Asics Metaspeed Paris Sky + Edge: Why I chose the Sky
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- čas přidán 19. 03. 2024
- In this video I go through the differences between the Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris and Edge Paris. I talk about my experiences in earlier versions, my confusion in picking the two and why I chose to buy the Metaspeed Sky Paris.
You may have chosen one or other, or neither. It would be great to hear in the comments why.
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SHOES:
Manufacturer: Asics
Model: Metaspeed Sky Paris
Colour: Sunrise Red/Black
Size: US 13/EUR 48/CM 30.5/UK12/BR46/CN305(2.5)
Weight (as tested): 233g/8.22oz (Left Shoe) 228g/8.04oz (Right Shoe)
Midsole Drop: 5mm
Stack: 39.5mm
Cost: €250.00/$250.00/£225.00?/AU$330.00
Purchased From: Asics
Location: Online
Date: 4 March 2024
www.asics.com
Manufacturer: Asics
Model: Metaspeed Sky+
Colour: Velvet Pine/Safety Yellow
Size: US 13/EUR 48/CM 30.5/UK12/BR46/CN305(2.5)
Weight (as tested): 255.00g / 9.0oz (Left Shoe) 249.00g / 8.80oz (Right Shoe)
Midsole Drop: 5mm
Stack: 39-34mm
Cost: €250.00 (Ireland) / $250.00 / £225.00 /AU$330.00
Purchased From: Asics
Location: Online
Date: 22 June 2022
www.asics.com
Manufacturer: Asics
Model: Metaspeed Edge
Colour: Sunrise Red / White
Size: US 13/EUR 48/CM 30.5/UK12
Weight (as tested): 225.00g / 7.95oz (Left Shoe) 229.00g / 8.10oz (Right Shoe)
Midsole Drop: 8mm
Stack: 29- 21mm (M) 28-20mm (W)
Cost: €250.00 (Ireland) / $250.00 / £225.00
Purchased From: Asics
Location: Online
Date: 8 June 2021
www.asics.com
Manufacturer: Asics
Model: Metaspeed Sky
Colour: Sunrise Red / White
Size: US 13 / EUR 48 / CM 30.5 / UK12
Weight (as tested): 242.00g / 8.55oz (Left Shoe) 235.00g / 8.45oz (Right Shoe)
Midsole Drop: 5mm
Stack: 33-28mm
Cost: €250.00 (Ireland) / $250.00 / £225.00
Purchased From: Asics
Location: Online
Date: 6 April 2021
www.asics.com
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Great review Barry
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Cheers! The initial Sky Paris review should go live tonight...then a shed load of testing...! Mostly against the Vaporfly 3 most likely...
For me who loves the Alphafly 1/3 (4 pairs total) and Vaporfly 1/3 (3 pairs total) and Sky v1 (1 pair) and a heavy forefoot striker, the plate placement doesn't really bother me as much wheather high or low plate. I think it's more of the midsole magic that does it for me. Saying that I think I'll be getting the Sky Paris with the amazing weight savings and bouncier and lighter FF Turbo+, Asics are onto something here. Great vid, Barry!
I think the weight savings on the Sky Paris are really good, which makes it surprising that the Edge has gained weight...
I picked the Sky Paris even though I am so called cadence runner. I’m a flat footed supinator who lands more laterally. So the Sky’s platform is better. The Sky is also better at holding pace due to the high plate position. Really good for events 21k and up. The Edge Paris is firmer. I will use it for 5k/10k. Much snappier shoe due to the low plate drop.
Thanks for this Ben. I bought the Edge to do more testing and it should be on its way…
Tried both in store for quite a while last week whilst also rotating into the Vaporfly 3’s. The edge in particular is very very similar to them but obviously not as compressive as ZoomX.
I tried the Sky & Edge Plus last year and between the two, they were very very different shoes-and I really did not like the Sky+ at all.
These new Paris versions are much more alike.
I still ultimately went with the Edge as I prefer the more rollover style of stride when really pushing the speed but this time around could easily have been happy with the Sky.
I have both Sky and Edge Paris, I love them both. Even when owning both it’s hard to decide between them, but I’m leaning towards Edge for my important races. I’m faster in them, but I enjoy the Sky’s ride even more, especially at easier paces. Edge pushes me forward, so there is never any easy pace with them 😅
Great to hear what you make of them both. I decided to go ahead and get the Edge Paris to try and see for myself what I can make of the differences...
Hello - here old man saying sky is a bit lighter. But a couple other reviewers saying just opposite with edge lighter. Could you do a quick check of weights for your 2 shoes? Thanks
Sky Paris: Weight (as tested): 233g/8.22oz (Left Shoe) 228g/8.04oz (Right Shoe)
Edge Paris: Weight (as tested): 228g/8.04oz (Left Shoe) 228g/8.04oz (Right Shoe)
Size: US 13/EUR 48/CM 30.5/UK12/BR46/CN305(2.5)
@@OldManRunner My pairs I kept: Size 40.5, Sky (right) 163g Sky (left) 168g Edge (right) 167g Edge (left) 169g. I had two additional pairs, the Sky pair was 166/175 and Edge 169/175. I love these shoes, but I think the tolerance in the production process is too big. Especially my first Sky pair which had 9 grams difference between left and right. And I find it strange I have one Sky shoe now that weights 163g and had that previous one that weighed 175g. 12g difference, there was no visual difference but it must have been more foam in the heavy one. I did not notice any difference when trying them on side by side so I kept the lightest one.
33g is the biggest difference in my pairs of shoes. The Nike Wildhorse 07. Most are within a few grammes...
I picked the Sky Paris, I’ve always picked the Sky over the Edge even though I’m a typical “cadence runner”, I find I prefer shoes with a higher plate setup e.g alphafly and sky over vaporfly and edge.
I think it comes down to I prefer a shoe that helps me extend my stride as I feel more efficient rather than just increasing my cadence which feels like using a bike in too low of a gear I’m just spinning my legs but not getting very far
I really did like the original edge for shorter runs...my lightest carbon plate shoe, just wanted more cushion over the marathon distance
I will be going for the Sky Paris when it is (finally) available in the UK! Have the original Metaspeed Sky. I've heard 27th March for UK launch.
Asics UK tell me they don't know an exact date, but say before the end of the month...
I'm with you, the idea of differentiating through stride development when speeding up seems a bit odd. Some reviewers have differentiated the shoes by "for shuffly runners" - edge and "for springy runners" - sky, makes more sense to me, I reckon the more one loads the forefoot and compresses the foam, the more they would benefit from the plate configuration of the sky.
If I have a high cadence and short stride, then I want a shoe that increases my stride at the same cadence, not one that increases my cadence. Which I think is the confusing bit and the language Asics use. Would be great if some Asics just said Shufflers but these, Springers buy these, but I can't quite se that happening!
At the end of the day they can state why they developed them but like any shoes you need to try them both. Not available in the UK yet for logistics reasons! But when they are I'll be buying both and sending back the ones I like least. Although some people have kept both for different race types.
I agree completely on trying them both. That is probably behind my frustrations because I can't, unless I order both online and send one back. If I hadn't bought four carbon plate shoes this year I probably would have bought both. I did buy both originals and found different use cases that each suited really well.
Agree - it’s about forefoot load/powerful toe off vs rolling through the foot. I think the latter style runners do well with rockers. I don’t like rockers (outside of music).
@@adamfeerst2575 I found all of this so fascinating that I decided to buy the Edge… and do some detailed testing…
I ve first bought the sky. It was ok but not the wow factor i was hoping for, so bought the edge which was less of a natural feeling. I now am getting used more in the sky after a few workouts and think i like it and gonna race a half in them. In a bit of a shoe crisis, love adidas pro but s not as fast as the vaporfly 2 in which i ran most my PBs. They give me sore feet in the end of races even have the evo 1 adidas, but the sizing is way off, bit to small , but very fast. ( no traction in wet conditions though) still not sure (but it s ok for now , to much money spend) i ll keep testing . Thank you for the videos
I ran Boston in the Edge Paris, going to tray a half later in the year in the Sky Paris...never got the chance to try the Evo!...
I ran in the NY 1/2 and both winners wore the Adios Pro 3.
Veey interesting video. I have the original sky, but they are now retired. I chose them based on availability rather than stride vs cadence. For faster runs both my stride and cadence increase, but in ny last narathon it was only my stride that increased as my pace increased. As these shoes are aimed at marathons, maybe I'm a stride/sky runner? And if they ever come out in the UK I'll give them each a go and see how they feel!
Chris, I am going to do some tests to find out how my stride and cadence change at different speeds. And try and figure out if the Sky is actually the correct choice for me based on the data I collect and the Asics logic...I will need a few different shoes and a few different speeds...might do some on the treadmill as well as outside...should keep me busy! Asics say the release is before the end of the month in the UK
I tried both briefly at a demo event and liked Edge Paris more based on the limited experience. Edge Paris is closest to Vaporfly design and with stack height and drop and weight equalized between Sky Paris and Edge Paris, it is basically a preference of how the plate is shaped and placed between the two.
The two shoes are for different types of runners or at least different types of runs. But I don't buy ASICS stride vs cadence argument. I think it might have been a coincidence observation as opposed to root cause and that is why they are having a difficult time explaining. People picked original Sky irrespective of being cadence or stride runners because Edge didn't have the same stack height. It was not seen as a shoe that could comfortably go Marathon distance even for cadence runners.
Another thing that ASICS is spreading marketing BS is that current generation of Edge Paris is actually closer to Original Sky than Sky Paris. Look at the stack height, drop and especially how the plate was in the original Sky. I would argue that Edge Paris re-incarnated the original Sky. Yet, original Sky was for so-called stride runners and Edge Paris is still for cadence? I think that is BS!
I see you are going to get the Edge Paris as well. I am looking forward to your "metricized" comparison of both (and hopefully with your OG Sky/Edge)
I’m going to try and dive into all of this. I have some data on how my stride cadence changes with increased pace. I’m going to try and use that to predict, according to ASICS which shoe I should pick. And then test the shoes to see if what ASICS says is true. I’m not convinced by the stride v cadence argument or the consistency of the message as the different generations of shoe have developed. Will see what the testing data shows. Great shoes overall though…
Great video,thx for sharing,thinking to get the Sky,might be the choice for my first Marathon for Dublin👌👍
Out of interest what's your absolute max mileage/km before you retire a trainer/racer shoe please?
New subscriber here,cheers from Dublin
Welcome! I retire my Carbon Plate shoes at 200km and my non carbon plate shoes at 300km. This is mainly because I want to have the same wear in all of them for making comparisons and to test them when the foam is fresh. I often need to go back to a pair to test and answer comments. Which is why I have been running up and down outside in just now a pair of Sky V1 and Sky Paris to try and answer a question. I also only have a certain amount of miles I can run in a year and I try to distribute them across the shoes I am testing. Some shoes wear more than others and it is usually the midsole that wears on the carbon plate shoes well before the uppers. My guess is you should easily get 400k out of a carbon plate shoe and 600k out of the others.
@@OldManRunner really appreciate the superfast response,my Superblast just hit the 550 km mark,hence I'm asking ,I'd say it's time for them soon.
Keep these videos coming, appreciate it.
Will do! Last year a man from Asics told me there would be a Superblast Paris, might be worth waiting for them, and the original will get discounted...
Fantastic video. Will try Paris Sky then. Did went to the store and they had Paris Edge. Just tried them standing up but noticed that I felt that there was a ball under mid foot (can’t describe other way). So, immediately untied them. (1) Is that something you experience in Paris Sky? Is there a feeling of a ball or some kind of? (2) How would you describe Paris Sky in compare to Mizuno Wave Pro 2 you tried recently? (3) Same as #2, Sky Paris vs Nike AF3? Heard that AF3 gives a noise as you run? Thanks!!!
Rajkumar, I wish I could have tried them on to tell the difference. I don't feel a ball under my foot in the Sky Paris. The Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro 2 is a completely different shoe and makes for a bad comparison. To me they feel like a more firm version of the Vaporfly 3. The Alphafly 3 is noisy as you run...not as bad as previous versions
Lovely tip about VF3 - not tried that yet, so will do that as well. Thanks!!!
I’m going to try and do a test of several shoes for next week or possibly week after. AF3 and VF3 included
“Stride” & “cadence” are measurable, and might be more marketable (debatable). Ultimately, however, I think that’s misleading. As mentioned elsewhere in the comments, I think it’s more about a powerful foot strike/tor off for the Sky, and a rolling style for the Edge. Those are hard to quantify.
I do like that they offer different shoes for different styles. I don’t like, for example, that Hokas are all(?) rockered.
Funnily enough, I like rockered shoes. Will find out which has more rock, Edge Paris/ Sky Paris....
My point is that I like that Asics tries to cater to different runners while Hoka doesn’t. This was in response to your comment that you thought they were going to merge them into one.
The fact that I don’t like rockered shoes is coincidental to this comment. I don’t like mid-shoe bulges, like with the Sky+ and SC Elite. They feel almost like a negative drop, and that I have to work to get up and over the mid
sole.
It's funny. I really hate that negative drop feeling. One thing I really like about Nike is that the Vaporfly and Alphafly are so completely different in their approach to going fast.
I agree with your argument about confusing marketing but here's the thing. That thing got us (certainly myself) to look into the data about my stride, cadence, percentage gains and all and have much discussion going on in the internet, CZcams. This is kind of successful marketing isn't it? Just saying ;) By the way as per data I look to be a stride runner but after I tried them out I trust my feeling and bought the Edge.
No such thing as bad publicity!
Do think either of these trainers are suitable for 10K races or is it only half marathon beyond that you would benefit from wearing these ?
I've ran my last couple of 10K races in Saucony Sinister which are very light in my UK size 9.5 in around 38 minutes.
I think I'd probably favour the Edge Paris - I think these both trainers are due in the UK next week just before Easter.
Great round up - that looks like a super hard 10K in Howth with that hill in the first mile.
Interesting question, and one I asked myself last Monday when I ran a 10k race. In the end I wore Nike Streakfly's and before the start I kept thinking of the various carbon plate shoes I could have run in, and wondering would I be faster in them. The Streakfly is super light and I ran surprisingly well in them, the pace at the end in a sprint was quite surprising, and there is always some trade off balance between the added spring of the plate v the added weight. Having said that I think you would benefit from the Edge Paris, one is arriving here soon and will be doing lots of testing, will try and test these two back to back...
I love running up the Hill of Howth. It is quite a challenge, but feels fantastic when you get it done....
Great video - also, glad I'm not the only one confused 😂 I ended up with Edge. 👌
I am still confused, so bought the Edge to try and make some sense of the two in the coming weeks…
I have the Metaspeed Edge plus and Sky plus. Sky Plus like Alphafly V1 give me bad foot fatigue the days after the run.. Edge Plus no problems.. I do enjoy the Sky Plus much more than the Edge Plus but the foot discomfort the following days is a warning sign. I am not generating enough force for the Sky Plus to work. It's excellent for 5K Threshold but anything longer or slower is great during the run but bad the following days.. 😂. I am worried about that now Both Paris shoes have the same drop 🙄❗
I find the same stack and drop in both shoes intriguing. I like the very different originals. Hence why I think they will morph into one single shoe in the next iteration.
By the way.. I checked and my cadance goes up by 10% and length of my step by 20% but I can't run long distance in a flat plate like the Metaspeed Sky Plus.
I ran Berlin in them and enjoyed them. At some stage I plan to do a marathon in the Sky Paris, not sure which one
Would I be correct in thinking that the Edge has more of a rocker feel?
Don’t know for sure… but am going to find out. Will revert.
All I can do with these is watch other vidoes as they stop at a UK 12 :) That said how is the fit? Best "simple" analogy have seen is that the Edge Paris is more like a Vaporfly and the Sky Paris more like an Alphafly.
The fit is okay except that I think they may have narrowed them slightly in the right forefoot. I like the simple analogy of VF and AF, but without the Edge I can't really say. I have been in and out of one shoe on and one shoe off running, in a variety, a clip of which will be in the initial review that goes live tonight. The Sky Paris feels more firm underfoot than the Vaporfly and Alphafly in just general feel, more testing to follow. Crazy about the size cut off. Randomly I have the AF3 on one foot and the Sky Paris on the other and have exactly the same room forward of my big toe...oddly they are both UK12 / US13, but EU47.5 in the Nike and EU48 in the Asics...
@@OldManRunner ... and 31 cm for the Nike but 30.5 cm for the Asics.
which one is softer on feeling? sky paris or edge paris?
ASICS say the Metaspeed Edge. Will double check
They arent saying those that increase their stride don't increase their cadence too. They are saying they increase their stride at a higher percentage than their cadence. Eg if i run a lot quicker my cadence increases by no more than 10 per cent but my stride can increase by 25 per cent. Cadence runners will increase their cadence by similar percentage to their stride. Due to the plate position the Edge will roll with the stride more and the Sky bounce more. Obviously this isnt a one fits all and other factors will affect this. I dont agree with you that they will merge the lines. This is the 3rd iteration and there are high volumes of customers buying both models for different reasons.
I think the message and the way Asics write is is a bit muddied and muddled. Your explanation is so much better. They used exactly the same arguments in the original Edge v Sky, which had dramatically different weights, stack and heel drop and I could see more logic to the idea. I can't find and sales figures, but the fact that some shops are only selling the Sky + and Sky Paris is interesting. I think the majority of people who buy these two shoes won't know which is which and which is best for them. If they just said, buy these if you want to increase your stride length, or buy these if you want to increase your cadence, it would be much more straightforward. Ideally you could test both in a store. Time will tell if they merge the lines.
@@OldManRunner i agree they could explain better what a cadence runner and stride runner actually is. On the plus models I originally assumed the edge was for those with a naturally high cadence which I have. I didn't like the edge as it had no bounce. I then tried the Sky Plus and it was a completely different experience. Probably due to more stack at the front as much as anything. I will be getting both when they are released in the UK hopefully next week.
John. Thanks for all the information. It would be great to hear how you get on with each of them