Alert for ARMY: BTS fans fooled into ordering creepy HYBE funeral
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- čas přidán 1. 08. 2024
- Why did these creepy funeral-themed protests in the name of BTS against HYBE seem really off? Three very coordinated campaigns in the name of the BTS and New Jeans fandoms were unleashed against HYBE right after Ador CEO Min Hee-jin's diarrhea press conference. Who were these mysterious organizers that the mainstream media believed without question to represent the entirety of Korean BTS Army and New Jeans bunnies?
Was their message to 'protect BTS and New Jeans from HYBE' actually genuine or just psychological manipulation? Why does the result seem to have little impact on the artists' well-being and rather have the effect of intensifying hate against Bang Si-hyuk and inciting allegations against HYBE instead of Min Hee-jin? ARMY please let me know if any rando person can claim to speak on behalf of the entire fandom.
0:00 Intro
1:00 An organized media hit campaign
2:25 What’s a creepy ‘funeral wreath’ protest?
5:30 Why something seemed off
6:30 How to organize a deceptive K-drama style protest: pretend to be BTS Army
8:35 Investigating the organizer of the wreath protest
9:14 Let’s start the timeline
10:25 Day #1: Brand new twitter account plans and funds a protest in hours
13:30 Who’s the official fan club spokesperson?
17:00 Day #2: Where are the receipts for the ‘500 donors’?
18:30 Day #3: Full Page ad contracts already confirmed?
20:00 Day #4: Orders BTS Army to only let them speak to media
22:15 Day #5: Did anyone really show up except for the media?
24:15 The fake New Jeans bunnies?
25:45 What do you believe?
26:20 Why would the mainstream media not question the organizer?
27:05 Conclusion
These are the twitter accounts of the protest organizers: @blessyouhybe, @NewJeansSTRM
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I am older Army and I would never act in such poor taste. This is an act of haters not true Army!
Exactly 💯 that's what u was saying. They like to do this and say army.
no, it is the other way around
You are brainwashed by Hybe, Hybe threw BTS under the bus to used them to shield themselves so you defend them.
Agree
Exactly!
No one person or social media account speaks for an entire fan base. Especially not ARMY. We are not a monolith. Using a tradition connected to death and funerals is really low. I don’t believe the tannies would like this or think this is ok.
방탄소년단은 하이브가 아닙니다. 하이브는 방탄소년단을 이용하여 이 사건의 쟁점을 덮고 있습니다.
이 사건은 방탄소년단과 연관이 되지 않았습니다. 오로지 하이브와 어도어라는 모회사와 자회사에서 생긴 갈등이고 그것 모두 방시혁의 경영능력으로 생긴 일입니다. 여기에 bts는 아무런 행동을 하지않았고 군대에서 국방의 의무를 하고 있었을 뿐입니다. 왜 하이브라는 회사의 일에 아무런 아무런 행동도 하지 않은 멤버들의 얘기가 기사로 나와야할까요? 방탄소년단을 먼저 기사에 언급해 이 사태에 집어넣은 건 하이브 입니다 열심히 국방에 의무를 하고 있던 멤버들은 무슨 잘못인가요? 왜 하이브의 경영 리스크 때문에 bts의 브랜드 이미지가 손상 되어야하는지 모르겠습니다 그 때문에 한국 아미가 bts를 하이브의 방패막이로 삼지 말고 루머 대처 해라라고 시위한 것 입니다. 이 채널 주인은 이 사건의 전말을 잘 모릅니다 그저 아미의 조회수를 먹기 위할 뿐이죠 민희진의 기자회견이 영어자막으로 나왔기 때문에 그것을 보시기 바랍니다
Delusional 🤡
@@DdD-re3ln Thank you!
I’m real BTS ARMY and this not very ARMY at all. BTS members and therefore ARMY who try to be as kind and insightful as all the members are wouldn’t think to do this.
Ikr . It’s a brainwashing tactic
ARMY is busy showing support to BTS by streaming NOT TODAY😊 ..not these low blow actions of sending wreathes. ARMY trusts and believes BTS.
I am ARMY, I know ARMY will never tell BTS to leave Bang PD and HYBE because they built HYBE with their blood, sweat, and tears. If anyone needs to leave, it should be the other ppl, not BTS.
As an older ARMY, I witness the bond btw BTS and BangPD, BTS will not be happy seeing ARMY attacking BangPD.
Yes, many ARMY don't agree how HYBE works sometimes, but ARMY will never try to destroy what BTS built.
When they said BTS leave HYBE, it was already sus to me, and the funeral wreaths idea didn't sit right to me.
And yes, you are right. Everything happened too fast, as if everything was already planned ahead.
Not one person gets to represent ARMY ever
This woman creeps me out! This was no ARMY "action" and there is not just 1 person who talks for the whole fandom..we are pretty capable to talk for ourself😂
These are just toxic people who would love their downfall..but that's not gonna happen😜
ARMY for life (46 years🇳🇱)
Today is exactly my 7th year anniversary as an ARMY. And being in the fandom since 2017, I learned that the fandom in general ALWAYS has BTS's safety and welfare in mind. We ALWAYS support them and their music no matter what issues come up. WE DON'T BOYCOTT THEIR MUSIC AND ANYTHING THEY'VE WORKED HARD FOR. We trust them and their decisions. Whether you like HYBE/BANG PD or hate them, the boys trusted him enough to stay with him and sign another contract so we support that. We don't do anything that could somehow drag the boys to hell. They're full grown and intelligent men who are capable of thinking for themselves and decide what's best for them even without us telling them and their company what to do. And also, no army would want them to leave Hybe. The boys have shares in that company and practically built it through their talent. For me, all this wreath event does is give MHJ the satisfaction of diverting the attention and negative publicity from her issues to hurt HYBE by dragging their biggest and main artists. I don't know if these so-called armys sending the trucks and wreaths are really trying to help Bangtan or they're part of MHJ"s plan to destroy Hybe at the expense of bts. HYBE is literally the company behind BTS and they're being attacked by MHJ and you, as fans of their biggest artist, decide to attack them too at this crucial time?
In my opinion, we should not let the boys get dragged into the chaos by not doing things that will feed the controversy-hungry, unprofessional media especially in Korea. For years, whenever bts get attacked with accusations and controversies, ARMY as a whole, fight and deal with it in silence so the issues won't get blown up. We avoid catching more attention so the boys won't get dragged. Those "fans" are doing exactly the opposite.
I also think that Hybe's silence about their next step is a crucial part of the court case. No matter how much the fans demand for explanations, if they deemed it beneficial to their case to keep mum about it, then we can't take it against them.
I understand that a lot of International armys right now are mad that "k-armys" because of this, I urge my fellow armys not to generalize and judge our k-armys. There are a lot of them on X condemning that action too. So it may be proving our suspicion that those who sent the wreaths are either mantis/solos or MHJ trolls.
I am an ARMY long time ago Doing this kind of bad propaganda.This is not ARMY'S way.ARMIES are intelligent people.They are not low people.BTS is BIGHIT now HYBE.
As a global ARMY (USA) I was a little pissed at K-ARMY for the funeral wreaths.Even though they made sense on one hand, on the other, they were a BTS/HYBE death threat! The last paragraph of your post clears things up and makes me feel better.Thank you.
Thank you well said @gloss39 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
@@sugamygdala But I are they really from K-ARMY that's what we have to ask ourselves? I don't believe they did it I think it's a move by anti's and possible also by miss min.
We onow they are not Army.😅
Just imagine Min Hee Jin was trusted by Bang PD to manage HyBe building and even put her company Ador at the highest floor while she put Big Hit at the lower floor of the very building that BTS built? That should have been a trigger warning because my hackles rose back then. Now here we are! Hmmmpp!
@JaeMin-Jun Except that the New Jeans girls are also on that floor above BTS.
Such disrespect!
@JaeMin-Jun fact is Min Hee Jin put her company Ador on the 17th floor of the building. That’s the highest floor of the 19th story bldg. 18th is the training room and 19th is where the cafeteria is. Big hit was put in the lower floor but the source didn’t specify what floor it is.
@JaeMin-Jun Is that a very South Korean thing to do have CEO's on the top floor of a business premises? My husband company has the CEO on the ground floor with the sales department. The IT department (as an IT company it's the biggest department) is on the top 2 floors with finance and Human Resources and being on the second floor. That's also the floor with the 'Quiet de stress Room' often referred to as the 'Pray Room or Escape Room'
Most huge companies in the UK tend to work what each department needs in order to function effectivitly and the CEO will slot his office into the floor that has the most room leftover after every other department has the room they require to operate effectively in and are located as close as possible to the departments they'll require most contact with. Well thank how the huge company I worked for part time while at university. It seems to work very well that way in the UK. We tend to be pragmatic rather than than positional.
Yes. Those are not authentic Armys.
Solos and mantis do that. As soon as you see this know ..ITS NOT ARMY.
It's obviously not Army, YOU NEVER KNOW exactly who could be behind stuff. China could be mad still over the tiff over Kimchi. They like having power over other economies
Yes, people are forgetting about solos. Most of them have an end goal of their fave leaving BTS, BTS disbanding and they hate HYBE (who introduced them to their fave). Make it make sense. 😊
I can't believe this is ARMY, nothing is purple.
That is a very good point!!! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
OH~ that's true! No way there would be no purple! Good catch! 👏
Eagle-eyed ARMY on it, as always!! ;)
The majority of Army’s around the globe are intelligent people and are not falling for all this bs. We would never send funeral wreaths to the company our boys built from the ground up. We will never stop streaming their music, (don’t even ask us to stop) we will never boycott them, we will never question their decisions. They are seven intelligent men who know what they’re doing. We trust BTS, they trust the company no more needs to be said. Borahae 💜X7
Yes yes yes!! 💜💜💜
It seems that this suspicious person wants that trust to be severed badly before the boys get out of the military. Army cannot allow themselves to be baited like that!! Use logic not emotions that can easily be manipulated! Fighting. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
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Amen to this!
It's actually manager antis who bought the funeral flowers. We, the international fans do not condone what those mantis did. A lot of 'ARMY' cosplayers are rampant in the fandom. We have been fighting them for years. Tgey even try to encourage ARMY not to stream BTS...as if we will believe them. Because of too many cosplayers in the fandom...we get suspicious of accounts who's objective is not on BTS best interest. ARMY only trust BTS. If BTS trust Hybe, we will trust BTS because the company and the boys go aloooong way.
It doesn't mean that an account having a bts pfp and a 7 in the account means they are BTS fans. We investigate suspicious accounts...the history, the date the account was made.
Too many cosplayers wanting to destroy hybe in order to see bts career destroyed.
Mantis did this stunt back when Busan was preparing for the BTS performance. If it was a baby ARMY who encountered these mantis...they'd probably be duped like sheeps..but, we've been fighting since BTS conception.
Thank you for such a wonderful explanation of the actions of others. Blessings forward.
Thank you for clearing this up!
Borahae!
💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 Army's love,
👑👑👑👑👑👑👑 for our 7 kings.
Those are no fans of BTS and Hybe. This is so sick! This is only happening in SK, it would never happen here in Germany. I am not into Girlgroups I let them be. I would never would put them down or say nasty things! Please Army stay strong for BTS and Bang Pdnim.
Da bin ich ganz bei Dir! 👍💜
Ick ooch! 💜
Stop your typical Nazi like superiority complex with condescending generalziing comments like, "it would never happen here in great Germany, only in Korea." Yeah and the Holocaust has never happened in Korea, "Only in Germany." Wow some of you are so ignorant.
Stop with this nonsense about how Gemeany is better then South Korea. The Holocaust would never happen in S Korea "only in Germany."
Sean, my son practices Law, International law. The first thing he said was the weaths seem to be generated by community activist Min to disparaging,disruption of Hybe . I personally though Nah... It seems you are verifying his thought process.If reciepts are found of Mins wrong doing , she needs to be charged under full extent of the law. Does Korea have a divison to check stock manipulation by Min or her associates?
Thanks for sharing your son's legal insights. I agree MHJ is definitely behind all of this and deserves to be in jail
You know, that artificial intelligence may be behind the photograph and not real, ought to be considered. These antics are truly laughable and should not be given any attention! 😊
My thoughts as well. Shaking confidence in Hybe and anticipating or creating events affecting stock values dipping seems the end goal. Min is at the centre currently but are there more players we don't see?
I already said that if BTS believes in HYBE I believe in too because I stand with BTS
Real Army lets trend Bang PD,lets tell him we love and we trust him, also we trust in the court process
When the press conference wako Min Jin gave within seconds I question her fake A.. As REAL ARMY I knew she was coming for BTS. She's trying so hard to hurt BTS and ARMY will never leave BTS or HYBE. She's only hurting New Jeans now. ARMY will boycott her and ADOR.
I agree. Haters gonna hate. What a drama queen.
Truthfully! Army should boycott New Jeans and Ador, I'm tired of Min Hee Jin and her B.S
Another note: consider this one truth, ARMY trust BTS. BTS loves Bang PD. Therefore, ARMY loves BigHit/Hybe. Second truth. If the news is not from BTS, or BigHit, ARMY doesn’t believe it.
Sounds trumpy to me. (He hates bts)
Do they? Do all of them? Do any of them? You assume. They have contracts and he is their boss. This Hybe “family” agenda is a promotional branding tool. It’s a company and despite what anyone wants to believe BTS, NewJeans ect are products for the company. Bang is working for the ultimate good of the company, not BTS. I won’t take a side other than BTS. If they chose to re-sign I accept their choices and support them in it.
. BTS said to trust them, they are with HYBE they have shares in HYBE, they resigned with HYBE, not once but twice, if you can't get the memo from that then the issue is you, not BTS and not HYBE. It is your own prejudices or preceived slights, and frankly you need to suck that up. Or maybe you are an anti that is out there as part of the smear campaign that HYBE has employed extra legal Teams to protect BTS and themselves from.
Honest truth, I don't trust Hybe, but don't send those wreaths
Well said, absolutely agree.
ARMY can't believe that crap. Real ARMY would never go against HYBE/ BIGHITS. It was BIGHITS that gave us BTS. So if you are real ARMY don't fall for that BS.
Exactly 😭 I hope people understand this
@@bumbee-li6hb I lived in Korea for 14yrs and she only trying to get support. Some Korean act on first hand news without Question. So wonder why HYBE is not coming out? They are waiting to blow her out of the water and I can't wait.
@@KIMBTS5813I'm waiting for that day tooo
My only concern and desire for future MHJ and Hybe news - MHJ turns her Hybe owned property, LAPTOP - to the police!!!!
How can she not comply with police requests for this laptop to complete their criminal compliant/investigation brought by Hybe against her? She's hiding something and the wreaths are just smoke and mirrors!!!!!
@@nataliacoggins6769 exactly, it has been weeks, what if she already removed evidences. I am afraid if Hybe can prove her wrong.
NO those wreaths and ONE twitter/X account ARE NOT representative of BTS ARMYs …
Yes, so annoying when they say all Army
BTS is still under BigHit. Remember when true army raised a million dollars for BLM in support of BTS. This is not ARMY. HYBE is what BTS built we would never disrespect them like this.
This👏 those impostor armys really showed themselves out...
I believe true and loyal ARMY will not do anything that will blemish the reputation of BTS for HYBE Is synonymous to BTS. If not for BTS there will never be HYBE.
BLM is a terrorist Marxist organization. They used the funds to buy themselves houses. They did NOT help black people.
I'm glad for the positive comments, Hybe need this to know Real BTS army is not like this
this witch scambag CEO trying to sabotage BTS comeback!! JIN is about to finish his military in next month. she is acting fast
Can not wait to see her get charged & sued for intentional sabotage of HYBE & BTS. What an evil person. Absolutely no true ARMY would have done this!
I kept saying on TikTok that this was a setup! It’s like K-Army forgot who created and funded HYBE to begin with.🤦🏽♀️
There is no reason to talk or blame or shame K- Army!!!!!! They have nothing to do with this! They did not do this! You must not have watched the video in entirety. Or you would not be saying that comment. K Army is still the best! They did not do this. It's posers acting like K-Army and they aren't!!
Legit no normal president army fan would send that -
ARMY has no President except Kim Namjoon. We always speak only for ourselves and never as a collective because we are so large and diverse.
One thing creepy about Min Hee Jin is that she always give herself the full credits to the success of New jeans. So anyone who listen to her could create a notion that without her new jeans couldn’t succeed or if hybe kick her out the future of new jeans would be affected. If seems like she is not giving credits to the new jeans members..
On the other hand bang pd had given credits to bts members for the success of bangtan. In his interviews it is clear that he plays only a part in their success .
Yeah, has she ever credited girls and other people who worked with girls?
she even claims everyone copies her😂 delulu
There is no spokesperson on behalf of ARMY. Never was. The only people that get to speak up about BTS ARMY is BTS. But hell no, BTS ARMY has never had a spokesperson. Each person is asked to carry themselves well and to ensure BTS is supported to the fullest and we pride ourselves with the way we carry ourselves to ensure BTS is proud. We support whatever BTS decides to do, whom BTS love, whom BTS put their trust in - which in this case if it is Bang PD, then Bang PD it is. But this crap relating to death and funeral relating to Hybe, hell NO. This is not the work of BTS ARMY. I am an ARMY from 2015 and I can tell you I will never ever condone this nonsense. My priority will always be BTS and what they see fit and am sure, this protest is not the work of BTS ARMY as a collective unit. This cheap and disrespectful stunt - I and other proper BTS ARMY will NEVER agree to.
Anybody can claim to be ARMY, have an account with a BTS connected name and pretend that they are working on behalf of ARMY. BTS no not promote bad behaviour, attacking people or running the company that they helped create down, they would never attack PD Bang publicly, all their dealings are private, so true ARMY would follow their lead and protect what and who is theirs. It doesn’t take an ounce of intelligence to work out that it is the same people that are trying to purchase HYBE, take over HYBE, reduce the price of HYBE’s stock price, to damage the company’s reputation and worth. Anyone with any intelligence can work out that all this is happening in connection with that megalomaniac woman’s innovation. So no, ARMY did not send funeral wreaths, that’s disgusting and disgraceful behaviour, thought up by a deranged mind. That person needs to be locked up. BTS RULES 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
We are not stupid we are really Army
CAN YOU SAY THAT LOUDER??? Well said.
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Exactly! How do we know thesee self claimed Armys who protesting to HYBE right now are genuine Armys? Anyone can say they are BTS fans. I think those are from Min HJ's hired people. It's like hitmen in the USA, they can hire those bad actors to carry on her smear campaign in S. Korea easily.
hi As an Australian Army an older one, I am concerned about this. For BTS and Bang Pd. I doubt for one minute BTS would re-negotiate a contract if HYBE/Bighit were the monsters that Min Hee jin is saying. Those gentlemen would not sell themselves like that. I was introduced to K-pop because of BTS. I would like to know step by step, by email, etc how to give HYBE our support
Yes, to @cocopoco7140 - genuine Army, what can we all collectively do to publicly show our support for HYBE/ BIGHIT/BTS that would (1) condemn the dastardly act of sending the wreaths & creating the negative messages on the wreaths; (2) convince the Korean general public & media that the act is not consistent with Army behaviour; (3) that genuine Army, both Korean and international, are going to do what we can to rally behind our boys and their company?
We should all make as much noise as possible through various media channels to drive our point.
Your thoughts and actions would be valuable at this stage.
I am an older Canadian BTS fan and my response is streaming BTS continually on Spotify and iTunes, purchasing digital albums, watching CZcams Run BTS, Bombs, MVs, and any and all BigHit and Hybe BTS content for the members and watch videos like this one and other content providers and leave messages that support BTS. It may not be much but it is the only way I can be a visible fan. For those who say the numbers are not real - it's the only way I can say- "Yes they are - here I am".
@@bparry2406 i have been doing this anyway. ah BTS are so funny
We were never told how long their recent contract renewal was for, they need to have an understanding and agreement regarding upcoming tour and album. Does it extend much longer than that I've never seen any press about that. There are certain things bts would have to engage over, eg negotiations about using the trademark "BTS" for future endeavors
@@sc33h3o3You must not be ARMY. ARMY know that this is the second contract renewal that each member has resigned with Big Hit. We know every time the subject of staying in BTS came up since 2018, that each member has individually stated their desire and intention of continuing to stay in BTS. We also trust them and know they are smart enough to know what they are doing.
I'm 65 and I absolutely knew that K Army did NOT send those creepy wreaths!
Same
I am an Army 💜 I am 61 years ( finish however) At 60 , fully conscious, alert and oriented, went to my tattoo guy and put The Kings on my arm ! So, from the point of view of the person with life baggage…. You cannot have everything perfect ! Do you always agree with your mother ? Don’t you hate your farther for punishing you? And I am not talking about siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles 😅 HYBE and BTS is one family ! You can’t have one without the other! 😊 you can’t disregard it, accept it, embrace it , leave with it ! Until the moment when boys will decide to leave HYBE . I wish the mastermind behind it and all his minions will get the deserved punishment and I would insist on extended jail time ! There too many thoughts in my head brewing but this is #1
BTS is HYBE. They signed their contract for another 10 years with a HYBE. If KArmy do not support this then Korean do not deserve BTS who are currently serving their country patriotically. BTS are responsible for the successful Korean culture international wave.
But are those wreaths really from K-ARMY somehow I don't think so.
I don’t think it is k-diamonds. They wouldn’t do that. I think it is someone or someone’s cosplaying as ARMY… the relationship between International ARMY & K-diamond is very special compared to other fandoms bc of how much we talk and connect with each other (most international fans with k fans usually don’t get along but ARMY is different)…I don’t think it them…
I was also thinking of how much pressure the boys are now under ! They are serving the country, not being able to have even press conference, separated from each other… it’s a very low move to serve the blow now … unless that was the original idea
Absolutely no they are not from K army. Watch the video and you will get your answer.
@@eileencritchley4630yeah, I don’t believe that either
This is so ridiculous! BTS built BigHit and HYBE. Why would ARMY wish HYBE dead?! RM's pre-release track drops tomorrow and the album on the 24th. After that it's just three more weeks until Jin's discharge date. I only believe official statements from BigHit on Weverse and am going to continue to stream BTS's music.
Edit: (sp)
There are malicious ppl in SK who are trying to gaslight ARMY on both sides. This stunt is NOT how to show support for the co that BTS is PROUD OF.
Not all K-Army's are like those creepy People, they not real Army's
at all I don't care if they got BTS few albums for proof but far we know they could Upload photos from real Army's website on Twitter or on Facebook or Instagram to copy them by Uploaded their Army's photos to past it off as them as Army's because photos can be Upload on websites you know, we need video prooft, we needs BTS concerts tickets of evidence videoes of their
self in Person live not some photos, showing posters of your room with CDs and videos and all T-shirts of BTS Merchs photos don't means nothing they need to
show their faces.
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To keep it simple: Follow the money.
Someone is working hard to separate karmy and iarmy so that it would be easier to fool the whole Fandom into dissing hybe and calling for a separation of bts and big hit. Who would that benefit if that separation were to actually work? 🤔👀🧐💀🎭🤡
NO we would not do this😂 58y Army from Iceland… Love is BTS
75 and Tucson, Arizona, USA.
As that old song said, we've got to love one another, love is the answer.
BTS=💜
Bb army pls dun fool urself we are old ARMY fight those think from BTS debut until now its do tiring but we cant be tired we must always strong 😅😅
Do they forget that BTS ARE HYBE... why should they leave the company they created and are invested in.
As an ARMY since 2016 I will support BTS and wait for their input... they are astute enough to know the facts and what is best for them.... they don't need us agitating things further.
Personally I think this seems like a smear campaign... and we know who is good at coming up with campaigns.. hmm 🤔 funny how all this happens when BTS can't respond.
I support BTS and they support and love BangPd... that's it.
No noname so called ARMY account speaks for me.... sending funeral wreaths is such bad karma... and this whole fiasco is suss as hell....
I will keep saying this is not just MHJ, there is someone powerful backing her in the shadows (either to ruin hybe or take over hybe as a whole). Fans need to watch and wait silently without making a bigger mess. The issue is way beyond what most of us thinks it is.
I hope hybe pulls through this trying time and learns their lesson i.e (Guard up Bro)
I agree, not just MHJ.
She was from SM entertainment. That alone should tell u all u need to know. SM pretty much owns the pockets of the media and politicians
I said this before, all k entertainment companies are against hybe, since bt5 fandom is huge they use us to achieve their goals
Well said, I'm not sure I would restrict it to just Korean interests though.
@@bparry2406I think there have been some connections to Chinese company that is involved in this mess.
Anybody can get an army /bts subscription card just to make trouble to smear bts ,people wake up , not everyone who says they are army are !! Protect ,RESPECT BTS FOREVER 💜
I've been ARMY since 2014. CZcams recommended them to me because I was a Joji fan & I guess they were like, "you like this small time dude from an asian country, check out these dudes. I was mesmerized, in general RM caught my attention, I suppose because he has a very western way about him so I related to him. I have all generations of the ARMY bomb. I remember when BTS's color was black and not purple and their logo was an army vest. Let me say this. I trust the boys and believe they are grown and filled with very intelligent men. I let them make their decisions and I follow their guidance and have faith in them and I know, they wouldn't be there if it was problematic. To add to this, I am a Hitman Bang fan. I think Bang Sihyuk is innovative, brave, a trend setter and risk taker and generally really dose care about the guys and they ACTUALLY ARE LIKE HIS CHILDREN. Bighit, ARMY, BTS & Bang blossomed as one because we have a symbiotic relationship. I'm in my early 30s. I would NEVER protest HYBE like this. If I had a concern I would SPAM the shit out of BigHit email and keep it behind closed doors. This woman wants to be PD Bang so bad and is fighting dirty. She probably paid those protesters. She will lose. Also- I'm not selling my measly shares in HYBE because I know whose going to come out on top and it's not 🍪 Lady.😅
I agree. I have a savings fund for the next BTS concert. I'm in Australia. I discovered them during the beginning of COVID-19. Bored on my laptop. I never looked back. They are funny, real, and honest, and couldn't believe how great they were then and are now. I have a strong heart for them.
I'm international Army also.This is no Army. No one who loves BTS and their message would do this thing I thought right away that it was funded by MHJ and was part of her agenda.
Couldn’t agree more!!! Also, love your name.
True Army would never do that
As I watch and listen to this attack on HYBE/BTS I am transported back to my high school ROTC class where I learned about military tactics in how to defeat opposing Armies. The 2 that fits what is happening now are Pincer Movement and Divide and Conquer.
Pincer Movement - when various forces simultaneously attack an opponent from all sides.
Divide and Conquer - winning by getting one’s opponent to fight amongst themselves.
MHJ is just 1 cog in a wheel amongst many that are working together to run over HYBE/BTS. If we just focus on what has been revealed MHJ is not credible. No matter what you think of HYBE they treated this woman more than fairly. If anything they gave her too much which I believe inflated her ego. I can only hope once the dust settles and this is behind us BPD will have learned a valuable lesson.
To answer your questions this smear campaign is not being done by Korean Army or any BTS Army. There have always been forces against BTS/HYBE from the beginning. We as fans have to show our support for BTS/HYBE because without HYBE there would be no BTS and without BTS there would be no HYBE. I also believe HYBE doesn’t need the missing laptop, they have all the evidence they need to go to trial. They are just doing everything by the book so their case against MHJ is air tight. Let’s continue to support BTS/HYBE the way they continue to support us.
There is someone behind this wreath demonstration to make everything in chaos, or this is a scam. BTS ARMY is broad minded, intelligent and professionals.
ARMY be careful for those who are posing that they are legitimate ARMY.
Lets remembrr, New Jeans does not use weverse to communicate with their fandom....so Adore CEO planned to run away from Hybe since the very beggining.
Why did they even permit that?🤦
Just got to know about that recently.
Phoning is an extension of weverse, it was literally developed by weverse
Had this very though
She can take them with her when she leaves, those girls seem to be so spoiled and they think they are all that 🙄 girlies, you are just another kpop group that got lucky because the biggest company in South Korea promoted you everywhere, you did not build this company, in fact all the business people is waiting for BTS to come back to have their investments returned because right now HYBE is at the lowest, so girlies you are nothing compared to BTS, IDK where they got this attitude but MHJ should take those ungrateful girls with her. And I better see no Army supporting their comeback, because that money will go to the witch's pocket and their ungrateful parents.
I don’t Believe Army would do such a low Attack
2015 ARMY here!! No one can speak for us! Those people are antis, cosplayer, mantis & solos.That scheming witch planned all these. She’s a master manipulator. We trust BTS, we will only listen to them. Thank you for supporting our boys. 💜
If they are true armys who loves bts, then sending all these funeral wreaths to their workplace…isn’t it kind of like very, very disrespectful and the opposite of what I would call supporting Bts!! This is very suspicious 🤨
If it does not come from BTS, Bang Pd, or Big Hit; I don’t believe it. I would never stand behind something like this.
BTS created Hybe. Without BTS there is no Hybe. That is what she wants.
She wants the HYBE to seem unsteady on the inside, when she was the one starting the rumors about other groups etc.
Big Hit (later HYBE) built BTS and BTS built HYBE. I see them as partners. One does the back work and the other does the main work the up front work that we see.
she wants to be the new BANG PD and she wants NJ to be the BTS! no hate on NJ i feel so sorry for them being use as shield , she pretending she care for them all she cares about is $$$$
@@graceco4252I feel bad for them too but this is the reality:
Ador only profited $80M in 2023 due to NJ;
NJ has had a successful debut; they need a hell of a lot more music and presence. They need a few years in the industry and a sizeable discography with many hits before they can even START to be compared to BTS; and
MHJ didn’t reinvent the wheel, NJ is the product of 1990s girl group aesthetics, dance moves and fashion, as well as of Idol gg Gen. 1, 2 and even 3 (ie Twice); they were MHJ’s inspiration (and blueprint she copied (ironically).😏
So, she’s no Bang PD and NJ is no BTS…not by ANY stretch of the imagination!
There is only One BTS period. Create their own narrative as a group. Pave their own path....
ALL THIS IS DOING IS PROVING ARMY AND HYBE AS WHO WE ALL ARE. HONEST AND UPSTANDING AND BTS IS WHO BUILT BIGHIT WITH BANG.....AND CREATED HYBE TOGETHER. THIS IS SUCH A BLATANT AND OBVIOUS ATTACK, I will forever be stunned by the AUDACITY!
i do not in the slightest believe those were real ARMYs. We aren't stupid.
Shady... remember she is an expert in branding and marketing... elaborate plan...
From the very beginning, I was suspicious of those Flowers sent by ARMY. Because if they know the whole story and relationship between ARMY, Big hit and BTS, ARMY will not do this. Only those who want to exploit that relationship will do that.
No one can speak for ARMY Antis are crazy
This was not done by real Army. Real Army doesn’t do something to make BTS look bad.
My whole suspicion on that women because it’s only profits her..
I knew it and said it, that that is not army cus no army will say they wish BTS leave Hype when every Army know BTS built hype so hype is theirs. So how can u tell BTS to leave their own company? Does it even mk sense. I knew it was someone pretending to be Army.
Those are antys whose pretend to be ARMY and they use this funeral protest cos they think this time is the best time to put down all BTS effort but ARMY WILL NEVER LET THEM BE we just trust BTS and BANG PD please dun fool urself if u are rrally ARMY WE just keep fighting together with BTS and their HOUSE
Armies... Keep fighting fr BTS
this funeral theme protest are part of the story telling of a certain crazy lady and from psycho people who are so jealous of BTS and HYBE's achievement and recognition from the whole wide world! take note NO K artist had done that yet only only BTS. that crazy lady wants same recognition as BANG PD (actually she is so jealous of the money coming in to HYBE) she wants the achievement of NJ to be sole credited to her. in all of this scandal is all about $$$$$$$$$$
Being an army I wouldn’t send such things BTS trust hybe we trust BTS so we will automatically trust hybe too
Just because the wreaths sender(s) said they were ARMY does not make it so. Notice there has been no follow-up, and ARMY remains quiet. We can't be manipulated so easily. 💜💜💜
this all looks like the perfect plot for a K-drama. One thing for sure Mhj is doing is poking into the Army. If she knew any better she would stay away from them. Do not poke the hornets nest because they will sting you.
This looks like a smear campaign to me orchestrated by
MHJ - not only these wreaths but claims that BTS is part of a cult and the court case that was settled years ago. All very suspicious. The thin that saddens me the most is that Jin is finishing military service, and he is coming back to this mess. 💜
I've been ARMY for over 8 years. There isn't one person that gets to speak for Army. The fanbase is too big and diverse for that to work. There are times when K-Army and I-Army don't even share the same thoughts or opinions as it relates to BTS. First Red Flag for me: This is stated as Korean Army. If this person was truly trying to represent Army he would have said Army period. But it makes sense to me because most International Army's are not on board with this nonsense. Second Red Flag: "We support BTS but not HYBE" makes no sense at all. BTS are indeed shareholders. What happens to HYBE absolutely effects them. You can't have it both ways. Third Red Flag: "Don't talk to the media" screams let me just control the scenario. Finally, true Army would not do anything that would directly or indirectly hurt BTS. It's obvious this was all pre-planned and part of the PR game. Ultimately, HYBE is going to have to decide if they are going to remain quiet or come out swinging. At the end of the day this is still a business and you know who understands this well? Min Hee Jin!!
This action is not passing the “smell test”
I’m not an Army but I do like some of BTS music and I don’t believe their ARMY would do anything like this.
That’s why I’m saying that this is not passing the “smell test”.
I believe this is a part of her plan to cause chaos in the day to day operations of HYBE.
So ARMY keep supporting HYBE and BTS👍🏿👍🏿✊🏿✊🏿
I would never waste money for these protests. Sending funeral items is bad omen, real ARMY don't do that. It's true, that I always support BTS, but as I understand they are big shareholders in HYBE too.
Im not army but my daughter is and from what I gather is army is about love and kindness not bullying or classless tacky attitudes. They really don't seem mean spirited, they seem more uplifted by bts into a healthier mindset for themselves and how they treat others . Thank you again for all your hard work and dedication sugaplum!!!
I do not believe for one minute that BTS ARMY sent these funeral flowers. I am a 70 yr young ARMY and would never, ever be so hurtful, rude, mean to anyone, let alone our OT7! Sean, I have been following you for some time now and love your reporting. Please keep on keeping on and keep explaining to the younger ARMY about what is going on and how “someone” is out to ruin Hybe and BTS. God bless you, Sean💜🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💜
I can't see Army involved in that at all. Now that I know what it says, I find it 100% disgusting. I'm from the West, and I don't understand this kind of protest. This is some sick stuff.
it's so cringe!
@@Hotshortie Discovering from Dave Disci what is said on those wreaths is creepier. No Army would do it. I can't think of haters who would!
No way! True real ARMY would never do anything against Hybe or Bang PD. Other fandoms acting as ARMY have sent trucks to Hybe before. It’s either a different fandom or that crazy woman, I don’t want to even type her name. ARMY has no leader but just watch us rally together globally if we need to protect BTS, Hybe or Bang PD! 💜
A clear case of strategic machinations and fraudulent hate campaign against HYBE using BTS Army! How dare this group do this!!!👹🤬
The last time 1 individual tried speaking for the whole of ARMY was that Kookiekrumbles girl and her sister about 4 yrs ago, and Twt ARMY pretty much chased them off the platform real quick. So there is not an INDIVIDUAL PERSON that can speak on behalf of everyone.
I wonder if MHJ wants to ruin HYBE and then try to leave with NJ & BTS. That would explain the campaign trying to smear hybe as if it is mhj, nj, bts army versus hybe.
Tough luck, mhj. Jeez
BTS is too smart to go with her.
BTS fans did NOT
It could be SOLO stans, antis, MHJ or all together plus the unfinished elementary education "BTS fans" but NEVER real ARMY.
BTS are HYBE and hitman bang respects an knows the tannies are the reason HYBE exists
Army need to wise in everything we do, immature fans could be so impulsive and unreasonable. Support BTS by support Hybe because BTS build it and it's their trustest agency. Bang Si Hyuk is the only oe who trust them back then and raised them
New jeans bunny fans need to have a seat but some of them act as if new jeans is on the level of seasoned groups just cause they had a few hit song. I mean the arrogance is annoying.
When it was posted on Weverse my reaction was just „ who the hell has done such annoying things, that will be ARMYs?“ The fact is younger ARMYs ( age) believe everything they hear and read especially on X, I am an older ARMY my experience and my heart and soul tell me not to trust every rumour, same btw with the acting of MHJ at her press conference…
Any old school army would tell you that no one has that right
Question: Is Ador as a business increasing or decreasing. In Korea it might be ok but overseas, would not have faith in her as a level headed CEO, in fact most would call for her to be replaced. If New Jeans stay with her, career and business wise it'll be very difficult for them to been seen as anything but min the moochers minions.
It totally sounds like a hit piece/smear campaign, and one not orchestrated by BTS fans.
yes it does, and the media fell for it
Thankyou for that insight of the whole story! Whoever organized that is very good and systematic and know how to get things done like has done it many times before. This is another way to divert attention on the current case and pull in the biggest fandom into the picture. Glad to know Army are strong and of high calibre not to do such lowly action. Hmmm wonder who are such people and claim to be army?
Sean, it's getting ridiculous. We really, really need some good heads on ARMYs side to help all of us who actually DO want to show positive support, to help us stop this extremely ugly and malicious narrative. You're right, these people do NOT speak for the majority. But from what I can tell, NO ONE is speaking up. Kmedia is happy to run whatever utter nonsense gets them clicks.
I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that the vast majority of ARMY on both sides are only focusing on supporting Joon's new music. But these loud minority of people are doing all of our talking for us while we're busy being REAL ARMY.
It's beyond the pale.
I have not seen any proof that Army purchased those wreaths. What I know is true Army trust in BTS. I would not disrespect them by sending funeral wreaths.
How many of you all suspect Min Heejin is behind this in some way?
Meeee
And I think she is not alone .. she is just a small player in this drama. Her job is to grab the attention of army and delay the legal process as much as she can. They can be bigger people behind her
Here’s the thing as Army we support BTS through the good and the bad and Hit man bang knows this and knows not to cross Army.
BTS ARMY would never do this.
I really like your channel. We I-ARMY wanted to be respectful to K-ARMY and Korean culture but we had mix feelings about this protest. Thanks for your analysis! I think it makes a lot more sense now.
Nice to see that others agree with me. I’m 68 and this my first instinct is this wasn’t ARMY. Same with MANY comments on YT, etc. from people proclaiming to be ARMY and love BTDS, then go on and describe why MHJ is right. Sure, I’m going to trust some random commenter over BTS.
She also wants to take focus away from her a little and on to HYBE and BTS. If it’s not her, it is people working with/for her, IR antis taking advantage of the situation. I think it could be a combo.
I noticed and commented several times that I was seeing what seemed like a concerted hate campaign against HYBE BEFORE MHJ made her beef public. I’m sure others noticed, too.
Is there something similar to “letters to the editor” for newspapers in Korea?
I truly never encounter toxic ARMY here, U.S.. We have rules and we do adhere to them. SK does have some out of pocket behavior from crazy fans (cant remember the korean name for them, Sassang?), but even this doesn't look like them. I obviously don't know, but I still feel like we are seeing the continued inner scheming of a certain mentally disturbed individual, determined to take HYBE down. Also: I wish people could see her tears were not real and that was a topical used to give her that long-staying wet look around her eyes. I'm so sick over this B.S.. I still can't believe its gotten so bad that HYBE sent us a message apologizing for what ARMY is going through because of this...say what you will about a big corporation but they didn't have to consider our emotions at all.
Sasaeng is the word you're looking for. But honestly sasaeng ppl are just stalkers they wouldn't even care about this lmao. And they certainly wouldn't have this much power to organize so much bullcrap in such a short amount of time. Cuz those sasaengs tend to be kinda dumb. They're too busy in their mentally ill delulu world to fantasize. This is clearly done from MHJ or NJ fans side
The whole thing is wack-a-doo. I became ARMY during the pandemic when we all needed some uplifting. I'm 57 years old and hoping everyone sees through all the shenanigans. In the meantime I will support the artists and HYBE the same way i have been for almost 4 years. 💖💜💖💜
I never believed anything. A real army would never do such a thing.
I am older Army. Real Army would never do this death reefs.
BTS & Hybe & Bighit are family.
It is disrespectful and disgusting behaviour from these people who did the death reefs!
I am Japanese. I would like to tell you about the situation in Japan.
The rebuttal that ADOR publicized to Japan was written in a way that was more skillful and appealing than anything written by a major Japanese company.
Even so, many Japanese adults are skeptical of ADOR because they cannot sympathize with Min Heejin's statements, but children and those who are not well informed are completely fooled. I was moved! Min Heejin is right after all! There were also rave reviews.
Perhaps the same phenomenon is occurring in South Korea.
There are also rumors that TENCENT is the mastermind behind this turmoil. Netmarble, HYBE's second largest shareholder, is in danger of being taken over by a subsidiary of TENCENT.
I can't help but feel that China is behind this public opinion battle. I even think that while they're pretending to take over HYBE, their real intention is to gather data in preparation for a full-scale information war.
In fact, this incident has sparked anti-Japanese sentiment among Korean netizens. The name Project 1945 is quite ominous.
International Army is so powerful !We are going to support BTS forever!They are our International Superstars ,Army, and BTS forever
Mantis want BTS to leave Hybe. That is not a good thing...why? No other company will sue other ppl for defamation on behalf of their artists. Hybe is doing that for BTS. Not only that. Hybe offers protection for BTS personal spaces. That is not something other companies will be able to provide. Now, if BTS really leaves Hybe just because other ppl said so....what will happen next? Yes. The sasaengs will get them.
they might not be perfect but definitely not the worst company as ppl are irresponsibly trying to paint them as