My Defense is VERY Similar to Wing Chun
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2023
- 0:34 - Defending Straight Punches
3:13 - Defending Circular Punches
7:09 - Hand Control / Sticky Hands
10:48 - Second Line of Defence
12:32 - Countering the Counter
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Thanks for exchanging ideas with me Jeff!!! It was really fascinating seeing the similarities and differences of how we both use small direct movements for deflection and counters based on our starting hand positions.
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you were so awesome, both so passionate and infoormative
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Sifu Nate is a very humble guy such a cool collab. And who doesnt love the long guard that somehow reminds us those old school English boxers and Okinawa-Te stances
love Sifu Nate!!
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Long guard is awesome and is particularly useful bareknuckle.
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So why no bareknuckle conmpetitors are using it😂
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Wing chun blocks/interceptions are quite useful but most of the time it fails because most wing chun guys are too robotic. Jeff Chan is definitely more fluid and could probably perform WC techniques much better than traditional WC practitioners.
Better than some wc practitioners, I know wc guys that are really fluid as well.
Problem with alot wing chuners is they don't spar.
I bet if they sparred enough it wouldn't be so robotic!
Abslotutely right, they become very riggid from keeping structure which has it place, but very is difficult to mantain in modern combat. Although you have some more naturla styles like Sifu David Sinclair or Applied wing chun.
@@uli9084 Keepin your structure all ridgid like that is not the way wing chun is suppose to be used. You can't develop inner body sensetivity all ridgid like that.
Wing chun is a very natural style on it's own, people just don't spar with the system often enough, and they don't have a good teacher to show them how to use the forms to develop their structure.
Wing chun is a soft style, so ridgity is the anathema of the style.
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Sifu Orr actually has students of his that compete in boxing, mma, and kickboxing using wc, and he clearly mentions that being ridgid is not really wing chun.
I used to be a Wing Chun hater. But recently, between you, Kevin Lee, and now Sifu Nate, and a few others... really starting to change my mind.
awesome!!
@@MMAShreddedt as vraiment un bon style, propre, technique, puissant, souple et un bon coups d oeil..
Woohoo!!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
There’s no need to hate any martial arts practice. Mixed martial arts is mixed for a reason. You incorporate the different techniques over the years. You use only what’s effective in each practice and mix it up
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Welcome to parallelism in martial arts. And this is why I still love WC handwork. It’s just so much faster with the simultaneous punching and defending. I think you could definitely augment your striking game if you add WC to it. If you clinch with your opponent you can hit, elbow, throw them almost at will.
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This changed my perspective and opened up my mind on traditional martial arts and modern MMA being similar, practical and technical. Thanks bro
Long guard is superior, which is why all the old school martial arts had long guard stances.
cheers!
Only if you have longer arms tho.
Actually lingguard is especially advantageous when you do bare knuckle fighting like in self defence or idk bodyguard or bouncer stuff. Not hitting the head while guarding is a good thing ;)
@@88balloonsonthewall70 Not necessarily true. It's great for tall guys if u use it as a post but it definitely works for shorter fighters too. I'm 5'5 I use it often
@@honestlee9921 Ah cool do you adapt it any way?
Love this video!! I knew you would love Wing Chun!!! 😂
thanks Kevin :)
@@MMAShredded ATL is waiting for you bro! Lol
Kevin, just for curiosity, would you have a solution in an environment, where you cannot do the typical wing chun routine, like when jeff would be crouching like in boxing, where you basically had no chance to do typical wing chun bridge techniques? In theory this is no unlikely scenario, if you consider that back in the day wing chun has to have fought hung gar, which has very low stances too. And is fighting a lot of time from low to upwards while crouching.
I loved all the scenes where Jeff fought all different fighters to show how he implemented his techniques in a sparring situation with a resisting opponents.
Sifu Nate is so calm and humble. Its like he has no ego to proove something.
I really appreciate your way of thinking Jeff Chan. I've been doing martial arts for 30 years, from kickboxing to Ving Tsun and MMA. The similarities between all different martial arts is what gives me the most joy.
I have dealt with many Wing Chun styles so far and the one that has impressed me the most for fighting is Philipp Bayer's style. Maybe it is interesting for you. This is even more in line with your concepts than this. Since the elbow plays a more crucial role in hitting and covering at the same time and is therefore more attack-oriented.
Big thumbs up for your work, your passion, your skills and openness! Unlike many haters who are blind to great concepts. 🙏
As some who trained wing chun as kid and is now a big fan of your fighting style as an adult this vid is like gold.
Shows me how to use the techniques I learnt as a kid effectively in my Muay Thai training now
I notice Jeff is doing everything with the mind set of gloves are still on so the palm of the hands to parry/block is a little harder to do so the parry with the palms is out of the picture, while Nate is coming from the mindset of a street self defense and not wearing gloves so the hand/palms becomes apart of the parry/block. Both of those deflection/defense works in any scenario we just have to be aware when the gloves are off and on. Great video about Wing Chun and martial arts overall, Respect.
So nice seeing Sifu Nate! This is the type of content I live for 😂 Not just what we do but the why! Excellent job as always, a really good video to close out 2023.
thank you :) Sifu Nate is awesome. happy new year Nick!!
At first I thought Sifu Nate as a bad wing chun practitioner by how he do his wooden dummy. But after seeing his sparring with you especially this explanation video, I began to realize how good Sifu Nate at application side of wing chun. Can't judge a wing chun practitioner by their exercise alone. Thank you for the content of this video.
Application is more important than technique! Plus if you know the rules you can break them!
Your content is so great, I love the fact that you always include live footage to really see the concepts used in live action !
Styles may change, and techniques may vary, but principles are relatively consistent.
Another awesome video, brother. You're the best fighter to come out of Canada since Dave Leduc and GSP
osss thanks man!!!
If you look at the wing chun guard it's almost identical to the way old school boxers like jack johnson use to keep their guard.
Thank you for this video Jeff. I appreciate how open minded you are to discussing ideas, techniques and similiarities between styles. Keep it up ! And Sifu Nate is a real one too ! 🙏
thank you!!
The fact that we get this level of technical expertise for free. Jeff chan you're an absolute blessing. Have an amazing 2024 bro!
A video on Long Guard offense would be nice too, as everything feels different (e.g. hand positioning) from the standard guard
Long guard offense is really simple, use your hand to blind throw jabs occasional backfist or hook and either wait for an opening or take a step back if they get too close
Awesome thank you BOTH for the blocking tips and getting together on this.
Thanks for sharing Jeff.
Jeff i love your channel, not only do you help me with my kickboxing and muay thai with your epic sparring videos, but you are also open minded and take an exploration into traditional martial arts and how they can be applied in a modern setting. keep up the amazing content brother!
been spending hours on your channel recently jeff loooooving the content. i often find myself doing more your style recently in sparring haha. you're probably my mom's biggest enemy now though because of how much you inspired me to wanting to be a pro fighter now too 😆😆
boss thanks for watching!
Excellent collaborative tutorial!
i also love the fact you brought up using head movement when the hands go wrong... i was always taught every defensive action should contain three aspects: a hand movement, a head movement, and footwork... if the hands miss the head movement works, and if the head movement doesn't work the footwork will get you off angle/out of range... really enjoy the love you've shown to these kinds of techniques since i started watching your videos!!
thanks man!!
Thank you Jeff and Nate for the introduction to long guard and wing chun! I find them really interesting and would love to practice this with someone in person.
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Really great explanations and footage to match here!
the more you train martial arts, the more you realise its all very similar
yes!!
Wow, this is really great collab. Learned a lot and picked up a few things to play around with in my styles. Great Jeff and Sifu Nate. Thanks for the excellent content.
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Thank u for this informative video, we love u guys ❤
This is so interesting I used to train wing chun before moving to muay Thai and mma liking the long guard and use Jeff heavily as a style influence... Maybe this explains some of why leaned towards so much!
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Great video!
Awesome video! Im going to implement these in my defense 💪
This is great. It's amazing to see that styles of fighting are more similar than different 🤙🤙🤙. It's great to see both of you learning from each other 💥💥💥🙏🙏🙏. Great job Coach Jeff
thank you!!!
Really love your respect for every martial artist and styles. Sifu Nate is awesome. Keep the good work! You won a new subscriber
thank you!!
Great video!! I like seeing the similarities in your style compared to Wing Chun, and also the differences.
Thank you for continuing to keep an open mind and explore Chinese martial arts! Happy New Year! 🙂
This is gold for a beginner like me. Thanks for the insights Jeff and Sifu.
no problem!!
You rock guys. thank you.
thanks :)
Brilliant video and connection to TMA. Love the clarity and logic of your posts. As a subscriber will get in touch with you about potentially getting you to explore the similarities of the long guard and weapons principles such as Aikido Jo work. Deflect control the line and enter.
Great stuff!
thank you!
Great video. Learnt a lot.
Awesome video like always❤
Really good and informative video👌🏻👍🏻
thank you!
Very nice explanation, oss🙏
Sweet science of striking 👊
oss :)
I really like your humble, honest and curious exchange with martial art(ists). 💪🙂👍
thank you!!
Sift Nate’s guard reminds me of Strickland!
Great breakdown cool to see the overlap in styles!
cheers!
great video with perfect explaination sifu " Chan"👍
Awesome - that cool how you explore all styles...
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Very awesome every bit of it
thx!!
Nice video!
That last hook is a beauty
So cool! Just rewatched the Ip Man movies so this in real life analysis of WingChun came at a good time.
cheers!
Still the best martial arts channel on youtube! Ever since the old fitness days! Do you modify the long guard for a lower hand stance and hover between the eyebrow and lower chin level depending on circumstances?
thank you!!!! yes I change my guard all the time depending on the distance!
So on your first high outside block, the risk u take is when your opponent commits he can easily fold his straight punch into an elbow attack on your chest. The wing chun blocks pivots his position wherre he cannot continue the line, hence is safer to turn your opponent.
Your second example of the straight out block works with gloves, in combat your arm can easily be grabbed on the backwards retreating motion after the failed puch. Thus your block get trapped easier (when not wearing gloves) risking getting pulled of balance since your arm is outstretched.
Love these type of videos ❤
Good Jeff 😊
You demonstrate parry and control, block techniques of martial arts in boxe thai sparrings and it work. Good job 👍
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Great video guys. I mention this quite often but people tend to take a grandiose idea of what Bruce Lee was saying without his journey. The research of books and learning with various teachers only to come to the conclusion that fighting is fighting. The traditionalist wants preserve movement ignoring the erratic nature of the fight and disregarding sport. The modern tends to ignore the wisdom of the those who left behind the movements in these traditional training methods. Only when you are open to learning do you see that martial arts are essentially the same with the principles of what you are trying to achieve, how you are trying to achieve it and for what purpose. Also I wanted to add that I believe Wing Chun's aim is to force or lead the confrontation into a in close hand fighting/grappling situation where punches and attacks have to be truly considered because you are so close similar to bjj just on the ground. Great video!
great points and thank you for watching!
@@MMAShredded Thank you for getting out there and doing what you love.
Love it. I did wing chun years ago, all your points i love. Sadly there are some gaps in his knowledge (yet i prefer your versions). Example he mentions tan sau for a hook. I trained this a ton during heavy sparring, you must turn and the hook is blocked but you version is faster and maybe stronger. Head movement, i thought that the whole time training wing chun but we moved much more than just forward. Example you are surprised or not close enough to jam, so you step back (kind like head movement but much slower). Im always impressed, your inspiring me to go back and train maybe in your programs online.
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That karate high block should be accompanied by a level change against straight punches or used against dropping attacks (hammerfists, axe kicks, etc). You shouldn't just stand there and use it.
Sometimes a longer version of the high block appears when you're very bladed and using the front arm and footwork to defend against everything.
The way I would block a hook as a tang soo do guy would be similar, but there's the option of using that open hand to grab and start doing judo.
Everybody ends up doing a little chi sao if they box bare knuckle. You'll even see some kyokushin guys doing it.
Wing chun could really help someone out in that transitional zone between striking and grappling, which is why I think it's important for wing chun and praying mantis guys to allow some basic takedowns in their sparring.
Wing chun has a lot going for it, I think the main thing holding it back is the relatively weak sparring and competition culture. But I don't see why it wouldn't work, and it's very cool.
Jeff you are the best martial arts youtuber i learned from a lot from you❤
thanks man!!!
Happy new year!🎉
God your videos are so informative it’s crazy.
thanks man!!
I’ve gotta start using this too
This is a best inspiration for those Wing Chun practitioners.
Jeff on his way to becoming prime Tony Ferguson with all that wing chun training
hopefully he doesn't take too much damage pulling it off though
My first martial art is boxing, i do Muay Thai and BJJ now. If I was in a self defense situation I’d totally want to have my arms out palm open, and parry punches like the wing chun guy is doing, I wouldn’t parry at the elbow, but as someone who questions wing chuns fighting ability I love the street defense moves.
Great vid Jeff🔥🔥 im kinda curious you ever thought about trying martial art skits?
thanks man! and ive thought about it, just never got into it yet!!
in boxing there is also the long guard, and the use of gloves to stop the punch, but with mma gloves it is more difficult to block and reduce any type of damage.
I think more wing Chun concepts would work but wing chun guys don’t spar much. The ones who do only spar other WC guys. If they sparred more people with boxing,Kickboxing,muaythai, & mma backgrounds I think the style itself would be more fluid. Great video
jeff, i see you rarely do the dutch guard shelling with the very small taps to deflect a punch
is there a specific reason to it? does it have to do with your preference of being generally more evasive and moving a lot?
Hey Jeff I would love it if you could upload a video about passing the guard in a mma context of leading to ground and pound
Nice exchange, hope to see more!
1:12 Why not cut to a punch at the same time? That's in the Wing Chun second form, 1st section (after the preamble)
1:54 problem with starting from the eyebrows is if he strikes upwards, Nate can bowl through if he's close enough. Safer for this shot to start lower and aim at the solar plexus. That being said, has to be trained with and without gloves to see the difference (starting at eyebrow level might be easier with gloves)
3:31 Nate should be stepping towards the attacker's shoulder around which the hook pivots to shut it down faster- opportunity to improve footwork. Even a pivot would be enough. Generally start with footwork before talking about hands!
5:10 Why didn't you hit him with your loaded hand at the same time you run the 360 block? The punch is more important than the block. In fact, you could replace the 360 block with a punch if you felt like gambling that you've got better angles, footwork and vectors than your opponent
6:06 This is a good point that I'm happy to concede- Muay Thai fighters are better at distance management at range so a 360 block that could be either is faster than a round or straight Ving Tsun counter. Not my own preferred strategy but it's valid for distance management and sniping
7:31 Thanks for sharing this one. Probably better with gloves and easier to train, if less comprehensive. Interesting that it transitions into a clinch- for Wing Chun we'd avoid moving to a clinch in order to keep striking in the pocket. Will try this one of yours, myself!
10:08 a lot of time talking about hands, but don't see discussion of accompanying footwork
10:56 no head movement because when you're in the pocket and aiming at the opponent's solar plexus, head movement becomes less effective. Especially if there are no gloves involved. It really comes down to discussing spacing and footwork as part of the previous point
11:10 there is no overcommit on the cross in Wing Chun because you'd ideally be closer in "bent arm range", and the arm would be loaded to find the gaps in their guard. That's the actual point of Chi Sau. The more dangerous time for a Wing Chun practitioner is learning timing so they don't walk into round kicks or double jabs
11:20 before using a shoulder roll, can try jamming an attack first with your elbow at an acute angle (bong sau)
12:17 agreed with Nate here. Use structure, use footwork, hit the enemy, control the hands. No need for head movement.
13:13 nice laap sau to bridge from that range
When you talking about minimal movement for the long guard I think one thing that is important to talk about is that with 14-16oz gloves your hands and arms move a lot slower when trying to parry. Ive found that karate style blocking is more effective bare-knuckle or MMA.
Great to see MMA and Kung Fu people getting along. 🤣
I use a similar long guard, but its a cross between silat, aikido, box, and taichi, but for only box, i use a cross between box and wingchun very similar to yours but in southpaw style or peekaboo closing angles in the long moving the center of mass and hard peekaboo counter punch flow
Im in “bonebreakers” time ago, i quit cuz my baby born and i do for martial arts love, but it work perfect vs amateur national champs and some pro fighters, mma its getting better slow but sure wee seeing new arts being integred
The best basic signature are both block (grappling)and offensive punch then chain punch.
So, I study a style known as yong chun white crane, (btw yong chun is a city in fujian province, it's mandarin, in Cantonese it's actually wing chun) Our style almost certainly heavily influenced both wingchun and karate and this is very similar to what we do we put a lot of focus on trapping, controlling the center line, and using a lot of open hand strikes, (seriously, we have almost no punches in our style but do have forearm strikes and various openhanded strikes) And just like no wing Chun. We focus on controlling the center line and most of our striking and grappling techniques, Are focused on controlling the upper body meaning the arms, the hands and the torso and that general area of the body, And I can see these ideas are very prevalent in wing chun, especially in exercises like chi sao, which has many similarities to the drills we have
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I used to do fencing competitively before I began MMA. My footwork was the best and it allowed me to become the U19 provincial champ back in the day.
Although I am right handed, my style adjusted so well with Southpaw and over all how the wing chun operates. I use long guard naturally in exactly the same way as wing chun and have great distance management capability and my left round house is absoultely devastating. I have not been trained in wing chun per se but I have been able to successfully incorporate several elements of wing chun quite successfully in my technique because the muscles involved are mostly the same in fencing.. Have experimented a lot with them in my sparring. My mates also joke that I fight like Bruce Lee.
Intercepting techiques. 😏
That hoodie is very fitting.
Ying Yang with arrows, jeet kune do . 😊
Thing of beauty that video. Wing Chun is definetely great to add with other styles of fighting, it adds a lot of flow and variety. We can see in MMA this thing works, Sean Strickland is a champion even using a llot of wing chun added to his boxing and mma overal style. I believe it could work also for other fighting disciplines, and for street fight also
💡Sir, I think you just made it possible for MMA and Wing-Chun practitioners to speak each other's language. 🤔💭This is like The West learning how to speak Eastern and vice versa.💥 And the funny thing is, they indeed are extremely similar to the point where a block from one style ends up being executed in the complete opposite fashion of the other‼️
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For Wing Chun idiots to speak MMA they would have to train live full contact.
This is choreographed nonsense.
W.C is for anyone that can't hack a grappling or boxing class.
I realized when i was sparring the way i block is usually the same. I should use this more often in my kickboxing training
When dealing with big right overhand punches, I find myself using the cross-parry too often instead of the 360 block (which my coach bashes me for).
Looks like apart from the 360 block you would like use footwork to cirlce to your right?
I try to use and teach a flow between the 2 guards. You will see sometimes (especially thai fighters) when an aggressive attacker like a Muay Matt already got inside, the defensive fighter still try to use the long guard and ended up eating some big punches or even getting knocked out. A good example is Muangthai VS Liam Harrison.
Happy you found a decent wing practitioner, Jeff
Jeff' always gives the other person a chance to demonstrate and talk. He never just takes over the conversation
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all respect to sifu nate but even the little clip of him sparring with jeff shows the issues of WC and I would say traditional ma. When you put the gloves on and spar they all look like guys that are not used to being hit and countered and it is too robotic. I left Kenpo 20 years ago because of this issue and embraced kick boxing and muay thai. It has been monmental in giving me so much more insight into how a real fight plays out. Not that there aren't aspects that Traditional MA can't show us such as distance control, body mechanics, and foot work but the sooner a person puts the gloves on the sooner they can actually progress and put it all together. Thanks Jeff for all you have done to further the arts and for the respect you show for all the arts! Keep on keeping on!
TMA practitioners are robotic because they are so caught up in their theories and principles that they are bewildered when a realistic-ish fight doesn't conform to their expectation. They need to understand that their theories and principles are not prescriptive. It's up to them to CREATE situations in which their theories and principles are applicable because a real fight is endlessly variable.
Okay homie, Nate is a guy, Chan is a professional fighter. There’s literally nothing wrong with wing chun mayne it’s the practitioner not being at the level of a professional df
A lot of Muay Thai long guard does a lot of similar things to wing chung when in comes to hooks. A lot of boxing/dutch kb parries are similar to straight defense
I started doing Muay Thai two years ago after too many years of Wing Chun from two different lineages. Definitely having the big16 oz gloves over my hands really disables many Wing Chun hand techniques, but sparring in general is the main key to test your own skills, the closest to a real application, and to figure out what works and not for you (many kung fu moves only work in demo mode).
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i do wing chun myself from the tsu ching tin lineage ( ip mans student) and i love the way you guys can just exchange ideas and how similar both styles of fighting really are
P.S i also do hung gar kung fu and boxing with a little muay thai and taekwando
Ok, this is like gold. A real mma fighter showing that Bruce Lee's fighting method really works!!!!!
Cool to see that you and Spiderman are tight like that
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Cool one 👍😁
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During the straight punch defences, Nate is actually making a slight angle for the deflections. So, it becomes vulnerable to anybody with good positioning. The first part of the defence against hooks require too much precision. Even advanced get the length or angle wrong often and have their block battered through and get struck anyway. The second part of defence against hooks is basically a long guard which every striking combat sport uses. Both kinds of defences shown, straight and round, are vulnerable to feints due to how the require extending your arms away from your body. Also, in an MMA context, extending your limbs like that is a beautiful invitation to grapplers.
The rest is the same stuff that's taught in muay thai but with fancy Chinese words. Which is fine.
Jeff, I think you and Nate are *making* them work because you're wonderful, talented athletes, not because these moves are better ideas than the more conventional moves.
If you watch Sean Strickland everyone talks about his Philly she’ll but his most important tool is his straight arm punch Perry’s deflections.