distance between those two points with no reported weather. I had no way of knowing in advance that the clouds just after Monument Valley would erode to just below 1,000' AGL. It simply happened, but without weather reports in that area, I was not able to "plan" for it. Not saying filing IFR every time isn't a good practice. Just sharing insights on why I didn't on this particular trip.
2) Q. Why didn't you use your auto-pilot more? A. GREAT question!! I should have! But, what doesn't show well in the video (due to stabilization technology of the camera) is the turbulence I encountered. Just before entering IMC, my AP had begun to porpoise (oscillate up and down). That has happened before on rare occasions, and when it does, I simply disengage the AP, steady the plane, then reset AP. I did use the AP for much of the video, but when airspeed went to zero and stall warning kicked in, I THOUGHT I had lost my AP. I have learned since then that the AP was still working!!! When the AOA stall warning alarm went off I felt a sudden and strong pitch up of the plane. This was the anti-stall feature of the autopilot kicking off, not the AP shutting down. Garmin AP servos will pitch the plane downward if they sense and impending stall. That's what it did when I was losing airspeed. When the IAS gets below 30 KIAS, it kicks off. So, what I felt was not the AP kicking off, but the impending stall limiter kicking off (that's why it pitched up). When I took the control stick in my hand, I hit the disengage button because I didn't think it mattered at that point. The AP was off in my mind already. That's why I was "hand flying" during the worst part of this emergency.
3) Q. For an IFR rated pilot, why was this such a big deal? A. Two things to understand. One, you are seeing my piloting skills during the 15 minutes of me at my very worst. What you don't see are the 1,100 hours of safe, competent flying under my belt. 191 of those hours in IMC conditions with no previous safety concerns. This video illustrates what can happen to someone when they encounter IMC they don't plan for! It was like someone slipped me the "stupid pill" and sucked very ounce competency out of my brain! That's point of posting this. Don't let it happen to you!
Second thing to understand, I'm sure professional pilots (military and commercial) would not have panicked or had their brains shut down like mine. They are pros, with many more hours of experience and with the ability to practice such emergencies in multi-million dollar simulators! I don't have access to that level of training, or the ability to fly as much. I'm not a "pro", I'm an average amature that simply enjoys flying. I will never be as good as the pros. Just like I'll never shoot a 66 on the golf course (even though the pros can), I will never be as good or practiced as a "pro" pilot. This video is for the amature, "average" pilot to learn a valuable lesson from, TURN AROUND!!!
You’ll never know how many pilots you helped by sharing this experience.
Been there done that, then I got my instrument rating..👍👍🍹
So far about 45k
Truth!
Thank you for the courage to share this with us.
Al least one.
13:25 - "I'm sorry for all the trouble". "783-Victor, that's our job". Never ever forget that, and never ever be too proud or ashamed to call for help. Beats the heck out of the alternative every time.
The simple matter of fact in his voice. water is wet. The ground is dirt. Thats our job.
Awesome ATC response. So simple; but still sometimes so hard to hear out there. No ego; no fear. Gratitude of the pilot and our recognition towards the ATC work.
Good comment Tony
What a great video. I couldn't imagine hearing that alarm sound with zero visibility! UGH
What an absolute savage yet beautiful response from ATC. Thats our job... my guy is a straight G
My favorite part of this is ATC: "Thats our job"... these guys and gals are awesome. Don't think they realize how much comfort they bring in these situations.
I am a 40 thousand hours pilot . Flown on most of everything from Jcubs to B747-8 and I salute you for your airmanship and your candid exposure to the public. You see, many pilots would feel very ashamed for exposing their mistakes but you did not and by doing so , you are contributing greatly to aviation safety and your video will probably save several lives in the future.
Once again, thank you , you made me and others a better pilot.
I am not a pilot, but common sense tells me that you posting this video was probably one of the greatest services to aviation you will perform in your lifetime. Well done.
Absolutely.
DID YOU ALSO NEED CARB HEAT? I THINK I WOULD HAVE IT IN ALSO, MAYBE FUEL INJECTION SAVED YOU THERE.
He flies air ambulance now
Very well said.
Pucker factor must have been off the chart
As a professional pilot I just want to say that this makes you an outstanding aviator. Posting this “embarrassing” mishap to let the others learn about the mistakes we all make everyday means a lot. Fly safe!!
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You cant be pro if you cant accept or show others your mistakes
@@vipersbadass we dont care about you.
@@vipersbadass I never subscribe to people who aks for this under other peoples videos. That's kind of a rude thing and i don't like that :D
@@x-planeliveriesandstuffsho1074
It's not your business.
As a current FOQA analyst, I think admitting an error and learning from it is the most important figure for a pilot. Keep learning and keep flying!
I get about 1 foqa call per year... A lot of people I know hide from those calls but I have no idea why.
1. Aviate, navigate, and communicate in that order.
2. I have over 11,000hrs as a major airline pilot, more than 2/3 as captain, but on my full IFR twin Cessna I only fly Day/VFR.
3. Never say you’re nervous, this guy was scared s#itless, but sounded and acted cool. Congratulations, you won the biggest award in aviation (the coveted ‘Continue to Breathe’ prize).
'that is the sound I make' when I got to Pee, really bad Pee, bad!
As a non-pilot who still as a strong interest in aviation, your item #2 is quite telling to me. An 11,000 hr airline captain flies a full IFR twin Cessna ONLY IN DAY/VFR. That statement seems chock full of wisdom. Night VFR never has made any sense to me. It seems to be a contradiction on a par with "Army intelligence." Why does the FAA even allow it.? How does your soft field landing training help you in an engine out emergency? The very words "night VFR" seems to compromise safety by about half for a non-IFR rated, single engine, private pilot. Am I wrong?
@@larryk1865 Flying a single engine piston is by far much safer than flying a twin engine piston. The problem with the latter is thrust assimetry, it sucks big time, let alone under lower speed/altitude. Sometimes there's nothing you can do other than shutting down the good engine and find somewhere safe to land, in most cases where the pilot performs this, he makes it out alive. It's a bold move but sometimes your only hope in a twin with a single engine failure. Nervousness to reach the airport no matter what (when you've got plenty of survivable options) is also a pretty bad thing in this case, I knew a King Air who blew away his only hope of survival by making a very sharp turn on a final. Basically, he was too flustered, entered a spin and boom. Could have landed in a nearby field and would probably be alive. Also, when it comes to night VFR I kinda agree with my colleague here, most of the times is a big no no for me, unless i'm in a familiar area and the terrain is mostly flat.
@@quackgarage9551 Very interesting. Thanks!
Excellent advice.
Ex airline pilot captain here. The humility you showed is not a bad thing. It’s showing you’re still willing to learn and not complacent. As long as you’re willing to learn from your mistakes, it’s ok. You stayed calm and flew the plane. Good job getting in there safe.
Ex airline pilot here... pitch, power, bank... and planes flies. Clear sky from Italy. 🙂
@Channel name yep... I made ATPL directly... I really hope that in VFR training there are some flight lessons dedicated to blind manouvers as there are for IFR training.
@@mdani76 yes they are not so much, but they are and there is a Part in praxis examinations ( in germany) with blankglasses to simulate flying in clouds.
Always happy landing
Greatings from munich.
@@kurikat search for a society of aviation. Sometimes they offer flightlessons as exchange for voluntary work.
As mowing grass or cleaning the propperty.
@Channel name lol you can stay calm while beeing streesed ... like persons train to deal with deadly situation ... . WORDSSS
YOU NEED TO STAY CALM in thoses situations if not,
you ability to tink fast and efficiently is lowered
its a difficult thing to do for not trained people or them that panic easely
sorry my english
Airline pilot here. I give you kudos for making this video to help other pilots. We used to do this in the military, telling our colleagues how we screwed something up so they could share in the learning. At first it felt like hazing, but I quickly realized it's not. It's how a group of people doing something dangerous learns most effectively. One day, a pilot will remember this video and turn around. And they'll have you to thank for showing them what can happen if you push it.
Wait, you don't do this at your current airline? We even did this in my flight school! Shocked it isn't more common.
It does feel like hazing at first until you realize these people are looking out for you and want you to learn from there mistakes so you don't end up getting killed
Great point
This needs to become a genre of "youtube" media in general aviation. Professional pilots encouraging this sort of thing is important. We need a channel called "Climb and Confess" where people learn to do this stuff according to after action report standards.
Exactly this. It can be hard to know whether something you say or show online has helped someone because it just goes off into the aether. As an example, in this last year, a random CZcams comment potentially saved my life by setting out the signs of a medical stroke, and I remembered that comment and got medical treatment. If I hadn't seen that comment I would likely have thought it was nothing and been in serious trouble.
It is *always* valuable to share knowledge, especially when it relates to life and death situations, because you never know how many people will have an increased chance of survival, or even better, how many people will entirely avoid a mistake.
"Standing on the shoulders of giants" applies just as much to learning from others' mistakes as it does to building upon their knowledge yourself.
as a private pilot, I felt everything you felt. My heart was in my throat the entire time! Being in IMC and losing an instrument would make me wanna cry. Great job!
Not only that...his wings was almost frozen in a minutes since that alarm went off...if it was not for ATC he would have lost it in such clouds below zero temps...
Currently training for private pilot license. Very scary stuff! Hope to avoid ever being in this position. Most pilots have retired but my age, but I have a few good years left to keep passing my Medical. First lesson I was given (East coast territory) when planning cross country to always keep a landing area site like a road, or stay high enough to glide to a safe area (road). Also, live by the checklist! I hope to be a private pilot one day, then train for IFR.
Human nature always seems to be self defeating.
Thank you for sharing the word of caution!
Amazing. That's being a great pilot in my book. Admit mistakes, acknowledge, register and share, so others can learn! Kudos to you.
great pilot, were you watching what I was watching?
"I'm sorry for all the trouble."
"783V that's our job..."
As an ATC, that gave me goosebumps. Good luck, and godspeed to all my fellow aviators. Happy flying.
I felt this.
respect to you 🤟👍👍
Came here to post this - best ATC guy ever.
An ATC watching this kind of content on CZcams... Outstanding.
DITTO!
To be honest though, I don't think you should be embarrassed. You made an error, remained calm, flew your plane and in the end you prevailed.
Embarrassed by his simple mistake, but then flew it like a pro. Overall not embarrassing at all. Great learning opportunity.
I don't fly but I'm an aviation nerd and I can't imagine how terrifying it must be to be disoriented and feel like you're behind the airplane. It takes courage and humility to admit something like this to the world, and I commend you for helping others see just how quickly things can go badly. Glad you're safe.
Thanks for posting! It takes balls to go public with silly mistakes but you’ve helped thousands of people like myself who are learning. We’re all human, best we can do is live and learn!
I REALLY WISH MORE PILOTS would post experiences like this. It’s not fun to think everyone else is perfect and remembers everything and never has any problems.
Civil aviation is safe almost entirely due to the enforcement of investigations into all major incidents and any actions taken to prevent future incidents. It should be mandatory for light aircraft also.
@@MikeyCompton ¹¹½¹¹¹1¹¹²1¹zero
I have learned so much for the handful of these videos I have stumbled across....SO MUCH!
I agree
Narcissism and ego are the downfall of humans.
ATC controller was amazing in every way including the extras he did trying to help the pilot and reduce workload (e.g. providing the weather). Really appreciate those folk. Lifesavers.
indeed...real professional and smooth....that voice of reason and concise guidance makes all the difference for anyone who has been involved in a series of events that complicate flying.
Absolutely! I hope that if I'm ever in that situation, I find a calming and helpful voice on the other end of the radio.
Yes! And also, he seemed to direct other stations over to different frequencies, so there would be less clutter. Good job by the ATC.
Yep and telling airspeed....pilot is always best to advise how many on board fuel remaining etc when first making contact ....proper planning in advance eliminates most stress....ain't no thing if all is trimmed just let the airplane fly then go thru the checklists.... people used to fly without pitot without electronic maps and all the pretty goodies.....I have a 22 year old Garmin I always have in my bag..... it is just a backup but batteries always checked and I can ...and have flown using just it for my flight instruments.... everything is there that's needed.... but yeah I even carry a hand held compass in my bag that can be used if the aircraft compass failed (however unlikely) but it's also there in case it's needed to hike out... you know that boy scout motto
Even more so as you know they must be sweating it inside from the history of IMC accidents. Great ATC.
I am a pilot currently going for my IFR rating. I (and I’m sure along with everyone else) appreciate you sharing your mistakes made in this video. It’s a real eye opener especially to me on what to do and what not to do in this kind of situation and how stressful things can become in the blink of an eye. Everyone (indulging myself at times) think, it won’t happen to me (or I can handle that situation better) but this goes to show that’s not the case and how important being persistent with training/studying is. Again, I thank you for sharing your mistakes and explaining everything that happened.
OMG how beautiful this is! I'm a student pilot and almost everything described in the books regarding VFR into IMC happend here. Thank you so much for the video. Also the unintended banking was impressive as you are always told this happens if you don't watch the instruments closely because your body tells u a false story. And the best thing is when the stall horn goes off and this shows how a chain of errors develops and from one second to another your mind gets crushed - man, this could have ended bad for a beginner or untrained pilot! Great job flying, and thank god everything worked out that well. This was the best lesson you can get on that topic. Thanks for sharing, every student pilot should see this!
If this keeps even one pilot alive, then the benefit was greater than the cost of a bruised ego. Thanks for swallowing your pride, and sharing with the community.
Getting behind the airplane in those conditions is not a good feeling. Great video, takes a lot of humility to post our mistakes.
It also takes an "hero" somehow. These particular kind of episodes (props to the video edition) sticks in memory and adds to operational safety for everyone.
a 180 woulda saved you alot of danger.
@@edmoore3910 ... Yeppers!
@@billybob042665 it’s these sorts of comments that make people not want to share their experiences. In reality, we make aviation a much safer profession if we are able to share our experiences, good and bad, without others putting us down.
It’s fine to criticise, but do so in a way that adds value so that others may learn even more from this mans experience.
Who knows, this video might just be the thing that saves someone’s life one day.
Thank you for sharing Sir.
Cudos to you! Being a Dutch aeronautical engineer, I've been educated with the KLM disaster in Tenerife back in the day. Amongst a lot of other issues, cockpit hierarchy and fear of losing face played a role.
Humans always make mistakes, hence the complex systems that came to your aid that day. this makes us human, humans can learn but only wise people can step over their ego and fear and teach others from their own mistakes. This video may save a life of a human.
You're one step ahead, and thank you for sharing.
Greased it in at the end! Thank you so much for this. The IR on my ticket is still drying, this is amazing experience to share with us newer pilots. Glad it all worked out and you were safe.
As a vfr pilot about to start Ifr training this has to be one of the best cautionary videos I have seen. Thanks
"783 Victor, that's our job"
Best line of the whole video.
The fact that you are IFR rated was a great relief to ATC...and the rest of us! Thanks for posting!
You good man blancolirio. Bless you
You notice the banking over 3:52
and if he was not?
@@iansolorzano5311 if not instrument rated it is very likely the video would have been from someone else’s crash investigation. Especially when the airspeed indicator froze.
@@iansolorzano5311 Average time to loss of control by someone not IFR rated in accidental IMC is less than 3 minutes.
Thank you for posting this video, I enjoyed learning. I got my license at age 19, owned an experimental biplane for years, quit flying but still enjoy watching.
My heart rate raised a lot watching it. This is food for nightmares ! Thank you for sharing this experience with everyone.
My first flight instructor was an old timer -- B24s during the war, TWA captain after that. He had a quote for this: You are going to make mistakes, all pilots do, it is how you recover from those mistakes that determines whether you live or die. You made a mistake, you recovered and will live to fly another day -- excellent flying and I thank you for sharing!
Although I never did finish my lessons, due to life. I had an older instructor and he taught me that a pilot certificate was a license to make mistakes and live. The lessons were to teach you how to try to make the first part not happen but when it did to help with the second part.
My private, inst, com and multi checkrides were with an old check airman that they called "Grandpa Chuck" back when my dad had his checks with him 20 years previous. He was pushing 90 years for my commercial ride. He told me that same exact quote every time I flew with him. Stuck with me.
He was also notorious for extremely intense and very long (often 2+ to 3 hour) check rides just for your private. Mine lasted 45 minutes for my private and he said "take me back" without another word or explanation. I was 17 years old and scared I screwed up and failed. Got back, tied down the plane and he grabbed my log book and said "well I don't think your gonna kill anyone" and signed it off.
I learned as much from him in those few hours a few years apart as I did from anyone. Including that "you will make mistakes"....
787 Captain here and APD (meaning I give 787 type ratings) and 40 years of flying experience. You are to be saluted for your humility and willingness to share lessons learned. We all make mistakes and should be thankful that we are around to share them to help others in the community! !
@ Huh?
@ wtf?
@ Oh look, we've got ourselves a witty one. -sigh-
Thanks for sharing. This is what makes CZcams so great. Even my blood pressure went up and I sighed with relief right along with your brother!
stumbled upon this again while I'm in the middle of my IFR training. Thank you for posting this.
You need to find that Denver Controller and buy that man the BEST steak dinner in the whole state of Colorado.
definitely....even a nicely written letter at a minimum, cc to the FAA!
reminder to self: never forget the value of a hand crafted letter that you can hold in your hand.
The pilots lounge is pretty good at Centennial Airport ! Glad you reported this,I'm sure your humbleness has helped countless who have watched this, I live and fly on the front range of Colorado and, it's to say at the least,keeps you really on point. Extremely fast changing weather and over 50 14k plus mountains. And you mentioned the crazy wind gusts we get! Thank you for putting this out!
Buckhorn Exchange time.
As a 36-yr pilot and former Navy & FAA controller, I certainly respect your honesty. You clearly demonstrated several good lessons for all of us.
former avoinics tech, the difference between a good pilot and a ok one in my book is honesty.
He absolutely did!💯💯
Bullshit. This SOB deliberately went IFR in order to make a video. I doubt anyone believes this bullshit.
As someone learning this video is a great teaching lesson.
As a student pilot, I thoroughly enjoyed the video and appreciate you sharing so others can learn. I am also in Southeast Texas and got caught in IMC on my second cross-country with my Instructor. Your video reminded me EXACTLY of our little to no visibility flight. I also found at times I was flying sideways as you were. Great video. Great learning tool and I am so glad you landed safe!
Hi Randy, many thanks for sharing this. I’ve only been in the game 34 years, 32 professionally, so of course I’m still making these basic errors.
The ATC folks are down there ‘coz you’re up here - it isn’t the other way ‘round and the guy helping knew that, which was great to hear. Don’t be shy in asking for help. I’ll tell you about my go around from O’Hare recently some other time. The controller asked for the reason - I said it was “nothing you did” 😁
Me when seeing the fog thicken: "Oh no, he's about to have getthereitis"
5 seconds later Randy says: "This is where I got a case of getthereitis"
I thought it about 2 seconds before he said it. I'm not a pilot but certainly can understand the feeling. It affects decision making in many aspects life.
Thought the exact same thing.
Ever since the birth of aviation, honest reporting of what exactly happened saved hundreds and thousands of lives. Bravo sir. -fellow pilot
What a great video! Current center controller who enjoys learning what other pilots are frequently up against. As mentioned, what relief when you said you're IFR qualified! Grateful this one had a happy ending!
by no means should anyone feel bad from learning from there experiences. You showed what information overload looks like during potential failures and how to learn from them. Prolly best video on YT iv watched this year so far.
A good person learns from mistakes, a real good person shares with others. Always the teacher. Thank you for great clip
I'd add "wise" to "good".
Sensory overload is a real thing. I'm sure we've all suffered it at one point. No visual outside cues, getting bumped around by rough air, trying to listen to ATC, hearing your stall warning, losing airspeed indication entirely... and trying to troubleshoot the problem at the same time. No amount of time under the hood can prepare you for this level of stress. Thank you for sharing this pretty scary experience. I know I learned from it :)
100% true. I was in the soup and something as simple as the marker beacon was making me lose focus
I could feel the overload goin' on. I know I often get there (but that's one of many reasons I don't fly).
Truth
The message in first 13 seconds was enough to hold my attention and push me to learn with a wise man that recognizes his own mistakes.
Greetings from Brasil!
Thank you
Chapeau for the bravery of sharing! Very instructional vivid experience. Thank you, from a recent IFR 300+h pilot!
Im a controller and you had me over here with my nerve on HIGH. Im so glad tou posted this, it really helps others, even me to do my job better.
yeah the constant knowledge that his airspeed on radar is fine added highly to his confidence
if there was noone telling him his radar airspeed he could have panicked...
"give us the color of the airplane to aid search and rescue" Blood runs cold.
I think it’s just a precautionary thing they do with every flight plan. I got the same questions even when I file a VFR flight plan from the ground.
"It's neon yellow. The salesman didn't have any more confidence in my abilities than you do."
My jaw actually dropped when I heard that.
I know nothing about this, but shouldn't they already have that information (colour) linked to that plane's ID? Or is it just to double check?
@@kd5nrh LOL This color scheme is screaming from miles away "I AM DOWN HERE .... STUCK IN TREEEEES!!!"
I had experienced something similar a couple of years ago and I could feel your pain watching your video. No shame about sharing this with us. On the contrary. Many thanks for doing so. Fly safe !!!
Thank you for posting this great video. As others have said, you’ve done a great service to all of us pilots. Well done. You are an outstanding pilot.
Only needed to get to the point where you said "I thought about turning back and staying the night but decided to press on". I've been there done that. Caution to other pilots if the thought that you should turn back *ever* crosses your mind, then do it. That thought doesn't come from nowhere. It is your subconscious processing a bunch of data that your active conscious mind can't process because you are focused on the mission. Listen to your subconscious, it is your trusty copilot, and turn back.
I had that thought often in my life and I can’t remember not succeed in that kind of situations. But I had to admit too that I never had it in an airplane! So if I will ever feel that while flying I will ask the pilot to turn around... I promise 😁
One example that comes to mind is that helicopter pilot flying a bride to her marriage through dense fog. The poor woman and the other passengers were rightly terrified but he decided to press on despite the conditions because he didn't want to be late. They plummeted, crashed and died.
I've been on the edge in deteriorating conditions, thinking "If this gets worse, get on instruments and do a timed 180" which was marginal. I had visibility to the ground at 2000 agl with a 2500' ceiling. I've learned that weather can move in very quick. I agree if you think "Should I turn back?" the answer is YES.
Same goes for everything in life :) i live by this every day
When in doubt turn about.
Reminds me of the Good old saying you'd rather be on the ground wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing you were on the ground :)
Wow, I'm sure truer words were never spoken. Lol
I don't fly but my heart was pumping listening to you. Wow, glad you figured it out and landed safely. God Bless.
The sigh of relief at the end. I feel ya brother. Thank you for posting this, it truly is a great learning experience!
As a VFR pilot, I got myself into IMC and I can really relate to the terror you must have been feeling. I was only in whiteout conditions for about a minute, but it was the longest minute of my life.
Thanks for sharing.
What's imc stand for?
@@GnarDawgeh Instrument Meteorological Conditions. IOW Any condition where you can't see the ground. So you have to rely on special instruments to keep from losing your spatial orientation and crashing. Called IFR flight (Instrument Flight Rules).
The opposite is VMC Visual Meteorological Conditions which means you can see the ground. Not all planes are equipped with instruments for IFR flight. They are called VFR aircraft. HTH
@@FlyingAroundOz what instruments do you need for IFR beyond altimeter and level?
The best maneuver in an accident is the triple backwards, reverse split-flap wingover done showing ample breastages.
Source of electrical power (like a generator or alternator), attitude, turn rate, ball inclinometer and directional gyro/heading to see what position the aircraft is in and where it's going, clock for planning (fuel e.t.c.), radios for com and nav. And the altimeter that you already mentioned.
What ATC said: How many souls onboard?
What he heard: Where would you like us to send your remains?
No souls on board, just a Ginger.
@@unicorntulkas :D :D
@@unicorntulkas Eric RULES！！！
@@unicorntulkas 🤣🤣
its a normal protocol
I’m a retired banner towing pilot and have inadvertently flown into IMC at night while ferrying a PA-25 with nothing but airspeed, altitude and a compass. Those two minutes it took to turn around 180° felt like hours. I could literally feel your fear as you handled this situation, and you did a great job! Glad you made it safely, and enjoy that RV. They’re hella fun to fly!
Thanks for being honest and sharing this, great lessons for all who watch this. I have to say how tense I was all through this and I also felt the relief with your sigh!
In diving, it used to be that the moment you think “should I drop my weight” is the moment you drop your weight. I imagine that in aviation the moment you think “should I turn back” is likely the moment you’re turning a 180.
Could be quite dangerous though to drop your weight in diving, depending on depth and prior dive time.. First reaction should be to stop, think and then solve the problem! Dropping your weight is the ultimate last resort!
As a tech diver myself, I can certainly attest to this. i’ve definitely gotten in some sticky situations while diving in the kelp forests of Southern California.
@@JAv-ti8uq Haha i dived in the kelp forests once and we even saw a seal :) really nice experience diving under those "under water trees".
We had a diveguide this day, she said: If you get stuck in the kelp, dont´s turn, as it would be like a fork in a bowl of spaghetti. Kelp can´t be really ripped, but it breaks easily though.
@@Spacefish007 that is 100% correct. The first thing you learn is to not spin around or flail. Stay in one spot and remove them one strand at a time. Im fortunate enough to live 10 minutes away from my local dive spot and the kelp forests are my playground. I absolutely love it. It is definitely the best stress reliever, I have found.
@@JAv-ti8uq Yeah, the saying (at least where I'm from) is - "If there's any doubt, there's no doubt" - i.e. as soon as you start feeling like you should turn back, just do it and live to dissect your decision later over a cold beer on the ground.
Thank you, as a student pilot, you may have saved my life just by having watched this video.
Protip: Get a glass/water level & glue it to dash (or somewhere visible. U know those water globe levels). Ive seen so many pilots get disorientated & be skeptical of electronic levels (not sure what equipment term is). A physical water level is always true! It like cave divers who dont know whats up or down ( the thing is just pause and see which direction your bubbles go)
@@fredfinks Except that the water will react to G forces. A plane in a coordinated turn should keep the water perfectly level.
@@SlantAlphaAdventures True, but he said "bubbles", would them react the same as just water? im curious now ..
@@SlantAlphaAdventures Agree. Advising someone to use a glass of water to fly straight and level is dangerously incorrect and could get someone killed. A glass of water will not reliably tell you if you are flying straight and level. As you said, if you are in a coordinated turn the water in the glass will be level. In fact we have an instrument in the airplane that works like a glass of water but its purpose is not to tell us which way is up; its job is to tell us if we are flying coordinated.
@@fredfinks Not a good idea. Students may disregard.
Thanks for sharing your experience! I am pilot as well and I didn't realize what had happened to you until you explained. Thanks God you are now safe. Bye!
Wow thanks for sharing this! I’m not a pilot (yet) but have a lot of interest in aviation. These are the most helpful type of videos as far as I’ve seen because they can show mistakes and how to work through them. They also can save many others from getting into the same type of trouble! Glad ur safe and God bless the ATC’s!
Guys who are humble enough to share their mistakes will never be humiliated.
I love that.
I always appreciated when a pilot just said, "I need help." If I asked a pilot if they needed assistance, I was already getting things in place for a potential emergency, and everyone in the tower knew there was an issue. Off mic, I'd be telling my CIC/Supe there was something going on. It was the times when the pilot said nothing and ended up in a bad way that made the job stressful.
Thanks for posting. I’m just getting back into flying after being away from it for 14 years. This video was very helpful for me. Makes things real.
Dude. Took courage to post that but what a fantastic learning experience to share for flight safety. We’ve all made mistakes and we can all make better decisions if we assess the potential risks and desired outcomes. Glad you’re safe and thank you for having the courage to share!
One thing to remember: When you turn around and things do not become critical because of this, it will always feel like "It wasn't so bad but I just wanted to be extra safe. I likely might have made it." - this is called the "prevention paradox". Learning about the psychology around the prevention paradox will make your decisions stronger in the future.
When hiking, my buddy and I tackle this when we turn back due to weather by joking “That mountain ain’t going anywhere. We’ll try again another day”
Really good to remember destinations don’t move.
I heard a pilot once say that it’s better to be on the ground wishing you were flying then flying and wishing you were on the ground.
Wow. Amazing point. Thx so much!
This is literally incorrect by definition and is in no way a description of the prevention paradox. Like not even close.
The inventor of the term defines it as "a measure that brings large benefits to the community offers little to each participating individual."
This is pure outcome bias and nothing more. Outcome bias is "the tendency to judge a decision by its eventual outcome instead of the quality of the decision at the time it was made."
Smh mfs on CZcams trying to sound smart and spreading misinformation instead. Delete this stupid post.
@@Swift016 Lol. The guy shared something valuable and made the small mistake of labeling it improperly? Stone him! Off with his head! He has no place in our civilized society! It's because of people like him that we have poverty, diseases and war!
Seriously though, take a chill pill, don't worry about it. It's not like anyone reading will look it up or remember the name anyway.
As a student I cannot describe my gratitude well enough. Good pilots are always learning and as a community it’s great to share our lessons with each other!!
I’m glad you made it on the ground safely! Thanks for sharing your experience. It’s terrifying how we can so easily tell ourselves we can push through when everything tells us we absolutely should not. It can be easy to get caught up in the moment, but I always like to remind myself to take a step back, don’t rush into situations, and try to think about my current choices as if I was a third party spectator. If I would tell someone else not to do it, why should I let myself do it. Always remember, it’s better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than it is to be in the air wishing you were on the ground!
As someone who isn't IFR rated and has never been IMC, this is a great video to watch. Thank you for posting.
This is exactly why people get debriefed after accidents. We learn so much from other people's experiece. It's not always heroic.
I’m not a pilot, but videos like this really make me appreciate the nerves and lessons pilots learn. Glad you make it safe, sir!
will forward to all my pilot friends
Bravo! Your decision to share this experience is absolutely the best thing you could ever have done & will potentially save lives. No need for any embarrassment.
Thank you for sharing a frightful experience with us. Yes, it is difficult to admit, but it is very healthy to do so and can be a learning experience for all of us novice pilot's. Well done and awesome recovery!
I was doing instrument approaches in IMC with ceilings 800 overcast - Cessna 172 RG. We had just departed runway 33 in Charleston, touch & go. At about 1000 feet the engine started missing, lost power, and backfired when I tried to add power. I was under instruction in the left seat. My instructor, cool as a cucumber, got clearance back to the FBO, said, we’re flying straight and level head for home. We flew back to DYB about 10 minute flight, with the engine missing and popping. As we got close the clouds parted and we made a visual into DYB. After parking, I had to dig the seat cushion out of my tail. Next day we found out that the intake manifold broke a bolt and was sucking unmetered air. Any flight that doesn’t kill you makes you a better pilot. Great video!
What’s FOB?
@@kenclark9888 I meant FBO fixed base operator
@Andreas that’s what I wanted to do, but he was my teacher. I think that he was more concerned about returning the airplane otherwise the owner would have to pay the FBO in Charleston to do the repair. By getting the aircraft “home” he was able to use his own facility and mechanic. He assessed the risk (without knowing what the problem was) and made a decision to fly it home. He later admitted that he was considering the river for a force landing (there’s the cooper river nearby). He took a chance and it paid off. I was a novice studying instrument rating. I would have landed in Charleston.
@Andreas oh, I forgot to mention, it was a night flight in actual IMC
Thanks for sharing. I’ve contemplated getting my private license for 25 years. These are the things that scare the crap out of me. I want to do it but man, these types of things get to me. Glad you’re safe.
Student pilot here. Thank you for having the guts to post this. It is so informative. Props to ATC.
I'm glad you got thru safely. I also wanted to compliment your video. It is so well made. You set a great example for other pilots should they get into a difficult situation while in the cockpit. Good job!
Great video. The professionals at ATC are definitely our friends, especially when you say I need help. It is far, far better to have to sit down and do some paperwork after you land than to have a potentially tragic outcome. And respect to you for realizing and admitting to the mistakes you made. We all get better when we can learn from others.
Thanks for the share. This video is going to drive home some lessons that can very well save someone else.
I agree! I hope to start flight school soon, and lessons like this really help give me what I like to call "artificial experience."
Like what? Turn around ASAP when you see clouds like that? Seems obvious to me, a non-pilot
My wife’s company always had “lesson learned” meetings after any accident or system failure. During the process, they never referred by name to who was involved, just the facts of the situation. Figured placing blame was counterproductive.
Far cheaper to learn from other’s situations.
A solution based approach always wins over a blame based approach.
@@daszieher I second this so much. Some work places and people just end up pointing their fingers at each other until they are relieved that no one is pointing at them. It feels like that has became more important than solving the problem at hand. We all make mistakes and shouldn't be afraid of coming clean and admitting an honest mistake.
@@freezEware "coming clean" and "admitting mistakes" are terms that should ideally be deleted from language. It frames the person responsible for such action as someone who should be blamed, and makes it more difficult for team members to warn the team about impending negative effects for the team.
In our company, we evaluate actions and reaction. Most importantly, we try to learn what was expected at the time of the decision and why the expected result did not set in, or if it did, how the negative side effect was overlooked. Immediately, "mistakes" become an opportunity to learn.
We have learned a lot in the past years, especially to attempt experiments in compartmentalised settings, so that if they go south, they don't burn truckloads of cash with them.
Amen to that. Pointing fingers and seeking backward accountability rarely helps, if ever.
a wise approach
This is one of my favorite IIMC videos. A ton was learned here. Thank you for sharing sir..
I suspect that by evaluating your mistakes so thoroughly and honestly that you have the characteristics of a truly great pilot. Nice job.
5:33 Turn on closed captioning
"remember, every second feels like a minute, every minute feels like an hour."
[Applause]
Sorry about all the trouble!
“783 victor that’s our job!”
Made me smile
Excellent and informative video posted by an honest and competent pilot - not saying you didn’t make mistakes, saying when flustered, you still managed to fly well enough to live. Others haven’t made it out if similar situations so well done. And thanks!
Thank you for posting this. It is an incredible learning experience for all. Denver center was awesome and you did a great job too.
The domino’s were really starting to line up and fall against your prevailing. When the pitot iced and you went into that bank I felt what you were feeling...terror. BUT, you continued to troubleshoot. You continued to aviate. You continued to stay in the game and use your external resources. You didn’t go silent out of shame. You immediately contacted Denver and stated your situation. You made a spectacular centerline cross wind landing. We all sighed relief with you my friend. Well done. I love your panel. How about that Grand Canyon? :)
Well said, exactly what I felt while seeing this! Great lesson too!!
I'm sitting at my desk, eating a hot dinner, and my blood pressure is going up, my hands getting sweaty. I could only imagine the feeling being in the cockpit. Very well done, thanks for posting.
Snap! Sweat pouring out of my hands.
Try a salad or cold dinner, and see your dr as you may have a heart condition
@@neillp3827 well he’d have a head condition if pitot ice in IMC didn’t scare him 😁
@@lauran3244 he was talking about his dinner causing him problems, he would soil his undergarments if he had pitot tube icing in imc. Dude is a train wreck that would cause a plane wreck
Great recovery man, and excellent landing! Thank you for posting this.
Thank you very much for being secure and confident enough to share. This video is a valuable lesson to all of us who dare to fly and an illustration of how quickly things can happen. Respect!
I am not an aviator. This video was randomly recommended to me by the CZcams algorithm. I enjoy flight simulators and know enough to follow along with this video. Thank you for sharing!
Check out the ASI videos from AOPA, you would also like them. They are recreations (using MSFS) with actually ATC audio and NTSB reports. Just type 'asi aopa' into youtube search. Be safe out there.
Same here!
Same. It must be terrifying flying in a cloud.
@@sittinonthegodamcornerdoindope It is actually really, really cool if you are ready for it. When you are not prepared, or when something goes wrong with the plane while in the clouds, then things get scary.
These videos that pilots call "embarrassments", are actually "gifts" for other pilots. I've been flying for 30 years and probably haven't made my last mistake TODAY ! lol! Seriously, thank you for sharing this experience. I'm betting everyone benefited from this, I know I did. Safe skies my friend !
I'm not a pilot either, but this posting reflects your good character. Sharing your mistakes to save others lives is admirable. Kodus!
Thank you so much for sharing. I was feeling stressed just watching this. So glad you arrived safely and thank you so much for sharing something that could happen to anyone.
I'm not a pilot, but enjoyed every minute of the video. Your ability to keep your cool and maintain your plane in the air first is admirable. And having the humility to share the experience of your errors will only benefit the pilot community - if not save a life or two.
Thank you so much for posting this video. There is so much to learn from your situation. Your recovery and willingness to share with the aviation community is to be admired.
That was brilliant! Errors happen, but you did all the right things to recover the situation. Brilliant ATC, brilliant flying.
I LOVE the ATC guys! They are so professional and so competent and will do anything in their power to get every aircraft on the ground safely.
Thanks for sharing! This is what aviation is all about. We learn from each other’s mistakes. It’s certainly not embarrassing. You maintained your composure like a boss. Well done, sir!
This is great. I shared this with my Air Support Unit. Great example of several things; how it happens, the "I can do it" mentality, falling on the sword getting help, the reverting to training....all of it. Thanks for sharing this and well done sir.
Thank you for sharing. My BP went up just listening to it. God bless ATC; the unsung heroes of general aviation.
Just found this video. Top man. I have just got my permit and my heart was in my mouth just watching this. Thanks for sharing.