Is it worth going "Pro"? Trying out the 🇫🇷 Dagoma Sigma Pro 500Z!
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2024
- What even is a professional 3D printer? We're trying out the made-in-France Dagoma Professional Sigma Pro 500Z, which is a rare delta 3D printer, building on open source tech and adding a "professional" touch to it. But does that make it better? We'll find out!
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:36 Sponsor: 3DMakerPro Moose
2:19 Unboxing
4:34 Accessories
5:24 Toolheads
7:23 Machine overview & assembly
11:45 Troubleshooting
16:16 First Print
18:25 Conclusion - Věda a technologie
I'm French, and Dagoma... it's a disgrace for us... :/
A declining company, stuck in 2010, that fired their best engineer and dares to sell Cartesian printers without a heated bed for 500 euros!...
There isn't any serious French company in 3D printing. I've looked at your test, and I'm truly ashamed, there's nothing right about it.
Octoprint and Marlin on a "pro" machine for 2500 euros, really?!
The French 3D community can't understand how a company like Dagoma manages not to go bankrupt because clearly they make mistake after mistake after mistake...
Mais quelle honte une fois de plus pour Dagoma !!!
Why do you think that Marlin and Octoprint have no place on a professional machine? Because they are open source ? Many professional systems are based on open source.
@@andreas.grundler for that amount of money i think you should at least get klipper...
Parfaitement! Dagoma a "réussi" à garder la tête hors de l'eau, en inondant les ministères de l'éducation et autres en Afrique sub-saharienne, celle qui REJETTE EN BLOC tout partenariat avec la France désormais! Demandez-donc aux Maliens, Nigériens, Burkinabe ce que certaines entreprises françaises mêmes minables ont réussi à fourguer à l'Afrique Noire pauvre, comme produits à jeter à la poubelle! Dagoma indubitablement en fait partie! Quand nous achetions des CR10-minis en nombre, Dagoma proposait LEUR MISERABLE déclinaison à 2 fois le prix pour la moitié de la qualité chinoise! CE truc à $3000 ne les sortira pas de problèmes financiers et autres techniques dont lesquels ils sont noyés! J'attends impatiemment leur reaction à tous les commentaires très negatifs venant des Français... interessant...
Dagoma is still alive because they were saved thanks to covid aid from the French government : czcams.com/video/o_-d1u_Zllw/video.htmlsi=e-pl0hkW5EdEBQ7o&t=1616
This would be my dream 3D printer in 2015
My custom built SeeMeCNC Delta looked better than this in 2015.
@@vt1272 Ditto.
I started with a FolgerTech Kossel in 2015. This definitely would have been a step up in most ways.
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Not really, you will be very upset after you find out you can make any good prints unless you print with speed 10mm/second.
That was the nicest dismantling of a company's "pro" offering I've ever seen.
This whole thing just screams "hobby level consumer machine". Printed parts, generic UI on open source hardware, passively heated chamber and so on. Even their website continues this theme - French only website, no manual (at least according to this video) etc. Didnt convince me we are looking at an industrial level professional machine.
I'm a french 3D printer hobbyist and i'm really ashamed that Dagoma represents the state of 3D printing companies here in france....
I legit think i make better machines than that whole company. Thi supposed "pro" machine runs Octoprint and Marlin with absolutely outdated hardware and electronics, where my ender 3 is using linear rails, Klipper, BLtouch probe, 120°c capable bed, high temp and high speed nozzle and so on
I'm really thinking Dagoma shouldn't exist. that company is on the brim of being a scam for how little they propose for the price.
printed parts are more than fine, they are a good showcase if your stuff works
And for the amount of money spent plus the time he struggle with it, he would have been better off with an He3D K280, about the same print volume and struggles :)
Yes, not even a high end consumer machine.
@@skaltura They need to be looking better than this though.
Dagoma seems to have a different definition of "Pro" than the rest of the world. Probably explains why I've never heard of them.
Pro means well documented, reliable to the point of bulletproof, and supported. It doesn't mean costs the same as 5 V400 machines, but runs at 1/3rd the speed of one.
19:00: What you printing there homie? 🤨
22:20 is far more sus....
It's a loaf of French bread printed on a French machine.
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It is a very veiny loaf of bread though 👀
He says it, he wants that one feature 💀💀 guess his OnlyFans gets a new upload too!
@@OneHappyCrazyPersononlyFrance
It’s a 2017 printer plain and simple. The FLSUN V400 is a far superior machine that works perfectly
hoping to get Flsun S1 :)
And costs 70% less
Yep. For 1/3 the currency.
V400 ran klipper. This things like 2 years further back
In 2017 their french concurrent EmotionTech had a far better delta printer (MicroDelta/Rework) than this garbage 🤣
Dagoma must must have an AMAZING sales team, because for any buyer with a passing interest in 3D printing, there's no chance they'd buy these. I'm actually kind of shocked a company selling things like this can even stay in business with a product like that...
They won’t last. Lulzbot also is stuck in the past and now nobody buys their printers.
Probably just selling support-contracts and making it easy for customers to say that they can 3D-print. Putting one on display that is printing some small dingies to give away and making nice tax-writeoffs.
For the price and customaziation, I don't think they are in it for selling hardware.
As Scott Adams says in one of his Dilbert books, you will do OK as a business if your target market is "idiots and people who will buy anything". They've clearly attempted to market their way out of a bad poroduct by labelling it "professional" and giving it a professional price tag. Plenty of people will be taken in by that!
@@timlong7289 Sales-persons like sails and sales-sels. So, the marketing-department and not for the technical persons in the business. (Almost) no 'people-market' for this kind of things. But it sells when you can show something.
We had special simple nice-looking extra-simple computers setup that looked nice and did less just for selling to sale-persons from other companies. Tens of years just with the same simple 'demonstration' for the sale-department to sell to the sale-departments.
You just 'update' the version (changing the number/year) once in a while and keep the rest of the hard- and software the same, maybe change a color to make it look different ;-)
Finally, a machine for professional extreme adult toy cast makers.
The design is a bit of a cock up.
I came here to make this comment… seriously what is the long white thing he printed? But a… thing. You know?
@@nlagas a baguette 😂
The first thing every one of my friends asked me when they first saw my printer...
Can it print a...?
Yes it can.
Thomas what is that white print?? Pfui😅
At 5:16 the printed part is a belt tension meter STRAIGHT from printables.
Yes, and it has a non-commercial license, which Dagoma are clearly violating.
@@ydoucare55or they licensed it.
@@Jehty21 That would be incredibly stupid when they could just design their own in about 30 minutes.
@@ydoucare55 Damm, thats damning if the case.
You even lose the whole raw raw made in europe, respect ip type arguments, all though there are now many companies that respect Ip everywhere so...
@@Jehty21 let's be real they probably did not.
Way too nice. You don't have to lambast them, but you glossed over some pretty significant shortcomings. For a $2k+ machine, Dagoma has missed the boat. The wiggly 3D printed control panel, anemic bed temps, wacky control theme, and odd setup (or lack of setup) are just non-starters for a $2500 machine. FLSun will likely wipe the floor with this machine at less than half the price.
Seriously. You're gonna charge enough to buy three brand-new Prusa Mk4 kits, I'm gonna expect it to outperform those by a hefty margin. This thing looks like a KS project from 2018 that has spent the past 6 years making excuses before delivering this under the threat of lawsuits.
This seems to be what I would call the third type of "professional" machine; a "professional" machine made for non-professionals (usually educators), who want that first type of professional machine you mentioned but have absolutely no clue on what to look for (or rather, what to look out for) and want the reassurance of having a "pro" machine.
This is why they seem to be aiming fo a bunch of interesting features without truly considering how to implement them well.
It really reminds me of my experience with Makerbot's Replicator+, and my experience dealing with those vs a Mk3 or even a stock Ender 3 back in 2018.
Yep, this machine is noob bait.
Or this is made for the idiots that think because it is was made in their country it must be good and that by buying one they are supporting local businesses.
In France they say that we don't have oil but we have ideas. Except it would be better to have good ones sometimes.
This is quite symptomatic of all these small French companies which invest mainly in marketing without having the skills and production tools.
Their real target is mainly administrations and schools.
exactly they are alive because French Government gives €
The one french thing I own which is of very good quality is my Peugeot... pepper grinder.
Yes, finally someone said it, if they don't publish the price, it's a scam!!!
The only reason to ask for a quote is when buying in bulk. Having to ask for a quote for a single item is just a way to get you in contact with a sales rep who will probably figure out the maximum you would pay and try to upsell their better products.
Prices for items should be up front and transparent, the company knows exactly how much it cost to make and how much they can reasonably sell them for, but they are greedy and want to try and squeeze everyone for as much money as possible.
How far away is the dumpster ?
Not close enough
the printer is the dumpst..
At a minimum I would expect a support team to answer any questions or aid in setup, multiple user management, and multiple printer management. So it can be used in a professional environment where people with different skill levels may all be using the same machine or machines.
From what I saw in this video, I think that an Ender 3 'Pro' is more 'Pro' than this Dagoma printer. In my direct experience with the printers we used at my job, I would consider the Lulzbot TAZ 5 that we purchased about 8 years ago for about $2300 as a 'Pro' printer. It was very well designed and put together, and it performed very reliably with very litte trouble. As a matter of fact, even though I retired from that job about 3 years ago, my company is still using that TAZ 5 printer, and it is performing as well as it ever did. We later purchased a Markforged Onyx 2 printer (at about $8000) for print carbon-fiber nylon parts, and that also performed very reliably for us. It could also add fiberglass fiber to reinforce the nylon carbon-fiber parts, which to my knowledge is something that only Markforged printers can do. So, I would definitely consider the Markforged printers 'Pro' quality as well. I think to me, the main criteria that I believe make for 'Pro' quality are durability and reliability.
I think in the realm of 3D printers, pro doesn’t even mean reliable or durable since consumer printers are generally good enough.
The markforged is pretty unique though and if you need it then it would be well worth the price. Continuous fibre is just so much stronger, there are a few videos on CZcams of comparisons and how much extra strength the continuous fibres add. Other models they have can do more than fibreglass. For $16k you an get one that can do continuous carbon fibre, Kevlar, fibreglass and HSHT (High Strength, High Temperature) fibreglass.
From watching this whole video, with how generous Tom is by not just trashing the thing and giving them all the benefits of the doubt, I could be convinced this was in some way a grant money sink or similar, because there is no way this is all a company could come up with if hobbyists can make better solutions as individuals.
I mean really, talk about a thing that has no reason to be. I kept waiting for some selling point a business would care about, but it's obvious their training material cant be good if the printer isn't even finished, QC clearly isn't there, and it feels stuck in 2015, so I got nothing.
My company bought a "professional" printer for 2000€. Absolute piece of outdated garbage, completely locked down and proprietary parts, and prints worse and less reliably than a stock ender 3.
When it comes to 3d printers, unless you're doing something truly exotic anything claiming to be professional seems to be overpriced crap.
@@Lolwutfordawin unless you need high temp materials then you might as well just go for a high end consumer 3D printer or the X1E. Businesses don’t need to buy something just because it has “Pro” in the name, often the consumer versions can be just as good.
Aint no way Thomas just did a "TF2 meet the sniper" style intro I LOVE IT XD
I enjoyed how assembly segment was edited: crisp sound, focus on important steps, camera angles focus on whats happening
Thank you!
19:00 that sample print ... so veiny
It's a GTMAX that speaks French!!!
Here in Brazil, there is a manufacturer (GTMAX) that calls its printers Pro, but they are basically the same as this one, many printed things still use Arduino Mega with ramps, some have Raspberry.
and sell as professional printers.
And they are extremely expensive.
Wow, for €2500? Not a (pardon my french) chance. If you need a large build volume you'll be able to pick up an Orangestorm Giga for around that price once it hits retail, or a Prusa XL with dual print heads for less, or a small print farm of either Prusa MK4's or Bambu Lab P1P or P1S printers, which are going to be far more useful than this utter failure which will turn into a dust collector in a corner somewhere.
Exactly
Exactly. I have printed hundreds of parts over the years and almost all of them benefit from having a larger bed size rather than having a tall printing height.
In terms of specs a P1S beats this in most areas other than nozzle temp. However this printer can’t use it’s hotter nozzle because it has a 80 C bed and no chamber heater so a P1S is a much better and cheaper choice.
I've got a Dagoma Neva that I got from their Kickstarter campaign in 2016 or something and watching this video.....weeelll, it appears they've not learned anything since 2016. The slicer? Oh, it's the exact same thing they got in 2016! Print head having the tendency of just clogging up for no good reason? I haven't been able to get mine to work and I've tried multiple times over the years! Wobbly rods and print head? Oh, yes, that was also an issue already in 2016! Their customer support was worse than useless, too.
I have absolutely nothing positive to say about the company or their printers.
Judging just by the specs alone and assuming the printer was high quality, it is not worth the money. Only 80 C on the bed? That is low enough it might struggle with ABS, let alone engineering grade materials like PC or PPS or PVDF.
@@conorstewart221480c is what Bambu Lab A1 mini offer and that printer is $249 lol
19:03 that bread got some thick…. erm veins? 😅
Bread i think it was a toy for him/ her 😂
i feel like most 'pro' printer that are FDM/SLA printers are just 3D printing company that has a really good salesman or liaison to government body or schools. They offer no more reliability, but offer better than average support network but will obviously cost you more for the luxury of being able to fix your printer. There is probably exception, markforge probably being one of them but in most cases pro just mean professional sales team
If I were looking to spend about $3k on a printer for my company, I'd probably just grab a few BBL or Prusa machines unless I needed some to print with some really exotic materials. Those machines cost less upfront, take less time to set up and are probably more reliable. There's also plenty of documentation from both companies and from the community on configuration and maintenance
Hi ! i'm French and over here, Dagoma has a bad reputation in hobby market thats why they have changed their target to international/Professional market..but still clowns
So they realised that they can’t compete in the hobbyist market due to there being much better printers for much cheaper so they decided to call their products “pro” and hope companies are dumb enough to buy it?
I LOVE THE TEAM FORTRESS 2 REFERENCE!
That's an... interesting test print there Tom.
The differences between a "pro" level machine or tool and a consumer-level one is chiefly the longevity/durability of the pro version (they might be expected to be in use almost constantly), and the support available in terms of commissioning and use.
Sounds like the Dagoma struggles a bit to meet the pro level expectations.
Meantime, I have a hard time seeing this as any sort of improvement over say the Prusa XL or Bambu Labs X1C/E.
Putting Klipper onto it would be the best option.
Oh and please exchange the horribly flimsy linear rods to get more speed and acceleration combined with quality. Hopefully that works a bit.
on a $3000 machine "pro" machine this is unnaceptable that you would need to throw more money in for it to work :/
really well done review. Very concise, but also very thorough. Nice work
How are there no comments about that intro? The correct music, quoting more than just the one line everyone knows, and it's actually relevant to the content of the video. Very nice, now excuse me while I go rewatch Meet the Team
I've always asked myself what could be the difference between a Bambulax X1 (for example) and a professional printer that has 5 or 10 times the price. But i hope the next time you review a serious one (a raise3D for example, or everything else deserving the "pro" adjective). While watching this Dagoma, after half of the video, i was keeping asking myself who would buy it....80 degrees build plate, slow printing, no manual, crappy menu translation, crappy Cura version (and so on...) for 3000 euro? are you kidding me? Now i know why i stick to buying german cars...
22:16 I had a sneaking suspicion that calculator said 5318008 on it at first glance, so I went back and confirmed that it did. Dirty boy 😝
To me, professional just means you get paid to do something, as in it's your profession (and you can think the hydraulic press channel for that SuperVinlin)
You think that's dirty? Take a closer look at that 'baguette'. LOL
@@joeschmoe3815 What makes you think I wasn't also talking about your mom's baguette? Keepo
There’s the third type of Pro which is to get sell you a product in order to get the buyer to bring in consultants because the thing is made way more complicated than necessary.
I love tinkering, but for professional use, I need something that works, consistently and no tinkering needed. Part of me will miss fixing and tinkering with my CR10. But now that I am moving to production of my work…something like the Bambu printer is what I need. It has been a game changer. Once day once I have a bit more of time. I will go back to my CR10 to tinker and get my nerd fix. But until then..I need the result I am getting with something better.
Thank you Thomas for doing this review. This serves as a great warning to others. Forgoe this and use that same 3k to buy 5 to 6 Bambu lab P1S or if you truly need the 500mm height buy a Comgrow t500 or wait for the Elegoo Gigastorm orange.
Um for that price, I’d be angry if this was what I received and expected a “professional” machine. A Bambi X1C or P1S (I own a P1S) to me, is a far superior machine for half to 1/3 the cost.
If you really need a “pro” printer then the X1E would be much more capable than this here or like you said a P1S would be better. A P1S has better specs and build quality, plus is reliable and isn’t from some small brand that no one has heard of that can’t even make a manual for their product. The only thing the P1S falls behind in is nozzle temp (300 C vs 350 C) but this printer can’t even make use of that heat because of the low temperature bed and lack of chamber heater.
if that's a "pro" machine then i'm god.
3d printed parts all over, pretty much stock firmware, and the printed hotend assembly is even tearing in the layer lines.
this machine right here is the absolute perfect example of why i don't mind bambulab being closed source.
You would get more functionality and higher build quality out of a P1S for a lot less money.
At work we should go professional, not a creality so it ended up in a creatbot DE, it’s slow unknown in forums, slicer has no profile for it and it’s boden 2.85mm filament, the filament act like sofa spring when rolled up and PLA cracks in the tubes. I’m happy to have 4 different consumers printers at home proving the hobby can be useful. Else I’m afraid it would have crushed my 3D printer spirit.
That is not a baguette. Thomas explain yourself.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
It's a "veiny" bagette
This exact "bagette" they show to you after you get it, but not for free, for money!
19:06 ohhh it's a baguette! I thought it was something else...
I recently purchased a 2nd hand Massportal printer. Amazing build quality. Still working on klipperizing it as no time at the moment.
Wow, new printer just straight from 2014!
In my experience 'professional' means locked down. When working in a regulated environment (aviation, medical devices) sometimes you need the ability to lock settings down but imo companies take it too far or as an excuse to not build out features. I think you'd be surprised at the lack of features in stratasys's grabcad. Most professional machines also tend to require a tech to install and setup the machine no matter how easy it is due to warranties and other reasons.
In the same pricebracket a Formlabs Form 3+ is just a plug&play monster. There's onboarding on the machine, there's loads of documentation both text and video and the slicer, while limited in features (hello, where's my hollowing and holes? I suppose it presumes your model is FINAL before importing) really is just plug & play. You choose the resin & layer height and it will do everything for you, including sending the print over wifi even to printers on ANOTHER CONTINENT through the cloud dashboard.
In my several month long history with the printer for work I've had about 1% failure rate on prints and it's been going almost non stop. Truly a professional work horse.
imagine dealing with delta artifacts in the year of our lord 2024
I think they just made a fancy cabinet in CAD then dug around to find parts to fit in it. That is not what I would call a professional grade machine. I would have expected linear rails given the flex those 1000mm long rods will have. I'm guessing the tool with the hardened nozzle has a different thermistor but why not just use the high temp thermistor on the other hotend to avoid re-flashing Marlin ? Seems like that have no real engineering to back their product.
The question is really, what is a "pro" 3D printer. Some may argue that as long as you use it professionally it's pro, others may argue that it has to be something made by the giants in the 3D printing realm, such as Stratasys. As someone who had experience with hobby, mid range and proper professional 3D printers (that cost 20 times more than the one in this video), it's not an easy line to draw in the sand. If you work professionally and time is money honestly there is a huge draw to companies like Stratasys. While the cost is eye watering, even for their consumables, their printers just tend to work, and provide great results, and they have good support (in my experience) when things do go south. Our printers run for thousands of hours a year though, so the more robust the printer is, and the more hands off we can be, the better. Their cost is quickly offset. I simply haven't seen any of these mid range printers coming anywhere near close to compete with that, and for that reason I at least have a hard time calling them pro. Though, I can see fab labs, or companies who only do the occasional print every now and then benefiting greatly from them, as they don't have the business case for more expensive printers.
I mean, just get the Qidi Max 3 and it is a much better "industrial" machine if that's how you're defining this one. the Qidi can reach 120C on the bed and is closed with an active heated chamber which allows it to print tough materials without much problems. Yeah it would be really difficult to print ULTEM or high-grade polymers but it can do well with most engineering materials.
heard its an unreliable POS though. Bambu lab all the way, there is nothign that comes close in reliability AND quality - the combination that actually matters
@matthiwi6901 I didn't hear. We have 4 units in our factory and they're absolutely fantastic. You would be right for older revisions of the machine. But the current ones are fantastic and they are very reliable from our own usage.
I love the idea of these "professional grade" machines, and then comparing them against my X1Carbon and realizing, my X1 is like the best printer ever made.
This is a very odd choice to evaluate what a professional level printer is. Regardless, after watching the video, it seems fair to say this printer is less "Pro" than an Ender 3 Pro. Every single aspect of the experience looked worse than my experience with a $100 Ender 3 Pro from Micro Center that I bought years ago.
A bit of feedback for your editor: the in-video text flashes too fast in some scenes some sort of an audio indicator about it would also be welcome (not a loud chime, but a small beep, maybe?)
Most likely a personal preference, I did not find this being an issue
I have used the Makerbot Method. i have used Ultimaker 3s. I have use a Stratasys Fortis. And every time it's been a disappointment. Not that they didn't work. They worked fine. "But for the price" is my mantra. And "for the price" these "pro" priced machines are not delivering a pro experience. The only one I used that I was not disappointed with was Raise 3D, and that was with their N2+. Then they restructured, named it the N2Pro, and doubled the price of it. But it's still a good machine for the size. (Better than this, IMHO.)
Now we're living in a Post Bambu world. And I'll be darned if they didn't set the standard for power and price that even these pro machines need to take note of.
Props for the Team Fortress 2 nod.
The only professional part of this printer is their logo printed on it's side 😂
OMG very compatible with the corner of any room though i love the dual fan design
That belt tension thingy looks just like the one Prusa posted on the prusament printables account, released under CC 4.0 (attribution-non commercial-no derivatives). Under that distribution with attribution to the designer in any form is legal; tossing a free one in the box when someone buys a printer may well be arguably OK but there should be some indication of where the design came from. This is assuming that it is the design produced by Prusa (or a modification thereof) of course, this video doesn't give a clear enough look at it to see if it is the Prusa belt tension thingy or a very similar one developed by Dagoma.
Love the Tf2 reference in the intro 😄
I was running 2 very similar equipped deltas from a Kickstarter.. Trium.. ( Also Marlin and octoprint) Got them to acceptable / much better performance after reflushing to klipper. Shouldn't be to hard to do.
great content as always ! i found the same for the Raise machines .. they are heavily promoted but when we got one as a business, and tried to get customer support they denied it as apparently customer support is only in USA.. we had to heavily modify the printer, the bed, the head etc. Just to get it working ok. There were a lot of design flaws, and you can see it on the forums, Raise is usually blaming the customer and stalling them asklign stupid quiestions and askign to provide gcode and files then they 'rep[licate' and find no problems saying its users fault etc. When next - after some tiem they release new model with all features that were lacking added - but so poorly they even worse now.. I can go on for ages. but yes someone should do honest reviews like you do and show that. FOR ME THE PRO PRINTER IS : Ready to go when powered on. Have spares of all cosumables ready to go. Comes with Oil glue , etc. And instructions on how to use and what not to do + sample filament and print on the memory ready to go to test the machine !
Thomas,
Long time fan, been watching since I found your channel in college (2016) when I was printing on my Robo3D R1+.
Thank you for all the information you have put into the world for free, you have been an immense asset to myself and so many others.
I have a small business where I 3d print custom items, often multi-color.
Currently using a Banbulab X1C with 4-AMS, about to switch to PrusaXL for increased reliability of color changes, decreased waste and more transparency and adjustability in the machine and software itself.
Would love to know your thoughts on the 5-tool XL before I pull the trigger (video, blog, anything really). If not, no worries at all.
Again thank you for your years of well-thought-out opinions, analysis and advice. Your careful approach has always set you above the crowd of 3d printing youtubers in my eyes, and I look forward to videos from you for years to come.
Respectfully,
-BF3DPrinting
Thank you! I'll actually be picking up an XL next week, expect some content in early May 😉
Pro usually means that it has a CE Declaration that allows "unattended professional use" = The case is from Dibond or Sheet Metal.
did you season the hot end and tube. a little 3in one oil with filament helps
For me Professional means reliability and support (might require licence but must be available)
Thats why for all my power tools i use bosh professional - i need tools to be reliable.
love that sniper quote at the start :D
I guess the 'a bit outdated' model is still nice and professional for beeing a stepping-stone for the more customized models for 'the real printers' with other beds and extra heat for the chambers and second extruder which can be much more expensive but still using the same start-base.
Heated chamber, fan and filter on top... just customer-installed things and supported by Octoprint and some basic interface.
Of course with just a small firmware-change you can upload to the printer from within Octo in a couple of minutes, you can change a lot of values too and just have the printer setup by Dagoma at your shop?
Probably also using another payed subscription for a professional slicer...
Sooo many times I have seen tools for professionals that worked that way. Starting with 'very affordable' to customized and much more expensive fast. That " startthingy" is then just to attract people as potential customers that get a support-contract to do all for them. Of course if anything is wrong, you can just swap out the whole printhead fast, ship the 'old' one to the factory and get another one back ready to go.
But... what is that you were printing and holding in 'skin color'?
Reminds me a bit of my first printer, Trium3D, a kickstarter delta printer
I really wanted to see something here that would make me go "oh, yeah, that's the difference" - Maybe, like, superior service, no fuss operation, etc....
This printer wouldn't even cut it as a consumer printer for $999, honestly... I don't understand why it exists, unless they offer 100% lifetime service for that price. Like, dude... I see the pillowing on the printed parts from here!
Thanks for an interesting video, though, Thomas.
13:27 Dual vertical monitor gang rise up.
2 4k monitors one on top of each other has been a new world for me for productivity all without that asymmetrical neck pain Id been developing as a developer with the ol main and side monitor setup.
I keep mine right next to each other so its like a have a big canvas and endless ways to organize.
If you use windows I highly recommend you give powertoys a try. Window organization will be next level.
Printings a good job mate!
Professional should mean = Just prints out of the box, is incredibly reliable, profiles are 100% tuned in (your a business and you don't have countless hours to spend messing about), should be fast (for quick prototyping or selling parts), have easy to use comprehensive manuals, super fast delivery of spares (having a broken machine will impact your business).
Cool...I used that same calculator getting a mechanical engineering degree for 3.5 years of college. Still use it every day. Nothing about this machine stands out as being pro. Look into the 3d printing stuff from Titan Robotics. Now that's pro. (No, I don't work for them or use their machines, but I have stayed at a Holiday Express.)
Your face expression whilst homing is priceless 😂 Using an absolutely outdated version of Cura is an absolute no go. For me it doesn’t seem to be a professional, but rather like beta hobbyist level of a printer. I can’t really imagine that it will be selling well.
the printers I have used at my company usually come with someone that has to come on site and perform install and setup. This tracks with no assembly manual but the company seems to small to actually facilitate that. (this has primarily been with Stratasys, Markforge, EOS, and SLM machines, the last 2 of which are L-PBF metal machines so in a bit of a different league to start)
At least the EOS are not "Pro" but "Industrial". That's a completely other league and sets you back some 6 or even 7 digit numbers of Euros.
That lower control panel bezel (the whole black piece) wiggles around every-time you touch the thing... that bugs me. 😃 Funny that you chose to print a loaf of French bread on a French machine. 😃
I'm french and i know this company very well, they make crapy printers since 2015, it was ok at that time, but in 2024 this is not acceptable ! Now they still selling awful machines at expensive prices, and you know why ? Because they fired all R&D and engineers team, the CEO is only interested in making money, he don't care about costumers and the ecology side is only for marketing. This company were nearly in bankrupt by the end of 2019, but still alive because they were saved thanks to covid aid from the French government, totally shameful !!!
Haha, my 2 year old voron 2.4 looks just the same, still. I DO have side panels, to print ASA, and I don't have a lidl clamp holding up the z-axis.
But the rest is identical.
nice idea printing a baguette. also what calculation did you do on that calculator?
I'm surprised that print you were holding didn't get you demonetized :-)
To answer your questions:
- Professional for me means: Having a machina that works, has good costumer support and everything figured out in case something does not work - Not the case here though..
- I chose Bambulabs P1S as for now its the best working out of the box printer IMO. Great for fast prototyping, great for quality prints, incredible documentation and a incredible community.
- What I want you to do with it: Smash it with a Vorschlaghammer and through it away.
Seriously.. Why would anyone by this printer having all the existing alternatives? Hm...
Money staying firmly in my pocket on this one.
Love the TF2 Sniper intro, ;)
Way nice of a review. I'd have boxed it up and sent it back. I'd sooner run 3 Bambu X1 Carbons for that. AND have fast, high quality prints in almost any material.
Oh.
So we remade the Tiko then.
Awesome. Cocorico.
id love to see it this printer work better. hardware wise it looks like it has potential
Very interesting review, if you could review more of these professional level machines it would be awesome.
You mean, reviewing an actual pro machine that at least would make us say: "ok... that makes sense".
Pro should mean -> support and reliability. Pro for 3000 Euros means -> very good support and very reliable, which is vital for small companies using this. This is seriously lacking in both these things which I totally don't understand. I do get the high price, small companies in Europe can't really mass produce, but then you definitely need something clever that people can admire.
Professional to me is a higher level of quality, finer tolerances, better after sales and better durability. These days in the 3d printing space I feel that professional is all about non-filament printing and batch printing. Sure ultimaker are selling pro filament printers, but are they really better in this day and age for the price?
20:40 OMG, the delta i built over a decade ago and abused the hell out of, is less wobbly than the $3k machine.... now i don't feel so bad.
anycubic linear with the spool and all the electronics relocated to the TOP.
octoprint onboard just the same as this
superbe vidéo , belle machine .....
You did print a baguett on french maschine! 👌😂
Love the TF2 reference, even the music hehe
I would pick a core-XY printer with a larger print area than having such a tall print height. The speed along with the rigidity of the core-XY motion system will be much better to print out large number of parts quickly.
Dogoma 500z- 80 deg bed *350 deg hotend 200Δ x501mm max speed 150mm/s $2500-$3000 (enclosure included)
Flsun V400 - 110 deg bed 300 deg hotend 300Δx410mm max speed 600mm/s $600- 1000 (enclosure sold seperate)
Flsun S1 - 120 deg bed 350 deg hotend 320Δx420mm max speed 1200mm/s $1500-2000 (enclosure included)
Tevo LilMon- 120 deg bed 260 deg hotend 340ΔX500mm max speed 300mm/s $700-800 (no enclosure)
Just from similar delta printers - Several are faster/similar volume for cheaper. some without 3d printed parts.
I think the pro is lacking features that others come with or easily can get for fraction of the price. I do use a V400, but just by specs Dogoma is not close enough to have the Pro title.
Doing a read only image is a pain when you want configs to save, files to upload and software to update. And even if you partition the microSD, it can get corrupted by a sudden power outage. That is unless you buy a good SD card and don't go with the cheap stuff. Gen an industrial one and try to make it die. I tried. It refused. after a few hundred cycles of switching the power off while running an i/o benchmark against it. It booted up as if nothing happened.
Hope you get hold of the upcoming Flsun printers soon
Pro or professional can mean anything from better parts to industrial use. In this case of the Dagoma printer you proberly need to take the 21 days training they offer to be able to use it. It is not uncommon to get/buy training to be able to use "indutrial" machines, if you are going to use it in a company.
In this case though, you could just save money not at all training them and have a bambu or ultimaker or makerbot or damn near anything modern.