I can cut him a slack for the lackluster bbq oliver team as one can blame it over the lack of player quality. Now C9 as the top team of the region should have no problem executing his ideas and be successful.
Hopefully they bring worlds to Florida, Here in Florida there is no covid live event restrictions, meaning you can have over 10 thousand people in a stadium and still wouldn’t come close to breaking the law.
2:20 he actually commented on this on stream. Basically said to expect some sinner drafts (inc renekton) throughout the season when he thinks it's the right thing to do.
I mean from my understanding he doesnt think these champs are complete dogshit, but teams draft them 90% of the games, first pick, blind pick when it makes no sense.
@@curlybloke101 Teams in NA, specifically the teams with bad or limited champ pool top laners, love to pick Renekton. It's so easy to counter in lane. Reminds me of when teams were just spamming Aatrox. C9 could have went GP, Jayce, Ornn, etc. and got the same result because Renekton is garbage. He's strictly a counter pick champ
@@curlybloke101 and its much more different in late game when you kind of make a hyper carry with all the support he get, so it doesn't fall off that much since all the buff from enchanters..
the highlights of this game for me is berserker not dying to renekton, summit juking the Jhin shots, and summit almost 1v2ing qiyana yuumi at the end of the game only to be interrupted by fudge.
Honestly it’s just refreshing to see C9 try to have it’s own identity even so early on in a coach’s stint on the team. Maybe Fudge’s strength as a mid will be to function as this chameleon player who enables LS to cook up some interesting drafts/strategies to beat other teams.
Ls is becoming a problem on my schedule for LCS, I HAVE to watch every c9 game 4 times over to get all that juicy commentary from each co streamer and castor + Caedral really showing why he's one of the best costreamers to watch knowing just enough variables to be able to predict a lot of the game
Yo Caedrel, your analysis is so good. This is the first time I watch you and it's all on point. A pleasure to hear you, and all the points you make were really clear.
Pridestalkr seems to take the whole Assassin thing too seriously anyways Only reason why C9 could play like this was because he went for two kills while Blaber got 2 drakes
I'll note that Caedrel was evaluating the Renekton pick as if it was a blind pick, but GG probably thought that it was gwen top, or maybe smite Ivern top. I don't think anyone in that spot would consider the Ivern going mid, so to me that changes the evaluation of the pick at least. GG got outmaneuvered hard.
Renekton doesn't beat Gwen either though lol. Like sure maybe until level 6 it's decent, but the matchup only gets worse for Renekton as the game goes on. Level3 spike is Renekton's best chance
to be honest, if fans of LS know about his love for enchanters in every lane (he's been pretty vocal about seraphine/ivern/lulu being able to go 3 to 5 roles each), then I'd say it's something an analyst can come across as well
Any team going against LS should be expecting multi-flex with whatever champions can do so. He’s always advocated for flexibility with the champions’ positions within the game.
@@TheCZcamsUser69 lcs viewership was pretty good last night on the c9 vs eg game (had close to 200k viewers), it's prolly gonna be more for c9 vs 100t/tl games
That ivern mid technology was actually disgusting. He barely goes down in lane and somehow c9 take every dragon and super scaling into team fights. It looks like another top smite Janna except with less risk. LS is a psychopath and I love it
For anyone curious as to why Ivern solo lane is powerful; After level 2 you reallly can't be bullied out. If it's a melee champ and you can react w/ a bush & your shield, you will ALWAYS out trade them, and with the slow frmo your shield you can just run them down. Once you're 6, nothing can beat you, and with items being snowballed faster because of lane cs, you spike super hard super fast. Nothing really "beats" ivern in lane unless he makes a lot of mistakes.
Fudge was getting pushed out of lane by Viktor. He did well enough for his role in the comp, but ivern does eventually struggle once more damage comes online
@Mady Meagen he clearly understands that doe, since he said he had no issues dealing with ivern as an assassin player, your comment seems more like you just misunderstood the purpose of the ban
idk if you read comments, but I know you where talking about how ivern likes champs that just walk in, but the way he plays aphelios this game pairs perfectly with ivern
dude you really need a highlight channel, don't usually watch your vids, without chat it's pretty boring but I went through some of your VODS to find something and your stream is very entertaining
part of me wants LS to finally be humbled a bit but I can't deny he has his moments. He's extremely outspoken, and I do think he's stubborn to a fault, but he certainly isn't all talk. Credit to that.
The second C9 falters and he starts to take heat, he will dip out. He has a weak mental and can't take criticism. Jack knows his C9 roster alone is good enough to be top 4 in NA. Hiring LS was purely to generate money for C9. It's win-win for Jack. Both games C9 have played they would have won just playing traditional meta. We won't know how good C9 is with the addition of LS until we see how they perform in LCS playoffs and internationally.
@@faveology This is true, he's publicly lashed out and feuded with people who have criticised him. I mean the dude used to cheat in pro games of starcraft 2, his mental is weak for sure.
LS's masterplan afterall this time is to convince everyone on how bad healing reduction items are so he can now finally become a coach and abuse enchanters
I think something that is brought up kind of but not really discussed as much as it should is how massive the flex picks are. From GGs perspective the renekton is not a blind pick. You are assuming the comp up to this point is Gwen - top Ivern - Jg and then aphel sona - bot. Obviously they could have considered the gwen is the jg but based on their bans of xin and lee it is obvious they assumed the gwen was top. This is why it is a bit hard to pick other things into a presumed gwen top. Obviously I do not know how some of the suggested tops fair into a presumed Gwen top but it does go into the calculation. They fully expect renekton to be going into Gwen top and that's what makes C9s draft so hard is how versatile it is
A REAL test for C9 comes in the third game today against EG. JoJo curb-stomped Fudge in Lock In and won't be passive in Mid. And Inspired vs Blaber is a top of the table world class Jungling matchup. C9 has less than a week's worth of scrims, so LS surely has something saved up for the much bigger challenge that is EG. Impact Vs Summit! Danny vs Berserker! It's all good.
Agree with your comment about hype matchup but let’s be honest I don’t think inspired or blaber are world class by any means. Inspired is one of my fav players but he has only dominated domestically and blaber well.. we know how all those scuttle fights went
He had to put up or shut up, as someone who isn’t too fond of LS, I don’t hate the guy, just think his opinions are too strong, he definitely shut me up. Weather I like him or not, he progressed the game forward and I have to respect him for that.
Im an ivern one trick, and viktor should win every trade against ivern mid. My guess is that Ablazeolive was thinking "why trade with him, especially if i dont know where gwen is, ill just take the free lane and outscale him". But like caedrel said, the C9 kills got onto the right people, so viktor does not outscale an ivern then
within the minute caedrel says that qiyana shouldn't dive and give botlane his bounty, it happens. Caster curse at its strongest. I know he's watching the VOD but still, its some space time continuum caster curse
I wanna see these LS drafts vs experienced people like Bwipo Bjerg Sama from TL. There is no way it can work if its not broken or TL dont respect ban phase. But I doubt u going to cheese pick Bjergsen who played when half of current C9 doesnt exist. Will be interesting match tho i m looking forward to it.
0:14 we need more of that accent ngl Edit : Question for anyone with knowledge : I know Jhin-Yuumi-Viktor in the first round of picks is veru debatable, but would Malphite on B5 instead of Renekton have been a better option at that point in the draft ?
Not a big fan of that pick but would be way better cause of the engage but a lot of teams are drafting like animals.. few teams care about an actually team comp most of them just pick confort picks even when is bad or doesnt bring nothing ..
@@FereniaO No? .. lool an other adc vs Gwen with double enchant is just terible.. Any hard engage top and is free because you need to kill that Sona/Ivern before you can start play front to back with the viktor
@@vevymotivation At that point draft was pretty much lost regardless, only qyanna would be able to follow the malphite while jhin and viktor wanna fight from range and thats terrible vs the other comp with that much sustain, and gwen can melt the malphite same as the renekton
@@Yoshi-qw1bp well i never said their comp is good i just said malphite or any engage top would be better then an other adc top as someone sugested.. but yea that's the think with LS drafts they force you to get out of comfort you cant win vs double enchant with confort picks as Rene , jhin ( Viktor can be decent but not really strong )
Problem is, the "Better team" Caedrel mentioned at that end... might not exist in NA right now. TL EG and 100T all have skilled players, but can the effectively punish the Chruch?
Maybe not at first but eventually they can. Even if they can't do it for spring playoffs, summer just gonna be even more spicy. LS is making c9 a korean team at this point. This is good practice for the top three.
TL isn't even able to use their full roster. TL will only get better with time. EG is overrated. 100T is solid, but they are really only built to do well in NA
@@faveology TL will definitely be strong. I think EG is exactly rated at what they should be... pretty good. 100T is easily the most unimpressive, especially when you talk about their drafts, macro, game sense, and flexibility
I think C9 will be inconsistent at least in the first split but I'm more excited to watch them than TL. I'm a Danny stan so I will love watching EG but you just know every C( game will be a banger, especially twitter after the games.
I have to agree though, GG's Midlaner could have harassed this Ivern from the get go, with or without his Hexcore upgrade, plus Qiyana giving the Viktor the best ramping of a life time; Also, Qiyana taking everything was not smart at all..... share some with your buddies
In the end every champion can be viable if it fits into the game plan and counters the enemies' game plan. What LS really hates if people just pick champs because they are regarded as OP, but they forget about champs that are not meta at the moment, but would be more suitable for the job that they need to do in that game.
Definetly, he said on stream he isn't oppesed to that and also he is keeping Diana on high regards which means yes renekton and yasuo are always a thought in mind
@@abouttime2569 not looking at how annoying the guy can be it feels like he is the only guy out there who actually understands the game, its just people cant/dont want to go out of their comfort zone so much and be flexible
@@nickolayvlachkov7781 No. He knows more than the general public. That is all. He also speaks with confidence. And people just believe him. If you compare LS to actual Korean ex-pros, ex-coaches, LS' knowledge is very limited. This is how society works. It is not what you know. It is how you sell it. LS is a salesman.
@@abouttime2569 1. When LS was fired as a coach it wasn't just a tragedy because I think he would have been a good coach, he brought more variety to the 4 games he was a part of than the LCS had seen in a very long time. What he brought was fresh to an otherwise stale LCS meta, even if you disagree about how good it was. 2. How can you even vouch for Korean coaches? The players are the best, but how do you even know what the coaches contribute?
@@liammckenna1479 1. I do agree LS' approach was fresh. Would it have worked long term? Who knows. Too much of a small sample size to even say anything about it. 2. I speak fluent Korean and I watch various streams from current and former LCK coaches and players. I usually watch a lot of analysis and discussions. The detail of explanation of games and drafts are miles ahead of LS'. For example, LS is doing multiplication, and LCK personnel are doing algebra. It is not even close. Rekkles has been doing analysis while he was not playing and he is identified by the Korean community as a player who doesn't know a lot about the game. On average, the Korean community knows more than the English speaking community because they are being fed with much higher quality analysis all these years. You can tell the difference in quality of debates in online communities. The reason why LS have different opinions with a lot of decisions by LCK teams is because he doesn't understand the game in a very deep manner.
B5 kennen gets smacked by R5 irelia here I think. Smashes the lane, isn't too scared of qiyana since she can W the R, wins sidelane and has a Sona Ivern with her in 5v5s. Also gives c9 a great physical magic damage split.
Summit and Berserker look fucking cracked, can easily be the best players in LCS in their roles, maybe even the west considering how bad LEC tops and ADs look right now outside of BB and Comp.
Olaf last pick would have destroyed kennen right? Like Olaf would have demolished Viktor, Kennen, Jhin and qiyana. Blaber would have murdered them. The triple flex was just too much.
Kennen isn't good vs Gwen either. Gwen just doesn't really have a bad lane matchup. Gwen can just go exhaust + TP. Exhaust literally counters Kennen so hard, especially late game when he is just an R bot who stuns EDIT: Also, this is NA. We suck at Kennen and Jayce top 😆
If GG (or any Western team) were looking for the sort of selfish hard-carry Jungler that takes all the buffs and resources, they could have just gotten the better version and signed Dardoch (yet again).
They aren't well practiced as a complete team yet due to the Visa situation that prevented the korean side from coming to NA until this month. So Berserker and Summit are on champions they are familiar with while Fudge gets to play the spicy picks. Gnar does the job here and Summit is good with it
Like or hate c9 or ls, you can't deny that this shit was super fun and entertaining. Haven't had that much fun watching league in years
You obviously haven't watched the Sneaky, Doublelft, Meteos Co-Stream then.
@@saintsataniko2116 The entertainment comes from the streamers not the game
@@saintsataniko2116 the absolute legendary trio
@@saintsataniko2116 read their comment again and rethink what you typed
@@saintsataniko2116 he means in the pro scenes not from retired players genius 🤡
Can’t wait to see what LS will pull out. We finally get to see him put his theories into practice.
I can cut him a slack for the lackluster bbq oliver team as one can blame it over the lack of player quality. Now C9 as the top team of the region should have no problem executing his ideas and be successful.
yuumi jungle
@@amplitudehertz17 how is c9 at all the best team in the region? lol
@@Anixyia at least player wise C9 has the best players individually for most of the team.
@@shinobuu__ blatantly not true.
LCS just needs a live audience - this year is gonna be hype.
Hopefully they bring worlds to Florida, Here in Florida there is no covid live event restrictions, meaning you can have over 10 thousand people in a stadium and still wouldn’t come close to breaking the law.
@@rwwars6948 exactly why it isn't going to be in Florida lol
@@maxhuang770 imagine the Hopuim, Na or EU wins worlds infront of a stadium of people.
ON GOD
@@rwwars6948 you’re aware riot has been avoiding covid spreading right? Lol “no covid restrictions” as if that were a “good” decision. Jeez 🤣🤣 🤦🏽♂️
2:20 he actually commented on this on stream. Basically said to expect some sinner drafts (inc renekton) throughout the season when he thinks it's the right thing to do.
I mean from my understanding he doesnt think these champs are complete dogshit, but teams draft them 90% of the games, first pick, blind pick when it makes no sense.
@@curlybloke101 Teams in NA, specifically the teams with bad or limited champ pool top laners, love to pick Renekton. It's so easy to counter in lane. Reminds me of when teams were just spamming Aatrox. C9 could have went GP, Jayce, Ornn, etc. and got the same result because Renekton is garbage. He's strictly a counter pick champ
@@curlybloke101 and its much more different in late game when you kind of make a hyper carry with all the support he get, so it doesn't fall off that much since all the buff from enchanters..
the highlights of this game for me is berserker not dying to renekton, summit juking the Jhin shots, and summit almost 1v2ing qiyana yuumi at the end of the game only to be interrupted by fudge.
what makes that juking thing for me is that 4th shot and qyiana's q went to the same place so he juked 2 skills at once
@@rezy144 Tbh, GG just isn't good. They looked bad in lock-in and somehow look even worse now.
@@rezy144 honestly it would be more impressive if he dodged 2 skillshots in different places
Can't wait to see 1st time item ivern on my ranked queue 😅
if fudge can 1st time soraka mid and won what stops you brother?
dont worry man its still a free win
good luck in silver 4!
By first timing he meant in pro play. He said he practiced it on scrims
@@alexandrubucurica1709 Bit late, but he didn't practice it in scrims, he just 1v1'd Copy (C9 Academy's Mid laner)
I played ranked like 1 hr after this game and was playing against Ivern mid in D2 NA lol
Honestly it’s just refreshing to see C9 try to have it’s own identity even so early on in a coach’s stint on the team. Maybe Fudge’s strength as a mid will be to function as this chameleon player who enables LS to cook up some interesting drafts/strategies to beat other teams.
Aged like a fine egg
@@JigAtTheFuneral lul unfortunately yes
Ls is becoming a problem on my schedule for LCS, I HAVE to watch every c9 game 4 times over to get all that juicy commentary from each co streamer and castor
+ Caedral really showing why he's one of the best costreamers to watch knowing just enough variables to be able to predict a lot of the game
Who do you watch
I'm interested in more content but only found caedrel and IWD
Ain't this the truth lmao. everyone has something interesting to say, caedrel is no exception.
@@zeronothinghere9334 TheBritishPoro has some great vids on both of last weekends draft.
Yo Caedrel, your analysis is so good. This is the first time I watch you and it's all on point. A pleasure to hear you, and all the points you make were really clear.
Ain’t seen the video but I already know he said “bro, what the fuck” or “pog let’s go man” at the ivern
he'd already seen the draft offscreen unfortunately
Pog Caedral video about LS
Man I was just thinking about this!
15:17 what a turbo int flash by pridestalker. Enemy is on ocean soul point and dude is flashing for only 300 gold.
Pridestalkr seems to take the whole Assassin thing too seriously anyways
Only reason why C9 could play like this was because he went for two kills while Blaber got 2 drakes
Congrats on this vid popping off! You deserve every view.
Can’t wait for the C9 v EG game analysis
Pretty crazy how much investment LS has brought to the LCS.
I'll note that Caedrel was evaluating the Renekton pick as if it was a blind pick, but GG probably thought that it was gwen top, or maybe smite Ivern top. I don't think anyone in that spot would consider the Ivern going mid, so to me that changes the evaluation of the pick at least. GG got outmaneuvered hard.
Renekton doesn't beat Gwen either though lol. Like sure maybe until level 6 it's decent, but the matchup only gets worse for Renekton as the game goes on. Level3 spike is Renekton's best chance
to be honest, if fans of LS know about his love for enchanters in every lane (he's been pretty vocal about seraphine/ivern/lulu being able to go 3 to 5 roles each), then I'd say it's something an analyst can come across as well
Any team going against LS should be expecting multi-flex with whatever champions can do so. He’s always advocated for flexibility with the champions’ positions within the game.
caedral is the guy to watch for competitive people period. man learned a match up mid recording, chill he's the goat
“They just threw the whole game” that’s exactly what I said the second I saw that fight. People are so scared and play weird against these LS drafts
I love these analysis. Keep up the good job caedrel ;)
TL's roster and the C9 intrigue might be the things that save LCS terrible viewership
Not happening. LCS is such a snoozfest
@@TheCZcamsUser69 Dude I'm afraid you've been watching a completely different tournament
@@matheuseduardo67 well lock in was a snooze fest, but the regular season is promising
@@TheCZcamsUser69 lcs viewership was pretty good last night on the c9 vs eg game (had close to 200k viewers), it's prolly gonna be more for c9 vs 100t/tl games
I basically only watch LCS for TL, 100T, and C9.
That ivern mid technology was actually disgusting. He barely goes down in lane and somehow c9 take every dragon and super scaling into team fights. It looks like another top smite Janna except with less risk. LS is a psychopath and I love it
For anyone curious as to why Ivern solo lane is powerful;
After level 2 you reallly can't be bullied out. If it's a melee champ and you can react w/ a bush & your shield, you will ALWAYS out trade them, and with the slow frmo your shield you can just run them down. Once you're 6, nothing can beat you, and with items being snowballed faster because of lane cs, you spike super hard super fast.
Nothing really "beats" ivern in lane unless he makes a lot of mistakes.
Fudge was getting pushed out of lane by Viktor. He did well enough for his role in the comp, but ivern does eventually struggle once more damage comes online
i have absolutely 0 issues murdering mid lane ivern as an assassin player
@Mady Meagen they banned zed because of the jungler, he's an assassin player, caedrel even mentions it's a target ban at pridestalker
@Mady Meagen he clearly understands that doe, since he said he had no issues dealing with ivern as an assassin player, your comment seems more like you just misunderstood the purpose of the ban
idk if you read comments, but I know you where talking about how ivern likes champs that just walk in, but the way he plays aphelios this game pairs perfectly with ivern
LS redemption arc. His healing/shielding solo lanes obsession pays off. Good to see(i guess?)
dude you really need a highlight channel, don't usually watch your vids, without chat it's pretty boring but I went through some of your VODS to find something and your stream is very entertaining
IVERN MID POG, LET'S GO MAN!
this will go great as you two have so different view on the game
First time I watch lcs in years. It’s one of the most entertaining game I’ve ever watch
How come Midbeast didn't make a video on the "1000LP Korean Ivern onetrick"?
Glad to see that Clown9 finally showed everyone the true power of Ivern mid
part of me wants LS to finally be humbled a bit but I can't deny he has his moments. He's extremely outspoken, and I do think he's stubborn to a fault, but he certainly isn't all talk. Credit to that.
The second C9 falters and he starts to take heat, he will dip out. He has a weak mental and can't take criticism. Jack knows his C9 roster alone is good enough to be top 4 in NA. Hiring LS was purely to generate money for C9. It's win-win for Jack. Both games C9 have played they would have won just playing traditional meta. We won't know how good C9 is with the addition of LS until we see how they perform in LCS playoffs and internationally.
@@faveology This is true, he's publicly lashed out and feuded with people who have criticised him. I mean the dude used to cheat in pro games of starcraft 2, his mental is weak for sure.
haters in tears lol
LS's masterplan afterall this time is to convince everyone on how bad healing reduction items are so he can now finally become a coach and abuse enchanters
Rip the masterplan, was fun while it lasted tho
LS drafts LETS GO
Holy moly this video is absolutely popping off. props to caedrel and his editor
c9 is now must watch team, im so happy LS got a spot on c9 with this specific roster.
I think something that is brought up kind of but not really discussed as much as it should is how massive the flex picks are. From GGs perspective the renekton is not a blind pick. You are assuming the comp up to this point is Gwen - top Ivern - Jg and then aphel sona - bot. Obviously they could have considered the gwen is the jg but based on their bans of xin and lee it is obvious they assumed the gwen was top. This is why it is a bit hard to pick other things into a presumed gwen top. Obviously I do not know how some of the suggested tops fair into a presumed Gwen top but it does go into the calculation. They fully expect renekton to be going into Gwen top and that's what makes C9s draft so hard is how versatile it is
LS puts the LS in LCS this year.
A REAL test for C9 comes in the third game today against EG. JoJo curb-stomped Fudge in Lock In and won't be passive in Mid. And Inspired vs Blaber is a top of the table world class Jungling matchup. C9 has less than a week's worth of scrims, so LS surely has something saved up for the much bigger challenge that is EG. Impact Vs Summit! Danny vs Berserker! It's all good.
Agree with your comment about hype matchup but let’s be honest I don’t think inspired or blaber are world class by any means. Inspired is one of my fav players but he has only dominated domestically and blaber well.. we know how all those scuttle fights went
weeeeeeell .... i don't think anybody has the right to shit the talk the guy anymore, pro's egos are gonna have a tough one this year.
Looks like they passed the test:p
Welll about that....
Man the Jojo stomping Fudge aged poorly (ended game 0/5/4 on Viktor)
interesting, i thought the karma top flyquest unloaded was kind fun too.
He had to put up or shut up, as someone who isn’t too fond of LS, I don’t hate the guy, just think his opinions are too strong, he definitely shut me up. Weather I like him or not, he progressed the game forward and I have to respect him for that.
@Knightfalldoe I want a C9 jersey but those prices kinda stop me
lets wait a second. They havent proven anything yet. Need to pull this off against a good team first
@@larswalsleben3489 they just won vs EG, think its working
@@larswalsleben3489 they fucked EG with soraka mid soooo..
Damn LS. I actually got 4 of c9 on my fantasy. They are gonna be so hard to predict
Oh man it's good to get some representation.
Early to the cathedral :)
waiting for the EG game now
Im an ivern one trick, and viktor should win every trade against ivern mid. My guess is that Ablazeolive was thinking "why trade with him, especially if i dont know where gwen is, ill just take the free lane and outscale him". But like caedrel said, the C9 kills got onto the right people, so viktor does not outscale an ivern then
within the minute caedrel says that qiyana shouldn't dive and give botlane his bounty, it happens. Caster curse at its strongest. I know he's watching the VOD but still, its some space time continuum caster curse
I quit playing and watching league of legends a couple months ago. LS might actually make me watch again.
I wanna see these LS drafts vs experienced people like Bwipo Bjerg Sama from TL.
There is no way it can work if its not broken or TL dont respect ban phase.
But I doubt u going to cheese pick Bjergsen who played when half of current C9 doesnt exist.
Will be interesting match tho i m looking forward to it.
blitzcrank would be so good into this comp
400k🎉
0:14 we need more of that accent ngl
Edit : Question for anyone with knowledge : I know Jhin-Yuumi-Viktor in the first round of picks is veru debatable, but would Malphite on B5 instead of Renekton have been a better option at that point in the draft ?
Not a big fan of that pick but would be way better cause of the engage but a lot of teams are drafting like animals.. few teams care about an actually team comp most of them just pick confort picks even when is bad or doesnt bring nothing ..
Nah caedrel had the best pivot here on r5, kennen or an adc top would be best here
@@FereniaO No? .. lool an other adc vs Gwen with double enchant is just terible.. Any hard engage top and is free because you need to kill that Sona/Ivern before you can start play front to back with the viktor
@@vevymotivation At that point draft was pretty much lost regardless, only qyanna would be able to follow the malphite while jhin and viktor wanna fight from range and thats terrible vs the other comp with that much sustain, and gwen can melt the malphite same as the renekton
@@Yoshi-qw1bp well i never said their comp is good i just said malphite or any engage top would be better then an other adc top as someone sugested.. but yea that's the think with LS drafts they force you to get out of comfort you cant win vs double enchant with confort picks as Rene , jhin ( Viktor can be decent but not really strong )
Problem is, the "Better team" Caedrel mentioned at that end... might not exist in NA right now. TL EG and 100T all have skilled players, but can the effectively punish the Chruch?
EG down, 2 teams to go 0_o
Maybe not at first but eventually they can. Even if they can't do it for spring playoffs, summer just gonna be even more spicy. LS is making c9 a korean team at this point. This is good practice for the top three.
TL isn't even able to use their full roster. TL will only get better with time. EG is overrated. 100T is solid, but they are really only built to do well in NA
@@faveology TL will definitely be strong. I think EG is exactly rated at what they should be... pretty good. 100T is easily the most unimpressive, especially when you talk about their drafts, macro, game sense, and flexibility
man 😔
The fact that c9 is willing to bind metas, and try different things is why I think c9 is the greatest NA team right now.
I think C9 will be inconsistent at least in the first split but I'm more excited to watch them than TL. I'm a Danny stan so I will love watching EG but you just know every C( game will be a banger, especially twitter after the games.
review c9 vs eg
Lcs looks so good comparing to lec.
Yeah it really would be interesting to see how the game would have turned out if C9 were playing against some of NA's better teams like TL and EG.
We will see today
they would probably lose but again, they had like 3 days of practice in scrims while TL and EG had like 2 weeks +
Soraka S tier I guess
1st time soraka in 2 years> EG
I have to agree though, GG's Midlaner could have harassed this Ivern from the get go, with or without his Hexcore upgrade, plus Qiyana giving the Viktor the best ramping of a life time; Also, Qiyana taking everything was not smart at all..... share some with your buddies
Just in terms of pure entertainment LCS is unmatched lol.
even less value warding ivern bushes because he is constantly auto attacking from the bush revealing himself anyway
I love ivern so much
To the question if LS will pick Renekton in future, he might because we saw Gnar today and LS hate Gnar.
He may hate gnar, but gnar is less sinful than renekton, in addition to the fact that summit is excellent on gnar.
In the end every champion can be viable if it fits into the game plan and counters the enemies' game plan. What LS really hates if people just pick champs because they are regarded as OP, but they forget about champs that are not meta at the moment, but would be more suitable for the job that they need to do in that game.
Definetly, he said on stream he isn't oppesed to that and also he is keeping Diana on high regards which means yes renekton and yasuo are always a thought in mind
22:16 NA has a new soloQ?
Caedrel as coach when?
Is ivern playable meta? Feels like you can't apply pressure correctly but that ivern Korea story is awesome 😂
Berserker is the Guma of NA
i dont always like ls or think he is right, but god damn this draft is fun
That qiyana is Nono
imagine giving up drakes when you have prio.
Yuumi can sit on Viktor and also on Rene, but yeah draft could be better.
Ah what could have been...
Nothing significant. LS is just highly overrated by his fanboys who don't know much about the game.
@@abouttime2569 not looking at how annoying the guy can be it feels like he is the only guy out there who actually understands the game, its just people cant/dont want to go out of their comfort zone so much and be flexible
@@nickolayvlachkov7781 No. He knows more than the general public. That is all. He also speaks with confidence. And people just believe him. If you compare LS to actual Korean ex-pros, ex-coaches, LS' knowledge is very limited.
This is how society works. It is not what you know. It is how you sell it. LS is a salesman.
@@abouttime2569 1. When LS was fired as a coach it wasn't just a tragedy because I think he would have been a good coach, he brought more variety to the 4 games he was a part of than the LCS had seen in a very long time. What he brought was fresh to an otherwise stale LCS meta, even if you disagree about how good it was.
2. How can you even vouch for Korean coaches? The players are the best, but how do you even know what the coaches contribute?
@@liammckenna1479 1. I do agree LS' approach was fresh. Would it have worked long term? Who knows. Too much of a small sample size to even say anything about it.
2. I speak fluent Korean and I watch various streams from current and former LCK coaches and players. I usually watch a lot of analysis and discussions. The detail of explanation of games and drafts are miles ahead of LS'. For example, LS is doing multiplication, and LCK personnel are doing algebra. It is not even close. Rekkles has been doing analysis while he was not playing and he is identified by the Korean community as a player who doesn't know a lot about the game. On average, the Korean community knows more than the English speaking community because they are being fed with much higher quality analysis all these years. You can tell the difference in quality of debates in online communities. The reason why LS have different opinions with a lot of decisions by LCK teams is because he doesn't understand the game in a very deep manner.
Very swedish hello 11:03 xD
B5 kennen gets smacked by R5 irelia here I think. Smashes the lane, isn't too scared of qiyana since she can W the R, wins sidelane and has a Sona Ivern with her in 5v5s. Also gives c9 a great physical magic damage split.
Blabber 1v3 not 1v2
I don't play league anymore just watch pro play can someone explain to me what the new solo queue caedral is talking about at the end
I dont know the details but they splitted na and created a high elo server on the west coast. For better ping etc i guess
Summit and Berserker look fucking cracked, can easily be the best players in LCS in their roles, maybe even the west considering how bad LEC tops and ADs look right now outside of BB and Comp.
I wouldn’t discount Danny, Bwipo, and Hans sama (even if Danny hasn’t been tested yet). Upset as well for LEC.
Does fbi not exist 😂
Yeah FBI and Danny were popping off this week too
Berserker might need to catch an aphelios ban every game after today lmao
@@IfWhatYes dude is nuts and the church of LS is gaining a mass following 🙏🏿😂
Olaf last pick would have destroyed kennen right? Like Olaf would have demolished Viktor, Kennen, Jhin and qiyana. Blaber would have murdered them. The triple flex was just too much.
Kennen isn't good vs Gwen either. Gwen just doesn't really have a bad lane matchup. Gwen can just go exhaust + TP. Exhaust literally counters Kennen so hard, especially late game when he is just an R bot who stuns
EDIT: Also, this is NA. We suck at Kennen and Jayce top 😆
Pride playing with an ego 💀 entertaining to watch c9 though!
I feel like blabber should have gone rylais third and just made their lives hell
I thought this was c9 Jensen
why the hell is viktor running cookies vs ivern
Looked like GG lost the game more than C9 won the game, not to take anything away from C9. Fun stuff, looking forward to more.
If GG (or any Western team) were looking for the sort of selfish hard-carry Jungler that takes all the buffs and resources, they could have just gotten the better version and signed Dardoch (yet again).
thats t1 berserker
dawifx doesnt exist
was ls behind the gnar pick? I swear he hates that champ
They aren't well practiced as a complete team yet due to the Visa situation that prevented the korean side from coming to NA until this month.
So Berserker and Summit are on champions they are familiar with while Fudge gets to play the spicy picks.
Gnar does the job here and Summit is good with it
u are joking with r5 rene right ?
well people just can't stop talking about C9 now i guess everyone wants the views. Dead region is back in action baby
I need LCS without all the screaming casters, can caed please do lcs casts aswell?!
Is Pridestalkr just a Walmart Selfmade? A carry player that doesn't care about anything else
Yes lol
I thought Caedrel was British. Why does he have a semi-german accent?
hahaha, ls the ivern fanboy strikes
draft nirvana
lcs xD
Meme region
but but but GG has lost
and that was before any clowning happened
Repent blasphemous croc