Not just this one, but every time I watch this show, for me, the real magic is how in the end Penn puts his words carefully, though he's improvising, it's like a script that has been carefully written. The magic of Penn's language is really awesome.
Beautiful story and routine. A nice twist on “Midas Dream” and really entertaining. The very BEST thing was that it involved NO cards ! 90% of the performers that come on here, enthrall us with another mundane version of “take a card”, with ten minutes of confusing, boring and unnecessary build up. So thank you Doc, for sparing us ! Love coin magic and wish we saw more. 🎭
This was a perfect and we'll executed coin trick also extremely entertaining, that being said, I believe I'm the only person on the planet who never gets tired of card magic. I think I just enjoy sleight of hand, regardless or the trick 😊
Thank you for being so open and all your answers to several comments! It is so rare to get insights on what is really happening in the show, even if you watched every single episode. Great performance and I love your attitude!
I think she figures out questions to ask backstage, speaking to the performers before the show begins. It looks like she momentarily forgot what she was going to ask this time.
@@Harry351ify The interview is actually much longer, because Penn and Teller take a lot of time to discuss a routine and figure out what they will say in code. The interview is then cut post production to include only a couple of questions .
@@rubinsteincoinmagic Yeah, and post can do some neat tricks with viewer impressions (I'm thinking of the various singing reality shows here). I figured this was how FoolUs worked too; nice to see a confirm 🙂
How did I miss this when it aired? I've always thought - "Why hasn't Dr. R. been on yet?" Great routine. One of my all-time favorite coin guys. Learned so much from the lecture DVD's. (Most, of it, I still can't do.)
I couldn't follow the slight of hand, so that was magical enough for me. I loved the twilight zone narration, though, which made the magic real in my mind. This is a top notch performance. Thank you.
Even when they don't fool, so many of the people featured are just such great showmen. Even an easy trick with the right framing can be really impactful
@@nithintou and yet, you are still alive. It's a god damned miracle. Dude, you wouldn't know a good presentation if it snuck up behind you and kicked you in the ass. It's the TWILIGHT ZONE, man, and the intro is just like the show! As Penn says, coin magic usually never has a story. This was fresh and original, different from all those stupid tricks where the magician goes "watch me as I count and shuffle and bore my audience." This was a highly imaginative and visual trick. Great job!
@Watching TrainsgoBy It kind of does work like that though.. There was another act where this very thing was brought up and it's basically true. The audience can figure out 10% of a trick and think they know all of it, while a magician can know 90% and still wonder how it's done. Remember Shin Lim's act? They gave it to him and said it was because of the marker.
@@Krayor Yes, I think it would be very difficult to come up with an act that had elements throughout that P&T had never seen before. But if the magician can find a different way of doing something - either something brand new that no one's done before, or else one of several ways and executing so well, they don't see it and have to guess (incorrectly) - then P&T admit they were fooled. The thing is, they're so well-versed in how tricks are done, when they see, say, a coin trick like this one, their minds automatically kick into gear and they're looking for signs that will reveal what they already know and have assumed. Sometimes they are guessing about one aspect, but sometimes they're truly fooled.
What is it like when you realize your inner child has died? It’s not called jan’s fooled us. It must suck to go into a show not to enjoy it but to do the host’s job for them.
Hi, and thank you to the 500,,000 people who have viewed my segment! I want to thank those of you who liked it and took the time to check the like box, and thanks to those who also posted comments. And to those who posted antisemetic comments, wtf is wrong with you! For those who posted negative comments, I tried to understand why. There are millions of videos on CZcams. If I see one I don't like, I just move on. If I were to take the time to post negative comments on every friggin lousy video, I wouldn't have a life! So I am curious why the need? It is one thing to say you didn't like the trick, but then to make stupid disparaging remarks, just make you sound like a jerk. But let's talk about the spot. I am guessing some of those who posted are magicians. And they would know that the structure of this trick is a classic, based on the Roth routine. However, there are no fancy angly moves, because they don't work on TV. The producers wanted this routine because they liked the story and wanted to showcase that. If you don't like the Twilight Zone, obviously you wouldn't like this. You could say that the inspiration for the story comes from Peter Samelson's take on the Wild Card plot, with a story about Invasion of the Body Snatchers. As for the moves, the ONLY basic move is the first one which sets the tone. All the other moves are complex with coins moving around and changing, so that the hands would look as clean as possible. You can't do those cool angly moves seen today on CZcams because when nine cameras are burning your hands from all angles, you need to be sure that the coins are seen and hidden at the proper times. That is what practical magic is all about. Most couldn't do those moves because they wouldn't know how despite the comments posted here. Of course, if you have a basic knowledge of coin magic, and you see an empty hand, you can figure out where coins might be hidden. But why go through all that? Just enjoy the trick. I mean, it's a friggin magic trick! As to fooling them? The routine wasn't presented to fool them, Roth performed his own version on the show two yrs ago, and as I said, the routine structure is classic. And they know that. The purpose of presenting that routine was to showcase the presentation, which is what the producers were looking for. You can't go on the show and do the same damn tricks, you have to be different. That is what the show is really about. The fooling part is really just a gimmick for the public, and all the magicians know that. Anyway, hope people take the time to read and understand before writing such stupid comments as dogshit, my 4 yr old can do this, etc. Life is too short to spend time being negative.
This is in my top 3 favourite routines of the season. I've come back to it many times. All you'll find in the comment section of these videos is people criticizing. I've seen so many magicians defending themselves in the comments of these videos but isn't really worth it. The people who like the video tend to just like it and move on. The people who dislike the video tend to dislike and also leave some stupid comment.
Karen D don't let this troll get under your skin. Assholes like him are merely negative people who come on here all the time, and want to write nasty comments to make themselves look good. He is goading you, just ignore him. He doesn't give a shit about the trick, the show, magic, or your opinion. He is just a loser.
Hi Benza, the producers knew that the routine wouldn't fool them, as it is a classic, and David Roth performed the same routine a few years ago, but with different moves. They wanted to showcase the story, which is what makes the routine so strong. It is a classic in magic, and actually very difficult to perform with a lot of stuff happening that can't be seen. Glad you enjoyed the performance.
Good little story and the effort to making the opening video is appreciated (fool us zone vid). Just curious why you asked Penn at the end if they knew how the gold coin dissapeared? Guess you felt in the moment they didn't know?
Hi J Smith. Going in, I knew the trick wouldn't fool them. Wild Coin is a classic plot in coin magic, and the basic concept was used by David Roth on the show and is a well known method (although the moves were original for the routine, they don't need to get the specifics, just the general idea to "win", so it doesn't matter that they don't know where the coins are at any given time, they just need to say it was sleight of hand and they are right). The reason I performed this routine was because the producers wanted to present the story. They tell you right away that the idea is not to fool them but just to put on a good show. Nevertheless, I didn't just want to perform the trick, smile and walk offstage. I changed my normal ending (which might have fooled them) to a method I knew they wouldn't know. When they didn't mention it, I had to ask, and they (probably only Teller) got it. Oh well.
Wow, now everyone on the internet thinks you are a genius. You should teach magic. Where is your magic channel where you can do a routine as clean as this with no flashes, a great tempo, an engaging story, natural looking hand motions? Knowing HOW a trick is done is a world away from being able to perform it, and should never take away from your enjoyment of it, rather it should strengthen your enjoyment of the routine. And it sounds like you only caught one move.
Sorry, I'm a bit late, I know, and I'm french, and, what does "Matt" or "MAT" mean? What is the wordplay behind "under the Matt-er ?" I didn't get this part. Thank you whoever answer it...like in another year...maybe some of you are dead by now...I dunno.. overthinking it.. Bye.
@@mikebenson9423 a mat is a cloth or a covering used on a table to protect it from food or hot items. It is called a placemat. You will also find them made out of carpet, jute or raglan however those will be used in front of a door to wipe your feet on. Those are called doormats.
I've never understood why more people don't ask questions like this guy did? I mean what it takes the hard work magicians put in to be well known enough to be invited on and the fact that they just have to get one part of the trick wrong to count as fooling. I need to be 1000% sure they know how every part of the trick is done before I'm Satisfied.
I can understand asking about one aspect of the trick, but if he stood there asking about every aspect of it fishing for that one time they lost track, then 1.) that would make bad tv, thus they are likely told before going on not too 2.) they would be giving away far to much information about the trick. Magic to normal people is suppose to be mysterious, but is you start describing your trick, chances are even through talking code people will catch on to everything you did. Take the code used here as an example. Say someone missed the fact he hid the gold coin under the mat. That person hearing the code "that part didn't Mat-ter too us" would likely be able to decipher where the coin went.
@@LegDayLas I don't mean break down every part of the trick,that would take like 3 hours but just take their word you didn't fool them because they tell you? How many times has someone asked"What do you mean? Then Teller went up and talked to them and they were"I didn't do it that way"? The other day I saw a video of a street magician do that.
@@arthurprior3494 "I need to be 1000% sure they know how every part of the trick is done before I'm Satisfied." I think it would take about 3 hours to satisfy you according to this statement, and that is the statement I am commenting on.
Adam Tesseract as they say, its not about the fooling them as it is an opportunity to showcase good magic. The producers usually pick the trick they want done, to get maximum variety.
magiclover12 Really, there are two ways to fool them - be amazing (and thus satisfying the showcasing good magic criteria), but also by creating your own tricks and ways to manipulate whatever you're working with (be it an object, or the mind of an audience). P&T get to see things they might not have even considered for their own tricks (not saying they're stealing ideas - not at all - but just how to pull something off it in a different way that opens more tricks), and so the best get to go to Vegas (I'm assuming that's still the 'prize'), and whatever happens, the rest of us get a good show. Everyone wins.
@@starvet Indeed, most of the best and more entertaining tricks didn't fool them, some of the fooler tricks were either gimmicky or had too many solutions and although they probably had the correct one in mind too, they played fair and only told 2 or 3 guesses.
Great story line, but I followed all the slight of hand so easily I was hoping that the trick would actually be him dumping the cup out at the end and the four copper coins we just saw go in had turned into four gold coins! Now that would be amazing! That would have a prospect of fooling Penn and Teller.
@@juanbuitrago3236 Really? Who are you to make that assumption? I am considered to be one of the top coin magicians in the world today. If you had time to google me or if you knew one iota about close up magic, you would know that. You would also know that the makeup of this routine is considered a classic of coin magic. There are many other ways of performing this routine, but it's magician magic, and not nearly as good. And if you thought about the story you would understand how appropriate is the ending. By your comment it it clear you are nothing but a troll and troublemaker, with no understanding of magic. So your word means nothing, except that you are kind of a jerk. I often wonder why people go out of their way to write stupid stuff. But my guess is that you just need to grow up.
7:42 he's asking if Penn and Teller figured out how he kept his hands clean at the end , probably hoping that it fooled them. But Penn hits the bull's eye , "not important MATter".
Actually, the audience rarely makes noise except to applaud at the end. The producers edit the spot and put in the appropriate sounds to make the spots more exciting. It's like canned laughter at a sitcom. Same idea.
I think the show is done. How many card trucks can we see? At least this was a coin trick. But really. We either need more prop magic or just end it already. It was good while it lasted.
Surely it was just sleight of hand, a phrase heard many times on the programme, though I have no idea what that means, unless it means you performed real magic, which it definitely looked like!
Quite sure he's a very talented magician but the trick was sooooo obvious and he looked pissed that he did not fool them but the truth is it was quite basic and obvious when he was done I was like, wait, that's all? But as Penn said great story!
Hi Francois, actually, as I have stated before, the trick is a classic of coin magic. David Roth performed the trick two seasons prior (with different moves). The producers selected the trick out of my repertoire because they wanted to present the story on TV. The show is about presenting good magic, the fooling thing is only a gimmick. I tried a method at the end of the trick that they wouldn't know unless they had knowledge of my magic, and that is what I asked them about since they didn't address it. And, they busted me on that. As for the routine, they don't have to know where the coins are at any given time, they just need to say it was sleight of hand to win. If you are a magician, you would understand what they meant when they said they were spellbound. Cheers!
There's one gold coin, four copper, when he's dropping coins in the cup he's dropping the copper pennies that he's palming and reusing the same gold coin over and over.
Entitled to your opinion of course, but likely Teller learned coin magic from my work, since I have more teaching material out there than almost anyone else. But why would you compare anyway? Teller rarely does coin magic. Oh wait, I see. You were just making an insulting remark. Guess you don't know much about coin magic. And fyi there was very little palming, you are probably referring to sleights, which don't look it but are very sophisticated.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic I can not do these tricks, and watch these videos to see the routine and the performance. I must say the twilight zone storyline and use of an old myth, I love and thoroughly enjoyed your captivating performance. However, one part of the sleight of hand seemed way below the rest. Trickier move for sure and one I could not even begin to do at that level, but compared to rest it seemed almost like nerves were there or something slightly... stuck? Please respond if appropriate.
@@aeis3007 you are probably referring to the flash. There are 9 cameras focusing on you from all different angles. You can't tell where to play because you don't know which camera is being used. The producers know this. They edit the spot post production, and they are supposed to clean up the video so that it looks good when they air. The producers obviously missed the flash, as did most of America who saw it on TV. But there were no nerves. Everyone on the set is so nice. Penn and Teller wave at you before you start. I got a chance to talk to them after the spot, and they really liked the spot. In fact, the producers liked it so much that they named the episode after my trick.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic Glad to hear that everyone is so nice! I'm not a qualified magician, but thank you. I can understand how it was missed in post. Still a great move, just sad that they edited it wrong, I bet I wouldn't of seen it otherwise, heck still had to double check it to be sure.
@Lord Frog you have no idea the complex moves that went into that trick. That shows how naive you are. Any flash was due to the 9 cameras from all angles focused on you. It is the job of the producer to catch any flashes and show the best angle in post production to present the trick in the best way possible. They clearly missed any flash that was noticed, as did most of America.
@Lord Frog that is exactly why I am performing on TV, and you are at home making stupid remarks. Good luck to you, must be nice knowing that you will always be nothing more than a troll. Cheers.
Great routine! Only Wild Coin routine out there that has a plot other than changing coins. I am surprised others who have commented have trashed this. Seems a lot of people want to get on and write how smart they are for rewinding and figuring out how it's done. I doubt P&T could follow where the coins were at any time, due to all the clever transfers that were done. If the Eric Meade 90% rule was applied to this, I am sure they would admit they were fooled, but that was a one time thing they allowed. P&T say it's not about the fooling, it's about showcasing good magic. Which they did here.
magiclover12 I don’t think anyone needed rewind for this one. We live in an age where many of us have seen a lot of coin magic. Despite not being able to do the sleights ourselves this guys were so slow it seemed like a tutorial. Which many of us have also watched just to see if we could do it. I for one cannot would take years of practice. Doesn’t change the fact that this guys sleights were extremely slow and ez to follow without rewinding
The reason it's slow is to coordinate with the story. Most wild coin routines take a minute. That would not be long enough to perform on the show, if done without the story. The story is what makes this trick, without it it's just another wild coin. The Dr. even states to Allison that the trick is magical theatre, where the magic just complements the story.
magiclover12 it did not compliment the performance that’s the point 99% of the comments are making. If we had not witnessed almost 100% of the sleights based on very slow very clear palming techniques then it would have been better. I have watched many coin magic acts on this show alone, most of which I couldn’t follow the sleights at all. I didn’t miss a single one on this performance except for the ending vanish of the gold coin I indeed missed it. I don’t rewind or rewatch to try and catch it either.
Actually each move was motivated by the words. Not one move was unnatural. If you know anything about coin magic as you admit you do, starting with the knowledge of the structure (as with any Wild Coin routine) you could certainly follow the coins, especially when Rubinstein shows an empty hand. A LAYMAN would NOT know the structure, anything about one or four gold coins, the actual hidden purpose of the cup, and would have no idea of what coins are where, and would not know what to follow. And they wouldn't know what to expect, so each change would appear magical. That is the nature of this plot. The story itself is unusual in coin magic, as most people (see Roth who did the same trick in season 3), just change the coins one at a time with no patter. The story in my opinion, is different, dramatic, and does indeed give a justification for what happens in the effect. As for the one flash I saw, I know there are several cameras that shoot from different angles, and it should have been corrected in their pre show editing, but likely was missed. And I am sure most people did miss it, including myself who went back and watched the routine several times because I have a love of coin magic and had not seen some of those techniques before. So, I have to disagree with you. I read all of these posts because I am a fan of the show, and many of the negative comments here and ELSEWHERE are often unjustified. These tricks get on the show because the producers and magic consultants picked them out of all of the submissions they receive, because they like them, and they are interesting for TV.
magiclover12 you certainly are allowed to have that opinion. Being the consumer also grants the individuals in these comment sections to have an opinion. If they don’t like something an explanation of why they should doesn’t work. As a performer the job is to speak to the audience if it didn’t sit then that’s just how it is. Adapt or fail at entertainment.
Hi Johnnie! Actually, of the two, it is Teller who is the scholar in close-up magic. But magicians for the most part are selected by the producers, not because they have a routine to fool Penn and Teller (that is only a gimmick for the watchers), but because they feel that the routine will play well on TV (the real goal of the show is just to present good magic). The stucture of my own routine is classic, even though the moves are original, but the producers wanted to present the story, something very rare in coin magic. As for fooling them, I used an original technique they didn't know (unless they saw my DVDS) and they got it. I dpubt that they were able to follow the coins at any given time, but they didn't need to to "win". All they had to say was that it was sleight of hand. You can be sure that all the performers who do sleight of hand probably fooled them with a move or two, but they don't need to explain the workings of the entire trick (or most guys would win), just the general idea. That is why you are told not to worry about fooling them, just put on a good show. Hope that answers your question, cheers!
@@rubinsteincoinmagic Hi, Dr. Rubenstein. I know that "it's an honor just to be nominated" is one of those things people say when they don't win when they try to feel better, but in the case of Fool Us, at least to me, a non-magician, it seems like just being able to perform on the TV show is itself a bigger "prize" than the prize you get for winning. I'm sure it'd be an honor for any magician to be the opening act for Penn & Teller in Las Vegas, but even just going on the show means you're performing your routine for an audience of millions of people across the world. Is that the feeling for you, as a magician? That even if you don't fool Penn & Teller and don't get their trophy, just by being on the TV show, you've sort of already "won?"
@@billyeveryteen7328 the short answer is YES. Fooling them is just a gimmick, and allows you to put it on your resume. But being ON the show looks just as good on your resume to be honest. It is not like you are doing an opening act like musicians have when they tour. Most magicians on the show usually have not had an opportunity to perform on National TV before this show, so you are right, just being selected is quite an honor.
no... he has 1 gold coin, and 4 copper coins. When the first coin turns to gold it's really just him palming the copper one and replacing it with the gold one he had been previously palming. Once the story is over and it's time to drop the coin he swaps the coins again, ultimately dropping the copper coin into the cup. He then does the same process using a variety of different techniques for each copper till all 4 copper have been dropped into the cup. Where did the gold coin go? if you are watching closely (during the last copper switch) when you see him move the gold coin from one hand to the other, you will then notice he drops his hand and slides the gold coin under the mat. When they were using code to talk he asks Penn if he knows how he "kept his hands clean while dealing with 4 dirty coins" he was referring to this aspect of the trick. Penn's response being "that part of the trick didn't Mat-ter too us" implying it did not fool them, and he knew the coin was under the mat.
Hi! There is a saying in magic - Keep your magic smooth and slow, and the magic will always flow. But if you hesitate when moving fast, the illusion of magic just won't last. Magicians understand this.
This was a nicely done trick, but there is no way Penn and Teller took that long to figure it out, I rarely catch the methods in these episodes and even I got it very quickly. Reply with what you think Penn and Teller were talking about instead of the method.
They actually talk for a much longer time, but that is edited out. They discuss the method, and the code they can use. The second time they talked, they had to figure out what happened to the last coin. It appeared to me that Penn didn't know, but Teller either knew the method or back engineered to get there.
Cool story and decent performance but I wouldn't say one of the most well known and simple coin tricks in the book is really up to the Penn and Teller bar. Also given they're both expert in decoding magic and Teller is reputed to be one of the best sleight of hand artists such performance really shouldn't be expected to even come close to fooling them. Due all respect, even if the sleight of hand was %100 perfect, it wouldn't take them any more than dropping the coin to figure it out.
The producers wanted to showcase the routine because of the presentation. You see, it's not about fooling them, that's just a gimmick. It's about presenting good magic. They already knew the effect because David Roth performed a similar routine 2 yrs prior.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic Well that's just wonderful then. Even being on the show must've been exhilarating and you did a good job at what you were supposed to too. Cheers.
Actually, as a magician I can tell you there are some very sophisticated transfers, and I doubt anyone could easily follow. It looks simple because that Dude is Freakin good! Cups and coins uses a gimmick, btw, and you can buy it at any magic shop. This type of trick takes yrs of practice.
Nicholas Rickhoff I don't know if you are a magician, or have any knowledge of coin magic. I perform a version of this trick with silver and chinese coins, and it always plays well. A layman would have a hard time figuring this out unless they watch over and over, for the following reasons. 1. They would have no expectation what to suspect. Each coin becomes gold. There would be no reason for a layman to suspect the multi function of one coin. 2. The cup, as you mention, has a hidden purpose. A layman would have no reason to suspect it's purpose. 3. The gold all vanishes at the end. That in itself is magical. 4. The techniques used here are pretty sophisticated for coin magic. More goes on than the spellbound changes that many have dissed. I do coin magic, but had to review to catch the hand to hand transfers that were used. I had not seen the second change before, which in my opinion was the most magical of the four. So, there are a million different versions of this routine, but I thought the moves were great and put together in a solid structure. Now, if you have no coin knowledge and figured it out on one view, then I tip my cap to you. My own routine is much simpler, and always gets a great reaction. But probably not by this crowd.
@Nicholas Rickhoffhe uses several fake sleights in this to throw people off. Every kid on CZcams thinks they're some sort of expert because of some poor editing and slowing down videos to .25 speed. Also hilariously, usually the top comment on all these videos I'm with the "solution" is so far off from reality, it's comical. I'd bet a million dollars you couldn't sit 2 feet from him and remotely guess where the coins are with even 75 percent accuracy. This guy is considered by most coin magicians to be in the top 5 coin guys to ever live.
If you read my comments, you would know that the producers chose the routine for me to perform. They didn't care that Penn and Teller wouldn't be fooled, they wanted to present the story which was unique in coin magic, and would play well on TV. The producers were more interested in good television, the fooling thing is really only a gimmick. Penn and Teller understood the trick was sleight of hand, and that's all they needed to say to "win". However, even though the routine is based on the workings of Wild Coin by David Roth, (which they are very familiar with, especially because Roth presented the same routine 2 yrs ago using different moves but the same mechanism), the moves were unique and very sophisticated, and I doubt Penn and Teller knew where coins were at any given time. But they didn't need to know, they just had to achnowledge the basic working. And by the way, there was no Ramsay subtlety, but that miscall was only a technicality since the basic position of the coin is the same even without employing the subtlety.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic I appreciate your patience in writing a detailed explanation. But being a magic lover I wasn't that satisfied but the true thing is storey was good
@@rubinsteincoinmagic a lot of people don't realise this show is basically an advert for magicians to get their acts out into a more public eye or a different demographic than usual. Penn and Teller say that they know the moves or recall the origin of the trick and prefer your version or haven't seen it done better since 'insert old magician here' that's a blurb to put on your poster for your next show. That being said either you are fantastic at making it look like something is in your hand when it isn't or I could follow the coins at every step. I'd love to see a twist at the end where the cup is turned over and is completely empty... be very fitting of the twilight zone.
@@jayofthep I certainly can't tell you what you can intuit or not, but the moves are well done, very sophisticated. Even magicians (including Penn and Teller) would be hard pressed during a performance to say where coins are at any given time, until I show an obviously empty hand. Layman don't watch to figure out a trick, they are relaxed and enjoy the magic. People who watch these CZcams spots do exactly the opposite. The ending is classic for this effect, and fits the story perfectly. Any thought of changing the ending as a twist would just be no sense magician magic. Finally the statement that you say I am fantastic at making it look like something is in my hand when it isn't is a pretty snarky comment. Totally uncalled for and makes you look kind of a jerk.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic that's a fair statement. I couldn't do what you do. I could have made it more of a constructive criticism instead of a backhanded compliment. I had meant it in terms of 'if I were to break down the video and point out were I believed the coins to be at each step' and then I was corrected that in fact the coins were somewhere else entirely then your... fake palming skills (is that the term?) were fantastic.
The hardest thing in magic is to forget what you know, and see a trick the way someone would see it if they didn't know how it was done. -David Roth If you are indeed a magician as your name implies, you would know that this effect is a classic of coin magic, and has entertained lay audiences since introduced by David Roth 40 yrs ago. He actually performed the same effect 2 seasons prior (with different techniques). And, as a magician you would understand all the moves and timing that goes along with the color changes, that you couldn't do. And you would realize that the patter that goes along with the routine is unique, and the reason why the Producers wanted me to present this routine on their show. And if you are not a magician, you would have no idea what is easy and what is not. Cheers.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic I am indeed a magician!! And I must say, time has evolved, we are not in 90s. The fooler could have performed this trick in any other show. As time evolves, tricks get more complex and even we become more accustomed to regular tricks. The trick shown by this gentleman was so simple, didnot deserved to be shown in 2020, and more importantly the standard of this trick was too low to be performed in a show like PENN AND TELLER FOOL US!! Penn had to act a lot to show that he is thinking how he did it, but in reality he is acting. It didnot take him even 1 second to figure out the trick!!🤔
@@tmmagician4101 actually, I am the gentleman who performed the trick. The routine was developed in the 80s not the 90s by the way, and stands the test of time as evidenced by all the magicians who perform it. As I said, it was already done on the show, but the producers wanted the story. As a magician you should know that the focus of the show is not to fool them, as I have stated many times that is only a gimmick. The focus of the show is to show an entertaining effect. But if you are a magician, you would understand the difficulty of the moves between the color changes, and the need to make every move motivated by the patter. The story is unique and provides an emotional tug which makes the trick interesting (and topical to any era). The kids today think that angly and flashy moves are cool, but those don't work on TV. As a working magician you above layman should appreciate that. Penn and Teller know the basic structure of the effect, and just need to say that it's sleight of hand. And they are right. But watching a trick live and only one time, they do not see all the transfers and nuances that occur. The thing I asked them about was based on an original technique they wouldn't have otherwise known, and they got it (maybe they have seen my many coin teaching dvds). But what you don't see because it is edited, is that they talk for several minutes, not a few seconds. There are indeed ways to perform this that are much easier, but still require skill. To belittle the routine by saying how easy it is shows you don't understand much about structuring a routine and how to develop and promote a plot, much less what constitutes entertainment for a lay audience. But you might want to look at a good book like Coinmagic by Richard Kaufman, David Roth's Expert Coin Technique, and my own Rubinstein Coin Magic. If you are not aware of those books, check out my 16 volume New York Coin Magic Seminar dvds/ downloads sold through Vanishingincmagic. Or, maybe you won't because you realize how difficult coin magic is compared to any other type of sleight of hand, and just don't put in the time to learn good magic.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic I now realise you are Dr. Rubinstein. My intention was not to look down upon you, your skills are great without any doubt. But I just gave my personal opinion! Your coin changes looked impressive to me, but I felt they were a bit old fashioned! But don't take it otherwise! I always respect you as a magician, and above all as a doctor, the saviour of life! 'Hope you continue to entertain and serve people and carry on with your nobel work! With love...❤🙏👍
@@tmmagician4101 thank you. I am happy that almost half a million people have watched this spot, and continue to do so after two years. Without giving anything away to lay people, the fingertip changeover palms and separations are not easy to do, and the second change is actually a very old move that fools most magicians because it has been forgotten. Actually only the first move is a basic spellbound move. Most people may be familiar with the first move, but then as you may have seen from other posts they don't bother to understand the rest. I never mind a personal opinion, and enjoy the spirited discussion. Cheers.
It is actually a classic of coin magic. The reason the producers wanted it for the show was because of the presentation. The method is well known in coin magic, and David Roth did the same trick with a slightly different method two yrs prior. Sorry.
No offense, I followed every move so easily that I genuinely started to think that maybe he was fooling me. Then it turned out, nope. I did very much enjoy his trick though.
I actually won two international close-up competitions. You seem to conflate hand position with concealment. My, how you must have studied this. But to explain why you are incorrect would reveal too much about the working of the trick, and there is no need.
This is essentially close-up coin magic. Can't we all agree that dozens of camera changes during close-up coin magic really ruins it? especially when P&T are not invited on the stage? I replaced a Diet Coke with a beer during one of those camera changes. That would be pretty spectacular with the correct camera changes. It might look 'magical'. No, that was me swapping a soda for a beer. It took around 2 minutes to do so, but with the magic of the camera...
Actually D, I didn't present the trick to fool them. The producers chose the trick for me to present, after looking over a bunch of things I do. Penn and Teller already knew the trick because it is a classic of coin magic. And in fact, David Roth presented the same effect (with different moves) two seasons earlier. The producers don't care if the trick can fool them, that's just a gimmick to make the show interesting for the viewer. What they look for is to make a good show, and they chose this because they liked the presentation. As I stated, and despite some of the stupid comments in this section by people who think they know everything,, a lot of the moves did fool them (they don't have the advantage of watching it on a screen over and over like the You Tubers have), but they just need to know the basic concept and say you used sleight of hand to "win". I used a technique at the end that they would only know if they were familiar with my magic, and they got that. What you don't see is that they talk for a while before they answer, not for 5 seconds as it seems in the edited show. And, as I mentioned before, any flashes that are seen are the fault of the producers who edit from 9 cameras filming, and who just missed them. Hope that answers your question. Cheers.
Rubinstein Coin Magic - thanks mate. And don’t get me wrong. You did it beautifully. And yeah, I get that not all tricks will fool them (I mean, in season 1 they had people doing quick dress acts and normal cups and balls). And I find it amusing to see what the muggles come up with for “methods”. And look, I do a similar finish with, well, the darker aspects of our art...so if they had said Mat to me, I would have had to say yes but only in the general sense. So I understand that they “cheat” like that. What I didn’t realise is that the producers chose the trick in some cases.
Not just this one, but every time I watch this show, for me, the real magic is how in the end Penn puts his words carefully, though he's improvising, it's like a script that has been carefully written. The magic of Penn's language is really awesome.
penns voracious verbosity is vividly venerated
@@scurus11scurus I like VERY much. uh....did my v word help?
Troy Wright your alliteration is awesomely attuned lol 😉
I really enjoy the magic of Teller’s language
I never have any idea what he’s saying, and if I’m lucky then some kind soul will explain it
Wow this guy was really cool! I loved his story telling as well as the magic. I now wish my dog’s vet could do the same.😊
Thanks so much!
Beautiful story and routine. A nice twist on “Midas Dream” and really entertaining. The very BEST thing was that it involved NO cards ! 90% of the performers that come on here, enthrall us with another mundane version of “take a card”, with ten minutes of confusing, boring and unnecessary build up. So thank you Doc, for sparing us ! Love coin magic and wish we saw more. 🎭
Thank you Randy, much appreciated!
This was a perfect and we'll executed coin trick also extremely entertaining, that being said, I believe I'm the only person on the planet who never gets tired of card magic. I think I just enjoy sleight of hand, regardless or the trick 😊
4 old coins & 1 gold coin
And very good palming and sleight of hand technique.
4:43 He pushes in the cold coin under the mat with his right thumb.
@@amateureditinglearner. yep, the art of misdirection, watching the other hand and being distracted by his story
yeah it was obvious unfortunately
Ruei Li not that important a mat-ter
pretty obvious slight of hand but I bow to him well done
I loved every minute of this, from the story, to the magic!
Thank you!
Thank you for being so open and all your answers to several comments! It is so rare to get insights on what is really happening in the show, even if you watched every single episode. Great performance and I love your attitude!
Brilliant performance. Thankyou
Thanks, much appreciated!!
5:48 that moment when you have nothing to talk about but have to stall for time.
I think she figures out questions to ask backstage, speaking to the performers before the show begins. It looks like she momentarily forgot what she was going to ask this time.
@@Harry351ify The interview is actually much longer, because Penn and Teller take a lot of time to discuss a routine and figure out what they will say in code. The interview is then cut post production to include only a couple of questions .
@@rubinsteincoinmagic Yeah, and post can do some neat tricks with viewer impressions (I'm thinking of the various singing reality shows here). I figured this was how FoolUs worked too; nice to see a confirm 🙂
Beautiful Dr!
Thank you Anthony D!!
How did I miss this when it aired? I've always thought - "Why hasn't Dr. R. been on yet?"
Great routine.
One of my all-time favorite coin guys. Learned so much from the lecture DVD's. (Most, of it, I still can't do.)
Thanks Kerry! Much appreciated!
I loved it..great story great skill.
Thank you Joe!
I couldn't follow the slight of hand, so that was magical enough for me. I loved the twilight zone narration, though, which made the magic real in my mind. This is a top notch performance. Thank you.
Thank you Heather!
Day 126 of skipping the intro videos
And Alison's talk.
A dimension of Comic Sans 😉
EdgyShooter did you call on Sans, bro?
I was looking for this comment. Luckily it's the very top one
Oh my god Twilight Zone nostalgia!! Loved it!
Thank you!
Yeah, this really made the trick, for me.
This act was gold... SOLID gold...
Thank you!
A combo of the Twilight Zone and magic?! I'm so happy!
Glad you liked it!
@@rubinsteincoinmagic are you kidding me? I LOVED it! Such a creative storyline and amazing magic to boot!
tru. and you have an amazing username
Even when they don't fool, so many of the people featured are just such great showmen. Even an easy trick with the right framing can be really impactful
Showman? this guy? Man, i was bored to death from his monotonous and robotic delivery.
@@nithintou and yet, you are still alive. It's a god damned miracle. Dude, you wouldn't know a good presentation if it snuck up behind you and kicked you in the ass. It's the TWILIGHT ZONE, man, and the intro is just like the show! As Penn says, coin magic usually never has a story. This was fresh and original, different from all those stupid tricks where the magician goes "watch me as I count and shuffle and bore my audience." This was a highly imaginative and visual trick. Great job!
I love this mans story telling
Thank you Ryan!
Translation of the final exchange..."But do you know how I got rid of the gold coins?"..."They are under the matt-er."...Salut
oh wow i didnt know that! you are very smart!
Even though there was actually only one gold coin!
@Watching TrainsgoBy It kind of does work like that though.. There was another act where this very thing was brought up and it's basically true. The audience can figure out 10% of a trick and think they know all of it, while a magician can know 90% and still wonder how it's done. Remember Shin Lim's act? They gave it to him and said it was because of the marker.
@@Krayor Yes, I think it would be very difficult to come up with an act that had elements throughout that P&T had never seen before. But if the magician can find a different way of doing something - either something brand new that no one's done before, or else one of several ways and executing so well, they don't see it and have to guess (incorrectly) - then P&T admit they were fooled. The thing is, they're so well-versed in how tricks are done, when they see, say, a coin trick like this one, their minds automatically kick into gear and they're looking for signs that will reveal what they already know and have assumed. Sometimes they are guessing about one aspect, but sometimes they're truly fooled.
I thought it was a pun for matte (as opposed to shiny) rather than matt.
Great story telling
Thanks so much!
The sleight of hand is so visible. It is more like robotic movement of hand :D
What is it like when you realize your inner child has died? It’s not called jan’s fooled us. It must suck to go into a show not to enjoy it but to do the host’s job for them.
Hi, and thank you to the 500,,000 people who have viewed my segment! I want to thank those of you who liked it and took the time to check the like box, and thanks to those who also posted comments. And to those who posted antisemetic comments, wtf is wrong with you!
For those who posted negative comments, I tried to understand why. There are millions of videos on CZcams. If I see one I don't like, I just move on. If I were to take the time to post negative comments on every friggin lousy video, I wouldn't have a life! So I am curious why the need? It is one thing to say you didn't like the trick, but then to make stupid disparaging remarks, just make you sound like a jerk.
But let's talk about the spot. I am guessing some of those who posted are magicians. And they would know that the structure of this trick is a classic, based on the Roth routine. However, there are no fancy angly moves, because they don't work on TV. The producers wanted this routine because they liked the story and wanted to showcase that. If you don't like the Twilight Zone, obviously you wouldn't like this. You could say that the inspiration for the story comes from Peter Samelson's take on the Wild Card plot, with a story about Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
As for the moves, the ONLY basic move is the first one which sets the tone. All the other moves are complex with coins moving around and changing, so that the hands would look as clean as possible. You can't do those cool angly moves seen today on CZcams because when nine cameras are burning your hands from all angles, you need to be sure that the coins are seen and hidden at the proper times. That is what practical magic is all about. Most couldn't do those moves because they wouldn't know how despite the comments posted here. Of course, if you have a basic knowledge of coin magic, and you see an empty hand, you can figure out where coins might be hidden. But why go through all that? Just enjoy the trick. I mean, it's a friggin magic trick! As to fooling them? The routine wasn't presented to fool them, Roth performed his own version on the show two yrs ago, and as I said, the routine structure is classic. And they know that. The purpose of presenting that routine was to showcase the presentation, which is what the producers were looking for. You can't go on the show and do the same damn tricks, you have to be different. That is what the show is really about. The fooling part is really just a gimmick for the public, and all the magicians know that. Anyway, hope people take the time to read and understand before writing such stupid comments as dogshit, my 4 yr old can do this, etc. Life is too short to spend time being negative.
starvet... no problem bud you’re great. I just hope some day I get the golden touch. Lol
This is in my top 3 favourite routines of the season. I've come back to it many times. All you'll find in the comment section of these videos is people criticizing. I've seen so many magicians defending themselves in the comments of these videos but isn't really worth it. The people who like the video tend to just like it and move on. The people who dislike the video tend to dislike and also leave some stupid comment.
Great spot. Fun to watch. This is why I turn off comments. Not worth defending against negative people.
Jesus man, you act like you've never been on CZcams before. Word of advice don't read the comments. That is a universal on CZcams
starvet Hey man I feel like I followed most of the moves honestly, though it's not hard when you watch a video. Still very much enjoyed your act.
I think this is the best rod sterling impression I have ever heard.
You Sir are Awesome Respect
Awesome
Thank you!
I like old magicians.
I love the reference to Smoke and Mirrors
Wonderful! Great story, great sleight of hand! Very magical.
You're an imbecyl.
@@amjan hey asswipe I liked the trick. The only jerk here is you
You liked it, because you're not very bright. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Karen D don't let this troll get under your skin. Assholes like him are merely negative people who come on here all the time, and want to write nasty comments to make themselves look good. He is goading you, just ignore him. He doesn't give a shit about the trick, the show, magic, or your opinion. He is just a loser.
To me it seemed like an extremely trivial trick, well done that is for sure, but no way he would have ever fooled them with this...
Hi Benza, the producers knew that the routine wouldn't fool them, as it is a classic, and David Roth performed the same routine a few years ago, but with different moves. They wanted to showcase the story, which is what makes the routine so strong. It is a classic in magic, and actually very difficult to perform with a lot of stuff happening that can't be seen. Glad you enjoyed the performance.
Good little story and the effort to making the opening video is appreciated (fool us zone vid). Just curious why you asked Penn at the end if they knew how the gold coin dissapeared? Guess you felt in the moment they didn't know?
Hi J Smith. Going in, I knew the trick wouldn't fool them. Wild Coin is a classic plot in coin magic, and the basic concept was used by David Roth on the show and is a well known method (although the moves were original for the routine, they don't need to get the specifics, just the general idea to "win", so it doesn't matter that they don't know where the coins are at any given time, they just need to say it was sleight of hand and they are right). The reason I performed this routine was because the producers wanted to present the story. They tell you right away that the idea is not to fool them but just to put on a good show. Nevertheless, I didn't just want to perform the trick, smile and walk offstage. I changed my normal ending (which might have fooled them) to a method I knew they wouldn't know. When they didn't mention it, I had to ask, and they (probably only Teller) got it. Oh well.
I met Dr Rubinstein once, and then i don't remember what happened...
You probably lost some coins
Are you a dinosaur with an appendicitis? Did he operate on you?
Are you a dinosaur with an appendicitis? Did he operate on you?
Magic can not get any more basic than that...
It was a great story.
Thank you Manish Singh!
4:43 gold coin goes under matt - and yes there's only one gold coin
Wow, now everyone on the internet thinks you are a genius. You should teach magic. Where is your magic channel where you can do a routine as clean as this with no flashes, a great tempo, an engaging story, natural looking hand motions? Knowing HOW a trick is done is a world away from being able to perform it, and should never take away from your enjoyment of it, rather it should strengthen your enjoyment of the routine. And it sounds like you only caught one move.
7:58 it was not that important a MATter
@@charlesjones1535 Oh wow you are making a comment on the internet. Where is your world renowned commenting corporation?
Sorry, I'm a bit late, I know, and I'm french, and, what does "Matt" or "MAT" mean?
What is the wordplay behind "under the Matt-er ?" I didn't get this part.
Thank you whoever answer it...like in another year...maybe some of you are dead by now...I dunno.. overthinking it..
Bye.
@@mikebenson9423 a mat is a cloth or a covering used on a table to protect it from food or hot items. It is called a placemat. You will also find them made out of carpet, jute or raglan however those will be used in front of a door to wipe your feet on. Those are called doormats.
Great storytelling!
What did Penn mean at the end?
"Not that important a 'mat'ter"
He was identifying in code that the coins had been hidden under the mat on the table.
@@synthrogue6856 The "coin"
there was only 1 gold coin.
The Twilight Zone is the real great supernatural show.
Very good trick.
I've never understood why more people don't ask questions like this guy did? I mean what it takes the hard work magicians put in to be well known enough to be invited on and the fact that they just have to get one part of the trick wrong to count as fooling. I need to be 1000% sure they know how every part of the trick is done before I'm Satisfied.
I can understand asking about one aspect of the trick, but if he stood there asking about every aspect of it fishing for that one time they lost track, then 1.) that would make bad tv, thus they are likely told before going on not too 2.) they would be giving away far to much information about the trick. Magic to normal people is suppose to be mysterious, but is you start describing your trick, chances are even through talking code people will catch on to everything you did.
Take the code used here as an example. Say someone missed the fact he hid the gold coin under the mat. That person hearing the code "that part didn't Mat-ter too us" would likely be able to decipher where the coin went.
@@LegDayLas I don't mean break down every part of the trick,that would take like 3 hours but just take their word you didn't fool them because they tell you? How many times has someone asked"What do you mean? Then Teller went up and talked to them and they were"I didn't do it that way"? The other day I saw a video of a street magician do that.
@@arthurprior3494 "I need to be 1000% sure they know how every part of the trick is done before I'm Satisfied." I think it would take about 3 hours to satisfy you according to this statement, and that is the statement I am commenting on.
It's well done, but why at this season would you even assume you have a chance at fooling them with coin tricks?
Adam Tesseract as they say, its not about the fooling them as it is an opportunity to showcase good magic. The producers usually pick the trick they want done, to get maximum variety.
I’m pretty Ryan Hiahasi (I wrecked his last name) fooled them this season with his ultimate matrix coin trick.
magiclover12 Really, there are two ways to fool them - be amazing (and thus satisfying the showcasing good magic criteria), but also by creating your own tricks and ways to manipulate whatever you're working with (be it an object, or the mind of an audience). P&T get to see things they might not have even considered for their own tricks (not saying they're stealing ideas - not at all - but just how to pull something off it in a different way that opens more tricks), and so the best get to go to Vegas (I'm assuming that's still the 'prize'), and whatever happens, the rest of us get a good show. Everyone wins.
@@starvet Indeed, most of the best and more entertaining tricks didn't fool them, some of the fooler tricks were either gimmicky or had too many solutions and although they probably had the correct one in mind too, they played fair and only told 2 or 3 guesses.
Great story line, but I followed all the slight of hand so easily I was hoping that the trick would actually be him dumping the cup out at the end and the four copper coins we just saw go in had turned into four gold coins! Now that would be amazing! That would have a prospect of fooling Penn and Teller.
A kicker needs to make sense, and that wouldn't have fit the morale of the story of greed taking away a magic gift
Or he tipped the bowl and it was empty!
@@rubinsteincoinmagic nor you are skilled enough to do it
@@juanbuitrago3236 Really? Who are you to make that assumption? I am considered to be one of the top coin magicians in the world today. If you had time to google me or if you knew one iota about close up magic, you would know that. You would also know that the makeup of this routine is considered a classic of coin magic. There are many other ways of performing this routine, but it's magician magic, and not nearly as good. And if you thought about the story you would understand how appropriate is the ending. By your comment it it clear you are nothing but a troll and troublemaker, with no understanding of magic. So your word means nothing, except that you are kind of a jerk. I often wonder why people go out of their way to write stupid stuff. But my guess is that you just need to grow up.
Wonderful story! Best coin trick of the season!
Penn is gold
Because of zooming the magic we can easily see the slide of hand
dang, I think I remember the episode of Twilight Zone this is based on.
Important Matt-ers
7:42 he's asking if Penn and Teller figured out how he kept his hands clean at the end , probably hoping that it fooled them. But Penn hits the bull's eye , "not important MATter".
Futurama - The Scary Door
His slight of hand is so obvious.
It ended clean but i knew the rest
The audience reactions :)
Do you think there is a screen, with the "Wooow" "haaaah" and "Applause" on it ?
Maybe just applause...it's like a bunch of robotic NPC...
4:50 lol, struck me funny, the ... ooooooohhhhh
He really had them. Good job.
Actually, the audience rarely makes noise except to applaud at the end. The producers edit the spot and put in the appropriate sounds to make the spots more exciting. It's like canned laughter at a sitcom. Same idea.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic oh ok! Thank you for this information ! It's really interesting ! I was fooled by the sound editors ^^
I think the show is done. How many card trucks can we see? At least this was a coin trick. But really. We either need more prop magic or just end it already. It was good while it lasted.
So no one is going to talk about how much he looks like Kevin o Leary
Surely it was just sleight of hand, a phrase heard many times on the programme, though I have no idea what that means, unless it means you performed real magic, which it definitely looked like!
Almost Rod...except just gotta smoke 5 packs a day
Quite sure he's a very talented magician but the trick was sooooo obvious and he looked pissed that he did not fool them but the truth is it was quite basic and obvious when he was done I was like, wait, that's all? But as Penn said great story!
Hi Francois, actually, as I have stated before, the trick is a classic of coin magic. David Roth performed the trick two seasons prior (with different moves). The producers selected the trick out of my repertoire because they wanted to present the story on TV. The show is about presenting good magic, the fooling thing is only a gimmick. I tried a method at the end of the trick that they wouldn't know unless they had knowledge of my magic, and that is what I asked them about since they didn't address it. And, they busted me on that. As for the routine, they don't have to know where the coins are at any given time, they just need to say it was sleight of hand to win. If you are a magician, you would understand what they meant when they said they were spellbound. Cheers!
The latin phrase I believe meant “from one, many”.
close. E pluribus unum means "from many, one".
@@Vyselink Pay attention dude...damn. I hate when people try to correct someone when they have no clue.
@4:43 the only gold coin disappeared.....
Had the trick down, right up until the end. Have zero clue how he did that at the end
If you don’t understand the ending, then you definitely were not following the method.
There's one gold coin, four copper, when he's dropping coins in the cup he's dropping the copper pennies that he's palming and reusing the same gold coin over and over.
Correct you are!
It must be so frustrating for P&T that the magician has chosen to keep them 20 metres way for a close-up coin magic act.
I remember his name being Rubinstain.
Litigious Society LMAO 😂👍
Nut
Gold solid gold
It's always been Rubinstein
lol Fuck you, that ruined my childhood memories.
I have 3 kid no money, I wish i had 3 money no kid
First attempt I figured it
One gold coin he is switching it every time
while the trick is basic, the performance was excellent
ex uno plura
still better than DCmovie
I dig the storytelling, but you don't have Teller's sleight of hand mastery to see how unsubtle the palming was.
Entitled to your opinion of course, but likely Teller learned coin magic from my work, since I have more teaching material out there than almost anyone else. But why would you compare anyway? Teller rarely does coin magic. Oh wait, I see. You were just making an insulting remark. Guess you don't know much about coin magic. And fyi there was very little palming, you are probably referring to sleights, which don't look it but are very sophisticated.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic I can not do these tricks, and watch these videos to see the routine and the performance. I must say the twilight zone storyline and use of an old myth, I love and thoroughly enjoyed your captivating performance. However, one part of the sleight of hand seemed way below the rest. Trickier move for sure and one I could not even begin to do at that level, but compared to rest it seemed almost like nerves were there or something slightly... stuck? Please respond if appropriate.
@@aeis3007 you are probably referring to the flash. There are 9 cameras focusing on you from all different angles. You can't tell where to play because you don't know which camera is being used. The producers know this. They edit the spot post production, and they are supposed to clean up the video so that it looks good when they air. The producers obviously missed the flash, as did most of America who saw it on TV.
But there were no nerves. Everyone on the set is so nice. Penn and Teller wave at you before you start. I got a chance to talk to them after the spot, and they really liked the spot. In fact, the producers liked it so much that they named the episode after my trick.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic Glad to hear that everyone is so nice! I'm not a qualified magician, but thank you. I can understand how it was missed in post. Still a great move, just sad that they edited it wrong, I bet I wouldn't of seen it otherwise, heck still had to double check it to be sure.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic I can only imagine how hardworking you are for balancing your work as a doctor and as a magician...
Great job !
Maybe I'm reading him wrong, but the Dr. looked legit pissed off at Penn as he walked off stage.
TorQueMoD, yes you are wrong. I complimented them, and walked off the stage, pointing to my wife in the crowd .
@Lord Frog you have no idea the complex moves that went into that trick. That shows how naive you are. Any flash was due to the 9 cameras from all angles focused on you. It is the job of the producer to catch any flashes and show the best angle in post production to present the trick in the best way possible. They clearly missed any flash that was noticed, as did most of America.
@Lord Frog that is exactly why I am performing on TV, and you are at home making stupid remarks. Good luck to you, must be nice knowing that you will always be nothing more than a troll. Cheers.
I don't know how close i am, but don't look at the hand he shows you.
Great routine! Only Wild Coin routine out there that has a plot other than changing coins. I am surprised others who have commented have trashed this. Seems a lot of people want to get on and write how smart they are for rewinding and figuring out how it's done. I doubt P&T could follow where the coins were at any time, due to all the clever transfers that were done. If the Eric Meade 90% rule was applied to this, I am sure they would admit they were fooled, but that was a one time thing they allowed. P&T say it's not about the fooling, it's about showcasing good magic. Which they did here.
magiclover12 I don’t think anyone needed rewind for this one. We live in an age where many of us have seen a lot of coin magic. Despite not being able to do the sleights ourselves this guys were so slow it seemed like a tutorial. Which many of us have also watched just to see if we could do it. I for one cannot would take years of practice. Doesn’t change the fact that this guys sleights were extremely slow and ez to follow without rewinding
The reason it's slow is to coordinate with the story. Most wild coin routines take a minute. That would not be long enough to perform on the show, if done without the story. The story is what makes this trick, without it it's just another wild coin. The Dr. even states to Allison that the trick is magical theatre, where the magic just complements the story.
magiclover12 it did not compliment the performance that’s the point 99% of the comments are making. If we had not witnessed almost 100% of the sleights based on very slow very clear palming techniques then it would have been better. I have watched many coin magic acts on this show alone, most of which I couldn’t follow the sleights at all. I didn’t miss a single one on this performance except for the ending vanish of the gold coin I indeed missed it. I don’t rewind or rewatch to try and catch it either.
Actually each move was motivated by the words. Not one move was unnatural. If you know anything about coin magic as you admit you do, starting with the knowledge of the structure (as with any Wild Coin routine) you could certainly follow the coins, especially when Rubinstein shows an empty hand. A LAYMAN would NOT know the structure, anything about one or four gold coins, the actual hidden purpose of the cup, and would have no idea of what coins are where, and would not know what to follow. And they wouldn't know what to expect, so each change would appear magical. That is the nature of this plot. The story itself is unusual in coin magic, as most people (see Roth who did the same trick in season 3), just change the coins one at a time with no patter. The story in my opinion, is different, dramatic, and does indeed give a justification for what happens in the effect.
As for the one flash I saw, I know there are several cameras that shoot from different angles, and it should have been corrected in their pre show editing, but likely was missed. And I am sure most people did miss it, including myself who went back and watched the routine several times because I have a love of coin magic and had not seen some of those techniques before. So, I have to disagree with you. I read all of these posts because I am a fan of the show, and many of the negative comments here and ELSEWHERE are often unjustified. These tricks get on the show because the producers and magic consultants picked them out of all of the submissions they receive, because they like them, and they are interesting for TV.
magiclover12 you certainly are allowed to have that opinion. Being the consumer also grants the individuals in these comment sections to have an opinion. If they don’t like something an explanation of why they should doesn’t work. As a performer the job is to speak to the audience if it didn’t sit then that’s just how it is. Adapt or fail at entertainment.
I wonder how do these magicians, develop their plan, knowing that PENN and TELLER are magical scholars?
Hi Johnnie! Actually, of the two, it is Teller who is the scholar in close-up magic. But magicians for the most part are selected by the producers, not because they have a routine to fool Penn and Teller (that is only a gimmick for the watchers), but because they feel that the routine will play well on TV (the real goal of the show is just to present good magic). The stucture of my own routine is classic, even though the moves are original, but the producers wanted to present the story, something very rare in coin magic. As for fooling them, I used an original technique they didn't know (unless they saw my DVDS) and they got it. I dpubt that they were able to follow the coins at any given time, but they didn't need to to "win". All they had to say was that it was sleight of hand. You can be sure that all the performers who do sleight of hand probably fooled them with a move or two, but they don't need to explain the workings of the entire trick (or most guys would win), just the general idea. That is why you are told not to worry about fooling them, just put on a good show. Hope that answers your question, cheers!
@@rubinsteincoinmagic Hi, Dr. Rubenstein. I know that "it's an honor just to be nominated" is one of those things people say when they don't win when they try to feel better, but in the case of Fool Us, at least to me, a non-magician, it seems like just being able to perform on the TV show is itself a bigger "prize" than the prize you get for winning. I'm sure it'd be an honor for any magician to be the opening act for Penn & Teller in Las Vegas, but even just going on the show means you're performing your routine for an audience of millions of people across the world. Is that the feeling for you, as a magician? That even if you don't fool Penn & Teller and don't get their trophy, just by being on the TV show, you've sort of already "won?"
@@billyeveryteen7328 the short answer is YES. Fooling them is just a gimmick, and allows you to put it on your resume. But being ON the show looks just as good on your resume to be honest. It is not like you are doing an opening act like musicians have when they tour. Most magicians on the show usually have not had an opportunity to perform on National TV before this show, so you are right, just being selected is quite an honor.
It has to do with the sound, gives the illusion of the coin going in. Maybe he has a pedal at his feet
no... he has 1 gold coin, and 4 copper coins. When the first coin turns to gold it's really just him palming the copper one and replacing it with the gold one he had been previously palming. Once the story is over and it's time to drop the coin he swaps the coins again, ultimately dropping the copper coin into the cup. He then does the same process using a variety of different techniques for each copper till all 4 copper have been dropped into the cup.
Where did the gold coin go? if you are watching closely (during the last copper switch) when you see him move the gold coin from one hand to the other, you will then notice he drops his hand and slides the gold coin under the mat. When they were using code to talk he asks Penn if he knows how he "kept his hands clean while dealing with 4 dirty coins" he was referring to this aspect of the trick. Penn's response being "that part of the trick didn't Mat-ter too us" implying it did not fool them, and he knew the coin was under the mat.
3:59 you can see something in between his fingers and the coin. orange-brownish
you're not as smart as you think you are
The negative comments here are HILARIOUS in their stupidity!
Thanks for making the meta comment.
slow sleight of hand
Hi! There is a saying in magic -
Keep your magic smooth and slow, and the magic will always flow. But if you hesitate when moving fast, the illusion of magic just won't last. Magicians understand this.
This was a nicely done trick, but there is no way Penn and Teller took that long to figure it out, I rarely catch the methods in these episodes and even I got it very quickly. Reply with what you think Penn and Teller were talking about instead of the method.
They actually talk for a much longer time, but that is edited out. They discuss the method, and the code they can use. The second time they talked, they had to figure out what happened to the last coin. It appeared to me that Penn didn't know, but Teller either knew the method or back engineered to get there.
Cool story and decent performance but I wouldn't say one of the most well known and simple coin tricks in the book is really up to the Penn and Teller bar. Also given they're both expert in decoding magic and Teller is reputed to be one of the best sleight of hand artists such performance really shouldn't be expected to even come close to fooling them. Due all respect, even if the sleight of hand was %100 perfect, it wouldn't take them any more than dropping the coin to figure it out.
The producers wanted to showcase the routine because of the presentation. You see, it's not about fooling them, that's just a gimmick. It's about presenting good magic. They already knew the effect because David Roth performed a similar routine 2 yrs prior.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic Well that's just wonderful then. Even being on the show must've been exhilarating and you did a good job at what you were supposed to too. Cheers.
@@MMYLDZ thank you
if you want to fool Penn and Teller then becareful with Alison
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Why?
Visitors beware: The comments on this video are a little disappointing.
This magician is bloody amazing
not really. just simple palming. looks even easier than the usual cups and coins trick.
Actually, as a magician I can tell you there are some very sophisticated transfers, and I doubt anyone could easily follow. It looks simple because that Dude is Freakin good! Cups and coins uses a gimmick, btw, and you can buy it at any magic shop. This type of trick takes yrs of practice.
magiclover12 I easily followed every move on the first watch and im not a magician.
Nicholas Rickhoff I don't know if you are a magician, or have any knowledge of coin magic. I perform a version of this trick with silver and chinese coins, and it always plays well. A layman would have a hard time figuring this out unless they watch over and over, for the following reasons. 1. They would have no expectation what to suspect. Each coin becomes gold. There would be no reason for a layman to suspect the multi function of one coin. 2. The cup, as you mention, has a hidden purpose. A layman would have no reason to suspect it's purpose. 3. The gold all vanishes at the end. That in itself is magical. 4. The techniques used here are pretty sophisticated for coin magic. More goes on than the spellbound changes that many have dissed. I do coin magic, but had to review to catch the hand to hand transfers that were used. I had not seen the second change before, which in my opinion was the most magical of the four. So, there are a million different versions of this routine, but I thought the moves were great and put together in a solid structure. Now, if you have no coin knowledge and figured it out on one view, then I tip my cap to you. My own routine is much simpler, and always gets a great reaction. But probably not by this crowd.
@Nicholas Rickhoffhe uses several fake sleights in this to throw people off. Every kid on CZcams thinks they're some sort of expert because of some poor editing and slowing down videos to .25 speed. Also hilariously, usually the top comment on all these videos I'm with the "solution" is so far off from reality, it's comical. I'd bet a million dollars you couldn't sit 2 feet from him and remotely guess where the coins are with even 75 percent accuracy. This guy is considered by most coin magicians to be in the top 5 coin guys to ever live.
Let's make it awkward 🤪 at the end 7:94
Mat turn mrans he hid the golden coin under the mat ... Wich we can see
*Well spotted. That dude CHEATED!*
He didn't fool me. How can he fool Penn and Teller 😉
If you read my comments, you would know that the producers chose the routine for me to perform. They didn't care that Penn and Teller wouldn't be fooled, they wanted to present the story which was unique in coin magic, and would play well on TV. The producers were more interested in good television, the fooling thing is really only a gimmick. Penn and Teller understood the trick was sleight of hand, and that's all they needed to say to "win". However, even though the routine is based on the workings of Wild Coin by David Roth, (which they are very familiar with, especially because Roth presented the same routine 2 yrs ago using different moves but the same mechanism), the moves were unique and very sophisticated, and I doubt Penn and Teller knew where coins were at any given time. But they didn't need to know, they just had to achnowledge the basic working. And by the way, there was no Ramsay subtlety, but that miscall was only a technicality since the basic position of the coin is the same even without employing the subtlety.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic I appreciate your patience in writing a detailed explanation. But being a magic lover I wasn't that satisfied but the true thing is storey was good
@@rubinsteincoinmagic a lot of people don't realise this show is basically an advert for magicians to get their acts out into a more public eye or a different demographic than usual. Penn and Teller say that they know the moves or recall the origin of the trick and prefer your version or haven't seen it done better since 'insert old magician here' that's a blurb to put on your poster for your next show.
That being said either you are fantastic at making it look like something is in your hand when it isn't or I could follow the coins at every step. I'd love to see a twist at the end where the cup is turned over and is completely empty... be very fitting of the twilight zone.
@@jayofthep I certainly can't tell you what you can intuit or not, but the moves are well done, very sophisticated. Even magicians (including Penn and Teller) would be hard pressed during a performance to say where coins are at any given time, until I show an obviously empty hand. Layman don't watch to figure out a trick, they are relaxed and enjoy the magic. People who watch these CZcams spots do exactly the opposite. The ending is classic for this effect, and fits the story perfectly. Any thought of changing the ending as a twist would just be no sense magician magic.
Finally the statement that you say I am fantastic at making it look like something is in my hand when it isn't is a pretty snarky comment. Totally uncalled for and makes you look kind of a jerk.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic that's a fair statement. I couldn't do what you do. I could have made it more of a constructive criticism instead of a backhanded compliment.
I had meant it in terms of 'if I were to break down the video and point out were I believed the coins to be at each step' and then I was corrected that in fact the coins were somewhere else entirely then your... fake palming skills (is that the term?) were fantastic.
The performance was amazing but you come on to penn and teller and do and basic sleight of hand coin trick
Teller has finally broke down and started speaking on the Big Bang Theory.
The easiest magic trick ever performed in Penn and Teller Fool Us! Anyone can figure out the trick!🤔😇
The hardest thing in magic is to forget what you know, and see a trick the way someone would see it if they didn't know how it was done. -David Roth
If you are indeed a magician as your name implies, you would know that this effect is a classic of coin magic, and has entertained lay audiences since introduced by David Roth 40 yrs ago. He actually performed the same effect 2 seasons prior (with different techniques). And, as a magician you would understand all the moves and timing that goes along with the color changes, that you couldn't do. And you would realize that the patter that goes along with the routine is unique, and the reason why the Producers wanted me to present this routine on their show. And if you are not a magician, you would have no idea what is easy and what is not. Cheers.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic I am indeed a magician!! And I must say, time has evolved, we are not in 90s. The fooler could have performed this trick in any other show. As time evolves, tricks get more complex and even we become more accustomed to regular tricks. The trick shown by this gentleman was so simple, didnot deserved to be shown in 2020, and more importantly the standard of this trick was too low to be performed in a show like PENN AND TELLER FOOL US!! Penn had to act a lot to show that he is thinking how he did it, but in reality he is acting. It didnot take him even 1 second to figure out the trick!!🤔
@@tmmagician4101 actually, I am the gentleman who performed the trick. The routine was developed in the 80s not the 90s by the way, and stands the test of time as evidenced by all the magicians who perform it. As I said, it was already done on the show, but the producers wanted the story. As a magician you should know that the focus of the show is not to fool them, as I have stated many times that is only a gimmick. The focus of the show is to show an entertaining effect. But if you are a magician, you would understand the difficulty of the moves between the color changes, and the need to make every move motivated by the patter. The story is unique and provides an emotional tug which makes the trick interesting (and topical to any era). The kids today think that angly and flashy moves are cool, but those don't work on TV. As a working magician you above layman should appreciate that. Penn and Teller know the basic structure of the effect, and just need to say that it's sleight of hand. And they are right. But watching a trick live and only one time, they do not see all the transfers and nuances that occur. The thing I asked them about was based on an original technique they wouldn't have otherwise known, and they got it (maybe they have seen my many coin teaching dvds). But what you don't see because it is edited, is that they talk for several minutes, not a few seconds. There are indeed ways to perform this that are much easier, but still require skill. To belittle the routine by saying how easy it is shows you don't understand much about structuring a routine and how to develop and promote a plot, much less what constitutes entertainment for a lay audience. But you might want to look at a good book like Coinmagic by Richard Kaufman, David Roth's Expert Coin Technique, and my own Rubinstein Coin Magic. If you are not aware of those books, check out my 16 volume New York Coin Magic Seminar dvds/ downloads sold through Vanishingincmagic. Or, maybe you won't because you realize how difficult coin magic is compared to any other type of sleight of hand, and just don't put in the time to learn good magic.
@@rubinsteincoinmagic I now realise you are Dr. Rubinstein. My intention was not to look down upon you, your skills are great without any doubt. But I just gave my personal opinion! Your coin changes looked impressive to me, but I felt they were a bit old fashioned! But don't take it otherwise! I always respect you as a magician, and above all as a doctor, the saviour of life! 'Hope you continue to entertain and serve people and carry on with your nobel work! With love...❤🙏👍
@@tmmagician4101 thank you. I am happy that almost half a million people have watched this spot, and continue to do so after two years. Without giving anything away to lay people, the fingertip changeover palms and separations are not easy to do, and the second change is actually a very old move that fools most magicians because it has been forgotten. Actually only the first move is a basic spellbound move. Most people may be familiar with the first move, but then as you may have seen from other posts they don't bother to understand the rest. I never mind a personal opinion, and enjoy the spirited discussion. Cheers.
Sure the slights are good, but I figured out the old coins were going in the cup before he even showed them. Lame trick sorry.
It is actually a classic of coin magic. The reason the producers wanted it for the show was because of the presentation. The method is well known in coin magic, and David Roth did the same trick with a slightly different method two yrs prior. Sorry.
No offense, I followed every move so easily that I genuinely started to think that maybe he was fooling me. Then it turned out, nope.
I did very much enjoy his trick though.
written by HilmRawr, an intellectual
its Rubinstein not Rubinstine, why is that so hard for english speakers? spell it "shtayne"
The trick was okhay but the story was great
You could have fooled them.....
If they were 8 years old!!
I'm 8 years old
95% of the story could've been cut out...
Well I don't think he'd win close up magic competitions. You can constantly see his hand cupped with the other coin in it. Not a bad presentation tho.
I actually won two international close-up competitions. You seem to conflate hand position with concealment. My, how you must have studied this. But to explain why you are incorrect would reveal too much about the working of the trick, and there is no need.
Yeah this one was super obvious...
This is essentially close-up coin magic. Can't we all agree that dozens of camera changes during close-up coin magic really ruins it? especially when P&T are not invited on the stage? I replaced a Diet Coke with a beer during one of those camera changes. That would be pretty spectacular with the correct camera changes. It might look 'magical'. No, that was me swapping a soda for a beer. It took around 2 minutes to do so, but with the magic of the camera...
the worst part of this trick was the comic sans
g man?
Why did he think this would fool them?
Actually D, I didn't present the trick to fool them. The producers chose the trick for me to present, after looking over a bunch of things I do. Penn and Teller already knew the trick because it is a classic of coin magic. And in fact, David Roth presented the same effect (with different moves) two seasons earlier. The producers don't care if the trick can fool them, that's just a gimmick to make the show interesting for the viewer. What they look for is to make a good show, and they chose this because they liked the presentation. As I stated, and despite some of the stupid comments in this section by people who think they know everything,, a lot of the moves did fool them (they don't have the advantage of watching it on a screen over and over like the You Tubers have), but they just need to know the basic concept and say you used sleight of hand to "win". I used a technique at the end that they would only know if they were familiar with my magic, and they got that. What you don't see is that they talk for a while before they answer, not for 5 seconds as it seems in the edited show. And, as I mentioned before, any flashes that are seen are the fault of the producers who edit from 9 cameras filming, and who just missed them. Hope that answers your question. Cheers.
Rubinstein Coin Magic - thanks mate. And don’t get me wrong. You did it beautifully. And yeah, I get that not all tricks will fool them (I mean, in season 1 they had people doing quick dress acts and normal cups and balls). And I find it amusing to see what the muggles come up with for “methods”. And look, I do a similar finish with, well, the darker aspects of our art...so if they had said Mat to me, I would have had to say yes but only in the general sense. So I understand that they “cheat” like that.
What I didn’t realise is that the producers chose the trick in some cases.