Will CHARA be in Deltarune? | ULTIMATE Chara Theory Analysis | Deltarune Theory Discussion
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The Deltarune fanbase has been arguing over whether or not Chara from Undertale is going to make their appearance here in Deltarune. There are theories regarding Chara interrupting Gaster's experiments, SECRET MEANING in Japanese text in Deltarune's intro, and more. In this video, I lay out all the evidence, and discuss whether or not I believe Chara is going to make their appearance in Deltarune.
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I think it would be funny if chara was in the game, but only mentioned like, once, as asriels roommate
That would be fitting
here's hoping lol
I'd love that ngl
Would be funny would immediately debunk lots of theories
Toby casually name dropping characters sounds very in character for him.
Regarding the last part about Chara not being in deltarune with "Chara played a major role in undertale, but is a completly different person in deltarune"
Yeah, that may be true, but you also have to remember that most characters with major roles from undertale now also play a role in deltarune anyway, and Chara could easily still have a pretty similar backstory, leading to a Chara. Maybe not the exact same, but neither are Toriel and sans in that regard.
Most characters have the same exact personality from undertale, despite the fact that major things are different (mainly monsters living on the surface), so one would assume that this massive change would naturally make bigger impacts, like certain monsters not even being born or simply having the exact same personality, age etc. Despite living in a completely different environment since start.
Also chara is literally one of the only people in undertale who literally takes your soul in order to recreate a world you two destroyed. Cut to a few years later and soul is playing an even bigger part in deltarune than it did in undertale, alongside characters like spamton wanting your soul in order to become free. Using a plot point like that years before deltarune and then not going anywhere with it is just simply bad writing. Also, it is common knowledge at this point that deltarune concepts have existed before even undertale has, it is becoming more and more apparent that deltarune was always the more important project than undertale, adding something like chara in undertale but not deltarune is dumb from a plot standpoint
2 things
1. In Japanese the first speaker and second speaker use different pronouns to say “You”
2. Toby is very involved with the translations
Edit: wow did not expect this on my comment
also the second speaker just speaks differently in general. they speak very chara-like from the short time we talk to them. first speaker kind of talks like a polite older person, this is not true with the second speaker.
japanese is VERY VERY important in utdr. different characters have their own styles of speaking to reflect their personality. the undertale team is literally going to put out a book talking about how important translation is in undertale
Yes, HOWEVER it probably isn't Chara, as the second intro speaker uses the Hiragana version of Omae, while Chara used Kanji. Despite sounding similar, there are small things like this that make it seem like it isn't Chara. I'm honestly on the fence as to whether there's two intro speakers. On the one hand, yes, it sounds like two separate voices. On the other hand, to a blind player, the reveal of "Oh, that intro guy is actually this evil character named Gaster!" is much easier to understand than "Oh! There were two intro speakers one of whom is this Gaster character and the second is this other character who opposed Gaster's experiments and inserted you in Kris-" etc. It just way overcomplicated thing in my opinion, and I can't see a reason for it.
@@spookydood5500 Then why the diferent font? Why ignore a obvious plot point just because its "complicated"?
@@mechamedegeorge6786 I'm not ignoring the font at all. After all, Gaster, who primarily speaks in Wingdings, uses a different font in the intro. Sure, this COULD mean that this was before he spoke in Wingdings, or maybe he can speak in two fonts. It could also mean nothing. Either way, it's not something we need to question at the moment. The same goes for the second font. Sure, it COULD be a different character, but as I already said, it's a default type value, used by Susie. This doesn't mean that ONLY Susie can speak that way. It's used as a way to stylize text. As for your second question, it's not that "no complicated reveal COULD happen". it's just that this seems like WAY too complicated a reveal for the average player. A reveal for the sake of a reveal is no good. A good twist/reveal needs buildup, needs to affect the story in an important way, and needs to affect the main theme of the story in some way. Revealing that not ONLY was Gaster on the intro screen, performing an experiment, but there was someone ELSE there who interrupted the experiment and actually has their OWN backstory- etc. is too complicated, and really waters down the reveal. I do think there's a chance that the "second speaker" is actually a flashback, after all it was apparently originally supposed to be Susie yelling for Kris to wake up. However, I'm honestly not sure.
@@spookydood5500 That doesnt really sound complicated tbh, just a cool twist that makes sense. After all why would Gaster (Or whoever that was) help us create a vessel just to discard it? And why would Toby want to make his font as he does it different from his regular one?
Also, you are not making sense, on one hand you say it cant be Chara because there are minor differences, but compared to the first speaker there are even MORE differences
Toby fox works very closely with the Japanese translation team and we've even gotten canon info from the translation like that papyrus is sans's younger brother
I wouldn't mind Chara NOT appearing in Deltarune if what we got in Undertale was perfectly satisfactory for their character. After seeing the fandom tear each other to shreds over debating Chara's morality and how little we know about their motives or the reasons they do the things they do, I do think we need some more closure about Chara, and I don't think Deltarune is a bad way to give that closure.
So yeah, I can't help but object to the notion that Chara story has been wrapped up. I've looked at what there is and I personally think there so much more potential that can be explored. They are far more than just a "mere reflection of the player's malice" or a "mindless force of nature" and have the potential to be one of the most tragic and complex characters there is. Not a pure psychopath or some innocent corrupted soul but something far more. *(That's a rant for my own video though which won't happen for a while)*
And Chara has narrative potential for Deltarune. As DR explores the control of the player, it wouldn't be illogical for the person who rebelled against the player to make an appearance (also it's fitting for a demon to appear in a story about angels and heaven).
Not to mention the whole "erase this pointless world and move on to the next." which to me feels like a bit of a Chekov's Gun
You have an extremely valid point about the difficulty of getting UT Chara to narratively fit into the world of Deltarune, but then again, if there are going to be connections to the world of Undertale (WHICH TOBY FOX DID IMPLY) then why leave out a character that has shown to know about other worlds.
Long story short, there's nothing to completely prove Chara will appear in Deltarune but I don't think the evidence disproves their existence either. At least not yet.
Sorry about my rant. I just feel that if Chara is left the way they are, it'll be a huge missed opportunity to explore and develop their character. I don't care if they appear in Deltarune or get discussed in some Toby Fox tweet. I just want to see them get closure (and some more complexity).
i think the way of how you act in deltarune will DETERMINE if the player ended undertale with pacifist and left the world to be at peace or erased the world and moved onto the deltarune world
I'd have to disagree with the second intro narrator still being Gaster, in my mind the hard cut as well as the change of type face is proof enough, even if characters do change the typeface something which Gaster does, i don't think his manner of speaking would change since although his typer values are different when speaking in all caps English or all caps Wing Dings he maintains his all caps no punctuation style of speech.
Edit: it can also being implied gaster talking in Wingdings is representative of him speaking in a language we don't understand and this thus represented with a font that's hard to initially understand, since this would be one of the only few ways to communicate this fact due to character's not being voiced.
And thus his manner of speaking can be inferred to be an accent of sorts, and accents aren't the sort of thing a person changes easily on a dime.
And on your second point I'm a bit divided with Undertale essentially being an AU of Deltarune I can see it going either way but i agree with you more than I disagree, but playing devils advocate for this is that since the darling little demon we meet known as chara is described as a feeling we the players posses, she's a demon, a thought, an idea, a sin.
And i think that's worth considering due to the often overlooked religious imagery and theme's in the games, particularly relating to Christianity.
Edit: Chara also mentions appearing regardless of time of place and the way Chara's is described as the feeling you get when you see exp and lv go up is literally the "feeling of getting stronger", this could also be used as evidence for Noelle being the angel, a sort of Chara analogue taking.
Like Chara she is also the one serves as the Deuterogonist of the evil route, where chara is a devil we cooperate with as partner noelle is an angel we corrupt.
edit2: there is also the Demon text in undertale's code also implies a existence of a demon regardless of routes.
where originally the text condemned the reader for their lack of patience similar to how chara chides us for our "perverse sentimentality" if you follow a genocide route up with another genocide route but now the entity says they understand us and as our loyal servant will follow us to our utmost.
@Ivan Bucy But Toby fox actually deconfirmed Undertale chara being in deltarune all these years ago
@@sahilhossian8212 just because the second narrator isn't gaster doesn't mean it's Chara, and Undertale Chara and the Demon Chara are separate entities, both are game characters but one of them is a human child while the other is described as a feeling we the player have within us.
Changing the typing is a technique used many times by tobey fox in both undertale and deltarune to display that a character has suddenly changed their tone for effect, just remember how sans would do it paired up with the empty eyes to deliver a threat during certain dialogue. I think it make perfect sense that it would be used here to express how gaster is doing a rug pull and basiquelyl mocking you as he take away the creation you just invested yourself into to make a point about what you should be expecting from this world.
chara uses they/them
@@blackbloom8552 Yeah but he changes his manner of speaking as well in Japanese and English which has stayed consistent in Undertale, Deltarune and fucking twitter. There's too many differences to just say that he's "pulling a sans".
I agree with some of what you said, but I do have some objections as I think you're discounting some of the evidence unfairly. Let's go point by point.
-The second speaker in the intro/goner maker sequence. You dismissed the "second voice" and said that it's probably just Gaster still speaking. For reasons you mentioned, we have no reason to believe this. Gaster speaks in all capitals, he has a unique speaking pattern, he has his own typer value, etc. None of what we see from the second voice fits Gaster. Not only does the second voice not match Gaster at all, but it completely goes against what Gaster was wanting. Gaster wanted us to create a vessel to use that he was helping us make, that was going smoothly and it wasn't until he was interrupted by the second speaker (that again, is nothing like him) that threw out our vessel and essentially said "no, you're going in Kris". There is no reason to believe this is Gaster speaking for the reasons mentioned. They speak nothing like him, have a different typer value, and actively contradict what he was wanting.
-The typer value. As you mentioned, the typer value for the second voice in the intro is 2, which is just the default typer value for narration and other stuff (as far as i'm aware). The thing is though, in UNDERTALE, Chara's typer value was the same as the narration/default typer value. That doesn't necessarily mean that literally every single line in UNDERTALE using a typer value of 2 was Chara speaking (though a lot of it is, adding more fuel to the whole "Chara is the narrator" theory), but that was the typer value associated with them whenever they did speak. Also a side note, when Susie uses the typer value of 2 it's when her text appears very slowly with no sound. That is exactly how Chara speaks at the end of a genocide route, and again, just like the second voice in the intro.
-The Japanese translation. You talked about this and I agree with most of what you said, but I'd like to review the point. This is going to be a bit of a tangent but bear with me, but I'll try to get the point across as well as I can. Gaster in the Japanese version speaks exclusively in kanji and katakana, which is a weird combination but it's how he speaks. The second voice speaks in kanji and HIRAGANA, which is how you would normally write in a more formal manner. In Japanese, Gaster uses the second-person pronoun "anata". This is a formal pronoun, which fits for him as he appears to be polite to use in the goner maker sequence. The second voice, however, uses a more informal pronoun "omae" when they say "your name is..". In addition, Gaster speaks very formally and politely in general, ending a lot of sentences with “desu”, and ending all of his requests with “kudasai” (which means "please"). However, the second voice uses more informal language, for example, opting to use the informal “dekinai” rather than the formal “dekimasen”. Compare directly to Gaster, who DOES use the formal “dekimasu”. You know who else uses the pronoun “omae” when speaking on a plain black background, using informal language, uses the default typer value, and uses kanji liberally? Chara. This alone doesn't confirm that it's Chara, but this along with all of the other evidence piled together does add to it and adds to the likelihood, and we're still not done talking about the rest of the evidence.
-Toby Fox's Q&A. You showed us a screenshot of Toby answering a question regarding what DELTARUNE is, where he basically says that UNDERTALE will be however you left it and will remain untouched going into DELTARUNE. You use this to argue that anything from UNDERTALE couldn't carry over or connect to DELTARUNE, however, if you literally go down to THE LITERAL VERY NEXT QUESTION HE ANSWERS we get this: "Question: So there's no connections between the two games? Answer: It's a different world that might even have different rules. That doesn't mean there will be no connections at all though." Here he outright states that the two games & worlds have connections, meaning there is undeniably SOMETHING that connects them. Also, this idea that if anything from UNDERTALE carries over to DELTARUNE that it would make any one ending the definitive canon ending isn't necessarily true. It would just mean what we see in DELTARUNE is related or connected in some way to one of the possible outcomes or events of UNDERTALE, not that none of the other outcomes or endings of UNDERTALE don't happen. This can all be true without changing anything that happens in UNDERTALE or naming any one ending the one true or canon outcome. They can all be canon simultaneously
-There is another piece of evidence you didn't cover in this video. In an UNDERTALE update, there is a hidden message that can be found in the code labeled "demon". More specifically "demona, demonb, demonc, demond". Line by line this reads: “Greetings. You have made yourself completely clear. Understood. I, your humble servant, will follow you to the utmost…” This is very clearly Chara speaking judging by the "demon" label, the way they speak, etc. As a side note, there is another one labeled "demonx" that reads in all caps "HE IS". This was all added in an update well after the game's release around the time he was adding more Gaster related stuff and teasers for DELTARUNE. If this is Chara speaking, who are they speaking to and why would they be saying it? Let's review.
We have who we presume to be Chara speaking (with good reason), speaking to someone who they apparently will start working with/for. Seeing this, all of this fits the idea that Chara is the second speaker in the intro of DELTARUNE. The second speaker has the same speech pattern and manner of speaking as Chara (made even more apparent in the Japanese translation), the same speech speed, no sound in their text, they both have the same typer value as the default/narration typer value in both games, in the "demon" text in the code we see Chara outright saying that they're going to start working with someone when Gaster and whoever the second speaker in the intro is appear to be together, etc. All of this would explain why there is a second speaker to begin with, why they are the way they are / why they speak that way, why the second speaker conflicts with Gaster's original intention, and what the "demon" dialogue was all about. This part is complete speculation, but if the second speaker IS Chara it could also help explain why they conflicted with Gaster and insisted on us being put inside of Kris, who is basically the THEM in this world. We also have Toby Fox directly stating that the two games are connected... You also mentioned Kris being in the game pretty much makes Chara unnecessary since Kris essentially is the Chara of DELTARUNE, and I agree. The thing is though, that doesn't really have to change anything. From what we can tell Gaster and Chara (if they are involved) are sort of outside the world of DELTARUNE. Kris exists within the world of DELTARUNE just as Frisk exists in the world of UNDERTALE, while someone like Gaster appears to be outside of it all within his own little space the fandom has dubbed "the void" for lack of better term. If Chara is involved, they would just be with Gaster in this void, not in the world of DELTARUNE where Kris is. So both UNDERTALE and DELTARUNE can have their own Chara's (or whatever the equivalent of them is) in each world regardless of what transpires in each individual timeline while the one in question is outside of it all like Gaster. I'm going to post a link to an illustration someone else made that I think does a good job of depicting the idea here: preview.redd.it/5ooltewjsk731.png?width=1016&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=1df1fb9f3f6e553e7fded2c1291f8ff96e25e052
Regarding the second speaker, there's actually still a little more to it as well. There isn't a second speaker ONLY in the goner maker/intro sequence of the game, we also see a second speaker in other instances. After Gaster initially took over the UNDERTALE twitter account to release DELTARUNE and he finished all of his ramblings, there was another tweet that came out after he was finished that was clearly not written by him. It reads "Thank you for your responses. Operations will now resume as normal." So another instance of a "second voice" following Gaster going on his spiels with a completely different way of speaking that I would argue also resembles Chara. Another instance of this would be the save file menu. Before you complete Chapter 1, if you go to the save menu, Gaster is there observing and commenting on everything you do whether it be selecting a save, deleting it, copying it, trying to erase an empty slot, etc. Once you do complete Chapter 1 this menu completely changes and Gaster is no longer the one commenting on your actions. For example: When you try to erase an empty save file slot Gaster will say "BUT IT WAS ALREADY GONE.", but in the new save menu it will simply say "There's nothing to erase.". Point being, these are 3 different instances we can point to where we see this pattern of Gaster being present and going on his ramblings and being followed by something/someone else that speaks completely differently that obviously isn't him and arguably resembles Chara. In the intro, in the save file menu, and on the twitter account. All of this together along with the whole spiel Chara says in the "demon" messages where they're talking to someone and claim to begin following that person.
With all of this said, I still don't know if I believe we'll actually see Chara appear themselves in the game when playing DELTARUNE. This could just exclusively be lore relevant and only something that transpires behind the scenes that we don't see much of in the actual game.
As you said, Kris literally has the exact same traits as Chara, so Chara's technically already in Deltarune.
I, personally, think that kris and chara have distinct enough personalities to make them separate characters.
@@davidturner1595 they have lived different lives
Also kris likes chocolate proven
@@spamtoniumg I know
Gaster makes a thousand times more sense to be in Deltarune over Chara or any other character; everything about the game has essentially felt like build-up to Gaster and the reveal of the impact he's had on both universes. It would feel ridiculously strange to not elaborate on him, essentially since we know very little (and very little has been explicitly confirmed). Of all friendly, goofy UT/DR characters, Gaster is the rare exception when it comes to personalities; he is seemingly completely serious and dark, thus making him the perfect antipode of what has been a comical two chapters thus far. After all, Deltarune has been stated on numerous occasions to be a waaay darker game than Undertale. Deltarune likely only has one ending because the entire game itself allows the events of Undertale to happen. This is supported by Clam Girl telling Frisk that Suzy "may be responsible for why [the player] came to the underground in the first place". Clam Girl is later revealed to be a Gaster Follower, thus implying that the earlier conversation might have involved Gaster's greater knowledge on the world and the events that came before it, likely Deltarune being a AU prequel.
In a story, some things are okay to be kept open for interpretation, but Gaster's presence is so colossally large that it would be a major blue-ball to not elaborate on him entirely. If you disagree, you do not fully understand the scope of his character, and I IMPLORE you to dig deeper and re-examine the games and their secrets. You are not doing yourself a favor by ignoring such carefully crafted foreshadowing. Even a single line of dialogue can have greater meaning, and there is plenty of it involving him.
Chara's story has been more or less wrapped up, and there's nothing else mysterious about them. What's more interesting, however, is that we don't know anything about demons in the universe of UT/DR. Kris is likely to be possessed by both the Player and a demon (if you think about the true meaning of the Delta Rune, both symbols can be interpreted as an angel and a demon inhabiting a SOUL). Kris is a lot like Chara, and also seems to despise humans. We'll likely get our answers about Chara through Kris and what the Demons are/doing.
Toby seems to know how interested people are in Gaster. This is evident through hisTwitter posts. Gaster is possibly the most anticipated part of this game, and it'll be a treat to hear Toby finally talk about his development when the game is complete.
I didn't think it was possible to agree with a video this much. Every point was exactly the same thing I was thinking. Great video!
I wished you mentioned the lines of text found in the code of undertale that appear to be Chara speaking with another person (presumably Gaster or the red soul). The text goes: "Greetings. You have made yourself completely clear. Understood. I, your humble servant, will follow you to the utmost..."
This is what made me, and many others, believe that chara is the second speaker in the beggining of ch1. We are not a 100% certain of what Chara is, so I don't think we can claim that they have absolutely no way of leaving the world of undertale, and joining Gaster in the world of deltarune.
I personally believe that a post game chara is more than capable of leaving the world of undertale and joining Gaster in his unknown endeavors, because they essentially finished what they had to do, whether you think they have to stay in that world or not, because there's nothing stopping us from believing that Gaster, a metaphysical being, can make Chara similar to him.
There's a lot of leeway in these theories actually, and honestly, everything you claim is 100% certain, really isn't, which you admitted in your final point about Toby being the one making the rules.
Overall this was a good video but I think to try and disprove a popular theory without mentioning one of the biggest reasons people believe in it (the lines of code), is kinda short-sighted. I think being open to different ideas and theories makes the theorizing a lot more fun.
And it's super fun to believe that Chara is Gasters little helper, whether it seems illogical or whatnot, it's a fun idea and could totally work. Toby Fox is a more than competent writer and can make something that seems ridiculous, turn out completely plausible.
Man you are being more active and still keeping the quality of your videos. Keep like that man.
Thank you so much!
Great video! You're points were very well articulated and the analogy you use was nice. While I agree that Chara doesn't necessarily have any reason to be in Deltarune, I'd still think it would be nice to just see them in a cameo just cuz I like them as a character.
I think gaster probably has the same reason as toby fox for making players go through the whole process of creating a character, only to discard it. He wanted us to get a taste of what its like to be promised a meaningful choice, only for it to be taken away. He`s trying to set the tone, to shape our expectations as we are sent into this new world. I would even say that the lines leading to the end of the sequences very much seems like hes having fun at our expense, describing how great and wonderful our creation is, knowing full well that he is going to throw it all away.
I LOVE this interpretation. I also want to point out this is exactly the same thing that happened to Gaster; he was created, given thoughts, life, etc, only to be discarded.
I've been watching since your first video and I have to say I really enjoy your writing analysis oriented approach to DeltaRune content which is really refreshing in a community full of fanon and theorycrafting about the same subject over and over. Keep up the great work here
Kris already has 90% of the traits of Chara, so why would multiples of the same character be written into a story when its unnecessary?
why not?
@@wyattmurphy7153
Adding redundant characters into a story over-complicates the story and makes things confusing for no reason.
If they already added a bunch of the characters from undertale, why wouldn't they make Kris similar to one of the characters from undertale as well?
Kris does not have 90% of chara's traits. Its more like 10%.
@@do0nv real, kris is more than a chara parallel
All of your videos so far are great! I'm glad to see another quality deltarune theorist pop up
3:45 eh, the translation is mostly overseen and done by Toby fox himself as he knows Japanese, so I personally think is okay to use it in theories
Also I personally think the person who cuts off gaster is Susie, as Susie is the one person who enforces your choices don't matter the most, and actively stops you from making choices. I believe it is Susie from a future chapter doing it.
Also deltarune is based on the undertale time-line, only a bit more ahead in the future. What I mean is if a character is in undertale they are the same age+a few years in deltarune, so if chara was in deltarune they would be a decrepit only person on the brink of death as they would be over 100 years old.
Asriel ages the same amount as Chara, the aging thing only applies if a monster has a dead child or dead parents. Toriel and Asgore are still alive, meaning Asriel and Chara in this universe would age the same amount. Also, 201X is when Chara fell, not Frisk. This implies that it's a few years after 201X, maybe 202X. Meaning, Chara could exist in Deltarune.
No, Deltarune cannot take place in the future, nor in the past, it is an alternate timeline completely by itself.
In Undertale the year 201X is when Chara drops into the underground, and presumably dies soon after as Asriel does, then, years later is when Frisk falls, it is implied that nearly no one in the underground during the time of the events in Undertale had seen a human before, meaning it had probably been a few decades since the last human fell, at this point it would be safe to assume it has been well over 100 years since Chara fell.
In Deltarune however, Asriel is in college, meaning that he's likely no older than 21, but in Undertale's events this would be impossible, as Asriel is meant to be well over 100+ years old, so logically, Deltarune could be in the past, except that obviously characters like Undyne and Alphys logically shouldn't have even been born yet, which reinforces that Deltarune is just a seperate timeline, one that isn't necessarily based on Undertale's, as the timeline would make zero sense.
Either way I'm pretty sure there's a calendar somewhere in Deltarune that seems to imply the year is 202X but this really changes nothing about what I said, none of the characters ages really check out, as if Undyne and Alphys are born, Asriel would have to be well over 100 years old, so there is no real logic to it, Chara could be in undertale as a 20 something year old, but like the video says there's no real point for Chara to be in Deltarune unless some plot point in the next chapters make it so, but until then Chara is irrelevant to Deltarune, for all we know they could be dead, missing, attending college with Asriel, or not even exist, it's completely irrelevant.
Its safe to assume that when susie finds Out about the player controling kris she Will be mad, so i dont see why she would do that, if anything she would make us use the vessel to free kris from us
that’s a different CHARActer!
Well,even if i don't see any way for a spirit chara to be in deltarune,i must point out a few things,first is kris's interest in summoning demons,even if he could have summoned us,or noone at all,second is,even if the times don't seem to be right,a traumatized chara who never went to the underground and escaped feom the reason she webt there could be interesting.
i feel silly for never realizing that kris has pretty much all the traits of chara as described in undertale's flashbacks/true lab vhs tapes. their affinity for chocolate and knives should have been a dead giveaway
@@Nuva_ they looks like a fusion of frisk and Chara really xd
(Obviously this is a joke)
@@gonerdenji back before deltarune came out, there was an unused sprite in undertale's files that looked kind of like if chara and frisk had been combined. fans dubbed the character "chisk" and i saw a decent amount of fanart of them back in the day. when deltarune came out and i saw kris for the first time, chisk was the first thing i thought of lol
@@gonerdenji the "chisk" im referring to is the one with orange skin, no eyes, and a yellow and green shirt btw. you can find it in the trivia section of chara's wiki page. i forgot there was another fan character that was also named chisk that has a 😐 face..
If Chara were to exist in Deltarune, there is one way I can think that could make some form of sense. So it's obvious Kris is meant to embody Chara in many ways, from their shirt color, hair style, personality, and preferences. Though I like to think that even with all those facts, they are actually Deltarune's version of Frisk, which is a theory posed by the CZcamsr JaruJaruJ. The main reasons for this is that Kris shares the same skin and hair color of Frisk, their name being an almost anagram of Frisk, and their unfeeling face expression. What I think is that Kris is meant to be a mixture of both Frisk and Chara from Undertale.
Basically Kris is Deltarune's version of Frisk, with this one living the life Chara did in Undertale, with some slight character modifications since this is a parallel universe. With that logic, their should be a Deltarune version of Chara that lived the life Frisk would've in Undertale, while also possessing some of Frisk's core character traits, whatever they might've been if we never controlled them.
Though this is a theory not really rooted in stuff we see in the actual game, and mooches off someone else's. This was a really nice video, and I can't wait to see more!!!
Temmy chang, the one who did the art for both undertale and deltarune once asked by someone on the internet about chara stuff in deltarune and she answered that "chara is chill"
@@fandubindo1891 source?
10:00 Ahh, I was typing up a response exactly like yours about it not thematically making sense for them to hop universes.
I feel like a DT version of Chara who's just a friend Asriel has when he's off at college would be nice without tying into the lore, as seeing them happily living in that universe as opposed to their death in the UT world would be nice. Just a sentence when he gets back, "I miss hanging out with Chara, but being back home is nice." and that's that. I wouldn't want them added in a more significant role because I feel like it takes away from our DT counterparts who deserve the spotlight.
Also, if he adds the namedrop, people will immediately latch onto it despite being a red herring and that would be funny (for a while before it becomes overused) xD I feel like that would be a very Toby thing to do. People would have video titles like How DT Chara Is Pulling All The Strings And Kicked Your Puppy Despite Being Literally 3000 Miles Away
I agree with most of your reasoning, though I do think that forming theories based on Deltarune's Japanese translation is actually a valid approach. It's been made pretty clear that Toby's involvement with it goes far beyond what you normally see. He previously worked very closely with the same translator on Undertale, to the point of explaining obscure references and offering suggestions on how to adapt things that don't translate easily. As far as I'm concerned, there can be little doubt that the translator was told precisely who is speaking during Deltarune's intro. If there is a shift in the writing style of the last lines, then that does indeed make it more likely that this was a second person. Or it could just be something similar to how Sans changes the way he talks when he turns serious.
Another thing I'd like to point out is that you seem to have overlooked one possible way Chara could be involved in Deltarune. Namely, if Kris literally is the Deltarune version of Chara. Characters who exist in both universes have so far been shown to be largely similar at their core, yet with plenty of deviations due to the different lives they've had. When compared to Chara, Kris appears to be like that as well. You've mentioned many of these similarities yourself. It's very clear that Kris is meant to serve as some sort of Deltarune counterpart to Chara (and as you explained, if they're merely a symbolic counterpart, then they seem to render Chara rather redundant in the Deltarune universe and make them unlikely to also have a role there), so who's to say Kris can't literally be them?
Of course, they don't share the same name, but the Undertale character never actually had that strong of a connection to the name Chara to begin with. The only reason we call them that is because the game tells us it's "the true name," but it lets us give them almost any other name as well. That could very well just have been an in-joke aimed at the fact that Toby used this name on his own test playthroughs as a generic placeholder name. Since we don't have the authority to decide their name in Deltarune, it should be possible for them to have a different one there. Or barring all that, one could also theorize that in the Deltarune universe, their biological parents never got to name them, so they got the name Kris either from an orphanage or from the Dreemurrs.
Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying that Kris actually is Chara. Just that I don't see why they couldn't be. And I'm not sure it would actually make that much of a difference if they're literally or just figuratively Chara's Deltarune counterpart.
Another high quality theory. Happy to see you upload more often. Keep it up!
0:27 Of course yes. Because he's literally named Spider-Man. The question wasn't about whether this name suits him or not.
Kris feels more like Frisk than Chara to me. They have similar names, and a similar appearance. So I think Kris take from both Frisk and Chara. Although considering Deltarune was conceptualized before Undertale, it’s possible Frisk and Chara took after elements from Kris.
I say Kris is Frisk.
Kris absolutely isn't Frisk. Keep in mind that Frisk looking/being like the FALLEN HUMAN ("Chara") is a plot point in Undertale. The entire reason why Flowey (Asriel) wants to obtain 7 human souls and reset the world forever and ever so he can continue to play with the FALLEN HUMAN ("Chara"). It's only later that Asriel recognizes that Frisk isn't the FALLEN HUMAN.
Kris being the Deltarune version of the FALLEN HUMAN makes so much sense it not being the case would be a deliberate subversion of expectations. The backstory lines up too perfectly.
When you joked about there being two Gasters, I don't think you're too far off. Gaster's theme is called in the data mus_st_him and the character creation OST is called ANOTHER HIM.
I am very hyper-focused on the 'another' bit. Implying that there is a second Gaster. Or perhaps even two in Deltarune, if Undertale has crossed over.
This would explain why Gaster has suddenly become more important in history and It would make the character of Gaster Undertale stay untouchable
I always think more interesting than theorizing if Chara is in Deltarune is if Kris is arguably this alternate world's Chara then why are they the only character who has a different name and more noticeably different design than their counterpart?
If Kris is just supposed to be a mix of Chara and Frisk the... Well yeah that'd explain it (in UT they're already two in the same body, so making the alternate version of them a fusion of the two would make sense)
It has been a while since i last saw a good chara theory video. I want yo hape this will be one.
Very cool video, I can’t wait for the next one!
about what tobyfox said 5:42 yeah if I choose the pacifist route the monsters live happily in the surface and if I choose neutral route they stay trap in the underground but in the genocide route the world get destroyed and chara use my soul to restart and create a new world
especially because this game deals so heavily with separate timelines there are so many ways this can be taken. to me it seems like toby was clearly being deliberately vague, OP and others are in denial over it
i'm so glad i found this channel, your analysis of deltarune and its character and universe is just what my little hyper-fixated adhd heart needed
Great video! Fully agree with your initial points about the typer value and about the Japanese text in the intro.
Since you mentioned Susie twice, it's not a stretch at all. There's a cut alternate version of that intro where she actually is speaking, with her normal typer value even.
I've posted this somewhere else, but the statement saying that "No one can choose who they are in this world.", is very much something that Susie would say while in the negative mindset she was in during most of Chapter 1.
The screen itself also resembles the flashbacks seen in Undertale. Susie and Kris do have a history, based on Noelle's Spamton Sweepstakes posts. We might learn more of Kris' and Susie's past in Chapter 3.
Chara, Kris, I really liked the tidbits of the original Dreemur adopted child. I think "Them" and Kris are the same base person. But I really like Kris, you know? The prankster, lil bit creepy chocolate loving kid from Undertale. And the original child from undertale didn't really wish harm to their family (and humans tend to be assess so...). And I also really like Kris.
I cant help but find them too simmilar, like two aspects of the same person.
this video is great, and i totally agree with you!
invest in a pop filter though the “p”’s stand out (also the wrong X’s were a bit loud too) but UR DOING GREAT
Hm, very fair and valid points and opinions, i guess we’ll see what will be the case.
3:18 Why am I ALWAYS reminded of this?!?!?!?!
To me Kris is our Chara stand in, and more obviously explores the relationship we had with Chara in undertale.
Chara’s personality changes depending on what we force them (and to an extent Frisk). We see this in the narration that they do depending on the routes. This ofc is the Narrator Chara theory but not every player, or even casual players, will pick up in this and just assume the whole game it’s you and Frisk. With Chara being a manifestation that only exists in Genocide.
Deltarune essentially is removing the middle man. Just Us and Kris. No confusion of the control triangle of us, Chara, and frisk.
A motif of Deltarune and a thing with Chara’s character in genocide is the finality of choice. Chara locks us into the consequences of our actions, and Deltarune repeats how our choices don’t matter.
Could be interesting, as we know choice is becoming more important w the Weird Route, if the repeating of “your choices don’t matter” isn’t a meta dialogue pointed at us the players like we all think, but a meta dialogue pointed at Kris. Kris, for all intensive purposes, is possessed by us. Nothing they can do can get rid of us, and we are taking their ability to make choices away from them. They’re forced to sit there and do what we choose. Even if they try to make a choice to get away from us, it’s pointless as it seems they need us to stay alive/or something compels them to put us back in control. Regardless,
We are the demon that comes when people call it’s name.
For me it's not really the change in typer value that makes me think someone else said "will now be discarded". It just really seems like it, because the transition was very sudden and we hear a little beep before the music completely stops, as if someone is interrupting what's happening and taking over. If assuming Deltarune is an experiment by Gaster who looks over everything that happens, it seems like he didn't intend for the character to be discarded or possibly even for the player's soul to be put in Kris' body. However i'm still not that convinced that it's Chara who did this stuff. What let Chara to become a "demon" is specifically the result of everything that may happened in one timeline in the Undertale universe meaning Chara is probably in the Deltarune universe but as a completely different and irrelevant person.
Okay this may be a jump but what if in other chapters they in the aggressive or Genocide rount they can appear? After all chara is stats increasing but that May not happen
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you said precisely what I truly believe is the focus of deltarune and I couldn't be happier.
THANK YOU.
Ive always thought the second person in the intro (assuming it is another person which i kinda beleive) was kris, or more specifically its kris before being possessed by us, i know theres literally no evidence thats the case but thats just me
So glad you mentioned that Kris is essentially this universe's version of Chara! That's such an important fact people are missing. Kris, like Frisk, is a distinct person. They're essentially if Chara WASN'T named after us and wasn't us.
Chara is not us in undertale either. We merely gave them a name. Chara even tells us after a second genocide route "But,you and I are not the same,are we?"
you can make this same argument for any of the returning characters. Is Asgore still Asgore if he didn't murder all those humans? Is Alphys still Alphys without the guilt of what happened in the true lab weighing down on her? The answer is pretty consistently "YES", the only character who diverges significantly from their UT counterpart is Mettaton, but we know their personality is probably just the same as before they got their body.
As most of these characters all still have essentially the same personalities despite having experienced different lives, so I think its safe to say that in the context of Undertale or Deltarune, personal history does not matter for defining characters, there is probably some convergence of similar/equivalent events happening in the deltarune universe that keeps them behaving in a similar way. If chara were added as a character, the same would likely apply to them.
that said I don't expect Chara to return either.
I just want Everyman to have more of a role.
Yeah I think that settles it. Well done!
Toby on his way to add Asriel's deceased brother to chapter 3 and reveal Asriel (serial) dreemurr (murderer) was the killer in chapter 6 and have demon cara (not Chara) be the final boss of Deltarune in the goner vessel.
While I don't necessarily agree with your interpretations 100% of the time, your videos have been way better researched compared to most Deltarune theory channels. I took theories like Typer 2 representing Chara at face value, but it seems like I was wrong to do so
I still think there's two intro speakers, but that's mostly down to the style of speech rather than anything else. Regardless, great video
7:11 "For all we know we could travel to the world of undertale before the events of the game" *DELTATRAVELER INTESIFIES*
2:37
if its not meant as lore
then why is the intro speakers value 667 in the first place?
Gunna be dark.
If we assume Chara's life was the exact same as in Undertale, as they'd still live near Mt Ebott, they probably still did what they did, and if anything... What Asriel hinted at... HAPPENED.
Truth is we don't know if outside of the small community in Deltarune if anything else is that different, we only know that there is a Big City and that there is a university. So what happens to Chara, Frisk, or any of the other souls is just unknown.
Personally we will get a nod that Asriel met a person called Chara and that will be all.
The song that plays on the character creation screen is known as "anotherhim.ogg" and it shares notes with "Gaster's theme" from undertale. Also Gaster is heavily associated with the number 6, so much so that any number other than 6 is out of place. So the number 667 for the typer value doesn't really make sense if this is the Gaster that we know of.
I know that there’s no point to it but Kris being the deltarune version of Chara makes the most sense to me as they have pretty similar backstories, both humans who are raised as an adopted child by the Dreemurs. Kris is just a version of Chara who never had the reason to off themselves in order to give Asriel power so they just grow up to become Kris as we see them in Deltarune. Same character in different circumstances like how in Deltarune Undyne and Alphys don’t know each other
I agree
Honestly I would just like toby only give more development to the delta versions of the undertale characters that did not have much development and no more.
Outside of this topic, I would like to know your opinion of the theory of the third entity
I think the argument is that most characters while in the lightworld use Kana while in the darkworld use Kanji, so if you're saying that gaster just enters a darkworld to use a different japanese character type while talking to you then sure? But it seems more likely that its a different speaker interrupting than gaster taking a dive into the darkworld while talking. (haven't finnished the video yet so you might cover this)
Also for your point about Undertale chara, it could be kinda like a multiple timeline thing or something, Chara on genocide does say "lets destroy this world and MOVE ON TO THE NEXT" - and that can be interpreted as chara leaving undertale at some point DURING THE ENDING. meaning on the genocide route, UNDERTALE would be as you left it. Chara is barely involved in a pacifist ending, its not like you see any narration afterward so its quite possible chara left. On the neutral routes chara doesn't narrate the phone call. So long as you got an ending its possible chara just left for a period time to interfere in deltarune and then returned later, or maybe resetting made a copy of them? idk all i'm saying is that there are ways of them ending up in Deltarune.
I don't get your analogy. I mean, IF Kris is alt-Chara, then it's more a Spider-verse situation, where different spidermans has a differences, but also has a lot in common. We will see what does this mean, at the end of a story. But i doubt that Toby put all this things into that game for nothing, just as a funny but meaningless ommage to his previous game.
as a massive chara liker even i recognize my biggest chance at seeing them is asriel mentioning meeting them at college which i think even that has a fairly low chance due to what you said about kris largely filling their shoes
…but if it WERE to happen i would pog my dang socks off
I wanna say that while im not certain if chara will end up in deltarune and if they do it will most likely be something like another version that is different from the undertale version they say at the end of the genocide route that the feeling u get when u level up your stats that's apparently them so in that sense it could be her though like I said it could just be the deltarune version.
They also say that we'll be together forever so that could be talking about kris being the deltarune chara like u said
I kinda just...assumed..? Kris was Chara? Like how Toriel is Toriel or Asriel is Asriel.
But Kris isn't Undertale's Chara. Like you mentioned, Kris does not have the same backstory as UT Chara, which makes them different people.
I think the Chara and Asriel in Undertale are already waaay different from how they were before the main events of the game. Both of them were warped by their 'deaths.' We see more of what Flowey used to be, but not much of what Chara was (and whatever you do as a player seems to corrupt them too, as Frisk and Chara are linked.)
So Kris and Chara have some similar traits, like being troubled, having a close relationship with their Asriel, similar parental dynamics, etc, but we really don't know much and it kinda doesn't matter. All the characters are parallel versions, sure, but they are different.
As for the name change, I like to think a lore reason could be that Chara was the two characters original name given by (or would have been given by) their biological parents, while Kris was either chosen by Kris after being adopted, or given to them by Toriel/Asgore. As Kris has had more time with their family, and might have been adopted a lot younger than Ut Chara, this could be an explanation. Especially since we don't know what the situation is with the humans in Deltarune besides Kris, but it seems likely Kris didn't have good human parents or lost them as they were adopted by another family.
A logistics reason would be simply that Chara's name in Undertale wasn't set like Kris' and/or Toby didn't want to have players associate Kris immediately with the UT Chara ending, as that is Chara's most well known appearance I think. And the only time we see them in sprite form I think.
Super based!!
Gaster has always spoken in all caps, there's no evidence that Gaster discarded the vessel, why would he after creating it anway?
He was trolling
Perhaps, it was to make it clear to you that you have less control in the deltarune world than the undertale world?
Maybe he wanted to make it clear that your decisions are not as important as in undertale
Gawd I hope not...I still have jumpscare nightmares..
as WD Gasters name would imply he only speaks in wingdings and Aster(at the end of the fight against sans(who is believed to be Gasters son) his "Z"s are in Aster meaning the fonts in a skeletons full name are the fonts he could speak in) so unless WD Gasters middle name is some variation of "8bitoperator JVE" I highly doubt the person speaking at the beginning is Gaster... but other than that this was a pretty good theory video
gaster speaking with wingdings ingame would be extremely confusing from the player's perspective. imagine sitting through a 5 minute long intro sequence where it's impossible to understand the text. we know that gaster speaks in wingdings with all caps, and this character also speaks in all caps. their style of talking is also pretty much identical to gaster's. they break up words in sentences weirdly, repeat phrases like "very very interesting", and describe everything in a very analytical way
@@Tulip_bip but like I said his name contains 2 fonts why isn't the readable font(aster) in his name being used?
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It's possible that the aster part of his name isn't even true. We've never seen him use it before
I really want asriel to just bring chara home for the festival, introduce them as his roomate or smthn, and have them be in the background with just a few linrs of dialogues as a neat reference. Im just emotionally attached to chara and asriel as the doomed siblings ever and need them to be platonic soulmates in every universe sob
if kris is the deltarune chara, than you are the deltarune demon
I kind of want Chara to be in Deltarune, simply because they're the only character who doesn't have a happy ending, in ANY route.
Genocide - They get fully revived, yes, but they're soulless like Flowey was, so we can't consider this the "real Chara", just as we can't consider Flowey as Asriel.
Neutral - Nothing of note really happens with them here.
True Pacifist - They may or may not be around, based on what Flowey says to us. But they get left behind. Frisk, Papyrus, Undyne, Sans, Toriel, Asgore, all of monsterkind gets their happy ending. Even Flowey does. But not Chara, who is just... forgotten. Expected to be content with leaving behind everyone that they once knew and just never seeing them again.
This is the reason why I would want Chara to appear in Deltarune, even as a DR Variant and not the original Undertale version of them. Because I would like for them to have some kind of happy ending. Or maybe, considering Deltarune was planned first, Chara and Frisk were derived from Kris' personality, with Soulless Chara representing their worst traits and Frisk (and possibly actual human non-demon Chara?) being their better traits? So therefore if Kris does get a happy ending Chara will in spirit too?
TL;DR: I just want ALL the characters to have a happy ending. Chara is literally the only one in Undertale who doesn't get one.
(Made some minor edits so my points make more sense)
chara did essentially get their happy ending in the true pacifist since chara did want all of monsterkind to live on the surface, and even then they're dead unlike in the genocide ending where they get revived from your determination so they probably can't feel anything.
I still think Kris is the Deltarune version of Chara. People say that Chara has brown eyes instead of red but some months ago seemingly for no reason the Tarot Cards for Undertale where changed and Chara's eyes went from Brown to Red like Kris or their appearance at the end of Souless's pacifist. I know Merch isn't canon but I don't know why they would change Chara's eyes in the tarot card to red if it wasn't to confirm that they do in fact have red eyes.
The way i see chara is the character of the player. In undertale its the character that was adopted by the dreemours and (in the theory/headcanon i believe in) narrates frisks story. In deltarune we play as ourselves and the "chara" in the situation is yeah just us looking into kris's journey. a thing thats fun about it is that like during undertale we believe our character is frisk like we think we name them but the games like "um no thats frisk youre chara dumbass" and deltarune is also doing the "un no thats kris youre chara" but more elevated.
Tbh... I think people are looking in the wrong place to find where Chara is in Deltarune here...
If you remember in Undertale... Chara's name is determined by the player... so really "Chara" could not be their name at all for all we know but more of a placeholder kind of thing... Then here we are in Deltarune... controlling a human in a green and yellow striped shirt with brown hair (and red eyes), who was adopted by the Dremurrs, and has a fondness for chocolate and knives... Sound familiar to anyone?
Chara has brown eyes
@@MBdynamoBostik Chara is most often associated with having red eyes anyway, or really just the color red and determination, by the fandom, and Toby knows what the fandom does, so even if that info is wrong, it's still plausible.
Edit: Also that connection was my weakest one as we haven't properly seen Kris' eyes yet, just little red flashes.
Technically what you quoted from Toby only implies the events of Deltarune won't affect Undertale's story. It doesn't say don't worry about the characters from Undertate affecting Deltarune though.
The world is as you left it… doesn’t mean a character from a destroyed version of that world. A character who specifically left that world. Cannot re-appear.
chara will return or will not. it will be on toby to know what to do.
I DO think there's a second speaker in the intro, however I don't believe it's Chara, I feel like Gaster's text was already threatening enough, I don't know why Toby would change the font unless it was a different character speaking.
Honestly I think Deltarune Chara lived and died hundreds of years ago and is completely inconsequential to this story
My headcanon is that Deltarune takes place a few years later than Undertale in a timeline where the war never happened for a currently unknown reason. This is why characters like Catty, Bratty, Monster Kid, and Susie are older than their Undertale counterparts. And Asriel and Noelle were born way later because their parents are boss monsters and there was no war to pressure them into having kids earlier.
I also think that Kris is this timeline's Frisk, and that since they grew up with a loving and accepting family, they never felt a need to change their name. I think that Clam Girl in Undertale was foreshadowing Kris and Susie's friendship in another timeline when she said to Frisk that they felt like they should be friends with Susy and that they were around the same age. Especially since Clam Girl's a fun event and those can be weird.
This is all just my personal headcanon though and I can very easily be wrong. I just wanted to share how I interpret Deltarune.
Speaking from a personal perspective, I don't think most people (or at least, I don't) want Chara to literally be a character in Deltarune, in the sense of being a character we directly interact with or fight. However, I do think that given the implications of a completed genocide run in Undertale, where we give ourselves over to curiosity and the pursuit of power at any cost, I feel like it would be a missed opportunity to have the aftereffects of that decision (which literally has a file dedicated to it) not come back to haunt us in Deltarune, because we literally have, as per Chara's words, "moved on from this world to the next," and seeing as Chara cannot literally follow us into every subsequent game we play, I feel like having that decision carry on into a world not exactly, but quite similar to Undertale would be appropriate.
I know you can argue that Chara following you is meant to be more symbolic than literal, or that the Weird Route is a spiritual successor to UT genocide anyway, but idk, it seems to me more like a missed opportunity than totally conflicting with what Deltarune is going for.
honestly a different theory is refreshing, but i highly doubt the second narrator at the goner maker scene is the same as the first. they're distinguished for a reason. i dont think he would make them so different just as a throwaway detail. that's also why i think if he were to mention Chara in deltarune, it would be VERY significant!! also, as i see it, toby fox would never retcon ANYTHING. sure, the worlds of undertale and deltarune could (and likely do) have different rules, but once those rules are in place, toby fox DOES NOT break them.
we may not see the human chara but there's a possibility we would see the demon if there's some sort of genocide route
This guy's never heard of Web-Beard.
I mean, I've never seen Web-Beard snap his fingers to summon a building, but I wouldn't be surprised if he could. True, he's an obscure character, but when researching for a video you should probably make the minimal effort to research something. It took ten seconds (my computer is slow) to find a picture of a Spider-Man who is similar enough to the description (one who retains the Peter Parker name, as it's noteworthy that not all do) that the Construction Worker variant doesn't seem too unreasonable. In fact, since his power synergizes with Spider-Man's base powers, I doubt he'd be out of place in a Spiderverse... well, not movie, but a short if they had those.
Imagine a scene where the... oh what are they called, Arachno-Army? Spider-Squad? (looked it up) Web-Warriors have to chase down a giant robot or something then they get to the edge of the city and they all land on a donut shop, because they can't web-swing any further. Worried that they can't keep up, whichever Spidey is the main character of the episode begins an inspirational speech about not giving up hinting that they're going to just have to hoof it, but then a building appears out of nowhere. They all turn to see Yellow-Piratehat Spider-Man, he gives the finger guns, the rest all give nods of approval, main character sheepishly shuts the [hyperlink blocked] up and then YPSM snaps a few more buildings into existence. They leap off the donut shop and swing after the robot and the story continues as normal. If that happened, would anyone really bat an eyelash? Sure, it's out there, but is it as weird as Spider-Ham (who predates Spider-multiverse shenanigans)?
The point of my argument is this... if you haven't guessed it... in multiverse stories, if this counts as one... the fun is reimagining characters or at least recontextualizing them. I honestly wouldn't be surprised in either direction, but my first assumption was that Kris was this world's version of Chara... as soon as I saw them. Then when they rip out their own heart, I shifted to assume we were dealing with either a reimagining or something new... This doesn't really matter, but it's my bias. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that at some point in development you could insert a name to apply for Kris, but Toby decided "oh wait... that gives it away..." and ripped it back. At one point, in the secret evil mode, the character you go out of your way to traumatize mentions "a voice" that told her to do things... which is definitely the player, right? Well... sure, yes. I had to look this up, I thought that was what Chara referred to themself as, but that's "that feeling" which is... well... I'm not sure how that's different, I guess I'll think on that. Whether or not that's similar enough, time will tell.
Either way, Peter Parker is not Peter Parker who is not Peter Parker who is not Peter Porker or is not Peter Parker, but in a sense, they really are all the same. Toriel is teacher, not a queen. Asgore is a florist, not a king. Undyne is a... well, bad example... Alphys is also a teacher, not a researcher. Sans is a Janitor, not a... a... uh... ... ... hm...
TL;DR: There's no actual point to this argument, just me saying that I don't really agree with the vid that's apparently over half a year old.
I mean what happens if we make our allies gain lvl's. Noelle gains a lvl in snowgrave, Chara was brought on due to the amount of xp and lvl...Maybe not Chara but another demon could be conjured if we try to kill and gain lvl's throughout the chapters. I don't think it would change the ending but more affect the journey towards the ending.
Man i think there also wouldn't have any good way to bring Chara back, like, if they we're the Knight for example, it would be kind of predictable since we assume she was bad, and most of the other way would just a come back from a fan favorite CHARActer, so yeah they shall be left in Undertale...
but what about Frisk...?
Same as Chara.
I think the reason why most people think chara will appear in deltarune is because in the genocide route they say “let us destroy this pointless world and move on too the next”
It's unlikely, but still possible
Maybe the second voice is Kris, and he has a soul that he summoned/found and telling it nah you're just me XD
overall I feel like toby doesnt care too much about chara as much as the fandom seems to care about them.
i think who they were supposed to be was literally what they said they were: your interaction with a game world. It's why they're the stats, it's why they're the narrator. I don't think they as a person matter all that much, as dear as I hold them to my heart. It's why they never have a name in merch, it's why Toby won't even make merch of them. I think they are meant to be more of a literary device than much of their own character ^^;;; which is something Kris seems to subvert. anyways I'm rambling!!!
Im sure this may be wrong but i believe that chara is kris, that tbh is kinda a absurd theory but i think we are the heart of the body controlling charas movements if this dumb theory is true give me a gold star if not well 💀
I would say: in the same way that deltarune is a spiritual successor to Undertale, Kris is also a "spiritual successor" to Chara in this other game.
For as much as I love to imagine Chara being in the same room as Grandpa Gaster
I always found the idea weird that Chara is in Deltarune because Kris is supposed to be a Chara stand-in
nice teiory
I have a simpler theory:
This is probably the same universe as undertale since we have sans, asgore, toriel and gaster. And if gaster exists, it’s probably before undertale and if that’s the case, chara can’t be there, they aren’t alive yet
For that Spider-Man example, I don’t personally see that. All the Undertale characters would fall into this boat if you think about it. For example, if Papyrus were the knight, a theory with quite a bit of evidence, then how would it be Papyrus if he doesn’t have the same motivations and everything. Just because a character has different a motivation or past from another version of them doesn’t make them a necessarily different character. In reality, a person is going to change so much from when they are 3 to when they are 40. This is all my interpretation and I’m not saying you didn’t do a good job. Just that I disagree with your theory but still respect it
Chara is the narrator of ut and Dr so what if it's river person and gaster is a broken entity river person my be a form of gaster
I easily see a purpose for Chara. If the Angel is the godlike being that taking the 7 souls is supposed to make, what better power is there to take the Angel down than the Demon that comes when you call it's name?
I don’t get how people don’t see that Kris is a combination of the 3 undertale humans, the unused human, frisk, and chara, just look at their head and you can see traits taken from all 3, really you the player are more like chara by being the red soul
Honestly, I agree with this sentiment. Sometimes I think it's really important to just separate Deltarune from Undertale. From what I know, Toby may have been working on Deltarune even before Undertale (I think he mentioned the idea existed before Undertale came to be?) so it's very likely that Chara being in here ain't the case.
But something that I just love thinking about as an idea, not necessarily a theory, is Kris being the Player of Undertale. Why? Them and their brother kinda made Undertale in-lore, is it not like that? I just like the meta part of it and it would be fascinating if the demon summoning Kris had done (potentially) has some connections to it, but that's as far as I'm willing to go. I have no clue what direction Toby is gonna go in, none of us can know, but I like thinking about the alternate concept of Kris being possessed by a demon who they summoned through coding in and playing the Genocide route in their own game.
FINALLY. FINALLY SOMEOne who understands that Chara, if they were put into Deltarune, would not be the same person. Circumstances and experiences make the person. No one is predetermined to be anything, no one's personality is set in stone nor is it a projection of a "soul" (not related to Undertale or Deltarune, in general). Organisms are shaped by the environment, circumstances and other organisms around them, if a direct copy of you as an infant was put in another family, you and them would be completely different people, even if you were direct copies. So, big preesh for that statement. Alphys (Undertale) and Alphys (Deltarune), for example, are two completely different people.
bad comparison at the end because they're super similar.
“Chara” *Is* in deltarune
May I ask something? Since you metioned post-pacifist Chara, what are your thoughts on the narrachara theory?
characters seem to only use Kanji in the dark world
I think chara is woody personally
Maybe chara got stuck in Kris’s body like in undertale? Idk just a random thought
I mean based on the first thing you say the answer is obviously no its not spiderman. so its not chara.
I think the problem with Chara is they don’t actually make any sense in Undertale’s story imo. Like, if they are just a kid who had a bad life and fell into the underground, then how are they a physical manifestation of “leveling up” in video games? Were they always like this? Did they become like this though you killing monsters? How does that work? When they fused with Asriel, did they do so out of a genuine attempt to help the monsters, or to get revenge? Or a bit of both? Are they the narrator?
People expect Chara in deltarune because deltarune seems to be setting up explanations for some of the unanswered questions in Undertale, albeit from the perspective of a whole new story. Gaster being the obvious example.
But honestly, I think chara will never be fully explained. They are an interpretable character, one who you decide on what their meaning is. And by that I mean you make up fanon and go flame wars with people with different fanon.
1. chara is the narrator, i’m gonna call canon on it, evidence being they translate monster dialogue and recall memories that frisk or the player couldn’t have possibly known, for instance the cutscene during asriel’s fight that plays, that’s chara recalling them falling down
2. in the no mercy run, the player is essentially dragging chara on an offing spree, so when they talk about stuff like love, exp, gold etc, they are expressing the role that you the player have assigned to them, and they became a mere asset to the player, in order to give a helping hand when needed in the no mercy run
3. when asriel absorbs chara’s soul and get attacked by humans, chara tried to take control as they don’t want asriel to die, and wouldn’t want their efforts to free monster kind to be for nothing, i don’t think it was for revenge, but i wouldn’t blame them if that was the case, chara did not go through with this plan with an ulterior motive, they loved the dreemurrs
chara makes alot of sense to undertale, and are the driving force of the narrative, depending on the choices of the player, you ultimately decide their fate and what their outcome will be, their story doesn’t have to be explicit and in your face for it to make sense, the linear storyline in undertale is one of its strongest elements
I'm pretty sure Kris is Chara in the same way that Deltarune Toriel is Undertale Toriel. They are similar characters in completely different settings.