Lower Tier Guides: Introducing CVs With The Hosho
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2016
- People have been requesting a low tier CV guide from me for ages, so basically took a bunch of tips and tricks and slammed them together into this introduction that will hopefully be helpful to some people!
- Hry
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Autodrops actually have one use. If you are about to die you can set them in advance and they will strike even after your death.
Flamu recommends thinking , comeon thats just to OP
Shouldn't have called out my team to be honest, but after watching my entire team sail past the B capture point, repeatedly, I'm pretty sure I lost some braincells. CVs aren't really my style nor my favorite type of ship, but hopefully this guide will teach you something you didn't know before!
Ty Flamu ...was waiting fo a vid like this
u should think about hosting "tutor lessons".. for a price of course.. 2€/h for a team of 4 players on audio-chat or smth.. or analyse player game live,and correct him,and give after game report of player weakness, advantages(if any lol) for some price..just trying to make a suggestion how to capitalize on your knowledge and skill that is worthwhile your time and would also be beneficial for the customer who will hopefully become better player..
They need to add more incentive to take a point, maybe make the caps a fuel/ammo depot. Can't stand it when your team just completely refuse to take any risks!
Good idea, but why only 2€/h? He could charge 20€/h for a team. At least. But would probably be better off streaming for an hour.
of course, have no idea for price, it depends of demand/supply ratio.. i think an hour with full time Flamu availability analysing your match, your weaknesses, faults, suggestions, remarks is easily worth 20€...if it raises your avg. exp from 800 exp per match to 1200 exp. you get all that money back you would have to otherwise spend it on premium time etc..))
I learnt a lot from the video. Thank you very much. Usually I do the cross drop simultaneously. I think your method is better. I also forgot about manual dropping. Last CV I used is Bogue during Open Beta.
Great vids again :) May I ask why you like to play Shima more than CV, I always see Shima gameplay much more boring even when I utilize its guns a lot.
And how do you think about not strafing bomber and use normal attack only against them (unless they are about to drop)? Low tier fighters have like 3-4x more ammo than high tier so sometimes it might save more ammo that way rather than 2x failed strafe.
Enjoyable video. I'm just finally deciding to learn carriers and I am kind of flailing with the Langley in Randoms. Can you do an updated video featuring the Langley now with no manual drop or strafe? It seems like my main issue is poor positioning of planes, especially fighters as well as the ship itself.
You gotta keep in mind that USN Carriers are inferior from Japanese counterparts, You Have to Use your Fighters Intensively as they are your best bet against IJN Carriers, Also keep in mind your squadrons are less but planes in Squadrons are more than enemy's.... So you'll do more effective torpedo run than iJN if you managed to hit all of your Torpedoes and the enemy doesn't Stack two torpedo squadrons at once..... Like IJN (Tier 6)has 3 Bombers per squadron so 3 hits, and USN has 4, So 4 > 3 but if IJN take 2 Torp squads so 3*2 > 4
just found this !!! thanks potato god!!
filthy carrier :D but good to see that you do videos on every type. nice work and keep going!
Thanks so much! This is old but it seems to be the best content on how to play given we start out with tier 4 cvs. Most CCs forget what it is like to play these lower tiers and get dumpstered by higher tiers while we slowly figure out game as new people?
I was surprised that you didn't mention DB manual drop. Especially in high tier US CV
@3:05 Isn't the out of map planes considered an exploit ?
I tend to always send replays when i see people doing that
I forgot how to do the manual drop, when I went back to carriers, the alt key was just the alternate battle interface, how can I be able to do Manual drop torpedoes and bomb
Great guide, definitely learned some things. Playing CV can be very very frustrating...I feel I have to go fighters every time because if the opposing CV goes fighters and I don't, I get wrecked or at least am largely useless. If I go fighters myself then I spend most of the game chasing their planes and do little damage. Any tips on how to remedy this predicament? Also, any tips on using dive bombers more effectively?
Consider dive bombers your "fire on demand" button. The actual damage the bombs do is irrelevant, you want to be using them to start fires. Torpedo a ship, cause flooding, wait until he has repaired (check tech tree for repair durations on different ships) and then bomb him to cause unrepairable fires.
Choose a balanced setup and learn how to strafe with your fighters and when to engage combat. If the enemy CV has the SA setup, try to snipe him at the start of the battle.
How do you play strike spec? I found it hard to do after getting my Bogue.
the first hosho Clip... Was that priscillas song from the witcher 3?
I really wish I had a chance to play CVs like this. The new CVs get boring so fast
I know this is a bit late, but you cant manual drop with the Hosho, can you?
I have tried but it doesnt let me.
hey Flamu in your opinion is it worth gettting torpedo acceleration on US cvs or im better of getting high alert?
i was considering TA but i read on the forum that TA on us torp bombers makes the torps spread away more rapidly so idk if that affects much on high tier considering that WG made US CVS to be dive bomber heavy
Olet ihan kingi. Olen pommittanut Hosholla top 5. lämän EU servuille enkä edes osannut tota reuna hommaa. Kiitos.
I'm a Langley player and have a problem, my bombers don't do any damage so I have to rely on my one torpedo squadron what should I do? Please help me!!!
The dive bombers doesnt have a high dmg outout, but they can easily disable ships. The dive bombers initial dmg is slow , but they can set fires, and it slows the ships a bit. They are perfect against DD-s too since there is no way you will hit them with torps.
first time i see someone play like this :)
just wow
I tried CV's in Beta and didn't get on with them, but if I was to try them again, would you suggest American or Japanese CV's to start with? Is there much difference between them?
The greatest difference is the amount of squadrons and planes per squadron.
USN CVs are generally better at dominating the skies, while IJN CVs are generally better at dishing out damage. (However at some tiers, depending on the setup you choose, it's the other way around.)
I would suggest every player who wants to play CVs to play both nations' CVs until T5 (Zuiho and Bogue), to get a feeling of their strengths and weaknesses. I would also suggest to try out the different setups.
e.g.
AS Bogue is the best to dominate the skies but the worst to deal out damage (2x fighters, 1x dive bombers);
Strike Bogue is the best to deal out damage but can't dominate the skies (1x torpedo bombers, 2x dive bombers);
Stock Bogue is good to dominate the skies and good to deal out damage (1x fighters, 1x torpedo bombers)
flame why do you have access to the sipa and the idonapolas
It won't let me drop manuel drops when I hold left alt and I noitced that US carriers can't have 2 torp squads
A few patches ago, they removed manual drop from tier 4 and 5 aircraft carriers, probs to stop seal clubbing
seal clubbing?
Taking advantage of the terrible AA down at low tiers to instantly kill ships
Ohh well it's annoying bc we can't drop torps into smoke screens in low tiers and the amount of xp you get per round sucks. It took me 73 battles to get the Langley and it has taken me 19 battles with it to get 12k xp away from the next carrier. It takes too long
this may sound dumb but how do i select multiple plane squads at one time?
Hold down shift and press the corresponding number or left click squads with the mouse (also while holding down shift). Alternatively you can even click and drag a box around the squads to select them.
left click, hold and move mouse
left click and drag over plane groups to select and then click on map where you want them to go
I have a dumb question. How do you get to that overhead view you're using on this tutorial? I have a Langley, but I'm so far unable to use that overhead view I see in these CV tutorials. Is it a mod, or what key combo do I use? I wish these "basic" CV tutorials would demonstrate how to get to the overhead view the demonstrators are using to show their tactics.
The tutorial was made 3 years ago. In early 2018 CVs were massively changed. This is the pre-rework state, it's left in the mobile version of the game, Woold of Warships Blitz.
Reworked.
I wouldn't worry too much about losing planes to AA until tier 6 because AA in low level ships are quite abysmal. Just don't let your fighters get caught by enemy fighters when you are hovering around enemy AA because only then it could make impact.
I highly recommend 'Air Group Modification' over 'Flight Control Modification' for upgrade 2 because winning fighter battle and keeping your fighters alive are so important in low tier CV battle; once you lose all fighters and enemy CV still has theirs, you are pretty much screwed. You only have 2-3 control groups so you can't really outmaneuver or juke their fighters; you only have few extra planes to spare whenever you lose one, and their fighters only need to shoot down 2~3 of your squadrons until you are completely out of planes. Your planes can't hide behind ally cruisers and battleships because their AAs are useless in low tiers. The fate of your entire flock depends on your fighters, and you really need to keep them alive as long as possible.
enemy Hosho got 7 bar hp fighter and my only have 4 bar. how do i increase it? some people said it commader skill but none said increase hp except that skill that only increase 5%
It wasn't a hosho. That would be an enemy langley/bogue with the air supremacy skill which adds 1 fighter to his squadron of 6, making 7. need a 15 point captain or more to have this skill, so he was probably seal clubbing.
i just started playing cvs fighting those kind of commanders... got blamed hard. srsly at least match us against similar lvl commanders
Miss the good old days
Can you do Langley please!
Thanks
CVs have the highest carry potential, if they're facing equal tier ships. I'm having quite a trouble with my Independence atm as I keep on getting into T8 battles, and T6 planes vs T8 AA.. not a great idea :P
Yeah, the Indy definitely needs some love. It gets spanked by T7 and 8 planes when using strike, and you get sniped if you use fighters.
Indy will get preferential MM where -/+1 tier battle only.
I thought CVs would get preferential MM with 0.5.9, but apparently I was mistaken. Do you know for sure they will get it? Because atm I've stopped playing CVs above T5.
mid tier carrier life is really sad... after t8 it gets better
thought the same as well. I hate getting placed in t8 games in my Indy, or worse Ryujo
i love this cv. back when flooding is not nerf, i always delay the 2nd torpedo bomber to sink the battleship via flooding.
yea it was really good before...now i first do a TB strike and then do DB strike for fires.
First do the dive bombers, fires give less DOT then flooding. (Flood = 2m Fire = -+40sec)
i know that but flooding is now VERY inconsistent with carriers so i do TB first and then fires.
its annoying to torp bomb after fires and do no flooding
cobrazax Hmmm. With the 15% flood flag you'll get a flood if you hit +-3 TB hits. (Or 0 if RNG decides to fck you. xD)
im in a hosho my bombers keep getting decemated what do i do
focus lone battleships, come from their side and quickly drop then go back away from their AA and when you are out of their AA. go back to carrier to rearm and make sure u dont get near enemy AA.
if u can go for the weakest AA target, especially BBs as they are easier to hit.
use fighters to eliminate enemy fighters and bombers. u can lock fighters with your own fighters, but best near the best friendly AA u can find. a good strafe can help too. also u can just make the enemy follow u into heavy AA and then make him weaker.
How to manuel drop i am on mac
I know i know
I still don't know if the tier 4 is fair. IJN:2 torp 1 fighter vs USN: 1 fighter 1 torp 1 bomber. Was better in the past when there were no dive bombers for USN. Because Langley will always outperform the fighters. But it's tier 4, so people don't know what they are doing. :P
i would prefer langely without dive bombers, as they take aircraft slots.
fighters and torp bombers only are great, i used only those on my bogue with starting loadout.
Langley is well... susceptible to getting alpha striked because it's so slow, and it's aircraft are generally slower than the hosho, also long reload times :v
yea, but without the DB, its really good as it has more fighters and 1 big torp squad.
it makes it very easy to control, even for new players.
the DB are a bad addition, as they take the space of more useful fighters and TB, and they are not useful that much. also u need to micro more, and at low tiers, its easier to control 1 strike plane type than 2 different types
When I was playing the Langley, I found it easier to alpha strike enemy carriers, torpedo bombers first, wait for them to repair, then drop the bombs on them, ans USN dive bomber squadrons don't mess around, even if they are only tier III
they are much stronger from tier 8, and most low tier players arent really that good.
also i prefer to just have more fighters and TB
back when the hosho had manual drops
thought you could use manuals om tire 4-5 ??? just auto...
y can u be spot thow thinks ie land mass
I had one game in Hiryu where I landed 7 torps on a BB bad got no flooding...feelsbadman.
I had one game with Independence where I did over 181k damage and still lost ... feelsbadman :P
Great video! JSUK "expertise" is pronounced like "expert - ease," not like how it is spelled.
How should I put it...
Ok - cuting down on the use of the words "basically" and "actually" wouldn't necessarily make your videos sound strange. I think you could do that. Yes. ;-)
"How to seal club."
Is North Carolina worth grinding too?
Yes
Yes. Beautiful ship and it got armor buff. Just don't get the range increase upgrade because it will destroy your gun arcs and shell velocity. 20k range is good enough. Plus you get 406mm guns and terrific AA and it's the first USA BB that can go faster than 21kn with a top speed of about 28-30kn with mobility upgrades. Fantastic ship, my fave BB in game due to it being at a great tier. Get the North Carolina mate!
Well New Mexico is so slow! Can't wait for the NC. Looks so great!
+Victor Sung haha I love my New Mexico. Did you pick up the Arizona? It helps with the grind so much
+Jonathan Aranda Yet to get a good game in the NM. Idiot teammates. Like yeh, just give free ambush smoke to enemy dd.
Just bought this so it looks like I’m coming out of the closet
What server is Flamu on?
EU
thanks
have fun with cv until t6 when u meet the cleaveland...I wonder if Im a masochist still playing cv even with all those AA buff. More aa buff pls cv still exist...
lol, it's sad that CV still get ignored
only way to deal with them is sniping from long range (it's possible with enough practice) or waiting for their AA guns to be shaved of by team HE fire. Rip for new zuiho and bouge players in a tier 6 game though
On the opposite end of the spectrum, however, the Cleveland has been so heavily neutered that nowhere near as many players want to run it, and because CVs aren't very common anymore, most Cruisers run Hydro Search.
The CV class can do amazing damage at any tier really.
Why some players got pink ships?
Teamkillers. They are marked for several games as TKers until they go back to contributing to the team where the pink designation is cancelled.
Yep, in my case it was doing a whole 2k damage to a DD that sailed into the left-over torps after I killed the guy who was about to kill him..
belive it or not I got pink from ram damage yesterday
At low tiers I expected as much; you don't come off as a rage-indued TKer to me Flamu.
Also lovely way to carry that noob team to victory; somebody even accused you of Sealclubbing XD
i got pink for trying to kill a teamkiller while he was torping me, after he already hit me with the torps and kept torping at melle range.
the game actually killed me for it too...
you should mention that the IJN carriers are much better at tier 7, 8, 9 and (I believe) 10 than US carriers before these new players get stuck into the US CV line and found out that the Essex is disgustingly bad! haha!
All assumes that you know what you're doing to start with.
Where the fuck can I find a proper beginners guide to CVs?
Agreed. I've only ever played my Hosho once because it was painfully confusing and I'm sure I did everything wrong and pretty much ruined everything. Strategy for every ship might be a learning process, but basic controls are intuitive... then you have Carriers... not intuitive at all.
a-SkepticalMan I
Agreed. I usually watch videos/read blogs before I actually research a ship, and play a game or two in co-op to make sure I have the basics after I buy it. You really only start learning in Random, though.
Ichasegaming
So uh, how am I supposed to use this without manual drop? Fighters are the worst Ive ever seen in a video game ever, they might as well be in a parachute with how weak they are
Good old days 😊
Sad that W.G. Slowly (or rapidly) killing the game. 😢
now play usn cv the real hard shit
Usually i do enjoy your videos a lot, you are a very good player and respect you for this and the fact tat you share your knowledge. My problem with this video is that your so called "tricks" make people violated the rules of the game. The map border is there for reason, its not made to be crossed, neither is leaving the map with your planes to hide them from the mini map a valide tactic. It's obviously intended by the developer. There for those two tricks are basically glitches and bugs you use to your advantage and this is the worst, sharing such glichtes is even worse. Its hard to respect you after you did this for no reason.
While I am wholly against cheating or exploiting, I have to respectfully disagree that this violates the rules of the game. First, the developers are almost certainly aware of this possibility, and would be very easy to fix by simply not letting planes cross the border; however, there is a reason this is in the game. As Flamu mentioned, the ability to drop outside the map border is intended to let carriers do something about people riding the border; otherwise, players could simply scrape the border and be, maybe not immune to, but certainly much more resistant to torpedo bomber attack. As for using it to hide your planes, the only thing that really does is make players be more aware of their surroundings, which I don't find to be a bad thing.
Too much work, I'll pass on them. lol
incredibly weak carrier