Consider: this matters bc in a future chapter there’s going to be a Pokémon-type minigame where you enlist members of the Castle Town to battle enemies
I was thinking a Megami Tensei-style fusion system myself! If items could be fused...why not Darkners? They're living items themselves. (Hopefully it won't make Amalgamates tho)
Susie's element is probably Rude, sinca her Rude Buster spell is described as dealing "Rude-elemental damage". Keeping the same gag-logic Ralsei's element might simply be "Fluffy" since hcapter 1 frequently refers to him as such.
Remember that jevil says "The queen RETURNS" which means she used to live with the king, jevil also used to be the court Jester, if tasque manager has served the queen for a long time then there's a big chance Jevil and Tasque Manager met in the past.
@@averagegenzguy2751 Ralsei's Dark Fountain is not the same as King's Dark fountain. Even though they're close to each other, that doesn't mean they share same effects.
Seam also states that it was good to see the Queen "again". Therefore, Queen has visited the old classroom previously. This likely happened before the dark fountains ever existed. Once a dark world is created, it acts and functions like it was always there previously.
From what i’ve gathered on the wiki, all the elements are are associated with a number in the game’s code. Spamton’s number is 6, which is apparently cat?? Don’t ask me why, I’m just as confused too lol.
I think what's also interesting about Tasque's dialogue is also the implication she seems somewhat aware of Jevil in the first place. Like, how would she exactly know that those items are related to Chaos unless she specifically knew they were related to Jevil in some way. It's just a small detail that could be interesting.
There's a lot of... Curious things about Tasque Manager Aside from the Jevil parallels - And there are more than just what is listed here, for example she frequently says 'Order, Order' if you fight her normally - she is voiced, she can change the shape of the battle square, she has special interaction with the manniquin, dealmaker, and frayed bowtie (They reduce her damage by a percent.) Notably, that means both super-boss' items have a unique interaction with her. And, those other traits are mostly shared by end-bosses and super-bosses So we might get a much harder rematch in a later chapter, or something
@@i010001 i thjnk the damage reduction is based of noise bullets though, correct me if i'm wrong, so it could be that her attacks simlly count as sound bullets
Can we just bring up something about Tasque Manager. An actual voice for enemies isn't something used frequently in the game, but it comes up for special ones. Namely the bonus bosses Jevil and Spamton... So why does Tasque Manager need one for her attack? It does help one remember what letter to go to for her attack, but it surely makes her stick out as a simple mini-boss. I am unsure if she will be a bonus boss, but she feels like someone that needs to be researched more and how she could have more to her.
If we're thinking Ralsei and Susie are Order and Chaos, it's worth noting that Noelle can obtain a "Moss Neutral" title if you find the moss with her. It's description is 'Neither chaotic nor lawful to moss' Both Noelle and Kris are more able to be led by the player than other players, which could be seen as neutral in a certain sense. Though, realistically, I don't know if this is the type of game that would really take any alignment stuff seriously.
Honestly, I think Toby would probably do something weird in chapter 4 that would throw everyone off. Toby has always kept secrets from us and Deltarune has to at least answer a handful of the questions we had from undertale.
theres an unused item buried in the files, called the skymantle, its description being: "a cape that shimmers[...] protects against elec and holy attacks" so theres ANOTHER element, called holy could that be used for the angel in the propechy? or will future chapters have holy creatures?
@@SpaceLanceFTW the sky mantle is still unused, so the "dark mantle" could be in later chapters alongside the sky mantle. Also, maybe the "dark mantle" could be a "hell mantle" instead, considering the "holy" resistance for the sky mantle.
in a lot of modern RPGs with elements (especially mobil games) the protagonist character will have a special "null" element with no weakness or resistance, so i can imagine Kris having no element, using the logic that "humans don't have an element because they dont have inherit magic like monsters" i wonder if elements will become an actual gameplay mechanic or if it's just a fun joke lore thing, there's an unused armor in the game that say it protects from elec and holy attacks, but as far as i know, no attacks in the game actually have an associated element so it could just be funny flavor text, like how different weapons and armors give you stats that don't do anything like "bad idea" or "fluffy UP"
Technically deal maker, frayed bowtie, and the mannequin reduce the damage you receive against tasque, tasque manager and spamton Neo attacks, so presumably that could be tied to elemental resistance
here's some of my assumptions: Kris doesn't use any magic so their elemental is unknown but they can support his party members with the power of our soul to help them cast more difficult spells like Dual Heal and Red Buster. *Susie is Rude elemental* because of her magic attack Rude Buster and it's description "Deals moderate Rude-elemental damage to one foe". *Ralsei is Fluffy elemental* I decided (with some of the people's replies) that he's Fluffy elemental because of some saving texts "The power of fluffy boys shines within you." or his party menu descriptions "Fluffy Prince" or even the whole Hug Ralsei thing recurring throughout the game. (Nothing wrong with a little fluffiness in your life.) He even can cast FluffyGuard during Spamton NEO fight. *Noelle is Ice elemental* because her every spell uses ice or snow in some way or another. In addition Noelle also may be holy elemental because she can use Healing Prayer, also some Addisons (and Spamton sometimes) call her Angel. *Berdly is Wind elemental* because of his tornado attacks. feel free to correct me
@@alexxstewart96 If you're laughing at my correction, keep in mind this is a conscious choice Toby made when making Kris, and he himself has corrected even Fangamer hosts on Kris' pronouns. To be a fan of Undertale/Deltarune and not understand that being a jerk to those who are different than yourself is a shitty thing... truly really embarrassing for you.
Is Spamton's element cat, or it's just something going on with his items that let you protect from Tasque's and TM's bullets? Spamton also dislikes clowns, it's mentioned by werewire in cyber world, and by Spamton himself when in shop he says he will soon surpass [clown around town]
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I think it's very simple. The element listed is the type of damage that their bullets do in battle. Multiple types means that bullets from different attack patterns have different qualities. Certain armors, such as the Dealmaker, reduce damage from those bullets.
So what your saying is attacks by darkners don't actually have a link to their element? It's actually an indicator if what a character is using during a battle can reduce the damage of a bullet hitting them? So for Example: The skymantle (if it ever gets added) will make bullets done by darkners who have the holy and/or electric element do less damage, but those bullets don't actually look "electric" or "holy". Hope you don't mind me asking. I'm working on a fanmade Deltarune tabletop rpg, and I've been scratching my head recently on how darkner magic would work when considering the elements.
It seems like Electric and Holy are the same element. The Sky Mantle is coded to increase your defense against "element 1." in the game's code. Which surprised me because I assumed it would be coded to defend against two things like the text implies. (I did a video on that actually czcams.com/video/GGKtlEdEBRM/video.html )
Chapter 3 is not tv world as Toby isn't so straightforward. It must be the police office. Undyne probably just said she couldn't investigate as she needs to catch the dogs and that it is a small crime and that Tori must just visit a mechanic. But susie has changed which probably means that she will go visit the police office along with Kris on her own but no one is in. Suddenly she notices that the lock up has curtains blocking it. She opens it and jumps into a police themed dark world with Kris. It makes sense as spamton said Mike is a criminal. So the next people would probably be napstablook and undyne who just caught the dogs and went back in the office to put them in the lock up but suddenly fell in. The dogs escaped. Undyne would have the element water and napstablook would have spookiness.
I can imagine special bosses like Jevil possibly being brought in at one point to the town, as it is likely something to be used to later chapters. As for these elements I wouldn't be surprised if you get some sort of armor or weapon that protects against these elements or harms them respectively. It's also possible you can have them go against each other in your town, not saying it has to be a fight as it can be a chess game for all we know!.... I now really want to see Jevil and Tasque Manager interact with one another XD. It seems like it wouldn't be the most friendly interaction, yet it surely would be entertaining XD.
I found one comment that said Tasque manager is the opposite of Jevil because She is skinny while Jevil is round, and She likes order, while Jevil likes chaos
Quite interesting that the Ponman (PAWNS in chess) are order... The other thing with order and chaos seem to be control. Pawns are controlled in chess; the word is often a synonym with minion or underling, too. And the Tasque manager MANAGES (controls) the Tasques... Then there's poor Spamton, who was apparently controlled by someone else. Major theme here, and the elements are just additional support for it. A nice overview!
I used to post similar things about each character representing certain elements and traits, but never got any recognition, I’m so glad someone had a similar idea and got the word out!
I think the elements are mostly flavor text (as literally the only context in which anything is programmed to be affected by “elements” at all is the gear that reduces damage from CAT element attacks, which is also Spamton’s element). But there’s obviously no ruling out lore implications, and they are absolutely worth looking into, especially those for major enemies such as Jevil. Order and Chaos as opposing elemental forces is pretty great and I wouldn’t be surprised to see more stuff come out of this mechanic in the future.
I imagine these elements might become relevant in future chapters. perhaps at some point there'll be some kind of minigame where you'll get to make use of recruited enemies, or/and there could maybe be equipment that's weak or strong against certain elements.
Gives me Megami Ibunroku Persona vibes, or Persona Revelations. In fact, Noelle's Spells remind me of how the Persona 1 translators dealt with the Spell names, turning agi to fire and maragidyne into inferno, along with the other families of Spells, though the order and chaos elements are definitely based off Shin Megami Tensei, since the idea of talking to monsters came from the Shin Megami Tensei series demon negotiation. Though there is probably a bit of Pokèmon in there as well.
This is very interesting. I wonder if the amount of strength you receive from doing snowgrave route will become a major factor when it comes to fights in relation to elements. Like Kris being lv 3 but due to the fact that their so strong, another element makes them more vulnerable based on enemies killed or something like that. Anyways, thanks for the video
Pretty good video, and yeah, you're probably the first person I've seen actually discuss this. But bro, please slow down the frame transitions for the text blocks there's like 3 lines of we have to read in like, a second and a half or smth.
spamton element: BIG:SHOT If so, it would be funny that there were enemies with element BIG and other SHOT. I wonder if SHOT element would have to do with the yellow soul. I wonder what would be the element of the six children or any character from Undertale.
Spa Morton is cat because in his neo fight he has strings so presumably the cat element also relates to string and other cat related things not just the character being a cat
@@HalfBreadChaos Does anyone actually fall for these at this point? Is there still living humans on earth that aren't keenly aware that rickrolls are a thing and make up 99% of all CZcams links?
This might be important in the next chapters, maybe certain enemies will be weak from a party members element attack Especially we have a chance that we can have Toriel as our party member while Undyne being.. against us... Yeah..
Spamton The revolutionary, who lives in the dumpster. Giving you special offer for kromer. Like: fried pipis, kromer, garbage. Hate: the knight, wires. Type: chaos;virus;order
If you check Susie’s power menu before she becomes a healing master, it says something like « Dark Knight. Deals damage using dark energy. » so maybe Susie’s element is Dark or Darkness?
@@shayaantosemito8312 Then why the hell are you asking if you know already. Asking questions whose answers you already know sounds pretty fkg dumb to me.
I think ist interesting, that rabbick is element dust, because as far as I know darkners do turn into dust once they die, does that mean, that rabbick likes to be near places where a lot of darkners die?
ah yes... the typical elemental trio: order, chaos, mouse.
they made some big changes in SMT5, but i'm all for it
lmfao
@@Vee_Sheep The newest addition to SMT 3’s remaster, the Mouse magatama
Instantly lets you one shot any elephant-like demons
@@Pvsn08 that particular one-eyed fuck won't ever see it coming lmao
@@Vee_Sheep **Last Surprise quietly plays in the background**
@@Vee_Sheep especially since he is lacking in depth perception
Berdly’s element is gaming
element : gamer:smart
@@harmenxiv6439 *gamer:intelligent
"Element: Sigma:Gamer"
Element: gamer: chad: panty dropper.
element: gamer:gamer:gamer:intelligent:smartopia
Consider: this matters bc in a future chapter there’s going to be a Pokémon-type minigame where you enlist members of the Castle Town to battle enemies
Ngl that would be sick
I was thinking a Megami Tensei-style fusion system myself! If items could be fused...why not Darkners? They're living items themselves. (Hopefully it won't make Amalgamates tho)
Okay, that is literally what’s going to happen. I can’t imagine Toby not implementing that into the game, ESPECIALLY after the Queen fight.
Megaman battle network 6.
The four lines of question marks could be the four moves they use
Susie's element is probably Rude, sinca her Rude Buster spell is described as dealing "Rude-elemental damage".
Keeping the same gag-logic Ralsei's element might simply be "Fluffy" since hcapter 1 frequently refers to him as such.
Ralsei’s could also be darkness as he the prince of darkness but probably it is going to be Fluffy.
Plus in Chapter 2 during the pacifist Spamton Neo fight, one of his Acts is called 'Fluffy Guard', so that nails it down even more.
The Dark element may be a bit too vague, since most Darkners should fit into that element.
@@R0-83-RT gaster would probably fit that one better.
It could be fluffy:dark
fun fact! alongside tasque and tasque manager, there is actually one more cat element character in the game's code! and, oddly enough, it's spamton
Chock
Well considering also Spamton hates Jevil I am guesing his elemen changes for what he hates or likes
Now i want Spamton catboy art
@@G00dTaste already exists, and it's great
@@selimyucel741 Cats hate Jevil for some reason. XD
Remember that jevil says "The queen RETURNS" which means she used to live with the king, jevil also used to be the court Jester, if tasque manager has served the queen for a long time then there's a big chance Jevil and Tasque Manager met in the past.
Tasque Manager would've turned into stone, though.
Maybe the computers were brought to the Old Classroom in the light form
@@jalenhumphry5297 bro the main dark fountain can host all darkners, ralsei says it himself
@@averagegenzguy2751 Ralsei's Dark Fountain is not the same as King's Dark fountain.
Even though they're close to each other, that doesn't mean they share same effects.
Seam also states that it was good to see the Queen "again". Therefore, Queen has visited the old classroom previously.
This likely happened before the dark fountains ever existed. Once a dark world is created, it acts and functions like it was always there previously.
If Jevil has an unused recruit text that shows his elements as Chaos:Chaos...
Wonder what Spamton's are?
Virus:Elec?
...Virus:Pipis???
Pipis
BIG:SHOT
@@arikeve387 if all the secret bosses had meme titles like CHAOS:CHAOS and BIG:SHOT it would be super funny
From what i’ve gathered on the wiki, all the elements are are associated with a number in the game’s code. Spamton’s number is 6, which is apparently cat?? Don’t ask me why, I’m just as confused too lol.
@@xenowrm8160 PFFFT
He's literally an alley cat, I guess?
I think what's also interesting about Tasque's dialogue is also the implication she seems somewhat aware of Jevil in the first place.
Like, how would she exactly know that those items are related to Chaos unless she specifically knew they were related to Jevil in some way.
It's just a small detail that could be interesting.
She may be able to sense disorder and chaos. I'm really just spitballing here though
There's a lot of... Curious things about Tasque Manager
Aside from the Jevil parallels - And there are more than just what is listed here, for example she frequently says 'Order, Order' if you fight her normally - she is voiced, she can change the shape of the battle square, she has special interaction with the manniquin, dealmaker, and frayed bowtie (They reduce her damage by a percent.)
Notably, that means both super-boss' items have a unique interaction with her. And, those other traits are mostly shared by end-bosses and super-bosses
So we might get a much harder rematch in a later chapter, or something
@@i010001 i thjnk the damage reduction is based of noise bullets though, correct me if i'm wrong, so it could be that her attacks simlly count as sound bullets
Can we just bring up something about Tasque Manager. An actual voice for enemies isn't something used frequently in the game, but it comes up for special ones. Namely the bonus bosses Jevil and Spamton... So why does Tasque Manager need one for her attack? It does help one remember what letter to go to for her attack, but it surely makes her stick out as a simple mini-boss.
I am unsure if she will be a bonus boss, but she feels like someone that needs to be researched more and how she could have more to her.
@@hiddenflare6169 so blind people can play the game duh
If we're thinking Ralsei and Susie are Order and Chaos, it's worth noting that Noelle can obtain a "Moss Neutral" title if you find the moss with her. It's description is 'Neither chaotic nor lawful to moss'
Both Noelle and Kris are more able to be led by the player than other players, which could be seen as neutral in a certain sense. Though, realistically, I don't know if this is the type of game that would really take any alignment stuff seriously.
Honestly, I think Toby would probably do something weird in chapter 4 that would throw everyone off. Toby has always kept secrets from us and Deltarune has to at least answer a handful of the questions we had from undertale.
Is that actually in the game or no?
@@bestaround3323 Yeah, Moss Neutral is definitely in the game.
"Moss Neutral" is probably a reference to the DnD morality alignment chart rather than the elemental typing the game attacks are given.
theres an unused item buried in the files, called the skymantle, its description being:
"a cape that shimmers[...] protects against elec and holy attacks"
so theres ANOTHER element, called holy
could that be used for the angel in the propechy? or will future chapters have holy creatures?
The name "angel's heaven" could also be just a name, so maybe it can't just be literally the element holy.
@@ofthefog3208 honestly that idea is awesome
There's gonna be a Dark Mantle in chapter 3..
@@SpaceLanceFTW the sky mantle is still unused, so the "dark mantle" could be in later chapters alongside the sky mantle. Also, maybe the "dark mantle" could be a "hell mantle" instead, considering the "holy" resistance for the sky mantle.
I think there was going to be holy enemies but toby decided it was too anticlimatic to put holy things in a DARK world
in a lot of modern RPGs with elements (especially mobil games) the protagonist character will have a special "null" element with no weakness or resistance, so i can imagine Kris having no element, using the logic that "humans don't have an element because they dont have inherit magic like monsters"
i wonder if elements will become an actual gameplay mechanic or if it's just a fun joke lore thing, there's an unused armor in the game that say it protects from elec and holy attacks, but as far as i know, no attacks in the game actually have an associated element so it could just be funny flavor text, like how different weapons and armors give you stats that don't do anything like "bad idea" or "fluffy UP"
Technically deal maker, frayed bowtie, and the mannequin reduce the damage you receive against tasque, tasque manager and spamton Neo attacks, so presumably that could be tied to elemental resistance
Humans have soul types and monsters have elements.
@@arkaring the tastiest and Spamton’s ATtacks use the bullet type 6 which is the cat one
@@Pikrioling which is the 1st instance of elemental protection.
@@tristarnova3454 you mean the first type? IDK maybe the "standard" type?
here's some of my assumptions:
Kris doesn't use any magic so their elemental is unknown but they can support his party members with the power of our soul to help them cast more difficult spells like Dual Heal and Red Buster.
*Susie is Rude elemental* because of her magic attack Rude Buster and it's description "Deals moderate Rude-elemental damage to one foe".
*Ralsei is Fluffy elemental* I decided (with some of the people's replies) that he's Fluffy elemental because of some saving texts "The power of fluffy boys shines within you." or his party menu descriptions "Fluffy Prince" or even the whole Hug Ralsei thing recurring throughout the game. (Nothing wrong with a little fluffiness in your life.) He even can cast FluffyGuard during Spamton NEO fight.
*Noelle is Ice elemental* because her every spell uses ice or snow in some way or another. In addition Noelle also may be holy elemental because she can use Healing Prayer, also some Addisons (and Spamton sometimes) call her Angel.
*Berdly is Wind elemental* because of his tornado attacks.
feel free to correct me
Maybe ralsei is a holy elemental? It's an element that's mentioned in an unused item.
Since everyone refers to noelle as angel, maybe she's ice:holy?
> feel free to correct me
Kris uses they/them pronouns
Ralsei is fluffy element. Kris is determination element
@@alexxstewart96 If you're laughing at my correction, keep in mind this is a conscious choice Toby made when making Kris, and he himself has corrected even Fangamer hosts on Kris' pronouns.
To be a fan of Undertale/Deltarune and not understand that being a jerk to those who are different than yourself is a shitty thing... truly really embarrassing for you.
all genders are made up, you get it! you almost got it!
Ah yes, the True Periodic Table.
deltarune table
deltatable
@@nightfall_9411 debatable
My favorite element is cat
To think Toby did an Electric/Fighting type monster before Pokémon
Plugboy > Werewire > Werewerewire would work well as a 3 stage evolutionary line
Friendly reminder that the game code basically confirms spamton as cat type
The sight of a bunch of people who aren't me reminding people that Spamton is Cat Type... it fills me with Determination!
He’s a cat boy
Is Spamton's element cat, or it's just something going on with his items that let you protect from Tasque's and TM's bullets?
Spamton also dislikes clowns, it's mentioned by werewire in cyber world, and by Spamton himself when in shop he says he will soon surpass [clown around town]
I always thought (based upon his character) that he was Chaos:Virus
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I think it's very simple. The element listed is the type of damage that their bullets do in battle. Multiple types means that bullets from different attack patterns have different qualities. Certain armors, such as the Dealmaker, reduce damage from those bullets.
So what your saying is attacks by darkners don't actually have a link to their element? It's actually an indicator if what a character is using during a battle can reduce the damage of a bullet hitting them?
So for Example: The skymantle (if it ever gets added) will make bullets done by darkners who have the holy and/or electric element do less damage, but those bullets don't actually look "electric" or "holy".
Hope you don't mind me asking. I'm working on a fanmade Deltarune tabletop rpg, and I've been scratching my head recently on how darkner magic would work when considering the elements.
I think berdly may be wind?
Because bird and also he uses tornadoes
The element thing is really intresting
I personally like to think that if lighters also have them they'd have light as an element
Berdly's element is obviously Gamer
Gamer:Wind:Nerd
Personal theory: Darkners have no "soul" as they're just inanimate objects. Instead they have elements that embody the culmination of their being.
They are made if object infused whit determination for me. Because the dark world is created whit determination
Plus, there's the unused sky mantle, which has resistance to holy or elec. Maybe noelle could have resistance to elec by default in the future.
It would be really interesting how this mantle will play off of the shadow mantle Seam mentions to us.
It seems like Electric and Holy are the same element. The Sky Mantle is coded to increase your defense against "element 1." in the game's code. Which surprised me because I assumed it would be coded to defend against two things like the text implies. (I did a video on that actually czcams.com/video/GGKtlEdEBRM/video.html )
Kris - moss
Susie - rude
Ralsei - fluffy
Berdly - bird
Noelle - ice
And chapter 3 speculations
Toriel - fire|fluffy
Undye - fish
Chapter 3 is not tv world as Toby isn't so straightforward. It must be the police office. Undyne probably just said she couldn't investigate as she needs to catch the dogs and that it is a small crime and that Tori must just visit a mechanic. But susie has changed which probably means that she will go visit the police office along with Kris on her own but no one is in. Suddenly she notices that the lock up has curtains blocking it. She opens it and jumps into a police themed dark world with Kris. It makes sense as spamton said Mike is a criminal. So the next people would probably be napstablook and undyne who just caught the dogs and went back in the office to put them in the lock up but suddenly fell in. The dogs escaped. Undyne would have the element water and napstablook would have spookiness.
Tasque manager's design is so good
your mom's design is better.
I can imagine special bosses like Jevil possibly being brought in at one point to the town, as it is likely something to be used to later chapters.
As for these elements I wouldn't be surprised if you get some sort of armor or weapon that protects against these elements or harms them respectively. It's also possible you can have them go against each other in your town, not saying it has to be a fight as it can be a chess game for all we know!....
I now really want to see Jevil and Tasque Manager interact with one another XD. It seems like it wouldn't be the most friendly interaction, yet it surely would be entertaining XD.
There are two items that protect against enemies of the "cat" element
@@PuddleOfCats what are they?
Fun fact: Spamton's element is cat
this is just a snipit into how dedicated toby is to his games, and how much detail and care he puts into his works
I found one comment that said Tasque manager is the opposite of Jevil because
She is skinny while Jevil is round, and She likes order, while Jevil likes chaos
She is a cat, Jevil is a demon.
@@jalenhumphry5297 dunno bout that one
Spamton's element in files is apparently cat
I love the fact that mauswheel is Mouse:Mouse:Mouse type.
If Fun Gang members have Elements, I predict that Kris is Blade, Ralsei is Goat/Order, and Susie is Rude/Chaos
Berdly - wind. He threw tornados at battle
Ah yes, the deltarune type triangle
Order beats Chaos
Chaos beats Fight
Fight beats Order
Quite interesting that the Ponman (PAWNS in chess) are order... The other thing with order and chaos seem to be control. Pawns are controlled in chess; the word is often a synonym with minion or underling, too. And the Tasque manager MANAGES (controls) the Tasques... Then there's poor Spamton, who was apparently controlled by someone else. Major theme here, and the elements are just additional support for it. A nice overview!
Berdly: Loves games, hates wavedashing
Element:Bird:Gamer: -nerd-
Plot twist: Toby wants to make a Trading Card Game so he can make a 3rd videogame for us to enjoy
this is really cool,
I hadn't noticed it on my first run on chapter 2
I used to post similar things about each character representing certain elements and traits, but never got any recognition, I’m so glad someone had a similar idea and got the word out!
I think the elements are mostly flavor text (as literally the only context in which anything is programmed to be affected by “elements” at all is the gear that reduces damage from CAT element attacks, which is also Spamton’s element). But there’s obviously no ruling out lore implications, and they are absolutely worth looking into, especially those for major enemies such as Jevil. Order and Chaos as opposing elemental forces is pretty great and I wouldn’t be surprised to see more stuff come out of this mechanic in the future.
I imagine these elements might become relevant in future chapters. perhaps at some point there'll be some kind of minigame where you'll get to make use of recruited enemies, or/and there could maybe be equipment that's weak or strong against certain elements.
Birdly would be wind element as he hits people's faces with tornados
I find it funny how Toby had and Elctric Fighting type
*And after 22+ years Pokemon still doesn't*
Chaos! Chaos!
No! Order!
If you press c and go to the power tab, under susie is her Rude Buster move where she uses "moderate rude-elemental damage"
What i think: you should upload more videos with your voice bc it sounds good.
What I think: complete agreement.
Gives me Megami Ibunroku Persona vibes, or Persona Revelations.
In fact, Noelle's Spells remind me of how the Persona 1 translators dealt with the Spell names, turning agi to fire and maragidyne into inferno, along with the other families of Spells, though the order and chaos elements are definitely based off Shin Megami Tensei, since the idea of talking to monsters came from the Shin Megami Tensei series demon negotiation. Though there is probably a bit of Pokèmon in there as well.
This is very interesting. I wonder if the amount of strength you receive from doing snowgrave route will become a major factor when it comes to fights in relation to elements. Like Kris being lv 3 but due to the fact that their so strong, another element makes them more vulnerable based on enemies killed or something like that. Anyways, thanks for the video
0:59 i first read "colorful and daddy"
Pretty good video, and yeah, you're probably the first person I've seen actually discuss this. But bro, please slow down the frame transitions for the text blocks there's like 3 lines of we have to read in like, a second and a half or smth.
spamton element:
BIG:SHOT
If so, it would be funny that there were enemies with element BIG and other SHOT. I wonder if SHOT element would have to do with the yellow soul. I wonder what would be the element of the six children or any character from Undertale.
sans
sa:ns
Berdly has a lot of "air" based attacks too. so maybe ist just air
OK, So!
Susie would be Chaos:Rude
Ralsei would be Order:Fluffy
Kris would be Blade:Gamer
Noelle would be Wind:Snow
and Berdly would be Wind:Gamer
ralsei: Element Order: Loyalty
susie: Element Chaos: Loyalty
Kris: SOUL: SOUL
noelle: Element Ice: Order
I like how MausWheel’s type is just Mouse three times in a row.
Pretty sure Ralsei’s element is fluffy:boys and Suzy’s is mean:girls
I like how cat is it’s own element. Like, just CAT, and it’s only used twice.
Actually it's used thrice. : P Can you guess the third? czcams.com/video/2_BEUJAnT9U/video.html
love how the mause wheel is mouse:mouse:mouse as its elements
I love how mauswheel has "mouse:mouse:mouse"
Birdly's element would clearly be epic:gamer
Spa Morton is cat because in his neo fight he has strings so presumably the cat element also relates to string and other cat related things not just the character being a cat
I think Berdly's element would either be: "Gaming" or "Smart"
Because of his attacks, weapon and species, I think Berdly has "Flying" and Blade elements.
Maybe wind?
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
Yeah, but referencing Pokémon.
The circle looks like one of those clickbait circles lol
I wonder if tasque manager changes their element to chaos if you instead pacify jevil
I'll check
I guess the TM still remains as "Order" since she dislikes clowns. Sparing or kicking Jevil's ass makes no difference.
@@berrydelightdiwizin i see
Can also confirm. I pacified Jevil, and she's still order.
That pfp is bae :o
. Tasque Manager VS Jevil
*Order* VS CHAOS
Spamton Kromer : Kromer
Spamton NEO Kromer : NEO
Oh no its pokemon all over again
Spamton has cat
Mouse:mouse:mouse. That's the best one
Queen:
Potassium:Computer
i think kris may be dog type: there have been many allusions to kris being dog-like in chapter 2
Him: Does that make Kris "Blade" element...
Me: I like your little words magic man
berdly could very well be Fight-type. also, cat and mouse are probably opposing types.
I was thinking about putting recruits with the same element in the Cafe to see what will happen
I think Susie is supposed to be Rude Element, considering her Rude Buster attack is Rude Elemental.
It all makes sense! Ice is super effective on flying type, and since berdley is a gamer hes also bird bc of missigno!
O_o seeing someone else draw that connection right as I post this is unsettling czcams.com/video/GGKtlEdEBRM/video.html
@@HalfBreadChaos Does anyone actually fall for these at this point?
Is there still living humans on earth that aren't keenly aware that rickrolls are a thing and make up 99% of all CZcams links?
@@An_Entire_Lime the funniest part about your reply is that the link isn’t even a Rick roll lmao
That's just sound like pokemon types with extra steps
I think pon man would like tasque manager
very interesting and cool theory, and I hope it's true cause elements in almost anything seems cool to me
Yo I didn't even know about that, the elements sound cool.
This might be important in the next chapters, maybe certain enemies will be weak from a party members element attack
Especially we have a chance that we can have Toriel as our party member while Undyne being.. against us...
Yeah..
Spamton
The revolutionary, who lives in the dumpster. Giving you special offer for kromer.
Like: fried pipis, kromer, garbage.
Hate: the knight, wires.
Type: chaos;virus;order
People have been mentioning in this comment section for a while now, but apparently it's cat? Don't ask me I don't know why either.
Noelle is confirmed by Ralsei to be Ice
Susie’s magic is referred to as dealing “Rude damage” and “Red damage” respectively
Kris is likely blade
If you check Susie’s power menu before she becomes a healing master, it says something like « Dark Knight. Deals damage using dark energy. » so maybe Susie’s element is Dark or Darkness?
I think berdly would be wind element tbh, judging from his attacks. (And considering birds yk,, fly)
Me with an organized mess
Imagine like a Pokémon-esque card game lol
Kris's element is pie
Spamton's element is probably Kromer
So, according to the game's code, Spamton's element is......cat.
Make of that what you will.
Why is mausewheel type mouse:mouse:mouse
because there are 3 of them (if memory serves).
@@renewagain6956 I know but they couldve just said "Element: mouse
@Smuggles I know im not dumb
@@shayaantosemito8312 Then why the hell are you asking if you know already. Asking questions whose answers you already know sounds pretty fkg dumb to me.
Because funny
Lancer: element kid
Berdly is Gamer element xD
mouse:mouse:mouse
I think that Noelle would be Ice:Reindeer, or just Ice:Deer
This is very intresting
Interesting
I think ist interesting, that rabbick is element dust, because as far as I know darkners do turn into dust once they die, does that mean, that rabbick likes to be near places where a lot of darkners die?
Neat!
Bergandy would be Tech element