Update: the issue in this video turns out to be normal behavior for a 2600. Behringer responded to me that they’ll fix the error in their documentation.
I am not alone! Have had my blue one for a week and studied the lower features today. Thought the external clock input was defective, but luckily found this video within a minute. Greetings from Germany🇩🇪🤝
It's a bug in the manual, and possibly an Arp design flaw as well. The original Arp 2600 is indeed hardwired exactly the way you experience here. It's insane, makes the whole block unusable most of the time.
Regarding to the original service manual, this is expected product behaviour and the original circuitry. The external clock is feeded after the Electronic Switch Circuit.
@@RubenHulzebosch In fairness you would naturally expect an external clock signal to override the entire internal S&H clock, but if it doesn't and never did with the original either, then yes the documentation is wrong.
Interestingly, the panel printing on the orange faced 2601 from the late 70s is different to the Behringer and the older black face 2600. It shows internal clock routed past the ext clock in and going to the clock out Jack, with a line going off it, through the ext clock in and into the sample and hold. So that looks to me like they knew in 1977 that this behaviour was not what is shown on the panels of the black face 2600. The block diagram in the Korg 2600 manual seems to back this up. At least it’s not just me. The question is, how would you sync the internal clock with something? Is it even possible?
@@northerntao You have to put it in just right - there is a mod out there that allows it to be done properly, but that's for the TTSH/original 2600. Wonder if it can be done on this version.
@@AshBashVids Yes, I was reading about that. Hoping it can be done on the B2600 too. Funny that Behringer shows it as a feature in their manual. Seems like an obvious improvement they could/should make, like the extra waveforms on VCO3 and the 5V gate.
Thanks for a very useful video! I was thinking that the clock is defective... I still think it is, but not just on my unit. I'd prefer Behringer to try to improve the 2600 rather than fix the manual. :-)
If you are bringing in a square wave, from outside, you have one side of the switch anyway. Invert it to get the other side. Patch those 2 sources instead of the internal clock. Think of the switch as an extra LFO where nothing is plugged into the Switch Source. When you have something else plugged in, it will redirect it to the 2 output, or it can be set up to work in reverse (alternate between 2 inputs)
Thanks, now it’s clear. I notice this just a day after getting my 2600 so I sent a ticket to Thomann with a video explaining the issue and...they told me the unit was wrong, so they will change it for a new one. The manual is wrong and the technical service doesn’t know.
the manual is very clear, "ext clock in" broke the s/h internal connection clock for the s/h, it dont change the internal clock , it is not for the switch, the manual says clearly that the siwtich is connected to the internal clock; so this in not an issue
Same issue here with the Korg ARP 2600 M. Tried sending clock signal from both Arturia Keystep Pro and Moog DFAM. However, the EXT clock input works for pitch modulation on the 3 oscillators.
I might be wrong but... What about sending a mult of the EXT clock source to the EXT Clock IN of the S/H and the S/H clock input of the envelope? You can exploit the design "flaw" so the internal clock can control the Switch independently?
Ahhh....I love the internet. Got mine just a week ago (after a long time of consideration due to eurorack GAS - so much gear, so little time) - love it and thought that mine is broken 😀 Thanks for the video!
You could get some way there by multing your external clock to the sample and hold, and both envelopes’ gate inputs.....but this wouldn’t fix the issue with the electronic switch. Does the internal clock sync to midi?
Someone on the Behringer 2600 fb group says LFO does not sync with MIDI and that MIDI only triggers notes and pitch bend. I'm waiting on a Blue Marvin, so I'm relying on the response from that group answer.
@@juanmico4085 30 years I’ve had synths. I’ve never been more confused than I am in front of this 2600. I’m trying to use the 100 patches book from ARP and there is so much I don’t understand. Patching inverted filters into the outputs of oscillators? I can hear it makes a noise, but I don’t know why!
@@juanmico4085 yes, I saw that. Different to the original 2600 there. I’ve just noticed the gate and trig in on the AR on the Behringer are outputs on the ARP. There are a few interesting differences.
Listening to all the video's of the Behringer version just makes me wish I had pre ordered the Korg remake instead of over thinking it. If Korg announced another batch now I would not hesitate. Unfortunately I don't think they will.
@@phazerbrains Having a KARP 2600 ,and can by ear say that you are right ,they doesn´t sound alike.Have ordered a BARP too, so in about 8-10 weeks time i will be able to judge myself by comparing.And i have had a TTSH and think that was more close to original than this Behringer......
@@mikaelschloenzig9590 Agree. It is easily heard even on youtube videos - go to the Kraft Karp demo.. As for the TTSH, it is probably closer to the original than even the Karp as it is the closest to the original circuitry replicated with through-hole components.
I am not alone! Have had my blue one for a week and studied the lower features today. Thought the external clock input was defective, but luckily found this video within a minute. Greetings from Germany🇩🇪🤝
Exactly what I wanted to see. Thanks for this, well explained.
Thank you for this video. I just tought that my external clock input socket is broken, but you showed me that it is not :-)
It's a bug in the manual, and possibly an Arp design flaw as well. The original Arp 2600 is indeed hardwired exactly the way you experience here. It's insane, makes the whole block unusable most of the time.
Just received my 2600 and Behringer changed the orange diagram on the INT CLOCK.
Regarding to the original service manual, this is expected product behaviour and the original circuitry. The external clock is feeded after the Electronic Switch Circuit.
ah good to know.
then I guess Behringers documentation is wrong.
@@RubenHulzebosch In fairness you would naturally expect an external clock signal to override the entire internal S&H clock, but if it doesn't and never did with the original either, then yes the documentation is wrong.
@@user-qf4zs6qj4c fair enough. I never owned an original 2600 though, so naturally I believed B's manual :D
@@RubenHulzebosch not surprised about that ;)
I've got mine on order, hopefully receive it in January. These are interesting features to make creative use of.
Interestingly, the panel printing on the orange faced 2601 from the late 70s is different to the Behringer and the older black face 2600. It shows internal clock routed past the ext clock in and going to the clock out Jack, with a line going off it, through the ext clock in and into the sample and hold. So that looks to me like they knew in 1977 that this behaviour was not what is shown on the panels of the black face 2600. The block diagram in the Korg 2600 manual seems to back this up. At least it’s not just me. The question is, how would you sync the internal clock with something? Is it even possible?
I find leaving the patch cable half way out makes the switch sync with external clock - not ideal, but handy nonetheless
Ya, this sort of works. czcams.com/video/mVblcVWAwBE/video.html
@@northerntao You have to put it in just right - there is a mod out there that allows it to be done properly, but that's for the TTSH/original 2600. Wonder if it can be done on this version.
@@AshBashVids Yes, I was reading about that. Hoping it can be done on the B2600 too. Funny that Behringer shows it as a feature in their manual. Seems like an obvious improvement they could/should make, like the extra waveforms on VCO3 and the 5V gate.
WOW Thank you for this tip, found this video frustrated with what seemed like a bug, happy to just solve it this way. Every synth has it's quirks!
@@AshBashVidsAmazing! This halfway-out trick works on my Behringer 2600.
Thanks for a very useful video! I was thinking that the clock is defective... I still think it is, but not just on my unit. I'd prefer Behringer to try to improve the 2600 rather than fix the manual. :-)
If you are bringing in a square wave, from outside, you have one side of the switch anyway. Invert it to get the other side. Patch those 2 sources instead of the internal clock. Think of the switch as an extra LFO where nothing is plugged into the Switch Source. When you have something else plugged in, it will redirect it to the 2 output, or it can be set up to work in reverse (alternate between 2 inputs)
Thanks, now it’s clear. I notice this just a day after getting my 2600 so I sent a ticket to Thomann with a video explaining the issue and...they told me the unit was wrong, so they will change it for a new one. The manual is wrong and the technical service doesn’t know.
The new one will have the exact same "issue".
the manual is very clear, "ext clock in" broke the s/h internal connection clock for the s/h, it dont change the internal clock , it is not for the switch, the manual says clearly that the siwtich is connected to the internal clock; so this in not an issue
Leaving the patch cable half way out does the trick. Why, I don't know.
Same issue here with the Korg ARP 2600 M. Tried sending clock signal from both Arturia Keystep Pro and Moog DFAM. However, the EXT clock input works for pitch modulation on the 3 oscillators.
Same here on mine. Try to trigger the adsr with the intClockOut from the S&H unit.
I might be wrong but... What about sending a mult of the EXT clock source to the EXT Clock IN of the S/H and the S/H clock input of the envelope? You can exploit the design "flaw" so the internal clock can control the Switch independently?
Ahhh....I love the internet. Got mine just a week ago (after a long time of consideration due to eurorack GAS - so much gear, so little time) - love it and thought that mine is broken 😀 Thanks for the video!
You could get some way there by multing your external clock to the sample and hold, and both envelopes’ gate inputs.....but this wouldn’t fix the issue with the electronic switch. Does the internal clock sync to midi?
Someone on the Behringer 2600 fb group says LFO does not sync with MIDI and that MIDI only triggers notes and pitch bend. I'm waiting on a Blue Marvin, so I'm relying on the response from that group answer.
I wonder how come they didn't incorporate midi clock through the usb port for sync
I have a feeling there will be no firmware update
I see you have a new profession Agent Smith
Can anyone tell me if their vibrato depth goes to the pitch of all oscillators without patching? It does on mine!
Yes. That's how it's supposed to work.
@@juanmico4085 thanks. I noticed I can break the connection by sticking a cable in to the vibrato in and then only send it where I want it to go.
@@danpreston564 Also Osc 1 has it by default as a mod source (LFO) if you want to affect that one only.
@@juanmico4085 30 years I’ve had synths. I’ve never been more confused than I am in front of this 2600. I’m trying to use the 100 patches book from ARP and there is so much I don’t understand. Patching inverted filters into the outputs of oscillators? I can hear it makes a noise, but I don’t know why!
@@juanmico4085 yes, I saw that. Different to the original 2600 there. I’ve just noticed the gate and trig in on the AR on the Behringer are outputs on the ARP. There are a few interesting differences.
Es así!!! El original es igual!!!
Y a mi Korg 2600 M le pasa lo mismo también.
Listening to all the video's of the Behringer version just makes me wish I had pre ordered the Korg remake instead of over thinking it.
If Korg announced another batch now I would not hesitate.
Unfortunately I don't think they will.
I agree. Doesn't really sound much like a 2600 to my ears.
@@phazerbrains Having a KARP 2600 ,and can by ear say that you are right ,they doesn´t sound alike.Have ordered a BARP too, so in about 8-10 weeks time i will be able to judge myself by comparing.And i have had a TTSH and think that was more close to original than this Behringer......
@@mikaelschloenzig9590 Agree. It is easily heard even on youtube videos - go to the Kraft Karp demo.. As for the TTSH, it is probably closer to the original than even the Karp as it is the closest to the original circuitry replicated with through-hole components.
Does it work correctly with midi clock?
no same behavior
@@RubenHulzebosch Thats a shame. Typical Behringer.
@@phazerbrains not typical Behringer, it's how a 2600 is cabled, typical 2600.
@@hpa4355 It can't be "typical 2600" - 2600 doesn't have midi.......
@@phazerbrains it doesn't have to do anything with midi. It is the way a 2600 behaves with external clocks, not matter the brand.
Like +++++
this unit sounds great but it has an lot of timing issues.
...there isn't any timing issues. This external clock behaviour was an issue on the original ARP 2600 too.