Is The Qidi Q1 Pro a P1S Killer? Detailed Review & Comparisons
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- Qidi just released their new flagship 3D printer, the Q1 Pro. But what's changed from their previous generation X-Smart/Plus/Max 3? And is it a true competitor to the Bambu P1S? In this video I take a deep dive into the Q1 Pro, telling you everything you need to know, and more
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00:00 The Q1 Pro Looks... Familiar?
00:38 Disclosures
00:56 What Came Before (X-3 Series)
01:17 Mistakes Were Made
02:00 Incremental Improvements
02:47 Where Does the Q1 Pro Fit In?
03:12 The Specs
03:39 Spool Holder
03:54 Filament Tangle Sensor & Diameter Monitoring
05:04 The Extruder
05:29 The Hotend
06:12 High Flow... Or Not?
07:07 The Toolhead
07:20 Motion System
07:51 Gantry Levelling
08:45 Bed Meshing
09:00 Peripherals
09:33 The Biggest Change
09:51 Nozzle Wiper
10:09 Chamber Heater
10:41 Under The Hood: Electronics
11:18 Web Interface & Firmware
12:09 Input Shaping Results
13:03 Klipper Configuration
13:20 Camera Monitoring
13:38 Print Quality
14:03 Slicer Setup
14:16 Usage Experience
15:00 NEW Filament Unload Procedure
15:14 Summary
15:55 Outro - Věda a technologie
I have had such good luck with my Bambu X1C and P1P that I would have a hard time switching to anything else that didn't bring more to the table.
5:15 cnc kitchen did a test and determined that the reason why brass nozzles grind down over time is because the nozzle is dragged over the cooled filament.
However, The path that the filament takes through the nozzle is not ground down at all practically, because the filament is hot at that time, and the carbon fibers can move inside of the viscous liquid.
As far as the extruder gears, The filament is not viscous.... But also the filament is not scraping as a nozzle would across a cooled part... So I am not sure how this will fare in time, But just wanted to add those two cents.
Thanks for sharing! Good insights.
Also it is hardened so no worries anyways ;)
I’ve got a max3 qidi are amazing at responding to issues and send out parts for warranty no questions asked. Amazing.
I received my Q1 Pro two weeks back, purchased after owning and having great success with my Qidi XSmart3. Just running some PETG prints tonight on the Q1 like the XSmart3 flawless prints every time running at 240mm/s settings. Still lots to learn with Fluidd have to figure out how to set up to record videos with Fluidd where I can save timelapse. That would be good one to add for the Tube. Love my new Qidi printers to date. Just bought some higher price nylon and CF will be testing out next. At $469 with filament runout detection and bad print detection plus heated chamber this is a great buy. To date both Qidi machines have extremely high print success rate. They even print nice prints at higher speeds.
THE FIRST review I see which shows ACTUAL max acceleration based on measurements (or acceleration tower test, which would show the broadening of the gap).
You earned a subscriber.
Thanks for the flow test. Great review.
Real nice video with a lot of information. Thank you.
Great review! A good perspective
Thank you!
I've just ordered one. It's frustrating that Qidi use a non-standard nozzle as I'd like to be able to easily use third party volcano nozzles but apparently that can be solved with a minor tweak as the length is only 2mm different.
I would get rid of the locking ring for the bowden tube on the toolhead: it will stay in place anyway during print due to filament tension, only it will go backwards when large retracts are commanded.
Orca 2.0rc has a default Q1 profile now
cool, ive been using the slicer that came with the machine, and the website none of the Software Firmare buttons work, the mobile app is in chinese when you install it too.
@mav68nrs yea I downloaded the app but it's the same screen as the web browser so it's not really needed you can't use it remotely you have to be connected to the wifi that the machine is on
I would rather go with a company that makes mistakes and stands by its product after the sale (Qidi). Unlike a company like Creality that releases shit, doesn't respond to emails and moves on.
Really nice video thank you, I brought one, and was wondering how to setup the Exclude object in Klipper, as like you said in the video it’s missing and I think this would be a nice feature to have.
Thanks for your time.
Thanks! Search exclude object in the Klipper documentation. You just need to add that section to your config to enable it.
@@ygk3d thank you for your reply, I will look at this now. 👍🏻
Thanks for the very informative review. I was considering ?M Pro but with its limited 280 C nozzle, I believe I believe the Q1 Pro is a better choice. It appears to print TPU fairly well, which has been one of my biggest concerns.
Sweet, at around 13:35 you dive into the camera settings. How do you get to tht setting and what do you type to access the setting.
This was an advertisment video, not a real review.
First upgrade will be that PSU to a Meanwell... if I recall that PSU in the Q1 has a fan that always spins.
Good suggestions on some settings that might be changed. I ordered this printer and it should be here by the end of the week. It is quite an upgrade for me coming from an early Ender 3. The slinging bed always ruined the moon lamp print after 24hrs so I am hoping to finish it this time. So many new things like not having to run in with an sd card to print, controlled temp chamber, camera, auto bed level and self feeding printhead all combine to make this as exciting as when I did my first 3D print.
Nice review! To me, this is the new best all around printer for the money. I really want to get one. The print quality I have seen from reviews is generally fantastic. I also really want the advanced filament capabilities. It's not perfect, of course, but channels like NeedItMakeIt are already making mods to ease some of the gripes and it just seems really solid overall. Would be cool to see you print something out of an exotic material on it!
Thanks man! Totally agree with you on that.
So once input shaper is properly calibrated, you'd say that this prints at about the same quality as a Bambu?
I would be really interested in how it handles largers ABS parts.
I've seen some reviews where the corners of the steel sheet lift up because the magnet sticker ist not strong enough.
Thanks for the review, what I haven't seen in any review is hands-on what I can do with this printer than I cant with my X1C. For example, is it true that the heated chamber can allow better layer adhesion for some materials, what else can you do with the heated chamber and the extra 50C temperature for the hotend.
Thanks for watching! The heated chamber helps with ABS. Less warping and better layer adhesion. But even a passively heated chamber like that on the X1C can get up to around 40C, which is workable as well. Stefan from CNC Kitchen did a good comparison video to show the actual tangible benefit of a heated chamber. The extra 50C on the hotend will only be beneficial for engineering grade materials like polycarbonate.
Problem is, the P1S isn't massively more expensive than this & it's really hard to see why anyone would choose this rather than saving a little more and getting a far more refined product.
How the hell is the P1S a "far more refined product" exactly? You sound like a Bambu fanboy bro.
@@drconflict629Not to mention it's $440 vs $700
The Bambu is closed source, that's a deal breaker for many.
@@drconflict629you have Bambu which has an amazing track record of reliability vs a company that has had many design issues and finally found some traction. I’ll stick with bambu for now
@@drconflict629 because it objectively is, not discussion about that. I would still get this one though, just because of that chamber heater.
Great overview with details. Appreciated the overview of their history when they were first competing with bambu. Their previous Gen was poor and kinda made me to write Qidi off as a no go and i bought a bambu lab printer instead. This video on their newest printer make me to likely consider qidi again
Thank you very much!
Would their 0.6mm bimetal nozzles improve speed over 0.4 in any meaningful way?
OrcaSlicer from V2.0.0 RC Release has the profile included
Nice!
The material choice for the nozzle is plated copper, which should have as good or better thermal conductivity than brass. Plated copper nozzles can also go to higher temperatures than brass.
Ah, that makes much more sense. Thanks for pointing that out!
Thank you.
How do you view the Qidi Max3 ?
I'm contemplating that vs. Creality K1Max.
It’s a solid printer as well. And less than $1000 I think with recent price reduction, so not badly priced. Not sure how that compares to K1 Max. It’s gotten a lot of updates since it was first released so it’s at the point now where it’s pretty polished. It’s missing a few of the new features from the Q1, like tangle detection and gantry leveling, but still a good printer.
The Max 3 is a great printer think it at $849 or so. I am going to wait a bit to see if they release a new dual extruder large format, perhaps one that includes multi filament. I can see where having second extruder for support would be nice. I will say both my Qidi Xsmart3 and Q1 do a fine job with supports. Im willing to wait until Spring 2025 before hopping into large format printer, in hopes Qidi has new large format machine. The Max 3 is a very nice machine, capable of printing large parts reliably. They offer superior customer support, very happy.
I plan to use a Trianglelab WIDI adapter to be able to install a CHT nozzle. While true that 14 mm^3/s is enough, I want to be sure to still get maximum layer adhesion at that speed, which as of not it might not be true (see channel DIY PERSPECTIVE).
As an engineer, I always get triggered when someone says it is 245mm^3. The build are is 245mmx245mnx245mm, that is 14.706.125mm^3. Sorry to be so petty but I had to say it...
Haha good point!
Or maybe 245^3mm^3
(245mm)^3 is also correct
Confused... unless they changed things the specs say it's a 64bit ARM and the extruder gears are also said to be hardened steel.
The gears that grip the filament are steel. The gears that drive them are plastic.
I need a recommendation for an Idex or something that can print at least 2 color tpu prints.
Check out the Vivedino Marathon. I’ll have some content on that coming soon.
Is that warping @10:40? I guess it doesn't matter how new a printer is, if it has an enclosure, or if it has a heater, it won't magically solve this problem!
Yes. This was on the x-max 3. It warped slightly, even with the heated chamber. I didn’t put any glue stick on the bed, which would have helped.
Its does not have Vocano form factor at 19mm length vs 21mm on Volcano nozzles.
I never messed with klipper before, how do you get to the printer.cfg to change the max accel? I'd like to do that for this machine as well, I just got one. Thanks
very easily, no worries
The nozzle is not used for the mesh, because it is significantly worse in accuracy, the inductive probe is a lot better. The nozzle probe is good enough for getting a nozzle offset or even the bed mesh, but the inductive probe is more accurate in other regards, no reason not to use it. Here are my results of probe accuracy:
nozzle probe: range 0.041718 stddev: 0.013429
inductive probe: range 0.007344 stddev: 0.002062
Now another problem is that, why is the piezo nozzle probe not as accurate as one would expect? Well, I don’t know, but I do hope it was better. Slowing probing speed down could lead to the piezo not generating enough voltage to trigger, so that’s not a solution. I guess we’ll just have to accept it.
That’s interesting! Thanks for sharing these insights.
Filament diameter or movement sensor it is?
I suppose it may be able to do both. Good thought!
@@ygk3d I can’t wait for the fully open source version of the firmware for this printer. Someone will do it very soon I guess, given obsolete klipper etc.
Nozzle -> Creality K1/K1 Max addon hotends ship with full COPPER nozzle with hardened steel insert! Imagine my surprise that spare part ordered with the machine is better specced than the original, which afaik was just brass / nickel plated copper. (had blob of death, so couldn't double check ... perhaps i should burn out the nozzle and see, didn't trash yet)
That flow rate of Qidi Q1 is **ABYSMAL**. Stock SV07 Plus with brass nozzle does 24mm3/s reliably (peak 26-28mm3/s) with PLA. Elegoo's counterpart does 20-21mm3/s, and Creality K1 does _according to default profiles_ something like 23mm3/s but i have not tested (it werks, don't touch!). To best of my knowledge K1 CHCB-OT w/ CHT Nozzle goes well north of 30mm3/s.
All measurements at 0.4mm nozzle size
and even with those flow rates, i'm almost always flow rate limited on my prints :O
It's very easy to tune to flow rate max instead of speed max these days.
@@skalturaIt already hits diminishing returns, as noted in the video. It's a non-issue.
1080x720? Are you sure you didn't mean 1280 for the 16:9 ratio?
Mhhh.. yeah, I think you’re right. Thanks!
Nice review! You covered a lot of areas that other reviewers did not. I have older X-Plus that I ran exclusively with Polymaker PC Max that I was very happy with despite a few flaws (even made a custom upgraded “Icarus” print head for it). I almost pulled the trigger on a new P1S with integrated AMS, but the Q1 Pro at the preorder price of $469 (actually $454 and free shipping with an extra incentive discount) was just too crazy to pass up. Plus I’m all about engineering materials, not multicolor artsy stuff. I’ve also seen some really nice ABS and PC prints coming from other reviewers testing the Q1 Pro. I’ll probably incorporate a sealed filament spool dry box into my Q1 Pro. Won’t be as slick as the AMS but it’ll do the job, and all waaaay less than $1000+ P1S/AMS price tag😊
Thank you! Great points.
If you like engineering material you should be able to do PPS CF on the Q1 Pro as well.
The engineer in me thanks you for the workplace level presentation I’m accustomed to. Subscribed.
The nozzle body does not seem stainless, my guess it's nickel plated copper
You’re probably right
@@ygk3d a file could tell
@@ygk3d 100%. Same thing for extruder gears, they are hardened but also plated
Im always curious how easy the machines are to mod/maintain, especially with the plastic body style. Is the cable chain loom easily accessed and replaceable? And if you SSH into the printer and use htop, is the Raspberry pi clone CPU being maxed out with almost no overhead like on the creality K1 series?
Its also hard for me to see from the video if there is room to add carbon filtration. Maybe I should just put the entire unit into a negative pressure cabinet with a fish tank air pump venting air to outside? Is that a crazy idea? The idea being that you minimize the volume of costly air conditioned air being vented away while the slight negative pressure cabinet prevents fumes from escaping. One concern would be the cabinet might get too hot for the electronics...
You can add a carbon filter behind the chamber fan in the electronics compartment.
They've updated the wiki with a model of the carbon filter. You can print and install at the back of machine.
@@Kimberlie1 I'm hesitant to trust a tiny carbon filter as well, the impression I got from reading peoples accounts is that the fumes saturate the carbon pretty quickly, obviously depending on how much you print.
@@honkbeforeitstoolate587 It does, so I'll be diligent about replacing the activated charcoal in it and opening the windows to ventilate as I print. I'm sure they've received customer demand for carbon filters and will be looking at ways to upgrade this. They always do like this.
Would the X plus 3 work decently with bambu studio?
orca slicer.
Some feedback:
You make great, professional quality videos about subjects I am interested in. BUT.... your voice. You speak with a TON of vocal fry, which often makes it very hard to hear the last word in a sentence and the last parts of words - the sound kind of fades into nothingness and abruptly stops. This could be exaggerated by a noise canceling algorithm in the mic recording too, though I'm not sure.
now they advertise 60C chamber.
Just get a cork mat or two for desktops from IKEA and stick it to the sides and back and you'll get 65C
rofl, not how it works lol
@@riba2233 not for the Q1 in principle, but the Q1 already supports 65C in firmware, they advertise 60C because of heat losses, HENCE by insulating you can reach the 65C the firmware already lets you set
@@olafmarzocchi6194 in that case it is better to add proper insulation foam on the inside. And you can manually configure max chamber temp in klipper anyways
@@riba2233 that's my plan
nope
Medíocre
Mediocre? Seeing that it's one of a few printers available in the consumer space capable of printing PPS CF w/ its' 350c hot end and 120c bed along with actively heated chamber this is far from mediocre. If I wanted a PLA toy printer I'd get a Creality, Bambu or whatever.
Nothing Qidi makes is next generation.