Proof that Deltarune IS NOT CONNECTED To Skies Forever Blue | December Holiday Theory Debunking
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- Recently a certain music video named “Skies Forever Blue” was released by Toby Fox. Videos by prominent Deltarune theorists have analyzed the song in every way, and most theorists tend to believe that the Skies Forever Blue music video is hinting at what happened with December Holiday. Despite popular theories, I do NOT think that the song has anything to do with Deltarune, and today I've compiled evidence as to why I think this.
#deltarune #deltarunechapter2 #undertale - Hry
THIS. I feel bad for the people that worked on it only for it to be boiled down to "Deltarune Lore".
I don't think it's that big a deal, of course everybody has noticed that it's a very cool work of art.
@@DarkMarxSoul Sure, but the one who did the vocals and the channel the music video is uploaded on, Itoki Hana, is rarely if ever talked about.
@@rakha8812 people are still checking his works tho and more are joining in cause of the possibility of it being tied to deltarune
@@Mcool0217 *her
The whole project was directed by Toby Fox, even if more people worked on it. And it clearly has a lot of things connecting it to Deltarune. I absolutely love Skies Forever Blue as its own thing but the fact that it's connected to Deltarune makes it even better for me and doesn't take anything away from it.
I think Toby and other indie creators just really wanted to mash up their individual creative talents into one music video, putting in reference of what they enjoy in media/ worked on.
Yup. Everyone trying to psychoanalyze something when even Freud himself said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". If Freud isn't your bag, then see "Occam's Razor"
@@denkoumasato My guys "Noelle being nostalgic about something has no connection with her sister Dess that we know of" isn't just flawed logic it's straight up wrong.
Toby: works on any form of media
Fans: write that down write that down
part of me wonders he knows his fans would do that so he put in some secrets for a bit of trolling
omori x undetaale ElelE 😱
WOODY THEORY LETS GO
Wood
I definitely agree about the “lost in the code” part, her being literally trapped inside the game’s code is way too on the nose, I think if she is the unused voice she’s just lost somewhere outside of where we can access in-game, so her dialogue isn’t visible except by looking into the code.
Perhaps you can find her in a certain part of the game and understand what happened to her
I really like the theory that she’s in a dark world
There’s a lot of areas we can’t access that could have dark worlds
Or even the sus bunker
@@totallynotjevii574 maybe even a dark world inside of a dark world
@@hechgood8022 "Darkness within Darkness awaits you Dess."
@@CheesyLizzy maybe that's what darker yet darker means
I don't think Skies Forever Blue is a one to one allegory for anything in Deltarune. The first part of the theory that stood out to me as wonky wasn't anything of what you said actually, it was the idea that there was a player who interacted with Dess, which, isn't possible, because we're the player. And if the argument is that her character motivation is unrelated to the Dess teasing, then what WAS the Dess teasing? JUST the one scene? Then I watch your video and I'm further convinced.
However, I do think the song will end up related to Deltarune, just not so directly. This song has Toby written all over it as far as the concept goes. Toby is fascinated by the way basic game mechanics or code can interact with a character, and that comes full force here. I bet part of the inspiration to make it was that he had an idea for a character or moment that didn't fit in Deltarune, so he put it in this song. I think Skies Forever Blue and Deltarune will be separate but related in the concepts they explore, and it'll be fun to look back at how those concepts compare later.
I definitely agree with you. If you want to somehow connect Dess to the song, I don't think you can pick and choose which scenes are parallel-ing Dess, it's either all or nothing. And, the idea that Dess is in love with a "player" or someone beyond her world is kind of... crazy?? Yes, I also think that, at the end of the day, Toby's fascination with game mechanics shines through in this song, and surely once Deltarune is completed we'll be able to go back and say "Oh wow! That's similar to something in Skies Forever Blue!". However, I do not think the song was made to tease anything specific about Deltarune. Thanks for watching!
@@spookydood5500 I've definitely seen the concept of a game character falling in love with the real world player be done well before. If ya know ya know. But that game wasn't necessarily Toby's style, I wouldn't expect to see that in Deltarune.
@@spookydood5500 I’m currently in the “It probably isn’t Dess lore but I think it’s Dragon Blazers” territory. I dunno, I feel like Toby would’ve said something by now if it was completely unrelated.
@@personexisting123 he seems to be bothered by people that want too desperately to grasp on mysteries before they are presented in the game, but he has never being frontal about any of the theories or suggestions of the fandom. So, for me even if it is unrelated is not a surprise that he doesn’t say anything. In an interview he said that he know this could harm the impact of the story but that is inevitable.
The only cases when he speaks are when other people try to impersonate him, and is obvious why. But in the case of theories, he knows that even if he feels annoyed by some of those people he know is inevitable and that people really can guess and suggest what they think about any piece of media.
@@spookydood5500 We aren't the only ones who end up with the ability to save/reload, or even with a save/ reload screen (flowey, kris) The player in skies forever blue doesn't have to = you. neither does the one in undertale but thats a different argument
HMM. So YOU'RE the debunker I've heard about in my comments section. xD
People just don't realise how much an example Toby is of the Big In Japan/Germans Love David Hasselhoff trope. He's networked HEAVILY in Japan and has met and collabed with so many people from there.
It's like how Scatman John is massive in Japan. We love him here in the west for a couple songs, sure. But he is a phenomenon in Japan.
After thinking about the theories a lot, and after watch the video a couple more times, what I think is that Toby is very excited at experimenting with the themes of “reality in video games”. After all, both Undertale and Deltarune are very rooted on those themes. And that music video just is a further addition to the exploration of those ideas.
The similarities between the ribbons and the Star could be just references to UT and DR similar to the black void that could be a reference or wink to both Black Space and the Dark World. Toby loves to put references of other games in almost everything, in DR he puts lots of references of old RPGs, Mario, The Mother Saga and so on. I think is kind of weird that after the Sweepstakes other project with those intentions is released so soon, and also, lots of unrelated people participated on it. So yeah, those similarities are more that their own video games inspirated the video itself with a new form and story.
Some people say that the game seems to be dragon blazers, but the game that is referenced in DR seems to have multiple party members even Susie mentioned something about a cursed sister and a mage that leaves the party. And in that game is only a couple of people in the whole game.
However, some parts of the theories that were born because of that video are interesting, like the part of the bracelet or Dess being trapped inside other part of the darkworld.
But even though this gave people ideas about DR I don’t think that is an intentional hint to something. People are just desperately curious.
yes i think peopl are just desperate for new conent and lore
actually the defenders of the theory suggested from the start that this is dragon blazers 1 (since it's in a gameboy) instead of dragon blazers 2 which could potentially explain the lack of multiple party members (or well idk if the girl counts)
I kinda wonder if Toby Fox is worried that any of his future projects will be forever associated with "Is this connected to Undertale/Deltarune???"
Kinda interesting since Undertale was very inspired another game called OFF, and the same thing happens when the creator of that game, Mortis Ghost makes something that's not related to OFF
I feel king of sad for Toby Fox. Imagine how it feels making something and then for the rest of the life people try to connect everything you do to that one thing.
All artists take a risk with what they make with that. If you make anything and you're not prepared you might be known as "The thing guy" for your entire life you shouldn't make it
I don't think it has to be diegetically connected, but it's definitely thematically connected. The girl falling in love with the player and only being able to interact with him _through_ his player character, and thus the implication that the player and his character two different and separate persons, mirror themes in Kris' arc and in how we take possession of them very closely. The problem here seems to be the fallacious diegetic literalism. If you wanted to draw a literal parallel on the diegetic level, you'd have to say that the boy is Kris and the girl is... any character in Deltarune who ends up falling in love with the player. Which is no one, because the only characters even aware of the player are Kris and Ralsei, and both don't fit this role. This just shows that taking thematic parallels and trying to map them onto diegetic connections and then draw conclusions from that for the diegesis is a fundamentally flawed approach. It's close to magical thinking, really. Then again, the Undertale-Deltarune fandom is full of that anyway.
A lot of people think Ralsei is in love with the player
Why do you think Ralsei is in love with the player? He is like that with everyone
I think it is Ralsei. He is shown blushing when near Kris's heart, and during the tunnel of Love scene, he turns to the player (us) when we are flirty/nice to him, but turns away from both kris and the player when we are directly not nice to him about him opening up to us. Also the whole tea thing.
You forgot to mention the most direct reference to deltarune at 2:21 where whatever is failing away from her is identical to the save point in deltarune,
Why is this I thought, she shouldn't be the one saving because she's just a character, so this is what I believe is the real parallel to dess, we've seen other characters like flowey lose their save files when someone stronger shows up.
You're completely right about dess not falling into the code, what she probably actually fell into was a dark World within a dark World. Phases like "dark darker yet darker" "a darker, darker dream" and "but what if could get.. Darker than dark?" Keep cropping up, and berdly nearly did create a dark world within a dark world.
Speaking of her falling into the "code" why is it that there are 2 creepy floweyish faces in there? I get that falling into an abyss is creepy, but there shouldn't be nightmare monsters there, there has to be more to this video.
I think your point about the news letter proves the opposite, toby has been VERY pushy about Skies forever blue, even indirectly mentioning it on specifically his UT/DR newsletter. Why not just call it a toby fox newsletter? Toby is a well known and loved artist, there's nothing weird about him having a newsletter about himself.
And he made a whole website for this one song that is ARGish and just so happens to be made not long after a whole spamton ARG largely about dess?
Now it doesn't just have to be related to deltarune... It could also be related
To omori.
(Spoilers for omori from here on out)
Sunny is specifically shown to have a game boy at one point, and the game this video is on is a game boy, there's one bit that is IDENTICAL to sweetheart's castle, everything in headspace is based around games or toys or others things sunny has seen from the real world.
Now the person who's actually playing this game is probably hero. (First there's fact that this is some nameless hero character) at one point in the video it's said that the player named the girl after his IRL lover, and personally I don't find "I can't have this girl IRL so I projected her onto some character I can do whatever I want with" to be very interesting, but what would be very messed up is if this girl is dead.
Mari is dead. Mari and hero would have been the happiest most perfect match, but she was taken by fate. So hero coping put her name onto this perfect girl he can be together forever with, resetting and playing again over and over.
(Some people have said the boy and girl resemble hero and Mari but I think that's just because that's how omocat draws characters)
This is the only other explanation I can see for the creepy faces. In omori trauma manifests into creepy faces like that all the time.
This music video wasn't created for either of these games, but toby fox and Omocat snuck little lore nuggets in there for people, but deltarune's is more impactful because, as far as I can tell omori is over.
To wrap it all up there's a cloud shaped the like dess guitar on the website so toby definitely knew what he was doing.
I stayed up to 2 in the morning writing this comment. I'm so pissed it's not getting noticed.
@@TheRealSuperKirby 😔it's a good comment
@@TheRealSuperKirbyI’m here about a year later to tell you:
That was a good comment and a good read. I hope you have a good day.
I know it's your opinion and that's absolutely fine if you don't think it means anything, but I just wanted to light-heartedly point out how your main points of the video are "Well, it could be anything so it's probably not related"
Feels less like evidence and more like you saying "nah I don't think so"
About the ribbons, I think you took that a little too literally. If this song has anything to do with Deltarune it's obviously very symbolic, since I doubt Dess would be in love with the player, that'd be a weird place to take her character.
The way I see it, having the ribbons change from white to pink was a weirdly specific choice, and there just happens to be a White Ribbon and a Pink Ribbon in Deltarune. That, along with the fact the Girl's ribbons fall out of her head while she's falling, seems like a lot of coincidences at once. They're small when you look at em individually, but it's strange that there's so many of those coincidences.
About the ice, while it's a bit more of a stretch than the other points, again, could be just symbolic. Might not be actual ice but it does resemble it in a way, and could just be a composition trick in order to foreshadow it. Again tho, this one is a stretch.
About the third point, again, I think you're looking at it in a very literal way.
Dess doesn't necessarily have to fall in "the code", she can be in any sort of dark limbo-esque place, and Toby just put her lines in the code to show how deeply lost she is. Not everything has to be literal, especially when it's meta like this.
Saving and loading are actual abilities in-game, so why wouldn't "the code" just be some sort of dark void outside of the timeline or something like that?
About dragons being generic RPG enemies, yes, but like
come on
seems like a weirdly specific choice. It's a stretch when you look at it as an isolated thing, but along with ALL the other coincidences, it piles up and it starts to feel like it's intentional.
Specially if you consider Noelle/Dess's theme is literally called "Lost Girl"
AAAND that in the website you can see the Girl standing in darkness, looking over to the world of her game while the hero is still there.
I see your point but I physically can't ignore all of this and just go "nah, could be anything really"
Again, it's your opinion so it's fine, I just don't think anything you said was really *evidence*. None of this CAN be evidence unless it was more concrete. It's like trying to disprove a theory with another theory that has even less support.
As a Deltarune fan, It is my personal opinion that Toby just wanted to work on something else than just Deltarune for once.
I mean, haven’t you ever taken a break from doing something to work on something else not related to that?
Also, Seek, I wasn’t expecting to see you here. Big fan of your work. 👍
Thanks for this, I'm in the same boat. Like... Can't Toby just make something and not be part of some weird conspiracy? He's been flexing his musical skills, with gigs from Nintendo and other groups, for months and years.
Dunno, there arejust to many similar concepts, i literally just want to see the girl as a secret boss, i mean, self aware, abondoment, freedom motif, overpower(lv 99), and interesting potencial interactions with the player, + i really want to see how she would affect the relationship between kris and us. She is just such a amazing character that i want to see more from.
Toby hid Gaster in Undertale in a very cryptic manner with very little direct evidence of his existence beyond some subtle hints and very unlikely chance events (FUN values).
Can you really blame people for speculating? He has a history of hiding dark lore behind a cutesy facade.
@@infinityzeros3245 see? Thats the exact problem. I'm not attacking you and i think thats actually a pretty good idea. But the problem is that when toby fox releases anything, people instantly try to find every possible connection to deltarune and undertale even if its not intentional. I'm really afraid that toby will have a lot of pressure from that and think that his future projects can never be disconnected from undertale/deltarune. This is not theorizing, this is obsession. Again not attacking you, sorry if I sound harsh lol
@@Theking-vx6zp i mean he launched on deltarune aniversary an there are many interluted themes, toby knows the fandom, he knows de look at ever single detail therefor he would not release on the aniversary or cleary tell us there is no connection.
AND I mean no one said the pokemon songs he made had to do with DT and UT because
1- it was a projected not scripted or controled by toby
2- it had no interluding concept
3- it was not release on a aniversary of his games.
Toby would tell us if he didnt want conections, and he wouldnt release it in the aniversary if he didnt want or disliked conections between this project and deltarune, HE KNOWS THE FANDOM.
I however agree many draw connections where there arent any, but those are mainly confirmation bias. This really isnt.
@@infinityzeros3245 it really doesn't have similar themes though. Aside from resetting.
I agree with this, and I don't think the main issue with the skies forever blue theories is the actual theories themselves and the lack of evidence to support them, but instead that it's so dismissive of the work that toby and everyone else put into skies forever blue. They all worked hard to make a unique song, animation, and story, and yet everyone overlooks that and can't appreciate it for what it is, but instead try to figure out how it *somehow might* be related to deltarune. I get that these games and toby have created such a wild depth to their secrets and do get really meta sometimes, but this just feels disrespectful to toby's other work, as if he's not allowed to make something that isn't related to undertale or deltarune. Even if it did contain some sort of connection to those games, we'd have no way of knowing at this point, and the primary focus of skies forever blue will always be the song and the story it tells, NOT deltarune.
Kinda reminds me of how sakurai at a point had to stop ever publicly talking about video games he's been playing or enjoyed, because so many people take something as stupid and unrelated as that as confirmation for that series being added to smash bros. It's sad, I hope this doesn't happen again to this extent when toby inevitably comes out with another song or original work, but knowing how far people go with theories in this community, it probably will...
fans are just unbearably impatient. they are so despreate for new content they create wild ideas that arent even connected. i personally adored S.F.B because it felt like a love letter to both omoris artstyle and the classic mother series (i know omocat worked on the animation so the art style isnt that surpriseing but still it was very unique and charming) plus the chiptune and gentle melody work SO well to make the song unbelievebly memorable
in general it was an absolute treat that really deserves to stand out. it doesnt need to be disected. just apreatiate the passion that went into it and call it a day!
I originally believed Skies Forever Blue was its own self contained video. And I would still like to believe that. Toby has a thing for exploring the relationship between player and game and that can be beyond the Deltarune canon. But he's also notorious for slipping details and references under people's noses. There are a lot of subtle parts of the video that parallel to Deltarune, just not explicitly. Mainly in imagery. I truthfully don't think we can know for sure. I mean he goes around also saying that Deltarune only has one ending, only to start putting severe and dramatic deviations of story into the game. He clearly enjoys a good 'gotcha' moment and I wouldn't put it below him to have at least some ties. He is a reference machine. And with that I think the community that's both obsessed and starved of Deltarune content would feel justified in digging for something. Personally I don't think we can be certain one way or the other until the cards are down.
5:28 It's not just the player walking away, the game's internal battery has run out, corrupting the game/save and preventing her from ever seeing the player again, or ever having her game played by _anyone_ again.
I think the biggest issue with this video and with what the comments are saying, is that if Toby was truly bothered by the theorizing of his works outside of deltarune, then would’ve come out and said so, and that Skies forever blue wasn’t connected to deltarune. He’s done this before too like with the Spamton value network. So no reason for it to not be done here
yeah because spamton value network is directly connected, and part of an event with canon lore. it would make sense for him to add the disclaimer so people dont go into it looking for lore or using it in theories. but anyone with common sense would understand it's completely unrelated.
well i disagree with that. Toby isn't exactly known for woofing out all his opinions onto social media. he might be annoyed but he's not going to bark about it out loud cause it might seem unprofessional.
@@redactedinfo8557tbf he did get angry at GTLive for the name of their playthrough of Heartbound (Undertale inspired game), not mentioning the title of the game and just Undertale and also not linking it in the description
@@DJSlimeballAnd now it happened again with Sebastian Wolf
I think that to prevent situations like this Toby should be more transparent. If you're making a song that seems kinda related to Deltarune, on it's aniversary, people are going to asume there's some hidden lore there. So Toby should state, clearly and in simple terms: DON'T LOOK INTO THIS. He already did it with that one spamton sweepstakes video, so why not here? Why is this man so averse to clarifications?
Skies Forever Blue's a fucking banger. It's so fucking sick, and I love it.
It's not deltarune lore. It's just a really fucking cool collaboration, and it's own really nice little story.
Not everything Toby Fox touches and makes as to be related to Undertale or Deltarune.
"It's not uncommon for games to have 3 save files"
"Most games will have a dragon boss"
Deltarune/Undertale fans discover that other video games exist
I'm surprised nobody has done a theory based on Toby's contributions to Pokémon yet.
Yeah, since the fandom seems to think that
*Toby created it = It must be a hint about future deltarune chapters*
By their logic the next chapters would include pokemon battles, getting attacked by a fake princess at the top of a castle (74) and houshou marine being stuck in a treasure chest begging for you to let her out in the lewdest possible way (i'm your treasure box, toby is credited under the pseudonim "U.Z.inu").
@@Emmariscobar literally no one is saying that just cuz Toby created , it has to be deltarune related. Like literally no one. Actually I’m pretty sure that skies forever blue is one of the only outside works Toby has ever done that people speculate might be related to deltarune.
Well, It's because people already found that some pokemon themes from Toby have lemotif from his homestuck songs, sooo, there is nothing left for deltarune fans lol
@@Emmariscobar Toby Fox has something to do with Marine??????
@King Fishy III It's an exaggeration, of course no said that. The issue people are having is that this was a collaboration between the devs of Undertale and Omori. The song included references to other rpgs and their own games, and as I mentioned *REFERENCES*. The song shouldn't be put under a microscope because Toby hasn't given any hint that this game has Deltarune info whatsoever.
I'm no expert on the matter. But I remember seeing someone mention how in the very last section of the song, the Japanese subtitles are the same as when the mystery person speaks at the beginning of Deltarune (in Japanese of course).
Oh that's interesting. I'll have to check that out
i'll be honest, i clicked this video expecting to get angry. "but what about this and this!" i thought.
then while watching, i was like "yeah true, yeah he's right there, yeah that was pretty dumb, yeah i thought that too"
something you didn't touch on was that when she's falling, her ribbon comes out of her hair and falls out looking like a star, just like darkners do when kris jumps into the dark world while holding their real life counterparts. this, as well as the fact that the bow sorta resembles the twin bow, were the only things i thought tied the song to deltarune.
but because you said "i do think that theres an element to SFB that may be hinting at future DR events", and my above observations which can coexist with your statement, i think i 99% agree with your video. the girls bow may not be the twin bow, but i dont think its impossible that it's a slight hint that a bow Dess or Noelle owned might become important in a later chapter.
also, i make sure (and i want other people) to remember that the song isn't strictly about DR and it IS its own thing that multiple people worked on and should be appreciated as its own concept and work of art
addendum: i don't think its bad for people to theorize as long as they keep in mind that last bit i mentioned
i'm still angry. but they do have a point
@aug Why're you mad?
Thank you for doing this video! I remember seeing this theory on a video of HalfBreadChaos and thinking "wait why did you assume it's dragon blazers, you didn't present any evidence to suggest that"
I mean... maybe, I guess? It's by no means impossible, but with the dragon boss especially, I feel like people are forgetting that dragons are, y'know, *really* common in fantasy RPGs. Hell, one of the oldest and most famous RPGs of all time is literally called "Dungeons and *Dragons.* "
They're a staple of the genre, and that's what really makes me hesitant about this: most of the "connections" to deltarune people have cited are fairly common elements in the kind of games the one in the video is based on. Looking at their respective games, Toby Fox and Omocat clearly *both* have a lot of nostalgia for that era, and it spills over into the music video.
So yeah, I just think people are kinda jumping to conclusions on this one.
Well for one thing, the boy character looks a lot like Erdrick, the protagonist of Dragon Quest III. He's got the same kinda spiky hair with a headband look going on.
Moreover, Dragon Blazers is most likely meant to be a parallel in DR's world to Dragon Quest in the same way that "Super Smashing Fighters" is a cheeky way of saying "Super Smash Brothers".
The general aesthetic of the music video is also "old school RPG", and Dragon Quest is THE oldschool RPG... in Japan, at least.
All this to say, drawing a Dragon Blazers connection to SFB is not something coming out of left field, especially if you know at least a modest amount about Dragon Quest.
@@chippotato5647 They characters are OMORI references. The music video was a collab between OMOCAT and Toby and includes references to both of their works. The characters in the music video look nearly identical to Mari and Hero. With that in mind the "Falling into the code" scene could also be read as a BLACKSPACE reference, but honestly It's a 50/50 chance in my eyes as to what game it's referencing (assuming it's even referencing anything in the first place).
Rushed video was rushed. I upload every 2 weeks on Friday, and that video came out on the Monday of that week's video.
This means I had to write the script, TTS it, and edit the entire video in 4 days. If I could go back in time and re-write it with the knowledge I have now, I'm sure I could do better. I could discuss the device the game is played on for example, or elaborate on the UNUSED code thing. But sticking to a schedule allows me to do this for a living, so I took the l, so to speak.
And alas. Once a video exists, it cannot be altered. Guess I gotta learn to live with it.
@@HalfBreadChaos
2 minutes ago.
That’s something.
How do you feel about this whole thing? Should I Cat “Skies Forever Blue Redux,” or do you even have enough to elaborate on?
i have yet to look at skies forever blue in an analytical light because i can't watch it without crying
finally someone says this, ive been thinking this since it released, and people are so insistent that everything toby does is related to deltarune and or an undertale related project.
havent even gotten to watch it yet but I see the notification and THANK YOU OMG.
Honestly, I really like that your takes on these theories are so often contrary to the popular perspective, it's always good to consider things from every angle.
Oh yeah I wasted three hours of my life watching theories from this music for nothing
One more thing to point out: there is a verse of Sky Forever Blue that goes "When you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knew". The protagonist in Skies Forever Blue is not only (likely) a party member, but also more specifically a character whom the player has the ability of naming. Not that this shuts down every single connection between the song and Deltarune, but it at least shows that there is not a direct correspondence between the pink girl and Dess.
I'm pretty neutral towards the idea of Skies Forever Blue being connected to Deltarune, but I agree with you that taking anything Toby and many other people made and turning into a Deltarune theory generator is pretty disheartening. I think it's possible for Skies Forever Blue to shed some light on Deltarune, considering both of them deal with similar themes, but I also think it's at least more respectful, and probably more sensible, to recognize its merits as its own creation before that.
nah, dess is the girl from skies forever blue and sans is ness from the eartbound halloween hack, it's canon and you have no say in this
i agree with most of this video, but there is still one compelling argument i cant get over. if the timeline was reset, so the girl really DIDNT fall into "the code", then where does the ribbon go? as the girl is falling, the ribbon flies off her head. during the player's final playthrough of the game, which occurred right after the girl fell, the ribbon is gone. just gone, no trace of it anywhere.
one theory i saw which connects the girl's ribbon to the twin ribbon is that the girl's ribbon was sent to a dark world and split into the white and pink ribbons. (because when the ribbon flies off the girl's head, we can see it flash into a twinkle of light, exactly like how objects from the light world do when they go into a dark world). it kind of makes sense as well for the ribbon in skies forever blue only being one ribbon, while the twin ribbon is 2 ribbons. if you ripped a ribbon in half vertically, then taped it back together, it would still be 2 separate cloths. they would just be attached to one another.
i think skies forever blue will have something to do with deltarune later, and i think the theory crafters are sort of on the right track, but i feel it is being greatly exaggerated from what the connection will end up being. we will need to find Dess, and when that happens then something will connect to skies forever blue, but its not going to be on this great of a scale.
Something I haven’t seen brought up much is how many of these specific details are likely to have been incorporated specifically, if it were just a couple synchronicities I could blow it off, but given how many there are despite the lack of involvement by anyone in the production staff with Deltarune, it’s likely that there is at least a significant amount of hinting through the video.
I think Jevil may be aware of the fact that is a videogame character and that made jevil go insane, yes we can argue that is just aware of being the joker card of a deck of cards, but it seems that all the darkners are fully aware of the fact that they are just objects in the real world, so it can't be that the thing that made jevil insane, but yes I don't think skies forever blue is really related to undertale or deltarune, and i don't even think is dragon blazers, in the spamton sweepstake thing when noelle talks about the ice palace, she references a regular home consolle, and she just unplugged it when she got scared by the locked door, but the shown game is an handled game, so it can't be Noelle's dragon blazers, or at least not the edition with the ice palace she was playing (maybe is Dragon Blazer I or something, but definitely not the one referenced by Noelle)
I feel a little bad for everyone involved in creating the video
Imagine you do something cool and standing on its own two feet and most of what you get is people pointing at it going "Deltarune this and that" instead of voicing appreciation for the amazing project it is, missing the trees for the forest
I'd be a bit disheartened if that were me
I don't think it's that big a deal, of course everybody has noticed that it's a very cool work of art.
it's not just deltarune, i saw someone in the comments theorizing about how it's connected to omori
imagine if toby fox ends up releasing dragon blazers as a game :U
Maybe forever blue is a universe with similar mechanics to undertale or deltarune, but is different from them & maybe will have a crossover with Deltarune.
Maybe it’s what dragon blazers really is?
Yeah there isn’t much evidence, but, it could still be it though.
“Nobody is self aware.”
Jevil showing up to your house be like:
I do not fully agree with this,even if you do have some trong points,but i respect the theory,and see your point.
Or maiby i am,just like many others,a deltarune/undertale lore addiction,and just want that to count.
Or both
Same, while he does a decent job at arguing against it being Dess lore, I still think that it’s Dragon Blazers. Plus, I feel like Toby would have said something about it at this point. Like, it would be so easy to say “It’s not related,” and I imagine would’ve by now.
(Also this may feel cope-y, but the Super tier description doesn’t say that ALL original songs are necessarily unrelated, just that they are typically an example of unrelated works.)
@@personexisting123 that is true too.
I think the song is more related to omori in a way as in the middle you can see a lot of stuff kel related not to mention the art seems to closely resemble omori
Edit: or at least if it is anything I really do believe it's just a song
The thumbnail makes it sound like some sort of scandal being exposed.
You can have whatever theory you want and I respect it, but I personally always thought that this music video was related to Dragon Blazers, although I've probably analyzed DB way too much given what I've found that's posted here. Aside from the Deltarune analogy, I've noticed some connections with other RPG franchises. From what I've seen, there are three Dragon Blazers games, Dragon Blazers 1, 2 and 3. When Noelle plays Dragon Blazers 3 in the Hospital with her dad, the handheld seems very similar to a Gameboy Advance, which reminded me of Mother 3 and the series in general; In Spamton sweepstakes, Noelle's post indicates that Dragon Blazers 1 was a home console game, just like Mother 1 as well as Mother 2. However, I also noticed something that reminded me of Dragon Quest. When Susie references the player character's sister getting cursed in Dragon Blazers 2, it reminded me of Dragon Quest 2 where the Princess of Moonbrooke is cursed with the form of a dog. However, the game depicted in the music video is obviously a handheld game, but Dragon Quest 1 and 2 received Gameboy versions later on, as well as Mother 1 and 2. Also, the character dynamic between the boy and girl in the music video reminds me a lot of Ninten and Ana in Mother 1: Both characters can be named at the beginning of the game, which fits Mother 1, and Ana confesses her love for Ninten in a very similar way; the characters also stand on a cliff after defeating the final boss, and in the japanese version of Mother, the credits roll on that scene. There's even a scene in the video where the two of them find a melody, shown as a string of music notes and instruments. In Mother 1 (and 2), the goal of the game is to collect eight melodies, which once done allows the characters to fight the final boss. Okay that's it from me, I clearly have a problem.
very good video I didn’t even know some of the points people were making. how did they even connected those dots. The comment Noelle makes about the ribbons is probably about her wearing them as a kid, seeing as how the spelling bee cutscene with berdly shows her silhouette with what looks like pig tails. Clears up that whole point complelty. It’s even implied that susie might have worn a pony tail as a kid too from her dialoge! But never anything about dess wearing them.
True, we just don’t know anything about Dess because Toby wants it to be that way. Maybe she played the guitar ?
i sorta agree? not sure.
for me, the biggest evidence of it being connected to DR (i think another comment here mentioned this as well) was that: the ribbon appeared as a star shape (✨) as the girl fell.
that's such a peculiar detail...like. i know it could just stylization, but wouldn't it be more straightforward to just draw an untangled ribbon instead of a star?
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i didn't really agree about what you said about the code. "the code" is probably not a canon part of deltarune's story, but it could still be some dark area, like the area mentioned on toby's twitter. this Girl in SFB falling into a videogame's code could be an analogy for that deltarune character, even if "the code" isn't a literal place.
whether she actually fell into some place? when first watching it, i didn't really interpret it as, her yelling allowed her to escape the fall or reset the game somehow. i thought she was dreaming or imagining the scenes with the Boy in the final playthrough, like a near death experience or something. i didn't take the empty save files at the end as meaning the Player deleted it, more that the game became so unstable that the save file got corrupted.
another possible evidence for her being lost is, the website. on the /girl website, she's standing alone at the bottom in darkness. from that, i feel like the implication is that she's been separated, not just from the player, but also from the Boy that they play as.
if the meaning was just "she's at the bottom because the premise of SFB is the disconnect between the boy & girl", then why is she in darkness? they could just show the Boy and Girl, both in the game's world, maybe a pixel art drawing of the girl falling or something. (in terms of logistics and effort, maybe they just didn't want to though. but to me, placing her in darkness seems like it's supposed to line up with the events of the video.)
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i also didn't really understand the very end of SFB, with the muffled -> garbled audio. i thought it was weird when HBC's theory video connected it to gaster, but i'm not sure if your explanation is right either. if the player is walking away, wouldn't the voice just get quieter? instead it gets glitchy. personally, i thought it was just stylization-the same muffled audio appears at the very start of the video too, it's just not distorted.
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nice video overall, i didn't agree with all of it but you argued your points pretty well👍
i think its just speculation over the theming, not saying “this is this person” or “this is 100% connected to this”, everyone in these comments are overreacting
What I find more likely and interesting as a sort of easter egg/allusion is that the girl is wearing a ribbon and the boy is wearing a bandanna.
I think, in some way, these are supposed to allude to the patience and bravery SOULs from Undertale, loosely at least- definitely not the same characters, but possibly an idea of what the humans could have looked like. Patience was known to have a toy knife and faded ribbon, while Bravery had a tough glove and manly bandanna, based on the obtainable items' order matching that of their appearances as attacks from the SOUL segments in Flowey's battle at the end of the game. Of course, the descriptions and appearances of the items conflict with the designs of the Skies Forever Blue characters, but it's still interesting to note the strange coincidence, if it even is one, that these two characters just so happen to be wearing the same exact types of items as the two SOULs in Undertale that are opposite to eachother yet happen to have more in common with eachother than with any other SOUL trait.
Again, definitely not the same characters. Just allusions. Nods to what they could have looked like. Or at the very least, old designs Toby had stashed away that never got shown within Undertale and were repurposed for Skies Forever Blue. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was just that, honestly.
Otherwise? I barely see anything at all that could directly allude to anything else from Undertale or Deltarune, Skies Forever Blue on its own is simply a beautiful song on its own with a standalone story to tell, and that's just all there really is to it. It has no clear relation to any of the overarching themes of Undertale or Deltarune... at all. It''s completely separate and unrelated, and that's good. It doesn't need any surrounding context to be understood for what it is, anyone can listen to the song or watch the music video and understand and appreciate it without ever having heard of Undertale or Deltarune just as much as a superfan of the games could- if not more, because their mind wouldn't be weighing them down with potential connections they're making up for the sake of satisfying their own twisted curiosity.
Toby will be forever cursed by his own talent
Yeah cant help but agree on this one
Its a cool and sad little animation that nobody can really appreciate because they are trying to connect it to deltarune so hard
Like the only one of their theories that even has the remote possibility of being true is that the game is Dragon Blazers 1 and thats only because we have literally no idea what it looks like other than it being a turn based rpg like deltarune
even if i really wanted to connect it to another game i feel like omori just makes more sense even if this is kinds a stretch
the animation has multiple people involved from that games dev team, the artstyles are extremely similar especially when it shows off the real world of the person holding the gameboy, and the timeline of events match up pretty well with sunny in that game
He had a gameboy but after what happened seemed to spend all of his time asleep and the gameboy was just shoved in the closet
after one of the endings in the game i could see him playing on it again, likely wiping the savefile like we see right at the end of the animation
People can work on stuff that isn't related to other projects. I might be biased as all hell but it'd make me mad if I created something for the sake of it and people connected it the more popular thing I made.
I agree with the points in this video, although I don't really think the issue is that serious, I am kinda confused about the end part to you it doesnt sound like the player in the music video is just walking away I mean even with all the glitching the corruptions sounds sound too weird just sounds like the game crashed to me but maybe its up to interpretation (no I do not think they're gaster sounds lol)
But..
JEVIL: when your HP drops to 0, you lose!
Aw man, I thought I was some crazy theorist when I saw the evidence of the girl being in love with the player instead of the boy as I saw nobody talking about it. But by the way you mention it, it seems like a well-known fact. Guess I'm dumb x)
But learning that the noises at the end are the player walking away from the console makes me wanna hug the girl. She got hit with some "The worse (s)he can say is no" level rejection. She would be good friends with Monika tho
In all honesty, I really prefer SFB to not be linked to Deltarune at all and hope that this universe will be expand as its own one day (no big chances of happening but one can dream)
this guys rizz is imesuarable similar to the likes of itoki omocat and toby
Ralsei & Spooky Dood: I don't think It means anything.
Gaster: (╯ರ ~ ರ)╯︵ ┻━┻
(This is just a joke, i personally think SpookyDood is right.)
Oh yeah and where she’s falling into the code, there’s actually a link in the description. If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you can see Dess just there.
people fr think that toby's life is only about deltarune and undertale
Personally speaking,
this video comes off heavily as "The curtains are were fucking blue" ngl
Personally, I both agree and disagree with you because although the theories seem so out of place, I can't discard them yet because we don't have enough evidence/content to just say this isn't related to Dess or Deltarune at all, we don't even know if this is Dragon Blazers or if this is just a different game because of how little evidence we have. I will agree that this song shouldn't be nitpicked to being just Deltarune theory land tho, people need to calm down sometimes. So if you ask me, i'll wait for Chapter 3 and see if the song is related or not
Counterpoints:
1. Ribbons
The mere fact that Toby included a Pink (and White) Ribbon in the game at all is noteworthy, because with the exception of Ralsei's Red Scarf, which we can see on his sprite, all other weapons and armours are described by their material or some sort of "mood" about them. The Pink (and White) Ribbon(s) are the only other items described by their colour, meaning we are potentially supposed to note the importance of Pink (and White) as colour symbols in Deltarune.
I don't think the ribbons not perfectly matching up to the music video is automatically a strike-down for this argument. Symbols in stories are often used loosely in order to create generalized associations between them so that readers can draw connections. Likewise, the fact that Noelle doesn't mention Dess is also not a strike-down, because Dess is still an important part of Noelle's story so if she gives particular focus to something it might be used as evidence for Dess in conjunction with other things.
This argument is basically saying because it doesn't match up exactly, we shouldn't use it to speculate using associations. That's not really how literature works. Few works of literature are this literal or exact in their use of symbols.
2. "Ice"
Saying it's just "stylization" seems like an inconsistent way to read it when everything else about Skies Forever Blue is so vibrant, colourful, and detailed. If the video chose to represent the ground using a white or grey colour, to me that indicates there must be a reason because it contrasts the rest of the video so much. It's minimalistic enough that we could interpret it as like a "generic ground" material that is "blank" because that scene takes place when the world has been rendered "glitched", but it's hard to say. It very well could still be ice (it could even be a glacier and we can't see the water below it because the code breaks apart).
In general, the Dess theory requires us to assume it's ice, but if it IS ice, that alone should be enough to link the video to Noelle and Dess, because Noelle and Dess are both associated with snow, ice, and winter in general. It's not really relevant whether the imagery is falling ice, snow, a glacier, whatever-"frozen water" in any form is totally fair game as a symbolic association. Again, symbolism is seldom that exact.
3. Falling Into the Code
While it's true Undertale uses in-universe analogues to explain its meta, fourth-wall-breaking elements, it can't be denied that Undertale referencing the fact that it's a video game is a core part of its identity. Saving and Loading may be an in-universe Determination power, but Flowey is still shown shattering our literal video game save file. He may use video games as a metaphor for how he sees the world in canon, but he still is oriented in a scene to make it seem like he's talking directly to us.
These things are ambiguous and straddle the line between being metaphorical and literal. For the purpose of Toby creating a video to (perhaps) reference something in Deltarune, the mere association between Skies Forever Blue's 100% literal reference that it's a video game, and Undertale's maybe 30-40% literal reference that it's a video game, should be enough to allow Skies Forever Blue to be a _symbol_ for Deltarune by rough association.
Like you are correct, Dess (or whomever it is) is likely not LITERALLY "stuck in the code", but the code is clearly being used as an "analogue" or a "symbol" for the character being trapped in some sort of liminal space. Much like how saving and loading has an in-universe aspect and a meta aspect, this trapped person will also have an in-universe aspect and a meta aspect for conveying where they are trapped and why. So even if Skies Forever Blue doesn't have an in-universe aspect and only has a meta aspect, SFB can still be associated with Deltarune in this way because Deltarune still does _have_ a meta aspect.
I also don't agree that the song being reset before the girl can literally fall all the way into the code is a strike-down argument either. We're obviously supposed to interpret that scene as her BEGINNING to, which is enough to create the association even if the rest of the song is doing other things (such as alluding to non-consensual resets, which reminds me of another well known theory by someone...)
I also disagree that the mysterious character is the one responsible for copying and resetting, since all it does is describe what happens, it never says it is the one who actually performs the actions. But that's not relevant.
4. Three Files
Yeah lots of games have three files but Undertale didn't and Deltarune does, meaning Toby made a deliberate decision to give Deltarune three files in contrast. It's a weaker argument for the reasons you say but it still is something reasonable to take notice of since Deltarune specifically having three is noteworthy. The fact that the save state says "LV 99" should be enough to make us think of Undertale's LOVE stat. Toby knows how he used his own acronyms and how he continues to use them.
5. Anniversary
Not much to say here, you're right that it could be a "Toby Fox Day", but I'm not sure why Toby would limit himself to these days if he doesn't need to. This still functions as a bit of an association with Deltarune as you acknowledge.
6. "Super" Tier Mailing List Text
This seems pretty overblown. SFB isn't "literally" related to Deltarune in that it doesn't literally feature Deltarune products and doesn't reference Deltarune's OST, but that doesn't mean that Toby wouldn't put hints in "original" materials that are relevant for his main work. If I were Toby I would absolutely jump at every chance to do so, because that's just fun. It's also worth noting that if Toby were trying to be sneaky, he wouldn't tell us that SFB is related to Deltarune, but he does still have a reason to consider that some people may not want to be told about non-UT/DR stuff.
7. The "Big Picture" of the Song
In general my response to this is just a repeat of everything else. The song can be overall about something different than Deltarune but still have used Deltarune's out-of-context plot ideas in order to weave that original scenario.
Tl;dr: Symbolism and allusion do not need to be exact in order to be relevant or true, it's a literary fallacy to think that. Symbols are usually used loosely in order to create associations, and just because you can identify differences between SFB and Deltarune/Undertale doesn't mean that their similarities are not worth considering. If you were to apply this logic consistently to all literature, almost no novels would ever be able to successfully use symbolism because almost no stories use symbolism to this extreme level of exact matching.
Of course, the differences are still worth considering too and of course everybody is aware that SFB and Deltarune may be unrelated. Their similarities may just be because Toby likes making self-referential video game stuff, so he may just keep making totally unrelated self-referential video game stuff over and over. But just like how drawing symbols without respect to the larger context has its issues, REFUSING to draw symbols because their contexts don't match up perfectly also has its issues.
I dont think so, the part where Flowey explains to "Chara" what he did with the power of resets is just him talking to Frisk as any other character in the game, him breaking the save file icon doesnt mean much in my opinion, the fact that these things can already be explained with in lore logic shows that this whole "Undertale/Deltarune are canonically videogames" doesnt have much weight.
Your whole argument in that part boils to the "player theory" of Undertale who claims Frisk is being canonically controlled by us, real humans who play undertale as a vessel and not a character making its own decisions, which is flawed as Frisk is shown to not do things they are not interested in such as punching or not punching the dummy again, and also are the only one Chara could see the feelings of "perverted sentimentality" through the soul at the end of in the genocide route...
why cant i just enjoy wholesome music video in peace ;-;
Deltarune fans amirte
Reddit moment incarnate
No guys Mike is just a Mike Dykta reference
The girl fell into the code could be referring to something different like it would be saying that dess fell into a dark world.
You forgot something! The japanese subtitles switch at the end to (almost) fully katakana.
Also, Papyrus should be on the "Important because of Gaster" list
Imagine you're Toby and you wanted to take a bit of a break on working on Deltarune. You decide to take some inspiration on a few notes and ideas from that and place them in a new music video. You compose the song, get other great artists to draw the animation and sing the song, and you release it on CZcams. You decide to take a look at the reception.
"Dude bro dude look deltarune lore drop dess dess dess."
"Look at them save points." "Look at them ice."
"Toby is a diabolical genius hiding things in plain site in other projects!"
You decide to take a break.
The themes explored in Skies Forever Blue are a handful of Toby's favorite. In almost everything he has made, it plays with metanarratives and characters slowly learning that their world is controlled. It very well could be hinting at something in Deltarune, but I don't think it's a concrete hint. We're getting a taste of what might come in Deltarune's middle and end game.
i dont think its that extreme
If Toby was bothered by it he would’ve come out and said it anyway. So I don’t really care
I really agree with the dess part, but about there being no conection? Nah. I mean there are many interconected themes between the stories self awareness, player and npc interaction, freedom, save files, and a few others. And she(the female character in skies forever blue) JUST has a lot of potencial, i would really love if she became a secret boss of sorts, i mean she fits, self awareness, freedom themes, overpowered(lv 99), abandoment, can be a darkner(programs are show to become darkners), and others... besides imagine how she could impact kris and the player relationship? Its just to much of an amazing character with a ton of potencial to just be cast away like that.
If she shows up directly in deltarune, I think that's the first time a character in a video game gets a cameo in a music video before actually showing up in the game.
@@Axodus Wouldn't it be the other way around? A character from a song getting a cameo in a videogame? She's the protagonist of the song afterall.
@@Emmariscobar Depends what they were conceptualized for, the song, or the game.
The corruption in skies forever blue is the game cartridge’s battery corrupting and dying. It’s why the game resets but she still remembers.
The thing about the text hidden in the code is that it is is connected specifically to code that does conspicuously nonsensical tasks, at least so far as I have heard.
As far as the connection to deltarune, the game played in skies forever blue seems to be a typical jrpg, which is a genre parodied by undertale and deltarune; in the script if deltarune, there are several mentions of a game called "dragon blazers," usually as a way of talking about events taking place in the plot of Deltarune.
Notably, Noelle is able to cast a spell from dragon blazers, Iceshock.
Also of note, the apparent final boss of the game in Skies Forever Blue is a skeletal dragon.
This seems to be the strongest chain of associations linking SFB to Deltarune.
While I agree it seems similar, TONS of jrpg’s have dragons, even skeletal dragons. Just because the name of the game is “dragon blazers” doesn’t mean SFB is supposed to be Dragon Blazers. IMO, the dragon in SFB is just meant to parody/reference classic jrpg’s
@@spookydood5500
That MAY be the case, but typical jrpg final bosses tend to be deities, or angelic beings, or devils, not dragons.
Note that while Grima WAS a dragon, they are in the actual game treated more as a sort of devil, and earlier as tge god of a religion.
So again, there is plenty of ground for overlap, but Grima is an exception, not the trend.
Spoilers for several jrpgs.
Examples include: Kefka, god of magic (finalfantasy6), Sephiroth, one winged angel (ff7), Jaldabaoth/Yaldabaoth: "god of control" (persona5), Takuto Maruki: inheritor of the title "god of control" (p5), Giygas/Giyg/Giygue/etc.: Alien (Mother 1) and bodiless consciousness (Mother 2), Lavos: devourer of the Earth and all its' life (Chrono Trigger), The Time Devourer (Chrono Trigger DS and Chrono Cross), The Amber Throne (The Amber Throne), Asriel Dreemurr: "God of Hyperdeath" (Undertale), Spamton Neo (Deltarune Chapter 2), YHVH (Shin Megami Tensei 2), Archangel [forgot which one, I think maybe gabriel] (Shin Megami Tensei 1), Adolf Hitler/Nyarlathotep (Persona 2 Innocent Sin/Persona 2 Eternal Punishment), Grima: The Fell Dragon (Fire Emblem Awakening), etc.
@@mogalixir
Actually, As discussed in the Deltacast, Catpetters is a reference to the "Dogz" and "Catz" video game series. (This is based on how the game Cat Petters is described in the noelle blogpost arg)
@@mogalixir
Oh, and here's the Deltacast Playlist:
czcams.com/play/PLf-nz6f9VlIXyqD-ose5Cm7GQdVv-BzH9.html
toby's newest statement failing to make this point in any direct manner points toward it being connected to deltarune. this community in particular has such a huge thing for white knighting in the creator's honor when its either unnecessary or completely uncalled for.
Sky Forever Blue isn't related to Deltarune bro, just like how the Mike in Spamtons dialogue is just Mike Dykta /s
@@angelnati8297
Nah bro, since Sweepstakes came out it's finally confirmed that Mike is a character.
@@angelnati8297 i legitimately cannot tell if this is satire or not.
Ok but like
Why were you only taking 1 damage in the MAD spamton neo fight
it is not at all a 1-1 mapping. in any way. it doesn't really say anything about dess or actual deltarune lore (as far as we know). but you CANNOT tell me that game is not dragon blazers.
this!!! skys forever blue was a music video for toby *and* itoki hana but people just completely overlook itoki and all the other artists to point at toby and omocat and go "WOAH LOOK DELTARUNE OMORI LORE!!1!" i love both of those games and their creators but come on it was a passion project for a bunch of different artists not just omo and toby and not just about video game lore
If anything, it would be an allegory to Noelle's character, as she is shown to have pigtails when she was younger, which would be appropriate for two ribbons.
Did it say in big bold letters on the mailing list *SKYS FOREVER BLUE IS NOT UT/DR* ?
No, did all the artists who all worked on this music video hoping people would enjoy it tell you in big bold letters to **THIS VIDEO IS ONLY MEANT TO BE SCAVENGED FOR FRINGE THEROIES ABOUT DESS**?
Good video, you made some great points. The only really "damning evidence" for me was nr.5 in this video, anyways. The newsletter description certainly seems to say it is at least not directly connected to DR.
I'm more impresssed with how big this became, almost like this turned into some internet fandom war, even if I only remember one theorist talking about this. Now I'm seeing people talk about how Deltarune fans are toxic and can't let Toby do anything else without making it all about Deltarune. Maybe I'm out of the loop, but this is the first time I've seen something outside of Deltarune connected to it.
👀 So Skies Forever Blue was mentioned in the newsletter now that it's finally been released. It still might have nothing to do with Deltarune, but this is a change
Yeah, I never really understood why people think there's a clear connection between these two. As you explained, most of the similarities are either such common RPG elements that they could easily just be coincidences or don't actually seem to fully match up on closer inspection. Skies Forever Blue has Toby's style all over the place, so it does have some thematic resemblance to Undertale and Deltarune, but I don't think there's more to it than that.
The only good argument in favor of a connection really is the video's release date combined with Toby's lack of acknowledgement of Deltarune's anniversary the day prior. And with Toby having stated that the music video was made in a hurry, it does imply that they were specifically aiming for this date. It's a bit weird that something like this was made under a harsh deadline, but in light of all the evidence to the contrary, I still don't think it means anything. And it's important to keep in mind that Deltarune's anniversary was never treated as a big deal. As far as I remember, Toby never really did anything more than acknowledge it in a tweet. He's made it pretty clear by now that Undertale's anniversary is when notable things related to either game happen.
You know, I like Skies Forever Blue as it's own universe. It's own concept is good enough at it's own.
It's still would be good if it was for example third game in UNDERTALE game series since it has Toby's writing and style. It has everything to be one and nothing and the same time.
But anyway, all I need is actually just a continue of Skies Forever Blue story, or at least expansion.
@@JanordDos Eh, I don't really see any need for Skies Forever Blue to be expanded. It's clear that it kept a lot of the details of its game vague in order to focus solely on what matters to it. Like how we literally know nothing about the actual conflict that occurs in the game other than that it ends with the boy and the girl slaying a dragon.
Skies Forever Blue is really just a commentary on the portrayal of love interests in old JRPGs. It explores what it would be like if such a stereotypical love interest was self-aware and had the ability to grow beyond her design. It accomplishes this purpose quite well. I really don't see any need to expand on it, since it already shows all it really needs to accomplish its goal.
@@kilicool64
You know, it doesn't matter that much as it may sound like, but still, it can be said the same about anything what possible if break it into the Bits and Pieces.
But anyway, Skies Forever Blue sure has some pretty funny details in it, as showing that The Player got an interest in others project since they got Undertale and Omori merch in stuff, but come back to the very old game they played as a child after all this years.
Though, the detail with very long "another day" subtitle and "you destroyed everything" gives it more detail than it should have, as it got even it's own separate web page which makes it more important than 74 or anything.
Anyway, for now it's only a music video. But it still would be good to have it as it's own new universe with it's own story and stuff happening inside way beyond the old story of Undertale.
First of all, those are some good points, but the straw-man take on other videos was insane. This video made misleading claims just to attack fans who enjoyed both works. The theories I’ve seen examine “Skies” without pretending it only matters (potentially) for Deltarune. They do not treat those ideas as scripture, so why the holy war?
Further, why would “Skies” be thematically unrelated to Toby’s other works; while Eathbound, Undertale, and Deltarune are?
I didn't even know about this plus I don't see any connections when saw the thumbnail
unhinged giga chad
I am pretty sure that skies forever blue is a dragon blazer 2 reference dragon blazer 2 is a game in deltarune
I disagree. HalfBreadChaos provides evidence. The Super mailing list is just a list. That doesn’t mean that skies forever blue isn’t Deltarune theory.
I like the idea it's dragon blazers 1
this guy is so hot hes comparable to itoki hana
How do you know the girl in darkness isn’t in the code?
imagine forgetting about the "dragon blazers" in deltarune
Cheap copy of Final Fantasy: Exists*
Everyone: Holy shit is that SANS UNDERTALE!
Thank you! Skies Forever Blue is just a bittersweet song about a jrpg girl who's in love with the player but is stuck inside a Gameboy cartridge, and then due to time passing the cartridge's battery dies so now the game can't even store save data. But the girl at least finally manages to tell the player she loves them when the player replays it years later even though the world resets again once they turn the game off. It's a really cool project and I like to sing it to myself when doing chores
I wish more people would appreciate the song for what it is, an original bittersweet tale created by multiple really incredible artists. Instead of insisting it has to be Deltarune related.
yeah alot of the music video is being taken out of context
Technically there only 3 character in Deltarune that are self aware it a video game...for the most part Jevil, Spamton, Kris
Jevil when he's say the he's the one truly free when he was lock by Seam, and also how he states everything is just a game
Spamton mentioning the silly strings that control him, and also when he say that maybe Kris and Susie can break them one day.And Kris being controlled by us the player... still this one is debatable
Youd think toby would say something if this completly unrealeted, i still think theres some connection but it is true that people are ovethinkng stuff
i would not see it as something that feels inspirational if it was part of deltarune
Yeah, why would they create an ENTIRE animated song that took HOURS to make, and people just use it for fricking UNDERTALE LORE
I do think the visuals might be allusions to the Undertale and Deltarune art style. The premise of the song reminds more of Doki Doki Literature Club.
hey, it's you again! cool video i liked it :)
Here's my thoughts on things if your interested
I agree the twin ribbon theory and the ice theory (the latter in particular) is a bit much in my opinion.
the girl/dess being trapped is a much more solid theory in my opinion. while yes, the girl doesn't get trapped in the code, she does seem to be trapped in the DARKNESS. plus the web url using the word "girl" with a single sprite surrounded by darkness bears a striking resemblance to the spamton sweepstakes (in particular the "Find Her")
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I might add more in the comments but I ain't feeling it rn TwT
short answer: not everything toby fox does is related to deltarune, he's a musician who can pursue other projects. as MoRPho151 said, the idea of reality and living people inside video games is a theme toby is very interested in.
its not that deep
You can't do this to me, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TIME OF MY LIFE I SACRIFICED?!!
honestly deltarune is the last game id compare the song to. if anything, it reminds me more of ddlc
My man would compare this song more with minecraft than deltarune
Surely not the last lol
@@gabriellemos2491 LOL okay fair enough, i was exaggerating a bit lol, i forgot i had even commented this LMAOOO i was probably sleepy at the time haha
I’m so glad this wasn’t just me! I always felt like the theory was a bit of a reach. Could it be foreshadowing something? Maybe, but I really doubt it. Especially given that Toby wasn’t even the one that made the visuals, so any parallels are probably coincidence. Obviously I’m not trying to start any arguments, since half the fun of being a Deltarune fan is speculation anyways! If you think that its meant to parallel Dess, there’s nothing wrong with that!!
I still love Skies Forever Blue.
its defintely not directly related to deltarune, but it really feels thematically similar