The Sims 2: Can you ACTUALLY discover cheating through gossip?
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2022
- Let's check if there is a mechanic that can make Sims find out about cheating thanks to gossip memories and interactions. This time, without mods since the very start!
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As a bisexual person, it didn't even cross my mind for a SECOND that anywhere in the last video there was an implication of bisexual people being cheaters. It's like people saying that when there is gay representation in media it has to be all sunshine and rainbows or it's homophobic. As if failed gay relationships or bad/toxic gay people didn't exist. The problem is there ONLY when it's specified that the person/relationship is bad/toxic/whatever BECAUSE of it being nonheteronormative.
Exactly my thoughts. Like chill tf out, people, how are you able to find something offensive in literally anything? How are you gonna survive in society if you're this fragile?????
Me too! But I guess if it ofended some people it was for the best, and Marta handled it perfectly.
People love looking for problems.
Same here, but a gay guy.
It really doesn't make sense that gay people need to be portrayed as perfect, it's just not honest y'know.
To be fair, it is a stereotype that gay and straight people use as a excuse to say "I won't date bisexuals because they are cheaters" or any other biphobic thought. Just because you haven't experience it doesn't mean it's not happening. I have seen that nonsense online and those people refuse to admit they are being biphobic when they say that.
I dont understand why people thought that previous video was biphobic. They were just example sims to test the feature :/
It's not biphobia. You made no relation between the cheating and the Sim being bi. That was just made up by viewers.
I'm aware of the stereotype surrounding it and I think it's good to be mindful about it but people also shouldn't cancel stories where for example a bisexual Sim is a cheater.
There doesn't need to be an explicit relation between being bi and cheating for it to rub people the wrong way. It's the small things that perpetuate these harmful stereotypes.
I have been watching Marticore on both of her channels for years, so I knew she probably didn't do it on purpouse. But still, I didn't like the story of a bisexual person "exploring" their sexuality by cheating (which I'm pretty sure was the scenario in the old video, I don't remember exactly, but it doesn't matter now)
Besides, biphobic stereotype wasn't even the main reason she re-did the video, so it's not like some chronically online snowflakes made her delete her hard work over a honest mistake...
@@teufela8822 But then the next question is where do you draw the line? There are a number of stereotypes even outside the LGBTQ+ area and if we go as far as making such small little details responsible for spreading those stereotypes it's increasingly difficult if not impossible to entertain or even just to inform people about small game mechanics. You can't expect one person to know them all and I honestly believe especially in terms of cheating it's somewhat inevitable to make a certain type of person portrayed as bad as Sims are a simulation of people.
@@teufela8822 from what I remember the scenario was 2 friends were hanging out, and one thing led to another and they ended up making out.
I'm sure you could interpret that as being biphobic, but the focus seemed to be more cheating with a friend than it was cheating with another woman. That's from what I remember though.
@@teufela8822 Wait so hang on a second - how can it rub you the wrong way if you don't even remember it? I find it hard to believe you dislike something you can't remember. Maybe your knee-jerk reaction to the original video was negative, that I can accept. But you're contradicting yourself by saying you don't like something but you also can't remember what you don't like about the said thing. Pick a lane.
@@Hendrik_McSims I know it's impossible to be aware of every single stereotype of all the minorities. But in most cases you can just ask yourself "am I making a minority look bad?" and give whatever you are doing a second thought.
Nothing exists in a void, context and severity of how harmful the stereotype is, matters.
This whole video was about cheating and is using a minimal amount of Sims, so it naturally puts the cheater in focus. And as you said, it's inevitable to demonise a certain type of person this way.
Also this particular stereotype is very harmful. People are refusing to date bisexuals out of fear of being cheated on. Those who already were in a relationship and came out to their partners are often accused of cheating, where there is absolutely no proof for that.
If we were talking about a soap opera with people cheating left and right for ✨drama✨, and one of these cheaters happened to be bi, nobody would be particularly upset. Why? Because straight characters are shown doing the same exact thing. If anything, people would be happy for bisexual representation!
Good representation is kinda boring, so it's good to spice things up a little from time to time. But it needs to be done in a way that doesn't demonise minorities.
TLDR: context matters
Guys! The biphobia accusations weren't the *only* reason I remade the video! I also screwed up last time letting ACR mess with jealousy at first, so I thought the mechanic might've actually worked.
The only "mod" I kept was the Shadow Fix because if I disabled shadows just for this video, I would play without shadows for the next 6 months. It happened before 😆
“The game loads so fast without mods . Still, not enough reason for me to play without them” 😂😂😂 lost it on that part cos same
and here I thought the last video was inclusive since it contained a bisexual character and a wlw couple
but then again im too used to cheating in sims 2 bc in my play throughs EVERYBODY cheats since I need the drama 😭
I was like “aw it’s kinda cute she’s falling in love with a friend”, like barely (in the sims, I know cheating is horrible thing to do to someone) do I realize cheating can be a bad thing because they aren’t real. Like I love adding drama and cheating is an easy way to do that.
I’m bi and I didn’t even think it was wrong because I had context. I know the video was never meant to be hurtful and that it is just a story in the sims (I know stories can still be hurtful, but the video never meant to be a stereotype which is why I don’t think it’s truly hurtful) I just thought of it as a fun little experiment to see if a feature would work
But I’m glad it was addressed at least
Adolescents get upset when they see the parent that is cheating in action and usually they end up hating that parent. And I think that children feel the same, they cry a lot!
I'm wondering if a modder can fix that Gossip Cheating. Would be cool to see caring Sims protect their friends from cheaters!
I'm extremely disappointed to hear that this doesn't work anymore, because, you know, Gossip is complex in The Sims 2, it should be more "useful", but I was more than sure that it worked, with all my fixes installed, including fury fixes and more, I was sure that it would. Maybe it was a false memory, I guess I'll have to experiment a bit too.
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The gossip does spread, but I don't know what purpose this has in-game...
We all probably know, that gossiping in the sims 3 will force this little pop up saying a random gossip. And this is how i learned my sim is getting cheated on
To be fair, having a bi character who happens to be a cheater is quite different from making the character a cheater /because/ they're bi, or saying that it's why they're cheating. I haven't seen your prior video, but I highly doubt you did the latter (which would be biphobic). There are cheaters who are heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, etc...
I'm glad you took the time to listen, though! Many would just get defensive.
Anyway, nice video! I've been getting into The Sims 2, so your videos have been quite useful in learning about that game. You also have such a calming voice, which definitely helps, haha.
People these days are completely oversensitive. You shouldn't have to apologise just for checking game mechanics. Sincerely, a bisexual person.
we live in fragile times....when someone will ALWAYS react in offensive toxic way and make you feel bad about something minor and right thing.
I have DEFINITELY had gossip work in the way that you are hoping for. This must have been absolutely YEARS ago, maybe when I was playing as a kid with just the base game.
I remember using the gossip interaction with someone and my sim BOOM had the cheating memory and fell out of love etc with her partner. I was like WHAT? NOO
I had it work fairly recently, as in about two years ago but I can't remember if I had the open for business expansion at the time, I'll have to try again soon
Hi! Bisexual/Pansexual here. When I saw the last video, biphobia never even occurred to me even as an inkling of a thought. I honestly just thought you just randomized some sims and made them get in relationships with each-other and/or just felt more normalized and included with my own sexuality from the video as the best case. Being straight is just as normal to me as being non-straight so it just.. literally never occurred to me. Not even for a moment. The point of the video was to test out a game mechanic.
Sorry but if someone gives you flack over this sort of situation where you dont even speak badly of minority groups, it just sounds like they are projecting and want to fight about something, anything. People like this exist and it is extremely sad. It is really sweet of you to go out of your way to completely remake a video for the best intentions, but I'm just here to say, there wasn't anything wrong with the last video just because a character wasn't straight.
It wasn't tested well either, so I redid the video for two reasons!
Now I just wonder if vanilla Sims 2 have that feature (which would explain why some people experienced that). Also, if it really is a patch/expansion pack that broke that feature I'd bet it's Nightlife and some conflict with furious feature (or was too problematic to have with whole go on many dates theme of that EP). Or maybe it was Open for Business and they just didn't want a situation like: "Shopkeep: Hey, you really should buy that item - it would be great for you. Client: Thank you, you're right. Also your spouse cheats on you." After all Open for Business was made to interact with many, many sims, so possibly it was causing the issue of cheating gossip being unstoppable and getting to the spouse in matter of a day or two, maybe even while not playing them.
seeing all the great work modders are still doing to fix things that got broken over the years, i am hoping one of them can fix this as i live for the drama… that it’s taking so long though makes me wonder if it’s just so hard coded into the game that it is impossible to fix through tuning overrides 😔
Fury came with the Nightlife expansion pack. This is one of its features.
I remember trying this back in the day, i hate that the mechanic is so broken and half removed!
Great video as always!! :)
I don't know what the problem is, after all, among bisexual people who are in a relationship, cheating is the same as in homosexual or heterosexual couples, so it doesn't really matter what pair Merta would choose to cheat. This is how you create a false image of bisexuals, because they also cheat, orientation has no influence on it. It is good to show such things, because it is not duplicating the stereotype, but showing that orientation has no influence on cheating and that you should treat cheating in hetero and bisexual couples in the same way, and show them in the same way.
Sure, but there was a context of her "exploring her sexuality" that resulted in cheating and I think that was the problematic part
Hey, I know this a completely different topic to the video, but I was thinking about the baby adoption system in the Sims 2. When you adopt a baby in the sims 2 they get their genes from random townies, right? So, would it be possible in an empty world (with no townies or anything) to create 2 alien sims and make them into townies, and then make a family so that they could adopt a baby, would the baby have alien genes? I find these videos you make of the sims 2 very interesting and awesome, because there are so many details in this game that even playing this game my whole life, I still get to learn about.
If you have NoTownieRegen and no starter townies, baby adoption is not possible (with testingcheats on you'll get an error message saying "No townie parents"). But when you create two Sims of opposite gender and turn them into townies, those two Sims will always be chosen as DNA parents, so yes, you could get an alien-looking baby :D But the baby will only have an alien face if you use the alien template that needs to be unlocked with a mod to appear in CAS.
@@Marticore Cool! Thanks for letting me know cuz that thought was stuck in my mind for a couple of days. :P
I just wanted to say thank you for your content. I watch your video pretty often because I am a huge fan of the Sims 2. It brings back so many memories, super nostalgic. I'm so happy you're bringing this feeling of nostalgia back.
Additionally, I got a pretty good video idea: can a single teen sim survive on his own money/loan alone?
I remember I had a family where both of the parents died and the teenager was responsible for himself and his younger sister.
In an unmodded game a teen can easily survive if they have a small house. Bills are a joke and they can be paid with a part-time job salary with no problem (literally Dustin Broke can support the Broke family with his pay only). Getting into private school will make the student not come back tense, so they'll have the energy for work and homework, and private school is free. It's super easy!
I mean, I could make a video just to prove how ridiculous it is 😂
It's basically Newsons and they are perfectly playable (outside of the fact that they come with shredded sim - but they are integral part of magic subhood, so there's not much you can do about that outside of using hood checker and deleting the rest of that data). And yeah, that means Maxis wasn't aware of corrupting deletion of a sim till the very last expansion pack.
hi, i’m bi. i don’t think the video was biphobic at all! yes it is a stereotype that bi people are cheaters, but it was clear to me that you didn’t mean to insinuate that. it’s just a sims experiment, i don’t think you need to apologize imo
Very perplexed about how people would have thought the video was biphobic?! The purpose was to detect cheating through gossip mechanics, not to portray some non-heteronormative as negative!
Heyo in my game the gossip about cheating Kinda works! My whole town has the memory of Crystal vu cheating in Lazlo Curious by now, even those that didn’t saw it ore didn’t meet Lazlo. But if the discovering by gossip work i sadly don’t know. But in SimPE you can see they gossip memory about it
Love love love your channel and content. This stuff is so fascinating to me, thank you. 💖
as a bisexual woman, i didnt take offense to your last video at all. honestly, folks are just to sensitive these days. That being said, it is wonderful that you care to not want to represent the lgbtq+ community in a bad light, much appreciated!
I agree, the last video was kind of meandering and rambly. But again, this was never a feature in the actual released game. It was a concept they were working on and, despite showcasing it, ultimately decided to scrap.
I wonder if modders would be able to fix this somehow, or recreate this somehow... seems like a very fun mechanic!
replicated this with pretty much the same results, which was kinda disappointing since i really wanted gossip and memories to be more gameplay relevant so bad 😭. like the feature is basically there for no reason and 99% of the gossip wouldn't be relevant even if it was. but i like looking through the memories in simpe sometimes, i found it really funny that someone (probably herself or her wife) told her daughter about that one time when she accidentally electrocuted herself when she was a baby.
so onto my results. on reddit, someone suggested that marticore could have gotten unlucky, which is an argument that holds up. sims gossip about whatever, so there's a pretty good chance that the sims in this video could have been gossiping about anything other than cheating (my theory was that gossip selects memories pretty randomly, so one affair memory out of a gazillion useless memories/gossip could make it a rare occurrence for sims to discover cheating by gossip). i prevented this using simpe by taking a family fresh out of CAS and wiping out the witness' memories before they witnessed the act. they'd have literally nothing to talk about except cheating!
and sure enough, daniel pleasant's daughters (this wasn't actually in pleasantview, i used completely different sims in a test neighborhood with the pleasants' names just to dunk on them lol and i changed the maid to a roomie, so i'll be using their names here) witnessed him having an affair. they did the usual "yuck" animation, relationship score falling, etc.
i had them gossip to mary-sue. the gossip was clearly about the affair, dad and his mistress's faces in chat bubbles, etc., confirming via simpe that this was the only possible gossip. what's interesting is that even though i spammed gossip and even though it clearly was about the affair, the gossip memory didn't appear in mary sue's memories in simpe. copy-pasting her daughter's memories to her in simpe doesn't do anything. i haven't yet tested if the same thing happens if they gossip to anyone else
also, the first time i did this, i planned on just creating fake memories/gossip in simpe and seeing if that does anything. it didn't, obviously, but similar effects would happen where they'd visibly gossip about the memories but i didn't check if they spread in simpe. also, i made daniel pleasant remember having an affair with a random townie none of the pleasants ever met
probably messed up that test neighborhood with simpe lol. anyways i believe players may misinterpret falling out of love and general dislike between sims as fallout of affair rumors
also to clarify, both the pleasant twins had the "had an affair" and woohoo memories. idk why the sim in this video didn't get the "had an affair", but yeah, that does confirm that witnesses can get a cheating memory. for research purposes, i trapped daniel pleasant and the maid with the twins in a bedroom, forcing the twins to watch the whole time through which was obvs a more different method than in the vid lmao. maybe there's a trigger for "had an affair" that doesn't work consistently?
This what the sims 4 is lacking. The drama and gossip from the last two games was glorious.
Is it even possible for Sims to gossip about positive memories? I've only ever seen them gossip about negative memories like losing a fight or burning food, and having an affair or Woohooing would be a positive memory for the Sim who did it. Maybe this is something which was changed in a patch or expansion, and that's why the mechanic no longer works.
I love that there is a pool in the middle of the house!
anyone can be a cheater bisexual or not. that person is projecting. obviously you were just conducting an experiment.
Yo I thought this feature was a fever dream omg
I didn't know the bad mouth interaction affected the target Sim's relationship with a different sim ! I thought it meant you were bad mouthing the Sim u were talking to, to their face 😂😂
I want to point out that in the video from developers that you showed wife is on the same lot, but now she would know herself, no gossip would be needed. so maybe it is still in the game but they just doesn't have a chance to gossip because spouse immediately knows?
The whole preview video was a scripted event BTW...
I played this scenario in the sims 3 before the father and sibling of my main sim caught his son/sibling’s fiancé making out with the roommate (make out before woohoo). They both disliked them (mostly her) afterwards and once my main sim came home they immediately told him. He felt betrayed didn’t want any interactions with her and in the end broke off the relationship.
I watched both of your videos and now im wondering if exiting the game could change anything
I remember this feature working, it caught me off guard too.
As a pansexual I haven't even thought that the previous video could be biphobic. Of course, everyone has their own perception and I have no right to tell anyone what they may or may not find offensive but come on... I feel like some people just TRY to find issues everywhere.
Plus, I just thought you added a wlw relationship for the diversity, not to imply that bi people are cheaters. Cut Marticore some slack, guys.
i think it has to play out as a senario in which the brother isn’t apart of the household but IS in the lot
In the previous video the sister wasn't in the household
heyy!! i watched the last video and i’m pan. i saw nothing with biphobia in it. im new to ur channel and i was pleasantly surprised that u included ur sim being bi.
Is there a fix for this so it actually works again?
Maybe if we all ask Lazy Duchess really nicely they (or someone else in the community) can find a way to fix this?
Weird, I once had a father cheat on his wife, and his daughter caught them and I remember she became furious with both the father and the woman. But I already had some mods installed, none that I remember being about modifying cheating and becoming furious, but idk :s
They do get furious, but they can't tell anyone about cheating
Has anyone made a fix for this? So that it actually works as it was supposed to?
I appreciate and respect you for putting in such a clear acknowledgement and recognition of the sensitivity surrounding the issue, whether other people agree or not of what was portrayed or implied, it's certainly a display of care not usually matched in the world we live in ♥
Hey, maybe you could try arrange situation similar to the one from the promo video. I mean, when wife is on the lot husband and his lover should start kissing or make out. Somebody shoud catch them and maybe he would go straight away and tell about that to the wife. I don't know if this gonna work, I just thought about that maybe there is still a chance it would work. I just guessing.
Hey hey Marticore!
I wish someone with base game cd from 2004 could check it
I'm Bi myself and the notion that the last video was in ANY way offensive is ridiculous. People of all kinds cheat straight, bi or gay. The stereotype didn't even cross my mind while watching that video.
How does it work if the date flowers are from the past love interest? Let's say, my sim kept the flowers from his ex-girlfriend and the new girlfriend finds them. There was no cheating. Will the new girlfriend still react as if the boyfriend cheated on her? Anyone tested it?
Yes. My Don kept his date flowers all over the place to help decorate the house. All was fine for years after he got married until one day wife just came and slapped him. She had finally read the flower notes and acted if he had cheated, although they had married for years and the flowers were old gifts. It took a long time for her to notice, but she minded. Now his stuff goes in a special locked room that she can't access.
@@Diovanlestat interesting! Thank you for your answer.
@@DiovanlestatI think it should change so the flowers "expire" after some time, because just because you dated someone else in the past doesn't make you a cheater...
I remember playing with this house and totally making it over. The only bad thing about S2 are the ugly premade builds 😄🤦🏽♀️
Maybe you won’t care, but I had a third of my neighbourhood involved in the same fight because of a cheater sim who got slapped by most of his wife’s relatives. Here’s a bit of context to let you understand how the game mechanics might work (sorry for the novel) :
Eugene Fantom repeatedly cheated his wife, Gérômine Ullacre, with 9 other women The guy ended up with 9 illegitimate children. Gérômine only knows about ONE woman (their maid), but their relationship fell down to enemies.
Sparkle of the chaos : Eugene’s lil’ sister Elsa Fantom held a wedding party where all members of the 10 gentry families were invited.
You also need to know that :
- Elsa Fantom is marrying Titus Roduet (Love, 3 chemistry bolts, golden and best friends with their relatives)
- Titus’ brother Charlefrand Roduet is married to Danielle Barton (Love, 3 chemistry bolts)
- Titus’ sister Amélia Roduet is married with Antoine Ullacre (Gérômine’s older brother). (Love, 2 chemistry bolts, best friends with relatives)
- Titus’ brother Anjalbert Roduet is married to Anna GSILAÕ (Love, 2 chemistry bolts)
- Titus’ sister Blanche Roduet married Raymond Barton (Love, 3 chemistry bolts)
- Elsa Fantom is best Friend with Ippomène Ullacre (Gérômine little sister) (Golden best friends)
- Ippomène Ullacre (golden best friend with Gérômine) is married to Albert Plan (Love, 3 chemistry bolts, no direct flag with Eugene)
- Eugene, Antoine and Georges Mallet are all cheating with Ishtar Kemal (who act as the Beauty goddess in the neighbourhood). Each of them had been in the house when the other woohooed with Ishtar. (Crush, average of 2 chemistry bolts and no enemy flag between any of them)
- Georges Mallet has neutral relationships with most of the gentry members (+/- 30 SRT and LTR, no flags at all)
- Anjalbert Roduet and Anna GSILAÕ have very good relationships with everyone in the neighbourhood +/- 50 STR and LTR, (friends or best friends flags)
- All guests are either platine or golden aspiration
All of those people and many more were invited by phone at the wedding party and came (except Ishtar who basically snobs everyone). All went well when Ippomène Ullacre AUTONOMOUSLY started to slap Eugene Fantom in his face. Then, Antoine Ullacre came. Then, Danielle Barton. And then Albert Plan who brutally assault Eugene (o.0”).
By the end of the toast, Eugene had been slapped by most of the ULLACRE, RODUET, BARTON and PLAN families’ members (aged from teen to elder). So I sent Eugene back home to stop the chaos.
Epic fail. Because in the Sims 2, when sim A slaps, sim B always slaps back. Therefore, because of the friendship and hatred relationships between the remaining guests, they started to slap each other. Endlessly. BUT Anjalbert and NO ONE of the MALLET and GSILAÕ families tried to slap Eugene or any other guests.
SO definitely something is happening regarding information’s circulation. None of the wedding slappers saw Eugene woohooing (except Gérômine, George and Antoine but none of them started the fight). It really seems like your sims don’t need to witness a cheat to be aware of it. But I think that they need really strong bonds (married, best friends or enemies) to take the cheat into account and react accordingly.
Happy siming !
How do you know they weren't just randomly being mean? It happens a lot in The Sims 2, especially with grouchy Sims. And the slap back doesn't always happen, it depends on personality!
@@Marticore Because, except Raymond Barton and Albert Plan, they all had more than 5 niceness points (I tend to create nice sims, and in this neighbourhood they were almost all nice or super nice with perfect lives). I got bored of this perfections so I decided to misbehave with Eugene to spice up my gaming routines and unintentionnally ended up with the situation I described.
1:30 Why this feature not exist for sims 4
Doesn't exist in Sims 2 either
In the forum thread "История разработки Симс 2" someone tested this feature in the base game version 1.0.0.932. This is the earliest known version of the base game. The feature didn't work for player there. Where to find result: Site "The Sims Creative Club", forum thread "История разработки Симс 2", page of thread 127, post №2537.
As a pansexual person, I didn't find your last video biphobic. That character wasn't a cheater because she was bi, but she was just a bi character who happened to cheat. People of all sexualities can be cheaters. Love your videos
I think witness sims can only gossip about cheating when the cheater gets caught in front of them.
I don't think so, gossip memories appear out of the blue
As bisexual my thoughts were only 'wow the representation that women can love not only men cool' lol
People are ridiculous, it doesn't take 2 neurons to see that you were just improvising and using the first sims you had at that moment, so now you're being heterophobic because you're showing a hetero couple so that anyone can assume hetero people are cheaters? Of course not! It's just common sense to see and understand the situations, it's only a game, it was ONLY a test, and people are being unnecessary and using a speech where there is no need, trivializing something serious like lgbtqia+phobia when it was just to show if something works or not on a computer game that's EIGHTEEN YEARS OLD, GEZ!
There's no such thing as heterophobia
@@Marticore 🙄
That video was not biphobic :( Bisexual here btw :) 💕💜💙
00:24 biphobic? yea, especially Marticore XD pple really like to being upset about EVERYTHING. stop looking for problems people.
So uploading this video means you won't upload a video on thursday?
Why? Of course I will
Lol what? I’m bi and I didn’t for one second think you were being biphobic. It didn’t cross my mind at all. People are strange.
I never like the gender preferences in Sims series but thank God you can at least customize a fixed one at CAS in Sims 4!
I kinda see the gameplay design at the time that they don't wanna force preferences at the player and implemented a hidden system making everyone bi by default but leans towards only one or another by the player's actions. They thought they were clever to be stealthy and avoid some obvious options at the CAS that can make many people turned off or annoyed during that era. The LGBT customization in Sims 4 aren't that in your face but still available if you want.
as a bi person who watched that video and didnt think of it as biphobic at all, ignore them. not everything needs to be policed. it obviously wasnt intentional. anyone can cheat. doesnt matter your orientation. 🙄🙄
Im bi and… really? Someone said that thats BiPhObiC? Oh my god
So It's only okay to show certain groups in a bad light?
Bisexual people get discriminated against by both the straights and the gays, so it's a specific case that really doesn't need any more crap
As a bi person myself i have to agree with all the people in the comments saying you did nothing wrong. It's all in the viewers minds. The cheating bi stereotype is awful but luckily I haven't experienced it. However as a natural redhead I did experience plenty of "mean, cheating, not trustworthy" redhead comments so this video was way worse for me to watch than the previous.
I'm not saying it for you now to make another video apologizing for the sins which aren't yours. I'm just saying it would be lovely if people so concerned about sexual minority stereotypes treated other minorities with the same respect.
Thanks for making this video though. Now I don't have to check it out myself ;)
Just try another way. Let the wife be at home, when her husband will make out with his lover and then let the brother see them making out. Maybe then brother will go to sister to gossip with her.
omg why is everyone being so problematic and sensitive?! seeing a woman cheating on with another woman and screaming ITS PHOBIC!!!
calm ur asses down jeez. how are u gonna live in a real world if youre such a baby?
Don't worry man, I personally as a biromantic asexual mf don't see any problem with your previous video, cheating in bi couple is the same as cheating in homosexual or straight couple xx
Deja vu
Thank you for being so mindful about the LGBT stuff! It means a lot :)
It's a shame that this feature doesn't work. As for now, I really dislike the gossip system as it is one of the main sources of corruption and doesn't do anything interesting anyway xd
Yeah, all it does is break the save! LMAO
What?!? it causes corruption? I’m avoiding it like the plague now.
I recommend getting the No Sim Loaded mod, it regularly deletes gossip memories
@@Marticore ooh thanks. I will try it! By the way, have you heard about 50 new lifetime wants mod? Are you going to try it? I personally love it, but it conflicts with the creaturefixes :"(( it makes it harder for me to play on Planet Alades which sucks. But the new LTWs are very interesting!
I'm bisexual, and didn't even realize that you might have implied that bi people are cheaters in the last video. But I truly appreciate you for correcting your mistake, even if a lot of people didn't realize there was a mistake.
I guess that wasn’t the video, those were your cheesy comments…
I'm bi and happy that you made a new video. I don't think the last video was biphobic, or that Marticore was being biphobic for making it, or had any kind of obligation to remake it, but the stereotype of bisexual being cheaters is so pervasive, and I'm really tired of it. So I personally think it's nice that you changed it!
Also we don't know what the person said precisely. Maybe the person was just tired of seeing this all the time and not trying to 'cancel' anything and just asked nicely. People are allowed to be concerned about their own representation, and it's completely possible to do it in a nice and respectful manner. Idk it kind of annoys me that people presume that the person had bad intentions?
Absolutely ridiculous you made another video for that reason. As you see the majority here kind of agree and I agree with their reasonings.
It wasn't the only reason! 😆 I guess I didn't express myself correctly lol
it is NOT thats serious.... if you assumed she was being biphobic because of that..... ooohhh you need to go OUTSIDE!!!!!!
Mariah Carey
OMG SCREAMING ALREADY MARTICORE PLS POST MORE TRIVIA VIDEOS YOUR CHANNEL IS THE BEST AND BTW WHAT IS YOUR OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA????????????? xoxo
😂😂😅 There are links in the description!
E... Słucham? XD W sensie, jak w heterozwiązku jest zdrada, to wszystko gituwa, ale jak w związku homo, to już szkalowanie osób lgbt? XD Jakby. Co jest XD
Nie. Że to było potwierdzenie stereotypu, że osoby biseksualne zdradzają, bo "odkrywają swoją seksualność".
@@Marticore bez sensu 🙈 nie przejmuj się
So it's OK to show a straight male as a cheater but it's offensive to show a bi person as a cheater? That's still prejudice.
I get the fear of being discriminated against, and you changing things up for the sake of bi viewers is also fine, but that video wasn't biphobic in the slightest. I just wanna say that no one here was at fault for anything, the viewers who felt hurt or you for making that scenario.
Thanks for addressing the problems people had with the representation of bisexuality in the last video and just quickly being like "that wasn't my intention I'm sorry and understand why I was wrong". Feel like a lot of times people feel the need to overly apologize or give half apologies where they SAY they're sorry but also go on and on and on about how they could never be bigoted in any way whatsoever do to x y z reasons. Sad that it's refreshing to just have someone say "my bad!" And move on. But it is.
OK seeing all the people saying they have nooo idea how people saw it as leaning into negative stereotypes or trying to justify it one way or another completely extinguished that little faith in humanity that gave me 🤪
I will say, I’m not Bi, I’m Gay, but I definitely could connect the way bisexuality was portrayed in the previous video to biphobia. It was unintentional, but I don’t quite understand how one can say there was no link whatsoever. Again, it was unintentional, but I myself when watching the video initially thought the same thing, I shrugged it off, and ended up not watching it (I don’t remember finishing it).
The character was bicurious, while in a relationship and chose to seek out a gender other than their partner without the consent of their partner (cheating) due to their curiosity of their possible bisexuality. It was at the forefront of my mind when I turned on that video. There was an extremely clear case of biphobia there. A bisexual cheating with another gender, not of their partner can and does happen irl, and it can happen in media too, without being biphobic.
In that case, the cheating depended on bisexuality. If the character was not bisexual, that specific incident of cheating would not have happened.
It was not a bisexual character that happened to cheat, it was a character that cheated because they were bisexual.
This section is added on, after posting: What is nice to see, is a youtuber seeking a wrong they’ve possibly made, reviewing it and actively choosing to remove it, and continuing to address it after the removal. That’s top tier! I’ve seen a much worse incident of a company misgendering real life people, of which were trans in a video, about their experience as trans people, and the best they could do was pin a comment in the comment section about their mistake. I checked while writing this portion, it’s still the case.
Biphobia is bad but misogyny is bad too if not worse. The harm done in labeling women “bimbos” is very real. The misogynistic concept of “bimbo” itself is actually dangerous and has caused so much harm and trauma for women. It’s literally a term used by violent oppressors of women.
I'm not really sure if creating a blonde woman, calling her a bimbo and then using her for one-night stand before ignoring her for the rest of the video was the better course of action than the previous one...
oh please... its a sim. as a blonde bimbo myself, i appreciate the representation. lmao.
If it’s not one thing, it’s another.
Enough with this... 🤦🏽
You're reaching. Especially now. 😭😭😭 It's a sim. Get off your moral high horse.
@@judasthemurderer4591 I mean we went from accidental biphobia (With was quite a reach imo) to deliberate stereotyping of people based on their characteristics mixed up with not too friendly name calling.
The video in question did rub me the wrong way but I won't it call it biphobic
I actually did think "How typical, a cheating bisexual" while watching the other video, but I realized (or rather hoped) that wasn't your intention / your opinion, so I just moved on with my day.